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Just Stop Talking! - All 5 Fed Speakers Send Stocks Lower

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When FedSpeak Fails...

 

 

The only one who can save stocks now is Stan Fischer at 1800ET...

 

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Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:18 | 6782609 buzzsaw99
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dudley yapped twice?

bad dog!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:25 | 6782632 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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ALL PART OF THE PLAN ZH, I THOUGHT YOU COULD FIGURE THIS OUT BY NOW TYLER. TALK THE MARKET DOWN IN ORDER TO DELAY RAISING RATES AGAIN. I can't believe people can't figure this out, especially the so called professional traders.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:26 | 6782662 mtndds
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The market falls and then it bounces!!  WTF?!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:35 | 6782712 Ham-bone
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This meme of labor market recovery is very intesting..Mission accomplished moment upcoming???

As the Federal Reserve discusses and prepares the nation (and markets) for a potential December interest rate hike, seems appropriate to compare the "success" of the latest cycle with previous interest rate cycles. Clearly, the depths of the job losses in the great recession and subsequent recovery has much more work to be done, since it's worked so well so far.

 

http://bit.ly/1GYwvHE

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:39 | 6782751 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is understanding role of bankster, ecommunist, and politician and proclivity to lie and fabricate. That is given. But why is other such as analyst and commentator so dosh garn gullible!? Even simple Russian peasant is can see through lie of Federal Reserve.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 16:02 | 6782930 madcows
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A banker, a politician and an economist all walk into a bar.  Bartender says "What can i get Ya?"

The politiwhore and the Krugman look at the Blankfein... Blankfein says "I ain't buying.  I'll give you a loan.  But I ain't spending my own money.  Not unless it's free from the FED."

The Blankfein and the politiwhore look to the Krugman:  The krugladite says "I ain't buying.  Not unless it's with shitloads of borrowed money.  Hell.  I gotta noble prize for saying we need more government debt.  But I couldn't get approved for a mortgage, never mind a cosmo."

The Krugman and the Blankfein turn to the politiwhore. The politiwhore whines "What? ME? I don't buy anything.  People buy me!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:21 | 6782971 A Nanny Moose
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Ecommunist - WoTD

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 16:01 | 6783461 lasvegaspersona
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Never attribute evil when simple cluelessness can is explain, Boris.

What we are really seeing is that the Fed is failing in its efforts to keep the dollar alive. Some see this as part of a plot to destroy the dollar for nefarious reasons. I don't think so. I think they would like to keep the ecomony going but they have run out of tricks. What seems to be one thing is actually another all together.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:03 | 6782882 Hal n back
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they shoudl raise rates today since by mid December wew can combine bad Oct and Nov reports on business activity plus be looking a pukey Black Friday.

 

the Dec 4th jobs report will show 315,000 jobs added, all in the 55-64 age category. The 2/3 of the seniors not retiring wil be keeping their jobs and taking the highly paid welding jobs and that wil halp them keep warm before they die, saving huge dollars for the country on medicare and social securit, so the country can give those savings to another group, heaven forbind we try to balance the budget. 

 

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:26 | 6782661 glenlloyd
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Reminds me of the Valeant calls, another call another decline. Onward and downward!!!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:39 | 6782758 Boris Alatovkrap
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Forward Soviet!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:47 | 6782802 Carpenter1
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Day of reckoning for the FED's Pavlovian lapdogs, also known as BTD'ers. It'll hit 1700 before they even think to question their Pavlovian programming.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:20 | 6782610 JustObserving
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The Fed and its proxies will commence buying stocks shortly.

The freest, fairest market in this world must be kept levitated

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 15:01 | 6783181 rbg81
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It's all just so much posturing and mental masturbation.  The truth is:  Yellen wants to rates to go negative so bad that her dick is hard.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:18 | 6782611 undercover brother
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Fairly obvious they're attempting to prepare the market for a rate raise next month.   You know, full disclosure and all that.  

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:19 | 6782615 slaughterer
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FedSpeakRiskNegative + Bubble Market = > Must engage the Kevin.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:20 | 6782622 MadVladtheconquerer
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All I get from you is talk, talk....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hHnOBlwU3A

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:22 | 6782634 KnuckleDragger-X
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All we need now is Gartman declaring the market is a perfect buying opportunity.......

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:22 | 6782637 Catullus
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What's amazing is these people constantly admit they have no idea what going on at these lower bound of interest rates, and they criticize anyone with an apriori analysis as "heterodox". As if mainstream economics is just lick your finger and stick it in the air.

WEEEEEE...

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:41 | 6782773 Boris Alatovkrap
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Please do not as lick my finger.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:23 | 6782639 Glass Seagull
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VOTES OF NO CONFIDENCE!!!

LOOK AT THE TAPE, JANET. 

MARKET THINKS YOU'RE A DOUCHER!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:25 | 6782658 the grateful un...
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i think it all started when Obama made the announcement about Keystone, the oil market has been ugly ever since. the markets is going to be choppy until the oligarchs choose their next president.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:30 | 6782687 Kaiser Sousa
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gee thats curious...

Fraud markets falling...

and Gold and Silver phony paper prices falling too...

seems awfully strange and contradictary...

especially since

"Bar and coin buying more than tripled in the United States to a five-year high of 32.7 tonnes, and also rose 70 percent in China and 35 percent in Europe. That followed a more than 6 percent slide in spot gold prices in July, their biggest monthly drop in two years. "The price dip represented a buying opportunity for people to dive into the market and increase their gold exposure," Alistair Hewitt, the World Gold Council's (WGC) market intelligence manager, said. "The additional degree of uncertainty that has been imbued within people as a result of the financial crisis underpins people's desire for gold bars and coins. When you have that as an underlying factor, and you see a price dip, that represents an opportunity for you to increase your gold holdings."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/12/us-gold-wgc-report-idUSKCN0T11...

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 16:20 | 6783568 lasvegaspersona
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The gold price is set by the paper markets. Physical sales do not show up in that process.

Every year trillions of dollars of 'gold' is traded by the FOREX, only a couple of thousand tonnes of physical move.

Even though it seems just wrong, thems the facts. Indian and China can buy their asses off...it will not affect the POG. When the bullion banks sell a few billion dollars worth however...look out below.

As long as the paper market survives it will be this way.

btw

GLD continues to bleed inventory....the one link between physical and paper is this....physical must flow at the paper price....if it does not we have a major problem.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:30 | 6782688 Dragon HAwk
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Yellen.... " post-crisis period "...    God I love their Humor..

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:30 | 6782694 The Most Intere...
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On a long enough timeline w/ ZIRP, the survival rate for everything drops to ZERO.

 

Milton Churchill

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:31 | 6782702 Bill of Rights
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KSS ( Khols  ) looks like it has the potential to tumble some more.

 

https://www.tradingview.com/x/DilDMvMJ/

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:34 | 6782718 yogibear
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Fed credibility is going kaput.

Where is Hilsenrath? He needs to show up in this Federal Reserve comedy show.

The Fed has become like laugh-in.

All of a sudden the door in the wall opens and a Fed head has to flap their gums.

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 17:14 | 6783891 Crocodile
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You do not need credibility when there is no alternative and you have the green light to counterfeit.  Legalized criminals do not care or obey the laws made for the underlings.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:39 | 6782756 undercover brother
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All the fed speakers have done is protect themselves and give excuses.  The fact that their monetary policy of the past 8 years has failed so monumentally, coupled with the other abject failures during the prior 25 years, the entire federal reserve should be disbanded or rechartered with a different mission; one that specifically prohibits the bail out frivolous banks and corporations and does not use its financial muscle to manipulate global markets for the benefit of its members.  

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 17:12 | 6783883 Crocodile
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That is contrary to the shadow mandate.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:41 | 6782772 Squids_In
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Bring on the BULLARD !!!

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:45 | 6782794 polo007
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/12/us-g20-turkey-imf-idUSKCN0T11X...

The U.S. Federal Reserve should wait to see firm signs of rising inflation as well as a stronger labor market before hiking benchmark interest rates, an International Monetary Fund paper said on Thursday.

In a report prepared for the upcoming Group of 20 meeting in Turkey, IMF staff said spare economic capacity and very low inflation justified keeping monetary policy loose in most major advanced economies.

The contrast between rising U.S. rates and probable further easing in other developed countries was one risk overshadowing the global outlook, along with a shift in gears in China and an end to the commodities super cycle, the surveillance note said.

"The Federal Open Market Committee’s (FOMC) decision should remain data-dependent, with the first increase in the federal funds rate waiting until continued strength in the labor market is accompanied by firm signs of inflation rising steadily toward the Federal Reserve’s 2 percent medium-term inflation objective," said the note, which does not necessarily reflect the views of the Fund's executive board.

A Reuters poll published on Tuesday showed a 70 percent chance the U.S. central bank would raise its short-term lending rate at its Dec. 15-16 meeting, after a stronger-than-expected jobs report last week.

Policymakers, who have held benchmark overnight rates in a zero to 0.25 percent range since December 2008, are split over whether inflation is likely to rise from the current 1.3 percent under their preferred measure, which excludes food and energy.

IMF staff urged G20 nations to back China's efforts to liberalize its economy and accept that the transition to slower but more sustainable growth would likely involve some hiccups.

G20 leaders will have an in-depth discussion about migration at their Nov. 15-16 summit, and the IMF note said this was a pressing economic issue for both sending and receiving countries.

Increasing violence in the Middle East and Africa has driven waves of migrants into Europe, but neighboring countries such as Lebanon, Pakistan and Turkey are also struggling to cope with an influx of displaced people and need international support.

Upcoming IMF research showed that the costs associated with asylum seekers in the European Union could rise by a cumulative 0.15 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2015–16 from 2014, the note said.

But since 80 percent of migrants were of working age, continued migration could offset population aging and cut age-related spending in advanced economies by 1 percent of GDP by 2050.

The note suggested host countries could increase the economic contribution from migrants by offering benefits such as permanent residence to those with in-demand skills.

https://www.imf.org/external/np/g20/pdf/2015/111515.pdf

Group of Twenty IMF Note — G-20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors Meeting

IMF Note on Global Prospects and Policy Challenges

November 15-16, 2015

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 16:07 | 6783496 Crocodile
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I said it this morning on another post; soon Christine Retard would tell the FED not to raise interest rates...that was the equivalent.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:50 | 6782818 moonmac
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When Jumbo Jet Janet is out shopping and sees a kid's Piggy Bank for sale does she think it's mocking her economic policies?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 16:05 | 6783478 Crocodile
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Doesn't he, I men she, demand the kids piggy bank and if the kid refuses, then the Goldman Sach's gang takes the kids bank, kills the kid and comes after the entire family...something like that.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:53 | 6782830 bnbdnb
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And then ZH sends it higher.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:56 | 6782843 Cult of Criminality
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It makes her laugh

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 13:59 | 6782857 AbbeBrel
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Well you know it is game over for the Fed, and pretty much all the other CB's too. The world has reached Peak Debt and clearly making new debt even cheaper doesn't motivate the Muppets to pile on more purchases.

The New Home Sales have managed to stagger back up to *1990* levels in the USA - so much for the "recovery". And with the Fed giving away "Free Money" (with catches) to students to spend in iGadgets - well no way they can build up that ever-larger down payment on some dumpster.

Stir in a little bit of demographic peaking and some Dollar Short Squeeze (courtesy of that $10 Trillion in offshore overhang that Must Be Paid Back) and you have a recipe for wondrous stew of Aggregate Demand Damping that Mr. L. Summers, bless him, must dream about in Panavision and CBS Peacock Color at night, the poor 2nd place fool.

At the end of the day, what seems to be clear is that the world, or at least the EU, is shaping up for Monumental Lord of the Rings battles between the forces of Good (think Socialism / Political Correctness) with evil (Think Schauble / The Deceased Helmut Schmidt / austerity / budget balancing / living within our means without debt).

And you think I am joking but no no non, I am serious. The philosophical basis for this seems to be gelling and it is as divisive as the North / South divide in the USA in Civil War period. My guess is that the shadowy figures behind the levers of power will have to reveal themselves at some point. We will see. But in the E"U" (U for "Union") at least - there appears to be fissures forming. So as Surely as SoCal will split off and become a peninsula just off Redmond WA, so will the E"U" fractalate and transmogrify beyond comprehension due to the philosophical divides that are beyond gelling, and moving to some sort of visible definition. Time frames, and next steps? No F'ing clue but the overhang is about as evident as Schauble's and Rickard's observation about the last snowflake.

YMMV as always, but it will be endlessly [insert favorite phrase here]

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:00 | 6782866 AbbeBrel
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new home sales graph, for those into ChartPorn:

http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/New-Home-Sales.php

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:20 | 6782969 RougeUnderwriter
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< FEAR THE TALKING FED

<FEAR THE WALKING DEAD

 

THEY BOTH ARE THE SAME

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:21 | 6782977 PhiBetaZappa
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These Fed clowns couldn't find their own ass if it had a bell on it. They must be cleaning up at the big casino on these no news is news bulletins.

Pick a Kardashian, any Kardashian, and they'd be just as informative. Yes, we've degenerated that far.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 14:59 | 6783168 Goldbugger
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Dudle Do Right and Stop your Yellen but make sure you don't become a Lacker.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 15:26 | 6783285 halcyon
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Fed is wrong when it speaks, when it doesn't speak.

Decide.

If markets react to whatever Fed does, we know markets are far away from fundamentals.

Crash and burn -- that's what's needed. Total cleansing.

Doesn't mean who lights the fire, Fed or something else.

 

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 16:01 | 6783457 Crocodile
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The FED is our friend.  <sarc>  The PPT has it all rigged, I mean covered.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 16:24 | 6783595 polo007
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/12/us-usa-fed-dudley-idUSKCN0T129...

Fed officials lay case for December liftoff

WASHINGTON

U.S. Federal Reserve officials lined up behind a likely December interest rate hike with one key central banker saying the risk of waiting too long was now roughly in balance with the risk of moving too soon to normalize rates after seven years near zero.

"I see the risks right now of moving too quickly versus moving too slowly as nearly balanced," New York Fed President William Dudley said in remarks delivered at the Economic Club of New York on Thursday.

Dudley, who has a permanent vote on the Fed's policy-setting committee, said the decision still required policymakers to "think carefully" because of the risk that the United States is facing chronically slower growth and low inflation that would justify continued low rates.

But his assessment of "nearly balanced" risks represents a subtle shift in the thinking of a Fed member who has been hesitant to commit to a rate hike, but now sees evidence accumulating in favor of one. For much of Janet Yellen's tenure as Fed chair, policymakers at the core of the committee, and Yellen herself, have said they would rather delay a rate hike and battle inflation than hike too soon and brake the recovery.

But Dudley said the current 5 percent unemployment rate "could fall to an unsustainably low level" that threatens inflation, while seven years of near-zero rates "may be distorting financial markets."

"I don't favor waiting until I sort of see the whites in inflation's eyes," he said about monetary policy timing. Going sooner and more slowly, he said, may now be best for the Fed's "risk management."

In Washington, two regional Fed bank presidents who had already backed a rate hike repeated their calls for the Fed to move. St. Louis Fed President James Bullard and Richmond Fed President Jeffrey Lacker also said they agreed with broad consensus at the Fed that rates would move slowly after the initial "liftoff."

"The committee has been very clear that the normalization path here is going to be shallower," than the steady quarter-point-per-meeting hikes used by the Fed early this century or the faster hikes enacted in the early 1990s, said Bullard, who is not a voter on the Fed's policy-making committee this year but will rotate into a slot in 2016.

A cautionary note came from Chicago Fed President Charles Evans, who worries any rate increase could damage the recovery and put the United States in the same difficult position Europe and others found themselves in when they tried to raise rates at a time when the rest of the world was holding them down.

"We have had different points in time since the downturn where certain regions of the world thought they could delink against the rest of the world. There’s often a trail of tears that follows that hope that their own area is stronger. That makes me nervous," Evans said in Chicago.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 20:50 | 6784702 JOHNLGALT
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So we’ve got all the usual suspects out there calling for a rate rise, Yeah, do it, please do it, please do it. These imbeci**s obviously don’t know sh** from cl*y.  Do we have to put up with this crap for another month?  NO WE DO NOT HAVE TO. We need to tell them (“THEM”) to “DO IT” no more “DATA SIGNALS”. The last time the markets gave the FED data signals the ass fell out of the markets and they S*** themselves.

If the FED raises interest rates it will strengthen the already strong DOLLAR and strangle your exports, thus contracting your economy and sending it into a DEPRESSION.

 

 The U.S. has wonderful numbers,  What is the score now, About 60% on food stamps, (whatever that is). Sounds like a socialist utopia HEH, HEH, HEH.  In Australia it is called the New Start Allowance. We in AUSTRALIA call it the No Start Allowance because it is just a way to hide the true unemployed and give them a subsistence allowance and keep violence off the streets. My sympathies to all of you in the U.S.A. who believed in the “DREAM” of home ownership and independence.  

 

To anyone who would like to get out of this PONZI scheme there must be a precious metals store nearby.

 

There is a choice of keeping your life’s labour in airy fairy paper (“PET PAPER”) in which most of the thieves have told you they want to steal (through inflation) at least 2% of your wealth from you.

– If there is deflation you get to keep most of your work (value), If there is the thieves inflation, they get to skim the 2% or whatever off the top,  DO NOT FORGET THAT “THEY” CAN TURN ON THE SPIGGOTS TO 10% OR 20% OR WHATEVER and just steal that amount of your life’s work from you.

Or you can convert your excess labour into HARD OBJECTS,

LAND, (can be taxed),

BUILDINGS, (can be taxed),

CARS, (can be taxed and subject to depreciated value),

ART OBJECTS, (subject to personal preferences),

BUSINESSES, (usually valued in (“PET PAPER”) and subject to the honesty of management, ETC.)  YEAH, RIGHT.  We know all about that don’t we?

Getting back to the difference between “PET ROCKS” and “PET PAPER” and now – wait for it – “PET DIGITALS”.  I nearly p****d myself when I heard you can give up your life’s work to (invest) in “PET DIGITALS” HEH, HEH, HEH.  _YEAH RIGHT.

Give me a break. Do you think I’m a complete F*** W***.

Sorry about the rant folks, but you seem to give a few others a bit of leeway, and it was a good bottle of Muscat liqueur

As far as investing in “PET ROCKS” or “PET PAPER” or “PET DIGITALS”, maybe you should ask the _Indians, Chinese, Russians, Germans (sorry you can have your GOLD back in ??? years) _because I am not licensed  to give investment advice.

 

I loved to spill my guts after only 6 months of posting. Best to you all _JOHNLGALT

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