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Are Guns Safer Than Prescription Drugs?

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Submitted by Ryan McMaken via The Mises Institute,

The DEA released new drug overdose data yesterday. According to the DEA press release:

DEA Acting Administrator Chuck Rosenberg today announced results from the 2015 National Drug Threat Assessment (NDTA), which found that drug overdose deaths are the leading cause of injury death in the United States, ahead of deaths from motor vehicle accidents and firearms.  In 2013, more than 46,000 people in the United States died from a drug overdose and more than half of those were caused by prescription painkillers and heroin. 

These are 2013 numbers, so let's compare to other causes of death in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

A drug overdose, with a death rate of 13.9 per 100,000, is almost four times as common as a cause of death than gun homicides (3.6 per 100,000). Death from prescription drugs (7.2 per 100,000) is twice as common as gun homicides.

 Those are the total numbers. If you prefer your stats in the often used format of x per 100,000, here you go:

Obviously,  homicides aren't exactly a leading cause of death in the US, and gun homicides, even less so. Accidental death by firearms (0.2 per 100,000) is a small blip.

For all those concerned parents who think little Johnny is likely to get gunned down on the street would be better advised to keep tabs on their prescription painkillers, as Johnny is far more likely to die from popping those than from any gun in your house or in the hands of a school mate.

And, of course, one is almost three times as likely to die in an auto accident (death rate of 10.7 per 100,000) than as a result of a homicide.

Moreover, nothing listed here is even in the top ten of causes of death in the US. You're much, much more likely to die from suicide, or "influenza and pneumonia"than anything listed above.

Many people don't fear heart disease like they fear gun violence because they feel they have some control over it, and often judge their risk of an untimely demise by a heart attack to be much lower than it actually is. Simultaneously, they greatly overestimate their chances of dying due to homicide or a gun accident .

On the other hand, one might raise the argument that homicides are different than the other causes of death here because they are intentional, and they affect innocent third parties. That's fair enough, although this claim does not work for drunk driving which affects third-party innocents. The fact that drunk driving deaths occur through negligence rather than malice (usually) is small comfort to the dead and their families.

As a noted recently in this Mises Daily article, alcohol poses far more of a public health risk to society than firearms do, and drunk-driving deaths (10,076) are similar in number to gun homicides (11,208). And yet, the response to drunk driving (which results in the deaths of innocents due to the actions of another) is nothing like the response to gun violence. The proper response to drunk driving, we are told, is to target the crime of careless driving, and to focus most especially on those who have been known to use automobiles carelessly. Those who have a history of abuse are barred from engaging in further risky behavior. Everyone else is free to purchase alcohol in enormous amounts, until proven guilty of an alcohol-related crime. 

The response to gun homicides, on the other hand, is to restrict access to guns for everyone without any due process first.

If policymakers responded to drunk driving the way they respond to gun violence, we would be forced to endure nationwide bans on fast cars and automobile engines that can exceed speed limits. We would be hearing demands for laws shrinking the overall number of automobiles sold each year. "More cars equal more fatalities! We are awash in cars," we would be told. (We do hear about this for environmentalist reasons, though.)

But the fact of the matter is that gun violence is simply not a leading cause of death in the US, and those things that are more likely to kill us or our children — such as prescription drugs and alcohol — are approached with caution and demands for a "measured" approach.

Of course, it may not be purely coincidental that the pharmaceutical industry appears to be wealthier and more influential than the gun lobby.

 

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Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:24 | 6765112 Fester
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We need an Affordable Gun Act...

 

That doesn't raise the price of guns

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:30 | 6765135 El Oregonian
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"When good drugs are outlawed; only outlaws will have good drugs"

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:33 | 6765143 TeamDepends
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All we are saying
Is give peace
(Through medication)
A chance
-Big Pharma

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:44 | 6765167 Scooby Dooby Doo
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Heroin is the greatest thing on earth! You all need to try it for a month or so.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:55 | 6765201 negative rates
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You've actually got scooby dog shit for brains.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:01 | 6765218 LowerSlowerDela...
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"Are Guns Safer Than Prescription Drugs?"

Yes, except in areas heavily populated by Obama sons. Then you get yo ass popped before you get yo pill popped.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:35 | 6765343 James_Cole
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Firearm related deaths being listed twice in Mises chart should tip you off that as usual they are full of shit..

Gun deaths in US is actually 10.6 / 100k

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

If you want to make a point people with an internet connection + brain will take seriously, best to use facts rather than bullshit.

Are gun deaths less (in the us) per 100 000 than prescription drugs? No. Are they safer? No. Next...

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:51 | 6765402 LowerSlowerDela...
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Eliminate the Wild West Obama-son areas and the U.S. is one of the safest gun countries with fewest deaths as a percentage of population.  Guns are very safe.  Obama sons are not.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:40 | 6765561 James_Cole
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Hawaii - obamas old home - & infamous gun free zone (2nd lowest gun ownership) has lowest gun death rate. One wonders how that is possible!

What is the difference between hawaii and other US states?? If only there was some obvious geographical feature one could point out..

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 22:10 | 6765855 LowerSlowerDela...
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Chicago - obama's old home - & infamous gun free zone has HIGHEST gun death rate. One wonders how that is possible!

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 23:32 | 6766075 Lurk Skywatcher
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How many of those gun deaths also involved prescription medication?

Its easy to distort statistics simply by the choice of categories.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 23:45 | 6766123 FIAT CON
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I can assure you, no one will be shot by my guns unless you break into my house, unlike the gangs who shoot people daily.

Again because hoodlooms with guns kill people regularily, my guns are at risk of being outlawed.

So I guess the way to stop drunk driving isn't to take a way a drunks license/car... take away everyones car. there I just fixed drunk drivers for ya all!

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 08:55 | 6766776 Refuse-Resist
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Simple my politically correct friend:  NIGGERS or lack thereof. Period.  Not all black people are niggers, but you know them when you encounter them (or you end up starring in  a World Star HipHop video productioN)

 

 

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 11:47 | 6767557 Abaco
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Really good weed and really good weather. What's to be pissed about?

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:54 | 6765407 A Lunatic
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Drugs and guns are inanimate objects and as such have absolutely zero lethal effect. Errors in human judgment are the problem......

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:12 | 6765468 MalteseFalcon
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Mises cited gun homicides.

You cited gun deaths.

Gun deaths = gun homicides + gun accidents + gun suicides.

A split by race might be illuminating as well.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:45 | 6765502 James_Cole
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Yes, mysteriously they used gun homicides and gun accidents (separately listed i might add) and entirely left out gun suicides while using the deadline "Are guns safer than prescription drugs"?

If one looks at actual facts, no, guns are not safer than prescription drugs (as is perfectly obvious to anyone with more than a couple brain cells in operation). Though what is safer? Safer is ambiguous and subjective. Naturally, instead of using a specific term like say 'deadly' they go for the ambiguous. Useless bullshit..

Propagandists like to omit facts to state their claims and the brainless are more than happy to go along with the charade.

How many of the prescription drug deaths in their chart are suicides one wonders??

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:51 | 6765599 Occident Mortal
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How dare you enter into this debate with your logic and facts.

Get the fuck out.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 23:56 | 6766130 FIAT CON
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Prescription drugs are taken voluntarily unlike bullets!

Once you take away guns from the murderers, I would bet murders by all other devices including prescription drugs will be on the rise.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:46 | 6765584 vincent
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Does not even consider deaths from side effects of prescription drugs.

 

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 21:20 | 6765698 Cymore Duttz
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They didn't count illegals toward the total population but counted them on the gun death side.  

You have to always check who is doing the counting

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 21:26 | 6765699 Cymore Duttz
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But Repulicans never want to count illegals, so maybe we shouldn't

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 21:29 | 6765728 RevIdahoSpud3
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Generally yes, unless your confronted by todays' cop, then it's anybody's guess??

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article43654638.html

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:00 | 6765221 two hoots
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Without births we wouldn’t have these death problems.

 

No one asked to be born into this crazy world or the time in which it happened.  How does it happen?  Well, two homo sapiens fuck, maybe out of love, probably not, most out of horneyness and are likely intoxicated anyway.  So, 9 months later out comes this involuntary sapien that has needs.  Cast into a world where it is told it must work, be available to fight/die/get crippled in wars for a higher cause, and something will kill it anyway in about 80 years of time if it makes it that far.    “Well ain’t that just capital, I get thrown into the world just to find out I’ll be killed or die from some disease?” thinks the involuntary sapien.  But what is this strange new feeling (mostly in my pants/skirt), I think I’m in love/horney/whatever, maybe life is good after all?  So two more involuntary homo sapiens fuck and …….on an on…..  and here we are after a few billion years in the making.  A planet filled with involuntary sapiens blaming each other for something none volunteered for and had zero chance of being some other sapien than what they are, for the genes of each of us has long been in the making for generations, you just don’t pop out of any old womb, rich or poor, or into a life of opportunity, you pop out of the womb of many wombs assembling your genes in the  past, you were built, not just hatched by chance (or course you had to swim faster out of fear or strength?).   Our expectations are likely way too high given the varied starting points of the all the involuntary ones.    What is that strange feeling mostly in my…… and on and on….

  

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:10 | 6765260 Scooby Dooby Doo
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Your post is too long and Scooby could not slow down to read it all. Mix equal parts heroin with COCAINE Bitchez! There is nothing wrong with a Sunday night speedball!

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 17:54 | 6769513 Macon Richardson
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Been there. Done that.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:58 | 6765209 negative rates
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Sure, the Dr. who wont take his own medication.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:53 | 6765194 negative rates
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Days of marijuanna and no money are better than days of money and no marijuanna.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:01 | 6769540 Macon Richardson
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Negative! The real quote goes like this:

"Drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no drugs."

Gilbert Shelton via The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, circa 1868

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabulous_Furry_Freak_Brothers

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:56 | 6765204 Jorgen
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""When good drugs are outlawed; only outlaws will have good drugs"

Yes, indeed. Cannabis and psychodelics come to mind.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:30 | 6765335 Surveyor4Pres
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Marijuana makes you stupid, which is exactly what big government wants.  I've never smoked pot, not one day in my life, but many of my friends did--and they're still working at 7-11 at age 50, earning minimum wage.  But some are doing better--they make $12 an hour.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 00:02 | 6766168 FIAT CON
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I have some very smart and accomlished friends of which have been long time habitual smokers....hmmmm maybe their stupid too!

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:44 | 6765382 Peak Finance
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Yea cool story bro.

And I know people that have personally cleared acres of pot all by themselves and are just fine.

Like everything else in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

 

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:40 | 6765564 Surveyor4Pres
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You mean like Obama?

There's no accounting for the morons who voted for THAT junkie.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 06:22 | 6766596 DuneCreature
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Marijuana doesn’t make you stupid.

Watching TV, listening to the MSM, trusting everything you are taught in school, voting in rigged elections and hanging out with future and present 7-11 careerists makes you stupid.

Then spewing like pierced boil on ZH about your constant need for painkillers announces your stupidity to the world. …… Just sayin’.

~ DC

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 11:40 | 6767525 Abaco
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IN accordance with your reasoning you must be a heavy user of pot.  If big government wants you to use pot then why do they criminalize it? They have other ways of making you stupid - public school comes to mind. Pot doesn't make you stupid, in your case it appears to be a case of genetics and will.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:33 | 6765527 didthatreallyhappen
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if you like your gun, you can keep your gun

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 02:30 | 6766428 Bunga Bunga
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> That doesn't raise the price of guns

 

You are sarcastic.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:26 | 6765115 JustObserving
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There are 784,000 iatrogenic (of or relating to illness caused by medical examination or treatment) deaths in USA every year. No one mentions these deaths

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:50 | 6765186 Antifaschistische
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yes, there is no way this numbers from the DEA are accurate, because when thousands of teenages commit suicide each year, prescription drugs do NOT get listed as a cause of death.   When some wackjob goes postal and shoots up a school or theater, the GUN gets the blame, and not the prescriptions meds.  When a mother off's her infant son she's called bipolar/depressed/schizo etc...but the meds she's on never get blamed for the death.

Big pharma sees to it that the real numbers will never be released and that the cause of death stats will NEVER be linked to a prescription med.

 

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:39 | 6765369 James_Cole
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http://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/epidemic/index.html

Why claim something which is so easily refuted?

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:59 | 6765423 Troy Ounce
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73.75% of all statistics are being made up on the spot

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:21 | 6765493 MalteseFalcon
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James_Cole again you mix apples with oranges.

You cite drug overdoses only.

The previous poster cites deaths where drugs change brain functions or create a chemical dependency leading to death by overdose or any other means.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:35 | 6765538 James_Cole
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>> prescription drug overdose <<

The previous poster cites deaths where drugs change brain functions or create a chemical dependency leading to death by overdose or any other means.

The previous poster is pulling shit out of his ass and backing it up with nothing. A common theme on zh, lots of claims, zero facts.

Prescription drug overdose is well documented and tracked (unlike the claim that big pharma is magically hiding it all), people who overdose on prescription drugs often do so intentionally, as those studies show.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 21:40 | 6765755 MalteseFalcon
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SSRI use has been shown to change thinking, moods and behaviors.  They are supposed to.  But the change isn't always positive.  When the change isn't positive the consequences can be deadly.

This damage would not be counted as drug overdoses.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 00:58 | 6766270 Antifaschistische
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you're funny. I didn't even mention overdosing.  What about the kid that jumps off the bridge, or slits their wrist, or shoots themselves, etc...you are either a pharma troll or you spend little time with juveniles.

..and by the way, my father's nephrologist was amazed that my father wasn't a raging alcoholic.  My father never drank any alcohol at all.  He asked my dad what medications he had taken.  When the doctor heard the high BP medicine my dad was on in this 70's he said "oh yah, that will do it" and blamed my fathers organ condition on the prescription medicine.

My father died.  Cause of death?  Liver/Kidney Failure.   no mention of prescription medicine.

This is my point...and no I'm not going to send you "documentation" to "prove" anything.   On top of that, my point was that the documentation doesn't even exist for root cause failure analysis.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:26 | 6765123 Bay of Pigs
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Can't wait to see how the liberal anti gun fucktards spin this one.

I'm pretty sure they will attack it from the source...the author and the Mises Institute itself.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:37 | 6765361 James_Cole
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Easiest to use facts - facts to mises are like garlic to vampires.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 22:17 | 6765884 Bay of Pigs
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Figures it would be you to show up and troll the thread.

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 00:07 | 6766174 FIAT CON
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Perhaps you should take lots of different prescription drugs and play with some loaded weapons and after you shoot yourself, you can explain to us all what was the cause, the gun or the drugs.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:27 | 6765127 Wow72
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Leaving those pills laying around is very dangerous.  Great article some real truth.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:32 | 6765137 nmewn
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"For all those concerned parents who think little Johnny is likely to get gunned down on the street would be better advised to keep tabs on their prescription painkillers, as Johnny is far more likely to die from popping those than from any gun in your house or in the hands of a school mate."

lol...oh fuckin A lets rock.

I call for ANYONE who owns prescription medicine to buy a "lock box" with the combination only known to the adults in the home. Furthermore, I'm proposing a background check and five day waiting period before picking up your meds.

It's...for the cheelrun ;-)

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:58 | 6765213 Government need...
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The .Govners are threatened by the guns owned by those they tyrannize.  Pills help the .govners by enabling those they tyrannize to escape this reality . . . without challenging the .govners.  SO, pills are good, guns are bad, adn the White Housenigger is working his pin into Reggie's ass.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:33 | 6765139 Surveyor4Pres
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People who overdose on prescription drugs are stupid morons.

However, some people actually need those painkillers because they have chronic SEVERE PAIN, everyday!

I'm sick and tired of the FOX News and media attacks on drugs that help people!

You know, 10 years ago, there used to be signs in Hospitals in America that said that in this modern era, no one should have to suffer and be in pain.  Those signs are NOW GONE, thanks to the big pharma companies who seek the big $$$$ of those expensive drugs.  It's all about MONEY, and the big media has been bashing prescription drugs non-stop.

Have you heard the side-effects of those expensive drugs on TV?  They're much worse than any side effects of prescription pain killers, which BTW come from a natural source that God put here on Earth for man to discover.

So, STOP BASHING PRESCRIPTION PAIN KILLERS.  They do a lot of good for a lot of people.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:43 | 6765162 Surveyor4Pres
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Yeah, sure, keep down-voting me, and keep taking those NSAIDS, which cause much more damage.  I spent three days in intensive care due to NSAIDs (3 bleeding ulcers), namely Advil.  They erode the lining in your stomach and elsewhere (can you say hernia?).

Advil and other NSAIDS will KILL you a lot faster than pain meds.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:08 | 6765258 nmewn
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I'm thinkin about the time you saw blood in your stool is when you freaked out, not the years of pain in your stomach? Ladies & gentlemen, here is the first government mandated purchaser of my new patented "pill lockbox", I'm gonna make millions off of people like this.

How do like your crony-socialism now? ;-)

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:50 | 6765185 Arnold
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Personally, If I had tried them I would have liked them.

I had a buddy put a big ball of mescaline together for my old age.

I still have it and it it is a dried up ball of crap.

Did I need to be enlightened in my declining years?

certainly.

Through drugs?

Probably not.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:56 | 6765199 Surveyor4Pres
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Note:  Prescription drugs are LEGAL.  Unlike pot and your mescaline, which are NOT.  Pot ruins your brain, as does other ILLEGAL drugs.  But prescription pain meds, when taken responsibly, are a need for many veterans and soldiers.  So, those down-voting my posts hate our veterans, is that it?

In fact, alcohol is MUCH worse than pain meds.  I quit drinking 7 years ago, so I should know.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:16 | 6765285 nmewn
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"Pot ruins your brain, as does other ILLEGAL drugs."

Right...because only ILLEGAL drugs are addictive, LEGAL drugs "used responsibly" like you taking Advil (apparently daily...lol) for however many years, are perfectly safe & fine...that's why it's LEGAL...right?

You're completely brainwashed.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:28 | 6765326 Surveyor4Pres
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Advil is NOT addictive, moron.  But it does erode the lining in your stomach.  And back then, there were NO warnings about that.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:54 | 6765405 nmewn
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Pot is not physically addictive, moron, yet your screed is hinging on any drugs "legality". Advil was (and is) LEGAL yet you're attempting to draw some parallel with safety vs legality.

Your body was damaged, is this the fault of you (who took it daily, obviously) or government (who you apparently trusted as omniscient overseer of all consumer products...lol) or the makers of Advil (who probably thought most people have some modicum of common sense and will stop taking Advil for temporary pain relief...when the pain keeps coming back!)?

Are you in possession of any of your faculties right now or do you need to be committed?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 00:17 | 6766199 FIAT CON
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How do think you even have a right to speak when this drivel comes out of your mouth?

The level at which you are uneducated is showing.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 11:35 | 6767495 Abaco
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Do you think that congress has authority to pass any law they want or to ban anything they want? Funny how your concept of legality disregards the highest legal authority in the land.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:55 | 6765200 Antifaschistische
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then, perhaps you aren't familiar with the insurance/medicare/medicaid scamming business of "pain" management.  Sure, some people have pain....but for every one of those people, how many get "pain" treatment because they're just drug addicts?  5? 10? 30?

Every oxycotin, etc addict makes the exact same arguement you're making.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:06 | 6765243 Surveyor4Pres
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Then blame the docs.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:12 | 6765273 ncdirtdigger
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I have a bulging, degenerative, disk in my back, that is impenging my sciatic (sp?) nerve which means I have pain when I stand, and pain when I sit. But my doctor won't give me as much as a hydrochodine script to manage my pain. So I have to find 'street' sources for what I need. I recognize the dangers of such drugs and use them judiciously, but for those who suggest that I am some sort of junkie, well I would say, if you lived with the pain I do without praying for relief daily, my hat's off to you. you are a better man than I.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:54 | 6765408 e_goldstein
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Check out prolotherapy. Unlike conventional medical treatment, it actually works.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:33 | 6765141 Chupacabra-322
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SSRI's & False Flag mass gun shootings. See the trend?

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:39 | 6765151 Zipper43
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Johnny isn't going to get gunned down in the street.

He's going to find Daddy's gun under the bed and shoot his sister.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:57 | 6765206 nmewn
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My little Johnny has had access to a .357 magnum stoked with HydraShoks whenever he wanted it ever since he came home alone from school and we would not be here for another couple hours later. That would have been when he was around eleven or twelve.

He knew right where it was (BECAUSE I TOLD HIM WHERE IT WAS AND WHAT IT WAS TO BE USED FOR) and if he ever needed it to shoot the fucker center mass, then a head shot and we would clean up the mess. He has never shot anyone. 

He has however decimated the squirrel population around here with my old .22.

Warmest personal regards, you fucking nazi.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:39 | 6765152 stant
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I come home from work turn on the tv . It's trying to sell me drugs and a new car. What could go wrong?

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:40 | 6765153 Surveyor4Pres
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Further, I wonder how many people know how difficult it is, nowadays, to get those prescriptions.

Are you aware that if you get a script for x-pills per month, you cannot refill until the day after you're due to run out?  In other words, you have to keep count each and every day, and if you're short by the end of the month, that's tough.  The pharmacy will NOT refill until the proper day.

So, I don't know where all these prescriptions are coming from:  As I've stated, it is very difficult to get the script, and then, even if they're stolen from you or your car, or you accidentally lose your vial, THEY WILL NOT REPLACE THEM until it's your due date.

So please, ZH and the rest of the media--stop with all of this FALSE bashing of prescription drugs.  Like the whole gun debate, it appears to me that what they're not telling you is that these drugs are being obtained ILLEGALLY (even if their supposed numbers are real).

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:45 | 6765171 Seek_Truth
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Junkie.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:50 | 6765182 Surveyor4Pres
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Asshole.

I'm sorry...what I really meant to say was "brainwashed asshole".  Looks like the media has gotten to you quite well.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:57 | 6765207 Arnold
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Yup,junkie.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:01 | 6765226 Surveyor4Pres
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Yeah, sure.  So this "junkie" has a wife and two kids, and makes six figures a year.  Oh, and I have a 150 IQ.  Some junkie, huh.

Looks like I'm pretty much ahead of the curve.  So, go back to your couch-sitting NFL fantasy league and beer-gut drinking life.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:10 | 6765265 Seek_Truth
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Great ad hominem attack, junkie. How about demonstrating your imaginary IQ for us?

You assume way too much.

There are many high functioning junkies and alcoholics- until, one day, they die in their own puke.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:32 | 6765344 Surveyor4Pres
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Sorry if I'm not the sheep that you and the FEDS want me to be.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:06 | 6765448 Arnold
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Geese , on my bended knee to you , junkie.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:07 | 6765255 Seek_Truth
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Methinks thou dost protest too much.

You make the same argument that every other junky makes- I lost my prescription bottle, I took too many and now I don't have enough to make it through the month- etc. etc. etc.

I've heard it all before- I've seen prescription drug seeking behavior many times, and have known many who died from overdosing.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt,

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:17 | 6765288 Surveyor4Pres
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Nope.  I just see the government trend.  First, they use their propaganda channels to bash pain medication (virtually a story every day on FOX News that is anti-pain med).  Then they make pain meds a level-2 drug.  They use libertarian push to advance a pot-smoking agenda, even though at the same time, e-cigarettes are under fire and real cigarettes are virtually banned, everywhere.

Meanwhile, they advance their failed war on drugs across this nation, killing babies along the way.

So what I see is a Federal Government that wants the edge against their citizenry:

1)  Take away our guns or make it more difficult to get them (or their ammo)

2)  Highly regulate pain medication such as hydrocodone or oxycodone

3)  Allow "stupid" drugs to take over, such as pot and their favorite: alcohol--both of which dumb down society and slow down their potential adversaries.

Pain medication is the only drug that our government is SCARED OF.  Hence the big push against it!

Now, how do you feel about my arguments at this point?  Hmmm?  And shouldn't you perhaps go back and rethink your posts?

The anti-pain med situation is BIG GOVERNMENT PLAY, AND ALL OF YOU ARE FALLING FOR IT!

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:36 | 6765355 Seek_Truth
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Yes because opiates are perfectly safe, right?

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/prescription-drugs-abuse-addictio...

http://www.pbinstitute.com/long-term-effects-opiate-use/

PS- you already painted yourself a not a corner with your "my drugs got stolen", "I accidentally took too many" etc.

Did your teacher really give you a pass on "my dog ate my homework?"

My diagnosis for your condition is Opiate induced Hypoxia and attendant brain damage, based on the dialog thus far. Might wanna have that claimed IQ checked- I detect a substantial difference that places you on the left of the bell curve.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:36 | 6765546 Surveyor4Pres
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Well, now.  You've really outed yourself as a Saul Alinsky, radical leftist.  If you can't argue the points, then you stoop to attacking the writer, with no knowledge of facts whatsoever.

BTW, I've never said I've taken ANY drugs.  But it would seem that the media along with our government has done a GREAT job in brainwashing everyone against these certain types of drugs.

Why?  I wonder...Why is there a push for POT legalization and the end of the drug wars, but, yet, the villification of certain pain meds?

And I bet you've watched Game of Thrones and thought nothing of the poppies used in the show.

Still, keep trying to attack me personally...that just proves what an ASSHOLE you really are.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 21:00 | 6765633 Seek_Truth
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Your hijack of a thread discussing whether guns are safer than prescription drugs into a rambling and incoherent promotion of opiates for all is laughable.

Here is a bullet list of things that you have stated support your argument:

1- because Veterans
2- because you lost you vial
3- because yor vial got stolen.
4.- because you can't be responsible for counting how many pills you take each day
5- because other drugs are "worse."

You are demonstrably an idiot and a liar.

Does your mom know you are using her computer?

Or is it "computer hour" at the mental ward.

Give it a rest- I am done with you and your specious arguments.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 05:58 | 6766574 Lurk Skywatcher
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meh. Pain meds like oxy are there to get you hooked, then they take them away and you have to feed your habit down on the corner with the rest of society.

The CIA conveniently increased poppy production by thousands of percent in Afganistan to sell them to flower shops?

 

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:40 | 6765373 nmewn
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3)  Allow "stupid" drugs to take over, such as pot and their favorite: alcohol--both of which dumb down society and slow down their potential adversaries.

Yep, no doubt about it, all those well known alcoholics, from Hemingway to Dickens to Shakespeare to Alexander to Cleopatra to Rembrandt to Picasso etal. were definitely all part of a dumbed down society...lol.

What inanity will you come up with for an encore? ;-)

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:41 | 6765157 taopraxis
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Facts are such stubborn things...

Personally, I hate guns and would never own one. However, the *right* to own one should never be infringed because the only thing worse than an honest citizen with a gun is a thief, murderer and/or government with a gun.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:42 | 6765160 Arnold
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Nice.

A  real risk analysis.

Preach it to the choir to get it right and we'll get it up the ladder.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:44 | 6765166 taopraxis
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Pride goeth before the fall...nevertheless, I'm proud to say that, at 63, it has been years since I saw a doctor or took so much as an aspirin. Snake oil...

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:44 | 6765169 XitSam
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End the DEA. Prohibition does not work. We've proved that.

End the FDA. Why should government regulate what anyone can put in their own body?

End the ATF. A mixmaster of unneeded enforcement requirements.

End the Fed. No group is smart enough to manage the economy.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:52 | 6765192 taopraxis
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Too intelligent...central planners know all, see all. I learned it at the gulag.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:00 | 6765219 Arnold
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Sorry, such a broad range, I junked you.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:05 | 6765237 taopraxis
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Thanks...

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:19 | 6765481 Arnold
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Mr X, is to whom I was spewing, although I agree with him. You are cool.

Sorry for any confusion, or contusion as the case may be.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:27 | 6765294 boattrash
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Old one, but so true...

 

ATFE (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, & Explosives) should be the name of a Convenience Store, not a Govt Agency.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:45 | 6765173 European American
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It's the ZIonist Jews that run operations intent on saturating the American masses with Rx Drugs. Not only is there massive money to be made, but controlling and manipulating a collective dependent on "legal" mind altering substances is much easier.

Rx for law abiding citizens living in a zionist, fascist police state: GUNS, lots of guns.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:59 | 6765215 Eddy Vluggen
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Bullshit argument.

Ban cars.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 18:59 | 6765216 Eddy Vluggen
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Bullshit argument.

Ban cars.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:05 | 6765230 Sudden Debt
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I just talked to a girlfriend today that is in a depression for 4 months now.

It all started after she got anti depressant pills from her doctor 2 years ago and ever since she's been going downhill.

She gained 40 pounds, looks like shit, can't work anymore and can't make any decission without bursting into tears. Her husband is now also breaking down because he has to care for the kids and a depressed wife and he also has a fucked up job.

Life can go to hell pretty fast if you look for a wonderpill that promises you constant happyness.

People need to be unhappy to know what happyness is. It's not what facebook will tell you but that's life.

And anybody who tells you he's happy 24/7 is a liar and a fool.

I now know 6 people who have a depression. That's a lot! 10 years ago I didn't even know what that was! And I've heard already enough to know to never take 1 upper because you'll get 2 downers for free.

 

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:25 | 6765316 Seek_Truth
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Send her this guys videos-

It can't hurt:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=em&v=8jhcxOhIMAQ

Nothing like comparison/contrast to adjust attitude.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:23 | 6765499 alphahammer
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Russia will do that to you...

Now, once Putin is gone, flowerts will bloom again. Tell her that to cheer her up.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 21:59 | 6765821 Recidivism
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It sounds to me like she desperately needs a new doctor.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 22:16 | 6765882 mijev
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Of better yet, she desperately needs no doctor.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 22:15 | 6765872 mijev
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SD, I've been there with an ex-wife and various GFs. Here's a serious suggestion that may just work. Tell each of the friends who are suffering (and making everyone around them suffer) from depression to try the atkins diet i.e. almost zero carbs/sugars for more than seven days - females need a couple of days longer for some reason. Almost guaranteed the depression symptoms will start to lift after five days because their blood sugars stabilze. Some people simply can't process sugar, especially fructose. Added benefit they will each lose quite a few lbs during that first week. If they can stick with it, then tell them to dump the meds and their psychiatrist/drug dealer.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:04 | 6765233 Surveyor4Pres
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Lest you pain med bashing morons forget:

You elected a President that smoked pot incessantly and snorted coke like it was going out of style.  And yet I'm called the junkie for my defense of veterans taking pain medication!

At least I didn't vote for one (the junkie named Obama)!

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:22 | 6765496 alphahammer
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Yea but you're obviously high as hell right now. So whats' your point? Don't bother...

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:11 | 6765267 Spungo
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Shoving a prescription drug in someone's mouth doesn't have the same psychological effect.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:12 | 6765274 The Carbonator
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Assault Medicine.

Democrats need to BAN medicine.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 19:49 | 6765393 Oldrepublic
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where is death by cop on that list

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:00 | 6765414 Spiritof42
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It's worse than that. The book to get is "Death by Medicine" by Gary Null.

Null adds doctors to the mix. The annual rate of deaths is in the neighborhood of 200,000 per year. Besides medical errors, drugs taken by prescription cause death because of their inherent toxicity. Americans are paying outrageous medical fees for the priviledge of having their health destroyed.

Think about it. The quality of health is deteriorating while medical costs keep rising. Those two facts should tell you medicine is good for the industry but bad for your health.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:05 | 6765445 xizang777
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Say that intruders bust into the house in the wee hours of the morning.  I  rather point a Glock 23 at them than one of my bottles of prescription meds.  Just saying.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:20 | 6765488 alphahammer
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Yea briliant. Because you're skyed up on your "bottle of prescription meds" you probably won't even know they're in your house. Then again, you may shoot the house cleaner AKA 'the intruder" due to that  same bottle of bullshit...

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:19 | 6765485 Brokenarrow
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the #1 prescribed drug in america: vicodin=heroin. im more afraid of dr's than I am of getting sick. after wall st theives, the most lucrative career in US=being a fucking dr billing medicare and medicaid.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:36 | 6765548 Hubbs
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The never ending discourse over the evils vs the benefits of "keeping and bearing" arms.

It's really all about whether the goverment can CONfiscate.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:42 | 6765570 Reaper
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Drugs provide a continuous income stream; gun sales are a one time sale.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 20:48 | 6765589 Surveyor4Pres
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So, let me see if I have this right:

Most of you who visit here every day spout off about snorting coke and smoking pot, and don't want their "rights" invaded by the FED government.

And you bash the War on Drugs, saying that it's failed policy.

But God forbid the Cancer patient, or severe back pain sufferrer, or injured vet needs to have his MANAGED pain medication, and ooooooohhhhhh,

Your gloves come off!

What a bunch of SAD, HIPPIE 1960'S LSD-TAKING, RADICAL LEFT WING SOCIALIST SAUL ALINSKY TYPES, that we have on this board!

So much for FREEDOM, RIGHT?????

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 22:04 | 6765839 Jackagain
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Yeah...unless you put a gun in your mouth too.

Sun, 11/08/2015 - 23:15 | 6766020 Yes We Can. But...
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Drug overdose could kill you. But more likely IMO that prescription drug taken in prescribed dose will kill you. Blood pressure med Lisinopril, 10mg/day, fucked me up, damn near killed me

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 02:32 | 6766432 Bunga Bunga
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President should ban height. Heights above 3 feet shall become illegal.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 03:27 | 6766481 DrZipp
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I was watching Drugs Inc tonight.  They were busting all these ho's in Chicago mosrt all of them were turning tricks for $20 to buy heroin.  They were arresting, booking and rekeasing them, gotta get them out before they start to jones bad cuz they didn't want to deal with the mess probably.  I just thought what a waste it was.  Really if they just took the money the paid those cops and gave these sick broke ass ho's the heroin they want (and will get anyway) society would be better off.  & I am against opiate abuse and heroin in particular.  Really I would give them all a shitload so they could overdose and die and save everyone (the family and friends they will rip off, the resources at the hospital when they go in after OD'ing, the vicims of their crimes) a lot of pain including themselves.  Barring that just give them the drug they want I think it would be cheaper all around.  But then I realiize the Prison Industrial Complex likes it the way it is, busting ho's and setting them free again, then the cops go home to the suburbs, and retire at 50 with a 6 figure pension for being fucking cap'n save a ho.  Fuckers.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 04:21 | 6766511 honestann
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They ALWAYS omit the largest cause of death in the USSA.  Which is, being killed by doctors and hospitals... about 800,000 per year.  This is only what AMA admits.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 11:57 | 6767611 DrinkTheKoolAid
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Silppery slope, comparing guns to prescription drugs. Prescription drugs are heavily regulated.

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