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Methods For Fighting Back Against Collectivist Tyranny

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Submitted by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com,

In any examination of historical precedence, it is easy to see that the sheer number of collectivist and tyrannical systems have far outweighed any experiments in individual liberty. I have explored the reasons for this in numerous articles, including recent pieces such as “How To Stamp Out Cultural Marxism In A Single Generation” and “The Tools Collectivists Use To Gain Power.” To summarize, there is a driving desire among weaker-minded people to seek control over other people in the name of arbitrary standards of safety as well as arbitrary standards of “civil” conformity. While such people proclaim publicly that they do what they do for the “greater good,” in reality they seek only to satiate a private lust for power.

In the darkest corners of their souls, many people have personal aspirations to attain godhood in their own little worlds. And if they cannot achieve such godhood outright on their own, then they will join a mob with similar aspirations so that they can at least feel omnipotent through vicarious tyranny.

This is why collectivism and individualism are mutually exclusive. A collectivist uses force or manipulation to compel the masses to accept a society that follows his personal ideology. An individualist adheres only to the tenets of natural law and the non-aggression principle. He believes force is justified only when the personal liberties of an individual are threatened by others. And he demands that if he participates in any society, it be voluntary. Collectivism is society through coercion. Individualism promotes society through voluntary cooperation. The two philosophies cannot coexist.

I'll say it again because there are some people out there with severe reading comprehension issues; the definition of collectivism requires the prioritization of the group over the rights of the individual.  Collectivism by its very nature denies or destroys individualism and individual choice in this prioritization.  Collectivism therefore requires the engineered organization of individuals predicated by COERCION, or force.  Period.  If a group organizes voluntarily, then it is NOT collectivist.  If a group is organized through force and manipulation, then it IS collectivist. Period.  Bananas are yellow.  Oranges are orange.  The sky is blue.  Two plus two equals four.  And, collectivism compels participation by force, while voluntary community does not.

There is no rational debate to be made against this clear dichotomy.  It is truly amazing how some folks cannot seem to grasp the very obvious difference between collectivism and voluntary community; the same people that will likely still attempt to argue that collectivism and individualism are "not mutually exclusive" after reading this very article.

I certainly would never make the claim that most collectivists are intelligent...

The collectivist threat is not merely due to environmental factors alone. As the psychologist Carl Jung outlined in his collected papers titled “The Undiscovered Self,” at any given point in history at least 10% of the human population has inherent (but often latent) psychopathic tendencies. Less than 1% of these people will actually act out their full psychopathy under stable social conditions. However, in times of great distress or political and economic upheaval, the psychopathic 10% are given a kind of playground in which to let the devil out; Jung called this the “collective shadow.”

As I have explained in the past, these are the “useful idiots” within any society. They are the reason why there will never be a time now or in the future in which collectivist oppression will not be a potential threat, and why individualists will have to remain forever on guard. That said, they are only a part of the bigger problem. In almost every instance of mass tragedy or despotic government, an elitist minority pulls the strings of the useful idiots, aiming them like a shotgun at individualists in order to clear a path for total centralization. The elites are another horror altogether.

These are the men and women who EMBRACE their psychopathy. It is not latent or subconscious; it is a fully integrated and accepted part of their psychological life. They have found that psychopathy can be an effective tool for gaining power and influence when average people around them are less vigilant or less confrontational due to fear or apathy. And contrary to popular belief, psychopaths CONSTANTLY organize into effective working groups, some of them vast and global in scope, as long as there is the promise of mutual benefit involved.

This is not to say that they organize around “gain” alone. Elitists have their own pervasive ideology and their own rationalizations for seeking control of others.

They see themselves as “philosopher kings” as described in Plato’s 'Republic,' exemplary and “special” people who are born with the inherent genetic capacity to rule over the masses with the utmost clarity. They believe they know what is best not only for you, but for the human experiment in total. Their goal is to construct a sociopolitical apparatus that will allow them to have complete overreaching influence over every aspect of every individual life, up to and including the erasure of that life if they think it serves their ends.

"...You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you like it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner…” — George Bernard Shaw, Fabian socialist, from 'The Intelligent Woman’s Guide to Socialism and Capitalism'

 

"My conclusion is that a scientific society can be stable given certain conditions. The first of these is a single government of the whole world, possessing a monopoly of armed force and therefore able to enforce peace. The second condition is a general diffusion of prosperity, so that there is no occasion for envy of one part of the world by another. The third condition (which supposes the second fulfilled) is a low birth rate everywhere, so that the population of the world becomes stationary, or nearly so. The fourth condition is the provision for individual initiative both in work and in play, and the greatest diffusion of power compatible with maintaining the necessary political and economic framework.” Bertrand Russell, member of the Fabian Society, from 'The Impact Of Science On Society'(Note: Russell believed that individuals should be given at least the illusion of choice within minor aspects of society in order to maintain their willing participation.)

 

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. … [I]t remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons… It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world.” — Edward Bernays, father of modern propaganda, from 'Propaganda'

Elitists are rarely as open about their true intentions as the men quoted above. They often entice the public with fantastical promises if collectivist systems are supported, including: equality of wealth and prosperity; reduction of labor and increases in leisure time; incredible technological advances; universal education; universal healthcare; the end of nationalism, resulting in the end of war, resulting in infinite global peace; etc.

When they are not able to sell the public on a particular aspect of collectivism, they will create artificial divisions and artificial crises in order to engineer chaos. As per the Hegelian dialectic, when we are thoroughly tenderized by fear and disaster, the elites return to the scene with a “solution” to their original crime, a solution that usually involves more collectivism.

So how do individualists fight back against collectivism, elitists and the useful idiots they exploit? Here are some practical strategies that anyone can employ in his daily life.

Stop Participating In False Paradigms

Yes, in the everyday world there are leftists and right wingers, liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats. People subscribe to particular ideologies and philosophies backed by fundamental differences in belief. These divisions between regular people are indeed real. However, it is important to realize that at the gatekeeper level in these systems, the leadership in both parties subscribe to the same goals. They are not divided. They are part of the elitist structure. And while their rhetoric differs cosmetically, in policy and in action they will always work to destroy individual liberty and promote collectivism, whether they claim to be on the right or the left.

This reality also applies to supposed conflicts between nations. If two nations appear to be at odds with each other, yet the leadership of each nation remains in league with the same international elitists (bankers, Fabians, globalists, etc.), then their conflict is a sham designed as theater for the masses.

Refuse to participate in false paradigms. Point out the inconsistencies of BOTH parties or sides and identify how each works against individualism and toward collectivism. Do not affiliate with any group or institution that has a demonstrated history of antagonism towards individual freedom or that partners with known collectivist (globalist) organizations and frontmen. If you are going to fight for any side, make sure it truly represents liberty through its actions and associations.  Rhetoric is meaningless.

Decouple From Dependency On Corrupt Systems

As our economic situation becomes more and more dire, people are much more apt to become dependent on the system for survival, and this is an intentional result. I would not expect, for example, that the 94 million people in the U.S. who have been unemployed for so long they are no longer counted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics should refrain from government aid or cut themselves off from welfare measures and become immediately self-reliant. They should, however, consider working toward that goal over time; and so should everyone else.

This is not quite as impossible as it seems. Can you produce or repair items that act as survival necessities? Can you teach a necessary skill? If so, then you are already well on your way to independence. Once you have a necessary skill, trade is possible outside the controlled economic framework. The more individuals involved in an alternative economy, the more diversity of skill sets will be available and the more prosperous that voluntary community will become.

The ultimate achievement in my view would be similar in aspects to the American agrarian models of the past with the integration of helpful technology: completely voluntary communities in which free trade is the foundation; the existence of grid water and grid power is unnecessary; food production is local and ample rather than reliant on national or international freight systems and the artificial scarcity of corporate farming models; and security is provided by each individual for himself, as well as for the community, through voluntary neighborhood watches or militias.

All of this starts with each individual taking action to become a producer, rather than a wage slave or welfare slave.

Organize Locally With People Of Like Mind

Again, organizing voluntarily is counter to collectivism.  Collectivist systems cannot be defeated unless you are willing to establish a competing model that works better while maintaining freedom. This is not hard to do, considering collectivist models are failure-driven machines that devour people and use them as fuel to move society as a whole towards a “greater good” which is neither great nor good.

As outlined above, independent localism is the answer. It is a voluntary structure that encourages self-reliance and preparedness, while making production and innovation the mainstays of a healthy society. It rewards personal success and achievement, rather than punishing it. And, it helps a larger percentage of wealth to keep cycling locally, rather than being siphoned out of communities by governments or government-chartered and protected corporations.

Localism always starts small, with families, friends and neighbors. But as your organization continues to make life better for those involved, it will inevitably attract more participants.  The redundancy of localized economies would also protect people from economic collapse.  In fact, without the forced interdependency of centralized collectivist economic models, large scale financial crises would probably become a thing of the past.

Educate Children Privately

I’ve been saying it a lot lately, and I’ll say it again: Public schooling as it stands today is an apparatus for brainwashing, nothing more. With the dismal world ranking of U.S. students in math, science and reading, I hardly see what service public education is actually performing in America. The only service public schools do seem to excel at is indoctrination, with children now being immersed in collectivist lessons through Common Core and being conditioned into pacifism and fear through insane zero-tolerance policies.

The only working solutions available for parents today are to decouple from the federally dominated public school system and place their children in a well-vetted private school or to home-school. Any sacrifice, financial or otherwise, is worth it to save American children from a vicious system of propaganda and conditioning that could conceivably suppress their individualism and warp them into collectivist monsters.

Arm And Train For Self-Defense

I think it should be pretty obvious that there is a simple reason behind the collectivist habit of attempting to disarm common people: Armed people are harder to manage or control.  If an armed population was not a threat to collectivists then they would not keep trying to disarm everyone. Therefore, if you are not armed and trained in self-defense, then you are not a threat to collectivists.

You can be the most brilliant of thinkers with pristine logic and truth on your side; but without the means and ability to destroy an attacker or tyrant, you are nothing in the grand scheme. Intellectual warriors are not really warriors. And as a writer, I will say in all honesty that the threat of the pen is not mightier than the threat of the sword.

Keep in mind, though, that it is not enough to merely purchase a firearm or shoot at the range. Team tactics and training are essential for free people, which is why they are so admonished by collectivist elements in our society. Train with friends and family or with your Community Preparedness Team, as I do through Oath Keepers; but learn tactical methodologies and how to fight with others. Present a viable danger to collectivists, or be subsumed by them.

Remove The Elitist Hierarchy

Eventually, the fight between individualism and collectivism will become physical rather than informational. There is no way around it. The more individuals begin to decouple from the corrupt system and construct their own alternative framework, the more violent collectivists will turn in response. The virtue of self-defense requires that tyrants be cut off from their means to project violence onto others.

While it is impossible to stop the inherent nature of psychopathy other than to participate in communities where psychopaths are not welcome or encouraged, there is the matter of organized elitism to deal with.

Any fight for freedom from collectivists will require the removal of command and control. This is the only way that humanity can be given breathing room to rebuild without remaining under constant preplanned threat. There are, in fact, many organizations that openly work toward collectivist oligarchy, from central banks (this means central bankers in ALL nations, not just in the West), to the Council On Foreign Relations, to Tavistock, to the Rand Corporation, to the International Monetary Fund or the Bank for International Settlements, to Bilderberg, to the Fabian Society, etc. These institutions need to be dismantled by any means necessary and the participants removed from positions of control. Make no mistake; it will take a war before such people give up the reins of power. This is the inevitable cost of individualism and the inevitable cost of freedom.

 

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Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:37 | 6780458 Macchendra
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Collectivism is the only means of fighting back against the banksterism.  Still, there's no need to get .gov involved...  We can organize as consumers and vote with our dollars.  100% free market.  No guns.  Fuck us and you won't be able to buy or sell.

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:43 | 6780475 TeamDepends
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Better yet, stop consuming and start producing. And never surrender your guns.

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:58 | 6780529 Tyrone Shoelaces
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What guns?

 

:-)

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:16 | 6780590 0b1knob
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Boating accident?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:56 | 6780718 zaphod
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It was really unfortunate, lost all of my Au in the accident as well

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:53 | 6780811 Keyser
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Any attempt to take out the command and control mechanism would be viewed as an act of terrorism by the dictators in control... Which is exactly what they have prepping the populace to believe through their MSM psyops... If the psyops dont' work, they just rig all the elections and suppress the opposition... Turkey is a good example...  Any more smart ideas? 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:54 | 6781186 Silver Shield
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Yup Alex Jones and now Brandon Smith are putting the poison pill of violence into the truth movement.

They are either fools or tools of the state looking to cook up domestic terror like all of those fake Muslim FBI terror plots.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:08 | 6781551 HopefulCynical
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Collectivism is the only means of fighting back against the banksterism.

WHAT?! Collectivism IS banksterism! Nathan Rothschild bankrolled Kark Marx (his 3rd cousin) while Marx wrote his filthy little red book.

INTERDEPENDENCE and VOLUNTARY association of like-minded individuals, coupled with self-imposed personal responsibility, is the path to true and lasting freedom.

Collectivism is for ants.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:10 | 6781558 Macchendra
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No guns as in no .gov guns.  Take the bullets and government out of regulation.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:29 | 6782339 Billy the Poet
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Collectivism is the only means of fighting back against the banksterism.

 

The Ten Planks of the 
Communist Manifesto
1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx

 

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 23:16 | 6785091 mkkby
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Hey Brandon, you fire breathing faggot.  Go ahead and fire the first shot to remove those elitists.  I'll be watching from behind that tree.  Fucking chicken hawk.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:20 | 6782929 White Mountains
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Silver Shield about your comment....

You sir, are a liar about Alex.  Liar, Liar, pants on fire. 

He DOES NOT advocate violence.  Of course, you will show me clips taken out of context to support your lie.  This is what collectivists do you sack-o-sh@t.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 07:46 | 6785743 Silver Shield
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Yeah so his calls for Revolution on Pierce Morgan was about smoking a peace pipe?

Or his rants about the solution to 1984 is 1776 is just about a historical reenactment?

Or his hysterical hype about Jade Helm is an invasion of Texas to round up dissidents is just a peaceful meditative state?

It is easy to see the CIA radicalize get Muslims but when it comes to the "truth" movement there will always be Alex's audience.

Come on fool, there is a war for your mind...

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:02 | 6781307 DanDaley
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Any attempt to take out the command and control mechanism would be viewed as an act of terrorism by the dictators in control...

 

Any act of breathing is now viewed as an act of terrorism.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:40 | 6781679 DollarMenu
Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:57 | 6781760 McCormick No. 9
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Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:56 | 6781769 McCormick No. 9
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...there are some people out there with severe reading comprehension issues... Finally, someone has noticed!

 I joined a local "partnership" group, in order to keep track of what the collectivists were doing. This "partnership" (gang), is entirely composed of Environmentalist NGO's and Federal Agencies. The NGO's are entirely corporate, and represent the worst industrial polluters on the planet, as well as some of the most criminal of the Wall Street elite. The irony is toxic, but not as toxic as the perpetual atmosphere of disingenuity, subtext, and Doublespeak that pervades the meetings of this group.

The meetings are "facilitated" (controlled) by a female university professor. At every meeting, she puts up a poster of all the PC rules that must be adhered to, so that everyone sees them. (Once, parents taught their children the basics of polite behavior, but now, these standards are no longer taught, and the universities must post their perverted versions of the same.) This facilitator telephones the participants before each meeting and asks them what they are going to talk about. Then she confabulates with the main representatives of the NGO's in order to deflect any potential opposition to the main objectives of the NGO's. This is entirely corrupt.

The "partnership" is a ghost organization. By that I mean that it is not a formal group with non-profit status, or any other legal status. Yet this group controls a budget of almost 2 million dollars. It does this by laundering corporate "foundation"money, from outfits lke WalMart and Uranium Mining concerns through cooperating 501c3 NGO's, and, like a virus, coopting the budgetary apparatus of the Federal Agencies. If an Agency has a discretionary budget, say fisheries, the Agency rep will go to the meeting and say, "We have 80,000 we can contribute." Then the "partnership" will make decisions on how that Agency money will be spent, and the Agency will spend the money exactly how the "partnership" tells it to.

The power of this collectivist group is deep, hard to attack, and frightening. They hold their meetings on weekdays during working hours. All the various individuals who attend, save for yours truly, are paid to be there. I have to give up work (and thus $$$) to attend. Their mission is to destroy the ability of working famiies to make a iving from the land. It is as simple as that.

I try to tell others in my community that they need to show up, but they don't. They are too busy working, or they have a natural aversion to meeting politely with their enemies, or they are just apathetic or pre-occupied with their own lives/problems.

I have a personal religious and conscientious duty to be non-violent. However, I fully support the natural right of all men to defend themselves, their families, and their property with any means neccesary. If more individuals went to these meetings and spoke out, the collectivists would be stopped. But if my neighbors wait too long, they will find they must resort to guns in order to save what is theirs. Armed men of principle can avoid violence if they stand up and say "no" when they can, long before they must. Alas, normalcy bias will prevent this.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 11:53 | 6782093 teslaberry
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this was one of the most interesting comment posts in a long time. 

the thing is, americans have been dumbed down, entertained down, drugged down, and deprived of their entitlement to their family dominion . 

 

so many factors distracting and polluting their already fragile minds that they are a disorganized mess of the masses as always the masses are. 

the reason things always boil up to violence is because small organized well funded minorities will ALWYAS by nature be more capapble of non-violent planning to steal and co-opt resources of the disorganized majority to their own ends. 

by the time things get out of hand, like you said, it's too late for civilized action and it boils up to violence. 

 

this is a very obvious reality and the author of this article is being very forward and honest when he says the pen being mightier than the sword is horseshit. look at history. it is made of revolutions that succeed and the many many many of them that don't. 

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:20 | 6780828 runningman18
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Organizing voluntarily is not collectivism.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:55 | 6781187 petolo
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I have given up on the 10% and the remaining 88%. They are shiftless hedonist who wouldn't recognise freedom if given to them on a platter. A well furnished zoo with plenty of greasy food, round the clock commercial television, drugs, sex and lots of sleep constitutes their freedom. Work, think and live by your principles and ready to join or assist the the escapees from the zoo. Likewise, accept the help and advice from those that respect your freedom. Work, love and knowledge are the wellsprings of life; they should also govern it.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:20 | 6781365 Analog
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@ petolo They are shiftless hedonist who wouldn't recognise freedom if given to them on a platter. A well furnished zoo with plenty of greasy food, round the clock commercial television, drugs, sex and lots of sleep constitutes their freedom. Work, think

Freedom requires working and thinking - "they", your 88%, don't want that, they do want the freedom to mentally and physically consume a variety of crap, the more the better.

This is the only way that humanity can be given breathing room to rebuild without remaining under constant preplanned threat.

Anybody who thinks "rebuilding" the USA is possible lives a nice, ignorant life.  For those who think there will be a total collapse and rebuilding, remember there will never be another iron age, bronze age ... all the easy-to-mine resources are used up.  Rebuilding will mean a life of tools made with rocks and sticks.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:34 | 6782369 Billy the Poet
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Have you considered the possiblity than rather than you being a real smart guy and everyone else bing schnucks that in reality things are the other way around?

People have enough sense to follow good leaders when given the chance to do so. The choice must be voluntary unlike the present system which locks in bad leaders selected by elites for years on end. The post collapse world is going to be glorious barring any nuclear exchanges or meltdowns. 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:25 | 6781383 SelfGov
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Yes it is.

This neo-libertarian bullshit is exactly that, bullshit.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:36 | 6782381 Billy the Poet
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As you are named "SelfGov," I'll assume that you think the author hasn't gone far enough. Anarchy works for me too.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:32 | 6780871 Ace006
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I do believe you missed the point entirely.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:20 | 6781366 1033eruth
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LOOKIE Here, critical thinking is in short supply once again.  As I type 45 down votes because they think collectivisim is an evil word like communism.  Critical in short supply because in this country MAJORITY RULES.  Nothing is going to change that unless we have a complete reset AND majority rules is discarded.

Critical thinking in VERY SHORT SUPPLY because collectivism is how the Mormons, Latinos and Muslims conquer.  Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.  They come and COLLECT, then vote for their own kind.  You KNOW that's how Sharia Law is going to be implemented.  And yet we have 45 down votes thinking its evil.  

Patriots in America also short on the critical thinking.  They REFUSE to collect so they can form a majority.  If any state gave the FEDERAL government the finger and seceded, the patriots would probably flock there, depending on who and what was leading the charge.  

And if I "insult" you and say critical thinking is absent here on ZH, you will dig in and be even more against the idea, that you can't enact any change until you form a majority.  Majority rules is as basic here in the US as death and taxes.
Collectivism is only another word for MAJORITY RULES.  United we stand, divided we fall.  The people that still love freedom and liberty are too scattered to form a majority ANYWHERE.    

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:18 | 6781588 HopefulCynical
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Majority rule = mob rule.

No thanks. I put up with that shit in K-12. Fuck the ruling clique.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 11:28 | 6781953 1033eruth
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That's what you are living under asshole.  Tell me how you can say no thanks to it?  Tell me your program for avoiding it or not participating.  I look forward to your answer which should be an epiphany for all.   A complete revelation I'm sure.  

"Fuck the ruling clique" huh?  And how have you advanced your freedom under that philosophy?  Everyone wants to know...well, excluding the statists/liberals/progressives in any case.

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:40 | 6782400 Billy the Poet
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 Tell me your program for avoiding it or not participating.

 

The first step is to accept the fact that you own yourself and the second step is to stop insisting that you can never, ever improve your situation in life. The specifics become more difficult to determine off the cuff because there are seven billion people on the planet, each with his own right to self determination. Only a collectivist would assume to speak for them,  claim to know what they would do in a given circumstance and what is best for them.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:04 | 6782185 teslaberry
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you have some obviously important points, but it's not really the 'majority' ruling. what you mean to say is that you need a lot of people on the same page to form a movement. 

there is something to your point that people on zh can be thickheaded in not accepting this as an an obvious point  but i think you couched it in the wrong language for them to get your point. 

 

there are for sure a lot of stubborn folks on the zh comment boards as well as plenty of trolls of all sorts. 

the fact that some people think this article is trolling the liberty movement to 'inject violence' into it is kind of proof of this foolishness. the article is observing some plain realities and in doing so , can ruffle some feathers. 

 

that said, your desire for people to 'collect' is difficult to entertain because as you well know , liberty isn't really about collective action , it's about a response to tyranny. so , you sort of have to wait for things to get really really bad for there to even be a remote possibility that liberty minded people 'collect'. 

a good example is the long time latent and somewhat ineffective movement of people to live in new hampshire, who are 'liberty minded'. 

kelly ayotte is senator. those liberty minded nh folks either don't care to vote or are just not really that 'collected'. either way you can also look at it as a way of 'ghettoizing' . ghettos can be incubators for movements or they can be death camps for rounding up groups to be exterminated when the time comes..............

 

nothing is ever for certain........

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:39 | 6780466 LetThemEatRand
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"the definition of collectivism requires the prioritization of the group over the rights of the individual.  Collectivism by its very nature denies or destroys individualism and individual choice in this prioritization."

Great 8th grade ideological statement.  Individualism sometimes requires individuals getting together and fighting for a common cause (collectivism).  Never in human history have individuals been able to be free without fighting off the assholes that would rule them.  Currently, that means collective rejection of corrupted elected government.  In the past, it meant collective action to form elected government to prevent slavery from Kings and Queens.  

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:32 | 6780651 Bananamerican
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for the sake of argument...Let's keep Collectivist™ as a perjorative ok?

...and use something like "alliance" or 'collaborative effort' otherwise....right?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:34 | 6780781 The best Sun
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All governments suffer a recurring problem. Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:41 | 6780787 LetThemEatRand
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Yeah, the whole drunk on power and pathological thing existed before elected government.   Ask King _____, Queen _________, Prince _________, Pharoah _______, Pope________, etc.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:45 | 6780800 The best Sun
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Yep, but I didn't qualify MY statement with the word "elected" so.......we agree.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:02 | 6780824 LetThemEatRand
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No, we don't.  Kings did not ask permission and did not care much about free markets, but they ruled anyway.  Anyone who thinks human beings will just get along if we don't organize against these fuckers is a fucking idiot.  

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:11 | 6780841 The best Sun
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Do elected governments ask permission?

As to organizing against "these fuckers" I don't see any disagreement with that in my statements.

I am organized against them. How you doin' in that regard?

Attracting attention at online forums helping you out any?

Acting as a magnet for the identification of dissenters floating your boat?

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:15 | 6780845 LetThemEatRand
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"Attracting attention at online forums helping you out any?"

I don't know pot.  Is the kettle black?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:28 | 6780866 The best Sun
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So much angry frustration! Understandable I suppose.

Did I attract your attention or just your attacks?

Attention implies you are taking notice.

I see little sign of that from you.

Ultimatley , you know all the answers because you want to believe you know them.

Answers are a perilous grip on the universe.

They can appear sensible yet explain nothing.

Like you.

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:39 | 6780886 LetThemEatRand
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Yes.  The kettle is black.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 03:36 | 6780951 The best Sun
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The pot is just smarter than the kettle.

Fixed.

Now go and fight the collectivists by forming a collective.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:59 | 6781782 HopefulCynical
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I have to tack this comment on to the end of your argument to say: +1000 for using one of my all time favorite quotes. That Frank Herbert quote reorganized the way I looked at life when I first read it thirty years ago. And it's utterly true. The more powerful the government, the more attractive it becomes to pathological personalities. This is why the government can NOT be given one more iota of power than it absolutely needs to keep the barbarians from pillaging the general populace.

And on the "other side" of the political spectrum, the GOP fundies, this quote comes into play:

“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's too late.”

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 03:29 | 6780959 stacking12321
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hey LTER, brandon smith has a message for you:

 

"

I'll say it again because there are some people out there with severe reading comprehension issues; the definition of collectivism requires the prioritization of the group over the rights of the individual.  Collectivism by its very nature denies or destroys individualism and individual choice in this prioritization.  Collectivism therefore requires the engineered organization of individuals predicated by COERCION, or force.  Period.  If a group organizes voluntarily, then it is NOT collectivist.  If a group is organized through force and manipulation, then it IS collectivist. Period.  Bananas are yellow.  Oranges are orange.  The sky is blue.  Two plus two equals four.  And, collectivism compels participation by force, while voluntary community does not.

There is no rational debate to be made against this clear dichotomy.  It is truly amazing how some folks cannot seem to grasp the very obvious difference between collectivism and voluntary community; the same people that will likely still attempt to argue that collectivism and individualism are "not mutually exclusive" after reading this very article."

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:45 | 6781011 Memedada
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It is not new – actually more the norm – that corporate propagandists redefine core-concepts to fit into their world-view. That collectivism is coercive by definition is false. There’re vertical collectivism (as in an army, a corporation, a monarchy etc.) or horizontal collectivism (as in a group of equals – friends, family, a syndicate, voluntary groups/associations, communities etc.). The former version is based on (indirect or direct) coercion and the latter is not.

The focus on ‘individualism’ in TPTB propaganda-effort is not new either, as anarchist Emma Goldman wrote:

“'rugged individualism'... is only a masked attempt to repress and defeat the individual and his individuality. So-called Individualism is the social and economic laissez-faire: the exploitation of the masses by the [ruling] classes by means of legal trickery, spiritual debasement and systematic indoctrination of the servile spirit ... That corrupt and perverse 'individualism' is the straitjacket of individuality. ... [It] has inevitably resulted in the greatest modern slavery, the crassest class distinctions driving millions to the breadline. 'Rugged individualism' has meant all the 'individualism' for the masters, while the people are regimented into a slave caste to serve a handful of self-seeking 'supermen.' ... Their 'rugged individualism' is simply one of the many pretenses the ruling class - makes to mask unbridled business and political extortion”.

- Red Emma Speaks

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:43 | 6781252 BigJim
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"Red" Emma makes a bunch of black-is-white assertions, without evidence or analysis, and we're supposed to be persuaded by her spiel?

[It] has inevitably resulted in the greatest modern slavery, the crassest class distinctions driving millions to the breadline.

Lulz, the two examples of "greatest modern slavery" were the USSR's communism and Germany's Fascism. Neither praised "individualism". Why do you post this tripe?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:08 | 6781042 Memedada
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PS.

Brandon Smith is a paid shill. He’s a tool.

I guess he gets his orders from the Hazard Masonic Lodge (he's a Freemason – a Master Mason, Hazard Masonic Lodge 676, Thirty Second Degree, Hazard Shrine Club 320).

That he is a Republican is also telling (as it would have been if he was a Democrat – and it would tell the same store: he’s a happy eater of the blue pill).

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:17 | 6781091 runningman18
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Evidence?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:40 | 6781163 Memedada
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http://votesmart.org/candidate/biography/34928/brandon-smith

Under "Religious, Civic, and other Meberships".

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:58 | 6781183 runningman18
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You dummy, the Brandon Smith that wrote this article is not a legislator in Kentucky, he lives in Montana. 

https://www.oathkeepers.org/oath-keepers-cpt-journal-eureka-montana-febr...

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:09 | 6781210 Colonel
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Lol

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:50 | 6781258 DeadFred
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What! More than one Smith with the same first name? Who could have seen that one coming? I did find it interesting that one could be a 32nd degree Mason AND a session member of the Presbyterian Church so thanks for the bio even if it's the wrong guy.

Lower level Masons may think they're in a social club but by the 32nd level you know you are not following the same god as John Knox did.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:53 | 6781284 FrankDrakman
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You have to forgive memedata. "Brandon Smith" is such a unique name, he can be excused for thinking there is only one in the entire world. 

Now, if the author's first name was "Bort" instead of "Brandon", there'd be no such confusion. 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:00 | 6781128 new game
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we all belong to some club(thanks). my club is over your head if you won't be an individual.

individualism. maybe that is why i'm different and have been told so.

see, we all want to get along and comply-NOT!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:07 | 6781135 nmewn
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I've known (and know) a few Mason's and every one of them are good & decent men. I find it hard to believe they lead a completely separate life sacrificing orphan children under a full moon and drinking their blood or whatever you're trying to say...lol.

One of them conducts youth hunts promoting gun safety, his son is on a travel ball team that he coaches. Another was a WWII vet who hated jooo's with every fiber of his being (he had his reasons) but still overall a good & decent man. Another is a regular church goer, no kids but again a man of good character. 

The WWII vet was a democrat, the other two republicans.

Is there some other asinine point you're trying to make?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:57 | 6781188 Silver Shield
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He is a fool or a tool.

Provocateur much?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:32 | 6781408 Cloud9.5
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It never ceases to amaze me how people are seduced by people who claim to have esoteric knowledge about the inner workings of Free Masons.  Consider this: anyone who purports to have this secrete knowledge is one of two things.  He is either a man who has broken his sacred oath or he is a liar that has constructed his purported knowledge out of a fiction designed to do nothing more than aggrandize himself and make himself appear to be some holder of some secret knowledge.  Either way, he is a man who would not keep his word or he is a liar. Whichever he is, he is not to be trusted.

 

If you want to find out about Free Masonry join a lodge.  If you are a man who is considered to be upstanding, moral and honest, by your peers, you will get the opportunity to learn the innermost workings of our secret society.

 

 

D. Cloud. Past Master 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:42 | 6780892 Ace006
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Organized effort is nice. Individual action can be effective, esp. at choke points. Withdrawal of support can also be v. effective. The psychopaths also have normalcy bias but are as vulnerable as the rest of us when our just-in-time economy falters or hiccups.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:01 | 6780985 A Nanny Moose
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Orgainzing against "those fuckers" is how we got here. French Revolution, Amerikan Revolution, Bolshevik Revolution. Violent overthrows of one master simply produces a whole new master, who is worse than the previous master.

It is the fallacy that might makes right.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:37 | 6781112 runningman18
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Depends on the context.  Might does make right in self defense, and organizing voluntarily in self defense is sometimes necesssary.  The American Revolution was perfectly justified.  We failed the founding fathers, they did not fail us.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:53 | 6781281 Alvin Fernald
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The founding fathers failed with that constitutional convention(coup) and the resulting constitution.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:40 | 6781117 css1971
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Violent overthrows of one master simply produces a whole new master, who is worse than the previous master.

So, you believe that the situation we have today is far worse than the absolute rule of kings?

I rather think we've come quite a long way, replacing kings with rules ; the rule of law. Certainly the rules can be abused and subverted and when they are, the purpose of revolution should be to correct that imbalance.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:58 | 6781291 Alvin Fernald
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The situation is just as bad or worse than under any king. The pres now claims the ability to kill anyone, anytime, for any reason. Your rules do nothing except bind you.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:05 | 6781086 Billy the Poet
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 Anyone who thinks human beings will just get along if we don't organize against these fuckers is a fucking idiot. 

 

And how big of an idiot does one have to be to demand that an elite class with guns must tell you how to live your life? How exactly does making a collective demand to be controlled by a small group of violent people constitute an effort to not be controlled by a small group of violent people?

And as  the premiere advocate for organizing through elected government will you be voting for Trump, Clinton, Carson or Sanders? Those are the choices you have allowed yourself.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:48 | 6780806 The best Sun
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Democratic elections are a farce in our times. They are just mob rule with no contest of ideas. Comes from the madness of herds. The majority is always insane.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:02 | 6781034 Billy the Poet
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Yeah, the whole drunk on power and pathological thing existed before elected government

 

Thu, 11/05/2015 - 00:09 | 6752434 LetThemEatRand
Vote up!

3 Vote down!

-5

 our two team system is completely corrupt and that I no longer vote for that reason.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:52 | 6781182 Slomotrainwreck
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Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence

 

True Dat

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:40 | 6781160 assistedliving
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looks like poor Brandon got whacked when the collective sold out his position

bad collective...worse position

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:23 | 6781376 1033eruth
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What do you have against synonyms?  Why because collectivist sounds communist?  He posted the definition.  People should be able to operate from that.  What the hell do you think "majority rules" means?  Does that sound more "AMERICAN" to you?  

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:39 | 6780667 Raymond_K._Hessel
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largely agree but thinking in binaries is generally a great way to think without vital nuance.

'All movements go too far'.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:40 | 6780671 r00t61
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You write a lot for someone that can't read.

"If a group organizes voluntarily, then it is NOT collectivist."

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:01 | 6780695 LetThemEatRand
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Ah, yes.  That is what the oligarchs have told you, yes?  

Let me ask you to explain the difference between a group organizing for the benefit of the individuals in the group, and the individuals organizing for the benefit of the group.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:51 | 6780808 Talleyrand
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Sophistry

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:52 | 6781026 Memedada
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Wrong.

Collectivism have always been defined as two – very different – types: a horizontal (among equals) and a vertical (what you – and the corporate PTB – see as the only version of collectivism) with some kind of hierarchical structure (like an army or privately owned corporation).

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:47 | 6780900 Ace006
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Collectivism - for the benefit of the controllers of the group. Individuals forced to participate. Leaders determine purpose and actions of the group.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:06 | 6781038 Billy the Poet
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LTER doesn't respond well to rational arguments. He desperately needs to believe in the efficacy of kowtowing to a system which even he acknowledges is corrupt. It's a strange affliction.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:57 | 6780723 zaphod
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This difference of course is like minded invidivuals banding together to stand up for what they willingly believe in vs. groups of people being forced into a common action by the collective

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:32 | 6780776 LetThemEatRand
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The difference of course is the blue sky versus the sky that is blue.  One is forced to be blue.  The other is blue because it wants to be.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:54 | 6780813 The best Sun
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Corruption wears infinite disguises.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:14 | 6781089 runningman18
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Except, no one can force the sky to be blue, but you can force people into participation in a collective, which is the defining feature of collectivism.  See the difference between people and sky?  It's truly amazing when you think about it...

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 11:16 | 6781888 1033eruth
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Then democracy is a "collective" because you are FORCED to do whatever the majority wants.  I don't see a massive negative connotatioin being attributed to democracy on ZH.  Why not?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:57 | 6785048 runningman18
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Who is giving democracy a positive connotation on zero hedge?  Most of us believe in the model of Constitutional Republic, not Democracy.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:01 | 6781196 Silver Shield
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Any collective effort will be infiltrated, subverted and destroyed.

You cannot solve a problem with the same consciousness that created the problem. - Carl Jung.

You cannot solve an unconscious collectivist problems with more collectivism.

You cannot solve psychopathy with more psychopathy.

You cannot solve violence with more violence.

Of course Brandon is smart enough to get this so he must be a government provocateur.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:13 | 6781217 herkomilchen
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You cannot solve violence with more violence.

I think you meant to say: you cannot solve aggression with more aggression.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:02 | 6781306 Calmyourself
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Really, crack a book Herk, crack a book..

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 11:38 | 6782004 1033eruth
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Then you are doomed to simply try to survive the fallout of the collapse on an individual basis.  

This entire thread sucks because its an argument about what the word "collective" means.  WE cannot even get a consensus on what "collective" means on ZH.  Extrapolating from that it means people will never unite or here comes that evil word again, "COLLECT" to form an opposing or for that matter an association designed to survive the mayhem and bedlam of collapse.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 23:00 | 6785053 runningman18
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Your chain of logic is faulty.  He never claimed that "more collectivism" is the answer.  He said the opposite.  And, Jung was not referring to self defense in that quote; you are applying it out of context.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:06 | 6780830 runningman18
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Getting together voluntarily is not collectivism.  Collectivism requires force or coercion.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:46 | 6781022 Memedada
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True, if you (uncritically) accepts the definition of collectivism as provided by your masters.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:10 | 6781044 Billy the Poet
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Curse you, evil dictionary!

 

 

Full Definition of COLLECTIVISM 1 :  a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also :  a system marked by such control 2 :  emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity
Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:38 | 6781159 Memedada
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OK, if Google is your ’truth’, then this is just as valid (from Wikipedia):

“Collectivism can be divided into horizontal collectivism and vertical collectivism. Horizontal collectivism stresses collective decision-making among relatively equal individuals, and is thus usually based on decentralization. Vertical collectivism is based on hierarchical structures of power and on moral and cultural conformity, and is therefore based on centralization. A cooperative enterprise would be an example of horizontal collectivism, whereas a military hierarchy would be an example of vertical collectivism”

What is your source (my guess is some privately controlled ‘first hit’ on Google source)?

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:00 | 6781300 FrankDrakman
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er.. quoting wikipedia as an authoritative source? Why don't you find out who wrote and sourced the wiki article? Because I've never heard those two BS definitions tossed around before, and if there's such a difference between "horizontal" and "vertical" collectivism, then "collectivism" by itself as a noun is meaningless. 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 12:26 | 6782282 Billy the Poet
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OK, if Google is your ’truth’, then this is just as valid (from Wikipedia):

 

You can find Merriam-Webster on Google but they are not the same thing. Just another problem you have in the perceiving reality department.

 

Horizontal collectivism stresses collective decision-making among relatively equal individuals, and is thus usually based on decentralization.

 

Who decides who your peers are? And do you really have any peers when determining the most important aspects of your life? It's still tyranny if you must choose a school, a career, medical treatment or a retirement plan based on the decision of a council of your so called peers. People have a right to make their own choices and not simply accept the whims of the group. Every individual owns his own body.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:10 | 6781087 runningman18
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Yes, I guess we could just abandon the evil dictionary and all of the English language. It must be a conspiracy every time the definition of a word does not support our preconceived biases.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:12 | 6781138 bigkahuna
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That depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:39 | 6781074 Ghostbusters
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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=collective&allowed_in_frame=0

It appears the statists or populists or demagogue-worshippers or collectivists have claimed the word and not for the better. Rather than argue semantics, classic divide-and-conquer technique, let's talk ideas and solutions. It is only the quasi- or pseudo-intellectual who gets caught up in the words. Collectivism today is pure demagoguery at the indiviual's expense and we need to uplift and empower the individual who has suffered decades of statist programming.  Voluntary militias who with their collective read combined force were powerful before and the can be again but they are not statist nor collectivist as there is no force or future obligation.  The problem is that before voluntarism is possible weneed to undo and unteach decades of statist, welfare-state, collectivist, marxist, or socialist/communist indoctrination and the attention-whore $JW's will not go quietly into the individualist's night as they have no mettle and depend on the mindless coddling n psychotic reinforcement of the nanny state.  Onward with our own re-education. LTERand, get in line.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:01 | 6781304 Calmyourself
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LTER try inserting the word voluntary in that and it won't sound like a Fabian slipping in collectivism as a good.. 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:43 | 6781455 Jerome Lester H...
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What you described is voluntary association. It is only Collectivism if it is association by force.

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:40 | 6780468 Sinnedi
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I will have to die before I become a collectivist. I will fight for the right to be not brainwashed. Also

it is for this event

ww3

 

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:35 | 6780658 Raymond_K._Hessel
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Agree in part but the pike letters are a fraud and even if they werent / what causes wars are the warmongers now.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:48 | 6781023 Memedada
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True - and funny how a person who 'refuses' to be brainwashed uses false sources...

And buys the corporate definition of collectivism.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:18 | 6781060 Billy the Poet
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A man who makes up his own definitions for commonly understood words brainwashes himself.

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:45 | 6780479 Wow72
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Thats exactly where we are as a country at the moment, great read.  I feel like an individualist thats been encroached on from all sides.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:06 | 6780565 What you talkin...
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or a nice healthy ganga leaf infested with spider mikes.  yo know you have to kill the mites to make the plant strong again?

 

Spidermitelivesmatter# 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:11 | 6780576 uhland62
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I have always been an individualist but it can get a little lonely sometimes. I never even had a peer group when I was young and later ... no, not really. What you achieve as an individual, not so sure, but there are still people out there who are swayed by facts and haven't been Kardashianized. So - one keeps plotting along.

As half outlined in a lot of words up there, living in a religion-free zone is probably a very good start. One woman from the audience commented on Carson 'he's a god fearing man'. LoL, that would be a reson not to root for him.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:56 | 6781081 Billy the Poet
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Individualism and anti-social behavior are not the same thing.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:09 | 6781208 herkomilchen
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You can be an an individualist and spend 24/7 in the company of others, doing everything with groups.  Deferring to the wishes of others is still an act of individualsim if voluntarily chosen by you alone based on your values alone.

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:45 | 6780481 WTFUD
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Any late bed-wetting Serial Killing Individualist will inform you that Gorilla Duct Tape will cover most situations more than adequately . . . sorry wrong thread!

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:54 | 6780516 Niall Of The Ni...
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These institutions need to be dismantled by any means necessary and the participants removed from positions of control. Make no mistake; it will take a war before such people give up the reins of power.

Yes. Problem is, the bad guys have got the atomic weapons. And this is precisely why.

(You thought it was to defend the Fruited Plain from the Rooskys? The Soviets were in on the joke.

No sir---Uncle Sugar's nuclear arsenal was always intended for any southern state daft enough to give secession another try rather than submit to yet another social engineering experiment.)

 To our masters, we are only so many means to their ends and toys for their amusement. Once we become more trouble than we're worth even as slaves, they will think nothing about exterminating us. If they have to choose between rendering the planet incapable of supporting intelligent life and a fair trial, our masters will push the button without thinking about it twice.

Good luck with your "local and ample" food production then. Nothing worth eating will grow in a nuclear winter on cobalt-salted ground.

Wed, 11/11/2015 - 23:56 | 6780524 atomicwasted
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You first, Brandon.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:10 | 6780840 runningman18
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This guy has been sticking his neck out far more and for far longer than you probably ever will guy.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:50 | 6781180 Silver Shield
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That is because he is either a fool or a tool of the government trying to get the freedom movement to turn violent to justify their increased surveillance and deep state to turn the war on terror on domestic terrorism.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 11:23 | 6781936 1033eruth
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Sticking his neck out and going nowhere, just like everybody else.  Even his mission of education - GOING NOWHERE.

I defy you to identify any "voluntary" association of people that is making a difference on our way to complete tyranny.   

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:04 | 6781201 Silver Shield
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He is just a provocateur like Alex Jones or Adam Kokesh.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:05 | 6780556 Manipuflation
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You have to ride Brandon.  You have to ride or you will lose.  I will say this much, I own five cars/trucks, three motorcycles and a moped.  Well good for me....I guess.  Guns?  LOL  Yes.  Not short of ammo. 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:16 | 6780593 Jim in MN
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I haven't posted this here for a couple of years....always worth remembering (or learning):

http://www.aeinstein.org/nonviolentaction/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action/

This list of 198 forms of action was part of Gene Sharp's superb work 'The Methods of Nonviolent Action'.  Each can be documented as having been used with success in some historic setting.  Remember that 'nonviolent' does not mean 'without force'--some of these are extremely forceful. 

So, no one can say they didn't know what to do.....they just didn't do it. 

198 METHODS OF NONVIOLENT ACTION

Practitioners of nonviolent struggle have an entire arsenal of “nonviolent weapons” at their disposal. Listed below are 198 of them, classified into three broad categories: nonviolent protest and persuasion, noncooperation (social, economic, and political), and nonviolent intervention. A description and historical examples of each can be found in volume two of The Politics of Nonviolent Action, by Gene Sharp.

 

THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT PROTEST AND PERSUASION
Formal Statements
                    1. Public Speeches
                    2. Letters of opposition or support
                    3. Declarations by organizations and institutions
                    4. Signed public statements
                    5. Declarations of indictment and intention
                    6. Group or mass petitions

Communications with a Wider Audience
                    7. Slogans, caricatures, and symbols
                    8. Banners, posters, and displayed communications
                    9. Leaflets, pamphlets, and books
                    10. Newspapers and journals
                    11. Records, radio, and television
                    12. Skywriting and earthwriting

Group Representations
                    13. Deputations
                    14. Mock awards
                    15. Group lobbying
                    16. Picketing
                    17. Mock elections

Symbolic Public Acts
                    18. Displays of flags and symbolic colors
                    19. Wearing of symbols
                    20. Prayer and worship
                    21. Delivering symbolic objects
                    22. Protest disrobings
                    23. Destruction of own property
                    24. Symbolic lights
                    25. Displays of portraits
                    26. Paint as protest
                    27. New signs and names
                    28. Symbolic sounds
                    29. Symbolic reclamations
                    30. Rude gestures

Pressures on Individuals
                    31. “Haunting” officials
                    32. Taunting officials
                    33. Fraternization
                    34. Vigils

Drama and Music
                    35. Humorous skits and pranks
                    36. Performances of plays and music
                    37. Singing

Processions
                    38. Marches
                    39. Parades
                    40. Religious processions
                    41. Pilgrimages
                    42. Motorcades

Honoring the Dead
                    43. Political mourning
                    44. Mock funerals
                    45. Demonstrative funerals
                    46. Homage at burial places

Public Assemblies
                    47. Assemblies of protest or support
                    48. Protest meetings
                    49. Camouflaged meetings of protest
                    50. Teach-ins

Withdrawal and Renunciation
                    51. Walk-outs
                    52. Silence
                    53. Renouncing honors
                    54. Turning one’s back

 

THE METHODS OF SOCIAL NONCOOPERATION

 

Ostracism of Persons
                    55. Social boycott
                    56. Selective social boycott
                    57. Lysistratic nonaction
                    58. Excommunication
                    59. Interdict

Noncooperation with Social Events, Customs, and Institutions
                    60. Suspension of social and sports activities
                    61. Boycott of social affairs
                    62. Student strike
                    63. Social disobedience
                    64. Withdrawal from social institutions

Withdrawal from the Social System
                    65. Stay-at-home
                    66. Total personal noncooperation
                    67. “Flight” of workers
                    68. Sanctuary
                    69. Collective disappearance
                    70. Protest emigration (hijrat)

 

THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOPERATION: ECONOMIC BOYCOTTS

 
Actions by Consumers
                    71. Consumers’ boycott
                    72. Nonconsumption of boycotted goods
                    73. Policy of austerity
                    74. Rent withholding
                    75. Refusal to rent
                    76. National consumers’ boycott
                    77. International consumers’ boycott

Action by Workers and Producers
                    78. Workmen’s boycott
                    79. Producers’ boycott

Action by Middlemen
                    80. Suppliers’ and handlers’ boycott

Action by Owners and Management
                    81. Traders’ boycott
                    82. Refusal to let or sell property
                    83. Lockout
                    84. Refusal of industrial assistance
                    85. Merchants’ “general strike”

Action by Holders of Financial Resources
                    86. Withdrawal of bank deposits
                    87. Refusal to pay fees, dues, and assessments
                    88. Refusal to pay debts or interest
                    89. Severance of funds and credit
                    90. Revenue refusal
                    91. Refusal of a government’s money

Action by Governments
                    92. Domestic embargo
                    93. Blacklisting of traders
                    94. International sellers’ embargo
                    95. International buyers’ embargo
                    96. International trade embargo

 

THE METHODS OF ECONOMIC NONCOOPERATION: THE STRIKE

 
Symbolic Strikes
                    97. Protest strike
                    98. Quickie walkout (lightning strike)

Agricultural Strikes
                    99. Peasant strike
                    100. Farm Workers’ strike

Strikes by Special Groups
                    101. Refusal of impressed labor
                    102. Prisoners’ strike
                    103. Craft strike
                    104. Professional strike

Ordinary Industrial Strikes
                    105. Establishment strike
                    106. Industry strike
                    107. Sympathetic strike

Restricted Strikes
                    108. Detailed strike
                    109. Bumper strike
                    110. Slowdown strike
                    111. Working-to-rule strike
                    112. Reporting “sick” (sick-in)
                    113. Strike by resignation
                    114. Limited strike
                    115. Selective strike

Multi-Industry Strikes

                    116. Generalized strike

                    117. General strike

Combination of Strikes and Economic Closures

                    118. Hartal

                    119. Economic shutdown

 

THE METHODS OF POLITICAL NONCOOPERATION

 
Rejection of Authority
                    120. Withholding or withdrawal of allegiance
                    121. Refusal of public support
                    122. Literature and speeches advocating resistance

Citizens’ Noncooperation with Government
                    123. Boycott of legislative bodies
                    124. Boycott of elections
                    125. Boycott of government employment and positions
                    126. Boycott of government depts., agencies, and other bodies
                    127. Withdrawal from government educational institutions
                    128. Boycott of government-supported organizations
                    129. Refusal of assistance to enforcement agents
                    130. Removal of own signs and placemarks
                    131. Refusal to accept appointed officials
                    132. Refusal to dissolve existing institutions

Citizens’ Alternatives to Obedience
                    133. Reluctant and slow compliance
                    134. Nonobedience in absence of direct supervision
                    135. Popular nonobedience
                    136. Disguised disobedience
                    137. Refusal of an assemblage or meeting to disperse
                    138. Sitdown
                    139. Noncooperation with conscription and deportation
                    140. Hiding, escape, and false identities
                    141. Civil disobedience of “illegitimate” laws

Action by Government Personnel
                    142. Selective refusal of assistance by government aides
                    143. Blocking of lines of command and information
                    144. Stalling and obstruction
                    145. General administrative noncooperation

                    146. Judicial noncooperation
                    147. Deliberate inefficiency and selective noncooperation by enforcement agents
                    148. Mutiny
Domestic Governmental Action
                    149. Quasi-legal evasions and delays
                    150. Noncooperation by constituent governmental units

International Governmental Action
                    151. Changes in diplomatic and other representations
                    152. Delay and cancellation of diplomatic events
                    153. Withholding of diplomatic recognition
                    154. Severance of diplomatic relations
                    155. Withdrawal from international organizations
                    156. Refusal of membership in international bodies
                    157. Expulsion from international organizations

 

THE METHODS OF NONVIOLENT INTERVENTION

 
Psychological Intervention
                    158. Self-exposure to the elements
                    159. The fast
                                        a) Fast of moral pressure
                                        b) Hunger strike
                                        c) Satyagrahic fast
                    160. Reverse trial
                    161. Nonviolent harassment

Physical Intervention
                    162. Sit-in
                    163. Stand-in
                    164. Ride-in
                    165. Wade-in
                    166. Mill-in
                    167. Pray-in
                    168. Nonviolent raids
                    169. Nonviolent air raids
                    170. Nonviolent invasion
                    171. Nonviolent interjection
                    172. Nonviolent obstruction
                    173. Nonviolent occupation

Social Intervention
                    174. Establishing new social patterns
                    175. Overloading of facilities
                    176. Stall-in
                    177. Speak-in
                    178. Guerrilla theater
                    179. Alternative social institutions
                    180. Alternative communication system

Economic Intervention
                    181. Reverse strike
                    182. Stay-in strike
                    183. Nonviolent land seizure
                    184. Defiance of blockades
                    185. Politically motivated counterfeiting
                    186. Preclusive purchasing
                    187. Seizure of assets
                    188. Dumping
                    189. Selective patronage
                    190. Alternative markets
                    191. Alternative transportation systems
                    192. Alternative economic institutions

Political Intervention
                    193. Overloading of administrative systems
                    194. Disclosing identities of secret agents
                    195. Seeking imprisonment
                    196. Civil disobedience of “neutral” laws
                    197. Work-on without collaboration
                    198. Dual sovereignty and parallel government

 

Without doubt, a large number of additional methods have already been used but have not been classified, and a multitude of additional methods will be invented in the future that have the characteristics of the three classes of methods: nonviolent protest and persuasion, noncooperation and nonviolent intervention.

It must be clearly understood that the greatest effectiveness is possible when individual methods to be used are selected to implement the previously adopted strategy. It is necessary to know what kind of pressures are to be used before one chooses the precise forms of action that will best apply those pressures.

 

[1] Boston: Porter Sargent, 1973 and later editions.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:57 | 6780724 USSLiberty
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Agree 100% People must be willing to loose their job, home, or be jailed for non-violent protest first. Violence is a last resort and only under proper leadership, not individual acts which do nothing.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:47 | 6781175 Silver Shield
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Brandon once again puts the poison pill into the Freedom movement, violence.

Only a fool or a tool of the government would promote such action. The government had used this effectively against young Muslim men for years and somehow Brandon thinks it will work? Come on!

This is also the same BS that Alex Jones is pushing with his "the solution to 1984 is 1776!"

I can guarantee anyone promoting violence and "taking out" command and control is either a fool or a tool.

The WORST thing for the freedom/truth movement is for some dumb shit to murder some asshole at the CFR.

The rest of the article is common sense but I see the poison pill and violence is antithetical to what Brandon proclaims about coercion, force and psychopathy.

The French Revolution showed that psychopaths thrive in such an environment and would only usher is far worse psychopaths and or strengthen the ones in power with a new rally cry against any "terrorist" with a Don't Tread On Me Sticker on his truck.

"Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them." -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:18 | 6780602 cherry picker
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Freedom has a cost, not with lives, but to respect the freedom of others.

It appears people can't do that as they are offended by the most idiotic meaningless things these days.

We can't mind our own business and love to pry into the lives of others.  The NSA and corporate intrusion into our privacy is just a reflection of the culture and the Kardashian/Jenner open lives story is proof of this.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:22 | 6780612 pocomotion
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I dug up my gun I burried 5 and 1/2 years ago just the other day.  It's rusted to hell.  What do I do?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:37 | 6780663 Bananamerican
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"use the Force Luke"

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:24 | 6780838 RevIdahoSpud3
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If said gun was buried directly in contact with soil then other than having been a stupid thing to do and deserving of the results there is something you may try. If said gun was buried in some fasion that there was protection from the soil such as having been wrapped in plastic and the plastic disintigrated or allowed moisture to contact the metal then this too was a stupid thing to do and deserving of the results but there is something you can try. If said gun was buried but had grease applied that limited the contact of moisture then it was still stupid but the damage will have been reduced.

What to try: Disassemble the gun to the extent possible especially with the removal of the wood parts if any, such as the stock or grips. Disassemble any metal parts that allow disassenbly.  Take metal  parts and in a container place parts and submerge in white vinegar. Submerge = all portions totally covered. Allow to stand 24-36 hours. Remove parts and brush with wire or brass brush. Heavy rust should drop off in sheets. Brush and rinse with water and separate any parts that allow further disassembly with the removal of this first layer of rust.

Resubmerge all parts in new white vinegar. Allow to stand 24-36 hours. Remove parts and with wire/brass brush continue to brush and remove newly loosened rust. As individual parts separate from the rusted mass work them lightly on a bench grinder wire brush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4QEBHIX6H8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlcL_vHODkc

Penetrating oil may be used to separate screws or small parts in the bolt or spring/recoil areas of the gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CESDxCloCoQ

 

With enough time and effort the impossible can be made to happen. The gun will have obviously lost cosmetic appeal but you should be able to restore functionality.

If you bury a gun in the future again consider the following information provided in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUogyKl4IYE

The barrel will need to be brushed with cleaning rod and brass brush through each segment of the process.

 

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:25 | 6780861 Disc Jockey
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I dug up my gun I burried 5 and 1/2 years ago just the other day.  It's rusted to hell.  What do I do?

 

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Thu, 11/12/2015 - 02:49 | 6780904 e_goldstein
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Buy a new gun and don't bury it this time.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:35 | 6780655 PrimalScream
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I think you guys need to go back to college and hit a Poli Sci class ... political science.

ALL societies are a balance between personal freedom and CONTROL from the leadership.

All human societies are this way.  We didn't suddenly create some new human paradigm that hasn't been seen before.  The arrogance of the modern world is to believe that somehow we have "risen above" the same constraints and powerful forces that shaped humanity since the beginnng of time.

Not true.

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:43 | 6780679 pocomotion
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Primal Cream, why don't you get a bottle of scotch and glass, sit down and watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbp61fOVFaE  in it's entirety.

By Joe, the boys got education written all over his red face...

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:16 | 6780993 A Nanny Moose
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Exactly how much control from leadership, is the correct amount? Why is leadership needed at all?

All government is theft. Nothing moral will ever arise from that which begins with an immoral act.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 00:52 | 6780707 USSLiberty
Thu, 11/12/2015 - 01:28 | 6780775 PoasterToaster
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Names.  Lists.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 03:47 | 6780779 The best Sun
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Seek only freedom and become captive of your dreams. Seek discipline and find your liberty.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 19:03 | 6784356 Mirv
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"Seek only freedom and become captive of your dreams. Seek discipline and find your liberty."  This is an extremely good point that bears contemplation and personal action.  Did you come up with this phrase or is it a quote?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:01 | 6780984 Batman11
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How do individualists engage in any form of mass production?

Sounds like back to the stone age.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:59 | 6781032 Billy the Poet
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By going to work, something collectivists don't understand.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:02 | 6780986 spencer
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what is this bulshit? I am tired of this indoctrinating revolutionary bulshit.

I just have 1 single argument against yours - if this is a tyranny - then go out, renounce your citizenship and leave.

You will see tyranny better on your own eyes.

 

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 08:32 | 6781241 SmallerGovNow2
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what are you like 20?  You don't know shit until you've seen over half a century of change and constant tightening of the government grip over your life...

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:39 | 6781014 Batman11
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“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” Warren Buffett

I am an individual and I am standing up for my rights in this class war.

Be a good little boy and fuck off, can't you see I'm busy.

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 04:55 | 6781028 inosent
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Very good article. Positive and constructive.

Highlights:

"While such people proclaim publicly that they do what they do for the “greater good,” in reality they seek only to satiate a private lust for power."

"at any given point in history at least 10% of the human population has inherent (but often latent) psychopathic tendencies"

"Public schooling as it stands today is an apparatus for brainwashing, nothing more."

And the part about being armed (dont forget the ammo) and trained is good.

 

 

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:15 | 6781052 red and ready
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Yeah, cause of collectivism USA is such a shithole... Only retards would agree with this article.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:30 | 6781068 Billy the Poet
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Only someone without the ability to form a cogent argument would resort to the "only retards would" canard. It's cheap, it's lazy and it simply doesn't work. Oh, and it's wonderfully ironic as well, which makes me laugh, so thanks for that.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:39 | 6781073 red and ready
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The author consders USA is a socialist country? USA is THE kingdom of Individualism. Thats why this country is a lake of excreta.

 

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 05:52 | 6781079 Billy the Poet
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Good thing that the Federal Reserve, the Wagner Act, Social Security, Selective Service, public education, Obamacare, forced participation in gay weddings and transsexuals in school locker rooms don't exist because if they did you'd be wrong.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:59 | 6781127 Colonel
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Look up online what CPS does to families on the slighest pretext or accusation tard.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 06:51 | 6781124 negative rates
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mathematics is the great equalizer, over time.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:05 | 6781132 Colonel
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Krugman Doesn't Understand Why "Darkness Is Spreading Over Part Of Our Society"

"at any given point in history at least 10% of the human population has inherent (but often latent) psychopathic tendencies. Less than 1% of these people will actually act out their full psychopathy under stable social conditions. However, in times of great distress or political and economic upheaval, the psychopathic 10% are given a kind of playground in which to let the devil out; Jung called this the “collective shadow.

 

Hmmm that ties together.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:29 | 6781151 Kagemusho
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Robert Heinlein said something similar:

Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.- The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 09:14 | 6781347 Calmyourself
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Absolutely true!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 11:15 | 6781883 gcjohns1971
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What a wonderful quote!

I had no idea Heinlein said that!

 

We need an alliance of Grumpy Men.

Only Grumpy Suspicious Men can save us all now.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:00 | 6782865 goldsaver
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Much of RAH's writings were socio-political commentaries brilliantly disguised as science fiction. One of his best is "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". Other great pieces of AnCap commentary would be Citizen of the Galaxy and Stranger in a Strange Land. In the moon he describes a quasi anarchist society (moon colony) nominally controlled by the "Administrator" from earth. His true control was on the economic front by controlling the prices of products exported and imported to "Luna" and controlling water, communications and news. Although his presence was more like a benevolent dictator, his actions spawned a revolution. Sadly, as seen in a later book "The cat who walks thru walls", Luna devolves into a bureaucratic socialism a few decades after gaining its freedom.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 07:59 | 6781191 Last of the Mid...
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I'm gonna need a special place for whites to heal.

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 10:41 | 6781685 Buster Cherry
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A new Confederacy?

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