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The Most Surprising Thing About Today's Jobs Report
After several months of weak and deteriorating payrolls prints, perhaps the biggest tell today's job number would surprise massively to the upside came yesterday from Goldman, which as we noted earlier, just yesterday hiked its forecast from 175K to 190K. And while as Brown Brothers said after the reported that it is "difficult to find the cloud in the silver lining" one clear cloud emerges when looking just a little deeper below the surface.
That cloud emerges when looking at the age breakdown of the October job gains as released by the BLS' Household Survey. What it shows is that while total jobs soared, that was certainly not the case in the most important for wage growth purposes age group, those aged 25-54.
As the chart below shows, in October the age group that accounted for virtually all total job gains was workers aged 55 and over. They added some 378K jobs in the past month, representing virtually the entire increase in payrolls. And more troubling: workers aged 25-54 actually declined by 35,000, with males in this age group tumbling by 119,000!
Little wonder then why there is no wage growth as employers continue hiring mostly those toward the twilight of their careers: the workers who have little leverage to demand wage hikes now and in the future, something employers are well aware of.
The next chart shows the break down the cumulative job gains since December 2007 and while workers aged 55 and older have gained over 7.5 million jobs in the past 8 years, workers aged 55 and under, have lost a cumulative total of 4.6 million jobs.
The same chart as above showing the full breakdown by age group - once again the 25-54 age group sticks out.
But young workers' loss is old workers' gain, as the following chart of total jobs held by those aged 55 and over shows. As of October, there was a record 33.8 million workers in the oldest age group tracked by the BLS - the same workers who, as noted above, also have the poorest wage negotiating leverage.
Finally, the most disappointing data point in today's report is that while overall labor growth was solid, the participation rate for workers 25-54, was 80.7%, far below is peak of just under 85%, and below the 80.8% at the end of 2014.
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Why not the boomers have stolen evrything else
Does the report show how many geriatric hookers have joined the work force? ;-)
Looney
Yup 378K whores ;)
Yeah well lemme tell you where all these old people are working: Home Depot. Used to be you never saw middle aged / old people wearing a Home Depot or grocery store uniform. Now you see it all the time. These used to be entry-level, or next-to entry-level jobs, but no more. Now they are the only jobs to be had.
Sorry I jumped in front of you above.
No country for middle-aged men.
People used to thank God they were born white and middle class in the US. Less so now.
Yeah but we are putting our elderly back to work. That has to be a good thing right?
Recovery - Full Layoff List: http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
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Companies can't afford to hire stupid any longer.....so they've stopped doing it.
Right, instead they've hired people who still think their browser is the entire internet.
It is if you're using Internet Explorer.
<=== Bullshit Numbers ... The Country Is Finished...
<=== Great News, We Are Saved, THANKS Obie And The Banksters.
55 and over aren't infected with PC multiculti SJW nonsense.
Atop that let me guess that the employers are not picking up the health insurance cost of these declining folks.
55 and over don't have a Cell Phone and don't need to check it every 2 minutes
1 in 3 have nothing saved for retirement either....that's a pretty good motivation.
Another 1 in 3 probably has an unemployed, over-miseducated adult child living in the basement and needing support. Hence the need for the 55+ crowd to need a job.
This report does not reflect the yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge grey market of cash jobs out there-- convenience stores, small hotels, electricians, etc. working "off the books."
I'm 53 now, another year or two and the job market is really going to open up for me. YEA!
In addition to needing a reason to get out of the house, since the person living in their basement rarely does.
There are exceptions of course, but most of the > 40 years olds can and do work circles around the < 40 year olds I know. Not just performance, but work ethic and physical stamina too.
My 84-year old dad has an old flip phone with no texting function but it still taxes his patience when using.
I gave you a greeny but the truth is that those ove 55 are the ones who started this whole SJW bullshit.
No comrad, is not finished, is only beginning! Kruschev is realize communist compulsion is ever lose against capitalist incentive, and only way prevail over USA is from inside, not with tank or weaponry, but by Socialist infiltration. Now almost 1/2 of House of Congress is adopt Socialist program (e.g. Obamacare), while other half is mambly mouth cannot is argue way out of paper sack. Almost 1/2 of population is dependency upon government hand out.
Boris speak truth
This is G. Edward Griffin's shocking video interview, Soviet Subversion of the Free-World Press (1984), where he interviews ex-KGB officer and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov who decided to openly reveal KGB's subversive tactics against western society as a whole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
The collective is coming!
Thhe Frankfurt School got started on us in the 30's and 40', mostly german commies fleeing the Nazis. No doubt they ended up with foreign support, maybe soviet, but we put up with and coddled their sad asses in our academic hothouses.
The Nazi's and The Soviet are the true left / right paradigm either way they are the Collective.
Each requires subservience to the State, the 'greater good' and the ends always justify the means
The Nazi's found fertile ground and sprouted as NEO-CONs
The Soviet was stripped of it hard outer shell and bloomed in the Boomer, Jewish liberal garden of academia
Wolverines!
dear hillary,
grandpa fucked me out of my entry level job. would you please extend fafsa to at least age 40 so i can get several degrees in several majors and a few advanced degrees. the more eduction, the more valuable i am to society. (you taught me that). and please continue with the liberal grading criteria agenda, as #Everyone DeservesA's is a great policy and all work and no play makes for a dull life. of course, our fafsa grants are COLA +10% and of course (wink) i know my loans will be forgiven. by the time i am 40, i might be ready to contribute to this world. thank you, #NewWorldOrder=Hillary
true left / right paradigm
The true right left paradigm is that the left is total govt and the right is anarchy. Folks decide where inbetween that they want to be. It seems that the two parties want us to believe that the balance is between them with either more or less of one or the other. Dont fall for that unless you like being pinned down between those two.
I would like to see us head back in the direction of anarchy and away from big govt. No I do not want anarchy just less govt.
Fuck the left/right paradigm.
I prefer the Up versus Down paradigm.
Same happened in W. Germany in the 60's. Several false flags and a lot of subversion by the KGB made that country into a more socialist one.
I think your missing the point, not more socialist just less rightist more leftist
National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/?na?ts?z?m/), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state as well as other far-right groups.
communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state
Chemisrty has an anology that works
A molecule is chiral/?ka??r?l/ if there is another molecule—in reality or in potential—that is of identical composition, but which is arranged in a non-superposable mirror image configuration. The presence of anasymmetric carbon atom is a main structural feature that induces chirality in molecules,
Flip sides same coin
The Baader-Meinhoff and Red Brigades false flags were run through the Operation Gladio networks by the CIA and MI5. The subversion was through the lying Western news media. During that time the Soviets complained about Western "revanchism". They were right and all the proof you need is The Ukraine takeover using the Bandarist networks we covertly kept alive for the right opportunity.
mambly mouth
+1000
Mumbley-peg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumblety-peg
Boris' story is confirmed by highlevel whisteblower from 1970's dr.peter beter. ( u can't make this stuff up)
Yep, I get SS and a Gov't pension. I'm not naive though and have a back up plan that involves gold, silver, and lead. Fuck working at Home depot.
Or Chrome and especially a Chromebook
what are good alternatives to either firefox or IE ?
What constitutes "good"? For security/privacy, one might try the Tor browser, but that's based, I believe, on Firefox. The new Firefox version 42 has tracking protection, if that's what you're looking for. For most of us, Google and the NSA will still know everything about us, including the current color of your socks.
There is a large difference between TOR and Firefox. I am not geeky enough to really explain but suffice to say TOR hoops and frustrates the spy guys; anonoymizes the point of origin of traffic and way more. This, in my limited wish to understand the internal combustion engine or TV set....I am not claiming to know anything more than my 2 year search for privacy.
Tor has been mentioned by the spy guys. They don't like it because it is not easy to crack the back doors. So that is all I need.
what are good alternatives to either firefox or IE ?
TOR
The browser that NSA and gov's hate. TOR and please do not just download BUT do pay for it somehow with a bit of a donation. TOR.
Newsflash, newsflash. Google decided years ago that the browser is the internet. Some of us have noticed. Now is your opportunity too.
What's a browser?
No, they are hiring people who don't spend half their work day on Facebook and texting their BFF's.
Given a choice between a 55-yr old with 30 years experience and a 25-yr old that knows the internet is more than just a browser, guess who most business owners will hire? And that is why you fail.
Thats why you wont get hired, we need people who know how to use a hammer. Instead we are given girly boy feminists, that only understand facebook. I !@# you not, we had un an under 20s guy, who was putting feathers in his hair. I told him they have lice, whats wrong with you, he complained i was mean, and then got fired. The guy was useless couldnt add and subtact knew nothing, his commet was just google it, you dont need to know anything.
Maybe they're hiring REAL workers on the top and in-house sex workers on the bottom.
I saw a major retailer hire stupid at headquarters for 15 years, now they can't fire them fast enough. Yes, Stupid does exist out there!
Right, every baby boomer hired is working on splitting the atom, sending a rocket to mars and the cure for cancer...
The comments above are a bit harsh and poorly expressed, but their essential point is good. If you're a service industry recruiter in what's left of the debased, debt-saturated economy, which would you choose: the younger person with less practical knowledge and experience and statistically greater unreliability and likelihood of flip-flopping between jobs, or the older person with a good resume, reliability, better education, interpersonal skills and commitment, and with lower expectations of the employer vis: long term opportunity, benefits and pension?
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE BEING "FREED UP" FOR MILITARY RECRUITMENT. THE PSYCHOPATHS ARE GOING TO NEED CANNON FODDER.
I agree. Take the broke guy/gal who has nothing saved OR had their minimal investments flushed in 2000 and again in 2008..and not get nothing from the casino and nothing from a bank? Employer will hire the older person who has a history of showing up. Who has a history of business and needs the job. Will hire a person who understands that taking personal phone calls and texting is not allowed. A person who is not covered in piercings and tatoos with multi-coloured hairdos. A person who dresses in a clean manner for the job.
Not the person with student loans who lives in the basement and uses every excuse for everything.
They used to be retired; had to come out of retirement to supplement their lower-value SS payments and Medicare and no/low-interest CDs and savings rates.
Agreed. Add $10,000/year, often times more, property taxes to pay outrageously high government pensions to the expenses. Fortunately for some, they paid off their mortgages.
What you said and also pay for their kids that have moved back home.
Retirees got their notice of property tax increase and notice of no COLA in that same month...
This industry is always in need of YOUNG workers:
http://www.thepornster.net/video/67/
Wait until you see the money shot around those "employees" :)))
How many fucking Walmart greeters can you possibly hire?
Won't they replace the greeters with robots at some point?
So the elderly are now having to go back to work... great job
Obama will put a freeze on dog food price increases in order to help the elderly.
Survivability is determined by productivity, and as always in the redistributionist's world somebody has to do it. Seniors are seeing an imminent threat to their retirement and doing what they can to bolster it. No income on savings, no security in the markets, the threat that if you have ANY assets, you will be denied the benefits you were promised AND PAID FOR. So hell yes we're still working and will keep on working until they outlaw it. Fully expect to see legislation similar to child labor laws making it ILLEGAL to hire the elderly...for their own good of course.
Younger people have enjoyed a much greater period of indoctrination than most boomers and as such are willing to believe that working or not, they will be coddled and protected as a VICTIM of capitalism, and as such will reject the notion of actual work. As far as I know there is NO employer discriminating against young people. As a matter of fact, as an employer I can tell you that even with Obamacare, the mandatory premiums for insurance are considerably higher for those over 50, and as a boomer, we are NOT moving or thinking any quicker.
So what's the deal?
Why is it that boomers are actually gaining jobs while the rest are not?
Another evil JEWISH plot?
Old people just begging to work until they can't walk?
Fucking lazy IGNORANT PEOPLE.
Or they have woken up to the fact that work is overrated. Hanging on in quiet desperation is no way to live your life.
"Or they have woken up to the fact that work is overrated."
When the basic deal is "work yourself to death for a pittance, and get poorer every week" it is not surprising that more and more people are coming to the conclusion that working is nothing but a scam.
It is a choice. The difference is that in order to eat SOMEONE must produce. Those working, even for a pittance will either do so, or the rest of the "wise to the scam" will starve....unless you think you can print food as well. These enlightened folks may feel smart but ultimately they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Smart people understand that regardless of how unfair the world might be, there is only one way to save one's own ass, and that is to produce. Free Shit Ends.
And as now, we see that those who visualize the end are busily blaming those who saw it much earlier and prepared for it.
WOKEN [woh-kuh n] (v.): Sexual relations with a wookiee, a native of Kashyyyk
It's not only that work is overrated, the way it is envisioned it does just NOT bring happiness everyones strives for. The younger generation was taught to "work hard and you will suceed" but the old folks never succeeded themselves! You can see it in their eyes. It is not from hard work, it is from slow realization that work alone does not bring salvation. It can bring material possessions but that is not enough. Stop lying and hope your secret will die with you in your grave.
The younger generation will be someday faced with decision to stop working or it will destroy the whole planet. This is what we are coming to with these "work religion" that brings stupid growth, competitions, guilt, toxic material and emotional piss on every stone on this planet.
The very word "work" is nothing but euphemism and means "do what I believe is right in my eyes you must do". Well, I wouldn't bet on those beliefs.
Then starve.
Agree with you Oldwood. The easy credit system has warped all views and definitions of reality, priced both in asset values and income. Money has been completely debauched which means that work is not looked at as a way of living, but as an inconvenient duty because regardless of work, credit exists so handouts in some form will always flow from .gov. Young people have a rude awakening coming because many actually believe that credit is income.
Old people are working only because savings (if they have savings) are not producing a return and they 'feel' something is wrong with the system.
Its the only thing we know how to do. We were never properly taught to beg, as later generations have been.
But who taught them to beg?
You can't have it both ways.
Government and government schools, that's who. It's called indoctrination.
yup, and those of us who shop there are so glad that they are finally hiring some folks who know just a bit about hardware. There is nothing worse than going to Home Depot looking for door parts for a complex repair, only to be confronted with some dumb young blonde who tells you she has no knockers at all.....
But if she had knockers, you'd follow her all around the store.
Well, this oldie built his home, (stick by stick),,, plumbed it,,, wired it,,, everything but the slab.
Back when we had production,,, This oldie spent three years in an apprentice program for industrial electrician,,, worked on conveyor systems, 800 hp electric moters, locomotives...you name it.
These days the new generations only know how to swipe or tap their ithingies and sexting while living with their parents drawing the Social Security they (youngins) always bitch about how they're paying for it.
Home Depot or any building supply was never a "entry level" job. Had one college edumacated Lowes twenty something that didn't know why some knobs on faucets were red and some blue. A auto store youngin who laughed at me when I asked for a tire spoon, telling me to go to bed and bath. lol.
You want decent jobs,,, Go to China,,, that's where our corporate idiots and their bought elected morons sent them.
Agree with you till the end....our corporate idiots DID NOT sent our decent jobs to China...we did. We bought the fucking Chinese and Japanese and Vietnamese shit because the crap our next door neighbor was making was TOO DAMNED EXPENSIVE, or at least that is what we told ourselves. Until Obamacare and state insurance legislation we were not FORCED to buy ANYTHING. WE CHOSE....POORLY, and now we have the consequences. Sure corporations and government lied to us about trade and "free" trade, but if we are so fucking stupid that we believe every lie we are told, especially when we know better, then we deserve the royal assfucking we are about to receive.
Agreed. WAY too many people don't think the overseas jobs issue through. It is the CONSUMER, and government, who are sending jobs overseas. The consumer refuses to pay double for the made in USA trinket and the government strangles businesses with regulations, forcing them to raise prices or move overseas.
In the end, though, over the next many years, wages for similar jobs will equalize across the world - minus shipping and government regulation costs. Consumers won't have it any other way (won't pay for the higher wages and regulation). If someone in the US won't take the same wage as someone in Mexico the job will be done in Mexico.
Your opinion is based on an assumption that one cannot retain a "protected" economy. You may be right, but have we tried? I'm not proposing protectionism enforced by government or law, but by simple acts of self preservation based on the reinforcement of fact, that to buy imports harms your economy, especially when YOU KNOW that you are running a massive and continuous trade imbalance. If people were just TOLD, rather than being lied to it MIGHT make a difference. Admittedly, I am more cynical in regards to the human's ability to actually ACT in a truly self interested rather than selfish way than ever before. We see people destroyed daily for simply trying to speak the truth. Admittedly it is media that does the actual destroying, but even still people have to be willing to tolerate this shit for it to really work. It is the ONE thing I like about Trump, in that he has said what he thought and press has tried to destroy him in every way possible, and he does not flinch or retreat. This is the key I think...simply no retreat. Individually it is hard when you don't have Donald's bank account, but still, it's the only thing that would work.
Central bank policy decisions had nothing to do with it?
A guy waiting in line in front of me at Advance Auto asked for a "cap and rotor" for a '91 Chevy 350 truck motor from the mouth breather behind the counter. Employee thought the guy needed brake parts. Customer walked out in disgust.
It's all corporate BS, the corporations don't want their employees to really know anything about their jobs, just that they're automatons in dead-end positions thay can be easily fired from. Just wait 'til the Common Core monsters start entering the workforce.
A real mouth breather type waited on me at Advance one time, he didn't know you could scroll on the computer and screen he was using. I had to show this recent HS grad how to use scroll functions on the keyboard.
Unbelievable.
Home Depot stores are WAY overstaffed; and they're pretty worthless to boot...it's like a government entity, tons of employees, but no one can help you.
I needed a pallet taken down from a high shelf...it was like I asked them to move the earth.
1. Employee I asked for help had to "call someone".
2. That person, 15 minutes later, in an empty store, showed up with 2 other people...4 employees involved now.
3. Two employees guard the end of the ails to prevent morons from walking under a heavy pallet 20' in the air.
4. One employee drives the fork.
5. One employee just stands there and watches.
Took nearly half an hour to get that pallet down...rediculous.
Was in there once looking to special order a sink...NO ONE could help me...the lady that could help me was "at lunch"..are you serious!...I went to Menards which is further away but MUCH better service even though the place is busy and has FEWER employees...Menards is a "get it done" culture where Home Depot is a "Not my job" or "I can't do it alone" culture.
Installing a new shower stall. Lowes price $1328.00 Local Hardware store price $647.00. I shit you not. Same fucking item. Will never use big box hardware again..ever.
Low end 60" white vinyl sliding patio door...
Home Depot: "Special Order" and it's a $622.
Menards: In stock and it's $319...same fucking door!
https://www.menards.com/main/specialty-exterior-doors/patio-doors/jeld-w...
http://www.homedepot.com/p/JELD-WEN-60-in-x-80-in-V-2500-Series-Vinyl-Sl...
'Muricah.
Get to the back of the bus nigger.
It is what we see happening everywhere. Corporations see actual competition for market share far too expensive when they can simply buy out their competitors with debt or stock. Once they own that market place they can feel free to charge what they will and do as little as possible. Small business understands that the ONLY THING that matters is customer satisfaction. Corporations don't care even a little, as long as they can buy up any competition. There is nothing new with this except debt and stock evaluations. If business is smart enough and tough enough to win market share and actually develop the wealth to dominate their markets, it is one thing. But when they can simply "invent" money and buy up everyone else, that's fucked up.
Best post of the day.
Wow, you have it SO ROUGH! Good God.. somebody call the WAMMBULANCE!!!! Pussy
At least he spells most of his words correctly. What ails him is an inability to properly spell aisle.
Yup right on.. I'm not old or inexperienced but Home Depot is where I'm working.. it's hell.. gotta serve all the selfish entitled folks left that have money and security... 90% are complete assholes at the store and go out of there way to be annoying, demanding and just downright mean while they play with all their money haphazardly in their own little reality bubble. I used to have real jobs with real wages, but there just arent' enough of them anymore. So I work at home depot with lots of older folks and some younger ones. "Welcome to Walmart.. I love you" - Idiocracy
My brother In Law worked at Home Depot and actually got fired because he argued with a customer who had told him to mix up five gallons of expensive deck paint and then decided she wanted something cheaper. He told he couldn't do that...thinking he was protecting the company, and the customer filed a complaint on him...and he was gone. Some sad stories out there....and unfortunately if told, would sound extremely racist.
Absolutely true. I do volunteer social work and it is now well known that if you are older and need a job, Home Depot is where to go. And it's all part-time hours. One guy I know is almost 70, had a liver transplant, working both Home Depot and driving a shuttle. Both part-time.
Damn, you're right about that. I have been renovating a guest house over the past 2 months and have spent alot of time at Home Depot and noticed about half of the staff in there are aged 40+. I began to think to myself, how are these people surviving on $11 an hour? Mind you, I bet none of them are working full shifts. 4 hours, maybe 6 if they are lucky.
$11 an hour? Management maybe.
Temp, part-time holiday season jobs...
I am still waiting for someone to explain how 94 million or 1/3 of our country not working = 5% unemployment?
Debt and printed money being handed out by our generous lords. If debt and money printing had not occurred, we would have nipped this shit in the bud thirty years ago. Easy money is addictive and destructive as any drug.
Actually you're wrong. Home depot originally was populated by people that had actually done the painting/plumbing/electrical work in the past.
just so you know.
Occum's Razor = You are Foched!
No, no whores Enceladus SLAVES we call them.
Elderly: We need more workers to support us in our retirement!
Young: We need to keep those old timers working to support us!
Yay for us old farts!!!
Elderly: We need more workers to support us in our retirement!
Young: We need to keep those old timers working to support us!
Elderly & Young: I think our government might be screwing us on all fronts...
I can't wait until I turn 55. Maybe then someone will hire me!
... and you'll be entitled to 'senior coffee' at McD's for 70 cents...
And with these old farts working at Home Depot finding a replacement for a blown fuse will be easier.
Viagra
Gee, why aren't the Lame Steam Media pointing out this little kernel of truth?
Nothing personal Enceladus but you're full of shit.
Well my microcephalic friend the numbers don't lie
Boomers have been feted with tax rates that have fallen steadily since JFK was around, been boosted by ever falling interest rates, have shown little to no concern for increasing deficits and debt (present company excluded) A generous pay go Social Security system that will be insolvent in 10 years (if you are under 50). Unending wars have kept their gas and comodities cheap. Allowing them second homes and three cars. All with a 'Put it on the tab' attitude. Then to add insult to injury some of them sit here and say things like suck it up you young punks we didn't have anyone looking out for us when we gutted it out. Well 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities says Fuck You!
Hindsight is 20-20.
What are you doing now and what politicians and ideologies and changes are you supporting now that the youth in 30 or 40 years will point to and say, "There, there, and there you selfish POS. That's where you destroyed this country and our future?"
You have no idea how many of those elderly workers did what they could to prevent this from happening or just had no idea what was happening because they were too busy getting by day-to-day, or truly believed that what they were doing was right.
Nothing personal. Just don't be anachronisitic, and remember that everyone lives in a glass house, so be careful where you lob those rocks.
That's fine, I get your point just spare me the sanctimonious bullshit about how you and Horatio Alger pulled yourselves up by the bootstraps. And if these asshole kids just buckled down they would make it. They're fucked and it's not really their fault.
In fact the problem has existed for many years and did not start with the Boomers. But how is it that they went from Hell No We Won't Go! to not looking a gift horse in the mouth. Get real the Prophet generation has become the Profit at all others expense generation.
You have no idea how many of those SS Guards did what they could to prevent this from happening or just had no idea what was happening because they were too busy getting by day-to-day, or truly believed that what they were doing was right.
I knew I heard this somewhere before.
Stole this link from below...gold
http://cdn.niketalk.com/6/67/500x1000px-LL-674a1131_image.jpeg
Glad you stole it. I wish it hung on the screen for 3 full minutes during the Super Bowl. Horatio Alger bullshit is spot on. The funny thing is the Boomers who didn't sell out are some of my biggest Hero's. The hypocrites outlined in that meme? Some of the most vile navel gazing fucks ever to disgrace the earth. They complained about gen xers the same way they assassinate Millenials. Guess what? Gen-X is the most productive generation in American history and also probably the most poorly compensated given their output. To be fair Boomers are the most efficient generation ever...at lining their own pockets and looting everything in sight.
To be fair Boomers are the most efficient generation ever...at lining their own pockets and looting everything in sight.
Which in all fairness is their right; just don't deny the entire system was rigged in your favor then piss down my back and tell me its raining.
Son what you need is some elbow grease, a work ethic, and some good old sticktoitiveness. Oh and a massive goverment subsidy and jobs in the Military Indusrial Complex
I think you need to look at some demographics before putting "boomers" into a specific economic group. I suppose by your definition, any boomers who do not enjoy the fruits of your proposed pillaging are simply brain dead losers who were standing behind the door when the candy was handed out. I'm sure you are quiet young and smart, just as we old people were once. Full of ourselves and convinced we knew more than anyone else. But at least allow yourself a little humility for your age and recognize that age does teach a few things, if not humility. And being so smart and full of spunk, please do, go out and show us how it is done...once you tire of whining about your pitiful circumstances. Too bad you aren't facing a draft threatening to send you to hell for a few years. Maybe then you might experience some true futility in life. Death.
Hey woody please read below (several comment south and note the humility)
They don't need a draft now just evaporate all the jobs and you have no choice but to 'serve'
All of you benefited every single one, and you still are. The ones who have nothing to show for it had their cake, and now want to be served even more on the dole.
I'm not that young my parent were born before WWII. During my life I have seen all manner of self-important floating excrement (I call boomers) who didn't like the advice of the depression generation. Turn out that light put on a sweater. In fact those profligate asshole (who didn't eat all their cake now sit back in their fancy dining cars smoking great big cigars while the children of today will be smashed and ground to dust in a way that will make your 19 months in Vietnam seem tame by comparison. So I'm sorry I have offended your over medicated, over fed, over sensitive sensibilities. But in your humility perhaps you could talk to the other deadwood and start a fire, revolt, disclaim your Social Security, Medicare etc. inheritance. Stop voting Neocon and Liberal fascists into office because you feel you have no choice. DO SOMETHING! It is different this time the stakes are very high. We need you and your kind to stand and deliver. Nobody else can do it we don't have the political weight.
P.S. To all you whatever’s you want to refer to yourselves as out there; it is condescending beyond belief to call anyone younger than you a whiner. When you know deep down in your heart of hearts that todays kids will most likely have to resort to cannibalism after the elites(of a certain demographic) ignite this shit show.
Fucking A. My father was Beat Generation thank god and actually was a parent to me. He also loathed boomer men and respect my generation as well as WWII gen.
And with good reason. Those Boomer white men who didn't go to Vietnam and sold us out by voting for the war on drugs and endless wars after protesting against the draft can eat a dick.
The minute the draft was gone they sold out as fast as they fucking could, divorced their boomer wives and married young and proceeded to spend 25+ years in power doing what else? Looting and giving up the peace after the fall of the USSR.
Boomers overwhelmingly drank the Kool Aid on 9/11 and still do. I've never met a millenial and few gen xers who buy that bullshit. Boomers were eager for war when they could send poor "professional soldiers" who had no job options off to die.
Then they clog up all the employment rolls sitting on executive positions that WWII generation retired from as soon as they possibly could. Why did WWII gen do that? To make room for a new generation.
From polls over the last 30 years, four generations offered their views on leaving stuff to their kids Gen X, Silent/Beat Gen and WWII Gen had all said they wanted to leave as much as possible to their children.
Boomers? They wanted to spend it all before they die. White male boomers are the worst generation in American history no generation has been gifted with such an incredible set of advantages. And no generation has worked so hard to keep it all for themselves and chain the below decks of future generations shut. And they haven't stoppe. They no longer dare to call ascendant Gen X lazy, they fucking know better (Gen X most productive generation EVER) they now call Millenials lazy while hiring their own instead (who is doing the hiring of boomers, why boomers of course!) Sickening.
"Work Ethic?? Hee hee - a good work ethic is the biggest reason someone 55 and older will be hired before someone checking their itoy every 5 minutes.
I can't disagree with most of what you say abou the peace, love and rock and roll generation. They have turned out to be everything they hated, including much more tyranical than any generation before them. They are perfectly willing to spend their childrents money like maniacs on the causes they think are important, completely ignorant of the fact they are dooming the next generation, which is laughably ironic considering all the talk in the 60s and 70s about the world we'd leave our kids.
I do take one issue though. I am a part of that generation and don't think for a minute I was in favor of any of it. And over the decades it has become increasingly futile discussing issues with younger people who have largely been indoctrinated with the same nonsense the boomers spout. The ideals of the boomers. The ones who shouted about questioning authority and being critical thinkers back in the 60s and 70s are now the establishment. And they have done their best to make sure the youth think critical thinking means criticizing everyone the establishment tells you to criticize.
Hugs
Just as when I'm pinned with, "Well grandpa what did you do to fix it" I won't have an answer either.
The harshness of my comments is generally reflective of the myopic, hard headed Boomers who seem to take zero responsibility.
Your comments are well reasoned and ultimately more correct than mine. But this country needs action from THE BOOMERS. Or else don't trust anyone over sixty will be the new mantra.
The Boomer deniers need to fall on their swords and revolt, or just kill themselve to free up resources for the only generation that will ever matter the NEXT one.
Exactly which resources can we free up for you son? A job? What would you like? Something where maybe you won't break a nail, soil a palm, or bring moisture to your brow?
It is no surprise as it never is, that the older generation is the devil as it is they who hold all of the wealth. Simple logic of wealth accumulation would tell you that the longer you accumulate, the more it will accumulate to be. Shocking that the potential of fifty years work would actually add up...well, under the assumption one doesn't piss it all away on hookers, blow, and insider stock tips. Unfortunately for those with reading skills, they discover that there are lots and lots of poor old people out there who do not own large amounts of shares in major corporation or blocks of apartment buildings. They are still working at Home Depot, housing their 40 year old kids and grandkids and trying to put food on the table, while listening about how their well educated and well entitled children just can't find a good job.
Pull your head out of your ass and look around and stop staring at Warren Buffett's ass. Or do us all a favor and just fall on your own sword, as the best generation may have well aready passed.
How do you accumulate without a job?
And if your kids and grandkids are living at home I would think you above all would see my point.
So again, Please explain to us how it is possible that hundreds of thousands of old fucks can find a job and you can't? Do we have a secret club or handshake?
Fools acting like the top .01% ruling the world and fucking us all are somehow part of a "generation". The only generation they are part of is the same one that has been fucking us since the beginning of time.
As a boomer, I have seen plenty of people work their asses off...to their death in some cases, trying to get a little ahead. Many paying for an education for their children that they could only dream of affording when they were young. And now they find their kids and grand kids living with them again. Retirement a long lost dream. I cannot speak for everyone, but neither can you, and for all your bitching and condemnations, plus demands that we worn out old farts DO something, why don't you try to narrow your focus down a little and figure out exactly WHO is to blame, and if your are honest, you will find more than a little in yourself, as most other honest people do.
If you owned your own business, would you rather hire a 55yr old or a 25yr old?
For physical labor, the 25yr old (but he wouldn't take the job anyway).
For anything else, esp. anything that required responsibility, promptness, correct attitude, engagement, simple math, critical thinking or any other non-video game or smart phone related skill: It's gonna be the 55yr old.
And the 16-24yr old bracket: Don't even get me started. Mufuggas can't even remember what day of the week it is, much less when they are supposed to show up for work.
+1 for making my point...I turn 55 soon, hire me. ;)
can you pour coffee and make change?
Yes I can! I can even get Bill of Rights large, cream only, no sugar and leave room for Bay of Pigs to put his own cream and or sugar in...every day.
Why not the boomers have stolen evrything else
yea, work ethic has nothing to do with it. As well as not being part of the FSA.
"Work Ethic"...hmm...looks like the boomers failed to instill it in their kids...I see it clearly...boomers expect little from thier kids but GIVE them everything they possibly can...most often to passify them so they can work more...fucking crazy people.
You missed it I guess. Progressives tell us it takes a village to raise children. Schools tell the children to not listen to their parents as they are old and unenlightened to modernity or "progress". Our children are told to not compete and if, then all deserves a trophy. And parents have been indoctrinated themselves into buying into this shit, along with the working wife who struggles to be both a man and a wife and mother...an impossible feat for most, and failing more often than not, and neither parent having the time to actual raise their children and instead told it would really be better if a professional did it anyway. Of course yo need to earn to pay for this and both the earner and the receiver are paying in evermore taxes to the government to cover the social costs of these boondoggles.
Progressive have designed this to be an infinitely uphill hill struggle for ANYONE to be raised with real moral principles that would allow them to succeed in anything but a bureaucratic maze. Rat fucking
^^^ This.
Boomers were too busy divorcing their spouse to marry a trophy wife and then outsourcing America to raise gen X or Millennials. Boomers will go down as the worst generation in American history overseeing the destruction of this country in favor of lining their own pockets in the short term. Born into the most powerful nation ever and will retire with it circling the drain. But by all means blame Millenials who have never been in power and votes in one presidential election.
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As a boomer married three times, I can honestly say there was no trophy involved, unless there is one for stupidity.
The real issue for boomers to stay married is work and the destruction of the family. Women are preached to by progressives to think they should first be the business success and second be a mother. For most this is impossible. For men, they find themselves married to over stressed wives who find the relationship unmanageable while being told that it is perfectly OK to walk away. Our progressive friends have liberated us all to the point that ANY relationship with inherent responsibilities is untenable, We cannot tolerate stress, nor insult, nor performance expectations of any kind...and we can't go home and talk about it. We all still crave relationships, even remote anonymous ones as we have here, but we find close ones to be more than we can take. Of my two failed marriages, neither failed due to cheating, nor even financial hardship. It was a failure to put our relationship ahead of our "careers". We just lost interest and there ultimately was nothing to keep us together. My current contract has remained intact for 21 years so far, and luckily neither one of us give a damn anymore about the petty little shit that used to seem worth self destruction over.
Hard to learn a WORK ethic without work
Who cares if you are raising a family. I need this job for the medical benefits to supplement my husbands enormous retirement check. Multiple new hires at my work are boomer women with well heeled husbands taking jobs with medical coverage and living off their husbands six figure retirement income. Seriously. Who hired them? Boomers who sympathized with their plight and ignored a more qualified bilingual friend who is a father raising two boys because he would want to promote.
There is always work for willing hands, or so my Mother told me many decades ago, and for me, it has always been true. If you are young and don't have a family to support, and can't find a regular job, go do volunteer work. You will feel better about yourself, and it will be visible to others.
Make contacts, pay attention, always stay busy and remain pleasant as you develop people skills. Arrive early & stay late. Do more than is expected, and do it right. Dress appropriately, and act that way, too.
Do not sit around diddling with your iCrap or hanging with your buds. The guy who signs your check will not be impressed that you find other things are so much more important than what he is paying you to do.
Work on those things, and you just might find that job references and offers start to open up as people notice that you are a quality and trustworthy person.
Learn a trade and develop some skills is good advice for everyone. The more you know, the better off you will be, so never stop learning. There may not be enough good jobs for everybody, but there are jobs for most. The folks doing what I described above will get most of them, and the best of them. If you can't make it where you are, then leave for greener pastures.
Oh, and if you are still single, stay that way until you are older and more secure. The quickest route to a life of struggle is to get tied down and lose the ability to duck, weave, and be flexible.
I know it is not easy for younger generations, and few are more angry than me at what has happened to this country in my lifetime. I wish us all luck.
True words here.
+1000
You don't suppose it has anything to do with the ACA do you? You (as a collective) voted for it, now eat it!
Everything is ACA; so full of shit. The ACA is a giveaway to the "health industry" and without it, your rates would be EVEN HIGHER!
Proof:
TeaNut that won the Kentucky Governors race:
>He starts out PROMISING to kick 400,000 off Medicaid in KY.
>As he gets closer to winning, he backs off...promising to "stop new sign ups" (that's fucking nuts).
>Now he's the Governor...and just wait...he will totally abandon the Medicaid/ACA rollback he PROMISED.
>WHY? Because the "Health Industry" is going to sit down with him and explain the ramifications of such an action..pull 400,000 off Medicaid and the insurance rates for everyone else will blow off the charts!
..and people voted for this guy because their insurance rates went up too much "Because of the ACA"...LOL...I REALLY HOPE he "repeals the ACA" to the extent he promised for KY'ens...the look on thier faces when they open thier insurance bills will be priceless.
"Tea nut," huh?
The real loon is you.
Pretty sorry ass statment on the vitality and mental capacity of todays "yutes" when gramps is working circles around them, shows up on time, follows instructions and doesnt stagger around with his puss 5" from his cell phone screen giggling like a school girl. Stop with the fucking whining already and go prove you are smarter than a 90 year old.
No surprise here, We all know the generation Y is useless.
Well in fairness to Gen Y, they were raised by the Boomers.
Unlike Gen X, who was raised by their TV sets.
I'm a Gen X'r, turning 40 in two months and also upvoted you. Got rid of cable 6 years ago, one of the best decisions I have ever made. Fuck the indoctrination box. As a bonus, I no longer have cellphone coverage either. It's amazing what happens when you finally remove the leash of "smart" phones and "social" media. You can really notice a hightening of the senses, when people talk to me I am completely focused on what they are saying to me, and I notice every little detail of what is happening in my surrounding environment. I was sitting in a Wendy's the other day with a buddy of mine and a bunch of middle school kids barged into the place, filled all of the tables and immediately began taking selfies with each other. I can't even begin to explain the disdain I have for smart phones, it is getting beyond ridiculous.
Good for you. I kind of went the opposite direction. As a military brat, large parts of my youth were spent places where, if there was TV, I couldn't speak the language. Consequently I stayed busy doing things and reading. Once I was out on my own, I never saw the need to buy a TV. In fact, I refused to have one, calling it a one-eyed monster. It used to disgust me to be in a room full of people socializing and having a good time, and then have somebody turn on a TV. 10 minutes later, all the conversation has stopped as everyone sits slack jawed in front of the boob tube.....usually my clue to leave & go somewhere else.
I finally gave in when I got married. I was 29 when I bought my first TV, but have never watched much more than the news, weather, C-span, and some of the things like history channel, cooking shows....things that I might actually learn something from.
I would love to get rid of the smart phone, too, but have to have it for work. These electronic devices can be used, or they can be abused. Each of us must choose.
A left to the body!
Well in fairness to Gen-Y when the boomers tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps it is hard since they sold your boots to buy themselves an ivory backscratcher. This sums it up nicely.
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+200 trillion
it's unfunded but great link anyway
Boomers are downvoting, but soon all that high-sugar/low-fat Fed diet will have them in the dementia homes.
Shit, now that I think of it, society is basically a dementia fantasy home where the patients self-medicate symptoms and create a new disease of ideological pain relief.
if anyone thinks USA has the "worst global economy the world has ever seen" they are welcome to go anywhere else.. especially to that paradise Cuba
Says the guy with a picture of a Millenial woman's fine ass. GTFO and die already.
that's Caitlyn Jenner's ass
I'm not gonna ask how you know that...
Um, I'm not surprised.