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US Officials: ISIS "Likely" Had Bomb On Russian Plane
On Wednesday, IS Sinai released a statement reiterating the contention that the Russian passenger jet which fell out of the sky over the Sinai Peninsula last weekend was “downed” by an act of terrorism. The ISIS “home office” (so to speak) in Raqqa aired a video congratulating their Egyptian “brothers” on the “achievement.”
In the immediate aftermath of the crash, officials attempted to discredit the ISIS video which purported to show the plane exploding in mid-air. While we were quick to note that it’s virtually impossible to verify the video’s authenticity, we also pointed out that if the footage was indeed genuine, someone on the ground knew exactly when to start filming which would certainly seem to suggest that whatever happened to the Russian jet was premeditated.
Whatever one chooses to believe, evidence continues to pile up to support the contention that the plane broke apart in the sky - i.e. that the plane exploded.
For instance, an Egyptian forensics expert noted that the scattering of body parts over an eight kilometer radius seems to prove that there was an explosion of board. Meanwhile the UK on Wednesday suspended flights from Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt after saying that the Russian jet “may well” have been destroyed by an “explosive device.”
That seemed to indicate that Western governments were set to “confirm” ISIS’ contention that a bomb is to blame for the crash.
Now, Western media are reporting that according to US “intelligence”, an ISIS bomb was indeed the cause of the catastrophe that claimed the lives of 224 people last Saturday. Here’s Reuters:
Evidence now suggests that a bomb planted by the Islamic State militant group is the likely cause of last weekend's crash of a Russian airliner over Egypt's Sinai peninsula, U.S. and European security sources said on Wednesday.
Islamic State, which controls swathes of Iraq and Syria and is battling the Egyptian army in the Sinai Peninsula, said again on Wednesday it brought down the airplane, adding it would eventually tell the world how it carried out the attack.
The Airbus A321M crashed on Saturday in the Sinai Peninsula shortly after taking off from the resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on its way to the Russian city of St Petersburg, killing all 224 people on board.
The U.S. and European security sources stressed they had reached no final conclusions about the crash.
And here's more from NBC:
There's significant evidence that a bomb brought down Russia's Metrojet Flight 9268 over the Sinai Peninsula last weekend, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday, saying U.S. investigators are focusing on ISIS operatives or sympathizers as the likely bombers.
Questions have swirled over whether foul play or terrorism may have downed the Metrojet-operated Airbus A321 since it crashed in Egypt on Saturday, killing all 224 people aboard. ISIS's media office in Sinai released an audio message Wednesday reiterating its claim of responsibility. Neither Wednesday's claim nor an earlier one immediately after the crash said how ISIS is supposed to have brought down the plane.
U.S. officials stressed that while they believe it's "likely" that a bomb was on the plane, it's still too early to conclude that for certain. They told NBC News that mechanical failure remains a possibility.
A U.S. official said investigators are looking at the possibility that an explosive device was planted aboard the plane by ground crews, baggage handlers or other ground staff at the Sharm el-Sheikh airport before takeoff. Passengers and the flight crew weren't significantly suspected after intelligence scrub of the passenger manifest and the crew showed no one with suspected ties to any terrorist group, officials said.
Three top officials at the airport, including the head of security, were fired Wednesday after investigators uncovered numerous lax security procedures, officials told NBC News.
So apparently, US officials have more evidence about what happened to this plane than either the Russians or the Egyptians do and Washington is now confident enough to say that ISIS is "likely" responsible.
Needless to say, there are any number of questions that should be asked here, but at least NBC gets one thing right:
A U.S. official told NBC News he expects Russia to retaliate "heavily and militarily" if the theory is borne out.
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Buckle up sparky. It's about to get real for the Saudi/CIA rebels and the incomptent Obama regime:
Goodbye Raqqa – ISIS has Invited Massive Russian Retribution with the Airline Bombing
Russia Prepares for Further US Sanctions as Putin Prepares More Military ActionErr... Tyler quoting not one but TWO well-respected sources of journalism: Reuters and NBC? <snort!>
Didn't the brain trust/experts at CNN or Bloomberg have any spew to use?
Naw, they are just reading the latest scripts issued by the USSA state department, now totally confused since Putin took them off message. The same state department ass clowns that told us that the Russian Military was third rate, and Russia was isolated, blah, blah, blah until Putin showed the world otherwise.
What else could you expect from these losers?
FYI, I once met a state dept. official who in a previous life was a 'Russian' expert, yet could not read or write in Cyrillic .
if this is true it demonstrates that regardless of the name they go by, Putin is fighting and killing the type of scum that blow up civilian airliners.
I hope US "folks" don't impede Putin.
Don't be stupid. Despite the wackoism you read here, the US obviously had nothing to do with creating ISIS. The core of ISIS is just a bunch of ex-Saddam military guys looking for a new gig. We won't be sorry to see them all dead.
If the Russkies are the ones doing the killing, that's no problem. Although it would be a real change of pace. So far the Russians have concentrated on other groups more directly threating their pet dictator, and they have barely scratched ISIS.
If you think all you read here is wackoism why do you come here? Pretty well established ISIS is armed by Western .gov. Picture of McCain with ISIS leaders is photoshop I suppose? People who defend US actions in the formation of ISIS have a lot of blood on their hands
This is for the sheep that stumble upon this site...this is Putin explaining very succinctly who created ISIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d-xbnuvr7c
send every TSA person to russia,,, now!
" Despite the wackoism you read here, the US obviously had nothing to do with creating ISIS. The core of ISIS is just a bunch of ex-Saddam military guys looking for a new gig. We won't be sorry to see them all dead. "
Thank you, Yomutti, or YoYamuke, for confirming my preliminary theories:
-USSA is behind ISIS
-ISIS is not comprised primarily of ex Iraqi Mil types.
-The ISIS assets must be protected until we figure out what to do with them.
As a minium wage stooge repeating his talking points, it saves me the effort of reading the MSM BS, summarizing the core lies the USSA state department wants us to believe.
Still too early to conclude...yeah, but you guys knew it was Bin Laden within what 3 hours of 9/11? But still too early to conclude what we saw with video, forensic evidence, satellite surveillance and god only knows how much more communications intercept technoology.
Gold and silver were smashed to bits with the fake Bin Laden false flag event. Same with the Boston Bombing (2011 and 2013).
2nd russian plane just went down in Sth Sudan: https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29998166/russian-plane-crashes-on-takeoff-fr...
This was poor message from hegemon - stop killing our ISIS assets. But this cowardly action will not stop russia.
The West wants Russia to start bombing in response to the 'supposed' bomb, which the US/UK are certain existed and was placed by ISIS. My guess, they are hoping that Russia does a massive 'shock and awe' with many civilian casualties so he can be accussed of being a mass murderer of poor innocent civilians.
First Law of Putin Club: Putin does not do what the West wants him to do.
"US Officials"
Is all you need to know that this is complete Kerry "Horse" shit.
But, but - how come, Isis never bombed an US passenger plane while the US has been supposedly bombing Isis for more than a year now? But Isis bombs a Russian plane after just 4 short weeks of the Russian air-campaign that - according to other US and Western "officials" and media - so far didn't even target Isis?
Something doesn't add up here, no?
It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced
All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!
http://motivationdose.com/electromagnetic-pulse-attack-emp-blackout-usa-...
Totally worth it if I never have to hear the name Kardashian again outside of obits.
Russia wants Russia to start bombing; file under "girding the loins of the people".
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/10_False_Flag_Operations.html
Need a reason to escalate? We got ya covered.
Latina Lover, yomutti wrote "Despite the wackoism you read here, the US obviously had nothing to do with creating ISIS. The core of ISIS is just a bunch of ex-Saddam military guys looking for a new gig. We won't be sorry to see them all dead."
now, he does have one point: there are quite a few military guys that used to belong to Saddam's military forces in the Islamic State. They were lower to higher officers, they are Sunni Muslims and, more importantly then anything else, they were in Iraq's Ba'ath Party
what is this party? well, it used to be a kind of nationalist pan-Arabic socialist party. wikipedia does a valiant effort to describe it's ideology as
"...mixing Arab nationalist, pan-Arabism, Arab socialist and anti-imperialist interests.
Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state.
Its motto, "Unity, Liberty, Socialism", refers to Arab unity, and freedom from non-Arab control and interference."
now, enter the Iraq War, and the US occupation of Iraq. where the US authorities in Iraq had this highly controversial (I was seriosly questioning the sanity of it) of treating the whole as a new occupation of Germany, where de-nazification was adopted as a general policy
in short, they kicked them out of all state and military jobs for being Ba'athists. and they are now, among others, including fervent believers, in a way less "socialistic" and more religious team, but one that nevertheless strives to control the whole Arabic countries region and... kick out external influences
this leads me to the questions: did the US ever need to "set up ISIS"? did the US ever need to fund ISIS, when there are enough super-rich funders in the region?
my answer is: not directly. and so I doubt that it's as simple as you claim.
yes, there is damning evidence is cash "getting lost" and weapons lying around
even more damning is dropping weapons with the "hope the right guys pick it up"
but direct ties to ISIS? what for? if the goal is destabilization, then direct ties are liabilities, completely unnecessary liabilities
Wait a minute. Saddam's army was comprised of multiple religious groups & served a secular state. Also Assad is a Baathist so why would ex-Iraqi Baathists want him gone in favour of Salafist Jihadists (who Saddam also hated)??
yes, Ba'athism is secular. And Ba'athism used to be on the very (Arab unity) flag of Iraq, as on Syria's and Egypt's, with the differentiation of a falcon, two stars and three stars
the main goal of Ba'athism was always dual: for Arab Unity and against external influences (with secularism and socialism thrown in as counter to extreme religiousness)
from that point of view, lots of groups to fight, internally and externally
a fascist might want to gain control over the planet and still fight the communist that wants to gain control over the planet
I too don't believe the US /needed/ to set up or fund ISIS.
However I honestly believe that those who are gaining from them /wanted/ to. I think it would be quite enlightening to find out just who is showing up at these ISIS 'auctions' where they sell oil, women and children, and just who they represent.
Someone, or a group of someones, is buying a whole lot of human misery right now. It is hard to believe that doing so wasn't the goal all along.
+1 if it wasn't the goal, they are yet nevertheless "buying a whole lot of human misery" and adding some to it
Since ZH is quoting bastions of US journalism (bwahahaha), for fair and balanced, here is a view from the other side of the spectrum...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/03/exclusive-breaking-story-bombing...
Americans trust banks more than they do newspapers and television news. How fucking pathetic is that?
A third of the nation cannot read your comments, or the following words:
http://eserver.org/courses/spring97/76100o/readings/kozol.html
I believe the above statistic is understated.
the one thing that the U.S., China, Eurozone, and Russia can agree on
mulsims...
islamic terrorism, muslim refugees, even oil prices... most of the major problems that these countries face can be traced back to muslims
Right because Muslims wield such disproportianate influence, especially outside the ME in the developed world. Holy fuck that's ignorant. It's the elite that are causing the problems and you'd have to be ignorant, stupid and/or a shill to believe otherwise.
lol so gullible
There's another semitic group behind that one, which actually is pulling the strings.
Oy vey.
That certainly seems to be the talking point for you guys today. You're the second newbie I've read on the Hedge in 24 hrs saying exactly that. Sorta like when Newsweek, Time, and the Economist have interchangeable articles, all apparently written by different people, all saying exactly the same thing in identical phrases.
It's not so much wackoism on this website as an abiding hatred of the U.S. Seems some people don't understand Obama may indeed be an absolute socialist idiot but that doesn't necessarily make the Russians and Chinese all geniuses. Oh well. It will be a new set of "idiots" for them to hate on after the next election.
P.S. If ISIS bombed that plane full of innocent Russians I hope Putin goes medevial on the bastards.
Putin isn't an idiot.
As much as he will have all those responsible held accountable in the field to which their peers will be aware of their punishment he will also not be foolish enough to feed the NWO trolls and their need to ever expand a 'crusade of chaos' against ISIS and further destabilize Egypt as the psycho-elite would desire.
He will hold Egypt politically and logistically accountable so that they may get their house in order and evict the parasites that threaten peace and stability.
He is a practitioner of Judo after all...
Revenge is a dish best served cold and it gets VERY cold in Russia.
"psycho-elite"...thanks for that. still searching for the perfect phrase. the corporate control over words and meanings must be fought tooth and nail
Richsob, it's not a hatred of the US, but of the criminal bankster cabal in control of our government and financial systems. Most americans may be dumb, but are generally decent human beings who just want a fair chance at making an honest living.
"not a hatred of the US, but of the criminal bankster cabal in control of our government and financial systems"
that's a question of... sophistication. needs some... the military word for it is... intelligence. in the sense of having some knowledge of facts, verifyible facts
you might be correct or not with your "Most americans may be dumb", but the rest of the world has it's "I don't care about all this complexity" legions, too
and so hatred of the US, pure, blinding and without discernment of which elites are culpable for what... exists, and is growing
as hatred of various european countries, and hatred of Russia, and yes, hatred of China, too. and of course religions. Hatred of Jews, hatred of Christians, hatred of Muslims
plenty of simple hatred growing. most people on this planet are "generally decent human beings who just want a fair chance at making an honest living"
meanwhile, most people belong to the "I don't care about all this complexity" group
And also VERY cold in China. (Well they bought up most of the industrial parks in the US, so it seems like you guys will be forced to work for a porringer of rice as payback).
You apologists are quiet funny. Dont criticize my empire of chaos for its recklessness and crimes because if you do you hate US and beimg called as unpatriotic. Get a fcuking brain snob.
don't be stupid, here you are known from which hands you gulp your dog food ...
A CIA creation when the CIA minders have lost control.
You think they've lost control?
The US-First CIA minders probably think so. The Israel-First CIA minders will do all they can to encourage it.
Kermit Roosevelt, in his book Countercoup describing the events leading to the overthrow of Mossadegh and the placemnt of the US-friendly Shah of Iran, admits the CIA has Israel-Firsters even then. Two brothers, with very good spy craft, form an invaluable part of tthat regime change. They we not a US-trained asset, nor were they UK-trained as the twwo has a process of information exchange to avoid the possibility of an agent working both sides. Obviously they were not Soviet given their key part in the anti-Soviet program. They we also given clearance to operate within a CIA program in spite of their refusal to reveal their background and source of training. AN interesting story there.
Ahh. So that's why Obama insists on calling it ISIL. They gave the game away when thay mistakenly called it ISIS.
JIDF troll alert
Haaretz has an intriguing article called 'The Cult of ISIS' It dates from 2002, so that sounds too intriguing to ignore.
It turns out that ISIS actually means Israel Secret Intelligence Service. They must be so proud their protoge is known by the same name.
"Efraim Halevy, the head of the Mossad, Israel's espionage agency, or as he is usually introduced in English, the chief of the ISIS (Israel secret intelligence service)."
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/the-cult-of-isis-1.41131
Haha, yeah. And this one too:
International Security Information Service Europe (ISIS)
Rue Archimède 50
B-1000 Brussels
Belgium
They love the hidden in plain sight aspect of it.
A CIA creation when the CIA minders have lost control.
Yomutti, so if Russia isn't even bombing ISIS - why the hell would ISIS start destroying Russian planes?
Clearly they wouldn't - so you can rule ISIS out as a suspect based on what you've just said.
It must be someone associated with the FSA - Free Syrian Army - the ones actually being killed by Russia. ISIS are being advantaged according to your narrative, the last thing they'd do is make themselves a target for Russia when Russia is doing them a huge favour!
" So far the Russians have concentrated on other groups more directly threating their pet dictator, and they have barely scratched ISIS."
Why don't you just be done with it, and go watch ASS till the cows come home ..
https://youtu.be/iE5aKNAcU2I
If and when you do come back to your senses, watch these ..
https://youtu.be/jE2_qmlKFVU
https://youtu.be/LUYy2AJwb1s
And after those you still don't get it, just please, please, please shoot yourself in the head for humanity's sake. We do need to clean out the gene pool ..
Oh, we "had nothing to do with creating" al Qaeda either ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/22/fraud-on-the-u-s-supreme-court-b...
Great catch latina! I was in Moscow in 1982, and met an MI6 british ass clown. He could neither read nor write Russian, nor did he even understand how the modern Soviet State was formed. He was "one of the boys" given a high power job because of his family. He was our resident MI6 agent who traveled with our small British tour group to the USSR. It was well known that every Soviet foreign Intouritst trour group to the USSR from Britain had 1 MI6 and 1 CIA. We all learned the MI6 guy when we got him roaring drunk in Lenningrad, and he couldn't keep up the game. I know who the CIA guy was, because only 3 Americans were present, I knew the other one, so that left the third American, but he kept his mouth shut, but was obvious in the extreme.
These little snitches worked as spies on all toursits to the USSR.
just as I suspected
you got more than a casual relationship with the Rooskies
fits the propaganda at this site perfectly
Russia is deep into terror agitation
And you guys are very naive about it
Thanks JB, for your kind words. Back in the day, I was rabidly anti russian, until I figured out who our real enemies are.
As for dsty, I suggest you grow a pair and help get rid of your Ukie/USSA occupation government, before they totally destroy whats left of your banderstan Ukraine.
Hope you read this Latina. I simply was a young guy just out of the service and I wanted to see who I had been trained to fight. So I booked a 2 week tour to the USSR leaving out of London Heathrow. The group was 14 people, 3 Americans, 2 from OZ and rest UK. All ordinary blokes! A UK guy I befriended told me that an MI6 agent was with us, he knew because he himself work in the UK civil service. So we did get the hammered and he just admitted it.
As for this getting the patriots around here all worked up. We were toursists, and we just traveled where the tour took us. We had a great time, I met a girl from OZ, and we shacked up for the next three years!
Every day the USSR tour guides gave us a lecture on Communist benefits. Honestly, we laughed out loud at these little talks. Poor girl had to lecture us while we snickered in the back!
What disgusts me is the snide little pricks around here who have never gone anywhere, and just can't stand that we have.
Thnx for showing your ignorance schmuck
"Russia is deep into terror agitation"
the correct technical term is: agitprop, i.e. agitatory propaganda. In defense of Moscow, they aren't doing that more then some others. But yes, Moscow has it's agitatory propaganda machine. no, I don't see a terror machine as in the old times. don't accuse Moscow of terror without evidence
so, again, yes, Moscow has it's agitprop
we have seen some of it in the debate that surfaced about Germany and how it should cut it's ties versus some european countries and tie stronger ones versus Russia
as a rule, empires, particularly when driven by warmongers and weapon expenders, do like the old "divide et impera"
Russia is behaving like an empire, and is using this kind of tactics. As some others, too (I just wish they would all stop, but that's just a wish)
from a point of view of techniques, some modern agitprop resembles strongly the old Soviet ones
from a point of view of Europe, the most startling thing was when the Soviet agitprop stopped... and there was a pause, before the new Russian agitprop started
for someone that spent a lot of time being something like a last-tier "Cold Warrior" and declared enemy of Communism like me, it was... very strange
suddently, many groups that looked like they were doing things at least in part out of conviction, like the terrorist "Rote Brigaden" in Germany, bombing, assassinating and threatening the "liberal capitalistic elites that are the reactionary forces against communism"... just stopped existing
which leads to the question how much of it was ever "homegrown", and how much of it did only exist because it was funded by a Kremlin run by Communists
the new Russian agit-prop in Europe is a different breed, though. it is, after all, a completely different Russia that is emanating it
but it has it's quite clear goals. one of them is to question NATO, as before (with more reasons, but relatively so). part of the drive to question ties with the US
the other is to question the EU. specifically, ties between Germany, France, Italy and the UK
some issues that muddle the signal are of course the relationship of Moscow with the "Old Guard of The Left". Note, for example, the old ties with historically strongly leftist parties in Europe. others are the old ties with the Balkans, for example Serbia
Of course in this extremely polarized atmosphere, some might come out and say: "Ghordius, you are just smearing Russia"
to which I answer: yeah, sure. I wish it was as simple as that. I wish it was as simple as in the Cold War
folks, we entered More Complicated Times. adjust your mental models, if you can. black and white does not suffice. it never did
From my point of view, simple insanity is the force that drives history. When you allow people to gain vast amounts of money or power, about 80% of them simply go nuts. There is no "ideology" involved. That's just the camouflage the psyco-elites use to confuse the public. I call it opulopathy. G. W. Bush and Obama make it obvious. Putin seems rather resistant. It has nothing to do with hating this or that. We have insane "leaders", and it's simple and obvious.
Stupid asses blew off two flash bangs at a State Dept building in Va. 3 rd floor. Trashed the whole building when the sprinklers went off.
You saw that in the news, right?
Fucking assclowns. Hillary, now Kerry in charge. What more do you need?
Hillary, " they were not marked classified". Ignorant twit. The arrogance to use that for an excuse. Don't these fuckers ever die anymore? Christ, 30-40 years of these bags is too much.
At least Bawny Fwank did us a favor and retired.
the bush obama sixteen years are the worst leadership in this country's history.
arguably clinton makes it twenty-four.
yet historians still point to those men before lincoln that paled at the prospect of civil war.
they were statesmen of high quality compared to these criminals.
The foreign Central Bank cartel has historically demonstrated its notoriously obvious PUNCTUATION of its displeasure with ANY American Presidential Executive that doesn't deliver the expected 'sub-par performance'.
Take it back another 12 to the 1981 Coup when they shot Reagan and gave us 12 years of Pappy Bush. Heck let's go back to 1963...1913? The reconstruction? You can go back to Uruk and Ur and the song and dance is roughly the same. The only real difference is technology, the "education" of non-elites and the emergence of propaganda. But if you want to talk about recent shit streaks for the presidency you gotta go back to JFK getting offed. It was all down hill from there. Eisenhower and JFK the last decent presidents.
LL - "FYI, I once met a state dept. official who in a previous life was a 'Russian' expert, yet could not read or write in Cyrillic ."
At a beach on Phuket, I once met a State Department official who was responsible for tracking the Muslim revolt in the deep south of the country. He checked into a neighboring bungalo. I asked how many times he had been down there? "Never." He replied. So I asked how close have you gotten? How far South have you gone? This trip, to Phuket was as close as he ever got!! I cranked up some Egyptian music I had during the night which scared him off as he checked out the next morning.
"The same state department ass clowns that told us that the Russian Military was third rate"
Wasn't Russia supposed to run out of money by now and go home?
Where they'll find nobody since Russian don't have babies anymore.
And IF you see mushroom clouds, don't forget all your dumbshit friends on Facebook who still think Obama is doing a "pretty okay job" and that Hillary or Jeb is better than anyone else.
Won't be nukes; see articles above as they will probably use Tu-160's to drop FOAB's (Thermobaric Vacuum Bombs).
I think Billy is referring to the consequences if the bombing turns out to really have been carried out by ISIS AND it turns out that the CIA is ISIS (as in, provable to the entire world). Not talking Raqqa. Talking NYC/DC.
no no no. way to high risk for questionable reward.
if putin is paying attention, and i think he is, he knows how thin is the support for this government and the one before.
it would seem the u.s. is helping dethrone itself about as fast as one could hope. to a martial arts master using the u.s.'s own momentum and excess against it should not be extremely difficult.
This^
I read this really interesting book called "The Secret History of the World" about Secret Societies and their secret "Eternal Doctrine". Among the many interesting things proposed in the book published in 2007 is that Russia will become the new world power. Fascinating if that came true.
If you sit by the river long enough, you will see your enemies' bodies float by.
-Sun Tsu
Sun Tsu never said anything of the sort ! But it is funny. It might be more appropriate on the ZH forum to say that if you wait long enough everyone's body will float by.
And don't send your kids off to a foreign land to die for the scumbags.
"So apparently, US officials have more evidence about what happened to this plane than either the Russians or the Egyptians do and Washington is now confident enough to say that ISIS is "likely" responsible. "
If the USSA claims ISIS is responsible, then they must be innocent. This is not to say that ISIS wouldn't do it, just that they didn't. Perhaps Amerika has decided to sacrifice their head choppers, changing tactics.
Well suppose the CIA/Mossad did the bombing. SInce the CIA/Mossad are practically ISIS anyway... Still, better to pin in on the beards than take one to the chin.
Yes, Russia announces it has proof of bomb onboard the flight, and claims all of Egyptian security are either Saudi or Israeli agents.
Mordor immediatly produces statements from the usual 'unnamed sources' that "Yep, we got it. Our electronic intercepts show it was a bomb planted by----?"
Sounds like backpedaling to me. Did .gov get caught on this on? If not, then what's the .gov motive? Just to piss Putin off? This sure won't intimidate the Russian people, as the breathless rackasaurous BBC newsreader hopefully gushed a few minutes ago.
this shit's really confusing...
BINGO: An Israeli security firm DID handle security where this plane took off, and most likely they planted the bomb if it was a bomb.
Today Russian sources from their Intelligence leaked the fact that Egypt does not have a security service. Every Egyptian security officer works either for Saudi Arabia or for Israel. According to Russian Intelligence. So Putin knows Saudi Arabi or Mossad are in on this. ISIS has no connections to Saudi Security, but Saudi and Israel own them all.
not doubting you, but, link?
J.B. has a history of being well informed so perhaps his source is not VT, however, this is what G. Duff submitted http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/03/exclusive-breaking-story-bombing...
Correct. I read VT sometimes when others link to it, but NO, I do not get any information from VT, they just are too crazy to quote.
Ah yes, you know well Russian intelligence sorces don't you.
Chupa, JB, if it was known by the Russians, that the Israelis and Saudis ran Egyptian security at the airport, then what's that say about them?
If heads must roll, then they'd better clean house first.
That is a good catch Kirk! I agree with you totally. If you know Russia, you know they are world famous for lax security, and for just not communicating or acting in their best security interests. Indeed: It says just what you think about Russian security.
Look at the level of Terror carried out on Russian soil, it is an awful record for Russian FSB.
I encourage using Google. This is how I check on information people post. On Twitter I nailed a guy dead by doing a Google search on a quote by him about MH-17 and US intelligence. He made a claim on US intelligence releases about MH-17, just by using Google, I was able to come back in minutes and prove him wrong, and gave him the link to search. He never came back, just went away, because it was easy to prov ehim wrong. If you guys don't trust what I write, just google, and if I am wrong, I will admit it. Unlike some other blowhards around here, If I am wrong, I'll correct myself.
ISIS jus poked the bear in a way they don't realize.
ISIS about to get it Medieval Style.
There won't be a warning.
Yep,Putin and his boys will kick some serious ass unlike we did to ourselves for over 10 years. If it was a bomb the residue will be obvious and the Russians already know it. So we shall see what happens. I would not want to be an ISIS idiot right about now about to get incinerated ? prisoners and survivors, whats that ? I hope it helps these guys and gals and it likely will. What a fucking mess we created.
http://www.downtoearththinking.com/the-lions-of-rojava.html
And the guilty will skate. ISIS the brand did this. ISIS the actual beards on the ground had nothing to do with this.
Huh?
CIA/Mossad
"Yes, the USG-err, uhh, I mean, ISIS must have planted a bomb on the Russkie airliner! Back to you, Coop."
There is a quote " Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth"
How many digital videos of passenger jet explosions do you see available which would have embedded properties within to verify date time location (if GPS enabled) camera type serial number lens type and other handy things - Nil - and at 31.000 ft a video camera would need very high digital zoom capabilities and be on a tripod ahead of zero hour under the known flight path. The vision is authentic.
If then authentic the flight path was known and time of trigger-point known. Cue stored satellite images of the area.
All of this is traceable.
Other options discounted - Missile - to High and no vapor trail connecting it with ground
Air to air missile - again no vapour trail
Mid air breakup - This is a passenger Jet and one they don't just disintegrate in seconds plus they have strict survey and maintenance checks to maintain air worthiness. - cue black box and study of air frame for explosive residue.
The truth lack of western press outrage for the human cargo is frankly deafening and somewhat puzzling compared to the Ukrainian passenger downing do you not think.
Retribution will be vicious, deadly, planned and Russian efficient.(think of a sledge hammer on a peanut) If you had anything to do with this your already dead.
If you think Russia doesn't have the capability of the Mossad MI5 or CIA to pin point the human garbage who did this, you have been asleep in a dream. But they will take their time painfully removing every root, branch and smallest piece of human DNA found that was associated with crime. You just won't see it on TV
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the quotation is from, imo, the most famous fictional character of all time (romeo was a real person and it's nip and tuck at that): arthur conan doyle's sherlock holmes.
for a lovely reinvention and use of your quotation, please see: http://rense.com/general70/sherlock.htm
Bingo, Mentalius.
You're missing one possibility, the Russians themselves planted the bomb. It surely wouldn't be the first time they sacrificed their own people to achieve a goal.
Very good - let's hope it happens that way, that evil people who devise these wicked schemes will be the recipients of Putin and the Russians rightful retribution. I hope it is something that makes Obama and people in high places literally piss their pants.
Which twitter hash tags did they use for evidence?
"I love the smell of boomerrang in the morning"
Former KGB agent Putin knows the score, that Mossad agents recruited Egyptian airport workers to put Semtex explosives within a food cart that was brought on board the Metrojet. Those Egyptians are already dead, paid in full by Netanyahu. If Obummer was deranged enough to be part of this conspiracy, all hell will break loose.
Russia headed for Afghanistan 2.0...
Deepest sympathy to the families of the victims of this.
Only on this website could you say "deepest sympathy" to the Russian people who are suffering from this terrible act and get down voted severely because you say they are headed into a conflict that may not end up well for them. This site is overrun with dickless, contemptuous Americans who live in their mom's basement.
Many brainless as well
Deepest sympathy to your family for endurance of shame upon them you bring.
At least I dont live in their basement.
Agree. You better care receive living in ward sanitarium.
Boris, is that you?
i want to know why dickless, contemptuous Americans who live in their mom's basement and paid kremlin propagandists are mutually exclusive.
not that i get paid or live in a basement (florida; no basements).
haha no Boris is funnier (and smarter) than this guy, but you're right, the insult "What is the State Department limit on the payment of your farts?" CANNOT have started life in english without a serious head injury
I congratulate you for your excellent retorts! I always enjoy when you insult the mossad trolls!!
The mossad trolls are beyond insult.
There's a whole lot less places to hide in a flat desert than in the cracks and crevices of Afghanistan.
There's a whole lot less places to hide in a flat desert than in the cracks and crevices of Hillary's face.
Bomb It!
No, .gov headchopper mercenaries headed for Hell!
FIFY
Low yield nuclear unit aboard cruise missile fired from invulnerable positions in south Caspian Sea to ISIS stronghold.
Message to Muslims: you get the "atomic Treblinka model"
Message to West: "we can do the same to your $20 billion carriers, a la Billy Mitchell"
Message to financial markets: the 'Petrodollar Imperium' is O_V_E_R
It would send the correct message with a high yield, right over the qabbah in Mecca
that seems needlessly provocative.
You're using the big words again.
Couldn't we just do Riyadh, Langly, Tel Aviv and Doha?
The next Hajj is when?
Look, if your going to go nuclear, get as many gathered in one spot as you can... limits the fallout.
"heavily and militarily"
That's going to leave a mark.
True-- a "skid mark" in the pants of the ISIS guy seeing Russian missles coming his way
The Russians will probably just retaliate, no announcments.
Excactly, they are in no hurry either.....but it's coming as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow.
Yes, agree, but the question remains, who does this serve. Russia going after the USA backed headchoppers doesn't seem to help Mordor's position, does it?
What if you want the US and Russia to destroy each other, and Europe and most of the Middle East too?
Thanks fir saying what I've been thinking.
I thougjt posting it was a kittke out there even for fight club.
But its the only motive I can see.
Those who own the USA, Saudi Arabia and Israel all reside in London.
Who benefits most by having German and Russian relations soured over Ukraine? Who benefits most by having a destabilised Euro? Who benefits most by having the US and Russia destroy each other?
This was the " tell " for me;
News reports said Russia was not commenting because Egypt is doing the investigation, and , Russia's words, " against the law for Russia to comment ".
Yeah, right.
Against the law! The Bear is loading up as we speak.
Cue tactical nukes and/or a massive volley of FOAB's. Raqqa's residents about to meet their 72 virgins.
Saudi Arabia might finally get a dose too. Those pricks have been involved if not behind all this shit going back to 9/11.
Do you really think the Saudis are behind this? Those people cannot even pump their own oil out of the ground. This operation was fairly sophisticated and "evaded" the vaunted intelligence gathering of the west. Who could pull that off within an organization like ISIS? Oh right, the CIA/Mossad.
The Saudis are nothing more than dogs that bark on command.
I said involved...most likely Saudi agents collaborating with local extremists at Sharm El-Sheik got that bomb on the plane. Of course the top of the pyramid (enablers) points to the Tel Aviv / DC axis of evil. But Russia will find other ways to retaliate with them. Me thinks Hezbollah will be getting some pretty sophisticated weaponry soon.
"Sir, AF1 just vanished from the radar!!"
"OMG, Lieutenant! He was taking the AIPAC leaders and Congressional AIPAC members on a golf outing!"
This business will get out of control! It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!
More famous movie quotes? Hunt for red october?
Senator Thompson quote.
Edit: I had no idea he died on Sunday.
U.S. Officials should know what thier puppet ISIS is "likely" doing
Given the CIA involvement in giving these terrorists weapons - I would not be shocked if the bomb was something we gave them ...
Or just planted for them. There is no real reason to think ISIS did this. Even they don't seem to be able to explain how they did it.
I would be shocked if it turned out we did NOT give it to them!
It's easy for ISIS to plant the C4 in the cargo or drinks cart (probably the latter, as the drinks cart comes out as soon as they reach cruising altitude), if Airport Security was compromised. The trajectory and timing can then be determined, with this info provided by their Sponsors.
Given that the Russian-looking Chechens could've passed for Ground Crew, this does not come as a big surprise. This also gives their Sponsors the required Plausible Deniability for their involvement.
To me the bigger shocker is that Russia does not have its own Security Detail at MENA airports, or where they might be vulnerable. BYO sniffer dogs (low tech) and high tech tools, which should include pre-vetting of all personnel who get near their planes, fuel, food, drinks, cargo, souvenirs or people.
Just vetted "moderate" terrorists carrying out training imparted by trainers on advisement of advisers.
Be a good idea to get our " boots" off the fucking ground.
They forgot to mention 'US Financed ISIS Bomb!'
Or Saudi, or Israeli, or Qatari.....
Same deal!
I wonder if Russia is quick to point out this is NOT terrorism.
It was a spontaneous gathering of islamic mechanics who were outraged about a YouTube video ...
Putin: "What difference does it make ????"
No, because unlike the Obama Administration and their idiot sheeple, the Russians have no problem calling a spade a spade. Interesting that the US government engages in far more Double-Speak than the Ruskies.
Do not confuse Russians for Soviets. Big difference.
True.
Russian dress better now than the Soviets did.
As I surmised in my previous posts, in other Metrojet threads...sabotage was carried out, planted by a "Western" asset (at the airport).
If indeed so...watch Putin raise hell in Sinai.
Again...we're talkin 36,000ft...you can't fit a SAM in the back of a Toyota p-up...lol.