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"There's A Total Lack Of Confidence" McCain Warns Obama Of Growing "Military Dissatisfaction"

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Conjuring images of "the kind of incrementalism that defined much of the Vietnam conflict," John McCain came out swinging today exposing the frustration top military officers have with President Obama's policies. "There’s a total lack of confidence in the president's leadership," the warmonger raged, adding - as perhaps a veiled threat - "there’s a level of dissatisfaction among the uniformed military that I’ve never seen in my time here."

Interestingly, as The Washington Times reports, Rep. Adam Smith, the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, echoed McCain's comments, demanding that, The White House be "more inclusive in the decision-making process," rather than 'icing' The Pentagon out

"People who have spoken truth to power get retired," ranted McCain, "all you have to do is look at a map of the Middle East in 2009 and then compare it to a map of today," to see an utterly failed strategy.

Mr. McCain argued that the frustration on Capitol Hill and at the Pentagon stems from the administration’s “complete lack of any kind of coherent strategy, much less a strategy that would have any success on the battlefield” against Islamic State and the Assad regime.

“We’re sending 50 — count them, 50 — special operations soldiers to Syria, and they will have ‘no combat role,’ the president says,” said Mr. McCain. “Well, what are they being sent there for? To be recreation officers? You’re in a combat zone, and to say they’re not in combat is absurd.”

But the White House, he argued, has effectively blinded itself to such absurdities by promoting a system over the past seven years that suppresses dissenting voices.

"Compliant and easily led military leaders get promoted,” he said.

 

When it comes to actual policy, Mr. McCain lamented, the administration pursues half-measures and decisions, “when they are made, consistently disregard recommendations from the uniformed military.”

 

The failure to break Islamic State’s hold on Syria and Iraq, and its spread into North Africa, have resulted in “very poisoned relations that now exist between many in both houses of Congress and the president,” said Mr. McCain.

 

“There’s a total lack of confidence in the president’s leadership,” he said.

 

read more here...

Mr. McCain said Mr. Obama’s past claims that things were improving in the region have undercut his credibility today.

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It sounds like the neocons are upset at the progress Putin has made... and are stirring the pot for moar war. It appears to be working to get the general public on their side...

More than 6 in 10 now disapprove of President Obama’s handling of the threat posed by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll published Thursday, an 8-point jump compared to a similar poll last January.

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Since our Nobel Peace Prize winning President is sending "a few" special operations forces to Syria, it seems like a great time to revisit one of Ron Paul's columns from 2013. In it, Dr. Paul asked if war with Syria was justified even if President Obama sought and received a declaration of war (spoiler alert: it's not!).

Of course, this is a theoretical question since Obama, the former Constitutional Law Professor, did not seek Congressional approval before sending American troops to Syria.

Here is Dr. Paul's column from 2013:

President Obama announced this weekend that he has decided to use military force against Syria and would seek authorization from Congress when it returned from its August break. Every Member ought to vote against this reckless and immoral use of the US military. But even if every single Member and Senator votes for another war, it will not make this terrible idea any better because some sort of nod is given to the Constitution along the way

 

Besides, the president made it clear that Congressional authorization is superfluous, asserting falsely that he has the authority to act on his own with or without Congress. That Congress allows itself to be treated as window dressing by the imperial president is just astonishing.

 

The President on Saturday claimed that the alleged chemical attack in Syria on August 21 presented "a serious danger to our national security." I disagree with the idea that every conflict, every dictator, and every insurgency everywhere in the world is somehow critical to our national security. That is the thinking of an empire, not a republic. It is the kind of thinking that this president shares with his predecessor and it is bankrupting us and destroying our liberties here at home.

 

According to recent media reports, the military does not have enough money to attack Syria and would have to go to Congress for a supplemental appropriation to carry out the strikes. It seems our empire is at the end of its financial rope. The limited strikes that the president has called for in Syria would cost the US in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey wrote to Congress last month that just the training of Syrian rebels and "limited" missile and air strikes would cost "in the billions" of dollars. We should clearly understand what another war will do to the US economy, not to mention the effects of additional unknown costs such as a spike in fuel costs as oil skyrockets.

 

I agree that any chemical attack, particularly one that kills civilians, is horrible and horrendous. All deaths in war and violence are terrible and should be condemned. But why are a few hundred killed by chemical attack any worse or more deserving of US bombs than the 100,000 already killed in the conflict? Why do these few hundred allegedly killed by Assad count any more than the estimated 1,000 Christians in Syria killed by US allies on the other side? Why is it any worse to be killed by poison gas than to have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists, as has happened to a number of Christian priests and bishops in Syria?

 

For that matter, why are the few hundred civilians killed in Syria by a chemical weapon any worse than the 2000-3000 who have been killed by Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan? Does it really make a difference whether a civilian is killed by poison gas or by drone missile or dull knife?

 

In "The Sociology of Imperialism," Joseph Schumpeter wrote of the Roman Empire's suicidal interventionism:

 

"There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome's allies; and if Rome had no allies, then allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive an interest - why, then it was the national honour that had been insulted."

 

Sadly, this sounds like a summary of Obama's speech over the weekend. We are rapidly headed for the same collapse as the Roman Empire if we continue down the president's war path. What we desperately need is an overwhelming Congressional rejection of the president's war authorization. Even a favorable vote, however, cannot change the fact that this is a self-destructive and immoral policy.

 

 

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Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:54 | 6756330 813kml
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McStain should personally lead the charge in his very own F-35.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:59 | 6756341 seek
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Bad idea, he'd never get it off the ground and he'd kill dozens in the process. And survive.

No, I'm thinking him being a war hero and all, a HALO jump into Syria with a parachute that had the silk replaced with his wife's stolen opiate collection would be more fitting. That way he can visit his friends there for the second time.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:13 | 6756405 Money Counterfeiter
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there’s a level of dissatisfaction among the uniformed military that I’ve never seen in my time here."

Maybe because they want to defend the USA and not Israel?

Ya think? 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:19 | 6756436 insanelysane
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It's an area where we can't tell the good guys from the bad guys and we are just handing out weapons and intelligence to anyone and everyone.  McCain should know that too since he did a photo op with unfriendlys a few years ago.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:01 | 6756578 wee-weed up
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He's right about Obozo...

But unfortunately, McCainiac belongs in a home.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:04 | 6756598 TeamDepends
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McCain is a hero. In Vietnam. We saw, but can not find it now, a picture of a plaque/shrine dedicated to him. The funny thing is his name was spelled "McCann".

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:29 | 6756659 StackShinyStuff
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Funny - the maps look exactly the same.  Is that what he means?  He must be upset that Greater Israel hasn't been created yet...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:57 | 6756729 greenskeeper carl
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ya I was kinda wondering about that  myself. He must just be mad because obama hasn't killed enough people. What a piker. Imagine the body count this guy would have had if he became president. No, Im not in any way endorsing to cheering for the obama regime, just pointing out what a catastrophe this guy would be.

 

It makes me wonder about a lot of the frustration in the military. If mccain is to be believed, then that would mean most of the dissatisfaction stems from not having more troops, as in a ground invasion, in syria? I find that kinda hard to believe. The military is probably getting sick of fighting for the war machine, corporate intersts, and other things not remotely related to security of the continental US. Maybe they are sick of doing everything but defending america. As ron paul said, not every dictator or despot in the world is out problem. Perpetual warfare does benefit some people, especially those supplying the military with hardware. But it damn sure doesn't benefit the people doing the fighting. Eventually they are going to tire of it. The generals at the top may well agree with mccain, but Id bet a lot of those "boots on the ground" at the bottom are getting tired of this shit.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:26 | 6756785 Macchendra
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McCain's father wasn't so good at warning americans about military dissatisfaction, or war in Syria:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-re...

Conservatards. 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:58 | 6756845 TahoeBilly2012
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This guy has had his head smacked more times than an NFL quarterback. He needs special testing and should probaby be wearing a spittle guard.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:44 | 6756944 cookie nookie
Fri, 11/06/2015 - 06:55 | 6757084 VinceFostersGhost
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Obama rocks

 

Worse than Jimmy Carter.....and that's saying a lot.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 06:57 | 6757086 Bokkenrijder
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McCain is a dumb Nazi who left his brain in a hole in Vietnam. Send him to an old people's home for senile senior citizens!

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:12 | 6757105 VinceFostersGhost
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McCain, Obama......same damn thing......just a different label.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:46 | 6757136 aint no fortuna...
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Doesn't he mean look at a map of the Middle East since 2003 when that fucking douchebag Dubya, who's right out there on the asshole meter with McCain, set everything off in Iraq?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:03 | 6757154 DaddyO
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...so what has Obummer changed?

They were both put in office by the same money.

And we expected different results?

Sheesh, compound stupidity...

DaddyO

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:35 | 6757214 VinceFostersGhost
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...so what has Obummer changed?

 

Here's some hope...keep the change.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:28 | 6757320 DaddyO
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An admission from a dimwitocrat that the Obummer admin took down Libya...from Rep. Adam Smith:

“I don’t think [Sen. McCain] falls into this — but there are others, and they criticize everything the administration does. They criticize [the president] for taking out [former Libyan strongman Moammar] Gadhafi and for not taking out [Syrian President Bashar] Assad. There’s just a lot of partisanship on the Republican side that contributes to the discord over the current Syria policy and they deny the fact that they do not have much of an answer themselves for what should be done differently.”

Everyone knows that the Benghazi debacle was the failure of weapons transfer to friendlies in the region who went bad (were never friendly in the first place). Hiltlery has been saddled with this mess ever since. Everyone like to talk of the failure of the POTUS' FP, but it appears to be a complete success if you change your perspective. That paradime shift is hard for many to make. Just look at the silly arguments from the republicrats.

DaddyO

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 10:19 | 6757655 Government need...
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I'll take 'nigger tryin' to think' for $200 Alex.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:17 | 6757289 GMadScientist
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I'm sure "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" would've worked out much better....in McCain's addled mind anyway; won't someone please tell him he lost and no one gives a shit what he thinks and never will ever again?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 10:44 | 6757749 Sages wife
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I think his little Tyrannasaurus arms are funny.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:57 | 6756954 Keyser
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The fact that McCain is advocating a larger US role to complete the distruction of the ME speaks volumes... It is as if he thinks the US has a god-given right to fuck up any country that it wants... The neocons / neolibs sure have done a bang up job of fucking up everything they touch in the US and the ME, so why not keep it up... You can't make this shit up if you tried, unless you are a zionist crypto-joo from Saudi Arabia...  

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:59 | 6757149 Allen_H
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Well said, I only wish the sheep would wake up and see what is done in their name, sending their children to kill innocent people around the world. They continue to support the terrorism of the jew West with their ignorance. 

Every leader in USSA and the west are childish, fucked up satanic murdering cunts, and mccain has doubled down on this, he should be hung, gutted and left in acid.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:26 | 6757192 Took Red Pill
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6 in 10 disapprove is a misleading poll. Just because people disapprove doesn't mean they want moar war. Maybe some disapprove because they don't want the US involved at all.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 11:25 | 6757918 BarkingCat
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I think under McCain we would not be involved in nearly as much military activities as under Obama.
Obama gets a complete pass from the democrats and the press.
Had McCain done what Obama has done we would governed by the Palin administration. McCain would have been
impeached by now.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:31 | 6756660 toxic8
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That would have been a good laugh in the middle of Vietnam. Did Hanoi > Saigon, with a week on Phu Quoc.

Beautiful country. Watching the mandatory propoganda video right after the Cu Chi tunnels in HCMC was quite something. "Hoi-Fu #1 American killer hero, saved her village from the impending onslaught ..."

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:22 | 6757303 Chris Dakota
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McCain must be a ZH poster along with all these others who want to kill muslims for coming to Europe after being bombed to hell.

Ya know, the West is really a disgusting place. It's like you are all Jews, chosen and no matter what you do it is divine and beyond accountabilty.

pft...want nothing to do with you pukes anymore

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:32 | 6756674 MalteseFalcon
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No Senator McCain, I don't want to join you in your crazy matrix world.

Just take your medicine and sit down.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:41 | 6756692 Money Boo Boo
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There's more brains in a golden doodle trying to figure out how to lick its balls clean than the average american _ Money Boo Boo

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:51 | 6756713 jwoop66
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"Compliant and easily led military leaders get promoted,” he said.

 

 

I was in the military, from what I remember, that is SOP.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:02 | 6756739 palmereldritch
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Which military is he talking about? His ISIS buds he was visiting in the ME or the Pentagram?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 05:58 | 6757034 BringOnTheAsteroid
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You know it's not a very good idea admitting you were in the military because what you are televising is that you're a dumb cunt who would have killed anyone you were ordered to kill. End of story.

How many people posting on this forum are either in the military or were at one point. I'd be interested to know how many of you would say to your commanding officer, "No sir, I am not going to kill that person".

Crickets, that's all I can hear.

If you put your life on the line to defend your fellow Americans on American soil, I'd call you a hero.

You are mercenaries for hire by the banksters and MIC.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:08 | 6757159 11b40
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And you are an immature ignoramous.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:09 | 6757249 BringOnTheAsteroid
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If a US commander was to order a  grunt to shoot a child in the head the grunt would do it.

The mere fact you support this complex and support the poeple enabling the complex simply infers you are an evil cunt,

It's not that hard to understand unless you are fucking stupid.

The US military is pure evil as is any military operating on foreign shores with aggressive intent.

The US military is a hired mercenary army to topple foreign governments and get good deals on oil.

What the fuck is it you don't understand about this.

You're a grunt aren't you?

You'd willingly kick down the door of an arab family and spread the intestines of women and children all over the fucking loungeroom. How graphic do I have to get before you fucking assholes wake up to the evil being perpetrated under the US flag. Do you want to talk about how the women lose their bowels when bullets tear apart their innards. Do you want to talk about the stench of shit coupled with the stench of coagulated blood. Do you want to talk about the children who have their muscles torn from therir bones and then piss themselves when a US ordinace explodes in their vicinity.

This is what the US has become.

Pure fucking evil.

The US runs fucking riot over foreign lands and then wonders why every fucking beard want to blow you to kingdom come. The US creates the havoc then thinks the way to solve it is more aggression.

If you want to stop terrorists s\get the fuck out of other countries and stealing their oil on the pretext of spreading democracy.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:49 | 6757475 trulz4lulz
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<slowclap><longwhistle>followe by<furtherslowclapping>

I dont imagine that will get too much of a response. But I worked at a foundry one time, years ago. There were two guys there that were vietnam vets, total idiot hillbilly types: IQ of less than 75 between the two guys. Well one day the shipping and recieving guy was drinking on the job and we got into a conversation about  some of the things that went on during Vietnam. He went on to tell me about the time that he and two of his "buddies" inserted flares into the vaginas of al the women in one particular family. Female children as well. They tied the men to trees and made them watch as they set the flares off and they burned through the wombs of the women/female children. It was a far more detailed story tan what I am willing to divuldge, needless to say he even tried to describe the smell. Thats SOP of the American hero.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 13:51 | 6758555 11b40
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So, you have a drunken conversation with a low IQ moron, and determine what the Standard Operating Procedure of the average grunt is?  And what is your I.Q.?  You actually believe this shit?

Look, there are atrocities in every war, and commmitted by every side.  In fact, there are atrocities right here in America every day.  No shortage of sick individuals.  How easy it is to sit in your sheltered, cozy room in front of your computer and make judgments about other masses of people, when you know little of the realities of the world for most on this planet. 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 13:39 | 6758501 11b40
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You paint with the broad brush of a fool.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 08:43 | 6761193 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Yeh right, sorry my bad. The US military is performing humanitarian aid in Iraq, Afganistan, Syria and Libya. The bombing for an unrelenting hour on MSF and it's hospital, staff and patients was a mercy mission.

The US military truly walks in the footsteps of you beloved Jesus.

Tell me this. If your beloved Jesus rode down from heaven on the winged horse and stood in front of you would you have the fucking guts to look him in the eye and defend the US military

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 20:04 | 6760142 rich1657
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Roger on your hypotheticals, anecdotes, and hearsay evidence. Please share for the benefit of the board the lessons learned / not learned from your personal military experience in support of combat operations. Over.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 08:38 | 6761186 BringOnTheAsteroid
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There's always an excuse isn't there. Becasue you do it there's a valid reason. When the perceived enemy does it it's evil, when you do . . . . . well . . . . . bad stuff happens sometimes but we'll just let it go.

Humans are fucking fucked.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 11:19 | 6761433 rich1657
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Perhaps you are capable of rational thought and articulation, Champ, but we're not getting that. Your vulgar rants and blanket misstatements only show that you've corrupted your soul viewing too many Hollywood productions. You obviously have no real life experience to bring to the discussion and your arguments are consequently disjointed and weak.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 10:15 | 6757633 Lorca's Novena
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Wen you are 18 and out of high school with none of mommy and daddies money to do anything a lot of people signed up, unaware of the dynamics involved with the military at such a young age.

 

shut the fuck up.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:18 | 6757295 GMadScientist
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McCain "the legacy" would fucking know. Never did an honest day's work in his entire miserable excuse for a fucking life.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 11:28 | 6757926 BarkingCat
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That is also the case in most places of employment.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:17 | 6756766 DisasterCapitalist
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Did you visit Hanoi? The McCain plaque is still there... Truc Bach Lake. I don't recall his name being mis-spelled. Not really a shine to McCain (lol), nor is the Hanoi Hilton.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:22 | 6756778 uhland62
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The more the merrier, he thinks, so he'd probably send 50,000 troops to Syria. 

He must have lost interest in Ukraine, I wonder why. He's only jealous that he didn't become President and he could have had his very own wars in Ukraine and Syria.

Prince Harry's invictus games would need to be enlarged bigtime.  

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:19 | 6756437 insanelysane
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It's an area where we can't tell the good guys from the bad guys and we are just handing out weapons and intelligence to anyone and everyone.  McCain should know that too since he did a photo op with unfriendlys a few years ago.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:45 | 6756539 TBT or not TBT
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Hint, they are almost all bad guys

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:28 | 6756788 uhland62
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Our ex-PM in Australia once called it 'baddies vs baddies' but his kindergarten speak did not go down too well, so Tony Abbott is now a backbencher. He also promised no cuts to education or health and wanted to shirtfront Putin. That's why it looks all such a mess, low quality politicians.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:26 | 6756467 fudge
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Maybe because they want to defend the USA and not Israel?

Nope, after reading the linked article I'll go with this assesment ..

It sounds like the neocons are upset at the progress Putin has made... and are stirring the pot for moar war. It appears to be working to get the general public on their side...

some one puts words in McCains mouth and he dribbles shit to the press.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:27 | 6756475 Lost My Shorts
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If Obama is getting rid of military officers who lust for war on the other side of the world where the US shouldn't be wasting its money or credibility, then it's one of the rare things he has done right.  A large majority of the American people don't want more war, and shouldn't have it imposed on them by West Point.

If McStain is threatening a military coup, it's yet another on the long list of things he has done to make himself an embarassment or worse.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:34 | 6756799 atthelake
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Is Obama getting rid of military officers who want war or military officers who have a conscience?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:58 | 6756846 Implied Violins
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Military officers who won't bend over.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:27 | 6757196 Grimaldus
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Correct, the ones who would say "NO".

 

Obirbrain replaces these officers with blood thirsty progressives, the Hillary Clinton nation destroying war crime kind.

Any surprise that McCain is a progressive? He damn sure is not a constitutional conservative now is he? Niether is Dubya.

The progressive criminal murdering usurpers in charge of the FEDGOV need to be removed before they kill the Bill Ayers required millions.

You see? The progressive stupid, it burns. US Syria policy is progressive policy, the policy of insanity and death.

 

Grimaldus

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:41 | 6757225 TruthHunter
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Military officers who won't bend over.

Nearly 60,000 may have

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/3/gay-rape-military-underre...

"Extrapolating the study’s estimates of up to 15 times greater than the Pentagon’s count, it would mean that as many as 180,000 men are assaulted in one year and, of those, 57,750 are “penetrative” attacks."

God may owe Sodom and Gomorra an apology

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 11:35 | 6757960 BarkingCat
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A large number of American people do not want war if it is not started by their team.
If Bush was president there would be peace demonstrations across the country.
However since it is their guy who is doing it,they do not care and likely are completely disinterested and
unaware of what is happening.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:49 | 6756708 ebworthen
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The most pivotal lack of confidence is that of the U.S. Populace in the Armed Forces.

Not the flag waving "We respect your sacrifice" part, but the "Why the Hell aren't you defending our Consitution!?!?" part.

If they're nothing but a band of paid mercenaries that prop up a corrupt Kleptoligarchy, how much confidence and support do they deserve as a group?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:30 | 6756792 leftcoastfool
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Wise words, indeed.  If only they were true.  I don't think the average American has the mental capacity to reach your conclusion anymore (regarding defending the Constitution)...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:52 | 6756898 silvermail
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McCain, like any other schizophrenic, has no right to speak on behalf of all military personnel.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:49 | 6757469 GMadScientist
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But Obama is C in Chief and the alternative, if we have him declared unfit, is also schizotypal so...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:31 | 6756487 Freddie
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How many AMERICAN sailors did McCain kill on the USS Forrestal?

How many American sailors did his old man kill by refusing to help the USS Liberty?

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:42 | 6756522 Jack's Raging B...
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He's a bit preoccupied with shaking hands and smoozing ISIS "leadership" at photo-op'ed meetings.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:23 | 6756639 Argenta
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Although I agree with you, I'd love to see the contributors to this very well done site refrain from name calling.  It is what it is, without the MSNBC vernacular.  We're better than that, aren't we?

-Argenta

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:55 | 6756839 Cornfedbloodstool
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He's a crooked tooth goblin.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:54 | 6756331 Intelligence_In...
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Paychecks! Get some!

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:14 | 6756410 813kml
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I am intrigued by your avatar, I had no idea there was porn on the internets.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:16 | 6756422 Intelligence_In...
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you stole my first post, fuck you.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:18 | 6756433 813kml
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Apologies, next time ladies first.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:57 | 6757139 VinceFostersGhost
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Free the nipple!!!

 

 

you stole my first post, fuck you.

Welcome to Fight Club bitch.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:43 | 6756529 Bill of Rights
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No harm its a nasty looking set of tits anyway...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:01 | 6756590 Midas
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I'm pretty sure those are udders....

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:05 | 6756602 Bill of Rights
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Ahh you noticed the flaps of skin too? Mexican boob job...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:32 | 6756673 toxic8
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yikes

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:03 | 6757264 BigJim
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I think those might be suds... or, at least, some other, slippery white liquid.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:37 | 6756807 Macchendra
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Who does your avatar?  I wanna hire them, lol!

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:58 | 6756907 wizteknet
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Kinda reminds me of Traci Lord's, if u ask me.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:35 | 6757123 mvsjcl
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But those were real.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:05 | 6756601 dot_bust
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I too am mesmerized by your avatar.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 05:33 | 6757002 Captain Obvious.
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You can zoom in and control the action by scrolling. 

Not that I noticed. 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:59 | 6756334 JustObserving
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The failure to break Islamic State’s hold on Syria and Iraq

WTF? Who is insane McCain trying to fool when he talks about America's war with ISIS?  ISIS was founded and funded by America and encouraged by McCain:

ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”

For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.

Other ISIS members were trained near Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where US forces are based. After completing their training, they went to Syria and later Iraq

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html

USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIS

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...

The US arming of ISIS

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/06/03/pers-j03.html

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:07 | 6756367 fudge
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WTF? Who is insane McCain trying to fool when he talks about America's war with ISIS?

domestic propaganda maybe ? he certainly fools no one else  -_-

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:37 | 6756887 PoliticalRefuge...
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The voters of course, it's the election season when all these "patriots" start bad mouthing their drinking buddies to pull the wool over the eyes just one more time for good luck.

..and it will probably work again.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 05:35 | 6757005 Captain Obvious.
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"Bad mouthing their buddies."  Can we provide them with side arms? 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:08 | 6756336 Yen Cross
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    McInsane has completely lost all of his "limited" negotiating facilities.

   Contrary to popular belief, real men can sport a "woody", well into their 80's.

   karma's a bitch Mc Insane.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:12 | 6756401 813kml
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McStain is strung out on Liagra.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:33 | 6756496 Yen Cross
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 Liagra. ;-)

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:33 | 6756679 Implied Violins
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Sometimes he slams CIAlies, too.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:45 | 6756702 Yen Cross
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to... too, implies multiples.  TWO, is just numerical.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 22:57 | 6756337 AMPALANCE
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Lunatic Fringe

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:02 | 6756353 A Lunatic
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The real deal...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:02 | 6756343 V for ...
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Insane McCain is lying again, exaggerating again. He wants war over everyone else's blood and treasure. His own military betryal is documented. His Vietcong captors called him 'songbird' because he sold out his own comrades and country. Clearly, he tries to play the tough guy ever since, easily bought by foreign interests.

I want McCain on trial for treason; aiding and abetting the enemy. No, not in Vietnam. It's too late now. But for aiding and abetting terrorists in the Middle East; being pictured with them; giving them weapons.

He says he speaks for the military - only because he knows they cannot defy him in public. He is a bare faced liar; a dangerous fool, useful only to foreigners and big money interests who pay him, and blackmail him if necessary. That is his real record.

His prissy boy hysterical friend Graham Cracker is no better. Prosecute him too.

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:22 | 6756438 813kml
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Federal pound me in the ass prison wouldn't be a punishment for Lady Lindsey.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:41 | 6756693 e_goldstein
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Could send him to Women's prison.

 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 02:18 | 6756866 inosent
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"Graham Cracker" haha, good one

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 06:44 | 6757073 Rip van Wrinkle
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Wouldn't bother with the trial. Another waste of US taxpayers money.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 10:04 | 6757575 J Jason Djfmam
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They are both just pissed because the U.S. government should have spent billions more on military toys systems than they have.

It cuts into their under the table cash transfers.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:00 | 6756344 Farmer Joe in B...
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The world would be a better place if the Vietcong had just ended this miserable prick....

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:04 | 6756348 V for ...
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I agree with you, Farmer...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:01 | 6756347 wisefool
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If Jon McCain  picks the smartest people who ever existed and they decide I should still pay taxes for his "wet start" aircraft cariier over the gulf of tolkien I will god damned get a tax LLM so when I talk to janet reno in congressional hearings and after that you can put me on a plane to kill the fucking IRS/ISIS pussies.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:29 | 6757117 barroter
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USS Forrestal was colloquially named USS ForestFire after that...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:03 | 6756356 nmewn
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If you gave a damn about the uniform (or anyone acting on behalf of) the flag you would have never shut up about those left to die in Benghazi.

Mine is not a pro or anti stance on what they were actually doing in Benghazi, its just a statement of fact.

An advocate for the common loyal soldier (as McNutz is claiming to be) is outraged that for 13 HOURS NO ONE IN THEIR COUNTRY CAME TO THIER AID.

McNutz fell silent, fuck him and Obama and Shrillary.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:08 | 6756379 V for ...
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Spot on, nmewn. Their silence spoke volumes, then and now.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:18 | 6756768 greenskeeper carl
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my thoughts on the matter are that those people were in benghazi helping movie ghaddafi's arsenal to the "rebels" in syria, and the hajjis turned on them and killed them instead. since what they were doing(which no doubt had the blessing of both killary and obama) would look really bad if it came out, they were allowed to be killed because our interveing in the matter with a larger force would have given this much more attention than they wanted. Hence the whole "spontaneuous protest of a youtube video" narrative. my frustration with all fo this benghazi hearing nonsense is that no one mentions the trafficking of weapons, which ambassador stevens helped facilitate. I find it hard to believe that trey gowdy doesn't know all this, and yet he focuses on when exatly they knew it was a planned attack rather than a protest gone bad. Thats not really that important, IMO. But he keeps bringing it up, because, as a neo-con republican, he wholly supports the underlying theme of US intervention in MENA to begin with.

 

The problem wasn't so much a lack of extra security, but a problem of trying to do business with those people in the first place. You takes your chances. Personally, no amount of money would make helping them destabalize another country worth my life. The ambassador there and those CIA contractors took that gamble and lost.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:54 | 6756563 TBT or not TBT
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Yep, and several high ranked officers were purged for expressing wrong opinions about Benghazi or having prepared to send help and demanded permission repeatedly to go help.   Obama has been purging the top ranks for 7 years, atop imposing PC shut, crap rules of engagement, and tripling down in Afghanjstan to no possible benefit of the USA or our allies.  Iraq, he declared a success a turned over to Iran and savagery.  

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:13 | 6757281 BigJim
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The withdrawal from Iraq was negotiated under Bush after the Iraqis' insistance that US soldiers - and "contractors" - would be held accountable for their (murderous) actions in future.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:56 | 6756727 cowdiddly
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Never mind the 1100 POWs in Vietnam they simply abandoned after McCain got home and the war ended because they did not want to pay Vietnam  a pre-agreed war reparations of 3 billion to get them back. And This Wetstart Shitstain was directly involved in the coverup and blocking any info claiming they got them all back or already dead, its classified to this day from their own families. They were simply abandoned over there forever to die in camps and he knows it first hand.

War Hero? Dont make me laugh. I have more respect for a piece of dog dung. Yes this tape worm will have lots to answer for soon and living with it has made him insane.

Member me buddy? They remember You.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:03 | 6756357 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Someone should tape McCain to a bunkerbuster with duct tape and drop him from 50,000' onto the Pentagon just for FUN.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:25 | 6756777 Kirk2NCC1701
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The PPV would put a serious dent in the National Deficit.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 08:30 | 6757203 highandwired
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did you mean the Pentagram?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:14 | 6757283 BigJim
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Now THAT I'd pay to see. Will it be shown on Sky?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:06 | 6756363 buzzsaw99
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he's crazy. the troops love owebomba, the mic generals even moreso. /s

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:06 | 6756365 J Pancreas
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.gov infighting is great! Useless mountain trolls fighting each other for scraps in a decaying empire. Let the MIC battle the FSA; both groups are sponges sucking up productive private sector capital and both ruined what was a beautiful idea in the minds of free thinking men and women.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:09 | 6756370 Duc888
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McInsane is a fucking idiot.

""People who have spoken truth to power get retired," ranted McCain, "all you have to do is look at a map of the Middle East in 2009 and then compare it to a map of today," to see an utterly failed strategy."

 

The strategy is working perfect.  Destabilize the whole region.  Assassinate leaders.   Send in the Mercs to fuck shit up.  Create "ISIS" (a fucking joke there).  Carve up the territories and ensure that you make 3 generations of people who fucking HATE USA....that's some fucking job security right there.  Shake down one country after another for business deals and resources.

Did we "fix" Iraq?  How about Libya? House of Saud, biggest shitbag Wahhabists on the planet get a pass?  We won't even mention The Tribe.  Congress and Senate got the big lip-lock on The Tribe cock.

In short, it's the Zio / Wolfowitz doctrine.  Working like a charm.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:12 | 6756400 The_Prisoner
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What does that cocksucker know about speaking the truth?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:22 | 6756448 bigkahuna
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he has been going along to get along for a long time - just like the officers he mentions....these people do not know what "truth" is

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:24 | 6756425 V for ...
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Now that's speaking truth to power, Duc888. They only get away with it if people look the other way, and make excuses for them, all of them. Left, right, left, right....off to war they march other people while they profit. They are filth.

I am not interested in their aims, their objectives. I am interested in what they have done, how they should be punished for what they have done, held to account for their bare faced lies, fraud and war crimes ... entirely against the Constitution and Bill of Rights -  that 'piece of paper' as they arrogantly dismiss it, whilst having benefited from it more than they deserve.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:08 | 6756373 stant
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I am sure a failure of a incompetent .gov was war gamed at some point

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:44 | 6756532 wisefool
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Jeb ? vs. Hillary ?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:07 | 6756916 wizteknet
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Jeb still has to beat Donald first...

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:31 | 6757118 barroter
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Jeb refuses to say his last name still...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:24 | 6756390 The_Prisoner
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The fact McCain keeps getting re-elected is one of the reasons the argument that the American people is not to blame for the sins of the Empire doesn't hold water.

Drawn and quartered is too good for the likes of him.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:34 | 6756501 V for ...
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He is one Senator from Arizona. It is the Zionist handlers and lobbyists in the District of Cowards who leverage his insanity to their advantage.

Congress has the lowest approval rating in U.S. history. So, no. You are incorrect. The American people despise .gov.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." (Mark Twain)

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 07:34 | 6757121 samjam7
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Still he gets elected in Arizona. If people there were only half awake to what's going on outside the Grand Canyon state he wouldn't make it. But no, "he seems to have done a good job, and look he's a veteran that's got to count for sumthin'". They are to blame for this as well.

The attention he receives in Washington is a different thing.  

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:10 | 6756391 o r c k
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In Ron Paul's words "Have your head chopped off by the US allied radical Islamists". Allies. US allies as in the Allied Powers in WW2. Allies like Britain, France, Poland and Canada.  From a column 2 years ago. Allied with terrorists.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:23 | 6756392 Yen Cross
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I appreciate John Mc Cains public service.

 His military record shows how any person that chooses to dedicate their life to public service can succeed.

 Mars base one= 20 minute relay.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:25 | 6756461 The_Prisoner
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Good one, Yen. Hahaha

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:27 | 6756469 Yen Cross
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 Mars base one= Thank You.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:39 | 6756466 Manipuflation
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Remember that 80's TV show named the "V"?  McCain is a Visitor. 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:08 | 6756610 Yen Cross
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 lol. Fiberglass F-35's

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:13 | 6756403 Ms No
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Thanks for clearing that up Snowcone, to think that all this time we thought they were growing weary due to the never ending meaningless war, cut benefits, PTSD, meaningless operations, a screwed country to return to and having to work with and for a bunch of psychopaths.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:15 | 6756417 Phillyguy
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The distinguished Senator from Arizona seems to either have amnesia or age- related memory problems. In 2003, Bush II invaded and occupied Iraq, using “faulty” intelligence as a casus belli and immediately following the US invasion, disbanded the Iraqi military. Not surprisingly, these Iraqi “vets” found other employment, helping to form ISIS. Rumsfeld’s $70 billion Iraq war (to be paid for with Iraqi oil revenue) has now cost US taxpayers $3-5 trillion. As an added bonus, we have failed states in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, (Syria?) and ISIS/ISIL/Daesh controlling large areas in the ME. This situation is a direct consequence of US/NATO/GCC military campaigns which have destabilized the entire ME. Does Sen McCain have the intellectual capacity to grasp this?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:21 | 6756444 venturen
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ya...we have moved on from blaming Bush for Obama's 7 years. As much as McCain is a tool...he is right that Obama is very destructive...to the USA. I am hoping the military joins the 90% against the 1% running the government and Wall Street

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 00:28 | 6756651 Flybyknight
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Yes McCain is an insane warmonger

Obama is a lying prick

Hilary is is both

Jeb is useless 

Trump is an egotistical buffoon

Carson is ignorant

Sanders is well meaning but ignorant.

The other contenders are hopeless too.

I suggest the dissatisfied military men stage a coup and lock up the whole traitorous bunch bring their armies home and re-establish some sensible priorities 

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:00 | 6756711 Escapeclaws
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Sanders is neither well meaning nor ignorant but rather a Saudi stooge. He peels off his face in front of the mirror evey evening.

As for Madame Mao aka "white-boned demon", our already baked-in next president, be careful what you say about it. The first Madame Mao eliminated anyone from her past who had dared to think badly of her. You think it won't force this site to give up the names of those who post here? Mal y soit qui mal y pense. 

As for McCain, remember the days way back when, when everyone praised him for being "his own man"? That's reminiscent of the bell-bottoms and beehive hairdo's of the 70s. Quaint, no? 

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:21 | 6756445 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Where did you get the $3-5 trill figure for Iraq? Can you leave a citation on that?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:44 | 6756530 V for ...
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There are many sources, routinely updated, and here's one:

http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/

Researchers say the cost of mismanagement and inefficiences is incalculable, but exist as a matter of record.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:09 | 6756919 wizteknet
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Prob more like 6-8trillion spent more likely...

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:27 | 6756472 VegasBob
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Does Sen McCain have the intellectual capacity to grasp this?

In a word, NO!

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 06:53 | 6757083 Rip van Wrinkle
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Worked a fucking treat, For the 0.01%.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:23 | 6756440 Son of Captain Nemo
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"there’s a level of dissatisfaction among the uniformed military that I’ve never seen in my time here."

That's wonderful news John... I had this dream that all of them showed up at your door late one evening and tied you up in your back yard for target practice with "live rounds" venting their anger at the source of that dissatisfaction...

Let's hope my dream comes true, because I think even the dumbest ones which are the vast majority know what they wil lbe getting themselves into with Ukraine and Syria!!!

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:26 | 6756452 Jorgen
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Pat Buchanan has it right again:

Now, the question is whether retired US Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor has it right, too?

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:33 | 6756497 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Is that Pat in the photo way back on the left hand side fourth from the front?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:25 | 6757315 BigJim
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Dunno, but pretty sure that's Lt. Col. Kilgore front right.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 10:14 | 6757626 trulz4lulz
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Dumb deee dee dumb dumb, dumbe dee dee dee!!!!!

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 09:24 | 6757309 BigJim
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I always take MIC personnel's claims that the US is militarily "behind" its adversaries with a grain of salt. After all.. it's their number one cover to get more funds out of congress.

Mind you... cry wolf, and all that :-/

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:25 | 6756460 VegasBob
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McInsane is too fucking stupid to see exactly what is going on in the military.

Morale is down because the military is being feminized. There's diversity training and sensitivity training.  I'm surprised that with all of the accommodations for the gay boys, the dykes and the trannies, there isn't a wholesale exodus of soldiers from the military.  Maybe there is.

I suspect that standards are being reduced to accommodate women.  The Army vehemently denies it, but I'd be willing to bet that the fix was in to graduate two women from the Army Ranger School this past August. I can hardly wait until the Navy starts graduating diesel dykes as 'Navy Seals.'

This country is becoming more like a fucking circus side show every goddamn week.

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 23:34 | 6756500 BlussMann
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Your're correct, the Broads didn't really make the grade, but the Brass said some had to "pass". So who will win : faggot US military or trad Russian army ?

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 01:03 | 6756742 VegasBob
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I hate to admit it, but if push came to shove, I think the Russkies would probably grind their boots into the faces of US military forces.

Fri, 11/06/2015 - 03:29 | 6756933 wizteknet
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Lol yeah right, not

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