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What Janet Knows

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What Janet knows, as The Burning Platform's Jim Quinn exclaims, is that a 1% increase in interest rates would increase the interest on the National Debt from $400 billion per year to $600 billion per year, a 50% increase.

Source: Ben Garrison

Interest rates back at NORMAL historical rates that we had as recently as 2007 would increase the interest on the National Debt to $1 trillion per year, a 150% increase.

Plus, the National Debt increases by $1.5 billion per day, so our interest bill goes up by $35 million per day already.

Do you really think Yellen is going to be increasing interest rates?

 

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Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:35 | 6761600 JustObserving
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US debt and unfunded liabilities, or the fiscal gap, has increased from $60 trillion in 2003 to $210 trillion in 2014.   No way can Old Yeller raise interest rates:

CBO tells us that the national debt was a little less than $13 trillion in 2014. But the fiscal gap in that year as calculated by Kotlikoff was $210 trillion, more than 16 times larger than the debt estimated by CBO and already judged, by CBO and many others, to be unsustainable. If a $13 billion gap is unsustainable, what term should we apply to a $210 trillion gap? Kotlikoff also calculates that the fiscal gap is equal to about 58 percent of the combined value of all future revenue. Thus, we would need to reduce spending or increase taxes by enough to fill that 58 percent gap if we wanted to put the federal budget on a path to solvency that balances the interests of those now receiving benefits and those who hope to receive benefits in the future.

Kotlikoff goes on to illustrate that the fiscal gap is increasing at an alarming rate and that delay makes our problem much worse. In 2003, just a little more than a decade ago, the fiscal gap was $60 trillion. But by last year it had catapulted to $210 trillion. The fiscal gap may not continue increasing as rapidly as it has over the past decade, but with each passing year - as Congress and the President do their best to avoid action - our hole grows deeper by substantial amounts.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2015/04/08-federal-debt-worse...

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:39 | 6761617 Captain Debtcrash
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And here in is the rub, should be interesting to see how they deal with this little issue in the coming years.  All they know is to lower interest rates.  They have said QE doesn't work so they are going to get rid of the zero lower bound and lower interest rates, negative of course, yet again. 

HOW they get rid of the zero lower bound is the only question. 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:53 | 6761656 Boris Alatovkrap
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Here is plain truth. If you are listen  what Central Bankster is really say, you are understand. Bankster and ecommunist is always to talk about economy, about labor, about inflation, deflation. This is nice, but is all macro economic and is not about what is really important, the freedom or happyness of citizenry. If you are slave owner in plantation, you are maybe talk same, about productivity in field, even longevity of labor force, but every night you are shackle slave to bed post.

Janet Yellen knows one thing and that is keep charade going. Only mandate is while sheer sheep, don't shave too close so as to kill.

...but what is Boris know!?

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:01 | 6761770 Stackers
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increasing and normalizing are two different things.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 19:29 | 6762427 Boris Alatovkrap
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What if always is increasing (like national debt or emotional disregulation of lazy nephew)? Then increasing is normalizing, no?

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:16 | 6761802 Temporalist
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Boris know what 99% of sheeple don't.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:19 | 6761909 Shad_ow
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Did you hear the quiver in her voice during her testimony.  I think she is only holding on by a thread or a threat.  Take your pick.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:53 | 6761972 Stuck on Zero
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Face it. We're broke. All the machinations are just happy talk on the way to the slaughterhouse.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 18:34 | 6762307 razorthin
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That's right Boris - you can skin a sheep only once.  I think the time is now - I hear Mr. Yellen bleating.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:56 | 6761660 yogibear
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Bluffing constantly.

If they do raise them they will have to lower them immediately.

Becoming more obvious that the Fed is stuck in the corner with 0% to negative rates while doing a QE cycle every year and a half.

Notice each QE has to be larger to get the same effect?

 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:16 | 6761696 DeadFred
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Feadfred prediction: They will brute force the stock market up through the highs in an attempt to restore the psychology. Then they will raise rates (in December) and cross their fingers, last bullet fired, hail Mary shot from half court or whichever phrase you wish to use. Who knows, maybe the economy won't collapse (don't bet on it).

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:20 | 6761911 Shad_ow
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I honestly believe if they go negative they will face a revolt.  All confidence will be lost and anger will take over.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 16:28 | 6762034 NihilistZero
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Interest rates back at NORMAL historical rates that we had as recently as 2007 would increase the interest on the National Debt to $1 trillion per year, a 150% increase.

Why do people keep quoting this?  We owe half the interest TO OURSELVES because the FED owns the notes.  And it's not as if the whole debt just resets to the new interest rates.  Hell 10 year notes that are coming due are going to be refinanced effectively LOWERING interest paid on the debt.  I'm not saying a normailzation is in the cards because it's not, but some small moves towards normalization aren't going to suddenly blow up the size of the interest payments on the National Debt.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 12:58 | 6764231 StychoKiller
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And then everyone wonders WHY the Ignorati can't seem to understand financial matters!  It's 'cause TPTB are constantly talking thru their hats!

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 12:51 | 6764212 StychoKiller
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Exponential functions:   learn 'em, know 'em, luv 'em!

 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:33 | 6761836 AGuy
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" No way can Old Yeller raise interest rates:"

Are we getting close to time when Yeller goes rabid? What are the odds that Yeller will get put down?

 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:42 | 6761950 DOGGONE
Sat, 11/07/2015 - 21:40 | 6762735 thinkmoretalkless
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She only raises if this is a trigger mechanism to start the downward spiral to anarchy with the resulting reactionary crack down. They may not get another lawless administration in office again. Not letting a crisis go to waste has become create the crisis not to waste.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:34 | 6761603 dbTX
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Absolutely NOT.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:37 | 6761616 booboo
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Shiiiit, they removed the debt ceiling until 2017, Washington will run this bitch up to 26 trillion by then and I will lay money on that.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:42 | 6761633 dogbert8
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Unlimited spending has been the goal for awhile now; it just took Congress and the President awhile to get there.  By 2017, they will have suspended the debt ceiling indefinitely, and we will never have restraints on government spending again.  Spending money is what career politicians do; it's ALL they want to do, since it is the best guarantee of job security for them.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:11 | 6761686 yogibear
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 Obama is true to his Chicago roots.

Spend until bankrupt and then start selling national assets, just like Chicago sold the skyway and parking meters for emergency cash.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:51 | 6761652 back to basics
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She looked absolutely terrified at the hearing last week but my take away was that she will be raising by 0.25 in December and then she hopes to stay at that for a few years.

So, yes Tyler, she is raising rates by 0.25 in December.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:24 | 6761822 RighteousDude
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Incremental 50 Billion per year. No problem. Fed can print that easy peasy!

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 19:12 | 6762391 Carpenter1
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FED owned by big banks, which are globalist owned. Globalists are done with USSA, moved all assets over to Asia. Time to implode USSA, which they've been doing for years. Stop assuming the FED's interested in saving or improving Amerika, they aren't.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 21:56 | 6762788 dogbert8
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IF they do raise rates, and they may not, it will be as much to show that they CAN as to show that they SHOULD (based on their criteria).  Too many of us have said they won't do it for too long, credibility is in the toilet, and a teeny weeny raise will, in their minds, help to restore that credibility.  They may need to reduce the rates in 2016, but that won't matter to them.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:35 | 6761604 Dr. Engali
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Nope, not in any meaningful way which is why NIRP is in our future. Technically we are living under NIRP now when you look at real rates VS nominal rates. but we are going to be even NIRPier in the future.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:44 | 6761636 Winston Churchill
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just whck a mole.

The pension system implodes instead.

There are no good choices left.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:59 | 6761983 Wahooo
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Definitely have to tke the pension and retirement funds. Mr. And Mrs. Citizen: give us your money or we send your son off to war.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 17:28 | 6762150 Kayman
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"Technically we are living under NIRP now "  True.

But if these criminals decide to go one step further and institute negative rates, then you will be better off to withdraw your money from the bank and stick it in your mattress.  That is why the increasing meme about getting rid of cash.  Legalized theft- nothing less.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:34 | 6761605 WeTheSheeplez
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They will print money to Infinity and Beyond...

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:22 | 6761913 Shad_ow
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"forever isn't long enough"

What cannot be sustained will not be.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:36 | 6761613 the6thBook
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Yellen will find out about this after she raises rates.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:38 | 6761619 Eyeroller
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Then we need to see another market pullback in November like we had in August.  That'll fix it: it will be impossible to hike then.  The Ponzi Munchkin can then make the claim that the 'global situation' won't allow for it, "but we will be doing it soon".  

There'll be another speech where she pukes on her own lies again...

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:39 | 6761622 QE49er
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Saw Ben S Bernanke's new book at Costco the other day, too bad there were no trashcans nearby, I would have put the whole stack in there.  Or, I could have put them all on top of the toilet paper display.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 16:07 | 6761996 rccalhoun
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were the pages filled with crayola drawings?

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 17:42 | 6762175 willwork4food
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If you did that the store would have to pay for the books which defeats the purpose. Best thing to do is right a sign that say's "Asshole speaks again", then put it next to it.

 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:39 | 6761624 pocomotion
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Let's approve the FED interest rate hike to see what's in the national debt repayment program.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:40 | 6761626 venturen
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we are in a Japanese Kamikaze dive....you know the ones you can't pull out of

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:38 | 6761737 Colonel Klink
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I'd equate it more to a flat spin, quite literally.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:43 | 6761839 Salah
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Key is value of the dollar; raise i-rates to support...SHTF. 

Somebody's cruise missile takes out a carrier....SHTF

Putin & Xi (& others, KSA, EU) do more non-$ trade....SHTF

What to do?  What to do?

Answer: Dollarize Venezuela

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:43 | 6761634 two hoots
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They will find a way to make the debt thing meaningless or fix it with some world, we are all (Group of Seven/G7) in this mess together, reset.  Then life as we know it will change forever.  It is much easier  to control the weak.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:46 | 6761643 Demdere
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https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/ignoring-the-absolutely-in...

We citizens need to be preparing to continue sans government, as government is burning itself down.  Good.

Arm yourself and your neighbors so you are resistant to the standard mechanisms for setting peoples against each other.  We have an internet, we don't need government.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:50 | 6761649 E.F. Mutton
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We'll have to cornhole some folks...

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:51 | 6761651 lordbyroniv
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i am beginning to have a bad feeling about all this.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:23 | 6761914 Shad_ow
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...as am I.

Things have been in place for chaos for years now but it is beginning to circle the drain in so many facets it is impossible not to notice.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 12:52 | 6761655 Professorlocknload
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But, isn't the additional interest expense added to GDP?
s/

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:06 | 6761674 Ajax_USB_Port_R...
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With the economy booming and unemployment at only 5%, the fed needs to raise rates. Then, after the economy slows due to unexpected snow in January, the rate can be returned to 'normal'. Inflation crisis averted due to prudent Fed action.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:20 | 6761812 Temporalist
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Wait...what?!?!  Snow in January?  What are you some kind of Nostradamus?  How can you be able to predict that far?  I'm suspicious of this sorcery of yours.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:08 | 6761678 Yen Cross
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    Mission accomplished Mr. Yellen. You've succeeded in completely decimating the middle class.

  WTF!? Tiny shack in Palo Alto, California in for just under $2million | Daily Mail Online

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:22 | 6761702 DeadFred
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Don't buy it. The land is worth it (at today's valuations) but Palo Alto building codes really suck. They do things their own way and you won't know it until the inspector comes.

"Rip it out Mr. Cross and don't forget about the excess landfill surcharge"

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:30 | 6761714 Yen Cross
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  I looked at the land factor. It's puny lot sandwiched in on one side by a huge fence.

  Good luck going through all the bureaucratic red tape, zoning ordinances, costs/palm greasing to rebuild.

  Not to mention all the neighbors are probably progressive libtard assholes.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:02 | 6761776 Amish Hacker
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Libtard neighbors would be the least of your problems. You'd be lucky to live long enough to actually build a house and move in.

California bureaucrats are the undisputed champions at cutting red tape---lengthwise.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:11 | 6761684 CHoward
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Baby steps folks, it's all about baby steps.  The Fed will raise rates but by an almost infinitesimal amount - something like 0.10%.  One must be prudent and not rush head long into these types of situations.  

 

Ughhh 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:22 | 6761819 TheInfoman
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Xactly. I'm figuring on 12-1/2 basis points.  Far from anything we would call normalized.  But enough for the talking heads to celebrate.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:51 | 6761968 Wahooo
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Enough for some well times trades.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:18 | 6761698 SillySalesmanQu...
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Heave Hoe, heave Hoe....get to work Ms. Debtfire!

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:21 | 6761703 docinthehouse
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The cartoon makes that troll yellen look good.  This total debasement of the value of money, with zero interest rates, permits these debts to mount without consequence. 

You get what you accept.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:36 | 6761730 Colonel Klink
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That yenta bitch can't raise rates without blowing up the entire world eCONomically speaking, and maybe otherwise.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 21:51 | 6762774 Crocodile
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Perhaps that is the goal; create global chaos and that man of perdition will rise to the top and save the impoverished world.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:39 | 6761733 hotrod
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Help me out!  Is he using Roughly 2% on 18.5 to come up with the current 400 billion a year?????  And is that 2% sort of an aggregate of short term/lomg term debt?

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:55 | 6761765 Sanity Bear
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This is why I consistently express my belief that there will be no rate hike ever, no matter what sound and fury might precede any FOMC meeting.

 

Rates are zero until TSHTF. There is no other option for TPTB.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:19 | 6761808 RighteousDude
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Agree with you completely. It's all about the math.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 13:56 | 6761766 Youri Carma
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Let's hike rates Bitchez!!! What’s wrong dude!? You Yellah!, Ahahahahaha that’s what I thought Yellah Pelly http://youtu.be/0c-UIkfsk1U?t=1m49s

Would be fun to see Ol Yellah hiking rates in this deflationary environment, gna, gna gna ...

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:03 | 6761777 the grateful un...
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step one: declare victory, we have achieved our 2% inflation target (they know this by looking at yoy comparisons and noting when the data smooths out)
step two: raise rates 1/4 point.
step three: sit behind the curve indefinitely
step four: inflate away the national debt by keeping rates lower than inflation.
step five: buy TIPs bitchez

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:16 | 6761801 Bunga Bunga
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Don't worry, the Federal Reserve will buy all of the government debt, even at 5%.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:21 | 6761813 PeeramidIdeologies
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Yup the FED sure is out of options...

sarc

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:29 | 6761829 Max Steel
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Do you even lift Janet Babushka ?

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:45 | 6761858 chisler
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Even Viagra couldn't help this rise.

 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:46 | 6761859 Money_for_Nothing
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As long as the Fed owns most of the debt they can raise interest rates as high as they want. One might think that is what QE is about.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 14:47 | 6761865 the grateful un...
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1/4 point rate hike, new inflation target of 3%, suckers

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 15:27 | 6761920 cpgone
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Real debt of the USA is 220 TRILLION

Prof. L. Kotlikoff

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 17:08 | 6762113 wow thats crazy
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Don't worry about it! Once they can't use taxpayer's taxes to back stop this. they can always pledge US taxpayer's organs for collateral!

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 17:16 | 6762127 WOD
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Episode 302 and 350 of the Caravan To Midnight.. in that order.. then try to raise the consciousness of any people you care about, who don't know. Talking about the banksters and Fed is mental masturbation, because they don't answer to anyone and care not who makes the laws. Nor do they care if 90% of the worlds people are harmed by their actions, there will be no 'A Christmas Carol'-esque redemption in the final hour... blood will be shed, lives will be lost, and then we'll know...

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 17:29 | 6762152 Give up. Realit...
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Here come the rate hikes, one right after the other.

It's the most sure way of starting WWIII.  Either that or forcing every sovereign worldwide to bow before the almighty FED.  For every other currency on the planet is going to collapse when the FED raises interest rates.

This one is a no brainer.  Because the balance of FX will shift massively in favor of the FED as rates begin to rise.  And while the FED seems backed into a corner, every other currency is literally teetering on the edge of a cliff.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 17:47 | 6762186 Lucky Leprachaun
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In truth Americans owe the fed about 90 billion dollars because they've pulled a fast one on everyone in the country.  Which is the whole purpose of the Fed. They "sell" 100 dollar bills with a  %1000 mark up, plus interest. Each 100 dollar bill costs the fed about 15 cents if that. So they charge the people $100.00 plus interest on something worth 15 cents. They are owed about 90 billion dollars, that's all.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 17:53 | 6762200 Seek_Truth
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The last time I saw a well researched article on the subject, it costs about 2 cents to print a 1, 5, 10, 20, 50 or 100 dollar bill.

Regardless, the crows are coming home to roost - the debt can't be repaid, so default is a certainty.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 21:48 | 6762767 Crocodile
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It costs a dime to make a penny; gov't is not that efficient.

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 18:25 | 6762282 Conax
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Sure, we look all frazzled and broke now, but our delightful rich folk community has the most and best yachts and houses in all sorts of 'fabulous' locales with breathtaking views of the sea and the shore. They're kicked back, drinking champagne and sucking up salmon eggs as their undocumented servants braise the ribs and help mom with her backswing.. no red tape and rock bottom prices!

Punk dictators around the world pee their pants in fear if our Decider In Chief looks sideways at em..

We got soadjurs stationed in far flung countries most haven't heard of and that means something, buddy.

And they did it all at no cost to us taxpayers by poofing money out of nowhere.

So let's not ungratefully raise these silly 'rates'.

Thanks Janet <smoochies>

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 21:14 | 6762653 fowlerja
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It is estimated that Medicare's unfunded liabilities is around 25-30 trillion. If you consider Medicare as a big credit card...then when more taxes come in than expenditures...you can pay down on the 25 trillion debt.... if taxes are less than expenditures than you have to add to the credit card debt. Medicare is running a deficit each year. No solution to increase revenues to match expenditures. Credit card debit will continue to rise.... debt will never be payed off...it will only increase. Who cares...practically nobody.  It will only matter if Medicare cannot pay a bill. Wiil this happen...probably not...Congress will just raise the debt limit to pay the bills. Wiil anybody care..probably not...until Congress cannot afford to pay the interest rate on the national debt.  Will anybody care...probably not...because Congress will raise the debt to pay off only the "interest rate" charge. Will anybody really care...yea about this time the people buying the Treasury bonds will get a little queasy about Uncle Sam paying off the interest and principle of the money they are loaning...but who cares maybe this 25-50 years in the future.  Most of Congress, Presidents, FED chairpersons and the baby boomers will be dead by then...so its not their problem.  

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 21:25 | 6762691 oooBooo
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The fed creates money to keep interest rates very low to keep US fedgov debt service low or it can create money to buy fedgov debt to pay interest on the debt.

Ultimately it is inflating the money supply for fedgov either way.

Better plan. Fedgov rolls over all it's debt into 30 year bonds at present rates or increases it's borrowing dramatically but only on 30 year bonds. Then raise rates. If fed gov was smart it should be selling tons of 30 year debt right now then saving the funds to pay off higher interest debt and to avoid future borrowing. 

 

Sat, 11/07/2015 - 21:50 | 6762769 Crocodile
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15-25bp's in NOT a rate hike; a real rate hike would be at least 100 bp's.  So even if they did raise them by 15 bp's; they have it all covered in the shadows.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 06:04 | 6763455 honestann
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The federal reserve will only raise interest rates to any meaningful degree after the USD and economy are already BURNED TOAST.  And maybe not even then.

However, the grandma who endlessly cries wolf may continue to threaten to raise rates "any day now" until the end.

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