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Ceasefire Is Over: Kurds Call Time After Erdogan Engineers Election Victory
In the wake of Turkey’s “elections” held a few days back, the question was how the market would ultimately view the results of the country’s trip to the ballot box.
Make no mistake, this was to certain extent a complete farce. That is, as soon as it became apparent that elections held in June yielded results that did not support President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s bid to alter the constitution on the way to consolidating his power, it was clear that Ankara would undercut the coalition building process on the way to calling for snap elections.
In short, Erdogan wanted a mulligan and in order to boost the odds that new elections would yield the outcome he wanted (i.e. more support for AKP and less support for HDP), he engineered a NATO sponsored civil war with the PKK in order to scare voters into backing away from their support for the Kurds.
What the market wants, of course, is stability, which is why the lira rallied hard in the immediate aftermath of Sunday’s elections. But in reality, this was a lose-lose for Ankara. Either AKP won back its majority at the expense of democracy or the opposition once again put up a strong showing, validating the democratic process but prompting a renewed crackdown from the regime. In other words, there will likely be instability either way.
Well, now that Erdogan has won, the PKK has called off a pre-election cease fire. Here’s Reuters with more:
Kurdish militants scrapped a month-old ceasefire in Turkey on Thursday, a day after President Tayyip Erdogan vowed to "liquidate" them, dashing hopes of any let-up in violence in the wake of a national election.
The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) militant group said the ruling AK Party, which won back its parliamentary majority in Sunday's election, had shown it was on a war footing with attacks launched this week.
"The unilateral halt to hostilities has come to an end with the AKP's war policy and the latest attacks," it said in a statement carried by the Firat news agency, which is close to the militant group, based in the mountains of northern Iraq.
Erdogan, who oversaw a peace process with the PKK that collapsed in July, vowed on Wednesday to continue battling the group until every last fighter was "liquidated".
Yes, Erdogan is going to fight the Kurds until Ankara “liquidates every last fighter” which means the country’s civil war is going to continue unabated. That portends further danger for civilians. Make no mistake, Erdogan’s most powerful weapon over the past six or so months has been fear and the PKK has variously accused Ankara of effectively terrorizing their own people in order to strengthen the position of the regime.
Well now, in the wake of what many view as rigged elections, the PKK has called an end to the cease fire. Here’s Reuters with more:
Kurdish militants scrapped a month-old ceasefire in Turkey on Thursday, a day after President Tayyip Erdogan vowed to "liquidate" them, dashing hopes of any let-up in violence in the wake of a national election.
The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) militant group said the ruling AK Party, which won back its parliamentary majority in Sunday's election, had shown it was on a war footing with attacks launched this week.
"The unilateral halt to hostilities has come to an end with the AKP's war policy and the latest attacks," it said in a statement carried by the Firat news agency, which is close to the militant group, based in the mountains of northern Iraq.
Erdogan, who oversaw a peace process with the PKK that collapsed in July, vowed on Wednesday to continue battling the group until every last fighter was "liquidated".
The PKK's latest declaration, on top of the renewed surge in violence, was a fresh source of concern for foreign investors who broadly viewed Sunday's election as offering the potential for increased stability in NATO-member Turkey.
However, generally weaker Turkish financial markets showed little immediate reaction to the PKK move.
The PKK - designated a terrorist group by Turkey, the United States and the European Union - declared the ceasefire on Oct. 10, saying it wanted to avoid violence that might prevent a fair election. The government dismissed it as an electoral tactic.
Right, an "electoral tactic," much like starting a civil war in an effort to frighten the electorate into "voting" for a dictator.
As we've documetned extensively, the interesting thing to note here is that this comes as Washington is set to, i) embed spec ops with the PKK-affiliated YPG in Syria and, ii) fly missions from a Turkish airbase to support that effort.
So the question is this: if the PKK steps up its attacks on the Erdogan regime, how will Ankara reconcile that with Washington's move to place ground troops with the group's Syrian sister organization and what will that mean for two air forces that are flying from the same base at Incirlik?
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The United States and Israël begin the colonisation of Northern Syria
'The colonisation of Northern Syria is an old Israeli project linked to the development of missile weaponry. It calls for the creation of an independent state in the north of the country in order to control Syria from behind, just as Israel had created the state of Southern Sudan in 2011, to control Egypt from behind. This Israeli project was taken up again by France and gave rise, in 2011, to a secret treaty signed by Alain Juppé and Ahmet Davutoglu. Turkey agreed that this new state would be governed by the Kurdish minority and that Ankara would be allowed to expel the PKK there, thus affirming Turkish supremacy in their own country. In September 2013, the Pentagon published a new map of the division of the region designed by Robin Wright. This map included the creation of Daesh’s Islamic Emirate and the creation of a new « Kurdistan » in the Arab territories of Syria.' ...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189161.html
cf. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-10/carpe-chaos-isis-israel-iraq-sy...
The US Intervention In Syria Was Planned Since 2012
There's more to the ' Turkish Problem ' than both your linked Voltaire article and the posted comments above by a ' Tyler ' i.e. Montreux Convention and Russian passage
Pipelinestan Fundamentalism Must Be Stopped!
only with significant bloodshed
Interesting history (credit Quora blog):
"The Kurds were basically sold out by the Sykes-Picot agreement between the UK and France. T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) timeframe. Another factor which contributed to the Kurds' failure to secure a state was the discovery of oil near Kirkuk. You need to keep in mind that just before this, in 1905, Winston Churchill, then First Sea Lord, moved the Royal Navy from coal to oil, and the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, which later became BP, was established. Britain was more interested in stability in the regions where it got oil than the rights of the Kurds."
Got a link to the Pentagon map, preferably original source?
ALL wars are about resouces:
Huge oil discovery in Golan Heights - Israeli mediahttps://www.rt.com/business/317906-oil-golan-heights-israel/
This shit was cooking a LONG time ago.
Erdoghan describes the Islamic Fundamentalists fighting in Syria as his 'brethen', so it's obvious even to a six year old that the Kurds dont fit in and will need to fight for their existance or they will go the way of the Armenian genocide.
No Erdoghan, No ISIS/ISIL. Turkey has always been the base camp of ISIS.
"Turkey’s President Gets His Majority – at a Terrible Price"
To reverse his fortune at the polls, Erdogan reignited Turkey’s war with the Kurds, stood silent while mobs attacked his opponents, and unilaterally altered the constitutional role of his office
http://original.antiwar.com/hallinan/2015/11/04/turkeys-president-gets-his-majority-at-a-terrible-price/
I see that voting doesnt changes things. Im gonna vote harder next time
Ataturk is rolling over in his grave
Attaboy!
Atta terrible price.
Working as intended, as chaos and cluster fuck is what US wanted to achieve in a first place...
Yes, Neochrome chaos and cluster-fuck all over the M-E is a taster of the same to come in their own backyard and in their vassal EuroPeon States.
Am not so sure the US intended this though; more likely a handful of NeoCon-Wahabi-Zionist-Bankster-ErDOGan Types.
Kurds will be welcomed into the Russian/Shia fold with open arms in order to bleed NATO through Turkey. Flashpoints of next world war are Turkey and Saudi Arabia, as Saudi Arabia is soon to be overrun by Shia carrying Russian weapons.
Turkey...how did this nation get into NATO? From the Armenian genocide all the way through today where they actively support Islamic State, engage in "regime change," on governments they don't like currently, and export Turks throughout the EU in a new attempt to colonize "infidel," lands--this Yip-Yip Erdogan fellow really is a piece of work.
The US/House of Saud/Israel/Turkey Axis of Evil really is going into overdrive in destabilizing the world.
...how did this nation get into NATO?
I ask that question all the time. their brutal crimes against humanity (whether it was 100 years ago, during the Armenia genocide or more recent through their support for ISS) is beyond belief. this is not a Christina (Armenian) vs Islamic (Turk) thing...there are many wonderful muslims in the world. in fact, some survivers of the Armenia Genocide were protected by muslims and given safe passage. but Turks are equal opportunity killer: Christian, Muslim (most of ISS targets have been other muslims), yezdies, etc.
the question to ask is...when and how will Turkey be thrown out of NATO? they've made nothing but enemies all around them for over 100 years...from Armenians, Kurds, Syrians, Iranians (to some extent) and more recently Israel, Russia and US (by playing "no access to your bases, unless you do what we want"). they, as a nation and member of NATO, have long past their experiation date.
How'd they get in? We needed missle bases at the USSR's front door. Easy. Joined in '52, just as the cold war was really starting to heat up and we needed to keep Russia out of joining China in the Korean conflict. What better way than to place missles basically across the border?
from the Soviet perspective, the missiles stationed in Turkey were a reason to station missiles in Cuba as reaction, and this part ought to be more familiar
double post - my bad
So HyeM, you think NATO will still be around for all of this?
I tell you how we got into NATO. We lost the world wars along with germany, so we lost our sovereignty. US, de-facto invaded all the countries that is no longer independent with "NATO". So you dont choose to get in to NATO, NATO choose you. And if you can not see, NATO is the cover-up of US trying to control the whole middle-east, euroasia.. there is not much i can say.
About the ISIS, show me a single hard proof that turkey supports ISIS. The truth is US, feeding ISIS using their airbase located in Turkey. So basically, we are invaded by US, who terrorize our neighbours, creating terrorist groups by using their military bases and Turkey is to blame ?
I knew you knew how to spell cluster-fuck!
So happy together! Lah la la lah lah lah lah la lah lah, you're on my mind...
Kurds have long been a CIA favorite. In Iraq, Kurds formed the backbone of pro USA forces in that country. Kurds have a bone to pick with Iran, and that is just what the CIA feeds off of. But Turkey is the main Kurdish population center, and Turkey wants to hold every last inch of that land and the Kurds on it. Syria is another place where the Kurds live and CIA wants to use them to attack Assad. So YES, how complicated do you like things.
Obama and the mad Neocons, putting American troops into Northern Syria with Kurds and Al-Qaeda/Al-Nusara forces, is just begging to get Americans killed. Why does Obama want dead Americans? I am sure I don't even need to ask that do I?
Obama and the Neocons in Washington are clearly out of control, flailing around like a run over rattlesnake in the road! All Obama and the Neocons really know is that they want war. War feeds all their families and the corporate lobbiests. Nothing else matters to these American leaders. Money, Profit and power. I simply do not know why American military men answer the call of duty to do Obama's and the neocons work. In Syria they will aid Al-Qaeda to fire MANPADS and TOW ATGM. Al-Nusra will be trained to use secure electronic communications and MANPADS. YPG Kurds will get arms, money and advisors to fight ISIS, while ISIS will get arms drops from hte UK and USA aircraft.
Does American have a government? No, all they have is greedy money grabbers and lunatic power mongers.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Kurds told NATO & Turkey to go on a camel fucking expedition, and secretly sided with Putin for assurances that their North Western Euphrates, homelands would be safe.
If we want to discuss moderate Sunni's that have vested interest, and aren't "bat shit" crazy head chopping rapists--- the KURD's pretty much fit that definition/roll.
I would like to see Putin pull a Panama - Like the US did to Columbia some 100 years ago. Just tell Turkey that the Kurd's land belongs to the Kurds, and any attack by Turkey on the Kurds will put Turkey back to the stone age.
Intresting concept. I'm sure it's being contemplated.
I'd say, suffice the fact I'm a meager poster, that ideas are taken in secrecy from Zero/Hedge.
Tyler has been on the forefront of financial ideas for many years.
I'd almost argue that the Fed. is so completely lost in financial oblivion, that they're actually taking advice from Zero/Hedge indirectly.
My 2cents.
I'm confused/perplexed!! Is the Turkish-Russian Pipeline ( Turk Stream ) still a GOER?
so...
two NATO countries about to engage in a proxy war against each other whilst fighting another proxy war on the same side?
outstanding.
"I have wandered to far into the land of strangeness"- Robin Williams
The Cabal - I am so sick and tired of this shit! I know its tv but it hits the nail on the head. It also appeals to the couch potatoes, may I ask people to make it a massive hammer on the head of the sheep and we all keep posting it on every site we can. No I have nothing to do with the tv show, I am just trying to knock on the heads of the people. Why not try and save the lives of Nato soldiers by clicking a link and sharing the tale, I say again it's not a money grabbing thing, I live in England and have nothing to do with American TV.
https://youtu.be/bv1wBYQ4fQg
Civil war in NATO-stan. Karma is a bitch.
People with shorter memories than me may not remember the Turkish plane headed to Ukraine that turned back mid-flight as soon as news of Spetznaz in Crimea hit the wire.
Turkey has been all too willing to play empire games. And soon it will meet the fate of others who thought they wouldn't be thrown under the bus.
I thought the Americans were going to create a Kurd homeland as the Kurds are the least batshit insane group in the whole ME. Or at least the Kurds can be used to stop whatever group the USSA wants stopped. So USSA F-15s fighting Turkey F-15s and they both fly out of the same airbase.
This article is disgustingly deceptive and full of lies. I am asking over and over again, why ? Why ZH continuesly lies about turkey and erdogan ? What is this purpose? Engineering election ? Really? Lets look at the facts
1. Nearly 70% of the media are owned by western elite in Turkey, so more than half of the media is against erdogan, and running a stern psy-op against him.
2. Turkey is one of the most if not the most active social media country. And everyone knows how facebook can manufacturing consent by manipulatin newsfeed. Turkish facebook news feeds are full of shit news against erdogan and AKP. None of them are even remotely related to the truth.
3. There are international organizations + great amount of civil organizations that checks every step of the election. Every single of these entities agrees that elections are perfectly fair and honest. Turkey's elecetions are not less fair than say Switzerland referandum or any other highjly democratic countries.
This article as well as the rest of them, is an anti-erdogan (or anti-turkey) propaganda. If you want to learn the real truth let me modify the article : Ceasefire is over : Western media propaganda failed to rig Turkish elecetions.
Despite of many many efforts, our boys could not manage to engineer turkish elections as we wanted, in conclusion turkish people manage to decide for themselves again......
This is the real truth.
Oh boy i just found the answer, this is a "reuters" article, lol.. who belives this crap ?
So the unfortunate Caliph of Carnage and his Third World Ottoman ruin are just misunderstood...by his North Amerikan Terror Organ partners in crime? Pathetic.
well you might think as "third world ottoman ruin", its not surprising if your only information source is this kind of crap like reuters,cnn,bcc articles.. In fact, it is the only OECD ocuntry where gini index is improving while gdp continues to grow. Worlds 6th top destination after france,spain,china,italy and usa, yeah clearly a third world ruin. a ruin where anually 40 million people pays thousands of dollars to just spend a couple of days ..
Erdogan is nevertheless a Turkish politician that accepted the post of President of the Turkish Republic
Where the Turkish Constitution obliges the President to take a "super partes", a non-political role of being the First Defender of the Constitution
He is not respecting this part of the Turkish Constitution, and has clear and open plans to change that Constitution...
... while having actually exactly the one frigging job that is supposed to do the opposite, and only let changes happen if super-majorities do that
yes, lies abound. yes, propaganda pressure is immense
no, Erdogan is taking all alone several roles. That of the Reformer towards a Presidential Republic and that of The Defender of the current constitution
this is one truth about Erdogan, and his greatest political and constitutional sin in my eyes (and those of many, many Turks in Turkey)
Well first of, there is no legit turkish constitiution exists. the current one was written in 1982 by turkish army forces, after a CIA organized coup. there is no such thing as governments constitution but only peoples. thats why more than half of the people voted for erdogan, to make sure replace this CIA organized coup constitiution with a legit one.
Also, a non-political role, that concept is faul. there is no such thing as non-political. Policy means path, politics is the way of doing things. As soon as you want to do something, think or act, you are political. So that statement, written by army officials supported by CIA, is clear sign that no matter who gets elected as president, he/she can not act, think or speak but just to sit there and do nothing while behind the curtains they can rule the country. Yea they can get away with that in 1980s or 90s but not anymore.. modern turkey has strong understanding of democracy, these elections results shows that.
i dont give a shit about kurds you can execute them without mercy crap people same as ugly turk trash