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US To Send "Thousands" Of Troops, Attack Helicopters, Artillery, To Europe To "Deter Russia"

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On Sunday, we highlighted a keynote speech delivered in California last week at the Reagan National Defense Forum by a man who isn’t afraid to venture into the “danger zone” (so to speak): 

Yes, that's Ash Carter in a V-22 Osprey hovering above the USS Theodore Roosevelt and that rather hilarious snapshot was taken just days before the Pentagon boss warned that Moscow may intend to nuke the US (and no, that's not us being hyperbolic, he actually suggested that) and that Washington needs to be careful to monitor China's "rise." 

This all comes against a backdrop of absurd sabre rattling from all sides when it comes to The South China Sea and the Baltics and frankly, it would be pure political comedy gold were it not for the fact that things have recently taken a turn for the very serious now that it looks like US spec ops could end up in a shootout with the Russians and Hezbollah near Aleppo and/or with the Iranians near Raqqa, depending on where Washington decides to place its Syrian field "advisors."

But despite the fact that Russia has built an airbase at Latakia and looks set to literally take over the Mid-East alongside the Ayatollah, those "in the know" seem to think that the bigger threat is in Eastern Europe where NATO is hell bent on "countering" Russian "aggression," even though to the extent The Kremlin is being "aggressive", it certainly seems like Putin is taking it out on Sunni militants in the desert and not on far-right volunteer battalions in Ukraine. 

Concerns about the potential for an epic Baltics battle have prompted officials to conduct a series of war games in an effort to determine the likely outcome, and as we noted a few months ago, the US loses everytime. 

Well, in an effort to ameliorate that, "senior U.S. military leaders have proposed sending more forces into Europe on a rotating basis to build up the American presence and are stepping up training exercises to counter potential Russian interference with troop transfers in the event of a crisis with Moscow," WSJ reports, citing the same conference Carter spoke at last week. Here's more: 

The new steps would allow for the presence of multiple U.S. brigades in Europe at any given time, increasing that number above current limits.

 

Gen. Philip Breedlove, the supreme allied commander of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, said he would like to see more brigades committed to Europe as rotational forces. Decisions on the proposal, he said, will be made “in the next couple of months.”

 

 

Gen. Mark Milley, the chief of staff of the U.S. Army, said the Army is refining its training to ensure the U.S. military is able to face threats posed by Russian forces, learning to counter hybrid war, which blends regular and irregular forces, propaganda and unconventional tactics to sow confusion. He also said he was in favor of sending more troops to deploy—on a temporary basis—to Europe.

Who knows what Milley means when he suggests that The Kremlin is trying to "sow confusion," but the takeaway is that the rhetoric here is starting to sound like something out of 1939. Case in point: 

Such moves, Gen. Milley said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, are critical to ensure that no new conflict erupts in Europe.

 

“Aggression left unanswered is likely to lead to more aggression,” he said.

So basically, Milley is making a thinly veiled reference to the appeasement of Hitler. Back to WSJ: 

The proposal for more rotating forces must be formally developed by Pentagon planners and then approved by the Obama administration and funded by Congress. The military will push for the inclusion of funding in a budget request to be sent to Capitol Hill early next year, officials said.

 

Russian officials declined to comment on Sunday. Senior Russian officials have repeatedly said there is little difference between rotational forces and a permanent buildup. They have also repeatedly accused the U.S. and NATO of being the aggressor in Europe.

 

“I fear that as we are dealing with Russia in Syria, the eyes are off the Donbas,” Gen. Breedlove said in an interview. “Why would we want our first negotiations on how we cooperate to be in Syria and then possibly allow the eyes of the world to accept what happened in Crimea?”

Yes, "why would we want" to de-escalate the situation in eastern Europe and waste a perfectly good chance to get into a shooting war there too? And here's more on how deploying thousands of troops keeps "tensions" from "growing into a conflict": 

Defense officials said NATO would avoid massive troop buildups and instead rely on ways to get smaller numbers of troops forward from the U.S. both during a crisis and to prevent tensions from growing into a conflict.

 

The Army currently has two brigades—of about 3,500 soldiers each—based in Europe. It has assigned one additional brigade in the U.S. to serve as a regionally aligned force that will rotate into and out of Europe. Gen. Milley said he would like to add more brigades to those rotating to Europe, and add attack helicopter units, engineering teams and artillery brigades.

As you can see, this situation is getting more tenuous virtually by the day. Washington is now talking about sending "attack helicopter units" and "artillery brigades" to the Baltics as though the US is already at war. To be sure, Russia isn't innocent in all of this - we've said that on any number of occasions. But NATO's perpetuation of the idea that we've turned the clock back to the 60s, 70s, and 80s is starting to become something of a self-fulfilling prophecy and on that note, we'll close with one more comment from Milley who explains that while "nobody wants to go back... to the Cold War," that's actually "exactly what we should be doing": 

“Nobody wants to go back to the days of the Cold War,” Gen. Milley said. “We don’t need exercises as big as Reforger anymore. But the concept of Reforger, where you exercise contingency forces … that is exactly what we should be doing.”

 

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Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:38 | 6768220 Zinu
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About time. Putin has gone made man mode.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:41 | 6768225 hedgeless_horseman
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President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

Meaning...

 

The Purpose of War According to George Orwell (1984)

 

 

The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of automatic process — by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible not to distribute — the machine did raise the living standards of the average humand being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries. But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction — indeed, in some sense was the destruction — of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance.

 

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:41 | 6768253 Zinu
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So you post text to take space, than edit it, again save it, again edit it, agains save it... etc.

Why don't you post al shit in one post?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:56 | 6768316 ZerOhead
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If you haven't already figured out that Orwell is telling you that this is a fake East vs. West narrative then you probably never will...

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:00 | 6768330 hedgeless_horseman
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The truth is that the conflict is The Individual vs. The State.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:04 | 6768348 ZerOhead
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The conflict is actually the State against the Individual

And the State is owned by the Bankerati Globalists.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:08 | 6768367 hedgeless_horseman
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the State is owned by the Bankerati Globalists.

...and the 20-year AFGU member, a janitor, equally.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:09 | 6768396 SoilMyselfRotten
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We would gain some credibility on a worldwide scale if only Ash Carter jumped to his grisly death out of that airplane

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:18 | 6768436 ZerOhead
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And HH... you will soon see the inevitable WWIII nuclear showdown that was not engineered by the janitor but by the Globalists who own Obama, Putin and Jinping.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:21 | 6768479 COSMOS
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All the while the Muslim Terrorists keep invading Europe.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:44 | 6768620 Boris Alatovkrap
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Dear Mr. Soetoro

You are too late. But are thankful for you are flexible after election.

Sincerely,

Vlad and Dmitry

(P.S., Prime Minister Chamberlain is call and is want foreign policy back.)

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:54 | 6768947 Pinto Currency
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Deploy troops to deter Russia.

From what??

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 16:49 | 6769229 Surviver22
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This is happening, Obama is our last president...

http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:15 | 6769607 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Looks like the langley assets are out in force to inaugurate this new mandate.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:48 | 6769756 Pinto Currency
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Perhaps Victoria Nuland is set to overthrow the government of Poland.

This means Poland needs to be protected from Russia.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 17:18 | 6769356 Carl Spackler
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Obama is an idiot.

And, Russia is a economic pipsqueak with a 1980s skateboard jump as its only "aircraft carrier."

To the rest of the world... Don't waste the time, energy or resources obsessing about a fly (Russia) on the wall, which will soon be buried in Winter. 

Plus, Russia's economy is in more dire straits than the economies of the nations Propaganda Minister Durden loves to selectively focus on.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 22:04 | 6770488 BarkingCat
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Obama indeed is an idiot and Russia is an economic pipsqueak when compared to major economies of the world.

However they are not a military pipsqueak and they have no need for aircraft carriers. They do not try project power across the globe.

Russia is only one of few nations that be completely independent from the rest of the world. They have all the resources they need within their own borders.

 

As far as the winter - they have seen these before and it does not stop them.

 

I do agree that we should not worry about them. They have not causing chaos across the globe.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 22:13 | 6770538 Boris Alatovkrap
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Agree

Disagree

Disagree

Really, really disagree

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 21:36 | 6769818 Johnny Horscaulk
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Putin *has* been like Chamberlain. He thought that the ZOG was done after Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, watching as Fox news and the Times convinced absolute fucking idiots that up was down, black was white, and Putin rather than the US and Israel had been bombing and invading and fomenting coups all over for decades.

But Greater Israel needs lebensraum!

http://www.mintpressnews.com/isis-israel-iraq-and-syria-its-all-part-of-...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/us-caught-faking-it-in-syria/

http://www.antiwar.com/henderson/?articleid=11920

And Cosmos has been like Pamela Geller.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 16:59 | 6769288 giggler321
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Change comes from some unexpected places - not I'm not gonna tell you to look to the skyes but hey they may come before the hegemonic elite pull the plug on their financial system.  Everything else including religion is just a social distraction

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:25 | 6769654 UncleChopChop
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people used to say 'don't use cuss words when you speak. it will make you sound like you lack the intelligence to use the real words describing the situation."

 

i think the same thing can now be said about the 'T' word.

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 22:06 | 6770499 BarkingCat
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Tits?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:36 | 6768566 813kml
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You really think Zionists own Putin?

I'll have some of what you're smoking.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:45 | 6768624 Haus-Targaryen
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If I were a soldier being sent to Eastern Europe to "deter the Russians" I would encourage them to get out as soon as their contract expires.  

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:45 | 6768628 Boris Alatovkrap
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Maybe you are chooming with Amateur-in-Chief.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:17 | 6769618 Parrotile
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I am particularly intrigued by the following line -

" To be sure, Russia isn't innocent in all of this - we've said that on any number of occasions "

Maybe ZH can enlighten me on this, since as far as I can see "Russian Aggression" (which is the point of this article) has been either a convenient fabrication by the Western "Impartial Media", or as a direct response to NATO Military buildup. "Russian Aggression" is NOT Russia running Military exercises on THEIR side of the border(s), and please don't get me started on "Crimean Annexation".

Why do I suspect that the VOTE for rejoining Russia was a "very bad thing" for the West in more ways than one, especially with so much interest by other groups, in following suit (Scotland, Catalonia, the Basque Region . . . .). That action has demonstrated quite a useful precedent, one that many may wish to follow . . . . .

Tue, 11/10/2015 - 13:36 | 6772952 BarkingCat
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If I were Putin or one of the patriotic Russian oligarchs I would start financially supporting any and all separatist groups  in the UK.

Those bastards have been playing this game for centuries but now their own island is ripe for it itself.

I have to wonder if there aren't any regions of former East Germany that would like to go back on their own after seeing the flood from the 3rd world..... although Merkel does come from East Germany.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:59 | 6768688 ZerOhead
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That is precisely what I am telling you.

Friend of Kissinger since the early 1990's (quite a coincidence no?) comes out of nowhere to be picked by Yeltsin and Berezovsky to rule for the Oligarchs then turns against them and renationalizes much of that which was stolen. Real feel good story... and as a result has 90% approval and wherever he leads the Russians will now follow. (Backs UN multipolar government... member of the BIS... supports banker created money out of thin air just like the rest of the globalists)

To bad about his good friend and advisor Lesin who died in Washington a couple of days ago with $28 million of real estate in California (WHERE HIS FAMILY LIVES). Yup these guys are real nationalists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Lesin

Wakey wakey muttonheads...

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:09 | 6768744 Winston Churchill
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Something Russians do, that westerners never, is talk to their enemies.

Its a national trait.

They find it easier to kill you that way.

You are reading way to much into that, Putin had to appear to

be pllaying along, or invite an attack while Russia was too weak.

Time will tell, because either you are right,or I am, but both would look the same.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:20 | 6768776 ZerOhead
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Not only will they look the same but they will also end the same.

One World Financial system run by the Global Bankerati / One World Government run by the Global Bankerati.

If you check into the failure that was "The League of Nations" which was a Global Government set up by the banksters after WWI and then "The United Nations" which was a Global Government set up by banksters after WWII you will quickly understand the game plan being utilized.

The "League of Nations" and the "United Nations" were set up by (and for) the same banking familes after all...

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/02/26/the-united-nations-expose...

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:17 | 6768789 813kml
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You are the one who is right.

His theory is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside a paranoid hallucination.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:23 | 6768814 ZerOhead
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Possibly but extremely unlikely...

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:36 | 6768874 813kml
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Glad we agree, that's the perfect description of your conclusions.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:11 | 6768753 813kml
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As for Kissinger, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.  Being member of BIS is necessary evil in order to have functioning economy.  Putin renationalizing stolen assets kind of refutes your theory of him not being loyal to Mother Russia.

What does Lesin have to do with anything?  Russian media mogul has large net worth, film at 11.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:36 | 6768860 ZerOhead
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The fact that you haven't even bothered to check into who Lesin was and the role he played during the privatization of the Russian economy speaks volumes... are you a complete idiot or just a troll?

The BIS my friend IS the nexus of the Global banksters who are the ill that is plaguing the planet today. How does that qualify Putin as a Nationalist?

The renationaliztion of the stolen assets are actually THE ONLY THING that qualifies Putin as not being owned by the Globalists. Without that no-one would ever believe the War that is in the works and is carefully being documented if you only cared to notice.

 

"ALL WARS ARE BANKER WARS"

Except for this one right?

Dream on...

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 16:42 | 6769183 emersonreturn
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zerohead, lesin lived in LA, probably BHs, because he was head of RT...media is controlled in america as you know, so it was more than likely  essential that whomsoever would attempt to get RT on the air be jewish. 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:01 | 6770034 Johnny Horscaulk
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Have you *considered* that maybe *you* are wrong?

Because it seems like you have yourself a cute theory, one that cant be proven or disproven easily, meanwhile all sorts of evidence suggests that Putin, whatever his flaws, stands in the way of American unilateral and global hegemony and perhaps Israeli ambitions.

Perhaps you are right, but perhaps you dont really know much about Putin's rise from the FSB?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 23:18 | 6770796 ZerOhead
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Until a couple of months ago I was in complete agreement with the majority of Putin boosters here.

Not so any more. If you guys don't want to question the Kissinger connections not only to Putin but also to the architect of Glasnost and Peristoika (Alexander Yakovlev) you can keep believeing whatever it is you want.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/1171-kissinger-...

Tue, 11/10/2015 - 02:21 | 6770812 ZerOhead
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.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:40 | 6768597 Raymond_K._Hessel
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Zionists own Obama.

The 'theyre all really puppets of the (vague shadowy cabal)' argument is worth considering, but that doesnt mean assuming it true while discounting the abundant evidence to the contrary.

There are various groups looking to become the dominant global power.

That which interests the American and Israeli megalomaniacs is not at all necessarily what the Chinese or Russian want.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:54 | 6768948 J Jason Djfmam
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Why jump out of a perfectly crashable airplane/helicopter/accident waiting to happen?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:09 | 6768399 ZerOhead
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Correct... you need to get enough people to buy into the system to preserve the appearance of fairness.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:12 | 6768402 ZerOhead
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But that janitor dosn't stand a chance against a banking establishment that creates money out of thin air... and his kids will be slaves.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:15 | 6768445 hedgeless_horseman
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The government workers seem to be doing ok...

 

On the federal level, it was just reported by USA Today that the average federal civil servant compensation is $123,049 per year. 

 

That’s more than double what private sector workers earn
(average of $61,051). Since 2000, federal government employee
compensation has grown by 36.9% versus 8.8% for private sector
employees.

 

In Las Vegas (Clark County) the average firefighter earns $199,678 per year. 

 

When he retires at age 45 or 50, we owe his pension based
on that obscene salary. But here’s the clincher --when he finally dies,
the taxpayer has to continue paying the pension to his spouse. Add up
the damage to the economy. It is catastrophic. Talk about a 1 per center
-- a single firefighter could retire with $8 to $10 million for not
working for the rest of his life.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:26 | 6768483 ZerOhead
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I am in total agreement with the absurdity and destructiveness of  public sector compensation these days by the way.

Firing half of them and cutting the wages for the other half by 50% would be a good start. I figure sometime soon Obama will require mandatory firearms training for ALL government employees to protect the nation from the "terrorists." (AKA everyone who is not a governmental employee).

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 16:03 | 6768978 Bastiat
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A couple thoughts:

1) The $199K annual "earnings" for the average firefighter is actually the total cost including all benefits (health, pension contributions, etc).

2) Typically, with a defined benefit pension, the pensioner makes an election at retirement whether to be sole beneficiary (full payout) or 50%, 75% or 100% joint and survivor.  If one of the latter options is chosen, the amount of the pension paid monthly is reduced in some actuarial computation that takes into account the birthdate (ie. statistial life expectancy) of the spouse. Health benefits do indeed cover the spouse of the retired employee.

You may still find the compensation too high but it's good to start from a clear idea of what it is.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:12 | 6768422 TeamDepends
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The Rothschild Khazarian Mafia wants as many US soldiers on foreign soil as possible, so that when the Red Dawn attack comes US citizens will be on their own. This is why Flexible Barry the commie mole was installed. The good news is that the Navy was not fooled, and still has our back.http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2015/11/09/was-the-trident-missile-lau...

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:29 | 6768511 Dickweed Wang
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http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com

 

Please don't link to this guy's site or quote the fool that runs "thecommonsenseshow"!!  This is the same guy that repeatedly tells everyone that the "Russians have troops in the USA", "The Chinese have troops in the USA" (and one or both are going to take over America), that the UN will be used to "take our guns" and that unfinished malls with hurricane fencing around them are "FEMA camps".  He also predicted with much confidence that WWIII was going to start between May 31st and June 7th of 2014.  There is enough bullshit in the comment section of ZH without adding crap like that . . . .

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:21 | 6768807 TeamDepends
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How do you know that there are no Russian or Chinese troops on US soil? YOU DON'T! Do you think Brian Williams is going to tell you about it on the teevee? Kerry signed the UN Small Arms Treaty you fucking pinhead, OF COURSE the UN will be used to disarm us- it's in the TPP! If Dave's site scares you, don't click it. Tools like you will be the first in the camps.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
P.S. WWIII has started.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:39 | 6768864 Dickweed Wang
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Hey man, if you want to believe the BS you see on the guy's site, go for it, just don't try to pass that site off on to ZH readers as a legitimate source of info because it's not. 

I have another site you probably would be interested in also:

http://beforeitsnews.com/

Like "thecommonsenseshow" a lot of the "breaking news" and news that is "shocking" that you'll find on that site is based on 2nd and 3rd hand emails from a friend of a friend (that's where reports of the foreign troops in the USA have come from BTW).  You'll find nothing but the truth there, I can assure you . . . . .

"Fucking pinhead", moi??

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:06 | 6770050 TeamDepends
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Hey man if you want to believe Dickweed Wang, who clearly has his head up his ass go for it, just don't try to pass off this dude to ZH readers as a legitimate source of info, because well, he is Dickweed Wang. We have another site you might be interested in: MSMNBCPMSFOXCNN.com. You'll find a lot of "breaking news" that you will find "shocking" based on the propaganda Edward Bernays so elegantly described. You'll find nothing but truth there, we can assure you....

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 17:23 | 6769375 lakecity55
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I think the guy is a patriot, but hell, he's all over the place.

I don't think he's too reliable: too much inconsistency.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 19:08 | 6769847 fudge
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If Dave's site scares you, don't click it

I only needed to click once ;) any fool who posits that Russian troops are on US soil is not worth reading.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:14 | 6770067 Dickweed Wang
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I only needed to click once ;) any fool who posits that Russian troops are on US soil is not worth reading.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of people buy into BS like that . . . . .

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:55 | 6770186 TeamDepends
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fudge and Wang, perfect. You two can console each other in the camp. "There can't be Russian troops on US soil, because that's what we believe." That is the extent of your logic. Take Barry's open-mic gaffe, then search for first-hand accounts of Russian troops on US soil. They are in AK, WA, TN, and ID at least. But hey, if you sleep better at night pretending that Barry is vigilantly protecting our borders....

Tue, 11/10/2015 - 01:29 | 6771104 RevIdahoSpud3
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Why just yesterday in Twin Falls, Idaho there was a full brigade of Russian soldiers at the IHOP. Twin Falls has been a target of the Obama admin. for relocating "Syrian" refugees. As in Europe, these refugees all happen to be fighting age men aged 18-30 in excellent health and physical appearance. The Russians were there co-ordinating advanced tactical field maneuvers with the Syrians which includes sabatage of a major power grid that supplies all of the Northwest US and parts of California. Also on their agenda was the National Engineering Lab Northeast of TF and the Mountain Home AFB to the Northwest. This infiltration was developed due to the fact that Idahoans generally feel detached from the vulnerabilities other areas of the country are subject to and consequently when confronted with face to face exposure to the enemy don't usually think much of it. When questioned about the large Russian presence many of the locals indicated that between the Russians and Californians invading the state most preferred the Russians?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:03 | 6770036 Johnny Horscaulk
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Youve driven off the map into Crazyville, baby.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:46 | 6768633 Volkodav
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that site is terrible...

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:46 | 6768637 pazmaker
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Are they coming to liberate us?(not the navy but the invaders)

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 17:25 | 6769385 lakecity55
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Hell, what IF the Russians knocked over our .politburo? They would be doing us a favor. Maybe they would arrest all the crooks.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:06 | 6768374 Never One Roach
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I thought Bryan Williams was going to get this story ... since he likes being in the action.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:07 | 6768388 Hugh G Rection
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Or is it haves vs have nots, bankers vs serfs, jew vs gentile?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:17 | 6768458 proV
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What state? State is not an objective entity. You have to believe in it to exist.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:45 | 6769742 css1971
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The king was the state. You know. The guy who killed all his opponents. Like a mafia gang boss might. That is the origin and the nature of "the state".

Today the kings are mostly gone, but the levers put in place are just pushed by others.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:32 | 6769680 Kirk2NCC1701
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HH: "The truth is that the conflict is The Individual vs. The State."

And Zerohead states that "the State is owned by the Banksterati".  

Fine.  You are both describing the same animal:

Given that the Elite (the rich, powerful, influential) have a different Worldview than do the masses, that they deceive perpetually and off whom they live so nicely, what you really have is... a War of Worldviews.  

This is the essence, distilled to its most fundamental mode.  As a result of this most fundamental mode, all other modes are manifestations and inevitable consequences of these differing and incompatible View on Life, etc.

Inasmuch Nature recycles everything eventually, so too the Elite must be recycled on an ongoing basis and w/o exception.  Death kind of does that already -- as a Rebalancer of last resort -- but it needs to happen much sooner, if we are not to return to the millennia of Feudal Rule by a Neo-Aristocracy and Neo-Clergy.  We must do what is necessary, no matter what our social and clerical brainwashing (that They invented) has taught us.  Else we are truly doomed.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:01 | 6768322 knukles
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Who the fuck is thinking this shit up?
They're gonna get us all killed!
Where's that old "Fuck the EU" spirit?

Gotta Kudos you Tyler as per an exchange some years ago; "It's gonna end in war."
Only war lacking right now is full scale .... er.... wait ....

Are we there yet, mom?
Oh, we've been there for a long time now, Billy.  Be a good boy and take your medicine.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:05 | 6768363 OpTwoMistic
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Right on!  Beam me up Scottie.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:43 | 6768260 Stackers
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NATO cold war "contingency forces" even going back to the 1970's and 80's when they were at their largest, were never going to be anything but a speed bump delaying force meant to gain a day or two.

Read Red Storm Rising by Clancy someday. Gives a great story line of how quickly war would start and be over or have both sides about to nuke each other with "limited" tactical strikes.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:20 | 6768471 silvermail
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Washington does not want the Cold War, it is true.
Washington wants a real war against Russia.
If someone in Washington is so eager to go to war against Russia, then in the end they will get it of course.
But the war for the United States will be the last. Amen!

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:55 | 6768687 doctor10
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Deter from what?!!!

the utility of war as a world economic driver for millenia,  has ground to a halt.

That is what the Angl-Euro-American deficits are all about.  That's what has happened in the Mid-East. Despite half a decade of war the world blew up in 2008 -and despite another decade of war, the world remains worse off. 

The proponents, as will all other facists proponents, will merely argue  that the "program wasn't big enough, the budget was "too small" and that "individual freedoms" were too excessive to permit "success"

 

The model is broken. and the war-mongering oligarchs that have ridden that horse for centuries, are out of minds and out of ideas .

 

It probably is too much to hope for that they will step aside quietly

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:50 | 6768928 J Jason Djfmam
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"After all, Oceana had always been at war with Eurasia..."

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 16:05 | 6768985 general ambivalent
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Orwell's mistake is in assuming the positive origin which becomes corrupted. Another position is that machinery itself developed out of war-based societies, societies which had reached the pinnacle of destruction (so they thought), and now sought to engage war by peaceful means - through economy. The destruction of economic goods is actually written into the very economic systems of modernity. Planned obsolescence is its natural state precisely because the machine develops out of kingdoms of war which brought about their own obsolescence. They destroyed themselves and created even more powerful systems.

The World Wars occurring during Orwell's lifetime could only ever break the technological stalemate by making technology itself obsolete, thus returning the industrial machines to their origins of repetitious drudgery. In World War I, this meant a political authority which could allow the men to overcome the technology itself; rather than artillery fire being depleted, thereby allowing an advance, the eternal escalation of artillery created a wasteland in which it was impossible for anyone to cross. Men themselves had to become the artillery, machines, and it is this which brings about the age of the Unknown Soldier.

After this, technology advanced in a way which would allow crossings of the wasteland. The technology allowed for safe passage of some of the soldiers, and then was progressively made obsolete to allow more men-machines to cross and finish the battles. World War II followed this same pattern, but only through creating greater wastelands and rendering technology obsolete at a much faster rate. The drudgery of machines had always been their for the majority, but war made it appear to return for the upper-democrats who wanted to feel equal to those below them for ideological reasons. The Second Great War began through a project of political and technological obsolescence, and sought to leave a nation in eternal obsolescence. In return, the war itself could only follow this line of reasoning, and the war played out as progressive destruction of ones own war material so as to give way to even more material, and thus consume the wasteland.

Effectively, this did not create a situation of superior technology nor a pathological need to destroy one's own excess material, it created a dual or second-order war in which the object becomes to 'make your own machines obsolete as quick as possible.' This means that the homefront also becomes a warfront, as technology itself, and the technology to create that technology, must become like the unknown soldier crossing the wasteland. The Bomb was the rational conclusion of this Total War, real totality of war had to be everywhere, or at least its threat had to be.

What does this all mean? At its core the democratic system includes a political ideological of dual-consumption, a separation from oneself which consumes the other. Hydra-like, it reaches out in various systems which perform this service. Economically it creates a system acting as a gorgon, propelling one forward and also paralysing the enemy who peers at it. This means that Orwell's warning is misplaced, as the terror was not something democracy might become, but was already something deep at its core - a repressed impossible structure no one can look at. All of the dystopias function as a way of hiding this origin of the system, covering it over in false worries and deepening the very system that consumes itself as it consumes others. It seeks out the impossible monster, the devil, so that it may bargain with it, include it, learn from its warnings, while progressively recuperating itself as the perfect system - one which is always abstract as it is never the same. In this sense, democracy must always create its enemies as it is a nihilist system, a void which can only live off of other systems. Socialists and fascists are created by the system because they are needed, democracy is completely empty at its core, offering nothing of substance - only the destruction of other systems, and thereby itself.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 17:10 | 6769321 Jack Oliver
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George Orwell never envisioned the internet - Those that choose are no longer ignorant. Researching past events exposes the momumental deceit perpetuated by the media ever since it came into existence - Governments can no longer cover their lies - Things have CHANGED !

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:39 | 6768234 Zinu
Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:31 | 6768540 cheech_wizard
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So in a former alias, which Latvian potato gnawer were you?
>Member for
>1 week 4 days
Tyler needs to check new applications against their i.p addresses.
Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:39 | 6768238 insanelysane
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To deter Russia from what???  Vietnam, Afghanistan, Crimea, Syria???

Vietnam fell and the world fell.  Oh wait that never happened.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:43 | 6768242 cowdiddly
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Potato theft. What else is there in E Europe they could possibly want??

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:08 | 6768392 Never One Roach
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Look at the bright side; the moar volunteers they get the safer our streets will be from low-IQ, unemployed, disgruntled, oxycodone-dependent, aggressive yutes. Let the EU have them.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:29 | 6768526 Badsamm
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Isn't Biden Jr. working in Ukraine for the natural gas reserves?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:29 | 6768837 Panafrican Funk...
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Pipelines.  Kinda surprised Belarus isn't dealing with similar bullshit simply due to being land between Russia and NG-hungry Europe.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:14 | 6768439 lincolnsteffens
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@insanelysane

No, no , it did happen!! I still wake up in the night with that scary sound of dominoes falling.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:32 | 6768546 silvermail
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Russian threat - it's just an excuse.
The true goal of Washington - the military occupation of Europe, under the any good pretext.
Europe must become a donor to the United States. All money of Europe has to flow into the United States.
Europe must die in the name of saving the world's financial power of Fed.

But Europe can escape from death as a sacrificial doe. To block the ability to escape from death in Europe, Washington decided to put more US troops in Europe.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:09 | 6768742 Jugdish
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The Fed is not the world's financial power, it's a subsidiary.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:40 | 6768243 BullyBearish
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When the bankers run out of tricks, they have one left...WAR

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:45 | 6768269 curbjob
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First they print .. then they take us to  war.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:57 | 6768317 HughBriss
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...and then they print even moar and cite, "recovery!"

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:08 | 6768394 A Lunatic
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There should be lots moar fiat to go around once the world is purged of several billion folks......

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:51 | 6768296 Jack Burton
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Marc Faber "They will print, and print and print. Then they will go to war."  Who with Marc?  "Oh, the United States will always find someone to go to war with."

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:44 | 6769726 Kirk2NCC1701
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That's the magic of MAGIK MONEY.

You're either on the Inside (and enjoy the Rentier, Money-for-Nothing lifestyle), or you're on the Outside (looking in, dreaming, drooling and elbowing others out of the way).

Peeps, whenever presented with a Situation, have the calmness and presence of mind to (a) Reduce everything to its most Fundamental Essence, (b) Put it in Context of the Big Picture, and (c) Re-Assemble (synthesize) it in rational, sensible terms.   That way, you are most likely to avoid falling for Wrong Arguments, and be able to air the Right Arguments and pursue the Right Policies, Laws and Rules.

Oh, and... (d) Don't get distracted by the Rabbit, like a Greyhound at the races.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:45 | 6769741 Raymond_K._Hessel
Tue, 11/10/2015 - 04:02 | 6771296 Kirk2NCC1701
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Thanks for the link.  :-)

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:06 | 6768376 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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Well, he is a self made man.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:37 | 6768575 ZerOhead
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With a little help from Kissinger and the CFR Globalists.

Unless of course you believe he turned on Berezovsky and Yeltsin and his recently dead friend Lesin and all of the other global power structures and became a flaming nationaist.

Of course that doesn't explain his propensity for supporting International governmental organizations and globalist financial bodies.

THE MAN IS A GLOBALIST and his message is get on board with the new multipolar world.

AKA NWO.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:59 | 6768612 farflungstar
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What a twat.

"Putin has gone into mad man mode" How so?

By bombing all sorts of terrorist and mercenary murdering CIA scum in Syria?

He should be our next President, asshole. 

I know, you were just looking for attention. Crawl back into your cardboard box and wait for next potato.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:00 | 6768706 justdues
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At you Zionu "Putin has gone made man mode". Why because he refuses to bend the knee to the  dual citizen made men running the show in USA

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:33 | 6769691 j0nx
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You! Joe America: no squirrel gun for you! But I WILL send billions in arms to terrorists around the world paid for by YOU.

 

Sincerely,

all democrats.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:43 | 6768226 JustObserving
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The Nobel Prize Winner starting World War III now that he is running out of brown people to bomb

US defense secretary threatens Russia and China


By Patrick Martin 
9 November 2015


US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter delivered a pointed warning of future wars Saturday in an address to a forum at the Reagan Library in southern California. The reckless and provocative character of the Pentagon chief’s speech is underscored by the targets of his saber-rattling: Russia, with the world’s second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, and China with the third.

The subject of the forum was the restructuring of the military-intelligence apparatus to deal with the threats that strategists for US imperialism anticipate in the coming years. As Carter noted, “After 14 years of counterinsurgency and counter-terrorism–two skills we want to retain–we are in the middle of a strategic transition to respond to the security challenges that will define our future.”

Giving only brief mention of the ongoing US wars in Afghanistan and against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), Carter said he wanted “to focus my remarks this afternoon on another kind of innovation for the future, which is how we’re responding to Russia, one source of today’s turbulence, and China’s rise, which is driving a transition in the Asia-Pacific.”

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/09/cart-n09.html

George Carlin on American Foreign Policy - Bombing Brown People 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:52 | 6769780 Kirk2NCC1701
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Speaking of Intolerance -- especially to the Hegemony of his Financial Masters -- these sick, warped phucks truly believe their own BS and and vomit.

They will do anything diabolical, to retain their Exceptional positions and lifestyles of the Self-Chosen Elite.  Or so they would have the world believe -- if their Big Con is to be taken to its amoral and logical extreme.

As part of that, they need the new Dual-Bogeyman (Russia+China), to justify even greater MIC spending.  

/ Hey, you gotta recyle those Petrodollars somehow, somewhere -- if the rest of the world is slowly avoiding it in their Petro deals. /s

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 19:36 | 6769948 Freddie
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Endless ISIS convoy entering Syria from Iraq has US Apache helicopter flying air cover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFFb5E22TvE

USA is ISIS.  Share this with everyone.  Why the Russians were not bombing the shit out of this convoy is beyond me.  Apache seen at 1:40 and 2:51.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:03 | 6770038 Escapeclaws
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What ever happened to all that NSA snooping business? Has that just up and disappeared? Seems like were always concentrating on one thing or another and forgetting what we concentrated on before. It's almost as if someone is controlling what we think about. I guess those former things were just a tempest in a teacup. Hey, maybe this war talk is just a tempest in a teacup as well. Nah! This time (he says for the nth time) is different.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:40 | 6768239 RawPawg
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oh look,another area of the world that USA really has no vested interest in

surprise,surprise....

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:41 | 6768246 Seasmoke
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“SOMEBODY wants to go back to the days of the Cold War,” Gen. Milley said. “We don’t need exercises as big as Reforger anymore. But the concept of Reforger, where you exercise contingency forces … that is exactly what we should be doing.”

Fixed it./

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:27 | 6769668 Parrotile
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Somebody wants to make sure that the gravy train shows no sign of diminishing.

Somebody may be "owned" by those who do NOT represent the US Taxpayer base . . . . . .

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:41 | 6768251 dsty
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a soft and limp slap

ouch

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:44 | 6768267 Youri Carma
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Let's cut the unfunded liabilities and do more funded liability spending aka Military spending.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:45 | 6768270 Main_Sequence
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I didn't realize Walter Matthau from Grumpy Old Men was the Secretary of Defence.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:51 | 6768295 insanelysane
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Maybe Asshat and Putin can settle things out on the ice fishing camp.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:47 | 6768275 franciscopendergrass
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Is this like when the Germans re-armed the Rhineland?  

We know how that went

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:47 | 6768277 dumbStruck
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General Breedlove.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:48 | 6768286 Glass Seagull
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Where "deter Russia" = boost GDP

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:51 | 6768297 optimator
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Glass, I'm more worried Barracks will "detour" the troops = to the Middle East.

(The Big Boss is back in town today)

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:56 | 6768313 theallseeinggod
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“Aggression left unanswered is likely to lead to more aggression,” he said.

I agree. Russia should nuke America for their aggression against Syria and Libya right now.
Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:07 | 6768373 Dickweed Wang
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I agree. Russia should nuke America for their aggression against Syria and Libya right now.

 

Unfortunately, if the USA doesn't back off in antagonizing both Russia and China I'm afraid that's what it will come down to.  Once both Russia and China see that their very survival is at stake, and their back's are against the wall, they will not hesitate in lashing out to eliminate the threat to them once and for all.  Russia has actually prepared for this with over 5,000 shelters for their citizens . . . . and maybe that's what all those "ghost cities" in China are for after all (i.e. the survivors).

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:33 | 6768552 cheech_wizard
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or simply target practice...

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:04 | 6769556 doctor10
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At some point they'll isolate us and shun us-its cheaper, ;ess destructive and more effective

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:30 | 6770151 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Russia has actually prepared for this with over 5,000 shelters for their citizens . . . . and maybe that's what all those "ghost cities" in China are for after all (i.e. the survivors)"

/ If you can't escape to your fancy digs in Auckland, Tel Aviv, Montevideo, Santiago or Capetown, you can always dig a hole and do what 'Merikans do best:  Hope & Pray. /s

Mrs Kirk won't leave the Kool Aid fountain, so I'm screwed as long as the kids are in the house. Even though I have "options", they do me no good on short notice.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:57 | 6768319 debtor of last ...
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Those choppers would come in handy to keep the muzzies out.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:15 | 6768385 tenpanhandle
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All those young, fit, military age men might have been "sent" to Northern Europe to provide NATO with manpower to fill foxholes on Russian border when hostilities with Russia become hot.  It's Russian choppers they will face.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:12 | 6768760 Jugdish
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"Get to dee choppa" - A. Schwarzeneggar

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 13:59 | 6768329 Dickweed Wang
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To be sure, Russia isn't innocent in all of this - we've said that on any number of occasions.

 

Yeah, I've seen the claims that "Russia isn't innocent in all of this" a number of times and my question still is; What has Russia done in the way of "aggression" against NATO or any country in the EU for that matter?  As far as I can tell, to date Russia has only responded to repeated belligerent acts from NATO and has threatened no-one, unless you consider Russian mobilization of their own forces within their own borders a threat (which NATO apparently does).

As far as Russian "aggression" in Ukraine goes all that I would say is; How would the USA respond if an outside entity promulgated an overthrow of the duly elected government of Canada and that same outside entity supported the "new" fascist Canadian government in murdering the citizens of Ontario - who did not want to be a part of the "new" Canada?  Would the USA support the people of Ontario in their battle against the new fascist Canadian government?  You're damn right they would!!  So what makes the situation untenable when it's Russian interests at stake??  As usual, the hypocrisy of the USA is astounding . . . . 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:11 | 6768419 tenpanhandle
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Canadians don't need to worry about an outside (non U.S.) entity taking over and spreading facism.  They need to worry about the U.S. doing that.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:31 | 6768541 o r c k
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You hit the wang on the head with that dickweed

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:36 | 6768668 I-am-not-one-of-them
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already being done

worry about undoing it

 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:55 | 6768686 Savyindallas
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And I don't like that new guy- Trudeau  -he reminds me of Hitler. We've got to do something to stop that guy. Alaska is in great danger. I may have to have my Minnesota relatives move down to texas.

But wait, there's a better way  - let's invade and liberate the Canadian people  -or at least bomb the shit out of that country and support their freedom fighters.  Most of them are CIA trained and Muslim anyway. Many have already done tours in Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq. 

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 20:35 | 6770166 Kirk2NCC1701
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Long before Canada stopped being a British colony, they became an American colony.

You'd never know it, judging by the self-deluded gibberish by its MSM and political parties, but it's the Truth.  And pride & vanity aside, Canadians know this, in their heart of hearts.

Canadians fancy themselves as being "The better Americans", the way that the Swiss consider themselves to be "The better Germans".

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 23:16 | 6770789 opport.knocks
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The Swiss ARE the better Germans. That is why so many of the Germans who came to Canada after the war claimed to be Swiss. Judging by the numbers, the whole of Switzerland came here.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 16:54 | 6769258 Anunnaki
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Russia isn't innoccent in all of this is a code word for "what about-ery". What about-ery is the phenomenon where since both sides are not lily white they are equally at fault.

Obama in Syria is equally as bad as Putin Syria. Even though PUtin was invited by the legitimate gov't and Obama is starting yet another dictatorial war. It's not even about r2p with Obama. It's pure unadulterated invasion.

Those Special Forces "hostages" in with the FSA Unicorns/Moderates is illegal by international law so that makes them meercenaries and free to be turned into bugsplat with their headloppig and liver eating pals

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:00 | 6768339 Amish Hacker
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War with Russia in Europe would be the definition of full retard. Recent events are one of the stages we would pass through to get there.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:09 | 6768400 HowdyDoody
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Except this won't just be in Europe. Why bomb the monkey, when the organ grinder is waiting in the wings?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:09 | 6768403 Glasnost
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Time to breakup NATO

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:49 | 6768925 Baby Bladeface
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Also time is to break up into smaller entities the US less threatening of humanity.

Should be in terms of surrender insisted to include.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 16:49 | 6769231 Anunnaki
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Keep provoking the Bear and that could happen. At some point Russia needs to turn the taps off.

How about on Dec. 24, 2015?

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:03 | 6768352 yogibear
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When all there schemes fail they take us to war.

WWIII would be a significant diversion for the globalist.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:48 | 6768538 Flybyknight
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You can hide a lot of fraud when world trade and financial agreements are thrown into dissarray by war.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:05 | 6768360 Dr. Engali
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Remind me again how many military bases around the world Russia has, or how many countries they have invaded..., crickets? That's what I thought.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:12 | 6768423 HowdyDoody
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Thanks to the actions of the US-funded ISIS head-choppers, Russia now has one overseas military base in Syria. I suppose attacking head-choppers could be considered 'aggression' if the head-choppers are your proxy force.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:20 | 6768472 Dr. Engali
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But remember, Assad is still the ruler in Syria and Russia is there on his request, so that's not an invasion. Unless you judge by U.S metrics then simply protecting your borders is considered an invasion.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 15:23 | 6768817 I-am-not-one-of-them
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The US thinks it has sovereignty over all countries.  It delegitimizes sovereign countries with lies, deceit, dirty tricks, terrorism, Trojans, threatens other countries not to interfere, threatens other countries to be lackeys, media propaganda to support their claim, the whole 9 yards of Imperialist attack.

When the US invaded Afghanistan,  Afghans were not supposed to defend themselves, the US could murder hundreds of thousands, torture while invading and occupying, but defending your sovereignty by killing Americans was a crime.  Omar Khadr

Hubris without acknowledging double standards, ruthlessness over empathy, World Hegemony or bust and humanity be damned.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 18:52 | 6769762 Killdo
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and then they wonder why there is so much bullying gong on in the US (and UK ) schools - children simply copy what they see around them

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:05 | 6768368 pupdog1
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That glimmer in Carter's eye is his envisioning a future of countless $75,000/year do-nothing board seats, $150,000 speaking fees, and a multi-million dollar advance on his book deal if he pleases his masters.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:06 | 6768379 A Lunatic
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We must keep Russia from killing all of our CIAISIS operatives in the M.E........

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:07 | 6768386 Crazed Weevil
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"Nobody wants to go back to the days of the Cold War"

So why are you trying to restart it then you blithering idiot!

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:13 | 6768432 HowdyDoody
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The full quote should be:

"Nobody in their right mind wants to go back to the days of the Cold War"

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:14 | 6768440 FreeShitter
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Thats why its going hot.

Mon, 11/09/2015 - 14:07 | 6768387 Spungo
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Correction: billions of dollars worth of shit will be sent because defense companies want to sell more units to the US government.

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