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"Get Covered" America Or "Take Cover" America

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Isn’t it interesting the mainstream media makes barely a peep about the ongoing and worsening Obamacare debacle. Healthcare premiums, co-pays and deductibles are soaring, while doctor and plan choices contract to a minuscule level.

 

Source: Townhall

Recent surveys reveal the hardship being inflicted upon families across the nation. As The Burning Platform's Jim Quinn details, those who are willfully baffled by the lack of consumer spending need look no further than Obamacare and its impact on the budgets of hard working Americans.

According to a survey by LIMRA, an insurance and financial services trade association, six in 10 workers agreed that the rising cost of health insurance directly affects how much they set aside in their workplace retirement savings plan. Employees are being forced to cut back on their retirement savings in order to meet the skyrocketing cost of their health insurance. Based on the numbers being bandied about by the Kaiser Family Foundation, it seems average families will soon have to decide between food and healthcare. Remember Obama’s quotes in 2008- 2009 when he was selling this bloated pig of a plan to you?

“We will start by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family.”

“If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold.”

Millions of people have been kicked out of their existing health plans and have seen their premiums and deductibles go up by double digits. Small business owners are being forced out of business. And now the fines, mandates, and taxes really begin to kick in. At least median household real wages are lower than they were in 1989. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation:

Single and family average premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance rose 4% this year over last. The average annual premium for single coverage is $6,251, of which workers pay an average of $1,071; the average family premium is $17,545, of which workers pay an average of $4,955. Deductibles have risen more sharply than premiums. That’s the amount that consumers must pay out of pocket before insurance pays for anything, except for certain preventive services that are covered at 100%. The average deductible for workers with employer-sponsored health insurance who face a deductible is $1,318 for single coverage this year, up 44% from $917 in 2010. By contrast, over that same period, single premiums are up 24% and wages have risen 10%, just outpacing general inflation at 9%.

The brain dead proponents and cheerleaders for Obamacare reveal themselves to be nothing more than liberal control freaks who care not for the people they supposedly are helping with “free” healthcare. They need to falsify enrollment figures in order to prove how successful they’ve been in destroying the health system. They only care about press releases and winning the PR battle with the Republicans. It’s all about votes. It’s not about what is best for the uninsured. Families being forced into the limited number of Obamacare plans are seeing weekly costs of $300 to $400 for barely acceptable coverage.

The poor suckers forced into the Obamacare marketplace have to contend with health plan deductibles that are even higher than those with workplace-based coverage. The average 2016 deductible for a silver plan on the Obamacare exchanges is $3,117 for individual coverage, up 6% from 2015, while the average silver family deductible is $6,480, up 8% from this year, according to a recent analysis by HealthPocket, a technology company that ranks and compares health plans.

The entire reason Obama and his liberal minions forced Obamacare down the throats of a public that did not want it, was to provide insurance for the 30 million uninsured Americans. He failed, as there are still close to 30 million uninsured Americans, only they now get to pay a penalty to the IRS. It’s laughable for the MSM and brainless liberal twits to hail Obamacare as a huge success in covering the low income uninsured, when a poor family has to meet a $6,480 deductible before insurance pays a dime. How many poor families have $6,480 to spare? We know for a fact that more than half the households in the country don’t have $1,000 in savings, let alone the poor households. It’s a joke to say they have health coverage.

Obamacare is an unequivocal disaster that has resulted in less job growth, small business closures, worse care, less options for consumers, higher health insurance premiums for all, and soaring profits among mega-insurers, mega-hospital corporations, drug conglomerates, drug stores, drug wholesalers, and the political campaign coffers of corrupt bought off politicians. It’s the gift that keeps taking from hard working Americans.

 

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Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:06 | 6755982 PacOps
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Good introduction to his thought process and ability to execute them successfully. 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:19 | 6756028 negative rates
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They HAD to pass it so YOU could find out whaaaat's in it, snicker snicker.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:31 | 6756076 duo
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Obamacare was the test case for passing the TPP, the reason why the Obama was hatched in the first place.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:12 | 6756206 max2205
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History will not be rewritten on this one 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:46 | 6756313 847328_3527
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Moar of Barry's disastrous Legacy.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:02 | 6756352 Boris Alatovkrap
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Only alternative now for America citizenry is stay healthy. Eat is your bacon and enjoy stress-free life!

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:22 | 6756449 new game
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true dat. 500/month-na. spent accordingly. u hav options...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 06:58 | 6757088 VinceFostersGhost
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Welcome to a little thing.....we like to call math.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:35 | 6757216 White Mountains
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Yep.  It's like gravity - deny it all you want, you still go SPLAT a short while after you step off the ledge.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:25 | 6756459 Chuck Walla
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There is always free cheese in the mousetrap.

FORWARD RODENTIA!

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:53 | 6756717 DisasterCapitalist
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Is mention bacon in post but is only get 5 upvotes. Must have stealth joos in fight club.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:08 | 6756375 TeamDepends
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True story: There was a time, not really that long ago, when hospitals did not exist. Shocking! We get the heeby-jeebies when visiting friends/kin in hospitals. Perhaps it is the clean livin' (wink wink), but somehow for half a century we have never been admitted as a patient. Sure, there was the car crash/broken ribs but there's not much they can do for that. Besides, we weren't about to end our streak. The point is, it's all in your mind. People invite disease, maladies, and accidents into their lives when they lose hope. Obamacare is the death funnel in the slaughter house. Take an alternative path.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:42 | 6756893 Arnold
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Prolly the most insightful thing i've seen you post.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:05 | 6757261 Fukushima Fricassee
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History will shit on the graves of every stupid dindus fool that ever cast a vote for that stupid son of a communist slut.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:34 | 6756680 Clowns on Acid
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You left out the illeagal alien invasion along with OblowMeCare and TPP.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:33 | 6756078 J S Bach
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Obamacare is unbridled and unrestrained socialism taken to its extreme.  Maybe it's a good thing... so that even some of the very slowest amongst us can see the futility of the "free lunch" mentality.  Cynic that I am... I honestly believe that as long as every featherless biped can vote, they will continue to fall for every faux program the communists dangle in front of their listless eyes.  Healthy governance can only come from a wise and moral elite.  Does or can such a thing exist in this decadent age?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:39 | 6756100 Latitude25
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Obamacare is unbridled crony capitalism masquerading as socialism.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:54 | 6756149 ISEEIT
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Crony capitalism/socialism/communism.

All the same shit.

Sociopaths feasting upon humanity.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:00 | 6757090 VinceFostersGhost
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Stop fighting.....you're both right.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:48 | 6756543 Vendetta
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in other words fascism

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:40 | 6757222 DaddyO
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In a word, you're exactly right!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/obamatrade-text-affirm...

Text book definition...Facsim!

DaddyO

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:39 | 6757128 Everybodys All ...
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This has so very little to do with capitalism.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 11:10 | 6757833 Crash Overide
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42 U.S. Code § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs

No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Source

(Pub. L. 111–148, title I, § 1555,Mar. 23, 2010, 124 Stat. 260.)
References in Text


This Act, referred to in text, is Pub. L. 111–148, Mar. 23, 2010, 124 Stat. 119, known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 18001 of this title and Tables. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/18115?qt-us_code_temp_noupdat...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 11:15 | 6757867 Crash Overide
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But they make the individual pay a fine for not wanting their federal health garbage?

So if you issue insurance to yourself you don't have to participate or pay the fine?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 05:10 | 6756988 Dog Will Hunt
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I'm not defending Obamacare in the least, but there isn't a goddamned thing inherently socialist about it.  Do people even bother with definitions anymore?  

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:55 | 6757147 nmewn
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You have to check off a box on your tax form stating if you have health insurance or not, effectively, that's the state mandating you have it or the state will come after you...thats socialism.

They don't care if you have car insurance or house insurance or (gasp) life insurance do they? ;-)

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:13 | 6757282 Oquities
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in obamacare the young subsidize the old, men subsidize women, the premium payers subsidize the newly qualified medicaid recipients, the childless subsidize the fecund, the citizens subsidize the illegals, and the slim subsidize the fat.  i could go on, but i'll end with the smart subsidize the dumb - and we know which category you're in there.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:44 | 6756115 nmewn
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Not to mention this proliferation of "health-care coaches", these busy-body, 250lb (and alternatively, 75lb anorexic-vegans) who's job it is...to "coach" me on my "lifestyle choices", to keep..."the companies" costs down.

Ya know what?

I'm 56yrs old, my momma died in 92 and I don't need "another momma" who's sole interest is saving money "for the company" (or the fucking nation for that matter) that's being PAID (by a company or a nation) to nag me about what I CHOOSE to eat, drink, smoke, ride, swim or screw.

They can all go fuck themselves with a baseball bat with nine inch nails sticking out of it.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:55 | 6756152 sgorem
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AFFIRMATIVE bro, just don't fucking sugar coat it next time, will yee ;)

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:00 | 6756171 sgorem
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welcome to the real world of 'been fucked, being fucked, or soon to be fucked'...................has the Revolution started yet?...not sarc.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:09 | 6756387 Manipuflation
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Nmewn's post made me happy because it is so true.  I think I will bust out the Angel's Envy bourbon and have a shot to honor that post because it spoke for me as well.   

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:01 | 6756180 Manipuflation
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We will not comply.   

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:01 | 6757093 VinceFostersGhost
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I'm not complying right now......and loving it.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:23 | 6756038 MalteseFalcon
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I'm no fan of Obama or Obamacare.  But let's be real for a moment.  In Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney forced Romneycare on the state.  Obamacare is Romneycare, right down to the gold, silver and bronze plans, high deductibles, high premiums and penalties.  In 2012 America was offered two choices for president; Obama or Romney.  You were not going to get a choice on healthcare.  The Republicans now control the house and senate.  Has there been a move to repeal or (god help us) reform Obamacare?  No.  So there you have it.

Except that I (a sample of one to be sure) pay 33% less under Obamacare than I did under Romneycare.

So just know that they are not repealing Obamacare and any Republican "reforms" should be avoided.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:31 | 6756072 Billy the Poet
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I got screwed but it's nice that you benefited.  I hereby rescind my call for the repeal of Obamacare because you mean that much to me.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:12 | 6756209 NoTTD
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Outstanding.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:47 | 6756314 NotApplicable
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and they say that poetry is dead...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:53 | 6756131 seek
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Good for you, however virtually anyone who's self-employed has been totally, utterly fucked. My brother just got his rate increase, it's +26%. Mine was 18%.

He makes less than 30K and is now looking at an annual insurance bill of about 10K, thanks to the O-care people pouring in and using their shiny new insurance. O-care is a fucking abomination that does nothing but guarantee high revenues (and thus profits, because while insurance's cut might be limited to under 20% of the bill, there's no limit on how big that fucking bill can be) not just for the insurance industry but the entire sick-care industry. Skinny people that work their asses off and take care of themselves -- well, Obamacare is a giant "fuck you" to us. But if you're a morbidly obese, unemployed diabetic that votes a straight D ticket before you head over to the store to buy ice creams with your foodstamps, of course Obamacare is the best thing ever.

When the revolution finally fucking happens, regardless if the individualists or the collectivists win, and the history books are written 50 years from now, I guarantee that Obamacare is going to be in the top five bullet points the kids will have to remember for the test on the causes of the second american revolution.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:14 | 6756217 Berspankme
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+1000

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:28 | 6756477 new game
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ps. the healthcare industrial complex has a financing arm to helpt with those nasty deductables.

true dat. sis is making paymnts. no tears from me tho art...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:51 | 6756897 Arnold
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Text english please. Tx

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 12:52 | 6758301 MisterMousePotato
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This is because no when.

Huh?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:19 | 6756632 Abbie Normal
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What is really needed, and what nobody is willing to suggest, is to get rid of all the middlemen, i.e. the health insurers.  Currently, my doc in the US bills about $120 for a visit, and after all of the discounting and jumping through paperwork hoops, he receives about $40 from the health insurer in 3-9 MONTHS!!!  From that $40, he now has to pay for all of the extra billing staff to satisfy the health insurer demands for paperwork so he's left with about $25.

Meanwhile north of the border, a similar doc would submit the billing for that same visit for $30 to the single-payer health insurer and receive the funds within two WEEKS, sometimes much sooner.  From that $30, he would pay the billing staff of ONE just $5 and end up with the same $25 as the doc down south.  The doc benefits because his costs are much lower and there is almost a zero % chance of claims denial.  The patient benefits because their healthcare insurance costs much less -- how does $80/mth for a single person sound?

  Of course, the one downside to getting rid of the current multi-level US healthcare insurance system is that it means dissolving an entire industry built on skimming off of healthcare costs, and laying off hundreds of thousands.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:07 | 6756750 ZD1
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What is really needed, and what nobody is willing to suggest, is to get rid of all the middlemen, i.e. the health insurers AND the FUCKING GOVERNMENT!

Everyone go back to paying cash for their healthcare like it was before big insurance and big government got involved.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:22 | 6756774 AGuy
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"Everyone go back to paying cash for their healthcare like it was before big insurance and big government got involved."

Well thats what most people are doing. with a 6K deductible only a major issue is going to have a payout.

Like everything else Free market offer the best chance at providing an afforble cost. The real problem is gov't meddling, in trying to fix a problem that the gov't created in the first place. What ever gov't breaks, the fix make its more broke, until everyone is broke.

 

 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:43 | 6757134 Everybodys All ...
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When the revolution finally fucking happens, regardless if the individualists or the collectivists win, and the history books are written 50 years from now, I guarantee that Obamacare is going to be in the top five bullet points the kids will have to remember for the test on the causes of the second american revolution.

And here I thought there wasn't one good thing about Obama.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:54 | 6757243 Dick Gazinia
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Well that and having a first lady with a dick.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:53 | 6756147 nmewn
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Not having a choice isn't much of a choice is it?

Freedom, choice, voluntary?...lol...whats that?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:55 | 6756153 TheReplacement
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Free shit much?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:03 | 6756188 Oldwood
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Massachusetts was and is a democratic dominated government so I'm not quiet sure how Romney "forced" his reform on anyone.Further,the conservative stand is that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has no constitutional ability to impose any such program on the entire country. States, on the other hand, have their own constitutions that are supposed to regulate what their governments can and cannot do. Further, if Romney ran on a platform of such program and change, then those people got exactly what they asked for.

On the other hand....Americans did not vote for this, and public has NEVER supported it.

As far as republicans are concerned, they are opposed to any federal government control over Americans, preferring to hold their nose and allow the democrats to do the dirty work while they wail in the background in false protest, being more than happy to take the reins when their opportunity comes about.

They would only use the power of the ring for good, don't cha know!

All claims to shrink the government are false...lies, purely promoted for political gain, and never to be actually acted upon.Yes they are liars, hypocrites, but that does not matter. The problem defies political solution for we cannot expect to hire people who will seek to eliminate the power they so voraciously fought for. it's too much to expect. The best we can hope for is delay, and at some point that may become more pain than its worth. Ultimately it will collapse from its own weight, the left believes that at best, their agenda will create enough chaos to allow their power to be permanently fixed, or at worse, a full blown collapse will allow them the opportunity to clean house and have an even more pure ideological society.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:13 | 6756216 Berspankme
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Good little collectivist aren't you? Did you blow your neighbor today too? 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:25 | 6756249 ISEEIT
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Read it again.....

Slowly.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:16 | 6756223 ISEEIT
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I appreciate your comment. I see nothing false in it. I would imagine (and hope) that the down arrows might be from the lack of depth. You helped clarify a deeper issue in this 'game' though....By contrasting el bozo and rawmoney in this way that you have, in that the uni-party is revealed (deep state/globalist).

The progression (progressive much?) is actually advancing at a truly shall we say..."historic" and "unprecedented" pace.

These fuckers have already won. It's baked in. The 'liberty movement' is now a collective (lol) of rabble rousers and malcontents.

I personally believe that the project (war against humanity) went into blitzkrieg mode with the placement of h.w. bush as who would 'serve' as our next president.

We've (and the rest of the world) have gone astonishingly far "FORWARD" ever since pappy handed over the reigns to bill.....(hillary's husband).

 

Ya know what? Once a society is reduced to being grateful of the fact that 'shit..it could be even worse'....well, then I would suggest that slavery must be the condition by which all else is measured.

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:29 | 6756262 MalteseFalcon
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I appreciate your comment.  The other responders missed the point.  Corporations designed Romneycare and Romney signed it into law.  Romneycare was the REPUBLICAN plan.  Obamacare was a major issue in 2012 and to present their side of the issue the Republicans nominated .... Mitt Romney.

And Romneycare is WORSE than Obamacare in my opinion.

People want to talk about the past or mythical third options.

The past is gone and there won't be any third options.  Not with these two parties and the current power structure.

Politicians will be glad to sell you some snake oil, but it won't cure anything.

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:48 | 6756317 live free
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Believe me on this.  Massachusetts as whole has a pretty messed up mindset and brainwashed.  They vote for things like Romneycare knowingly.  The vote against tax decreases, because of the commercials that scare them into thinking fire house and police forces will be cut.  When in reality some fat would just have to be trimmed and everything would be just fine.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:10 | 6756393 MalteseFalcon
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Mitt Romney stumped for Romneycare.  Mitt Romney signed it into law. Romneycare is a more expensive version of Obamacare.  When Obamacare was the issue in 2012 the Republican party, fully aware the American people wanted to abandon Obamacare, nominated ... Mitt Romney.

No need to connect the dots.  I just drew a line thru them for you.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:57 | 6756904 Arnold
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There is no fat to be trimmed in Massoftwoshitz.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:17 | 6756428 MalteseFalcon
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"These fuckers have already won. It's baked in. The 'liberty movement' is now a collective (lol) of rabble rousers and malcontents."

Absolutely correct.

Bohner resigns as speaker of the house.  The "freedom caucus" in congress thumps its chest.  "We sacked Bohner."  And then ... Paul Ryan is the Republican choice for speaker.  But only if the Republican majority meets his demands for more power.

What?!?!?  LOL.  What a fucking charade!!

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:19 | 6757180 doctor10
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O'Care was an insurance co. bailout. Congress and the White House had'nt the stones to do it like they did for the banks with TARP and QE.

Its why your "premium " payment was declared a "tax" payment. So that technically no benefit whatsoever has to be paid. There is no legislature or court anywhere on the planet that will define what must specifically be provided to whom in return for a tax payment.

Your "deductible" will continue to rise as that is all that is funding health care directly in the office and hospital.

That "premium"/"tax"is being sucked into the black hole of several hundred trillion in derivative contracts teetering on the precipice of a 0.25% interest hike by the FED. BTW O'Care so far is the only reason that derivative weapon of mass destruction has yet to detonate. Would have done so otherwise back in '12.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:30 | 6757207 MalteseFalcon
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O'care was a massive tax increase.  And it is a perfect vehicle for on-going tax increases.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:06 | 6755983 stant
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OT and his name was headbanger , anybody know wazup?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:11 | 6756001 Philo Beddoe
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Subdural hematoma

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:26 | 6756055 scintillator9
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Since things are archived very quickly these days, it is difficult to look up his user name to see if that user was indeed ghosted.

Headbanger may have unfortunately strung together a string of words that someone found "offensive".

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:36 | 6756506 new game
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any alternatives out there? chim in.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:08 | 6755984 knukles
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Maybe because the MSM is wholly (not in part) an Official Organ of the DC leftist NWO Party?
Interestingly, I had cause to be driving quite a bit today and to defeat total boredom I uncharacteristically tuned in "hate radio" (Conservative Talk Radio)
Listened to Rush Limbaugh and today, he sounded as if he'd prepped the entire program direct from the pages of ZH.  Didn't give a rats about Dems or Repubs other than casting them both into a One Big Party Screwing the Public by Big Assed Money from Every Direction, Lobbying, Campaign Contributions, our votes don't count, mentioed bankers, pharma, you name it, wasteful foreign ventures, etc.
My oh my ....  How times and things have changed. 

And don't forget the GDP green shoots being health insurance premium payments to health insurers which go to executive bonus pools.  Nice theft if you can get it!

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:13 | 6756212 Oldwood
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careful, lest you be judged...

the bravery of referencing Rush on ZH, oh my!

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:40 | 6756289 ISEEIT
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As I understand it he started out that way. Limbaugh got suckered, but at least he's willing to roll with it and oppose this abomination. The 'game' is up. This shit is real and rapidly approaching a major offensive push.

"Folk's" get tired of hearing about 9/11 and all these other "conspiracy theories"...

But lot's of "folk's" know that what they are doing is pathological also.

The herd senses danger.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:58 | 6757251 FreeNewEnergy
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I listen to Rush quite a bit these days. I think that after his bout with oxycodine and then losing his hearing, he's become more humane, or human, which means he isn't toting the Republicans water any more.

Rush still has a show to do every day and he can't just go all Alex Jones at once, but I think he's on the edge (as are the majority of working Americans).

As such, Rush just can't go overboard, though he's arguably a lot less party-oriented than he used to be. Being that he's a master at verbal communications, I give him credit for being subliminally subversive.

He can get away with it because the Dems already hate him and the Republicans are afraid to cross him, so, good for us. Besides, Michael Savage kicks his ass in many markets and he's openly subversive.

You want leaders? Listen to those two guys and follow the road to the quiet revolution. Stop playing, stop paying, start keeping what you earn (if anything).

Disclaimer: I haven't paid SS or federal taxes in 15 years and I'm very, very close to not even filing this coming year, though I think I'll jump through a few hoops on my IRS 1040 form, but in the end, just write "Unconstitutional" on the bottom line where they'll want me to pay $495 penalty for not having health insurance (which I don't need and don't want). Heck, since Irwin Schiff died, there's an extra room in some federal pen for me.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:10 | 6755995 Duc888
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it's a tax.  Get over it.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:13 | 6756010 RopeADope
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Except it has no lien or levy rights.

So it isn't.

Just manage your year-end tax liability/refund better and the IRS will never be able to get you to pay for Obamacare.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:56 | 6756159 nmewn
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The government is..."letting" PRIVATE CORPORATIONS tax us now?

Interesting.

What could possibly go wrong with this scenario? ;-)

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:45 | 6756310 bigkahuna
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You've thrown a real stinker at the automatons with that - I am going to use it, it should be entertaining. 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:40 | 6756892 Kirk2NCC1701
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LOL. Friend, it's been that way for over 100 years:

Think 1913.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:16 | 6756423 Duc888
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13 downvotes?  Really?  It's a fact, Judge Roberts voted it as a tax.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:05 | 6756600 dchang0
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One person's decree isn't enough to make it so. Obama taught us that, sure enough.

Judge whether it's a tax based on its actual characteristics. RopeADope is right--it has no lien nor levy rights.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:38 | 6757126 nmewn
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Roberts...along with...every other progressive-fascist on "the court". They all showed their true colors with one simple case, yes, you have a "choice"...it's just a false choice manufactured by them, where before you had a genuine voluntary choice.

So why is it not a tax if you buy health insurance, why is it then called "a purchase"? If the money is going to a corporation it can't be a tax.

The fact of the matter is, is that Roberts twisted his logic & reason into a pretzel in order to vote with the state & corporations against the people.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 10:18 | 6757647 detached.amusement
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and that's setting aside the fact that the judiciary can either give a thumbs up or thumbs down,

 

they have no authority to say "well I can give this ia thumbs up, here let me just change this and that here"  that is illegal and unconstitutional.

 

as is the executive doing so after its been in congress (and not rolling back through to have those changes approved)

 

top to bottom illegal and unconstitutional.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:10 | 6755996 seek
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I just got hit with a 20%-ish increase, and I've since been informed I'll be looking at another 25% starting Jan 1.

When these bills start hitting it's going to make this the political football for 2016.

Hillary will, of course, lie about her parties role in all this.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:06 | 6756165 nmewn
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Not-One-GOP-Vote-For-It...not one. "The stupidity of the American voter"...or sumpin.

////

And I have to say, watching Dim's rat out their fellow Dim's over these years as the fascists they are has brought me immense joy.

Keep it up ;-)

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:04 | 6756183 Yen Cross
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 The federal deficit is under $400 billion. That's because of, "lack of oil imports".

 Lack of production and energy demand. Not export driven growth.

 Yet still, the energy sector is being silently bailed out, because production costs are far higher to be profitable.

 If Saudi Aramco is spending down their sovereign assets, and they have dirt cheap extraction costs, who's subsidizing U.S. energy production debt portfolios?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:13 | 6756210 seek
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In the end the answer is always: The Fed, The Taxpayers, and old people with USD denominated savings in various forms that have negative real returns.

There's usually an intermediary or two between those three and the benefiting parties that, of course, takes their cut, too.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:09 | 6756198 Berspankme
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Mine went up 56%. I have a small business and business is down about 6% this year. I'm ready to pack it in. The people in this country don't seem to give a shit about anything other than facefuck.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:25 | 6756464 divingengineer
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This too shall pass, friend.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:45 | 6756537 new game
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i dont understand why u dont opt out and set aside those premiums for a rainy medical day.

i do. thousands. needed a hernia op. 6500 negotiated cash up front. otherwise straight from the bills about 12xxx the insurance cost. true dat...verifiable.

this is the actual rip off of third payor system with insurance comapany rip off middle scam.

yes the tip of the h.c. iceberg. layers of b.s. laws...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:12 | 6756005 Kirk2NCC1701
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Fly to Ljubljana (via LHR), put on your 'MENA Tan', accent and clothes, and join the Refugee Caravan.

Get your Refugee Papers, get free medical assistance and welfare in Austria and Germany.  Stay till you're well, then return home.  Thank angel Angela. 

/s

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:21 | 6756031 pliny the longer
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#freeshitarmy

 

seriously folks, we are at a point where you have to do what you can to take care of you and yours while screwing the man; gone are the days when you also looked out for your 'neighbor';  this here b a new 'merikka

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:37 | 6756093 Billy the Poet
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Your neighbor isn't the problem. Government is the problem. Most of my neighbors have the same complaints that I do.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:58 | 6756581 new game
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starting ti tink zh is yahoo...oh, my neighbors, ha.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:21 | 6756033 o r c k
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They keep taking from hard-working Americans even when there's nothing left to take. And then? Moar War.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:24 | 6756047 Latitude25
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Just took a medical vacation to S America. I don't even trust the quality of care in the US anymore.  They just tried to get my father to take an $800 pill in the hospital.  It's nothing but fraud now.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:30 | 6756070 Philo Beddoe
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Ahem...and  doctors make house calls in many latin and south american countries for about 20-50 USD. Sure it is not Marcus Welby but when you just want something to make you feel better when you are sick the fees are more than reasonable. 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:37 | 6756094 Latitude25
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Or you can go into a clinic and pay $5, take the Rx to a pharmacy and pay another $3 and voila, you're done.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:07 | 6756195 seek
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Doctors make house calls in the US, too.

What's insane is that I can sign up for a concierge doctor that's cash only for 1/3 of the cost my current health insurance plus a tiny visit fee. that's about the same as what you're citing.

Unfortunately that won't cover hospitalization or surgeries, should I need them, but as it stands, this doc has a huge office in the most expensive part of town and does housecalls  at an annual cost of $2,500, the same as the fucking deductible on my plan, which I have to pay about 9K a year for with zero services rendered. He's so much cheaper because he's not treating freeloading patients for "free," isn't dealing with wads of paperwork and paying his staff has to learn and remember the all important ICD-10 code of W5921XA for that tragic turtle incident.

We have a government crisis, and not a healthcare crisis, that is resulting in your suggestion of travel outside the US to third-world countries to see marginally trained doctors as being a perfectly rational response a health issue.

This is next-level crazy.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:43 | 6756291 Yen Cross
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 Many docs with private clinics and practices own the best equipment, and have multiple locations for healthcare access.

  The medical profession helped to redefine partnership exposure. LTD vs LLC and covenants of small S.Corps.

 Doctors understand liability. ;-)

  It's always a pleasure seek.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:44 | 6756306 Skateboarder
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Marginally trained? "Doctors" in the U.S., and I'm talking largely about the younger generation, are GoogleDocs or WebMDocs, i.e, they ask the patient for symptoms, plug in some search terms, come back with a guesstimate, and whip up a pillshake for the ailing "customer."

SIster had a minor case of temporarily pinched nerve in the back of the neck - I diagnosed the problem in five minutes of anatomy chart reading and "official" term lookup. She went to the "doctor" at Kaiser. Fool disappears for a few minutes after getting the symptom details (presumably Googling or WebMDing that shit) and comes back with the same response. The difference? I would prescribe certain neck exercises and rest postures for the next few days. "Doctor" would write up a pill (and I think he did).

I wouldn't trust a millennial "doctor" if my life depended on it.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 10:21 | 6757665 detached.amusement
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I've been misdiagnosed by every "doctor" I've ever seen, save the second opinion I got when I ruptured a disc in my back all those years ago (simply because it was that obvious)

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:17 | 6756767 Cornfedbloodstool
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Marcus Welby, that cracked me up+100.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:30 | 6756073 hotrod
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Everyone I know has HEALTHCARE STICKER SHOCK.  Obama deceived Everyone yet the GOP rallys around him to the tune of no deficit ceiling in 2016.  Hail Obama.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:40 | 6756103 Doubleguns
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Dem or Gop they all turn into skidders eventually. 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:03 | 6756912 Kirk2NCC1701
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Then a Hero needs to take out the Skidder Queen.
;-)

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:39 | 6756097 Neochrome
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Wait, the Obamacare website is actually functioning now? "Using this broader net, Bloomberg Government came up with a figure of $2.1 billion."  For a website. Only in America...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:50 | 6756113 jjsilver
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I got news for you, the real purpose of Obamacare is not to insure the uninsured. Further, Obamacare is voluntary and the tax does not apply to 99% of the people, but they are to lazy, to read and/or understand the Statutes. With that said, there is certainly fraud and misrepresentation going on by the government, but this has been going on for 200+ years.

Unfortunately, we were all born in the Matrix.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:01 | 6756179 Billy the Poet
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Rather than taunting those poor benighted individuals why not fill them in?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:04 | 6756189 StrangerInAStra...
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You don't have any idea what you are talking about.  Obamacare is mandated (law) in the U.S.  Everybody has to have an ACA compliant policy.  If you don't buy one, you get fined.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:12 | 6756758 NoBillsOfCredit
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Not if you don't owe any tax. Compensation is NOT INCOME!!!

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 13:23 | 6758436 BLUEJAY1111
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Not true! There are five faith-based cost sharing organizations that received exemptions from the ACA penalties; Liberty Healt Share is one of those organizations and you do not have to be  a card carrying member of any religious institution.  Here is a link to their website: http://www.libertyhealthshare.org/

So far my wife and I have received ~50% or our monthly fees back in medical reimbursements.  The monthly cost for a family of four is $399.

Tom Woods Radio Show had an interview wih the founder of LHS

 

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:18 | 6756224 atomp
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RIP Irwin Schiff

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:02 | 6756350 bigkahuna
Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:54 | 6756561 new game
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yes, there are exemptions. the tax may appear to be mandatory but it is not. it does not have to be paid, by irs own exemptions. read up dum fuk. some of the posters here are whinners too lazy to understand...

u have options.

compliance is not one of them.

posters here are too fuking scared of being rounded up by the irs for not paying an illegal tax. fuk u chicken shit mutha fuks.

bend over cause u r going first...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:34 | 6756796 bigkahuna
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For those interested in the aformentioned exemptions see:

http://obamacarefacts.com/form-8965-health-coverage-exemptions/

My point is that they have a line for this on the tax return - so exemption or not, they are still tracking the "shared responsibility" payment or lack thereof.

Feelings for the IRS aside.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 21:49 | 6756128 booboo
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Used to be a time when politicians would venture out in the public close to elections, you wont be seeing many incumbents getting no where near crowds unless they are scripted and by invitation only. They know whats waiting for them..muha..muhahaha...muhahahahahahahaha

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:17 | 6756163 Aquarius
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You think "Obamacare: is bad - wait until March 2016 and the TPP (and all its cousins) is signed into "Law", by guess who (by Decree?).

Then, there is Fukushima "radiation" on the West Coast of the Americas' - Payback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Open Criticality soon? Oh dear, denial in the embrace of Political Correct doesn't permit you to know about and or acknowledge this. This is going to turn out just great.

And then the whole US edifice which is crumbling into dust; schools, roads, highways. bridges, services, and oh boy, how are all those jobs going?

You Americans have a strange definition of "recovery". How about a full socio-economic collapse by Q4 2015? A Game the whole family can play?

http://verbewarp.blogspot.com.au/2006/07/global-economic-collapse-new-gl...

http://verbewarp.blogspot.com.au/2006/08/global-economic-collapse-part-i...

http://verbewarp.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/its-not-economy-stupid-its-econ...

Bet on it.

Ho hum


Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:05 | 6756172 MedicalQuack
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By the way, if you have United, read this about the doctors in network, so many paid at rates less than Medicare. 

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/07/doctors-in-network-leave-united.html

By the way if you choose a Cigna plan with Obamacare or a straight policy, your new pharmacy benefit manager is named United Healthcare as they bought the PBM company, Catamaran that Cigna uses a couple years ago signed a 10 year exclusive agreement with.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/10/if-you-are-insured-by-cigna-guess-what.html

Carlyle group, new chairman, James Welter, the Executive VP at United Healthcare to the CEO now.  The CEO of United just got elected to the board of Cargill, the evil twin company of Monsanto.  See where this is going?  Welters is a member of the boards of Lowes, West Pharmaceutical and CR Bard. 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:17 | 6756226 bunnyswanson
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Medicine has been turned into a racket.  I am just one example having had medical care and experiencing the sense I was being used as a source of fast-cash for the oncologist's next exotic vacation.  Since I am in the medical field, I was familiar with terminology and that saved my butt.  But, I had to refi my house, pull 20 grand and get 3 more opinions, send my slides to John Hopkins and a genetic laboratory.  Tumor was "nearly indolent" and in fact, shrinking from time of discovery (missed on mammogram 2 years prior and waited 4 months afterwards in order to gather the information to tell 3 oncologists, 2 radiation oncologists and 2 breast surgeons that I did not require chemotherapy for this particular tumor.  This was ten years ago.  Finally, it was noted on medical records that I was not a candidate. Otherwise, I would have been labeled noncompliant and refused care by anyone in the community.

FUBAR

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:17 | 6756922 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes. This is all baked into the DNA of the rent-seeking fiat USD and its owners on Wall St.

Eventually, all socially beneficial programs and Gov agencies fall under the spell of Federal Reserve's racketeering.

This paradigm shift is surprising to you, even [gasp] shocking?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:09 | 6756182 Demdere
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This is part of the cascading failures.  The US can't do much right any more, it is a broken system.  Everything in our national life is on the downswing at the same time.

Do not get used to this, instead get far ahead of this.  Normalcy bias is not your friend at the end of an era.

We live in a blizzard of lies and filters and frames and terrible things done in our name and against us in our name.  There is no way to play a negative sum game like this and win, we must stop playing dumb games.

Why can we not make our stupid government stop the dumb games?

Instead of doing that, they have us hating each other and walking toward war with each other.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/lebowski-enlightenments/

I think we humans have not been embarassed enough by our wars.  Is there one of them that we thought could NOT have been avoided, in wise hindsight?  This war is far worse than those, this is pure Israeli-neocon aggression, an attempt to establish a Jewish caliphate.  Muslims have zip power anywhere, so of course they are the big enemy, the huge threat.  Not home-town Jews with Israeli connections and MIC interests.  And Sharia Law is the huge threat, not Jewish Law.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0011_0_101...

How about let's all deal with reality for a while?  Leave ideology to politicians, and ignore them.  We people can organize ourselves, we do not need the brainless fools that have been running this world for the last 100 years.  The screwed up and have allowed far too many wars, including 2 rather large ones.  Mega-deaths is the cost of our style of government, the nation state.

We need to attend to that problem, it seems to me.

One other thing. ZH comments include quite a lot of very dumb, racist, anti-human comments.  We people who value humanity in all of its forms better start overwhelming those people with negative comments and rational argument, or they will convince our leaders that a war will be a good way to further distract the public from their crimes.  Get serious people, we need to own this debate.  We need it to be very clear to our leaders that they are NOT going to get away with another false flag and managed investigation.  Also that we didn't believe the last one, and know that they know we don't believe it.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/20/lebowski-enlightenment-7/

Think there have been no polls on 9/11 since 2008 because there is no public interest in what other people think about that?

Those of you who still believe in a free and unfettered press need to explain that to yourselves.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:07 | 6756369 NotApplicable
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As well as those who are complicit in the crime by believing in the idea of "our government."

You are guilty of every single problem written in this rant. Nothing is more anti-human that the incoherence you spout, as it provides them with cover.

I can only hope you are still young enough to recognize your lack of humanity.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:06 | 6756193 Aquarius
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From Roberts: The US Government at Work and Play for Fun and Profit:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/05/here-is-a-list-of-the-goon-thugs-murder-victims-to-date/

http://killedbypolice.net/

Must be great to live in the "Land of the Free".

Ho hum

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:15 | 6756219 Brooks_Orpington
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A little while ago, I had a fever.  But my deductible is so high I hesitated to see the doctor.  Fortunately, the only prescription was more cowbell.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:20 | 6756232 NoTTD
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My small business has always provided health insurance for all employees, with the option to add the spouse and/or kids.  For next year, our carrier was able to keep us out of Obamacare and we still got hit for a 16% increase - made up mostly of Obamacare taxes and fees.  That turned out to be the good news.

 

In '17, we will be forced into Obamacare.  We have always provided what would now be considered "Gold" level coverage under Ocare.  He is seeing an average increases for '16 at that level around 60%.  He expects that to increase dramatically as the system continues to collapse through '16.  We've had to advise the staff that we will have to consider our options after next year.  It seems almost certain we will have to drop the benefit.  For the first time ever.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:31 | 6756936 Kirk2NCC1701
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Time to find a Private Client MD.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:36 | 6757122 new game
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options are simple: cash and prenegotiate price when healthcare is needed.

all money spent on preventative healthcare include:bicycle, running and walking shoes, no sugar diet, no hormones, grass fed, range roamers, none monsanto food, essential oils, proper attitude to reduce stress, ability to say fuk you, and research...

 and with a some luck of the dna you and i remain distant of the medical ripoff complex.

banks, hospitals, guv buildings are off limits...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:23 | 6756239 silverer
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Obamacare reminds me of the original movie Alien, where the guy is leaning over that strange egg that starts to open, watching in fascination without realizing the danger, then suddenly it bursts open and that alien thing attaches to his face right through his face shield.  Once it's on, it's on for good.  Yep. Obamacare.  Then the nightmare begins...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:33 | 6756276 Ms No
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I am having a hard time telling the difference between Obamacare and asset forfeiture.  The differences are few, one is enforced by the cops and the other by the IRS.  Either way, someone is profiting off legalized theft and good luck getting your day in court.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:41 | 6756293 Intoxicologist
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I'm doing my part.

Sold my house, quit my (official) job, ditched the insurance. I'll be goddammed if I sign up for Obamasnare.

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:15 | 6756415 milo ballz
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The only good part about being a cancer survivor with huge medical bills is being exempt from the mess.  

 

 

ballz

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:51 | 6756323 henry chucho
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Basically,Obombacare has made getting sick a crime..I can see a "three hospital visits and your out" law being enacted real soon,in which your third illness is your last illness,because your going to exit the emergency room on a conveyer belt,as a little green tortilla chip..

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:55 | 6756333 Bill of Rights
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Bottom line folks, we warned , get healthy stay healthy. Me personally I seen this coming, I'm 49 years old no meds of any kind , I run everyday , no drugs, don't smoke , quit alcohol 3 years ago haven't Touched a drop since , and zero carbs, I feel healthier in my late 40's than I did in my college twenties. If I ever need treatment for an unforeseen ailment say bleeding out of my ass profusely, I'll negotiate and pay cash.,

Fuck hitler care...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:33 | 6756498 Clowns on Acid
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Bottom line... you should go back to drinking. Red wine will elongate your life. But then again if you were a raving feckin alcoholic ... stop braggin'.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 06:52 | 6757081 Rakksan
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"I seen this coming?"??????

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:07 | 6756372 Baby Eating Dingo22
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So what's a new vagina running these days?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:08 | 6756377 buzzsaw99
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affordable care, lulz. rape the middle class to pay for free shit army is more like it.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:43 | 6756527 MedicalQuack
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Do you folks not know that Andy Slavitt who's acting director of CMS and nominated for the job permanently by Obama is a one time Goldman Sachs banker!  He's made a lot of money, not only there but as a former big time executive of United Healthcare.  We want Senators to vote no on his confirmation and I think if it rolls past the end of this month, Obama has to renominate him. 

He was the CEO of Ingenix which is now Optum Insights.  

You can read more here about him with one of his lawsuits that he was given protection against by HHS secretary Burwell, who's in the 6 degrees of Bob Rubin group being a former chief of staff for him.  That's what's running healthcare.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/09/another-united-healthcare-ingenix.html

Slavitt also has immunity to freely work with United Healthcare in his current position of running CMS.  The man has done nothing to work on lowering drug prices, only lowering what doctors are paid.  

By the way if you choose a Cigna plan with Obamacare or a straight policy, your new pharmacy benefit manager is named United Healthcare as they bought the PBM company, Catamaran that Cigna a couple years ago signed a 10 year exclusive agreement with.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/10/if-you-are-insured-by-cigna-guess-what.html

Ingenix, the former United Healthcare company where Slavitt was CEO does a lot of clinical trials under other subsidiaries of that sub, and yes they want drugs out there to make money, so don't be fooled.  Slavitt is still 100% United at heart and why do you think they wanted him there.

Slavitt created the medication prediction adherence scoring, same guy and all the PBMs do it now using the old Ingenix algorithms that were created under his ruling there as CEO.   

By the way, Loretta Lynch will do nothing about the United Healthcare monopoly as she used to represent them in anti trust cases.  

Again, don't be fooled, Slavitt's old employer United makes a ton of money distributing drugs and mining and selling data about you and your prescriptions and for God's sakes, next time use the words of someone on our side and not this former Goldman Sachs banker!

Slavitt's United models and algorithms are working so well now that you are considered an Outlier if you pay cash.  

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/07/patients-who-pay-cash-when-filling.html

And of course United/Optum will give you an HSA account at their bank, yes, they own a bank with a MasterCard to empty out your account and track and mine you even more and get you to invest that hard earned money that's supposed to be for healthcare expenses, to also put that money in mutual funds.  Wake up folks...

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/10/united-healthcare-owns-bank-optum-bank.html

This one time Goldman Banker does not have your best interest at heart and this is who's running CMS and the health insurance business in the US.  

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:52 | 6756554 scatha
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Obamacare was nothing but a bailout of the health insurance companies who were on the verge of collapsing facing over 50 million uninsured and now receiving tens of thousands $ a year of taxpayer subsidies while they monopolize markets and raise premiums at rate that quadruple the nominal inflation.

All of that on background of demoralization of the  medical staff and medicine at large loaded with ponzi schemes, fake research, killer drugs and profit made from millions dead or dying from neglect or malpractice.

A quote from "MEDICAL SLAUGHTERHOUSE part 1."

 

.. in the US and unfortunately in some other countries, “successful” physicians’ true professional objective and purpose of their education, even if they deny it, is to seriously to moderately injure their heavily insured patients to the degree that would still allow them to cover exuberant fees and enormous drug costs, through private insurance or government or desperate family selling off all they got. Dying poor are left in pain to die, thrown out on the street pavements like dogs according to doctors Hypocritical, not Hippocratic oath as it was well documented on LA Skid Row few years ago.

 

Those few doctors who stayed honest and moral  to their patients, trying hard to help them against medical establishment corporate imposed (mis) treatments are pushed into poverty and to the margin of profession.

More on that at:

 

https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/random-thoughts/

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:00 | 6756585 Vendetta
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congress also controls the number of doctors produced each year by controlling the number of medical residencies that are FUNDED by the government.  

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm

They're all in bed together .... and Americans get screwed over by both 'parties'.  Liberal constituents wanted single payer healthcare not the government sanctioned corporate monopolization of healthcare with penalties for non-compliance. It would be really great if some who haven't already would finally wake up and smell the corruption emanating from DC.   I don't disagree with much in this article as I assessed 54 plans as a contractor and it cost me $17k to $21k including the deductibles (if used) a year for healthcare insurance.  Whatever anybody has said about obamacare being something good is either stupid or corrupt or both... though it certainly is cheaper if you are poor but how can someone 'poor' afford $200/mth premiums anyway?  Usually people want to have some food and utilities paid for.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:07 | 6756604 onmail1
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Shylocks rule

First they wanted your wallet

Then your house 

Then your car

Then your children

Finally they want your very life

Be a slave to cabals banksters , surrender your organs

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:47 | 6756782 BLUEJAY1111
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Attention All Sheople:

 

You are not being told about exemptions/alternatives to the ACA  Here is one example:

 

http://www.libertyhealthshare.org/

 

$399/mo. for a family of four and exempt from government extortion penalties.

 

You choose your doctor; coverage for alternative medicine as well.

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programs. 

 

 

 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:24 | 6757182 Old Poor Richard
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"Obamacare is an unequivocal disaster that has resulted in less job growth, small business closures, worse care, less options for consumers, higher health insurance premiums for all, and soaring profits among mega-insurers, mega-hospital corporations, drug conglomerates, drug stores, drug wholesalers, and the political campaign coffers of corrupt bought off politicians. It’s the gift that keeps taking from hard working Americans."

That's incorrect.  My premiums are unchanged for 2016.  People working for self-insured companies are not seeing rates rise because the cost of care isn't going up, only the cut going to the insurance industry is going up. 

This is what happens when the president invites industry lobbyists to write their own regulations and congress rolls over.  It already looks like the defense industry is handing the budget to Obama to submit, wondering when we'll catch that red-handed, and expect the reaction from congress and the public to be meh.  Government hasn't been this corrupt in a century.  The Obama regime is the archetype for 21st century banana republics.

It's a farce to think Obamacare wrecked the 'free market' when it is the inevitable product of the 'free market', meaning Wall Street's version of free markets where oligopolies write their own rules and destroy competition.  Anyone not a Ron Paul loving hard core libertarian saying they support free markets is an ugly liar, those people support oligopoly control of rigged markets and fear and loathe true free markets.  Ref. all the Republican top tier establishment hack candidates plus Trump.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 15:17 | 6759087 Blythes Master
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I used to get a 30% discount and 10 days grace period upon paying the bill from the ER.

Then along comes Odildocare.

The discount shrank to before you leave the ER.

Of course after you leave, the lab rats, radiologist, supply geeks, and other doctours pile on more costs.

I Went in to argue with billing about it and they said pay it or it goes to collections. I told them to pound sand and now, for the first time in many years, I have debt.

Thanks again Odildo!

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