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NY Attorney General Launches Crack Down On Exxon Over Global Warming Denial
Last May, when the Obama administration was furiously cracking down on the Kremlin in the aftermath of the CIA-backed Ukraine presidential coup and the resulting "territorial expansion" by Russia which promptly took over the Crimea peninsula (and is on its way to annexing the Donetsk republic) with attempts to "isolate" Russia, one prominent US company dared to defy the White House embargo and extended its partnership with Moscow.
This is what we posted last May: "Several of the largest oil companies in the world are doubling down in Russia despite moves by the West to isolate Russia and its economy. ExxonMobil and BP separately signed agreements with Rosneft – Russia’s state-owned oil company – to extend and deepen their relationships for energy exploration. The U.S. slapped sanctions on Rosneft’s CEO Igor Sechin in late April, freezing his assets and preventing him from obtaining visas.
However, the sanctions do not extend to Rosneft itself, allowing western companies to continue to do business with the Russian oil giant. ExxonMobil signed an agreement with Rosneft, extending its partnership to build a liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal on Russia’s pacific coast. Known as the Far East LNG project, the export terminal will receive natural gas from Russia’s eastern fields as well as from Sakhalin-1, an island off Russia’s east coast. Rosneft announced the deal in a press release on its website on May 23.
By defying the White House, the oil majors salvaged what would have otherwise been an embarrassing event for the Kremlin. The absence of the world’s largest companies would have demonstrated Russia’s increasing isolation. Instead, Russia used the event to detail plans to expand its massive energy sector. “(They're) eager to continue work on projects in Russia,” Russia’s Energy Minister Alexander Novak said of ExxonMobil and Royal Dutch Shell.
To be clear, the oil companies are not legally running afoul of international sanctions. But their collective shrug in the face of European and American pressure to boycott Russia – along with the $400 billion natural gas deal Russia signed with China last week – illustrates the difficulty with which the West will have at undermining Russia’s energy sector, if it chose to do so. Russia is too big of a prize for the likes of ExxonMobil, BP, and Shell. Or viewed another way, the moves to deepen business in Russia suggest that the world’s biggest oil companies are confident that the U.S. and Europe won’t be so bold as to truly attack Russia’s energy machine.
To be sure, back than oil was over $100, and perhaps now that it is below $50 a different reality would have been unveiled, but for all intents and purposes, the take home was that while Obama was scrambling to show a united front in his ideological war against Russia, Exxon dared to cross Obama's latest "red" line.
And now it's payback time.
As the NYT reports, the New York AG has "begun a sweeping investigation of Exxon Mobil to determine whether the company lied to the public about the risks of climate change or to investors about how those risks might hurt the oil business."
According to people with knowledge of the investigation, Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman issued a subpoena Wednesday evening to Exxon Mobil, demanding extensive financial records, emails and other documents.
The NYT adds that "the focus includes the company’s activities dating to the late 1970s, including a period of at least a decade when Exxon Mobil funded groups that sought to undermine climate science."
It is unclear just which science is envisioned: perhaps the "science" that was purchased thanks to the more than $79 billion in "climate change" money spent in the 21st century as the infamous 2009 Climate Money report by Joanne Nova revealed.
Or perhaps it was the "science" that Australia PM Tony Abbott dared to challenge? Recall Abbott previously questioned the reliability of climate science, and had proceed to probe the "statistics and data" behind the Australian Bureau of Meteorology. This "probe" threatened a potentially massive revenue stream for Goldman in the form of carbon credits, and which is why Abbott was replaced by Malcolm Turnbull: a former Chairman of Goldman Sachs Australia from 1997 to 2001.
Which "science" the NY AG is referring to is unclear, but one thing is clear: Exxon has dared to deny "climate change" and now it must be punished. As the NYT says "a major focus of the investigation is whether the company adequately warned investors about potential financial risks stemming from society’s need to limit fossil-fuel use."
A "need" spearheaded, incidentally, by the "bleeding heart humanitarian" and infinite humanist, Goldman Sachs, which stands to make billions from such programs as cap-and-trade. Here is a quick reminder of just how Goldman's profit motive is aligned with the "science" Obama finds beneficial to society, from 2009:
it’s early June in Washington, D.C. Barack Obama, a popular young politician whose leading private campaign donor was an investment bank called Goldman Sachs – its employees paid some $981,000 to his campaign – sits in the White House. Having seamlessly navigated the political minefield of the bailout era, Goldman is once again back to its old business, scouting out loopholes in a new government-created market with the aid of a new set of alumni occupying key government jobs.Gone are HankPaulson and Neel Kashkari; in their place are Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson and CFTC chief Gary Gensler, both former Goldmanites. (Gensler was the firm’s co-head of finance.) And instead of credit derivatives or oil futures or mortgage-backed CDOs, the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits – a booming trillion dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an “environmental plan,” called cap-and-trade.
The new carbon-credit market is a virtual repeat of the commodities-market casino that’s been kind to Goldman, except it has one delicious new wrinkle: If the plan goes forward as expected, the rise in prices will be government-mandated. Goldman won’t even have to rig the game. It will be rigged in advance.
Here’s how it works: If the bill passes, there will be limits for coal plants, utilities, natural-gas distributors and numerous other industries on the amount of carbon emissions (a.k.a. greenhouse gases) they can produce per year. If the companies go over their allotment, they will be able to buy “allocations” or credits from other companies that have managed to produce fewer emissions: President Obama conservatively estimates that about $646 billion worth of carbon credits will be auctioned in the first seven years; one of his top economic aides speculates that the real number might be twice or even three times that amount.
The feature of this plan that has special appeal to speculators is that the “cap” on carbon will be continually lowered by the government, which means that carbon credits will become more and more scarce with each passing year. Which means that this is a brand-new commodities market where the main commodity to be traded is guaranteed to rise in price over time. The volume of this new market will be upwards of a trillion dollars annually; for comparison’s sake, the annual combined revenues of all’ electricity suppliers in the U.S. total $320 billion.
Goldman wants this bill. The plan is (1) to get in on the ground floor of paradigm-shifting legislation, (2) make sure that they’re the profit-making slice of that paradigm and (3) make sure the slice is a big slice. Goldman started pushing hard for cap-and-trade long ago, but things really ramped up last year when the firm spent $3.5 million to lobby climate issues. (One of their lobbyists at the time was none other than Patterson, now Treasury chief ofstaff.) Back in 2005, when Hank Paulson was chief of Goldman, he personally helped author the bank’s environmental policy, a document that contains some surprising elements for a firm that in all other areas has been consistently opposed to any sort of government regulation. Paulson’s report argued that “voluntary action alone cannot solve the climate-change problem.” A few years later, the bank’s carbon chief, Ken Newcombe, insisted that cap-and-trade alone won’t be enough to fix the climate problem and called for further public investments in research and development. Which is convenient, considering that Goldman made early investments in wind power (it bought a subsidiary called Horizon Wind Energy), renewable diesel (it is an investor in a firm called Changing World Technologies) and solar power (it partnered with BP Solar), exactly the kind of deals that will prosper if the government forces energy producers to use cleaner energy. As Paulson said at the time, “We’re not making those investments to lose money.”
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Cap-and-trade is going to happen. Or, if it doesn’t, something like it will. The moral is the same as for all the other bubbles that Goldman helped create, from 1929 to 2009. In almost every case, the very same bank that behaved recklessly for years, weighing down the system with toxic loans and predatory debt, and accomplishing nothing but massive bonuses for a few bosses, has been rewarded with mountains of virtually free money and government guarantees – while the actual victims in this mess, ordinary taxpayers, are the ones paying for it.
And, best of all, Goldman's next and potentially perhaps largest ever revenue stream has the cover of doing what is "socially right", and is, according to the NY AG, "backed by science."
That, in a nutshell, are the two sides of the "climate change" debate, and without taking either side, we show whose financial interests are most at stake.
But back to Exxon, whose financial interests are certainly at stake now that it is suddenly in the crosshairs of allegedly denying "climate change", a charge which will result in billions in settlement fees or worse.
Here is the NYT:
The Exxon Mobil investigation might expand further, to encompass other oil companies, according to the people with knowledge of the case, though no additional subpoenas have been issued to date.
The people spoke on the condition they not be identified. The Martin Act, a New York state law, confers on the attorney general broad powers to investigate financial fraud.
Mr. Schneiderman’s decision to scrutinize the fossil-fuel companies may well open a sweeping new legal front in the battle over climate change. To date, lawsuits trying to hold fossil-fuel companies accountable for the damage they are causing to the climate have been failing in the courts, but most of those have been pursued by private plaintiffs.
Attorneys general for other states could join in Mr. Schneiderman’s efforts, bringing far greater investigative and legal resources to bear on the issue. Some experts see the potential for a legal assault on fossil fuel companies similar to the lawsuits against the tobacco companies in recent decades, costing those companies tens of billions of dollars in penalties.
“This could open up years of litigation and settlements in the same way that tobacco litigation did, also spearheaded by attorneys general,” said Brandon L. Garrett, a professor at the University of Virginia law school. “In some ways, the theory is similar — that the public was misled about something dangerous to health. Whether the same smoking guns will emerge, we don’t know yet.”
The premise behind the probe is whether Exxon was "funding", and thus influencing, the other side of the argument, namely "deniers".
The sources said the attorney general’s investigation of Exxon Mobil began a year ago, focusing initially on what the company had told investors over the course of decades about the risks that climate change might pose to its business.
News reporting in the last eight months added impetus to the investigation, the sources said. In February, several news organizations, including The New York Times, reported that a Smithsonian researcher who had published papers questioning established climate science, Wei-Hock Soon, had received extensive funds from fossil fuel companies, including Exxon Mobil, without disclosing them.
This reminds us of the NYT's other expose on "pay-for-research" professors such as University of Houston's very own Craig Pirrong who recently made waves reporting that commodity traders are not a "systemic risk" when it quickly became clear that they are. However, the truth is that there have been such anti-intellectual mercenaries for decades: people who will goalseek a conclusion to benefit the party that commissioned the study; Pirrong is just one of them, Wei-Hock Soon may be another, but what about the tens of billions spent to fund research slamming "climate change deniers" which incidentally, is far more prevalent and far more pervasive among the progressive media than the counter?
Logic aside what happens next is that "climate change deniers" will be treated just the same as big tobacco.
That struck some experts as similar to the activities of tobacco companies that had contrived scientific papers to suggest that smoking was safe, ultimately leading to court findings that they had defrauded the public.
More recently, Inside Climate News and The Los Angeles Times have reported that Exxon Mobil was well aware of the risks of climate change from its own scientific research, and used that research in its long-term planning for activities like drilling in the Arctic, even as it funded groups from the 1990s to the mid-2000s that denied serious climate risks.
To be sure, Exxon has a different take on things.
Mr. Cohen, of Exxon, said on Thursday that the company had made common cause with such groups largely because it agreed with them on a policy goal of keeping the United States out of a global climate treaty called the Kyoto Protocol.
Ah yes, the Kyoto Protocol treaty which commits member states to reduce greenhouse gases emissions, and which the overly sensitive about global climate change United States (together with India and China) has refused to sign and has said will not ratify any treaty that will commit it from legally reducing CO2 emissions.
It is almost as if the US is applying a double standard: one when applying moral suasion in preaching what is good for the public, and why Exxon must be punished, and a totally different one when actually implementing the pursuit of reducing cabon emissions.
But everyone knows the US would never do that.
As for Exxon, "Wall Street analysts reacted to the legal action against Exxon Mobil with mixed concerns about a company that, like other oil and gas companies, is already suffering from a plunge in commodity prices. "This is not good news for Exxon Mobil or Exxon Mobil shareholders,” said Fadel Gheit, a senior oil company analyst at Oppenheimer & Company. “It’s a negative, though how much damage there will be to reputation or performance is very hard to say.”
Brian Youngberg, senior energy analyst at Edward Jones, said, “There is headline risk, but the actual financial impact will not affect the company for a long time, if ever. I think there will be a modest overhang.”
And that is precisely what Obama wants: to keep a lid, both literally and metaphorically, on yet another sector, and have all the leverage (mostly monetarily) over an industry that for the past decade was one of the few bright spots in the US economy. Because soon energy companies, like banks, like biotechs, are about to become another "utility" of the government which will decide just how much profit is fair, and how much isn't... and has to go into the government's pocket.
More importantly, as the title suggest, with this salvo, it is now open season on "climate change deniers" everywhere. And it will certainly teach companies far and wide to defy Obama in public and make a global mockery of his ironclad foreign policy.
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Parasites looking for quick fix.
YES Madam President Elect!!!
http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-calls-for-exxon-probe-after-compa...
It is alredy decided...
I blame 'Global Warming' on the Clovis Indian culture who started the whole thing by driving Chevy Suburbans and reversing the ice sheet 10,000 years ago.
The US meet the target of the Kyoto treaty WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/05/usa-meets-kyoto-protocol-without-e...
Amazing what an economic slowdown and oil price increase can do. Of course none of that matters to the global warming idiots. It's not about reducing CO2 emissions. It's about giving control of the economy to a small elite group of unelected and unaccountable socialists.
What we know for sure about “climate change”:
Many of the climate scientists are frauds who have not been investigated or prosecuted.
EVERYTHING else is mumbo-jumbo propaganda seeking to enrich the oligarches.
Someone's got to stop this mathematician's society from analyzing and reviewing data - they just won't drink the koolaid.
French Mathematicians Blast UN’s ‘Costly & Pointless Crusade’ Against Global Warminghttp://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/french-mathematicians-blast-uns-absurd-crusade-against-global
"I was told there would be no MATH!" scream thousands of basement dwelling unemployed liberal arts graduates.
I guess going after MF Global was too hard ...
Putin calls Global Warming "A Fraud"...
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/29/russias-putin-says-global-warming-is-a...
Can the AG go after these people??
Earth Day Predictions -From 1970
Here are some predictions made on the occasion of Earth Day 1970.
“We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”
• Kenneth Watt, ecologist
“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
• George Wald, Harvard Biologist
“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.”
• Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist
“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
• New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day
“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,”
• Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day
“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
• Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University
“Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
• Life Magazine, January 1970
“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
Stanford's Paul Ehrlich announces that the sky is falling.
“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
“We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.”
• Martin Litton, Sierra Club director
“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
• Sen. Gaylord Nelson
“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
Don't let a fake crisis go to waste. Different problem, same prescription. Therefore, politics, not science.
- Ned
One World Government Initially Emerging As Global CO2 ‘Management’ Regime
“Global Carbon Control Matrix” taking shape ... fast
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=15986
"NWO Cabal Pursues Total Dominion Over The Earth’s Weather And Natural Resources"
You've gotta be a moron not to see that AGW is real. What's happening in the reactions to it, is that the parties involved take something real and distort it to serve their own ends. This is a classic CIA ploy. It's called disinformation. Disinformation only works if 90% of the information is true. It's the other 10% that qualifies it as disinformation. So is global warming real? Absolutely. Everything else is just using that reality to achieve your goal. In that asshole Gore's case, it's to generate millions of dollars for himself. With the oil companies, it's to generate millions of dollars for themselves, in other cases...well, you get the idea. So the NWO is using something real to suit their purpose. That doesn't make it less real.
Anyone here ever read the Origin of Species? No? Then what the fuck do you know about evolution? Despite being incredibly detailed and written in an anacronistic style, it creates (or did for me) an incredible vision of the process of life on earth. When I hear idiots say 'I don't believe in evolution,' obviously never having actually educated themselves about it, I just feel hopeless for mankind.
Lotsa them here at ZH lol
Apparently coming out of Ice Ages tends to fool the less informed like you, your great-great-great grand kids will curse you as they freeze to death wearing grass skirts you passed down to them while burrowing themselves into the frozen tundra trying to live another day.
If I did what these fucktards do in my daily duties, I would be in jail and many people would probably be dead.
You simply cannot start at a conclusion, then work back with a model that gets you there, and then massage the data to make the model work.
Besides the fact that anything outside of the modeller's capability is taken as a constant, which ends up being massaged to help the model work.
I guess the AGW endgame is following the same path.
Conclusion: Politics needs more control on the human farm.
Enter casus bellie: AGW
Then fit the data to show man is harming the climate by changing it (and thus wrongly accepting stasis as the norm).
Voila, better control of the human farm.
pods
Takes one to know one
https://youtu.be/ra1M7XyyIDA
Shouldn't you be on the porch?
With monkeys like you? If your brain was chocolate it wouldn't fill an M&M.
"I won't let the AGW take away mah FREEDUMBS!"
frickin moron
You are the freaking moron, you cannot even spell and are too dumb to turn on the spell checker to help you out.
Why do you frauds call it Climate Change instead of Global Warming. It is because the real data does not support it.
You are a joke. Even nature is in on it. That's why few years ago when all these Global Warming frauds had their huge event in Copenhagen the city got snowed in. Copenhagen is a city with a marine climate and snow there is extremely rare, but the city was buried in the white stuff while all these concerned environmentalists where flying in from across the globe and then driving around in limousines. Hypocrites.
World Population is projected to peak around 2060 and fall.
So long term, 45 years, human driven climate change is solved.
The End.
OK. It doesn't exist now, so sound the "all clear". Right now.
QUick! Someone get a Scientist!! ....or at least a science guy....
I so hope that was a Bill Nye joke.
I hope you aren't one Pinch, you are a bit 'Hot under the collar it seems. looking at your picture. For myself I 'believe' the World is warming up a bit right now, it sure seems warmer than it did when I was a kid, of course I used to walk everywhere then, I have a car now so my perception of reality is different.
I know a man who has a PHD in Theology, he knows all there is to know about the science of God and religion, he ,says, he knows which religion is the real one, which of course is the one he practices, he doesn't tell people what he knows about that as he doesn't like crowds and wants to go to a Heaven with lots of empty space in it.
The climate has been changing since the World began, at one time there wasn't even any oxygen here, the World is going to continue to change, if you know which way it is changing your best bet is to try and adapt to the new reality unfolding not give your money to the Weather man, and his science, who promises; if I only had a little more money I can make it stop and turn it back to the way it used to be, with a little more money, did I mention that it takes money, only the Money God and my science can set things right!
>>>> I know a man who has a PHD in Theology, he knows all there is to know about the science of God and religion,<<<<
SCIENCE????? seriously, did you just equate religion with science??
No Barking Cat I equated the science of Weather with Religion!
I think we need to frame the debate the right way. My thesis: whether global warming, if real, is man-made is irrelevant because global warming is good. Period.
The idea that "warmer is bad" is just omphalos syndrome: those people think we are the pinnacle of history and that whatever the temperature was 100 years ago is the "right" temperature.
Speaking of fucktards ...
https://youtu.be/ra1M7XyyIDA
Pinch; guess how many carbon dioxide molecules there are ON AVERAGE in 1000 molecules of air? The answer is ........less than one crummy molecule. Out of 2000 molecules (selected randomly from the gases that comprise air) about one molecule is carbon dioxide. That's all. The CO2 global warming link is a scam!!!!! Banksters want more money and I say to hell with them...They need to all be forcefully moved to a certain country on the Med where we they can be isolated and assaulted.
Anyway, water molecules have about a 3-5 x greater heat capacity than CO2 (if I remember my physical chemistry). It started when Margaret Thatcher wanted to break the British coal union by enlisting the Green party on the side of building nuclear plants in England. She offered money to scientists to connect CO2 to global cooling, but then temperatures warmed and she decided to pay any scientist who could link CO2 with global warming. The problem is that most CO2 is stored in the ocean which releases CO2 when the earth warms and stores it when the earth cools, with a lag of about 400 years. The data clearly shows CO2 levels lagging temperature.
The solar sun spot cycle gives the proper prediction of the changes in the earth's temperatur with a lag of about 1 year; basically sun spots mean the sun has plasma flows that create unbalanced magnetic fields that can extend out to the earth's orbit; the fields deflect cosmic particles so that they don't hit the earth around the equator and clouds don't form as often. Less clouds mean more solar radiation is absorbed than deflected back to space so the earth heats up. The opposite though is happening now; few solar sun spots has resulted in more cosmic rays hitting the earth causing more cloud formation around the equator. There is more ice in the Antartic than 5 years ago. This explains the year to year variations well
But the point is that CO2 LAGS GLOBAL TEMPERATURE CHANGES BY 400 YEARS!!!!!!!
ALL ELSE IS PURE BANKSTER CRAP. The religion of GREED AND SLAVERY IS LOCATED IS HEADQUARTED IN ISRAEL. The banksters and their co-religionists need to be all sent over there by force and isolated. They are a total obstacle to continued progress of the Enlightenment that started in the 1500's in Europe.
So Putin is wrong?
(duplicate reply)
Obviously Putin is not going to attack the Banksters on the global warming hoax right now as he is engaged in building a coalition of Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis, and Iranians in Syria to create a permanent Iranian presence on the border of Israel. This step is necessary to surround Israel with hostile countries and apply pressure to Nuttyahoo until he does something foolish like try to expel the palestinians (all that would do is create a hostile Jordan, Europe, and even alienate some American christian zombies). The next country to turn against Israel will be Egypt (once the link to the Russian plane crash and Mossad comes out) and then Saudi Arabia (when the monarchy executes the Shia religious leader and the shia who dominate the saudi oil field areas take up arms). All this takes time as Putin is playing chess. He is sacrificing a pawn only. The US will be neutralized by China (which is playing the same game as Russia regarding AGW) financially area while Russia neutralizes the US militarily and Israel begins to act crazier and crazier.
The war is on. It will last a good 20-30 years but in the end, the USA will be broke, the Bankstes will be exilled or in jail. A thermonuclear exchange may happen over Syria but the bankster's that run the US won't unleash a catastrophe like that on the border of their little heaven on the Med. So Russia can go in their hard and the result will be a permananet Iranian presence on Israels border, complete with missles ...etc.
Now you're saying he's lieing & just playing politics. ok.
Hey retard. The northern hemisphere was significantly warmer 1000 years ago.
That is why the are old Viking settlements being discovered in Greenland as some of the ice melted.
Al? Is that you?
Does your handle refer to your IQ?
Hey Superay, did you not get the talking point? Its not GW anymore...its "climate change". They can't use GW cause temps have been same since 1997.
This last summer wasn't much different from the previous 14 (since we've lived here that long). Last winter was not unusual either. These things come and go. It is called weather. Now, sing along with me,
The sun will come out tomorrow...
Paleontologist Tim Flannery, hand-picked, in 2011, by Julia Guillard, when she was Australian Prime Minister, to lead the taxpayer-funded Climate Commission is also infamous for his foot-in-mouth quotes. In 2007, during a drought that affected Sydney's water supply (dam levels fell to 35%), he said climate change would mean that "Sydney would receive 60% less rainfall than usual". He also said "the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems". Soon after Timmy said this, the rains returned to Sydney to the point that the dams around Sydney have been overflowing and flooding settlements downstream. One commentator here said that Tim Flannery "missed the mark by 2,360,104,00,00 litres" (i.e. the capacity of the half-dozen dams that supply Sydney).
A desalination plant that was built 5 years ago (but planned some years prior, partly in response to Flannery-style alarmism), at a cost of US$1.5 billion, has been in mothballs for most of the past 5 years because the flooding rains have reduced the need for it. Cost of keeping the de-sal plant in mothballs? US$350,000 per DAY !!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Desalination_Plant#Controversies
Flannery is a believer in the barmy-as-batshit concept of Gaia. In an interview with The Guardian newspaper in 2011, Flannery revealed his mystical "side":--
"for the first time, this global super-organism, this global intelligence will be able to send a signal, a strong and clear signal to the earth. And what that means in a sense is that we can, we will be a regulating intelligence for the planet. I'm sure, in the future...And lead to a stronger Gaia, if you will, a stronger earth system."
In his book, "The Weather Makers", published in 2005, he says that a failure to act on climate change may eventually force the creation of a global carbon dictatorship, which he calls the "Earth Commission for Thermostatic Control" to regulate carbon use across all industries and nations -- a level of government intrusion that Flannery describes as "very desirable"
AlGore has a record of causing snowfall in the Winter whenever he speaks of AGW. ;-)
Putin calls Global warming a fraud!!!!!!!!!
President Putin says 28SEP15@UNGA:
Ladies and gentlemen, one more issue that shall affect the future of the entire humankind is climate change. It is in our interest to ensure that the coming UN Climate Change Conference that will take place in Paris in December this year should deliver some feasible results. As part of our national contribution, we plan to limit greenhouse gas emissions to 70–75 percent of the 1990 levels by the year 2030.
However, I suggest that we take a broader look at the issue. Admittedly, we may be able to defuse it for a while by introducing emission quotas and using other tactical measures, but we certainly will not solve it for good that way. What we need is an essentially different approach, one that would involve introducing new, groundbreaking, nature-like technologies that would not damage the environment, but rather work in harmony with it, enabling us to restore the balance between the biosphere and technology upset by human activities.
It is indeed a challenge of global proportions. And I am confident that humanity does have the necessary intellectual capacity to respond to it. We need to join our efforts, primarily engaging countries that possess strong research and development capabilities, and have made significant advances in fundamental research. We propose convening a special forum under the auspices of the UN to comprehensively address issues related to the depletion of natural resources, habitat destruction, and climate change. Russia is willing to co-sponsor such a forum.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50385
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Look closely at this link Zero Hedge, this is straight from Putin.
Care to explain the discrepency Zer0head? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Obviously Putin is not going to attack the Banksters on the global warming hoax right now as he is engaged in building a coalition of Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis, and Iranians in Syria to create a permanent Iranian presence on the border of Israel. This step is necessary to surround Israel with hostile countries and apply pressure to Nuttyahoo until he does something foolish. The next country to turn against Israel will be Egypt and then Saudi Arabia. All this takes time as Putin is playing chess. He is sacrificing a pawn only. The US will be neutralized by China (which is playing the same game as Russia regarding AGW) financially area while Russia neutralizes the US militarily.
The war is on and Putins intentions will be protected by a bodyguard of lies at times .
So Putin joins the crowded slippery slope (we got OBL!)? Integrity is foresaken. When and how will we ever know when he is or is not lieing?
Default position says: do not trust, the whole address was a lie because YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
YOUR COGNITIVE DISSONANCE IS SHOWING maxwellsdemon
MB:
When his lips is or is not moving.
- Ned
Simply a ruse while salivating over the carbon tax slush fund they want imposed. Will hit every walk of life.
+1 macholatte
Anyone who's ever taken a course in geology knows that the climate of planet Earth is dynamic: We are always moving towards the next Ice age or the next Tropic age. Thousands of years from now Manhattan will be under 500 feet of ice and it is sheer hubris/sophistry to think anyone can do anything to change that. What They are trying to do is monetize it. Good luck with that.
You have to wonder how many CEO's are researching the prices for contract killers. Sometimes there's just no recourse.
God, if only that were true. At the very least this piece of steaming shit Schneiderman should be disbarred forthwith and forced to resign his position. Any judge hearing his bullshit should threaten him with sanctions for wasting the courts and the publics time.
Makes you miss Spitzer.
Glad I moved outta that God forsaken shithole.
pods
"Climate Scientists" predict 170F temperature will kill everyone in the Persian Gulf by end of century...
http://time.com/4087092/climate-change-heat-wave/
It's either that or thermonuclear war. I'll take my chances with the weather, thanks.
The whole Arabian peninsula will just sink into the ocean with how much oil they have removed from the ground.
All the 'rabs and Persians would die.
And nothing of value would be lost.
.
It would be better if DC and NYC sink into the ocean
doubled
Actually, nuffin' wrong with that, come to think about it .....
Based on a study that selects just this specific slice of time:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?sat=4&sst=6&type=ano...
Notice that even though the Antarctic is colder, what the rest of the world is fucking doing.
I love that such a rigged dataset gets published and the right-wing media go apeshit monkeynuts over it.
Right. And the left wing asshats say that the issue is settled so anyone who even questions the facts and logic (you know, like scientists are supposed to do) must be prosecuted. Go fuck yourself
"Let's make a study, and select just the years 1992-2001, 2003-2008, just the antarctic, so that right-wing asshats can feel good about themselves."
I see you've taken your Stupidamin(tm). "It keeps you comfortable while watching television."
That's rich, calling out someone for cherry picking something to support their cause.
Alanis Morissette is on line 1, she heard you have something actually ironic to put into her song.
pods
The reality is that somehow you must work in a field that will benefit from the global warming rhetoric. In that case, I think it might be appropriate to quote Mr. Upton Sinclair:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
Have you ever taken a probability and statistics course in college?
They teach all kinds of funny things. One of these things tells you that the sample size used by these climate frauds is insignificant and absolutely useless. All they get is statistical noise. .... and that's if they even used the actual data.
There will always be a cottage industry keeping you turds insulated from reality. Fuck all of you. The Oil companies played you, and you don't have the fucking balls to look yourself in the mirror and admit it.
Wow... it looks like the entire planet is toasting up... even the US which is simply not possible.
Of course you already know the highest temperatures in the USA were recorded in the 1930's so basically that pretty picture of yours is complete horseshit... here's the BEFORE AND AFTER the GISS adjustments
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1998changesannotated.g...
And just in case you still disagree you might want to first check out the record high temperatures set for every state you little disinformation monkey you. Then again you probably don't...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_temperature_extremes
That cannot be right. It shows more record lows in the last 40 years and more record highs 100 years ago. Something crazy going on up in here.
So, "Thought Police" is now a literal term, not just figurative.
Closer to the edge, bitchez.
OUTREGEOUS!
In the old days they tortured and burned heretics, seems when the Jews get involved it becomes another money thing.
pods
we all pay moar for armies of lawyers and green wack job guv lunies...
I believe in global warming...
AND THAT'S WHY I PROPOSE THAT EVERY COW SHOULD HAVE A BUTPLUG!
We also need to build spaceships that will transport those buttplugs out to the cattle on Mars & Saturn's moon Titan.
Here is the biggest parasites of them all. The illuminati
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72rOaPeTCVI
The U.S Military Will Use Weather as a Weapon on AMERICAN Citizenshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA
Geoengineering Whistleblower ~ Ex-Military ~ Kristen Meghan, Hauppauge, NY, January 18th, 2014More proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0BFZXf1sA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtcFJGwQ2Q4
More proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iLSSctVPsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yy_g3WIBY4
Why is ZH denying climate change? Its definitely real and obvious with anyone that bothers to actually take the time to understand it. Here Exxon had an interst in supressing climate change facts, hmmm sound familiar? Daniel Ivandjeski is not a climate scientist, he's a great Tyler but this Tyler is making his website look like right wing trash.
Please tell us more.
Will you burn us at the stake if we dare to not accept your religion?
You don't have to accept facts, you will see it for yourself. I don't understand what you have to lose in not believing it, unless your a multinational corporation that loves polluting.
If people "believe" this garbage, laws are easy to pass. And where do you think that 4 trillion is gonna come from?
pods
Yeah pods, that President Putin, what a sucker. LULZ, now they even have him believing this garbage. What a useful idiot Putin has become. Remember back in the good old days when Putin said global warming would be great for Russia. lol. What a tool. The banksters are just playing him like a fiddle now. Goldman Sachs are thrilled they finally got Putin singin' a new tune.
LULZ
snake:
I've been waiting for a dozen years. Could you give me a small clue what I'm supposed to look for? Like the sea levels rise when the Arctic ice cap melts 'n' shit? Or what?
Congratulations, you win the NEA grammar award for this thread.
- Ned
{it is too bad that there is no NEA logic award, you'd be in competition for a participant trophy there as well}
Snake, Does my foot solidly up your stupid ass help the cause or must I stick my fist in your ignorant mouth as well to cut CO2?
No, that is not Solid Snake. Stop impersonating him.
Solid Snake is both correct and an idiot - Yes, there is such a thing as climate change. The climate has been changing for bilions of years. Change is one of the only constants in the entire universe.
Sometimes there are ice ages - thousands of years of frozen seas, advancing glaciers and permafrost reaching almost to the tropics. Sometimes it swings completely the other way and forests grow on Antarctica. Oceans levels had risen and fallen hundreds of times before humans even existed. The real fuckwits are the ones who think that humans can stop the climate from changing.
Another group of "fckwits" are the ones who think another 3 feet of sea level rise is catastrophic, when sea levels have risen HUNDREDS of FEET over the last few thousand years. I can't even keep a straight face when i hear that.
The weather cannot be reliably predicted 5-10 days out. Yet you are willing to believe that scientists know what is going to happen YEARS in advance?
Use your head.
There's only ONE CERTAINTY.......if all you asshats are wrong and Global Warming is in fact real and all those glaciers that have basically disappeared in the last 50 years and all the 100 year floods happening every year are in fact real then we're all truly fucked.....but the good news!!!! SO ARE YOU
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAH
Fucking love it!! Imagine the giant pair of warm doney balls all you american asshats will be sucking on as you sink into e.v.e.n.m.o.r.e.i.g.n.o.r.a.n.c.e.............blip.
remember YOU ASSHATS HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING SINCE 1913!!!! Why are you all sooo right now about something way beyond your collective IQ??? IF you're wrong like everything else a.k.a Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, El Salvador, Grenada, Nicuragua and on and on and on and on
WHY ARE YOU ALL SO RIGHT ABOUT THE CLIMATE NOW??
You guys have proven to be nothing but a bunch of self righteous, ignorant, imperialistic, hyper-corporate fuck tards for the last 100 years. How is it you're all STILL NOT DOING YOUR MASTERS BIDDING??
You all need to be left behind for being so emphatic in thinking you are right when history shows us all you are a bunch of fools.
Please just ALL stay inside your borders, kill yourselves and stop fucking around the globe trying to take everything over.
Wow, you are one ignorant asshole. Actually I take it back; you are not ignorant as ignorance is based on a lack of knowledge. You're simply stupid. You read everyone's posts here and see that as a collective the people who post here are against war unless the country itself is threatened and yet you somehow try to fault the same people for wars that were commited against their wishes.
To top it off, YOU are the one doing your masters bidding. How does that Goldman cocks taste??? Do you caress Goldman's balls also???
You are on a mission to ensure that Goldman has a big fat carbon credits trade going for the next few decades.
Or even better, do you think they know the temperature of the *past* to any certainty inside of 10 degrees? Mankind didn't have weather satellites until 1975. Yet everyone is going to pretend we had a lock on mean surface temps, precise to tenths of a fucking degree, for the entire globe in 1900? In 1500? Even today, and even in the US, the density of weather stations isn't sufficient to be that accurate.
What was the average temperature of the Atlantic Ocean in 1835? How about the entire Arctic cap or the whole African continent? To even think those questions have an answer means you're a drooling idiot. Do you know how we used to log the temps of the oceans? Some random ships, in random parts of the vast waters of the Earth, at random times, would lower a bucket into the water and pull it up. Then some random guy would eyeball a mercury thermometer (on a moving ship no less) and write down a whole number. I mean, as anyone who's been in the ocean can attest, just based on how deep the bucket went can mean a big difference - it's not uncommon for your feet to be 5 degrees colder than your shoulders. Same goes for altitude on land. Three thousand vert can be a difference of 20 degrees. But yet we know the mean temperature of Asia in the 1800's because of ten random weather stations interspersed randomly across the continent and some tree ring analysis on a small forest in Siberia.
Everything before 1975 is based on statistical modelling, and raw data, that have such huge margins of error as to be worthless. So yeah, let's ban oil and ruin the economy because some "scientists" (who coveniently make their living off of grants) tell us it's warmed 0.5 degrees since 1850 and their garbage-in/garbage-out models predict another 1.5 degrees over the next century.
Ok watermelon you keep telling us science is consensus and we'll stick with the scientific method and oh yeah guns, we'll stick with guns lotsa guns..
"Why is ZH denying climate change?"
For the same reason some people deny Jesus, they just don't believe ir is real that is all and if it is real they don't believe anyone can change it no matter how much money they spend, everyone has to die someday it is just that we see ours coming a little quicker than we like it and we want to do something, anything, to delay the inevitable, this is normal human behavior, look how crazy they become when they are diagnosed with Cancer! When Dad was diagnosed Mother became worried that he was spending 'too' much money seeking a cure, luckily she had a power of attorney and the gift of gab and was able to convince the Doctor to commit him, he didn't last long after that and the bills stoped coming in, of course this was a lot easier to deal with than AGW!
Jesus is real. I saw him triming some hedges across the street last week. Jose was there too. I think he was raking or maybe Carlos was raking.
Lynko would be proud of NY Attorney General. Science have to agree with politics.
Don't let Al Gore hear you people talking down GW. The ice caps will be melted...by 2014. AG said so.
Figures, NY. This is nothing other than a full on assault on ANYTHING productive in our society.
Shakedown.
You looked at me funny tort.
It would be funny if Exxon threatened to move it headquarters to Saint Petersburg.
Global Warming:
Fake fake fake fake
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Jerry+Seinfeld+Quote+Elaine+Fake+Fak...
Government facilitated extortion: real real real real.
Dear Handler/paymaster:
These guys you put on are so banal and insipid that they should be replaced.
I would suggest paying a bit more and finding persons available able to 'stir the stuff'.
Your latest crop should have you looking for work.
Thanks,ald
AGW is bollocks. None of the models predicting climate change has ever worked - so they just keep changing the models and telling more lies. Polar bears are thriving, there is lots of new ice at Antarctica. We need more CO2 in the atmosphere - it is plant food.
Should not be a problem in the state of NY for the climate weenies to provide "proof" of global warming... A sock puppet and a hammer should do the trick...
Don't confuse global warming with climate change:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlHaGhYoF0
When exactly was the climate ever "static"? It has always been changing and always will.
twh:
Yep, but the difference isn't static. The difference is that IT IS NOW ALL YOUR FAULT!
And you're gonna' PAY!
- Ned
You are not entitled to your opinion anymore, the "science" (that scientists have been caught red-handed manipulating) is settled! No counterclaims or proof offered as evidence will be tolerated!
Seig fucking heil.
Only in western nations... Eastern nations are snickering at the ignorance of the western central planners...
Flakmeister will be along in 5...4...3...2...
Anyone puts "science" in quotes (that was an example) is retarded.
Nobody cares what retarded people think. Sorry, that's how it is.
Actual adults accepting responsibility for the human future on this world will continue to work on understanding how humans impact the planet and that includes AGW. That's how it is too, deal with it. Anyone doubts that is just not paying attention. It's over, the deniers and their toadies are toast, the entire world is moving on. Throw yourself on the ground and kick your heels nobody cares, all that is just a side show now. We don't need you to participate, hold your breath and turn blue it's not even interesting.
Moving on now. The whole species is moving on. Some fucktards will try to make money on the way (everyone needs a hobby) but even the fucktards will need to move on if they are going to stay with the flow of things. The schemes will evolve, but it will just be money talking. The old ways are doomed -- but then they always were.
Bad things are coming. Get in front or be steamrolled. That's how it is now, deal with it.
Or deny it. That always works. Yeah that's always a winner.
yep! no shortage of tards looking at 100 year floods every year going duuuuuuuuuh wats dat!
What a 100-year flood means.
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/100yearflood-basic.html
Computer modeling, by globalist hacks, accepting government grants for their "work" for the expressed purpose of government taxation is not (cover your eyes cougar, I'm going to do it again...lol) "science".
That qualifies as a grand scam or at the very least...patronage.
But you go right on thinking "any" government has "your" best interests at heart, it's what you've been trained to accept for your entire life.
Just because you don't understand something or how it works doesn't mean it's wrong.
You don't understand the Internet either. But you use it anyway, right? You don't think too much about where an email (or ZH comment) comes from you just trust that it's what it seems to be and you roll with it. Same thing. Computer models are no big deal, just another tool for understanding complexity. If you are doing science then you need to come at complexity from a lot of directions and the more directions you can employ the better. Computer models are one such of many tools. You could throw out all the computer models ever run if you had to and it wouldn't be a big deal, wouldn't change anything else. To make a difference you would need to throw out the entire body of science back hundreds of years, nobody is going to do that, so you have to get over yourself you are barking up the wrong tree.
But seriously go ahead, think anything you want. I doesn't even matter. There is what you personally want to believe according to whatever strange impulses make you believe it ... and then there is an entire universe made 100% out of reality. All of it real, all the time, doesn't care what you think it just goes about being all about what it is, being reality.
"To make a difference you would need to throw out the entire body of science back hundreds of years"
Pray tell, what did the body of science on mean global surface temps consist of hundreds of years ago?
The science measures things going back millions of years. But to your point people have been observing ice flows and ice shelves and sea ice for centuries and recording their observations carefully. Movements of animals, emergence of flowers, first and last frost, composition of forests, locations of marshes, diaries and journals of notes written before anyone even cared about such things. All part of the science now. Arrhenius was measuring the contribution of CO2 gas to the "green house effect" in the late 1800's, and was building on similar observations of the sun and atmosphere going back to Benjamin Franklin's time. People have always wondered where seasons came from, how they start and end, where the animals go, and in their curiosity they unintentionally created the underpinnings of our understanding of historic climate, climate trends, and catastrophic climate change.
This is a very human pursuit. Only humans do it, only some humans try, almost nobody knew what was coming nor would they have believed it. But all those measurements and journals and simple observations carefully kept ... suddenly we see the entirety of what we have done.
Go ahead. Throw it all out. Do like the Muslims and blow up the work of those you do not understand or agree with. ISIS would applaud you, they would see in your strange aversion to your own culture of understanding a validation of their own distrust of the western world. So go ahead, blow it all up.
But even if you do, it won't save you. Because the terrible truth is that science is not creating climate change -- science is warning you of it.
Holy crap I ruined a monitor upon "But to your point people have been observing ice flows and ice shelves and sea ice for centuries and recording their observations carefully". But then I realized you weren't being sarcastic.
In regards to human activities impacting our world, I would suggest that a fear mongering, insurance and solution selling large centrally controlled and corrupt government presents far more of a real threat to humanity than ice flows and bird migrations. The world has been lead to the brink of destruction more times that we can count by those who professed the only TRUE knowledge and it was ALL called science. Every damned one of them has been willing to sacrifice virtually every last person on earth in order to "save us" from our imminent doom.
Science like religion is a double edged sword that can easily cut both ways. When using them it is always important to be very very cynical and rely on proof, not simply a faith in a dogma.
the internet is magic
Let me guess....purple track suit, white nikes...yes? Thats what I thought you fucking moonie. You've been here a couple days longer than me and you have learned nothing. That is so scary. You bought the whole packet and then some. Please don't breed.
That's some piss poor guessing. I dress like a biker and live in a remodeled bar. M.S. in Biology, former field biologist lately silicon valley technology veteran. 6'2" 220 pounds work out at the gym 3 times a week. Build homes as a hobby.
No purple anywhere in my closet that I can think of. I have an ax on pegs over the front door. Don't own any guns. The day I need a gun I'll find someone with a gun and take it. Which I did once, so I know I can, the trick is to be fast, aggressive and completely out of the blue. zero to insane in a fraction of a second. No mercy at all.
Someday I'll tell you something about what I've learned. But not tonight. Drinking rum until I can't see, then to spank my wife (she's happy learning a new trick) and tomorrow I write a project plan for a new kind of server deployment so I can't be thinking about you silly fools tonight.
I am called cougar. It's a fact, I am. 100% animal all day all the time every time. I am probably also completely crazy, but it's fine because I like being this way. I get to see interesting things from the edges of the human world. The edges of your world. What I see most of the time these days is a lot of excited monkeys making annoying noises. Try not to attract too much attention, is my advice. There are bad things waiting for you to make a bad move, and all you people seem to do is make bad moves. Those bad things include me, I suppose, if you end up having the thing I need and I do that zero to insane thing I do that nobody can comprehend.
Now you tell me, how did I do for scary?
Anyone who relies on appeals to authority and not underlying data and reason is retarded. I'm actually surprised you didn't roll out the "97% of every scientist agrees AGW will kill us" trope. Even if (and that's a gigantic, Herculean steaming pile of "if") the AGW religion is correct, you make the same massive mistake that a lot of tax/econ pundits do: you use static analysis instead of dynamic.
Why would catastrophic warming be less of an incentive to human behavior and/or ingenuity than higher gas prices or tax rates? If gas costs a just dollar or two more then, literally within days, everyone drives less and looks to buy more fuel-efficient cars. Entrepreneurs rush to develop alternatives or efficiencies. With regards to taxation, its effect is also well documented. No matter what the rate, tax receipts as a percentage of GDP have remained between 17-19% since....forever. People scale their efforts up or down depending on how much they're punished or rewarded.
But you somehow believe that, were the oceans to wipe out coastal areas and crops, and southern latitude citizens to start dying from heat exhaustion, human behavior won't change and that we won't adapt?
Curious, since most of the AGW cultists live on the coasts, have you seen any change in their behavior? Are there less Cali beachfront mansions? Has their flood insurance increased? What's the state of real estate valuations in the Hamptons and NYC?
Funny. Don't. Not. Whatever.
Lethal. Never happen. Nope. So what. Bleh. Hardly.
Correct.
The rest is just deranged.
Yeah, the oligarchs at Gazprom must be laughing their asses off.
Dementia, can't blame leaded fuels for that anymore.
Fluoride? I don't have enough information.
Slurred 'vision' due to medications ? That's a test positive.
I had the flouride conversation with my dentist in the US years ago... He actually had the stones to tell me that the FDA would not allow flouride in the water supply if it was detrimental to the populace... I openly laughed at him and told HIM to do some research, right after he removed all the amalgam from my mouth...
....replacing the nasty metals with FDA-approved carcinogenic plastics?
Nope, porecelain crowns...
New York is a state I lived in for 17 years. I do everything I can to avoid that place. Who needs the terrorism, taxes, and tyranny?
The clock is ticking. The NWO puppeteers need Cap'n Trade teed up before Soetoro leaves office.
What, are they mad because Exxon didn't want to double down on the shale debt miracle? Or are they mad because Exxon is aware of where the last of the big oil is?
The debate is over, which is why they find it necessary to silence anyone that might disagree, no matter if they are the largest corporation in the world. For all of those who believe corporations rule the world, explain this. They are all attempting to buy control over it without a doubt, and who the fuck wouldn't given they way the government can swing an axe. We have a tyrannical power mad government selling influence and protection to tyrannical and power mad corporations. We become the oil in their lamps.
Yeah, like the lard-butts are gonna stop driving their lard-butt SUVs anyway.
I like my F-350 crew cab doollie
My dick feels very secure with the White Whale wrapped around it on the highway, pindejo.
Sheeit. It isnt the size of the truck engine, it's the size of the truck nutz.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/diJLWo6CKY0/hqdefault.jpg
Shut your fucking dick hole birkenstock boy!
Flakmeister must have a chubbie on this news...
Flakmeister has a dick? Now THAT'S news!
The same NY Att Gen that failed to prosecute Wall Street Banksters and their Bag men.
EXON is the sacrificial lamb.
No, Exxon will likly do the same thing as other companies that fall under scrutiny from the US "brain trust"... They will delist themselves as a US corporation, move operations to Dubai and will thumb their nose at the US... Fuck em, the US has gone completely insane...
You are missing a step for the full 'poke in the eye' effect. After the move they need to change the name back to Standard.
Nice.
The very same NY Attorney General who hand picked the memebers of Moreland Commission who still couldn't hide the absolute corruption that defines the state of New York and was promptly DISBANDED without coming to any conclusion whatsoever. Yes, THAT Attorney General, New York has refined the corruption of law down to an absolute "science".
No computer modeling required, it just is ;-)
You fail to understand progressivism.
Facts are not important and in no way necessary. Facts become a burden as they require real documentation rather than just pulling shit out of the air. Sadly we rational beings firmly tied to reality are at a distinct disadvantage. The progressive sees only their end goal agenda, and no means,regardless of how low, are to be denied to achieve them. Dan Rather can say whatever he wants, and ultimately admit that his facts are all fake, and still claim his message is legitimate.
And progressives give him the pass.
We can see countless cases of fraud in the climate change debate, and former supporters admitting it, yet the agenda and the belief in it remain.
Yet real science that is paid for by Exxon, is illegitimate, simply because it is paid for by a "denier". The science is never even debated. The debate is over because progressives say it is, and no one in media will even ask why.
This is but another reason progressives and radical Muslims have so much in common, the belief in abrogation.The ability to lie without remorse or thought that those lies in any way depreciate their agenda. It is the AGENDA that dominates all other values. And it will NEVER change.It is a waste of time to argue and absolutely futile to insist on a debate, as they KNOW they can't win ANY debate, therefore the debate is over, and if you keep pushing the point, you will be over too.
Rules are for losers.
Oldwood, nicely done dissection of the liberal mind, a diseased carcass of rotting putrescence generously marinated in a soup of self serving lies and absolute lack of remorse. At some point stronger approaches to the illness than reasoned debate supported with facts will be unfortunately mandated
The NY AG is just front-running distractions for Cuomo. Why isn't the AG looking at state house corruption in Albany, for instance??? that's a target-rich area.
For the sake of argument, Global warming is real, and carbon dioxide emissions are spiking up, and perma frost is thawing out.
Would it not be wise, for the sake of argument above, to PLANT TREES and other plants such as cattails (which would be a better source of ethanol than corn), to soak up the excess carbon dioxide in the newly thawed ground?
Otherwise, it would be difficult to plant crops under a mile of ice, and many crops will not grow very well if it is too cold.
I think I'm going to burn a lot of brush tomorrow just to help out.
Ever notice how well things grow once the brush is burned off*?
*Some exclusions apply, such as Yellowstone Park, 1988.......
Exxon Mobile could put a world of hurt on the state of New York,
Step one is to delist from the New York stock exchange.
Step two is to stop doing all business within that state.
Yes, I know there are other companies that supply gasoline and other crude products to the state, however this would lower competition and likely increase prices.
I stopped and fueled at a Gulf station on '17' about 5 years ago.
Like any of these clowns actually cares about humans or the planet, all they see are the $$$.