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US Planes Fired On Fleeing Civilians, Doctors Without Borders Says
Just a few days ago, the Saudis followed in the footsteps of their counterparts in Washington when the kingdom’s warplanes “accidentally” bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Yemen.
The “incident” came less than a month after the Green Berets - who were battling for control of Kunduz in Afghanistan in an effort to beat back a Taliban advance - apparently decided that in order to rid an MSF hospital of some “insurgents” who were apparently hanging out inside (and by “hanging out” we mean “were injured and that’s why they were in the hospital in the first place”), they needed to call in an AC-130 gunship which proceeded to make five passes and engage the building for an hour, eventually killing dozens of people as tends to happen when advanced air assault technology squares off against unarmed people lying on gurneys.
Here are some of the visuals for anyone who missed it:
And here's a look inside the building courtesy of BBC:
Now, in a revelation that likely won't surprise those who frequent these pages, MSF says the US fired on civilans who were running from the building. Here's Reuters:
Medical aid group Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF) said on Thursday it was hard to believe a U.S. strike on an Afghan hospital last month was a mistake, as it had reports of fleeing people being shot from an aircraft.
At least 30 people were killed when the hospital in Kunduz was hit by the strike on Oct. 3 while Afghan government forces were battling to regain control of the northern city from Taliban forces who had seized it days earlier.
The United States has said the hospital was hit by accident and two separate investigations by the U.S. and NATO are underway but the circumstances of the incident, one of the worst of its kind during the 14-year conflict, are still unclear.
MSF General Director Christopher Stokes told reporters the organization was still awaiting an explanation from the U.S. military.
"All the information that we've provided so far shows that a mistake is quite hard to understand and believe at this stage," he said while presenting an MSF internal report on the incident.
The report said many staff described "seeing people being shot, most likely from the plane" as they tried to flee the main hospital building.
Let's just be clear so that it doesn't appear we're being bombastic for the sheer hell of it: MSF is now accusing the US of firing on civilians fleeing a hospital.
And in case you have any questions as to whether US Spec Ops knew this was a hospital, recall the following from AP:
In the days before the attack, "an official in Washington" asked Doctors without Borders "whether our hospital had a large group of Taliban fighters in it," spokesman Tim Shenk said in an email. "We replied that this was not the case. We also stated that we were very clear with both sides to the conflict about the need to respect medical structures."
Taken together, the revelations raise the possibility that U.S. forces destroyed what they knew was a functioning hospital, which would be a violation of the international rules of war.
MSF went on to say that there were 20 wounded Taliban fighters at the facility, which shouldn't surprise anyone because i) it's a hospital, and ii) "treating wounded combatants is not a crime" (that's a quote from MSF General Director Christopher Stokes). Back to Reuters:
MSF says the site's location had been clearly communicated to both Afghan forces and the Taliban and it was clearly identifiable as a hospital.
"That night, it was one of the few buildings with electrical power, it was fully lit up," Stokes said.
He also said that inspections of the area around the hospital since the Taliban withdrew from Kunduz last month did not reveal signs of heavy fighting.
So, while the Western media is busy accusing the Russians of accidentally hitting hospitals in Syria, MSF itself is now out accusing the US of gunning down fleeing civilians after engaging what Washington absolutely knew was a functioning medical facility. Here, for what it's worth, is Washington's excuse:
"Several Afghan officials have suggested Taliban fighters were using the hospital as a base."
Maria Zakharova, if you're listening, we can't wait to see what you do with this.
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Shocker! Bet they'll support that TPP next time..
But on a more realistic note - did Mr PeacePrize himself order these killings? Absolutely.
Rules Schmules.
International rules are for pussies.
Sarc on/off as needed.
Yes! if I am going to kill you, I have to be civilized about it....
Well big fucking surprise, they did the same thing to good samaritans in Iraq... that's why they made Manning into a woman, because of the videos he leaked. Everyone keep trolling with the Manning jokes though, you know, to make yourselves feel like 'real' 'murican manly men for doing nothing.
Oh, did I butt-hurt someone?
<-- Fuck you for your serVITUDE
<-- Thank you for your serVICE
Standard law enforcement policy, if suspect is flee, must is be guilty. Open fire!
...and if is within firing range, a suspect is.
Two groups of hard working, educated people are extremely smart, detailed and tenacious --- doctors and airplane pilots.
Do not mess with them or you're grabbing a tiger by the tail. The DromeMeister should just stick to wedding parties.
"Standard law enforcement policy, if suspect is flee, must is be guilty. Open fire!" -Boris
Standard law enforcement policy, if suspect is approaching, must is be deadly. Open fire! -Kirk
Nazdrovye! (You say Nazdrovye, I say Nice Driveway.)
Some day Boris is nice driveway, but is first must save for purchase of automobile.
If you got nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear; which is another way of saying: "Anyone afraid of being persecuted should be persecuted."
- Robert Newman
Fundamental liberty is freedom of unwarranted suspicion.
One downvote irks you?
Heheh. You should see some of my posts on these forums.
Hardly...
Just trying to bring him out of the shadows... I needed to laugh at a dumb-ass rebuttal. No bite I guess.
Really, WTH did they do to Manning? Guy starts out a pretty normal seeming military leaker, is taken in and then comes out a drag queen. They probably had him dosed on acid in some sensory deprivation chamber listening to liberace on repeat... that poor bastard. Probably the best way possible to deter any future military leaks.
They took away his clothes and kept him in solitary for months, in a cold cell, with no human contact. Not sure what else they did, but this part is widely known. Of course, if you say that's why he became Chelsea, you'll be attacked as homophobic racist..
Gaius,
Until they can FOIA the PSYOPS/PublicAffairs game they pulled off (and may still be pulling off) on Manning, Whistleblowers are at peril.
When I blew the Whistle to the DoD/Navy IGs and was retaliated, they (NAS North Island's Aircraft Repair Depot) had a Contractor Kickback Situation, so I had Private Eyes stalking me and defaming me everywhere I went (spreading rumors as to prevent me from getting an Employment Contract (I'm an IT Contractor) or a Full Time Job anywhere else).
They "do" go for the sensitive areas; and try to manipulate events and perceptions of many Peoples. I've been rumored to have been accused of anything they can imagine, spun for the worst, in an attempt to see what they can use; and from what I understand, Cult/Political/Ethnic Radicals at Biola/Fuller/AzusaPac/LomaLinda/Pepperdine/Loyola/UCI/USC/UCLA/CSULB/Stanford(SRI) have managed to get a Research Study PhD Racket out of it. (Don't know the subject matter, could be Criminology/Psych/Sociology/ChristianStudies/BlackStudies).
I've been accused of being a Psychopath, Molester, Rapist, Drug Addict, Crazy, Gay(ulitimate c*ckblock play), Terrorist, Spy/Sleeper Agent, Communist, Quisling, Public Masturbator, etc.(the monkeys in Gardena, Los Angeles AFB, and other locations actually were canvassing my neighborhood collecting signatures for a survey/petition); and the Racketeers actually used false/abused actual Search/Arrest Warrants and NSA Letters. Since I also had some several Queer Stalkers (one prancer who followed me around during one of my Lifting Sessions at a Gym in NJ actuall few over to California and tried to approach me at a parking lot at AMGEN (where I had an interview for a Contract) and some ugly Cult/MIC Women try to get noticed (I try to politely ignore them), the (MIC) Racketeers were pretty heavy with the Sexuality Subjects - I had all KINDS of Gay Pr0n Banner Ads whenever I'd take a gander at some Hot Dames. Obviously, the ISP probably helped out; but I can figure in a L3/EDS/MIC/NCIS Monkey tapping into the local nodes.
I'm an Annapolis Grad, too. There are some backstabbers who have tried to spin this and sweep it under the Rug; but it's surprising to see HOW treacherous the Alumni Network can be - to cover the Fail State Monkeys in their endeavours.
Not a peep from the Americunt lamestream alphabet media presstitutes
Meanwhile the Saudis are bombing hospitals in Yemen, and the West is accusing Russia of bombing multiple hospitals in Syria which is a double barreled lie.
Look at this fuck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBxI1kaY-w4
Exactly! Everyone is so screwed. Keep stacking and farming. Get out of the cities and suburbs
Pilots for Saudis and other great apes aligned with them primary important lesson learned from US military terror trainers: minimise risk by attacking unarmed helpless.
"They are running around the world dropping depleted uranium all around the earth, letting nuclear weapons off underneath the sea, and what are we going to do about it? Sit at home with a special light bulb and a shopping bag for life."
- Steve Hughes
If this your first night of Fight Club, you have to fight.
This moron shill Kirby does an exact imitation of the car salesman (William Macy) in the movie Fargo. "Mamn, I've answered your questions" It's truly amazing.
--from canadian dirtlumps comment above (at the end of the news conference)
We have some super secret evidence, trust us! Trust us!
Sorry, you fucks have lied a million times too many for us to trust you.
My neighbor say a UFO land in his backyard last night. Yes, that is also true.
You're in a war zone "doctors without borders". What the fuck do you expect???
Expect the USAF to get its fucking coordinates together. Oh wait, they did, that's why these people died. Do the math!
DWB had given the location of their hospital in Kunduz to the US forces. The US probably misread 'do not attack here' as 'attack here stat'
Expect the war criminals to perpetrate war crimes. And their captured population with a bloodlust to match the Citizens of Rome to continue clamoring for more blood.
Let me remind you that the 'just following orders' excuses didn't work too well for the German soldiers either.
That defence is reserved for those on the 'winning' side.
Hanoi Jane could not be reached for coment. Nor any other left wing hack
Guess what. As hard it was for me to admit after dispising that woman for decades - Jane Fonda was right.
Sorry, had to neg ya on that . . .sure, she was right. For all the wrong fucking reasons.
They are busy circling the wagons around Mr. Bojangles.
Three times is enemy action. Pretty clearly there's be a policy decision made somewhere to drive the docs out of the theater.
The question is why does the US want them out? Planning on using weapons that they don't want reported, or ?
Clearly, Doctors without Borders have no national affiliation, and therefore must be considered enemy combatants.
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Never been before restrained of using uranium shells, white phosphorus bombs etc.
If plans to use chemical weapons or plague bombs, doctors to drive out beforehand reduces amount of credible witnesses of US sponsored atrocities.
DWB should get some free Manpads.
Heard DC was handing them out to anybody
A MANPAD sounds like a place where two guys from SF would go to.
Or something that Caitlyn would wear.
Imagine how it will be to realise that you are not with the good guys, and that there is no such things as bad guys and good guys. There are different perspectives and different motives.
It was not a hospital. The enemy was hding there.
We know that msf is a bunch of left wing, humanistic terrorist- lovers.
Leaving aside the sheer stupidity of the first sentence of your post, you cap it off with the assertion that somehow being humanistic is a negative trait and that if you are not with us you are with the "enemy".
I suppose you're too dumb to realise that your statements combined signify you that you consider HUMANITY TO BE YOUR ENEMY.
You are so righteous in your stupidity that it prevents from seeing who your real enemy is. pro-tip: they are not known for their humanism.
Is consistent logical - US government is enemy of humanity.
Given you obviously have internet access, there's really no excuse for being so uninformed.
Stupidity is another thing altogether. I don't think there's a fix for that.
Imagine how it will be to realise that you are not with the good guys, and that there is no such things as bad guys and good guys. There are different perspectives and different motives.
It was not a hospital. The enemy was hding there.
We know that msf is a bunch of left wing, humanistic terrorist- lovers.
Please leave.
We shot some folks....FORE!...errr...Forward!
The hospitals! He hates these hospitals! Stay away from the hospitals!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcwz8-EfFYE
Obama hates doctors in the states as well, but as far as I know, he hasn't sent any AC-130 Spectre gunships after them....yet.
War crime. Put them on trial. Gunners and commanders both. Giving and obeying an illegal order.
If you know the ID of the people involved (Gunner, Commander and their CO), document it, and send it to ZH or to 'Leakypedia' (or whatever they call themselves).
If Tyler won't publish it, he'll safeguard it, and maybe even pass it or sell it to the right people.
The point is: No War Crime will Go Undocumented, No War Criminal Will Go Unpunished. Do your part, however small. If you know something, spread the info/intel for posterity and future War Crime Tribunals.
Sadly, as US State Department claims, "nobody investigates itself more thoroughly or aggressively than the United States military.", this episode will come and go with no USSA official held to account. Shameful, hyporicatal regime.
here's a hint why:
'It's Time to Treat Doctors Without Borders as a Terrorist Organization'
are you surprised that the world leader in bombing hospitals and UN facilities has ordered its pawns to kill more doctors and nurses who might treat the victims of its aggression? A country that attacked it's own "ally" to try to lie it into a war, whose agents were largely responsible for US entry into WW1, and the Iraq war, and now Syria?
The intent is clearly to deter all MDs to help this Org, and to thus raise the Cost of Warfare to all opposing combatants. Therefore...
/ Suggest such combatants (a) Claim that they are "Moderate Rebels", and (b) Get medical aid at Israeli hospitals. /s
Anybody remember that BBC broadcast "pre private Manning-Wikileaks" in early 2004 when they announced the video communications clip that "looked like a possible war crime" of the Air Force F-16 pilot communicating with ground forces "laughing uncontrollably" as he obliterates several dozen Iraqi civilians fleeing a building?.. Keep in mind this was a few months after Abu Ghraib and our reputation wasn't what you might call "thumbss up"!
When I saw it for the first time 11 years ago after I got over the shock I said to myself 1) I hope that pilot gets locked away for life after doing what he just had done and 2) The BBC was doing what journalists are supposed to do by "calling it like it is",i.,e. Murrow/Cronkite "esk"... and maybe we would turn the corner after this with an investigation with punishment!
Then complete radio silence on that broadcast as if it never happened!
Fast forward to 2007 and I asked myself than how is that a private in the U.S. Army does the same thing that a BBC journalist does and goes to jail for life while the journalist just simply walks away?!!!
Truly amazing!
I like this Tyler's reporting style. Keep up the good work!
Which god will reward these American scum?
Freya?
Only on a Friday!
Channeling Dana Carvey: "Can you say...oh...my, well...
- S A T A N?"
Kali Ma, the destroyer goddess
those doctors without borders are known tttttuuuuuurrrrrriiiiisssssttttttssss. kill them all! usa!usa!usa!
ISIS, Israel, Iraq, And Syria: It’s All Part Of The Plan
RKH, wazzup? You some kinda "Renegade Investigative Journalist"? You seem to have way too much info at your fingertips, to be a run-of-the-mill blogger.
Keep up the good work. And don't let the bass-turds get you yanked on procedure.
According to Doctors Without Borders, "The TPP will still go down in history as the worst trade agreement for access to medicines in developing countries."
I guess when you go up against big corporations that now rule the world and bought off the governments, you run the risk of you or your hospital and patients getting shot up if you speak out against their revenue and control schemes.
Don't the assholes in Washington realize that this kind of behavior just gives potential REAL enemies of the USA to do the exact same thing to them (and it will eventually happen)??? By continually disregarding past conventions on things like the "rules" of warfare and international law the USA has effectively removed those same protections from US military personnel and even US citizens. It has to stop before it's too late . . . unfortunately it probably already is too late.
WTF are you talking about?
You the US should stop hunting ISIS to prevent things like 9/11? Do you actually BELIEVE what you are saying? If you do, you're delusional.
Learn to read what people write, you may end up and begin to think.
If America didn't go fucking about in other parts of the world, do you think terrorism would increase, or decrease.
I'm being serious, in your case.
Do you think that they wanted to prevent 9/11? If you do, you're delusional.
MSF General Director Christopher Stokes told reporters the organization was still awaiting an explanation from the U.S. military.
HAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!
Uhhh, Uhhhh
We colateral damaged some folks?
it's war but we have to be civilized about it....maybe we need some sues on beheading like "one clean blow" and "no sawing allowed"...
What a goat screw, right down to the edge of the knife. What kind of gunship commander fails to pause for a moment at the specter of an enemy target lit up at night like a christmas fucking tree?
The same kind of people who spray chemicals 24/7 from aircraft.
Full Metal Retard rules man: Anyone running from a hospital is a Taliban, anyone remaining in a hospital is a well disciplined Taliban.
How can you shoot women and children?
Aim and pull the trigger. How can a mother murder a child no yet born? Easy, just rationalize it away and allow it to haunt you for the rest of your life unless you do not have a conscience, which many do not and of the ones that do; it can be described as a malfunctioning conscience, for there is no fixed standard of behavior/morality as there once was.
Easy,, you just don't lead them so much
https://youtu.be/MDU97qv9AC8
It's easy if you are an American.
Right on!
But I thought only Terrorists went after Soft Targets?
Oh. Right.
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. . . a violation of the international rules of war . . not that old chestnut, puleaze. If this were true the USSofA have been violating international rules of war since . . . er, since, er . . . time immemorial . . . even before Den.
The real question is ' when will ISIS stop accepting Benny Bucks for Services rendered ? '
The general population couldn't care less as the Red Team/Blue Team mentality is still in effect. Lives don't seem to matter so much as the pathological yearning to be right. Obama is in office and the Blue Team are the peaceniks so this couldn't be happening, is justified or was an innocent mistake.
Planes leaving behind trails of body parts belonging to innocent people/children and whole portions of ME and Latin American populations migrating around as the world falls apart is actually some perverse sign of success because the figure head in power is a kind and loving chap.
Passing cloaked trade agreements, bombing 7 sovereign nations and blowing up hospitals is just par for the course and the indoctrinated will find a way to justify it and rationalizations will just keep shifting to fit any new information, assuming there will be any new information squeaking through at all. Then the Red Team will be back in the figure head position and they will blow up Al Jazeera again or some such thing and that will be okay too. Fuck me Freddy, it's enough to drive you nuts.
Nuts? Shit, it's driven me insane. No, fuck that: I'm OUTsane. There. Out of the closet with it. And the mofo's you dissed on are the ones responsible.
Anyone see my meds, BTW? Got any SSRI's I can borrow?
I have decided to shorten my stay a little by taking up smoking American Spirits (them shits are delicious) and drinking piss poor cabernet to an excess.
I think we can all agree there is unlikely ever to be a Hollywood film made depicting the events described in this Dante's Inferno. And if there is, it'll be from the viewpoint of some member of a gunship crew who had to make a "tortuous decision" as to whether or not he should mow down unarmed people fleeing the scene.
"it'll be from the viewpoint of some member of a gunship crew who had to make a "tortuous decision" as to whether or not he should mow down unarmed people fleeing the scene."
Correction:
it'll be from the viewpoint of a courageous freedom-loving American Hero of a gunship crew who had to make a "tortuous decision" as to whether or not he should mow down unarmed people fleeing the scene.
There just human beings; hell we murder them before their born and steal their body parts for profit and do nothing; what the big deal...I am being very sarcastic, but the point is we do not value human life in any form and both war and abortion have touched nearly every person who reads this in a negative way.
Private Joker: "How can you shoot innocent women and children like that?"
Helicopter gunner: "It's easy. You just don't lead them as much."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
Yet when Serbs were fighting KLA in Racak the result was over 70 days of brutal bombardment (including, yeah, hospitals):
"The killings were a major factor in NATO deciding to use force against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to end its campaign of violence against Kosovo Albanians."
From the same article, in case there is some doubt about what really happened:
"It was in fact an empty village that the police entered in the morning, sticking close to the walls. The shooting was intense, as they were fired on from KLA trenches dug into the hillside. The fighting intensified sharply on the hilltops above the village. Watching from below, next to the mosque, the AP journalists understood that the KLA guerrillas, encircled, were trying desperately to break out. A score of them in fact succeeded, as the police themselves admitted."[22]
Another French journalist writing for Le Monde, Christophe Chatelot, gave an account from the perspective of the two AP journalists:
"When at 10 a.m. they entered the village in the wake of a police armored vehicle, the village was nearly deserted. They advanced through the streets under the fire of the Kosovo Liberation Army (UCK) fighters lying in ambush in the woods above the village. The exchange of fire continued throughout the operation, with more or less intensity. The main fighting took place in the woods. The Albanians who had fled the village when the first Serb shells were fired at dawn tried to escape. There they ran into Serbian police who had surrounded the village. The UCK was trapped in between. The object of the violent police attack on Friday was a stronghold of UCK Albanian independence fighters. Virtually all the inhabitants had fled Ra?ak during the frightful Serb offensive of the summer of 1998. With few exceptions, they had not come back. 'Smoke came from only two chimneys,' noted one of the two AP TV reporters."
Yeah, well, the Serbs were idiots for not adopting the Attila principle: Surrender or die to the last man, woman and child.
You only need to do this a few times, and word gets out. In the long run, it saves lives (on both sides), come to find out.
Of course the modern day Christianity-poisoned masses don't get this.
Well, being basically a frontier land it is hard to explain what is going on to others until they experience it for themselves. At one point someone in Serbia said half-seriously that they should build a wall toward the Albania to steam illegal immigration and were promptly rebuked by the countries that are building their own walls now. Asking Albanians to keep in check their birth rate was "racist", but paying for their social security, education, health care etc. while they were refusing to pay even basic utility bills was just OK. And then when you can't find jobs for all those products of baby-making factories they are within their rights to claim "oppression". Cue in NATO bombs on Serbian cities with Die Walkure playing and you get the picture...
Don't get me wrong, losing Kosovo was bad experience but it seems that in the greater scheme of things Serbia won't be the worst one off over there.
maybe the poppies are blooming, and we know the cia hates anyone interfering with their harvest.
Why is the US still fighting in Afghanistan 13 years later? Who gives a shit, humanity and the USA lost. Capital always wins, so book your profits Halliburton and go find another country and culture to remove from earth. Your mission is eroding what's left of our souls, let alone what used to be thought of as national pride.
Thirteen years of occupation and war? What the hell is the end game here? The Taliban LIVE there and they will outlast the Americans and the goddamned cockroaches. Just what the hell - is the US trying the reduce it reputation to "the worst of the evil axis"? North Korea doesn't run around the world destorying civilizations for their own good, and certainly neither does Iran or Russia, or whoever we're supposed to officially hate. They actually have a case for "defense" becaus ethey live there, for centuries. We don't. Just what the actual fuck -
it's pretty ugly.
the whole point of having ground advisors is to avoid tragic mistakes like this - and hit the right targets. we don't know what the Green Berets saw, or think they saw. But deploying an AC-130 for an hour on a hospital is a heck of a raw deal.
I bet I won't hear about this story on NPR. If it involved the bombing of a gay clinic then maybe.
The U.S. has become the Beast we are supposedly fighting against.
Sad days for Amerika.
It became that beast a LONG time ago
MSF should not be surprised that the US military targeted them for providing treatment to people shooting at US military personnel. These are literally professional killers, staking your life on them holding back in such a circumstance is world-class dumb.
And to top the damage control/fallout of this horrific story... This in from Langley's favorite!
If this isn't the worst most shameful "PR" for a news organization poossible please show me one that is worse?!!!
PS
Does anyone out there have some leftover nano thermite or know how to make it from scratch?
Cause I've got a building I'd like you to collapse within it's own footprint at free fall accelerated speed after lunch hour with all the employees in it!
Pick any day of the week you want to make that happen! But do it ASAP!!!
Firing on surrendering troops is a capital offense war crime. Firing on fleeing civilians is exponentially worse. May all involved burn in hell with a rotating flaming iron pineapple up their ass for eternity.
I resigned from the military when I saw the immoral actions by the US military. Everyone that stays in has blood on their hands. ETS or resign. Do not be part of morally corrupt and evil activities. Besides you did take an oath.
DWB was there specificly to treat isis/insurgents. paid for by the usa taxpayer. it is the .medic. for the ragheads...just ask the docs and they will tell you they have treated 'the enemy' for years....
What you cqan expect? From DUMB, DUMBER, DUMBEST country?? Which think toppling foreign leaders is a OK? Which financed, armed, trained a 2 headed snakes terrorists are a good thing??
Watching for decades, this idiots nation?? I have lower expectations for this country already. Much lower than mine..
Looks like CabalA$$LickerLiarDemonicObamma had too much of heroin
I check my neighborhood every day while walking my dog - I have NOT seen any Taliban! What war? And why are we fighting 6,000 miles away? If the Taliban mount a charge, I have plenty of time to get ready! Hell, I can pick them off one by one with my Barrett .50 when they step on Plymouth Rock...