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China Sends Fighter Jets To Island, Demands No Mention Of "Contentious Issues" At Summit
When Washington sent the USS Lassen to Subi Reef last month, it represented the most meaningful escalation yet in what has become an incredibly tense standoff in The South China Sea.
America’s friends in the region - most notably, The Philippines - seem convinced that Beijing has designs on using its newly constructed islands in the Spratlys as forward operating bases for future military operations. China of course denies this, but has nevertheless built 10,000 foot airstrips capable of landing fighter jets and surveillance aircraft, cement factories, and ports atop the reefs, and when a US Poseidon spy plane went to have a look back in May, the PLA told it to “Go now!”
There are conflicting accounts of just how “forceful” a message the US actually sent by sending a guided missile destroyer to Subi (some say the exercise wasn’t “convincing” enough), but it did serve to antagonize Beijing and indeed, Admiral Wu Shengli told US chief of naval operations Admiral John Richardson that this needs to stop now unless the US wants to go to war.
But by all accounts, the patrols aren’t going to cease because Washington needs to save face and reassure its allies in the South Pacific and so, the stage is set for an “accident.”
Now, reports indicate that China has sent J-11BH/BHS fighter jets to Woody Island, south of Hainan in what one could be forgiven for believing is an attempt to discourage US military flyovers. Here’s The Diplomat:
The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has dispatched an unknown number of fourth-generation J-11BH/BHS fighter aircraft to Woody Island (known as Yongxing Island in Chinese), the largest of the Paracel Islands administered by the People’s Republic of China in the South China Sea, according to Chinese media reports.
Woody Island, located around 200 miles (321 kilometers) south of Hainan Island, boasts the only operational airstrip in the South China Sea, although China is in the process of construction of at least two more airstrips in the Spratly Islands.
The J-11BH/BHS fighter aircraft are most likely part of the People’s Liberation Army Navy’s 8th Aviation Division stationed in Hainan Province. As my colleague, Ankit Panda, reported at the beginning of the month, J-11BH/BHS fighter jets armed with missiles have recently carried out exercises in the South China Sea rehearsing “real air battle tactics,” according to the PLA Daily.
Yes, “real air battle tactics”, which certainly leads you to wonder if they aren't preparing to establish a no-fly zone above the islands in the Spratlys. After all, moving the jets to Woody gets them closer to Beijing's new islands:
Here's more from Defense News:
The new location could prove troublesome for US surveillance aircraft, such as the EP-3 Aries and the P-8 Poseidon, that fly through the area on a regular basis. In 2001, a collision between a Chinese fighter and EP-3 resulted in the death of a Chinese fighter pilot and the forced landing of the EP-3 on Hainan Island. In 2014, a Chinese fighter harassed a P-8 in the vicinity of Woody Island, which followed with a strong verbal protest by the Pentagon.
Bonnie Glaser, director of the China Power Project, Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the Chinese are demonstrating to the US, other claimants to the South China Sea and their domestic audience that they intend to protect their sovereignty.
As noted above, we've already seen what happens when a P-8 Poseidon gets near China's sandcastles:
Fortunately for the US, these particular fighters apparently have trouble with "salty sea air." Back to Defense News:
Taiwan-based Alexander Huang, chairman, Council on Strategic and Wargaming Studies, said that it might be too early to focus on military implications. Citing the problems Taiwan’s Air Force faces with the operational and seasonal deployment of fighter aircraft at Magong Air Force Base, Penghu Island, Huang said weather and the salty sea air makes deployment on off-shore islands difficult for advanced fighter aircraft.
“If they intend to place J-11 on Woody Island around the year, it would be an ‘all-weather’ test to the airframe, parts and combat systems onboard before I do military implication analysis.”
Glaser agrees. “My understanding is that fighters are likely only to be deployed for short time frames in the Spratlys – the salty sea air would cause havoc to the aircraft over long periods.”
Maybe, but that's really not the point. The issue is whether Beijing is ramping up its capability to "cause havoc" to the US and its regional allies should they continue to antagonize the PLA in the Spratlys.
Stay tuned...
And meanwhile (via ABC):
China's top diplomat asked the Philippines Tuesday not to raise contentious issues — an obvious reference to the Asian neighbors' territorial spats — in an annual economic summit of Asia-Pacific leaders in Manila next week, a Filipino official said.
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi's request, relayed to his Philippine counterpart Albert del Rosario during talks in Manila, underscored Beijing's objection to any effort to bring the long-raging disputes to an international arena, where rivals like Washington could use it to criticize Beijing.
Non-inclusion of the thorny topic would also shield Chinese President Xi Jinping, who is expected to attend the Nov. 18-19 Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Manila, from a potentially embarrassing confrontation.
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Bra Bra Bracksheep
Demands No Mention Of "Contentious Issues"
Well.....alrighty then.
Also don't mention little dicks, shitting in the street, deadly smog, chemical warehouse explosions, or Russians.
Thank you.
^^^^^^ short hand for don't talk about amerika ?
:D :D
Looks like a Mig 29 clone. Hope it doesn't match the performance.
pods
Obama doesn't lead....he is led.
It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced.
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Shit. I better take the job offer in India.
Hitlery or Little Lord Gayroy is going to start a nuke war with Russia/China.
I know a deep cave south of Delhi to hide out in. My old work crew found it and hasn't told anyone that I know of.
China has just announced it's Monroe Doctrine, methinks.
That's it. "Our own little area over here, that never did cause anyone else any trouble." Except it doesn't belong to them.
No tickee, no landee, comrades.
"Mao Doctrine," haha.
Fuck the island-stealing Chicoms.
Sorry if that's an insensitive microaggression.
Ran McNally mapmakers said in 1900 that those island are Chinese.
In 1903, the USA told Japan that the USA would put in our books that the islands would be " admistered " by the japs, as the japs were US puppets at the time, but that in no way transferred ownership
In 1903? Is that what they teach you in ideology class?
I see the chibots have their talking points ready to go.
Lol turd those islands are not halfway down the pacific like Guam and Marshall they are in S.E.Asia where all s.e asian nations have right to it , not US.
The Nobel Prize Winner is pushing his multispectrum was against Russia all the time. As if we needed more tensions in this world:
Pentagon push for build-up in Europe against Russia
By Patrick Martin10 November 2015
Top Pentagon generals are backing a plan for stepped-up rotation of American ground troops to Europe that would increase by 50 percent the US forces available to NATO in the event of a confrontation with Russia.
The plan was outlined at a defense forum at the Reagan Library in southern California that Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter addressed on Saturdayafternoon, putting Russia and China on notice regarding the build-up of US military forces in Eastern Europe and the South China Sea.
In comments reported by the Wall Street Journal Monday, both General Philip Breedlove, NATO commander, and General Mark Milley, the Army chief of staff, confirmed the planned troop increase. The US military has two brigades on permanent station in Europe, totaling 7,000 soldiers, and the rotation plan would add a third brigade.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/10/nato-n10.html
America is fully aware that the way to draw Russia into a conflict is to push forward towards Russia’s borders. In time, Russia will be forced to defend its right to exist, and when this happens, western powers will not know what hit them.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/22/4790
NATO is already to Russia western borders. They will not invade, with uniformed troops, but I suspect they plan a covert activity war with terrorist crossing back and forth over the borders.
It's more my assumption that ships violating the water of China would have to be attacked with missiles from land and that these planes from China are nothing but an empty show and are of no threat. Has China put it's best missiles on the island,? Has Russia given China the use of the S-400 system?
If China and Russia are so tight why does Russia hold back the S-400 and engines for China's jets? (I assume the S-400 is better that what China has and that China still struggles with jet engines.)
Russia has Cossacks, Bryansk, Don and Kuban watching the border. Cossacks will eliminate covert soldiers crossing back and forth. Cossacks are well armed and trained.
That is correct! The Russkies will surprise US Forces on Gay Night and catch them with their pants down and their dicks up.
Vlad: "Wha't wrong, General? I hear you are in Berlin."
General: Yes, sir!"
Vlad: I know you did not defect. Did they ask you to fly there for cease-fire talks?"
General: No, sir, we are IN Berlin. The whole Russian Army. We defeated ZATO in six hours."
Vlad: Is there any beer left? The first one is on me, General."
General: Spaceba, Mr President.
The Nobel Prize Winner is pushing his multispectrum was against Russia all the time. As if we needed more tensions in this world:
While you and I and other normal humans (regardless of nationality) don't need more tensions, the scumbag PTB need something to blame their intentional collapse on, and a war with not one, but two major powers would be just the ticket. It's Order out of Chaos, baby - none of this shit is an accident .... although it would be nice if a certain "shitty little country" and their cesspools of corruption and manipulation in other countries "accidentally" got nuked to glass ...
What would be classic is if the Russians and the Chinese kept turning the other cheek long enough to let the US implode on it's own - thus robbing the banksters and controlled whores of their badly-needed "cover story" ;)
I bet the chinese planes can fly in the rain.
Already a step above the f-35 moneyhole.
Might want to hang on to those Warthogs.
warthogs will be chinese drone targets ;)
"Control, Maverick 1 here! I am flying thru a T-Storm! The plane is dissolving! The Heads-Up display has been hacked! All I can get are X-rated movies of Bath House and Reggie!"
"Eject, Maverick! Eject!"
Loud as fuck, but easy to fix as a VW bug.
They used to fly over coastal SC all the time at fairly low altitude. Not really noisy, more like a whistle. Even takeoffs out of Myrtle Beach AFB were quite tolerable as we sat on the beach (Springmaid). Now, F16s- that's another story.
Warthogs are cool looking planes that are very tough, but they would be shot down like Stukas in WWII in any environment where the US did not have absolute air superiority...
But it replenishes those "precious bodily fluids".
Why do the Tylers keep using that picture of that Chinese "24" villain in their articles about China?
It's like: "Jack Bwower, how do you likey your flied lice?"
Why do the Tylers keep using that picture of that Chinese "24" villain
Because it's cool.
Tylers, please rotate the ChiCom and Russkie fighter jets, they make cool screen savers.
Thanks, LC.
Send me an email address and I will send you some of my collection.
The salty sea air causes havoc on Chinese planes? No shit, because they use low end "stainless" steel and the shit rusts. This includes the jet turbines which become pitted in the salt sea air.
Hard to project power when your shit falls apart.
Chinese pilots have almost no combat experience, to boot.
Good point. Just because they managed to steal and copy some planes doesn't mean they're airmen just yet.
Everyone likes to whip out their dicks and compare equipment, but a better pilot will shoot you out of the sky either way.
This argument does not apply to the Russians.
firing missiles at a ship that is 30 miles away and run doesn't take much... even you could do that
This is assinine. This is akin to some foreign country telling us what we can and cannot do in the Gulf of Mexico. More New American Century bullshit from our warmongering neocon cabal.
It's only asinine if you have no knowledge or understanding of history or international relations and it's not "bullshit from the warmongering neocon cabal". This world order has been in place for two centuries, and Chinese attempts to rock the boat will of course only be tolerated so long. American response has been perfectly rational, if not a bit mute, as if the country has lost confidence - unless it's designed to appear so.
The neocon movement has been in place for twenty years, not two centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
This is a program for global American hegemony. and is "devoted to matters of 'maintaining US pre-eminence, thwarting rival powers and shaping the global security system according to US interests.' British MP Michael Meacher stated that this is "a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana,"
The lunatics might want to create a global Pax Americana but they are instead creating a global nightmare.
No it is not.
But if you want to use that as an example, it would be like US building somewhere near Cancun.
China is has built islands in someone else's backyard.
Or like the US destroying much of the ME
Melian Dialogue (again). That Thucydides knew human nature pretty well.
Take a look at the most nearby armory or fort. I live in a very small mid-western town of 20K and the armory has never been this full of vehicles & volunteers in my lifetime. This only confirms the recent ramp up of aggression. Things are on high alert IMO.....
Take a look at the most nearby armory or fort. I live in a very small mid-western town of 20K and the armory has never been this full of vehicles & volunteers in my lifetime. This only confirms the recent ramp up of aggression. Things are on high alert IMO.....
Volunteers????
Volunteers????
If the Chinese fly like they drive there is nothing to worry about.
Just think of it as an Air Force made up of squinty eyed McCains.
I am surprised that their single aircraft carrier is still afloat.
Maybe they haven't attempted to use it for landing planes yet.
The US has circa 700 foreign military bases around the world including major instillations at Okinawa, Japan and 15 military bases in South Korea. No doubt, there are US nuclear weapons at these bases, aimed at China. How would the US react if China (or Russia) had major military instillations this close to US territory? In response to its economic stagnation and decline, US foreign policy has become increasingly reckless and bellicose. Very dangerous times ahead.
Any rational thinking American who understands just how ludicrous are actual finances are understands we are in a very historically precarious postion.
If we just sit here and wait which we could, we will end up like North Korea and spend all our GDP on the MIC or it will inevitably begin to shrink and since this is a certainty then the alternative is to provoke a conflict the sooner the better.
I'm not saying I agree with this but you'd have to think I'm not the only person who's figured this out.
I wonder if they are already mapping out the 10 dash line and the eleventh. With the plan to create a new canal into the Carribean perhaps they can set up a naval base there and then we will have the 12th dash line. Soon perhaps our Gulf fisherman will find themselves in Chinese waters.
They have big plans but even after stealing all the best Russian, US, European technology I doubt it will function as well as planned. If the code resembles the stuff I see from China it will be buggy and untested, but they are fast. Core dump!
They have stoked a lot of their people into a nationlistic furor so anything could happen. While Chinese Ballistic missiles can push American aircraft carriers far out to sea, the fact remains that China is more dependent on those sea lanes than we are, for basic stuff, not iPhones. While they might push our surface ships back, they will inherit a barren ocean where US submarines will deny them any sanctuary. Its often overlooked how the U S submarine force crippled Japan in WWII. Carriers get all the attention. An over populated China is reliant on those sealanes which would be cut as surely as Japan's were.
Everyone comes off a loser, in a conflict but China will lose more. Hopefully they can keep their hotheads under control, while we do the same.
If China is thinking the US will blink first, they're right. Sometime in 2016, the US under the instruction of Barack Obama, will turn tail and run. Why he thinks he can get people to fear his resolve is bewildering to say the least.
So there are losers and winners in nuclear winter? Who are the winners, those who can stay underground for a generation?
Looking at a map of the S China Sea, you'll notice that Luzon, PI is closer to Fiery Cross Reef,
Scarborough Shoal (especially) and Mischief Reef than is Woody Island. The shorter distances from
Luzon to the aforementioned "islands" allow for obvious advantages, namely shorter time to
target and longer loiter times. This all wo/ need of an a/c carrier. In addition, as posted by
Davelis, China is dependent on the sea lanes that are under "threat". The Chinese navy will HAVE to leave the
relative "safety" of the S China Sea to take off a naval blaockade that would be manifest at the Malacca Strait
as well as the Strait of Sunda and other passageways thru the Indonesian archipeligo. And the Chinese have lots of'company
in the S China Sea: https://www.google.com/search?q=spratly+islands+map+AND+claimant+outpost...
Vietnam has claimed no less than 17 reefs/islands per my count of the aforementioned document.
"Come on 'Dlllos! Let's get it on!"
I guess the Chinese will lay (publicly unmarked) difficult to detect mines along the 12 mile limit around the Spratlys and formerly warn the Pantygon that it's protecting sovereign territory from invaders. When the first US warship goes B-A-N-G, then we'll see some sparks flying.
Why not let the Philippines and Vietnam duke it out w China? They seem to be the only countries effected by what China is doing. Why do we have to stick our busy body nose into it? Hey Vietnam kicked our asses and kicked the Chinese asses in 1979 during a "border dispute" I'm sure they could deal with another Chinese problem. Seriously, unless the Chicoms are massing off the coast of Hawaii, why is this a problem? Last time I checked the Philippines was a sovereign nation not a US territory.
What shit... so does salty air affect aircraft on carriers so that they don't work.
China... test your missiles....
So, what you gonna do about it U.S.A.?...Keep talkin about it and taken pictures?
meanwhile, we'll keep building
Time for US hegemoney is over
becuz hegemoney == money