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CIA, Saudis To Give "Select" Syrian Militants Weapons Capable Of Downing Commercial Airliners
Wednesday brought a veritable smorgasbord of “new” information about the Russian passenger jet which fell out of the sky above the Sinai Peninsula last weekend.
First there was an audio recording from ISIS’ Egyptian affiliate reiterating that they did indeed “down” the plane. Next, the ISIS home office in Raqqa (or Langley or Hollywood) released a video of five guys sitting in the front yard congratulating their Egyptian “brothers” on the accomplishment.
Then the UK grounded air traffic from Sharm el-Sheikh noting that the plane “may well” have had an “explosive device” on board.
Finally, US media lit up with reports that according to American “intelligence” sources, ISIS was probably responsible for the crash.
Over the course of the investigation, one question that’s continually come up is whether militants could have shot the plane down. Generally speaking, the contention that ISIS (or at least IS Sinai) has the technology and/or the expertise to shoot down a passenger jet flying at 31,000 feet has been discredited by “experts” and infrared satellite imagery.
But that’s nothing the CIA can’t fix.
With the Pentagon now set to deploy US ground troops to Syria (and indeed they may already be there, operating near Latakia no less), Washington is reportedly bolstering the supply lines to “moderate” anti-regime forces at the urging of (guess who) the Saudis and Erdogan.
Incredibly, some of the weapons being passed out may be shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, capable of hitting civilian aircraft.
But don’t worry, those will only be given to “select rebels.” Here’s more from WSJ:
The U.S. and its regional allies agreed to increase shipments of weapons and other supplies to help moderate Syrian rebels hold their ground and challenge the intervention of Russia and Iran on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, U.S. officials and their counterparts in the region said.
The deliveries from the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Arabia and other allied spy services deepen the fight between the forces battling in Syria, despite President Barack Obama’s public pledge to not let the conflict become a U.S.-Russia proxy war.
Saudi officials not only pushed for the White House to keep the arms pipeline open, but also warned the administration against backing away from a longstanding demand that Mr. Assad must leave office.
In the past month of intensifying Russian airstrikes, the CIA and its partners have increased the flow of military supplies to rebels in northern Syria, including of U.S.-made TOW antitank missiles, these officials said. Those supplies will continue to increase in coming weeks, replenishing stocks depleted by the regime’s expanded military offensive.
An Obama administration official said the military pressure is needed to push Mr. Assad from power.
“Assad is not going to feel any pressure to make concessions if there is no viable opposition that has the capacity, through the support of its partners, to put pressure on his regime,” the official said.
In addition to the arms the U.S. has agreed to provide, Saudi and Turkish officials have renewed talks with their American counterparts about allowing limited supplies of shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, to select rebels. Those weapons could help target regime aircraft, in particular those responsible for dropping barrel bombs, and could also help keep Russian air power at bay, the officials said.
Mr. Obama has long rebuffed such proposals, citing the risk to civilian aircraft and fears they could end up in the hands of terrorists. To reduce those dangers, U.S. allies have proposed retrofitting the equipment to add so-called kill switches and specialized software that would prevent the operator from using the weapon outside a designated area, said officials in the region briefed on the option.
U.S. intelligence agencies are concerned that a few older Manpads may already have been smuggled into Syria through supply channels the CIA doesn’t control.
If that sounds insane to you, that’s because it is. Even as US intelligence (which we can only assume emanates from the CIA) indicates that IS Sinai likely brought down a Russian passenger jet with 224 people on board, the same CIA is working with the Saudis to supply “select rebels” with weapons capable of shooting down commercial airliners.
In order to make sure no one ends up blowing a 747 out of the sky, Washington will “retrofit” the weapons with “special” software that makes sure they can only be used in certain areas.
Make no mistake, this has gone beyond absurd and is now bordering on the bizarre. It’s apparently not enough that the US is supplying anti-tank missiles to rebels shooting at the very same Iran-backed militias that the US implicitly supports across the border in Iraq so now, the CIA and Saudi Arabia will give these rebels the firepower to shoot down planes, meaning that in the “best” case scenario they’ll be firing at Russian fighter jets, and in the worst case scenario these weapons will end up in the “wrong” hands and be used to down commercial flights.
It's difficult to see how John Kerry can attend "peace" talks in Vienna and keep a straight face while chatting with Sergei Lavrov. That's not to say that Russia bears no responsibility for its role in the conflict (sure, Moscow is supporting a "legitimate" government in Syria but they're still dropping bombs on populated areas), but the US and the Saudis are arming Sunni extremist groups and encouraging them to shoot at Russian and Iranian forces. For Obama to suggest this isn't a proxy war is absurd.
Putting this all together, it now appears possible that the US is, i) sending anti-tank weapons to rebels who are shooting at Iranian soldiers, ii) embedding ground troops near Latakia which means they'll almost certainly be engaging Hezbollah directly, and iii) passing weapons capable of downing a commercial airliner to "select" militants days after a Russian passenger jet exploded in the skies above the Sinai Peninsula.
This is all in conjunction with the Saudis and Erodgan, who just rigged an election in Turkey on the way to rewriting his country's constitution.
And the Western media reports this with a straight face as though it all makes some measure of sense...
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It worked in Ukraine...
Wow this is so illegal.
If Putin is smart he will not react. The financial implosion is close.
The US is providing anti aircraft hardware to insurgent groups attacking the sovereign government of another country?
And they do this the week after the same affiliation of groups claim to have shot down a commercial aircraft and murdered 224 innocent people?
Is the USA insane??
How will history judge this!? Blatantly financing and arming terrorists!
USA is being set up to become the supervillian in WWIII.
I'll bet that the CIA/Saudis will instruct ISIS to shoot down an american or israeli jet, giving them the perfect excuse to invade Syria. This smells like the setup for a false flag, to convince the amerikan public of the need for boots on the ground.
Such an invasion would still be illegal.
American and Israeli jets are flying over Syria illegally, they were not invited into Syrian airspace by the Syrian government.
Only the Russian air force is flying over Syria legally. Anyone else who gets shot down are themselves at fault.
It's guaranteed that the western MSM pressitudes will spin this as Russia's fault. Since when did the USSA ever give a damn about international law except when it serves the banksters purposes?
I agree, but for the first time in history it is the Anglosphere that is continually on the wrong side of international law.
We are being set up as "the bad guys".
All of this will make for extremely powerful propaganda one day, when the Asian powers call the world to rally against us.
There was no extraterritorial aggressor here. We have no grounds to be there. We were not invited. We have no UN security council resolution. We are flying warplanes through their airspace illegally, we are gifting anti aircraft hardware to people who the same week release youtube video's of themselves shooting down civilian aircraft and murdering hundreds of peoples.
Even if this were somehow justified, how is this going to look 12 months from now? It's insane. We are out of control.
Unless, of course, they already have
Correct.
Translation "to give" = "has give already"
Translation "select Syrian militants" = "entry point ISIS supply chain"
Oh this will end well for sure, plus it creates jobs and is good for the GDP.
Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
We need that Lindsey Grahm rant on autoplay here. If that is the actual attitudes of many in that shithole on the Potomac we are toast.
Why he isn't hanging upside down at a gas station is beyond me. Guy is so batshit crazy nothing is considered illegal and immoral if it is in the interest of the Empire.
pods
Remind me again, Pods, WHICH Empire are we talking about? Lindsey Graham (Girls name) and Empire in the same post certainly doesn't make me think of the U.S.
The video of ISIS head john mccain advocating the use of MANPADS in Syria:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx6s4jO9xNY
In other words, this has already been done. We are in deep shit now folks.
Obama will not finish his second term! Banned independent documentary reveals the truth. This will scare millions! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dWwkX3oUtI
I swear McCain gets off in that video! War turns him on so fucking much!
..just the oposite is going to happen...WWIII starts and election is posponed.....
I said months ago, if America pits two outsiders in the general election, say like Trump Sanders, The elite will crap their pants, the election will be canceled, and there will be martial law.
Can you say King Obama?
..just the oposite is going to happen...WWIII starts and election is posponed.....
This logic. This reasoning.
(Don't tell the truth to the adoring masses, near and far, who love and support Obama and his Nobel Peace Price)
The whole government is unfit. We can no longer couch this in terms of people. Lindsey was the focal point but the whole lot of them need to be hanged for treason.
If we focus on someone (say Chalky), we lose because they shuffle these actors in and out every couple of years.
But the whole empire is rotten to the core.
pods
Graham Cracker and Insane McCain need a taste of their own medicine. Pour encourger les autres...
...don't forget Bullish for stocks.
" Yes we can! "
No, They wont give the missles to "Select" Syrian Militants. They're already "lost".
ZHer made the point (sorry didn't make a note of yr handle) a couple of days ago, that elevation of Sinai where plane went down is 6500ft, so with a missile capable pf 25000ft a nominal 31000 would have been possible. Have not checked these metrics myself, but found the observation astute.
"We are being set up as "the bad guys"."
Very good reasoning but could you clarify being set up?
Strategically, we are being given all the rope we need to hang ourselves.
We are too focused on the Syrian conflict and not at all focussed on the wider world and how our actions in Syria will destroy our reputation and ultimately gift the propaganda tools that are required for a global mutiny to succeed in overthrowing Bretton Woods.
Our reputation was blown years ago, now we are in full bore across the board denial.
Stingers cant shoot down aircrafts. Dammit Tyler give your porn fear some rest!
So if an airliner passes over the sini peninsula mountains the planes altimeter adjusts upwards or stays the same?
a stinger can easily hit an airliner taking off or landing. they are small and easily carried and are supposed to be 'idiot proof' meaning they can be used by pretty much anyone with very little training. they can't hit something at cruising altitude, but since most air ports are in populated areas, it would be childs play to walk out onto a roof and shoot one at a passenger plane right after it takes off. stingers have very small warheads, so its doubtful they would blow up an airplane, but they can easily destroy an engine. they are heat seekers, so they will fly right into the back of a jet engine and explode, taking out that enginee, which would be catatrophic for an airliner, especially one with only two engines, right after take off.
given the history of the 'moderate rebels' we have supposedly vetted later being captured by, or defecting to, ISIS, it is absurd to think these won't wind up in the wrong hands. the government knows all of this, and is proceeding with this anyway, which means they will be 100% responsible when these people take down a plane full of people. this also means they want it to happen.
They are already in the field, I'm sure. That's what Lybia was all about.
+1 for taking the "we, Americans" point of view. which is refreshing compared to so many ZH old hands always talking about "them doing things" (independently if you are a real American or not)
but I disagree with the thesis "Strategically, we are being given all the rope we need to hang ourselves"
strategically, the US spends as much for weapons as the rest of the world together. Russia is picking up, but Russia still spends half as much as the eurozone and one third of the whole EU
i mention this Russia versus Europe because on the diplomatic front we constantly hear we ought to spend much, much more
so there is little rope to give. there can't be a kind of conference without the US where everybody agrees to "let them, and we'll see"
hegemony might be in clear decline, but it's still there in terms of force and force projection
Yes, the "good" news is that conventional war requires a tremendous amount of consumable calories...
like you said, not enough to maintain a decent standard of living and the status quo, much less go to war in earnest.
let them "project' all they want, it matters not.
LoP, most people don't have a clue what you mean by consumable calories. That's a huge problem.
Calories are energy. Energy is the ability to do work. Work, in simplistic terms is force times distance. Translation: Calories get shit done.
Don't see why a conventional war would be desireable anyway.
The US doesn't produce much in the way of value added products, so not much point in wrecking our factories.
Does an enemy have to bomb us to destroy us financially and reduce our power in the world? Don't thinks so.
Why spend all those consumable calories in fuel and manpower when you can just crash a market? Turn out the lights?
The tricky bit is to attack in such a way that the enemy can't/won't reply with a nuke. Probably helps to work with multiple accomplices and/or through a proxy, i.e. "terrorists".
"Don't see why a conventional war would be desireable anyway."
Conventional war is the best way to reduce your own population of young men, and keep them busy and out of trouble.
I humbly disagree. Plagues are far more efficient historically speaking, although the two often go hand in hand.
Ghordius, "+1 for taking the "we, Americans"
Count me out of your 'we' american stuff. I opted out of the system. It's not my fault I was born within the arbitrary boundries of the US.
Watt about the rate at which they are being consumed? ;-)
(let's see how many got this.)
Watt ever do you mean? Volts x Amps?
Work per second.
kg*m/s3
Your statement has units of [Force/Time]
Work per second has units of [Force*Distance/Time].
work has units of butidonwanna
Good catch.
Hanging rope being given to be knotted with noose at conclusion Nuremburg tribunal 21 century analog.
This explains it all, if you're interested:
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
Except that it's 5 years old. Unless Putin is a commie, this analysis is outdated.
And that's the trillion dollar question, isn't it? Is Putin a commie/bankster pawn, or not?
The seizure of Yukos from Khodorkovsky/Rothschild makes me seriously doubt Putin is still 'part of the gang'.
Was part of the gang? Or convinced some people in the gang they could work with him? Sure. But still today? Not so sure, at all.
He is part of A gang, perhaps not the same as the west. Lets not forget before the revolution the Russian Royal family was related to whom? And they were related to whom? And so on. In fact, all powers in the first and second war had some familial ties. Yet somehow on opposite sides.
Same as it ever was.
The NWO will come from the East, not the West as commonly thought.
My thoughts, also. Putin could be an elaborate bit of theater, or he might really have decided to kick the Zionists in the nuts. I sincerely hope its the latter, but that's a bet to hedge, for sure.
That page fantasical and sagely fake that even Sorcha Faal not post.
we are gifting anti aircraft hardware to people who the same week release youtube video's of themselves shooting down civilian aircraft
So close .... the U.S. is saying they'll give anti aircraft hardware to cover their asses because they already did.
Mind you, some of the American MANPADS are fake - designed to blow up in the operator's face.
Reversed engineered directly from U.S. geostrategic policy, no doubt.
Page not found?
"So close .... the U.S. is saying they'll give anti aircraft hardware to cover their asses because they already did."
I'd argue that they are covering their asses, because they want to redirect from the fact that they got a bomb aboard, probably in the food/drink cart, which comes out as soon as they reach cruising alt.
Reeks of total Inside Job, via Egyptian crypto-jihadists and foreign intelligence assets working at the Terminal.
This will make Russians think about traveling abroad, thus hurting them psychologically, more than materially. The response needs to be very significant and with Interest paid: Two eyes for one eye, as a minimum.
You have hit on it. Am sure CIA assets behind this...what really bothered me today, see US Naval Institute artivle pretending the Saudis were helping fight ISIS..when a Pentagram policy magazine is acting delusional believing their own bullshit, or passing it on as truth...we are in REAL trouble. Amazing to me military has been so neutered there is no push back o this policy...perhaps I have been stuck in hopium, that cooler heads and sanity would prevail....silly me.......I am interested to see Putins response, maybe his FSB assets will do a turn about and take out a US or Saudi craft..at this point, I think I would be considering blowing up Mecca or a Wall Street bank for effect and blame it on pajama clad group of nits from Somalia. Putin will respond...and aint flying commercial till he does. I so want the hangings to begin.....or better yet, an asteroid hit on the Beltway Langley nexus.
perhaps the best way to explain this is... it's a habit? gone a bit... bad?
not long ago Niall Ferguson, arguably the "acclaimed court historian of the Anglosphere" compared the US with a beautiful blonde wife with two husbands: Europe and China
now there are many reasons to like, love or have interactions with a beautiful wife, and many other reasons to close an eye on spending habits and so on
but really, perhaps wifey has gone bat-shit crazy and is ruining a lot of things out of bad habits aquired over the time she was the lovable rascal of old, doing arguable things for less unreasonable reasons
I blame propaganda. too many times here I note that our Cousins get two simplified versions of facts, and then are set to argue vehemently things that are more then distracting
just note the "climate denier" versus that other side resembling a religion. whatever side you are on... seriously? is this the way to argue about it?
wifey is distracted, has strange habits involving lots of weapons and a warped view of realities. bad combination, loving husbands very worried, even when not ogling that Russian chick
'perhaps wifey has gone bat-shit crazy and is ruining a lot of things out of bad habits aquired over the time she was the lovable rascal of old, doing arguable things for less unreasonable reasons'
How the fuck does Ghordius know Pliskin's wife ?!?!?
The analogy is correct if you assume the beautiful wife just picked up a nasty meth habit.
Oil and money = meth X infinity
Psychopaths won't stop until someone stops them.
Got any holiday plans involving local regime change?
Didn't think so.
what's left out is the lover, israel, for whom she really cares for, as she's just using the husbands for their wealth.
Yeah, I wonder why Rothschild court historian/jester would fail to mention that US foreign policy has been captured by 'Israel' (aka State of Rothschild) and the crypto-Jew House of Saud?
Want to know how to make mad cash in this corrupt world?
Drug smuggling (sorry, the CIA and Mossad are way ahead of you in this)
Money laundering (sorry, the CIA AND Wall St banks are way ahead in this)
Financial engineering (watch out for the SEC, if working out of parent's basement!)
Finance both sides in a conflict (with end goal of looting conflict area)
Now, it would seem to me what appears to be 3 or 4 different business strategies are in fact ONE vertically integrated operation. Banks, intelligence agencies, drug smugglers, and arms dealers.
The 'Illuminati' is just a word for a group that uses OTHER groups as fronts.
this is not my beautiful wife...
Analogy works much better if you assume husbands are not Europe and China but Goldman Sachs and Saudi Arabia, that the wife is not beautiful at all but is in fact Hillary Clinton, and someone raises the issue of a $400 million shipment of anti-air weapons checked out by the CIA (read: Hillary's State Department) in 2011 to give to Libyan/Syrian assets, at least one of which ended up in Taliban hands and shot down a US Army chopper.
"All of this will make for extremely powerful propaganda one day, when the Asian powers call the world to rally against us."
Keep your panties on.
Why do YOU think Russia insn't exclusively bombing ISIS? Why do YOU think both the USA and Russia are allowing ISIS to be armed to the teeth? Where do YOU think ISIS is headed with all those weapons/training? Who do YOU think is the mutual enemy of Russia and USA?
ISIS is headed to the KSA for payback. Period. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. Ironic isn't it. The KSA will be destroyed by the very army that that USA fooled them into creating/funding/arming; while Russia creates a safe corridor for their travels. Fucking brilliant.
I totally agree, we are being setup and it's horrible. The question is either it's by Russia or by politicians in the US who want to see Obama fall flat on his face. Everyone ask yourself why have so many international political schemes have blown back into the face of the US? Look at Ukraine, I bet every officer said that was a bad idea, the Ukraine is essentially the Cuba of today for Russia. But they pushed it anyway and Russia wasn't going to let that happen. Obama and the US almost pushed us into WWIII then. Now with Syria and ISIS they are upping the ante by supplying the weapons that no terrorists organization should have and it's going to be used as the poster said either on Russian fighters and craft or commercial craft.
I think Russia is reacting to the idiocy of the US and then manipulating their ignorance. Why do they want a confrontation with Russia so badly? I think it's two things, people in the US govt. are yes manning Obama and pushing this idiot to do things that are totally damaging relationships with Russia and China for politicial purposes and two. The economy may be in such dire straight that they are hoping that they can blame the collapse of the economy on a war with Russia. They hope they can have a low grade war. That has to be the only two reasosn, because it all fits.
+1. However, I think Obama needs very little help to fall flat on his face.
"I agree, but for the umpteenth time in history it is the Anglosphere that is on the wrong side of international law."
Fixed that comment for you. You're welcome.
its what happens when you stop buying angl-american debt.
How long before the Chinese/Russians/India/and the other BRICS nations decide the world is abtter place without anglo-americans?
Anglosphere had been on the same side of the argument all along. What's different this time is that due to being overstretched geographically and financially they no longer have the resources to overwhelmingly control the public opinion. And there's this tiny thing called "the internet". All the lies the West used to get away with for hundreds of years are no longer accepted at face value.
History looks a lot different when we aren't the only ones writing it.
The Sinking of the Lusitania
No Israeli planes will be touched. It is productive to shoot down an American plane, helps reignite the fervor for the Spending Programme "War on Terror."
The three things together are so much bad news for Egypt. Tourist plane down on its territory, US arming groups to do more of the same, and Britain nervous enough for its travel-loving citizens that it makes an announcement.... adds up to no economic improvement for Egypt in well, ever. Sisi is such a tool. His supersized military does not even understand their own interest, not to mention the country as a whole. It's expensive to keep a lid on that kind of unemployment. Keep paying Saudis....oh you're running low on funds? (I have to say, if I were Israeli I would hang on to that second passport.)
'How will history judge this!?...'............hahahahahaha. history after WW3.....hahahahaha. most of the people in this world right now cant read/write. what makes you think we will have books when the lights go out.
"USA is being set up to become the supervillian in WWIII."
This is a criminal, illegal, illegitimate, Vichy Government.
The question is, is anyone loyal remaining inside it going to do anything about it?
US vain playing with fire. Putin can be called at any time any of terrorists in Afghanistan and many other countries around the world as the "moderate opposition". Then they will begin (as moderate opposition) to receive the latest Russian MANPADS "Willow."
These new Russian MANPADS far exceed any similar system of the United States. The US should understand that this is a one-way road and that is the road to hell.
"How will history judge this!? Blatantly financing and arming terrorists!"
What? You think this is the first time Rip van Winkel
If you had a credit card that never sent you a bill no matter what you charge on it, wouldn't you spend a lot? US leadership has never been called to account so they'll just keep charging it up. When the bill comes due, it will be literally Hell to pay.
He will react. But not in a grandiose way. He will react where it sends his message, and directly to the people giving the orders.
I would not want to be the family of any of these ISIS leaders.
Those are the people who will be mailed back, piece by piece.
This is WAY bigger than just the ISIS leaders in the ME. WW2 started for less.
The asymmetric response needs to be felt where it hurts: in the pocketbook. E.g., go to the Gold Standard, and force the Chinks to do the same, because as it is, they are playing footsie with all sides, while keeping their Thick Face and guarding their Black Heart.
Alternatively, and the more probable course of action, would be to impose a total No-Fly, No-Entry Zone over Syria to ALL foreign planes and vehicles, who do not have the permission of the Syrian government. Do this at the UN. Now! That way, when the DOD/CIA tries to resupply their Rebels, they too get shot out of the sky. What you gonna do then, bitch?
The following is the email I just sent to both my senators from NH. I encourage everyone to copy (modify at will) and send to your senators. It may not do any good but at least they will know we are awake. Look up yours at www.senate.gov
"Dear Senator, This morning it is reported that the US will now be arming the "rebels" who are Al Queada terrorists, with MANPAD missiles capable of shooting down airliners!
This has to be illegal but even if not, it is insane.
ISIS doesn't have an airforce and the only other aircraft are Russian fighters/bombers working to eliminate ISIS and other terrorist organizations.
This action of arming terrorists appears to be intended so that these terrorists can shoot down Russian aircraft! WHY? The Russians are fighting our supposed enemy yet the US is thwarting that effort in illegal arms deals!
Why don't you come clean with americans and tell us why you are on the side of Terrorism?
This is an outrage and every member of congress should be prosecuted under the NDAA act which calls for indefinite detention of people supporting these groups! Please respond!"
Dear Constituent Chubbar: Thank you for writing with your so eloquently expressed concerns. Senator Chubbycat receives a great volume of communications from your fellow well-informed constituents here in the great State of New Hampshire. And how. Rest assured that the Senator is routinely made aware of these communications/concerns, and that this awareness is and will be fully reflected in the Senator's legislative efforts and voting record on those occasions when he is sufficiently sober and lucid to make it to the Senate chambers for a vote. As an informed New Hampshirian, you are no doubt aware that The Senator faces a tough re-election battle in 2018. Any financial support you can muster would be appreciated and may just be reflected in future tax assessments on your property there on Chubbo Lane - in a happy way! Suggested support in the amount of just $10,000 will get you and yours either a unique day-trip on the otherwise unmanned surveillance blimp floating over the metro DC region for security purposes, or a seat next to The Senator at the bar at the Old Ebbitt Grill at a future happy hour. Thank you for your support.
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Shaheen(D) and Ayotte (R) are complete idiots, only Annie Custe makes them look slightly smarter. Every single ZH knows more about this fiasco in the Mid-East than these two. They both get their marching orders from the party and are incapable of intelligent independent thought.
NH is small, as you know. A few months ago Shaheen walked into my store, lets just say after a short conversation I ascertained that she is not long for the Senate. She was concentrating on things for her 'retirement" home at York Beach ME. She either expects to lose an election or is planning on retiring was my take.
Ayotte is the epitome of a RHINO. She voted for NDAA. We are not talking about the best and the brightest here. Both heavily insulate themselves from the 'people' and they both have a huge disconnect from reality. Your letter they will never even hear about. They live in a world far from you , me and the Middle East.
Putin can't rely on financial implosion, we have been waiting for it for years and nothing....Sorry to say, but he is already reacting: by sending anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria as well. If USA wants an all-out war in Syria, Russia seems to be ready for it.
http://tass.ru/en/defense/834052
But those systems are only in Russian hands and only at their bases. Assad should have had them long ago, same for Iran. The refusal by Russia to supply them shows that Russia would rather let Syria and Iran fall (as they did Iraq, Libya) than risk getting TPTB too upset.
As far as the other posters comment that Russia will take out some ISIS leader and his family. Who cares, they are a dime a dozen. A dozen Russian airliners go down, a dozen ISIS members/families go down. Who do the Russian people think is winning? Not Putin. Besides it is Israel/US taking down the planes using ISIS as a cover. Any response by attacking the proxy and not the source shows stupidity, timidity, or a willingness to make public displays that have no real effect and do not punish. (And so it continues and increases.)
Putin has to get beyond the proxy and to the source. But that means full commitment to fight now and not die of a thousand cuts.
Until Putin has the balls to declare a no-fly zone in Syria you know he is just trying to keep his bases and a part of the western coast of Syria and nothing more. Being so obviously timid is why he was insulted with the airlner going down. (China, keep your mouth shut if you do not plan to back it up. Keep silent and work the financial/economic angle. You have lost face already due to empty talk.)
If Russia had grown a pair and drawn the line around Iraq and then Libya and then Syria - then Putin would now have those countries as allies. AND they would all be selling oil without using the dollar and could have mounted a real attack against the dollars reserve status. But now the "implosion" is many many years away. Russia's elite have always chosen shorter term profits for themselves or the long term needs of Russia.
Russia (and now Putin) is unable to make long term stratagies. It is they who play checkers I am afraid.
"It is they who play checkers I am afraid."
Very insightful comment!
he does not have nearly the resources to even try a no fly given the US/UK/Turkish/Israeli/Saudi forces arrayed against him.
Would you kindly consider not talking out of your bum?
Getting into a fight you are sure to lose is not balls, it's stupidity.
People who've studied martial arts such as judo know this well.
So you are saying the ferocious bear is actually weak, feable and nothing but noise.
Those who know the martial arts are not brawlers, they know how to fight a larger foe.
If things are as you say then Putin is done in the ME. He will be bullied back to his couple bases on the coast. And anywhere else outside of Russia's borders.
A chess player, judo master would have been capable to plan for the opponents reaction or counter strike attempt.
Remember the coincidence of Putin's jet (returning from Cuba) flying in the vicinity of the MH-17 takedown, at approximately the same time? Warning #1
(Also remember the crash of the French CEO's private jet at the Moscow airport.)
The takedown of the Russian passenger plane was Warning #2.
The western cabal do not like dissention in the ranks. As you've pointed out, Putin has not broken ranks until recently with the move into Syria.
At what point do the gloves come off, and they actually go after Putin with "extreme prejudice"?
Time will tell whether Putin comes back into the fold, or if he is able to engineer an effective response.
And also, as you pointed out, the Chinese are unable or unwilling to risk their TBills with a meaningful opposition to the western cabal.
Putin is on his own. Hope he survives without capitulating.
They should deny entry into Syrian territory or airspace to any and all Foreign Powers, that do not have the permission of the Syrian government. All violators will be shot on sight, no questions asked.
Enforce a strict No-Entry, No-Fly Zone over Syria. Shoot down any DOD planes or vehicles, and see what the Bitch does then.
Let them impose Sanctions. Russia can simply retaliate by repudiating all US/NATO debt, or seize Foreign Assets. The laws for this are now in place in Russia.
The US can come to its senses, become a genuine partner against terrorism, or become branded as being part of terrorism and being its #1 sponsor. It's that simple.
Yes. Deny the Anglo-Atlanticists an excuse when the house of cards folds.
That may not be enough. They will goad him, maybe with an attack on Crimea.
Backed into a corner with Russian territory at stake, we know what Russians will do. They lost over 1 million soldiers at Stalingrad. That did not stop them. For every 100 guys, they had 50 rifles and 1 stripper clip each. When the guy in front of you was shot by the Germans, you picked up his rifle and continued the assault.
In the end, they may have to invade thru Alaska and over the Pole and strike Vichy, just to survive. Most of us will be dead.
The .gov in fully under the control of the deep state, but now they are desperate and operating in the open.
The shit is about to meet the fan.
Got a fallout shelter?
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There is a must-read book out there, by David Talbot. "The Devil's Chessboard." It describes in detail the origins of, and the takeover by, the Deep State. A must read if you wish to oppose the current insanity.
Crimea is a super carrier dominating the Black Sea. It is practically impregnable, with installations buried deep underground in solid granite, and hardened against multiple direct nuclear blasts. Moreover, the coastal defences could easily take out any warship including an aircraft carrier. Anyone trying to take out Crimea will have their teeth broken.
I think Putin is smarter then all the west leaders combined. He can only wait so long before west concurs middle east and the rest of the east.I am sure he knows the financial game all to well.</
I am past the idea that this will remain a proxy war. IF you had guys in Vichy about as intelligent as Russians, I think they would keep the pot on simmer. But the Vichy DC crowd are I think, criminally insane.
That's why I think this dog will escape and get away and let loose Havoc.
We know the world financial system is strangling in debt. ZIRP, NIRP, and *burp* it's all gone. A distraction used as a reason for the collapse throws everything into the Zionists' favor.
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Both continental Europe and the US are currently under invasion over their borders by military-aged men. This cannot be denied. Nor can the distinct possibility it has been orchestrated and the politicians paid off by the Zionist/Globalist Cartel.
At this stage it's more than a 'distinct possibility'...
Putin´s biggest enemy is time. If this adventure drags on and on, the costs will blow his economy apart. The Stingers used in Afghanistan were game changers against the Soviets, a fact everyone knows. Better ramp up the ground offensive up quick and take ISIS out before he loses helicopter gunship and attack aircraft support.
Yes, everyone acts like Putin's inaction is to his advantage. It is not. The financial implosion for the west is far in the future, the possible financial implosion for Russia could be much sooner (just like last time).
Putin failed to delcare a no-fy zone. Russia failed to supply shoulder fired missiles to their allies in Iraq and Afganistan. Russia's allies were making IED in their garages instead. Russia even agreed to the no fly zone over Libya (and sanctions against other "allies"). Countries that could have given Russia strength were destroyed while russia watched and did nothing (or assisted in their destruction). Now those chickens have come home to roost.
Putin tested the wests resolve and effectively attacked the insurgents in Syria. Now he has his response. We will see but most likely he will retreat to just the area of Syria around his bases. That is why he acted now and not 3yrs ago when Syria was strong and ISIS still weak. He just wants a bit of Syria for Russia's bases.
His naval base is important, but his number one reason for backing Assad is to deny the building of a gas pipeline to Europe and maintaining his monopoly over that market.
He´s forged an alliance with Iran, and by default, Hezbollah, which surely has been expensive in it´s own right (military weapons shipments, nuclear power support). In return, he´s bought ground troops to help Assad survive. He has pushed his stack foward and has gone all in. It is, however, looking ever increasingly like he will be called.
Thing is, he has to play until he wins all the chips, or else the threat against Assad...and the threat of losing his gas monopoly, never goes away. It will be a very expensive game to play if he doesn´t win very quickly.
Do not forget how Israel covets Lebanon's natrual resources and water. If Putin begins backing up they may move forward on Lebanon also.
Putin may be reduced to attempting to have proxy's stage covert attacks on any pipelne in the future. But I doubt the effects as the west will have ISIS commit genocide in the region. And Putin seems fearful of reprisals.
Yes, he must move boldly and quicky on some front and in some way.
He and iran will react by funding the yemenis and opposition in Saudi Arabia - maybe allow terrorists shoot down a few Saudi commercial airliners or blow up their pipelines. America is run by psychpaths -these are very dangerous times.
Putin agreed to the sanctions, restrictions. arms and ammunition embargo and naval embargo against the Yemenis.
Army CoS General Mark Milley has gone Full Mental Retard with Precious Bodily Fluids. Indeed, very dangerous theatre:
"Fresh back from Kiev, Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley called Russia “aggressive” and “adversarial to the interests of the United States,” claiming that having nuclear weapons and the ability to use them makes Russia the foremost threat to the US.Russia is the only country in the world with the nuclear capability to destroy the United States, which makes it an existential threat, Milley told the audience at the Defense One summit in Washington, DC on Monday. Moscow’s recent behavior suggested that Russia would be willing to use such weapons, the general added, saying that Russia has been violating “the Westphalian order” since about 2008 by “invading sovereign nations.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/320572-general-milley-russia-threat/
Am I the only one surprised that the House of Saud's palaces are not smouldering piles of ashes. Surely there must be some karma reach around, since 2001.
Can we please define "close"? A few weeks? Months? Years (god forbid)?
Eyes Wide Shut....they killed Stanley Kubrick for making that movie....then they cut up the film so no one could figure out what it was about.
If they are so omnipotent why not kill him before he made it?
Well, duh, they went back in time and rewrote the movie before they killed him.
"Eyes Wide Shut" was another limited hangout from the NWO. No way that movie made it to theaters otherwise.
Kubrick probably knew that, but maybe it was the best he could do, under the circumstances.
Killing Kubrick made it more believable, gave the movie more credibility.
If you watch the final scene in the (Spielberg edit) film, Eyes Wide Shut, you will see Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman in a toy store, with their young daughter. Then they seem to forget about their daughter for a few minutes, and Kidman says she wants to "Fuck". Which is all anyone leaving the theater will remember. Actually, Kubrick is showing that they have GIVEN THEIR CHILD to old men in the toy store. The pedophilia cult. Their daughter is seen appearing to leave with the old men (this is in the background, but CENTER of the screen).
And in the toy store are lots of clues. Toy bears (pedo-bear?). And a game of 'Magic Circle' (of course the orgy scene is extremely memorable for the 'circle' that the nude models form around Leon Vitali/Man in Red).
Kubrick's DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPPED BY SCIENTOLOGY, during the filming, and that was their primary method to intend to get the cut of the film they wanted from him. It didn't work, the man had huge balls, and as a result, they had to kill him. 666 days before Jan 1, 2001 (his most famous film).
Another clue from that scene (I gained from anothers review). Is that a stuffed toy tiger/cat shown earlier on a bed with a sultry sexy girl was also in that scene. Only he put in a large group or shelf of them, the exact same stuffed toy, to show the pedo's are trying to sell the lifestyle or gain access to all the children.
I wrote a piece about that pedo thing, Can't Fight City Hall.
Uh, they had to see it first to see if he gave away any secrets, which he must have done. I have never seen it, but I have read articles claiming it shows the Money Power, Zionist, or "Illuminati" symbols throughout the movie.
Kubrick was Jewish, maybe an anti-Zionist.
I did not get it either
It was about an old man that wanted to get laid one last time before he died.
Damn, I guess I better watch it again. I thought it was about Nichol Kidman removing her clothes.
His daughter didn't think so.
She was married to a friend of mine,Spielbergs favorite stills man.
The film biz makes incest look normal.
Arkansas also.
What the fuck has legality got to do with anyone in western governments any more?
Yeah, but it's a great fucking idea.
(do I really need to /s this?)
By what law?
Lmao....LOL....sorry did you just bring up legality and the USSA gov?
Parasites in DC getting desperate.
Yes, they are. Even worse, they are proven incompetents.
+1. And Desperate idiots do a lot of damage on the way down.
In every instance the media has reported that US allies will "begin" arming the "rebels" with weapons at least two months after it already happened.
Ergo: the US and Saudi Arabia has already handed those weapons over. Perhaps Russia has satellite images of a rocket trail in the Siani leading to their plane, and this is just the US' way to pre-empt the inevitable Russian media response.
But don’t worry, those will only be given to “select rebels.”
"WHAT COULD GO WRONG" ?
Russia may just give some manpads to select Taliban.
Don't forget the Yemeni's, and Kurds.
Yemen just shot down another saudi chimpanzee jet fighter, and captured the pilot.
Go Russia, Go Syria, Go Yemen, Go Iran, Go China !
Die Western Axis of Evil !
don't know about Taliban, but as Russia just announced it is sending anti-aicraft systems to Syria, they may very well get into the hands of Hezbollah, who is fighting there together with the Syrian army. I wonder, how Israel is going to be happy about this. Nuttyahoo complained how he is afraid that some lethal weapons may get to Hezbollah.
Fuck Israel. They are partly responsible for this.
Maybe Hezbollah has air defense system the flying
yarmulkas will stay in their own airspace
It's all uninteresting until it gets to the Western Hemisphere.
Great time to take Cuba out of the game.
"Up" for 1st sentence, "Down" or a "WTF?" for the 2nd sentence.
Speaking of making it interesting in the Western Hemisphere... what would happen if, say, hypothetically speaking, small groups started downing airliners in the West?
E.g., Given the open border to Mexico and all the drugs and illegals coming in, what's to keep the 'terrorists' from coming in, and taking out US planes? Talk about "Fear Of Flying - the Remake". Unless, of course, the drug cartels are actually in cahoots with the DEA and DOJ, and everything but foreign agents are allowed in. Just speculating.
What air force does ISIS have and been flying? If NONE is the answer then this is targeting Russian fighters who are there to defeat ISIS. How can this be interpreted any other way? This is a fucking outrage and likely illegal to boot!
Obama: "I'm a dude playing a dude, disguised as another dude!"
Fits, percectly.
I'm wondering what the application looks like in order to apply for/receive a MANPAD:
1. Do you indulge in head chopping? Y N
2. Do you have a fetish for burning live humans? Y N
3. On a scale of 1 to 5, how do you feel about the murder of women and children (5 being "most keen")? 1 2 3 4 5
4. How do you feel about standing your ground in the face of a MI-24 (5 being "Allahu Akhbar!")? 1 2 3 4 5
5. Do you have access to an efficient distribution network for the MANPADs should you survive after running from MI-24/SU-30? Y N
6. How long do you feel it will take you to turn on your weapons suppliers, after your friends are all annihilated? 1mo. 2mo. 6mo. 1yr+
I must admit I'm growing weary of all this insanity... it's turned me into a geopolitical junky, much like i was years ago, following my local sports teams:
"This year our team picked up Russia, and our bullpen is so much deeper now... and with Iran, Lebanon & Hezbollah in the outfield, and with not too shabby batting averages of their own, we're sitting pretty for the World Series, even up against the likes of perenial favourites & bad-boys, the Yankees."
See how pathetic I've become?
And as much as I love the comments of the many learned folks here, like PaveWayIV, I just don't know if my in ordinate time here is better spent helping me & my kin & community.
Thanks, in advance, for the fount of knowledge, and levity provided here... oddly enough I will even miss the trolls - a completely sealed echo-chamber would be no fun, now would it?
Seacrest out...
Sure.
But there's a bit different circumstances like:
1) Not an Malaysian jet
2) Too far from Russia.
It's not... "profitable" for YouKnowWhoExactly, I guess...
Just imagine for a moment, that Putin's name was put on the 2016 presidential ballot.
there would be Landlord Trump, and Wall Street Hillary and Vlad Putin.
Now who do you really suppose would win that American election?
My head hurts....
DavidC
Hezbollah needs to capture such weapons and bring them into USA from Mexico... walk across the border and give the CIA a taste of it's own medicine.
Probbaly what they want anyway... then they can lock down the US citizens.
USA and Israel... most evil places on earth... Satan runs those places.
You're not wrong. It's just that Satan lives in London.
Bingo!
Does he work at Broadway Ealing tube station? Ah, that explains alot.