CIA, Saudis To Give "Select" Syrian Militants Weapons Capable Of Downing Commercial Airliners

Tyler Durden's picture

Wednesday brought a veritable smorgasbord of “new” information about the Russian passenger jet which fell out of the sky above the Sinai Peninsula last weekend. 

First there was an audio recording from ISIS’ Egyptian affiliate reiterating that they did indeed “down” the plane. Next, the ISIS home office in Raqqa (or Langley or Hollywood) released a video of five guys sitting in the front yard congratulating their Egyptian “brothers” on the accomplishment.

Then the UK grounded air traffic from Sharm el-Sheikh noting that the plane “may well” have had an “explosive device” on board.

Finally, US media lit up with reports that according to American “intelligence” sources, ISIS was probably responsible for the crash. 

Over the course of the investigation, one question that’s continually come up is whether militants could have shot the plane down. Generally speaking, the contention that ISIS (or at least IS Sinai) has the technology and/or the expertise to shoot down a passenger jet flying at 31,000 feet has been discredited by “experts” and infrared satellite imagery. 

But that’s nothing the CIA can’t fix.

With the Pentagon now set to deploy US ground troops to Syria (and indeed they may already be there, operating near Latakia no less), Washington is reportedly bolstering the supply lines to “moderate” anti-regime forces at the urging of (guess who) the Saudis and Erdogan.

Incredibly, some of the weapons being passed out may be shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, capable of hitting civilian aircraft. 

But don’t worry, those will only be given to “select rebels.” Here’s more from WSJ

The U.S. and its regional allies agreed to increase shipments of weapons and other supplies to help moderate Syrian rebels hold their ground and challenge the intervention of Russia and Iran on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, U.S. officials and their counterparts in the region said.


The deliveries from the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Arabia and other allied spy services deepen the fight between the forces battling in Syria, despite President Barack Obama’s public pledge to not let the conflict become a U.S.-Russia proxy war.


Saudi officials not only pushed for the White House to keep the arms pipeline open, but also warned the administration against backing away from a longstanding demand that Mr. Assad must leave office.


In the past month of intensifying Russian airstrikes, the CIA and its partners have increased the flow of military supplies to rebels in northern Syria, including of U.S.-made TOW antitank missiles, these officials said. Those supplies will continue to increase in coming weeks, replenishing stocks depleted by the regime’s expanded military offensive.


An Obama administration official said the military pressure is needed to push Mr. Assad from power. 


“Assad is not going to feel any pressure to make concessions if there is no viable opposition that has the capacity, through the support of its partners, to put pressure on his regime,” the official said.


In addition to the arms the U.S. has agreed to provide, Saudi and Turkish officials have renewed talks with their American counterparts about allowing limited supplies of shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, to select rebels. Those weapons could help target regime aircraft, in particular those responsible for dropping barrel bombs, and could also help keep Russian air power at bay, the officials said.


Mr. Obama has long rebuffed such proposals, citing the risk to civilian aircraft and fears they could end up in the hands of terrorists. To reduce those dangers, U.S. allies have proposed retrofitting the equipment to add so-called kill switches and specialized software that would prevent the operator from using the weapon outside a designated area, said officials in the region briefed on the option.


U.S. intelligence agencies are concerned that a few older Manpads may already have been smuggled into Syria through supply channels the CIA doesn’t control.

If that sounds insane to you, that’s because it is. Even as US intelligence (which we can only assume emanates from the CIA) indicates that IS Sinai likely brought down a Russian passenger jet with 224 people on board, the same CIA is working with the Saudis to supply “select rebels” with weapons capable of shooting down commercial airliners.

In order to make sure no one ends up blowing a 747 out of the sky, Washington will “retrofit” the weapons with “special” software that makes sure they can only be used in certain areas. 

Make no mistake, this has gone beyond absurd and is now bordering on the bizarre. It’s apparently not enough that the US is supplying anti-tank missiles to rebels shooting at the very same Iran-backed militias that the US implicitly supports across the border in Iraq so now, the CIA and Saudi Arabia will give these rebels the firepower to shoot down planes, meaning that in the “best” case scenario they’ll be firing at Russian fighter jets, and in the worst case scenario these weapons will end up in the “wrong” hands and be used to down commercial flights. 

It's difficult to see how John Kerry can attend "peace" talks in Vienna and keep a straight face while chatting with Sergei Lavrov. That's not to say that Russia bears no responsibility for its role in the conflict (sure, Moscow is supporting a "legitimate" government in Syria but they're still dropping bombs on populated areas), but the US and the Saudis are arming Sunni extremist groups and encouraging them to shoot at Russian and Iranian forces. For Obama to suggest this isn't a proxy war is absurd. 

Putting this all together, it now appears possible that the US is, i) sending anti-tank weapons to rebels who are shooting at Iranian soldiers, ii) embedding ground troops near Latakia which means they'll almost certainly be engaging Hezbollah directly, and iii) passing weapons capable of downing a commercial airliner to "select" militants days after a Russian passenger jet exploded in the skies above the Sinai Peninsula.

This is all in conjunction with the Saudis and Erodgan, who just rigged an election in Turkey on the way to rewriting his country's constitution. 

And the Western media reports this with a straight face as though it all makes some measure of sense...

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29.5 hours's picture



It worked in Ukraine...



Money Counterfeiter's picture
Money Counterfeiter (not verified) Occident Mortal Nov 5, 2015 7:56 AM

If Putin is smart he will not react.  The financial implosion is close.

Occident Mortal's picture

The US is providing anti aircraft hardware to insurgent groups attacking the sovereign government of another country?


And they do this the week after the same affiliation of groups claim to have shot down a commercial aircraft and murdered 224 innocent people?


Is the USA insane??


How will history judge this!? Blatantly financing and arming terrorists!


USA is being set up to become the supervillian in WWIII.

Latina Lover's picture

I'll  bet  that the CIA/Saudis will instruct ISIS to shoot down an american or israeli jet, giving them the perfect excuse to invade Syria.  This smells like the setup for a false flag, to convince the amerikan public of the need for boots on the ground.

Occident Mortal's picture

Such an invasion would still be illegal.


American and Israeli jets are flying over Syria illegally, they were not invited into Syrian airspace by the Syrian government.


Only the Russian air force is flying over Syria legally. Anyone else who gets shot down are themselves at fault.

Latina Lover's picture

It's guaranteed that the western MSM pressitudes will spin this as Russia's fault. Since when did the USSA ever give a damn about international law except when it serves the banksters purposes?

Occident Mortal's picture

I agree, but for the first time in history it is the Anglosphere that is continually on the wrong side of international law.


We are being set up as "the bad guys".


All of this will make for extremely powerful propaganda one day, when the Asian powers call the world to rally against us.


There was no extraterritorial aggressor here. We have no grounds to be there. We were not invited. We have no UN security council resolution. We are flying warplanes through their airspace illegally, we are gifting anti aircraft hardware to people who the same week release youtube video's of themselves shooting down civilian aircraft and murdering hundreds of peoples.

Even if this were somehow justified, how is this going to look 12 months from now? It's insane. We are out of control.

SoilMyselfRotten's picture
CIA, Saudis To Give "Select" Syrian Militants Weapons Capable Of Downing Commercial Airliners


Unless, of course, they already have

Baby Bladeface's picture
Baby Bladeface (not verified) SoilMyselfRotten Nov 5, 2015 8:35 AM


Translation "to give" = "has give already"

Translation "select Syrian militants" = "entry point ISIS supply chain"

The Juggernaut's picture

Remember, remember!               
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot; 
I know of no reason  
Why the Gunpowder treason 
Should ever be forgot!

pods's picture

We need that Lindsey Grahm rant on autoplay here.  If that is the actual attitudes of many in that shithole on the Potomac we are toast.

Why he isn't hanging upside down at a gas station is beyond me.  Guy is so batshit crazy nothing is considered illegal and immoral if it is in the interest of the Empire.


Pliskin's picture

Remind me again, Pods, WHICH Empire are we talking about?  Lindsey Graham (Girls name) and Empire in the same post certainly doesn't make me think of the U.S.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

The video of ISIS head john mccain advocating the use of MANPADS in Syria:

In other words, this has already been done. We are in deep shit now folks.

Surviver22's picture

Obama will not finish his second term! Banned independent documentary reveals the truth. This will scare millions! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!


OrangeJews's picture
OrangeJews (not verified) Surviver22 Nov 5, 2015 12:10 PM

I swear McCain gets off in that video!  War turns him on so fucking much!

Skeeterworborton's picture

..just the oposite is going to happen...WWIII starts and election is posponed.....

Tarzan's picture

I said months ago, if America pits two outsiders in the general election, say like Trump Sanders, The elite will crap their pants, the election will be canceled, and there will be martial law.

Can you say King Obama?

Skeeterworborton's picture

..just the oposite is going to happen...WWIII starts and election is posponed.....

troubledasset's picture

This logic. This reasoning.

(Don't tell the truth to the adoring masses, near and far, who love and support Obama and his Nobel Peace Price) 

pods's picture

The whole government is unfit.  We can no longer couch this in terms of people.  Lindsey was the focal point but the whole lot of them need to be hanged for treason.

If we focus on someone (say Chalky), we lose because they shuffle these actors in and out every couple of years.

But the whole empire is rotten to the core.  


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V for ... (not verified) pods Nov 5, 2015 9:34 PM

Graham Cracker and Insane McCain need a taste of their own medicine. Pour encourger les autres...

Pliskin's picture

...don't forget Bullish for stocks.

Slomotrainwreck's picture

No, They wont give the missles to "Select" Syrian Militants. They're already "lost".

omniversling's picture

ZHer made the point (sorry didn't make a note of yr handle) a couple of days ago, that elevation of Sinai where plane went down is 6500ft, so with a missile capable pf 25000ft a nominal 31000 would have been possible. Have not checked these metrics myself, but found the observation astute.

Fred C Dobbs's picture

"We are being set up as "the bad guys"."


Very good reasoning but could you clarify being set up? 



Occident Mortal's picture

Strategically, we are being given all the rope we need to hang ourselves.


We are too focused on the Syrian conflict and not at all focussed on the wider world and how our actions in Syria will destroy our reputation and ultimately gift the propaganda tools that are required for a global mutiny to succeed in overthrowing Bretton Woods.

Max Steel's picture

Stingers cant shoot down aircrafts. Dammit Tyler give your porn fear some rest!

trulz4lulz's picture

So if an airliner passes over the sini peninsula mountains the planes altimeter adjusts upwards or stays the same?

greenskeeper carl's picture

a stinger can easily hit an airliner taking off or landing. they are small and easily carried and are supposed to be 'idiot proof' meaning they can be used by pretty much anyone with very little training. they can't hit something at cruising altitude, but since most air ports are in populated areas, it would be childs play to walk out onto a roof and shoot one at a passenger plane right after it takes off. stingers have very small warheads, so its doubtful they would blow up an airplane, but they can easily destroy an engine. they are heat seekers, so they will fly right into the back of a jet engine and explode, taking out that enginee, which would be catatrophic for an airliner, especially one with only two engines, right after take off.


given the history of the 'moderate rebels' we have supposedly vetted later being captured by, or defecting to, ISIS, it is absurd to think these won't wind up in the wrong hands. the government knows all of this, and is proceeding with this anyway, which means they will be 100% responsible when these people take down a plane full of people. this also means they want it to happen.

joe6px's picture

They are already in the field, I'm sure.  That's what Lybia was all about.

Ghordius's picture

+1 for taking the "we, Americans" point of view. which is refreshing compared to so many ZH old hands always talking about "them doing things" (independently if you are a real American or not)

but I disagree with the thesis "Strategically, we are being given all the rope we need to hang ourselves"

strategically, the US spends as much for weapons as the rest of the world together. Russia is picking up, but Russia still spends half as much as the eurozone and one third of the whole EU

i mention this Russia versus Europe because on the diplomatic front we constantly hear we ought to spend much, much more

so there is little rope to give. there can't be a kind of conference without the US where everybody agrees to "let them, and we'll see"

hegemony might be in clear decline, but it's still there in terms of force and force projection

LawsofPhysics's picture

Yes, the "good" news is that conventional war requires a tremendous amount of consumable calories...

like you said, not enough to maintain a decent standard of living and the status quo, much less go to war in earnest.

let them "project' all they want, it matters not.

El Vaquero's picture

LoP, most people don't have a clue what you mean by consumable calories.  That's a huge problem. 


Calories are energy.  Energy is the ability to do work.  Work, in simplistic terms is force times distance.  Translation:  Calories get shit done.

plane jain's picture

Don't see why a conventional war would be desireable anyway.

The US doesn't produce much in the way of value added products, so not much point in wrecking our factories.

Does an enemy have to bomb us to destroy us financially and reduce our power in the world? Don't thinks so.

Why spend all those consumable calories in fuel and manpower when you can just crash a market? Turn out the lights? 

The tricky bit is to attack in such a way that the enemy can't/won't reply with a nuke. Probably helps to work with multiple accomplices and/or through a proxy, i.e. "terrorists".

Matt's picture

"Don't see why a conventional war would be desireable anyway."

Conventional war is the best way to reduce your own population of young men, and keep them busy and out of trouble. 

Jethro's picture

I humbly disagree. Plagues are far more efficient historically speaking, although the two often go hand in hand.

Alvin Fernald's picture

Ghordius, "+1 for taking the "we, Americans"
Count me out of your 'we' american stuff. I opted out of the system. It's not my fault I was born within the arbitrary boundries of the US.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Watt about the rate at which they are being consumed? ;-)

(let's see how many got this.)

TuPhat's picture

Watt ever do you mean? Volts x Amps?

El Vaquero's picture

Work per second.



Benjamin123's picture

Your statement has units of [Force/Time]

Work per second has units of [Force*Distance/Time].

Baby Bladeface's picture
Baby Bladeface (not verified) Ghordius Nov 5, 2015 9:50 AM

Hanging rope being given to be knotted with noose at conclusion Nuremburg tribunal 21 century analog.

HopefulCynical's picture

Except that it's 5 years old. Unless Putin is a commie, this analysis is outdated.

And that's the trillion dollar question, isn't it? Is Putin a commie/bankster pawn, or not?

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

The seizure of Yukos from Khodorkovsky/Rothschild makes me seriously doubt Putin is still 'part of the gang'.

Was part of the gang?  Or convinced some people in the gang they could work with him?  Sure.  But still today?  Not so sure, at all.


Confused's picture

He is part of A gang, perhaps not the same as the west. Lets not forget before the revolution the Russian Royal family was related to whom? And they were related to whom? And so on. In fact, all powers in the first and second war had some familial ties. Yet somehow on opposite sides. 

Same as it ever was.