Dystopia: a community or society that is undesirable or frightening.
Nouriel Roubini recently penned an article titled “Europe’s Politics of Dystopia”, citing the rise of nationalistic movements across Europe as a harbinger of terrible things to come. It seems that the renowned Dr. Doom - one of the few economists to have anticipated the 2008 financial crisis - is back in the limelight with some more dire warnings.
Ah, but this time he’s late. In case you have been hibernating, the European Union (EU) is already in a complete state of disarray. Everywhere you look - economy, politics, security, society, demographics - there are very serious problems with no credible solution in sight.
This does not bode well for the future of the EU, starting with those who will be living in it.
Out of the top-10 OECD countries with the highest youth unemployment rate, 8 are EU member states, each with high double digit figures. Politicians might still blame the Eurozone financial crisis for this dire situation, but this is nothing new: the economic growth rates of member states have been very poor for over a decade now. The fact is that the EU has consistently failed to promote policies that can provide decent employment opportunities to its youngest citizens.
That first step in the job ladder is hugely important for the future prospects of any generation. This one is particularly important since their contribution is badly needed to pay for their elders’ welfare, as well as all the fiscal largesse to “stimulate the economy” facilitated by the ECB’s monetization of unprecedented levels of debt. Some of that stimulus found its way into the housing market. Good for the economy you say, but terrible if you need to find cheap housing to start a life.
One consequence for this generation is easy to predict: no job + expensive housing = put off starting a family.
Europe’s demographics is a complicated issue, but the current situation is alarming. Less babies means less people to pay for Europe’s generous welfare and retirement systems. Instead of addressing these problems head on, EU politicians prefer to let them fester. Populism trumps everything. After being elected President of France, François Hollande even lowered the retirement age!
Europeans are so desperate for new blood that they will take in virtually anybody, showering them with social benefits while demanding little integration into their societies in return. The result is growing pockets of alienated minorities, portraying a disintegrating social fabric especially in the richest member states. Sweden is an interesting case study in this regard. For decades it has been the most welcoming country in the world for refugees, but the failure to properly integrate them is evident in rampant crime and declining social performance statistics.
Sweden also showcases the current vigor of the EU’s diplomatic relations - or lack thereof. Earlier this year, Swedish foreign minister Margot Wallstrom dared to criticize Saudi Arabia for its appalling human rights record. A sensible and courageous position you might say, but one which got her into hot water with her own peers back home, no doubt reflecting pressure from the Saudis. Even the Swedish king, largely just a political figurehead, chastised her for such conduct. It turns out that one bright spot of European industry is the burgeoning arms sales to such repressive regimes (perhaps because there’s no need to fake emissions?). That they might actually end up in the hands of extremists is of no concern.
And now the EU is facing yet another gigantic crisis, unable to stop the flow of millions of migrants pouring in. There had been plenty of forewarning that something big was brewing, even by Europe’s laxist immigration standards. But once again EU leaders were caught totally on the back foot. The response was completely disjointed as a result, creating even more discord among member states.
Witnessing this situation, Chancellor Angela Merkel publicly announced a few months ago that Germany would take them all in. Whether this was to polish her image after the economic disaster that her government imposed on the Greeks, reverse the ageing demographics at home or just atonement for her country's past, we can't say. What we do know is that estimates of the number of migrants into Germany this year alone quickly snowballed from 400,000 to 800,000 to 1.5 million. The latest report suggests that 14 million could settle between now and 2020, in which case German society will be irreversibly impacted, perhaps even sooner than that.
According to official statistics, only 1 in 5 migrants arriving in Germany in 2015 are actually from Syria. So contrary to popular belief the majority of migrants are not refugees; rather, they are young men seeking a better life. And why wouldn't they come, when Merkel is doling out her fellow taxpayers' money? Whether they will find a job is a different matter, as the foreign worker unemployment rate is already much higher than that of the natives.
The cost for Germany to deal with all of this is enormous, with estimates suggesting that over the next twenty years it could easily rival the also enormous reunification cost with East Germany. And it’s the childless Germans who will foot the bill.
Facing criticism and divisive tensions seldom seen at home, Merkel had to act. First she tried to spread these migrants all over Europe, claiming that this was the “fair thing” to do. Several countries refused. Then she went to Turkey to negotiate a deal to stop the influx at the source. Sensing weakness and in no mood to deal with Europe's migration problems, President Erdogan promptly demanded a hefty sum of cash to think about it and a fast track to join the EU (even the new Islamist government in Libya is now threatening to flood Europe with migrants, so this crisis has become a great way to hold the EU hostage – thanks to the EU itself).
The latest plan is to provide welfare benefits only to Syrian refugees, speed up processing times and tighten some border controls here and there. What to do with the hundreds of thousands of other migrants with “weak cases” was not disclosed. We speculate that they will not return home after all they went through, and as such might be condemned to a life in limbo. This pussy footing will also not stop the millions of others already on their way.
The security risks are staggering. Rather than protecting its borders, allowing Germany to eventually regain control of the situation and provide adequate care to those who are already there, Merkel prefers to risk the social fabric and the safety of her fellow citizens. Think about what a million plus of unemployed and alienated young men can do roaming around the country.
And why can’t she do it? Because she fears those same “politics of dystopia” proposed by Roubini. Each member state reinstating its borders is an intolerable step back in her quest to abolish their national identities. In her mind the solution to every EU problem is more EU, and for sure much less Germany, France, UK and whomever else.
Perhaps this could make sense if member state nationalism was replaced by a powerful new sense of European identity. But who wants to embrace the basket case that the EU has become? With some of the least charismatic world leaders to boot? Even its own currency is flawed, promoting deep structural imbalances among member states. [even its own currency is flawed!!!]
Worse, getting rid of nationalism makes the EU vulnerable to being taken over by other ideologies. Perhaps the most menacing to Europe right now is the rise of political Islam. Any Islamo-phobe will tell you that the demographics are on their side, especially once all these new migrants settle in. It would be ironic that the most liberal continent on the planet might end up adopting the least liberal religion in the coming decades.
With all of this unfolding, it is natural for the EU’s allies and trading partners to be apprehensive about the prospects of it staying together. The US has even warned the UK of dire commercial consequences if it votes itself out in the forthcoming referendum. Well, forcing someone to stay against their democratic will is not a great solution either. Not that the voice of the people across member states matters in Brussels anyway.
Now, we don’t highlight all of this because we like to see Europe in the dumpster. Quite the opposite. It pains us to see what is going on and the lack of leadership to confront what are truly existential threats. The world needs a strong Europe. And for that to happen, the current political, social and economic guidelines need to change.
Roubini does have a point. There are politics of dystopia at work in Europe. But he puts the blame squarely on the wrong side.
The EU doesn't need any nationalists to destroy its future prospects. It’s doing absolutely fine on its own.


Here's hoping for a freezing cold winter across Europe - the migrants can jog back home to keep warm!
Better yet, they can burn down Paris to boil their coffee with.
After Lille ,I hope.
These Syrians probably bought into global warming, that is why they come to europe in the winter
Merkel ... destined to go down in history with Nero.
More likely planting the seeds for a Fourth Reich.
This is my sense as well. The situation is mishandled in such a way that the sole beneficiaries appear to be far-right and xenophobic groups. Which is raising pertinent questions.
I got a hot news flash for the writter of this article. Things arn't too great here either.
If you want to read about the US just look up another article. The scale and scope of the migrant crisis Europe is currently witnessing dwarfs anything the US has seen in the last 50 years at least. So stop klicking on articles about Europe if you can't take it that their problem may be worse than what America is witnessing.
I kinda doubt that the gross degree of the problem is higher in Europe than what the US has been dealing with. Perhaps 10% of the US population has come in on the sly-- 30-40 out of 330 million. Today in Europe: 1-2 million into a pool of 500 million.
Is that the Berlin Bear?
Nope, it isn't.
You count 1-2 million, but this number only represents one year (probably more than 2 million this year anyway) and contrast that with 30-40 million in the US from what timeframe?
If you really start constrasting and comparing numbers between Europe and the US you will have a hard time 'cause the US is a nation of immigrants. So either you set a fixed date, counting anyone thereafter arriving as immigrant or your comparison won't work. If you count Latinos as immigrants (and I reckon you do) then northern Europeans would have every right to count Italians/ Spanish and Greeks as immigrants as well, as they are culturally as different as Latins in the US.
Before the US hasn't dealt with 4-5 million muslims in one year that they need to integrate, which is comparable to what Germany is dealing with right now, we can't talk about the same 'gross degree of problem'.
Thanks for the head's up, I'm glad you are prepared, now go back fretting about Latinos invading your southern deserts.
What kind of dumbass rationalization is that? The EU has it's own borders and (NEWSFLASH) Italy, Greece and Spain reside within those borders. So, just like someone from Florida moving to California, it's not "immigration" when an Italian moves from Venice to Berlin. Get the concept?
Now, the US has "legal" and "illegal" immigration from outside it's borders. The "illegal" immigration from the time that the EU was formed has dwarfed the immigration numbers (illegal and otherwise) that have been experienced by the EU.
samjam7 already answered, but I'm also pointing out one part he skipped. The muslims aren't coming to "Europe" as a whole like the latinos to the USA.
They only want to the few European countries which provide the highest social benefits with zero or minimal effort, namely Germany, UK, and the Nordics.
They wouldn't want to be caught dead in other parts of Europe/EU like Italy, Greece, Poland, or Hungary. Those countries don't provide the life-long free money these people seem to have in mind.
"It would be ironic that the most liberal continent on the planet might end up adopting the least liberal religion in the coming decades."
I find it odd that Europeans are so eager to lose the Crusades and let in millions whose religion openly espouses the oppression of Women and the killing of Homosexuals and believers of other faiths.
It is all a Jesuit plot to restore them to previous glory.
Reconquista..
The EU was an ill-conceived project from the get-go. How long do you think that goofy Euro will last?
Loudon Wainwright III and Kate McGarrigle - Over the Hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQWCt4405Ps
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Once you were a young man,
But now you are old - you're over the hill.
And you can't cross the palm of time's hand
With silver and gold to make him stand still.
Who could have possibly thought
It would go so fast, but it certainly did.
And now you find yourself caught
With less future than past - you're no longer a kid.
Once, as a boy, time weighed heavy on your hands -
You couldn't wait to be a man.
Now you cry - oh, it's so hard to laugh,
And you can't understand why you can't turn time around.
Your hourglass once had a top half
That was filled full of sand, but it's all trickled down.
There's only one thing left to do: sign that international climate protocol and then tax the shit out of every single person in the EU. That's bound to solve the problem of having to breathe C02 infested air while starving to death.
But it is so comforting to know that paying the dhimmi tax, and getting one's head lopped off, will all be done in a clean environment, with minimal global warming.
Bullshit on this article.
Nationalism is the last stand against NWO oligarchs, bankers and one world govenment. The globalists are the ones destabilizing nation states with their "Open Society" communism doublespeak. Socialists and communists are the fascists that use nationalism as the vehicle for violence.
gwar5,
“When people uses the word Socialism, you need to look very closely at their motives.” — Noam Chomsky
Nationalism is the last stand against NWO – Check
Socialists and communists are the fascists – Wrong
Socialists and communists use nationalism as the vehicle for violence – Wrong
“Communism is super capitalism.” — MEFOBILLS
Communism and Bolshevism (Stalin, Trotsky, and Lenin) top-down management. Policies lean Right.
Capitalism and Neo-Liberal (Corporations, Ivy Leagues) top-down management. Maximize profits. Policies lean Right.
Socialism (Marx, Bakunin) are bottom-up management; workers own their production (anarcho-syndicalist and/or libertarian socialist). Policies lean left; just society.
Communism (Bolshevism) and capitalism (American Neo-Liberal) are basically manifestation of the same thing, Imperialism.
Fascism comes after either Communism and Capitalism fail. Decline, humiliation, and victimization leads to nationalism/fascism.
You just conflated Marxism with anything anarchist and/or libertarian. You have no idea what any of these terms meant, or have ever meant, at any point in history at which they have existed. Please revist your premises.
“Marxism is a kind of worship of an individual. It makes no sense the way it is used.” — Noam Chomsky
I have been a vocal voice on Twitter in Sweden, against the mass migration crisis there.
needless to say, I get the liberals, leftists and Swedish Social Democracts tweeting back their outrage at me. In some cases i respond with a reasoned argument against large scale migration in an uncontrolled manner. It is useless. I am blasted as a racist. I get people with Swedish names like Mohammad telling me to grow up and show compassion to the needy. Other Swedes just call me Nazi, either accept all migrants they say or I am Nazi. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. I mean it is broken record shit!
After dealing with two intelligent professional Swedes today, who would hear nothing about migration than "we need more", they openly told me on a racist would oppose the New Sweden they were building, one where Islam and Christians would show the world how to live in peace and be a model to the world. Only Sweden can point the way for the world they told me. I am Nazi.
You can not reason with them. They will not rest till Sweden is an Islamic Republic. They demand more people from all over the world to come, to build their utopia of multi cultural Sweden. They really believe that is why Sweden exists, to show all the world how superior we are, by being all things to all ethnic groups.
These Swedes are monomanical, psycopathic, suicidal, haters of their own ethnicity, race, nation and langauge. They are the Walking Dead. The Islamists will be running their lives inside 15 years!
The English hate two things- racial discrimination and immigration
Sounds like they hate thinking things through.
Well hell, I'm on my way to Sweden, while there are still some blondes left.
As a person with blond hair and blue eyes, I never understood the Western media's unhealthy obsession with blond hair and blue eyes.
What racist people can't seem to understand is that it is possible to admire someone else’s beauty without questioning your own.
We are not "self-haters". We simply don't understand the West's contrived focus on having blond hair and blue eyes, and take the view that there are other types of beauty out there that are every bit as deserving of praise and attention.
It's due to sheer rarity. Dark hair and dark eyes are a vast majority across the globe. Personally, I go bonkers for dark hair dark eyed latinas.
Blue-eye presidents and prime ministers seem to be the most common.
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You can not reason with them. They will not rest till Sweden is an Islamic Republic. They demand more people from all over the world to come, to build their utopia of multi cultural Sweden. They really believe that is why Sweden exists, to show all the world how superior we are, by being all things to all ethnic groups.
These Swedes are monomanical, psycopathic, suicidal, haters of their own ethnicity, race, nation and langauge. They are the Walking Dead. The Islamists will be running their lives inside 15 years!
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two theories:
a) toxoplasma of some sort - google it, fascinating. a parasite form cats that sets up shop in the brain of the host. rats infected by it - from cat poop - reassess risk and no longer exhibit any fear of cats. guessing that 20% of UK humans infected, mostly womyn.
b) vit D deficiency (due to northern lats) affecting the womyn folk. Viking men were so fed up that they braved open northern oceans and porttage across Russia to get to the Black Sea. Anything to escape Scandinavian womyn.
A recent experiment found that when the human brain is subject to magnetic stimulation it loses the natural instinct to equate outsiders with danger. Our evolved psychology is effectively disabled.
http://scan.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/09/03/scan.nsv107.abstract
Art Bell can't be reached for comment.
It's funny, when I was in Sweden for the first time in 2009 I admired the beautiful women and jokingly said to my 'German' friend who is even blond himself that they have to keep foreigners like us out who dilute their gene pool, girls were just too pretty.
While it was just a joke, it's all the more shocking how only 5-6 years later I realize they are actually trying to auto-suicide themselves and their cultural and biological heritage.
Well Jack if it's of any comfort to you at least both the Danish and Norwegian government seem to be very much opposed to the Swedish government on how to adress this self-made crisis. If you haven't read about it, I recommend you read comments made by the Danish prime minister yesterday, adressing the Swedish government. It may be overdue and of little use to Sweden but at least not all Scandinavians live in this self-imposed migrant fairyland.
Well, there is no absolute standard of beauty, any more than there exists a shoe size that fits on all feet. You are discussing personal taste and preference, certainly not facts.
Furthermore, Scandinavia itself hasn't been "pure", as you would say, since the Viking Age. Many Scandinavian men began to have foreign wives in this age through the more danico marriages. The Nordic gene pool of today is much more "mixed" than you appear to realize.
This is not yet mentioning the long-term effects that the Normans (Scandinavian half-breeds) had on Europe's cultural, genetic and historical development around 800 years ago.
You're right. Who's to say that Charlize Theron is better looking than Whoopi Goldberg?
In terms of "objective" beauty standards, a perfectly symmetrical facial structure is usually regarded as the most important quality to have.
The most perfectly symmetrical face I've ever seen belongs to Justine Skye. She is a black woman.
It would be rather unfair to compare Sarah Jessica Parker to her.
It is tragic. In Holland they are called the "Goedmens", which translates to "good people". Mostly subsidised by the state in all kind of forms they have a world view fabricated by 45 years of Keynesianism and easy money handed out by the State: risk does not exist, our cosy world is there for eternity, money for problems will always be "found" and the Emperor is not naked. Can't you see?
Mix this with gullibility, lack of travel experience, media singing the same song and politicians confirming the shit they want to hear, you have the Goedmens.
It is just tragic. I wish you well.
Very good take on it!
Is the Goedmens term used sarcastically by other Dutch people? If not you're as f*cked as the Swedes.
Yes, it is sarcastically meant. We're almost a fucked as the Swedes. Bt they win. Hands down.
The Socratic Method is very powerful. Yours is not to convince others why this is a bad idea. They are providing the burden of financing immigrants, so the burden is on them to prove benefit. Just ask them how it will all work, and how none of it will be problematic. In "enlightening" you, they will enlighten themselves.
Excellent points! Yes, I have tried to burden them with proof of benefit, that is WHY they trump me with the racist card, that allowes the end of all debate. You. after all, do not debate Nazis! That is their secret, everyone else must shut up or be branded racist.
Thanks for those details Jack. Amazing. Yes, Sweden is lost. I wonder if they're going to miss their Churches, monuments and museums. And they'll feel so secure and what an example of racial harmony with Sharia Law, mass rape, murder, robbery, assault and general filth all exploding by the hour. This author thinks all critics are Islamophobes. What a hypocrite. The bald-face truth of a matter is just that-reality. It's a common but very appropriate question--will the author invite a Muslim family of multiple wives, a dozen or so kids and a violent and TRULY racist father into his own small home permanently? If not, he needs to shut up and go live quietly in his parents basement, keeping his embarrassing rantings to himself.
It's a common but very appropriate question--will the author invite a Muslim family of multiple wives, a dozen or so kids and a violent and TRULY racist father into his own small home permanently? If not, he needs to shut up and go live quietly in his parents basement, keeping his embarrassing rantings to himself.
Yes, that IS THE BEST ARGUMENT. And I have tired it, they never answer, they just throw the racist card on the table!
The Swedish Social Democrats who hold power in Sweden are radical leftists and communists. Destroying Sweden is their goal. Each Migrant on welfare is another SSD voter! They even admit they hope to hold power now for ever, as 1 million new Migrant SSD voters would cement them in power!
Yeah, but the Swedes keep voting them back into power....
Indeed, and each Migrant coming in is another voter for Swedish Social Democrats. They literally can import voters!
But the make one helluva block of Jarlsberg!
>>>They really believe that is why Sweden exists, to show all the world how superior we are...
I'm sure there's a perfect word out there to describe this Swedish attitude, but the best I can come up with is "utterly foolish". Ever since the Russians kicked Sweden out of the Imperial Game in 1809, it seems the Swedish attitude is to make a virtue out of national impotence, and to follow-up with self-congratulation on their unique-in-the-world national virtue.
The self-hatred of the Swedes is, perhaps, richly deserved. FWIW I'm half-Swedish, have family living there, but still don't give a damn what happens to the place. May sharia come quickly, if only as a warning to other, less foolish, societies.
My father's family came to America, we grew up speaking Swedish, but are hard core Americans. I love Sweden, and visit often, but like you I am almost ready to say Fuck It! The leftists feel so superior to all other people, their love for Islam and Africa is their chief claim to fame! Sick, fucking sick. Africa? Fuck it, if they like that place they can go there, why turn Sweden into a cold version of Africa!
I know the feeling. But I have found a reasoning that allows liberals and conservatives to agree on what needs to be done.
It's not about race or religion. It's about social capital and cultural trust! The nordic countries are very "High Trust" cultures. High trust cultures develop good governments and good economies. Only high trust cultures can built welfare safety nets. People from low trust cultures see this as a "soft target" to abuse. Furthermore, most of these imigrants are fit young men. Allowing them to immigrate undermines the country they came from. They need to be back home supporting their families there.
You've given them a taste of an advanced society, now its time to send them back to see if they understand how to advance themselves.
A caricature from an embittered right-winger. The truth, as always, is much more nuanced.
More verbal diarrhea from a mentally ill left-winger. The truth, as always, is the opposite of what liberals say it is.
God, I just hate your fucking writing style. Peppered with hints of superiority. Littered with empty meaning.
and Sophistry
God that was brilliant! Wish I had said it. +100
Moral status whoring- and of course jerking himself off - are his only sources of satisfaction.
What if American culture's overt hostility towards educated people lies at the root of much of your country's problems?
Introspection is more challenging than finding foreign scapegoats.
Say yes his Magnus....
Says the snivelling manboobed dweeb.
If they really feel that Sweden should become an example of a multi-cultural society, then this
"haters of their own ethnicity, race, nation and langauge"
is incorrect.
In fact then it means they believe in their country so much that the problem lies in hubris. The idea that Sweden is exceptional and can create a free society out of one sundered by multiple great cultural divides.
Let me point out, Sweden has already failed totally to create any multi cultural society or peace. Migrants form the past are mostly living in housing estates on welfare, they are so brazen as to chase white people out of their districts. Even police dare not enter except in numbers. Malmö is a city of migrants now, and the streets are a war zone in migrant areas. And before some cunt calls me a liar, I have two family members who Police Malmö, so I know.
Sweden failed to integrate the past migrants, now 350K more sit in shelters and public buildings waiting for tax payers to build them new homes! How crazy? Sweden lives a lie, non-Swedes live isolated lives in giant housing estates and their hate of natives grows by the day.
My best hope is that a mass riot and attack by 500,000 blacks and Arabs will break out and Sweden will burn. Only when the liberrals are killed by their migrants friends will the place wake up.
Jack, you do know that the "liberal" (oh ma' achin' sides!) media have a facility whereby they can track down the home address of Thought Criminals and arrive at your door, live on TV where you'll be publicly pilloried. You'll be astounded to learn that the guy at the forefront is a Chosenite.
Be not affraid of questioning . I ask one question back . Do I want or approve of a cult of circumcissionists to invade my land ? A people who barbarically commit grievious bodily harm mutilation and sexual assault on their own newborn ? Hell no ! ...... Embarassed silence ....end of questions
That is some of the deepest rot I've ever heard. I knew it was bad but WOW. I might be emigrating there soon for work so I guess I'll find out firsthand. Holland wasn't even that bad, they retain a decent level of cultural pride.
Utopia and dystopia are the same thing from two different points of view.
"But once again EU leaders were caught totally on the back foot."
Not surprising, they are all Retired in Place. They think EU government is a social club. Don't hold your breath for any Management by Walking Around and finding out what is actually happening and what is needed. Just make it up based on how you think it should work - fairy tales.
Disclaimer: view from outside the EU although I have relatives there. Feel free to enlighten me as required.
Fuck the EU. Let's worry about America. We got our own problems to solve.
Typical sheep, doesn't care what's going on outside the US.
THIS is the reason why sick politicians in Washington get to do what they do in the ME for decades now because of you wanting to live in ignorance.
I'm enjoying every minute of this. After years, hell-- decades, of European self-righteousness about our attitudes towards illegal immigration from south of our border, it is sweetness itself to watch them freak out over a sudden surge of immigration from SOUTH OF THEIR BORDER. The Touchy-Feely Super-Duper-State gets a good, hard mugging from reality.
More proof that there is a God and that He has a sense of humor, as well as justice.
How do you say "green card" in Esperanto?
Like Bibi gloried in 9/11? Now everyone shares your hell.
People like you are freaks, a blight on humankind. Move to Israhell, and stay out of everyone else's way, good lil hasbarat, vicious bitch.
"I'm enjoying every minute of this."
Which says a great deal about you. None of it flattering.
"decades of European self-righteousness about our attitudes towards illegal immigration from south of our border..."
here you highlight two things:
first, most articles and comments here on ZH about this european affair are constantly seen by our Cousins on the other side of the pond through the lens of the US-Mexican border
second, there is this widespread sense of "European self-righteousness" towards "what the US does". where I think it has a lot to do with "Republican" feelings as expressed by "Liberty Fries"
let's talk about borders and this "immigration business in the EU" for a moment
the first border to mention is that of Turkey towards Syria. It's a classical national border. Turkey, as many other countries in the region, took up refugees from the war in Syria, meaning it waved millions in. Even if Turkey had a wall, a moat and machine gun posts ready to gun down "invaders", those refugees would still be in, not out
the second border to mention is that of Greece towards Turkey. It's an external "EU border", besides being a classical national border. Here, the question is: what happened? Eh, well, here we see a Turkish government in inaction (while negotiating with Germany for, among other things, when Turkey might get into the EU) not hindering refugees from leaving Turkey. This while Greece is not gunning down "invaders" with coast patrol boats. Greece, instead, had a year-long spat about money, and waves those refugees through or out, however you want to see the thing. While hosting great numbers of them
note that the moment those "invaders" leave Greece for the Balkans states, they leave the EU. And cross several national borders, completely classical and not related to anything "EU". The main attitude of those states is to wave those "invaders" through, again
interestingly, German politics and diplomacy is currently very, very busy rewriting laws and agreements towards a rejection of any "immigration" (because it is not about "immigration", as I will soon get to the point) from the Balkans. Meaning Germany wants to send anyone that claimed persecution back to Albania, Kosovo, Serbia, etc.
then the next set of borders to mention is those of the new Eastern sovereign nations that are part of the EU. the smaller ones... they wave through
enter Hungary. there, the national borders of Hungary got reinforced, remanned, etc. Big howls of disgust from the whole European Left. And the current Hungarian government rejoiced at that, because it reinforces it's own narrative of what is happening. Nevertheless... it's a national border. That has been reinforced, and sealed
and so the "invaders" found new routes, and arrived at the German borders, where they were still not gunned down by anybody
why?
well, there is still one fundamental constitutional and legal matter that all those discussions about the US-Mexican border projected onto "EU" issues are missing:
if you show up at any european border (and not only european, btw) and claim political persecution, you will be let in, first
Edward Snowden did exactly this thing with Russia. And Edward Snowden received a one-year asylum from Russia, after his request was processed
so now Germany has millions of people claiming asylum. one or two millions out of a total number of 10 millions of Syrians displaced by the war alone. specifically, Germany has something like 700 state paper-pushers for asylum requests, and sees the need to expand them to 9'000
so any comparison between the US-Mexican border and this european matter is simply... impossible. it's oranges versus bananas
you do NOT get Mexicans showing up at the border and asking for asylum
they all show up here as Edward Snowden did. each of them has the constitutional and legal right of getting help, first, and getting their claim processed. only after the claim is rejected, they can be... deported
witness how German politicians just lately went all around collecting "best practices" in regard to fast-track asylum request processing and processing deportations. if any happen, it will be the Balkans, first, and Russian propaganda will love to hint at any bit of misery they will see
if Germany's politics stays the current course, we'll discuss soon how the world's Left regards the ensuing mass deportations. most probably, with articles talking about "the failure of the EU" as theme, because they really like to paint the EU as something that is not, was not and probably will never be. and they are of course not alone in this
"you do NOT get Mexicans showing up at the border and asking for asylum"
Not true. 70,000 unaccompanied minors from Central America alone last year.
and those 70'000 unaccompanied minors claimed asylum from political persecution? claimed that if they staid where they were they would have been killed?
you see how strong this "it has to be a similar problem" thing is?
The set of rules that are being used in Europe right now are quite open for asylum seekers, and they are not denied entry or deported until their individual case has been considered.
This is also how it works in Iceland, but since the flow of asylum seekers is very slow, they are processed trough the system quite rapidly.
We filter out known criminals, like for instance there was a plane full of people who are connected to a organized crime organization that came from Norway some years ago, and even though we are members of Schengen, they were not even allowed of the plane.
This was a breach of the Shengen rules and happens from time to time, and no one is stupid enough to object.
Maybe, given that there are obvious security issues at stake, it could be a good idea to look more closely at those who might be a security risk, and "fast-track" them out.
The only people who should be allowed to stay in Europe are those who are directly affected by the war in Syria.
It is incredible to see how Europe is being treated. This EU phenomena that was supposed to give war torn and scarred Europe a chance to finally see peace is now being used to abuse Europe.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/07/david-cameron-exit-warni...
Millions of Edward Snowdens would not be a problem. But it's not, and it is a problem.
of course it's a problem. my point is that here it's being treated as if it was a completely different problem from what it is. for other purposes, for a different propaganda war
tarabel:
Schadenfreude.
A crude equivalence tarabell. Those Europeans who took "racist" Americans to task are the very ones celebrating the mudslide currently engulfing us. The views of the average European and average American on open borders are very similar.
Private banks and communists made the EU. Only the un-Fedreral no Reserve Board owned by private shareholders bails them out with the tax and labor of the USA.
End the Fed before it ends the USA.
Yet another zionist whitewash article. He left out who controls the european puppet politicians.
I don't call Europe a hodgepodge of sad, defeated nations for nuttin'!
"Nouriel Roubini recently penned an article titled “Europe’s Politics of Dystopia”, citing the rise of nationalistic movements across Europe as a harbinger of terrible things to come."
Entirely predictable:
1920s/2000s - high inequality, high banker pay, low regulation, low taxes for the wealthy, robber barons (CEOs), reckless bankers, globalisation phase
1929/2008 - Wall Street crash
1930s/2010s - Global recession, currency wars, rising nationalism and extremism
1940s/? - Global war
We are nearly there with the Middle East on fire and the two nuclear super-powers at each other’s throats.
Nuclear weapons kept the Cold War “cold” for decades and so we may be able to miss out on the global war phase as the nuclear super powers guarantee only MAD (mutually assured destruction).
We can see the usual play of events.
Those at the top stoke up a boom and during the boom they take nearly all the rewards.
Then the boom turns to bust (1929/2008).
Let’s sort out the problems by imposing austerity on the masses and this time, to make things really bad, give unconditional bailouts to bankers.
Look at Greece:
Mass immigration + high youth unemployment + collapsing economy + unconditional bank bailouts + austerity = Golden Dawn
"Nationalists" - read people who want to live in peace with others of their own culture and ethnicity are not destroying Europe.
What's blowing it up is evil so called liberal politics being pushed by Leftists, Marxists and Zionists. The joke is you can't give someone a Scotch then fill it with hot-chocolate and still call it a Scotch.
With the demographics in Germany replacing people and the culture, do not expect it to be a triple AAA nation that makes stuff that people want in 20 years. Europeans need to learn that they can kiss their retirement, welfare state, and any bourgoise lifestyle expectations goodbye.
The people who are directly responsible for this are Zionist/Neocan cuckservatives from the USA and the lying mostly Jewish owned media. There was never a problem with Islam until Israel and the bombing started. The Syrians gave refuge to millions of Palestinians from Israhell and now they themeselves have become refugess.
Seriously Zionists Cuckservatives and Marxists can go fuck themeselves, to quote Anonymous - we do not forgive, we do not forget. Do not expect your life to be on cruise control from now on.
it is so simple but is it true? : the elites manage change, as change is the only constant. (manage "what" you ask? in simple terms" who should win. ")
chaos cannot be controlled..yet they try. from chaos order.
the common man may think trust, honor, loyalty, are desired traits..they hold no water to the elite..only outcomes matter..the outcome that they will be in control thier power and wealth will remain , if while about them most perish. so be it.
what Ghordius does not want to think about..the elite lie to the common folk as to what the outcome for them is..we all are just here to serve the goal..
perhaps Ghordius does know the goal, but cannot reveal it to the serfs who always pay the price.
no, most of the times elites don't even need to lie. most of the times, they just have to describe reality the way they see it, and watch how it literally zips over the heads of the masses
the problem of standing in front of the citizens in Athens was never about explaining to them why the alliance with Persia might mean a new war with Sparta
the problem was that most of the citizens had only a very vague idea of why they should care and inform themselves about Persia and Persians, and the recent war with Sparta inflamed them about all things Spartan, and are too busy making jokes about Spartans
the common man in Athens thinks trust, honour and loyalty are desired traits... while thinking that he does not need to know anything more then what happens in Attica, Athen's dominions
and forgetting that for Sparta, trust, honour and loyalty are even more desired traits... though this does not mean that Sparta's secret services aren't spreading anti-Persian propaganda complete with big hopping lies
paraphrased from a very old piece of history shortly before Athens went to embargo and attack Syracuse, but right before one island was sacked just to show who the boss is, i.e. Athens
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translated: if any contry's elites can spread bigger and bigger lies, this means that it's citizens' are less and less interested. or distracted, for example by consumerism, hedonistic pursuits, culture conflicts, worries about jobs and how to get a family through, sport, hobbies, propaganda, fantasies, more consumeristic pursuits or strong dissuasions, like a bullet for protesters, etc. etc.
the goal? it's always the same. to lead. power is better then sex. anyone that does not know that has either always been powerless or is a born follower
money, in this, is just a kind of power. technically, bargaining power, negotiation power
but the very thinking that every elite is "the same" speaks for a very uninterested point of view, far away from the elite's
which, in the Athenian's citizen's masses case, did not understand that they were being anti-Spartan when Athens desperately needed an alliance with Sparta, and Athen's elites went hoarse trying to explain that to them
"the goal? it's always the same. to lead. power is better then sex. anyone that does not know that has either always been powerless or is a born follower"
Nothing more psychopathic than that. The desire to dominate well... just because! It really is beyond time to start dealing with psychopaths as they used to be dealt with - righteously murdered.
the desire to dominate is one thing. the desire to lead... a different one
try to organize your witchhunt on "psychopaths". the net effect is that you will build up an organization, which needs leaders, which will be... the very people you are trying to murder
meanwhile, what is a righteous call to murder? not psychopatic?
"Everywhere you look - economy, politics, security, society, demographics - there are very serious problems with no credible solution in sight."
there is a solution to everything, all problems are artificial, many of them created on purpose
if a problem isnt fixed is because there is no profit in fixing it
What a little shite you are.
If Mutti's aim is for MOAr EU on all fronts she would NEVER have vetoed Eurobonding in 2009 when the Euro crisis started.
That was the Original SIN of European disorganisation along with UK's tax haven dictat imposed by Brown in 2009 G20 meeting. It allowed the national banks to go on a rampage. And the Merkozy doctrine pushed the soverign debt on to the books of national banks (PIIGS squeezing) to save Euro core banks (Ger/Fr/Holland).
It is that INITIAL decision that created the divide between North and SOuth. As History has proven Germany has been the greatest beneficiary of the EU consolidation that began under Jancques Delors in 1992. It was in her interest both geo-politically (by integrating french and German defense systems to oust Nato dependence; as cruelly proved the Serbo-Croate and Bosniac wars of the decade before); as through fiscal and monetary measures --something the French had rejected in the 2005 refererendum--but which became a dire necessity in 2009 post Lehman collapse and the spread of bad debts to Europe's banks. All this never happened as Germany was looking to take national advantage; as in Greece; from the winds of speculation and cold war.
Until its now become evident that this Euro vacuum makes Germany cling to US domination as the Russian bear now growls about Gazprom and Syrac.
Mutti has constantly fought via the European Council of heads of state mechanism the unity required via Commission and Parliamentary plays.
She is th biggest defender of Germany alone and Uber alles strategy (along with Schaeuble) in the long fight between South and North beginning in 2009 up to today.
Mutti is the biggest obstacle to EU unity. Just like Chirac and Jospin were in 2000 when Schroeder came HAT IN HAND to Nice asking for France to align itself with Germany-- a country in financial doldrums due to the decade of Kohl's policies which allowed financial reunification to be a success (1 RM = I DM). France refused then as it was two headed; wanting to subsidize agriculture via EU and wanting to maintain 35 H weeks; both for left/right electoral reasons. France missed the boat when Schroeder did it on his own.
We forget all the past timeline. The present is just a projection of past mistakes.
Now Draghi's QE, America's MENA war dystopia and Mutti's export policy based on her own Uber alles approach are all at loggerheads.
Eurobonds simply meant the Germans picking up the tab for Club Med frolics.
thats what solidarity is as its practiced in a federal structure with a COMMON money.
Moral of story : You can't take short cuts
An Arab telling us that "the rise of nationalistic movements across Europe is a harbinger of terrible things to come."
Well this makes a change from the other tribe pounding it into our heads non-stop.