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"It's Going To Take Years": US Air Force Calls For Ground Troops To "Occupy And Govern" Iraq, Syria
One thing you might have noticed of late is that Washington seems to be preparing the US public for the possibility that the Pentagon is going to put “boots on the ground” in Syria and by “boots on the ground,” we mean more than 50 “advisors.”
Indeed, it’s the same story in Iraq and as we noted after the release of helmet cam footage depicting an ISIS prison raid in the northern Iraqi town of Huwija late last month, releasing battlefield GoPro shots is probably i) an effort to convince whatever partners the US has left in the Mid-East that Washington is still effective at “fighting” terror, and ii) a prelude to stepped up ground ops.
That assessment was confirmed when the Pentagon suggested it would send Apache gunships and their crews to Baghdad. Of course Iraq poured cold water on that idea when spokesman Sa'ad al-Hadithi told NBC News that "this is an Iraqi affair and the government did not ask the U.S. Department of Defense to be involved in direct operations. We have enough soldiers on the ground."
Yes, enough Iranian soldiers, and so, as we noted earlier this month, the US will either need to go through Erbil to get more US boots in Iraq or else just shift the focus to Syria where putting combat troops into battle risks lining up American soldiers to enter into direct combat with the Quds and Hezbollah and may even risk an “accident” whereby Russia bombs an American position because the Pentagon lied to The Kremlin and said the US wouldn’t be operating near Aleppo.
Well, on Tuesday, we got the latest hint that a large scale (not to mention prolonged) ground operation is in the offing as the U.S. Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James told reporters that air power alone cannot “defeat ISIS.” Here’s Bloomberg:
The U.S.-led military coalition fighting Islamic State militants is weakening the group’s hold in Iraq and Syria even after Gulf Arab allies scaled back airstrikes, though ground forces are needed to retake territory, senior U.S. Air Force officials said.
The coalition’s air campaign has killed thousands of fighters, including key leaders, and pushed back militants by hitting control and training centers as well as equipment and storage areas, U.S. Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James told reporters Tuesday. Occupying or governing land will require “boots on the ground” including the Iraqi army, Syrian opposition fighters and Kurdish forces, which the U.S. is trying to train and equip, she said.
"It’s going to take years" to fight Islamic State, James said at the Dubai Air Show. "Ultimately, this area requires a political solution as well."
The coalition has recently targeted Islamic State’s revenue sources, including oil facilities, Lieutenant General Charles Q. Brown Jr., commander of the U.S. Air Forces Central Command, told reporters at the air show. The U.S. has moved A10 jets from Kuwait and tankers from Qatar to Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base to help in the campaign, he said.
And more, from AFP:
"Ultimately it cannot occupy territory and very importantly it cannot govern territory," she told reporters at the Dubai Airshow.
"This is where we need to have boots on the ground. We do need to have ground forces in this campaign."
James cited the "Iraqi army, the Free Syrians and the Kurds" as forces to support in the fight against IS.
Ok so first - and we're not going to go into the whole story here because we've covered it exhaustively - these two things are not compatible and someone in The Pentagon needs to explain the contradiction:
- The U.S. has moved A10 jets from Kuwait and tankers from Qatar to Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base
- James cited the "Iraqi army, the Free Syrians and the Kurds"
You can't fly from Incirlik in support of troops fighting with the Kurds. It won't work. Erdogan will lose his mind. Someone in Washington needs to explain why the US thinks that's feasible.
But more importantly, note that James mentions "occupying [and] governing territory."
Who said anything about "occupying and governing"? Does the US now intend to "occupy and govern" Syria even as the Russians and Iranians expand their campaign?
Finally, what's this about "years"?
It seems to us that James is saying the US needs to invade Syria in an Iraq-style takeover bid. We're that will go splendidly, but again the silver lining is that starting World War III will be a boon for the MIC, which means the economy will rebound in short order.
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oh, STFU< pussy!
like Greece and the millions that marched here in the US in 2003-only to be ignored-they have given up-also it is much harder to march these days thanks to the lol 'Patriot Act' and also making a living these days takes up much more time than before...fukya
ie: aerial photos showed a solid unbroken march of thousands of a packed 25-block street/s of the city; Estimates were 40,000 people at the March 2003 protest-(there was a pro war group of about 50 people who after razzing people, (calling marchers faggots and commies, soon got egged....and went home sobbing lol!) Gotta make a law to protect their feelings, too
The (cough) 'liberal media' here each allowed as that as many as 'a few hundred' showed up. SPD said "1,200"-and nearly all photos were taken at ground level to show only the first 50-60 people at the head of the march....not a long shot looking up about 15 blocks straight, CRAMMED with a sea of people..
fascist 100'x100' "Free Speech Zones" also kill protesting.....
What about boots on the ground at our on frigging borders?
Power, Harf, Nuland, now this dumb bitch James. Overcompensating nutbags hell bent on destroying this country.
More like Slutbags.
Do you really think Iraqi's or Syrians want Americans to govern their country for them? Instead of encouraging positive change within these countries by incentivising good behaviour in their governments, the US just goes in and destroys the government. Then the terrorists move in and the US uses that as political cover to occupy. Marshall law until Washington installs a puppet government. Hardly a solution at all. This is complete bullshit actually. What does the UN say to this rogue state going around occupying others? Fuck all.
US cant even get an airdrop done correctly....Has the US declared war on Syrian and have a UN mandate or am I missing something...The world is much better off if the US just stayed home. Bomb your own damned citizens if you want to increase your profits.
Who will stop us? And when?
That's really the only pertinent issue of the times.
The thing is US has been already stopped. Have you seen the visit from China in Britain 2 weeks ago? The top globalists have already moved to China, they already govern the globe from there. You think British Crown would make a dinner with some irrelevant commies from the East? The main task Obama has got wast to not allow starting WW3. I'm guessing the Nobel Peace Prize was given to him with idea like that.
the MIC hasn't been stopped, yet. And it's the only authentic part of the US economy.
Cornered animals, etc etc. The world is underestimating how crazy our Dr. Breedlove's really are imo.
It took years to create ISIS: invade Iraq first, then Afghanistan, destroy Libyia and almost destroy Syria as well.
I bet the plan was in the end to "rescue" the Middle East from the crazy islamic filth and for USA to easily take over from their proxy ISIS army after that. Huge lands empty of people that were sent to Europe. A huge opportunity for Israel to spread its power across distant territories of its neighbours and enemies. What a dream..
It's up to the American people to remove these maniacs and dual-citizens that have taken over US government... Doing nothing means you all going to die.
Because boots on the ground worked so well in Iraq. What will end this madness is reinstating the draft. Every able bodied man, woman and transexual between the ages of 18-24 conscripted immediately! That should wake them out of their iphone stupors and their parents' basements into the streets.
I hope, I mean I truly hope. No.... I'm BEGGING the US government to re-instate the draft. Because that might get sheeple in the US to realize that wars involve them, and that they can die too, not just the "volunteers" for allowing their leaders to endlessly perpetuate war.
Ain't gonna happen, the military I served in was loaded up with mercenary soldiers from the provinces yearning to become citizens, so why annoy the merchant and farmer classes for their sons.
That's why it won't happen. They might wake up.
Iraqi's and Syrians already occupy that land. Leave them alone to govern themselves. That will take no time at all.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%...
Now that's funny. The Obama administration created ISIS http://rickwells.us/archives/17693
And it's going to take years for the US to get rid of them!
They must think we are all stupid morons.
Now that's funny. America voted for Obama.
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And it's going to take years for the US to get rid of him!
They must think we are all stupid morons.
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So what they are saying here is we cannot keep peace remotely with technology cause to stop bad people in the Middle East we must have good people on the ground with rockets, grenades, tanks, etc. However in America to stop bad people we need to do away with what little remains of the extremely gimped privilege to sometimes maybe have certain government approved weapons in certain places and take away all guns from all non government agents because they can keep peace remotely with technology.
Well that's over my head, I guess that is why they make the big bucks in Washington....
Holy Jesus! Are you shitting me? Are these Neo-conservative maniacs going to go back in and occupy both Iraq and Syria? Do you know how insane that is on every level? The money for this will run into the trillions, just like last time. Where will that come from?
Americans, you have one last chance to save this nation. Boycott every candidate that runs for congress and the White House, Demand Ron Paul run for president, vote for him. Ask Paul C. Roberts to run for senate.
I'm telling you, the Zionists in Washington will never settle till they are at war with Russia. We are entering what one writer called "national psychosis", at state of national insanity. The result of which gets you things like Hitler and Stalin. An entire nation goes over the brink and can no longer think with reason, allowing insane rulers to do insane things.
Obama is a democrat, a socialist peace nick. This is the mantra media will give you. But underneath, he is worse than George Bush was, more war monger than George was. In fact Obama is an insane mad war ruler. All American presidents must be approved by the pentagon and CIA before they may rule, and Obama is not an exception to that rule!
Obama does decide upon exactly nothing, it doesn't matter who he really is, he's just one of the actors that were put into the POTUS chair. If his masters want more war, then there will be more war. The one who is really in control of what can happen is the FED with its banks and MSM.
JB
In 1981 we began borrowing money, with no intention of paying it back, for defense. A few years ago we began printing money for defense.
The only way Washington will settle for war with Russia is if there is a 'pinky promise' with the Kremlin NOT to go nuclear. No matter what. Putin doesn't seem ready to do that
You are probably 200% right but remember they are trying to support the economy so they can stay in power. The economy goes down and they lose their power. "We are three meals from revolution!"
Agree with all that Jack.
"[...] the Zionists in Washington will never settle till they are at war with Russia"
Revenge for the jewish Marxist Bolsheviks who lost the Soviet Union.
And Russia is rich in minerals/energy: they want it.
The problem is man's sin nature and when the moral constraints of a nation are mitigated & even applauded, as they have been, then you just get to view what is know in theological terms as "total Depravity". We are in the process of witnessing what we really are on the inside and everyone is infected. The constraints only allow a degree of manifestation of the disease, now that the constraints are removed (abandonment of divine fixed moral laws) people will show their real colors in a higher and higher degree.
Piss on God's holy and just ways and you will feel His full weight in this life and more so in the one to come. Truth sucks for most; it is why they deny it.
Remember
Some of this craptalk is just boilerplate disinformation.
It's designed to increase the sales of beer, ibuprofen, and Preparation H.
You know I read all these comments and agree that the US government is the problem and we need to get the fuck out of the ME. I can tell you why our government and military are still there. THE PUBLIC DOES NOT CARE. I am surrounded by college educated people all day at work and on weekends. Not one over the past year has mentioned our involvment or what our government is doing. Its like being in Fear the Walking Dead. People just dont care what the government does. I try starting discussions on ME, PM, War, etc. and nothing. I get a few yea yea crazy stuff going on but that is it.
They don't care because most people are extremely selfish.
If it does not effect them directly, they do not care
Blowup some Saudi Arabia oil field and watch oil double an the gas prices double and they will care.
What's up with RT News?...
One would think the status of Metrojet Flt 9268 would be "front and center" but what's the point when Russia today has guests" Like Paul Vallely?!!!
Very strange seeing the Mossad/Langley cut out on the program 3 days after Mikhail Lesin's "exit"!
Good question Son of Captain Nemo, what IS going on with the plane crash and who will be obliterated for it?
Are they saying they want a mandate in Syria nad Iraq? I'm sure the people there will be very happy about that. There will be no insurections whatsoever trying to get rid of the occupiers.
These people create their own mandate. Citizens are buzy trying to make a living and don't object.
Actually it is beyond that; we participate...sometimes by choice and sometimes without our knowledge.
It is time for the rest of the World to tell the USA that they can no longer dictate terms to a waking global population.
The US is now a rogue State. It is run by warmongers, criminals, Nazis and Satanists. The US is causing global collapse, and as long as those at the top of the pyramid have their bolt holes to flee to, they do not give a toss for the rest of us.
If there are any good guys left in the military, now is the time to act. Throw these evil bastards in jail.
Thanks activisor, How often can an American call his Government a rogue State run by warmongers and have it be precisely true in every sense of the words?
And to wake America up ? Yes, the draft or a nuclear explosion in the lower 48. Not much else.
Yes, air power by itself cannot defeat ISIS.
Especially when it is either dropping bombs in vacant desert, or dropping supplies to our ISIS employees.
"US Air Force Calls For Ground Troops To "Occupy And Govern" Iraq, Syria"
Dear USAF: you're a bit late to the party. Russia and Iran have already taken that action.
"It's Going To Take Years": US Air Force Calls For Ground Troops To "Occupy And Govern" Iraq, Syria
Hmm, I think we debated this and tried it in 2003 and it turns out we did not have the persistence and the enemy was way to determined to keep this from happening. At the time there were a number of sceptics that were at least willing to give it a chance.
Not sure that is the case now. Not sure why they are even talking about this.
sschu
It will go much quicker than years. Just as soon as Iraq asks the Americans to leave.
Hey you dumb bitch! Let's put you in a pair of boots and airdrop your ugly ass into Syria and YOU can personally "Occupy and govern"!
How about that?
ISIS assigns Deborah Lee James the duty Sex Jihad and subsequent discovery appendage similar of Bruce Jenner will be shocking.
This is looking more and more like 1939 with the world heading into another great war.
This time it's the US 'indispensable and exceptional' lunacy that is acting like another people that thought they were 'uber alles'.
In a Face to Face interview Carl Jung asked while talking about WW2 and the Germans 'what if something again goes wrong with the psyche?'.
Many here refer to US leaders as lunatics, psychopaths, delusional, which are symptoms of Western psychopathology.
Most Americans accept the narratives that are leading the US into disaster because they are captured by the same psychopathology.
This is an unfolding disaster. I think we are in great danger.
Like many other people, I can see the madness that has engulfed the political elites and where they're heading, and it will not end well. But there's virtually nothing any of us can do about it whilst the vast majority of sheeple are soaking up the propaganda and believing the lies.
We will get no thanks when we end up saying "I told you so."
Do what israel says and no one in AmeriKa gets hurt, you goy fucks
Why does the USSA not turn its toys on Saudi Arabia and overthow that piece of shit and steal its oil. Doubt anyone would have an issue with that. I mean a monarchy these days whose family wealth is in the trillions. Seriously. People with that kind of wealth have a lot of interest in keeping thing status quo or more adeptly raising hell in other people's backyard.
Give Obomba all the Peace Prizes!
War is a racket.
They continue as long as they make profit.
I can't see what they will cook up to justify ground troops in Syria.
Wait.... never mind
OK. Let the AF provide the ground troops to do it then.
It's going to take years? It has already taken years. American wants to grind it out. Russia wants to eliminate Daesh with record spead.
America is being pushed out and wants to use extra judicial means to stay with their finger on the switch.
Once Assad pushes Obama's headloppers and liver eaters out of Aleppo, they can't scurry back to Turkey. Their only outlet is Iraq. That's when Haidar invites the Russians to pound the Caliph's Trail (West Central Iraq) sincce America bombs dirt when they should be pounding their Toyota straight line convoys.
America will be too embarassed when Russia (from the air) and the Shia in Iraq (on the ground) make mincement of whoever doesn't get bugsplatted.
No Fly Zone in Syria will become de facto a No Fly Zone in West Central Sunni-stan Iraq. Obama will look totally impotent
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I guess there's a lot of customisation available in uMatrix which I haven't drilled down to yet.
If you see me around; let me know how it is working. Faster is sometimes better.
Seems what is at work here is that Obama wants to put American troops in harm's way in the hopes that Putin won't bomb anywhere there are American "military hostages"
Obama is not running this shit. He is being pushed into acquiescing to this stuff by the MIC Neocons. That pretty much tells you what voting for some, "President" is worth. Congress gave it's war powers to one individual and that person is meaningless.
Sounds to us that you voted twice for Obummer.
I hope we do put "boots on the ground" over there. 1,000's, heck 10's or 100's of thousands. When they start coming home in body bags, maybe, just maybe the proud military families and friends of these poor mislead bastards, will finally start asking themselves just what the hell are they dying for. What honest reason can they give for their sons (or daughters) to die in Syria? What threat does Syria pose to our national security? For that matter what threat was Iraq, or Libya?
Wake up people! Your sons and daughters are cannon fodder being sacrificed for political ideology.
Quote: "The U.S.-led military coalition fighting Islamic State militants is weakening the group’s hold in Iraq and Syria even after Gulf Arab allies scaled back airstrikes, though ground forces are needed to retake territory, senior U.S. Air Force officials said."
They made that s*** up; what US led COALITION? You mean the US and the CIA terrorists working together to ruin peoples lives and cultures everywhere? They definitely know how stupid Americans are. You could replace US with the words "Russia, Syrian & Iran".
That narrative will be all over the lamestream and people will drink the kool-aid.
Welcome to the human race - I say!
'It's gonna take years...' I say shut the shit show down now!!!
thought balloon for photo above...."Holy shit! im running out of lies!"
n/t
Years and yet more years. The century is young.
Get those boots on the ground, y'all. The Russkies will give you air cover.
Contract to Russia to get it done in a few weeks.
Here's a novel idea; Get the heck out of the middle east altogether, quit buying oil from there and use US and Canadian oil. 4000 soldiers dead, for what?
Should provide lots of jobs for the 25-54 crowd. Tell'em that we taxpayers will forgive all of those student debts if they just roll the dice, sign up, and hope that they don't come back in body bags.
Fuck these fucking fuckers.