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Context for Paris Terror Attack: U.S. and Its Allies C-R-E-A-T-E-D ISIS
We are horrified by the terror attack in Paris, and send our prayers and good wishes to the French people (we were just there on a wonderful family vacation).
Here’s the context that we dare the Western press to discuss: the U.S. and its allies CREATED ISIS. And see this.
On the other hand: The First Question to Ask After Any Terror Attack: Was It a False Flag?
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do more (some) research before you post
Metrojet Investigation
"The aviation accident investigation agencies BEA (France), BFU (Germany), and AAIU (Ireland) participated in the investigation as representatives for the state of the aircraft's design, manufacture, and registration respectively. The BEA sent two investigators, accompanied by six representatives from Airbus, to Egypt on 1 November. According to the BEA, they joined two investigators from the BFU and four investigators from the Interstate Aviation Committee, their Russian counterpart, representing the state of the aircraft's operator.
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The Republic of Ireland, as the state of aircraft registry, made an offer of assistance which was accepted by the Egyptian accident investigation authorities for the Irish Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU) of the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport to send a team consisting of an Operations/Pilot Inspector, an Engineering Inspector and a Regulatory/Operations Adviser from the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) to assist in the investigation. The team flew out on an Irish military aircraft on 2 November."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrojet_Flight_9268
After all the official US accusations about MH17, the US witholding of information (satellite radar etc.),
and the half-baked MH17 "investigation",
Russia can hardly be faulted for declining un-needed US "assistance".
My God! If you're going to be a troll, at least be a bit subtle about it. You "post" sounds almost computer generated. . .by a really slow computer. Or a version of Dick and Jane. "See Dick run." "See Spot run." "Run, Spot, run." "See troll write really inane things to earn his five dollars an hour."
For your perusal. Gee, does this raise any "false flag" eyebrows ?
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Egypt and Russia have shunned the US from its investigations into the crashed Russian airliner.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Neither the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) nor the FBI have been invited to join the Egyptian-led investigation into the crash of a Russian airliner in the Sinai Peninsula late last month, officials at the two U.S. agencies said on Thursday.
Representatives for the FBI said that the bureau had offered both Egyptian and Russian crash investigators forensic assistance and other investigative help, but as of Thursday its offers had not been accepted.
The NTSB says it is normally asked to participate in investigations of foreign air accidents regardless of where the plane or engines were manufactured. The agency is automatically involved in crashes on U.S. soil. The FBI is often invited in cases where terrorism is a possible cause.
Neither Russia nor Egypt may be keen to share crash investigation data and results with U.S. experts, current and former U.S. officials say.
If I fucked a wooden fence, I'd end up with something smarter than you.
Are you really this retarded?
I for one am really disappointed in your waste of our taxpayer dollars. I mean, doesn't Langley provide decent propaganda training anymore?
It's the Internet. Use links to articles. Better yet, flesh out your propaganda with more than one vague source of information. For God's sake, be a little creative.
I expect better-quality bullshit.
Troll? Well, I see in your really fact filled post, you actually said nothing. That Mr. R2D2, looks like machine generated giberish to me.
See Spot run!
See Dick run!
Run Spot run!
var message = "See Dickhead Run!";
Never mind MH-17 eh.
Only the US, UK, Ukraine, Australia and dodgy Holland allowed to 'investigate'.
Russia, as usual, is awaiting due legal process, before assigning cause and blame.
What is wrong with that AH?
Why would Russia need to investigate their own false flag; they already know everything that happened to that plane?
Only complete fucking idiots can't recognize a false flag to gather support for military action at home when they see one.
Because the US and it's cronies are too corrupt to be part of a real investigation.
Wackoism. The US and its allies obviously had nothing to do with creating ISIS. Assad however, had plenty to do with creating ISIS. He rule was so unbearable to many in Syria that being part of ISIS became attractive by comparison.
yomutti
Now that's taking DUMB to a whole new level. Straight out of the Langley Manual of poor sods.
Next you'll inform us that Edward Snowden was a long term product of a Russian Sleeper Cell coming home to roost.
yoNuts bro!
Snowden. NOW FOCUS FOR JUST ONE SECOND. JUST ONE. You can do it.
Snowden has "millions of top secret documents"
and
NOT ONE DOCUMENT MENTIONS RUSSIA. NONE OF THEM. EVER .PERIOD.
How is that possible? Its not, its impossible. Snowjob is part of a dimwitted scheme to fool rubes into believing his bullshit.
so the documents and information he has released is "bullshit"
you do realize the problem with that "statement?"
Yes it's all a Ruse/Cunning Plan and the Neocons will give him a hero's welcome and not the death penalty on his return home.
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
The entire Western world has sat up and noticed three very interesting things.
1) Putin went to Syria to bomb ISIS. He hit everything EXCEPT ISIS. To include Iranian generals, civilians and garment factories. WHY doesn't he hit ISIS?
2) The Egyptian air crash. Putins Russian approval ratings skyrocketed to their highest levels EVER -- THE--DAY--AFTER--THE--CRASH!!! No shit, the very next day!
3) Putins rank and job title when at the FSB was "Major / Disinformation Officer".
You want fals flags and want to know who REALLY created ISIS?
ISIS = PUTIN. ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION.
Bonus. Who got Jihadi John? Was it Putin and all his "killing ISIS" nonsense. No. It was the USA of course...
Just when I thought you couldn't exceed your rank of "full metal retard" you actually surprise me and take it to another level entirely.
Hey Cheech, time to take another hit off the bong... I'm sure a really yummy Chebureki is in your future considering the bongs munchy potential...
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Egypt and Russia have shunned the US from its investigations into the crashed Russian airliner.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Neither the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) nor the FBI have been invited to join the Egyptian-led investigation into the crash of a Russian airliner in the Sinai Peninsula late last month, officials at the two U.S. agencies said on Thursday.
Representatives for the FBI said that the bureau had offered both Egyptian and Russian crash investigators forensic assistance and other investigative help, but as of Thursday its offers had not been accepted.
The NTSB says it is normally asked to participate in investigations of foreign air accidents regardless of where the plane or engines were manufactured. The agency is automatically involved in crashes on U.S. soil. The FBI is often invited in cases where terrorism is a possible cause.
Neither Russia nor Egypt may be keen to share crash investigation data and results with U.S. experts, current and former U.S. officials say.
http://alphahammer.winstheinter.net/reddit
Ha ha ha - Yes, I love the way that Russia and their paid trolls keep insisting that ISIS is the target for Russia. Well if so, they seem to have very poor aim. Because they keep hitting all the other anti-Assad groups instead.
Are you seriously that retarded!?!?!? Go jack off to an Obama photo dipshit.
Great response.
1) You have no facts
2) You have no facts
3) You have no facts.
Strike three "Yurrr Out!"
Actually you probably know the real facts, but since you're a Pootroll and think extra vodka and 30 rubles a day is good work, you parade around everything BUT the facts...
Yes, by the standards of the Russian troll house, his reply was a model of reason and wit.
Here's a question for you yomutti:
Do you and alphahammer operate from the same room?
Perhaps you even share the same laptop? You know, 10 to 11 it's your turn. From 11 to 12 it's alphahammer's turn. That kinda thing.
Why? Because you both turn up in the same threads to peddle whatever it is you are peddling.
...just wondering :-)
fact. nouns are legal fictions.
isis, is, isil are all examples.
i guess some nouns are just illegal fictions.
get it?
the entire "world" is tapping around the
isis, is fiction since clinton questioned
the meaning of the word in the verb form.
is (v.) Look up is at Dictionary.com
third person singular present of be, Old English is, from Germanic stem *es- (cognates: Old High German, German, Gothic ist, Old Norse es, er), from PIE *es-ti- (cognates: Sanskrit asti, Greek esti, Latin est, Lithuanian esti, Old Church Slavonic jesti), from PIE root *es- "to be." Old English lost the final -t-. Until 1500s, pronounced to rhyme with kiss. Phrase it is what it is, indicating resigned acceptance of an unpleasant but inevitable situation or circumstance about which nothing truly positive can be said, is attested by 2001.
etc.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=is&searchm...
Gee, bomb the fuck out of a whole region for 20+ years and the people who live there get mad.
who knew?
LOL.
It isn't, really, blowback until the people, who ordered the original carnage, are affected. The people who ordered the original carnage don't gives a tinker's damn about this.
@ atthelake
I'm a 'tinker'(from a long line of tinkers ) and darn right upset at your reference. We have feelings; we bleed too you know!
I'll report you to the appropriate authorities should you any time in the future malign my ancestry.
Tinker Tailor
Hey WTFUD,
You misundertake atthelake.
When tinkers damn something, it's an earth shattering moment.
I'm madly in love with Tinkerbell,,,
Spoctor Din
Thanks Doc
Just a bit sensitive that the Gypsies are giving us Tinkers a bad name.
By Gypsies, i don't mean Travellers but the motley crew of undesirables flitting between the USSofA and Ukraine and masquerading as the Official Government.
We're Good!
We need to put the micro aggressors on the terrorist watch list.
ISIS = NATO
What is the solution when YOU are the problem?
None.
With the attention focused constantly on these "extremists", it's impossible to see any others...from Albert Einstein, who some say was a pretty smart guy:
Letters to The Times New York Times December 4, 1948
New Palestine Party Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political
Movement Discussed
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the
emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party"
(Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization,
methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist
parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the
former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist
organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United
States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American
support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement
political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States.
Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome
his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout
the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and
perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he
represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions,
public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine
of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist
elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the
record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual
character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism,
whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist
state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real
character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to
do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir
Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish
lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands
who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK
TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a
military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants—240
men, women, and children—and kept a few of them alive to parade as
captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community
was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of
apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from
being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it
widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the
country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the
Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of
ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like
other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have
themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their
stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and
Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish
community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults
were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster
methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the
terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive
achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no
settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their
much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to
bringing in Fascist compatriots.
Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and
his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the
imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp
of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British
alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the
goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the
truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It
is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has
refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its
own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few
salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all
concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ, HANNAH ARENDT, ABRAHAM BRICK, RABBI JESSURUN
CARDOZO, ALBERT EINSTEIN, HERMAN EISEN, M.D., HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN,
M.D., H.H. HARRIS, ZELIG S. HARRIS, SIDNEY HOOK, FRED KARUSH, BRURIA
KAUFMAN, IRMA L. LINDHEIM, NACHMAN MAISEL, SEYMOUR MELMAN, MYER D.
MENDELSON, M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY, SAMUEL PITLICK, FRITZ ROHRLICH,
LOUIS P. ROCKER, RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK SANKOWSKY, I.J. SHOENBERG, SAMUEL
SHUMAN, M. SINGER, IRMA WOLFE, STEFAN WOLFE.
This doesn't really strike me as false flag. Makes no sense. This incident will drive extreme far-right nationalist parties to the top of the polls in every EU country, endangering the European experiment, endangering the muslim invasion that is supposed to destroy Europe, and endangering One World Order hegemony.
The more I hear false flag over this the more it strikes me people don't understand the real long term strategic objectives. Sure, the CIA created Al Qaida and ISIS... sure they rigged 9/11, but shit like this is just blow back. Al Qaida was about kicking the Ruskies out, then it refused to die.... ISIS was born from the ashes of the Sunni awakening project, Betrayus' brain-child to bribe the Iraqi resistance into not attacking US troops. The US has been working hand-in-glove with Islamic extremist groups since the late 80s... they can fund them, nudge them along, point them in whatever direction; it doesn't imply some CIA case officer is counting shell casings and painting targets. Look at Benghazi... the CIA is funneling weapons to ISIS in Syria via Turkey, and another gang of knuckleheads actually attacks the embassy. Classic.
The CIA or Goldman Sacks or JPM aren't the Masters of the Universe. They just think they are. Their continual fuckups prove it.
This was blowback pure and simple.
"endangering the European experiment"
The EU and especially Germany have been getting to strong recently, politically and financially (before the economy was affected from outside) AND German and French politicians have been openly speaking about NOT renewing the sanctions on Russia due to be economic disaster they have been on EU members.
Dont forget that the attack in Paris in January of this year came after Hollande had decided to proceed with the Mistral sale to Russia.
All thes countries have to do exactly what the US wants or they are at risk and the US is not above killing many to get its way.
This is also possibly caused as a GLADIO style False flag to be used as a reason to create fear of Muslims once again and to be used as it has been to "Enhance" the police state and to give an excuse to close borders in the EU.
"endangering the European experiment"
The EU and especially Germany have been getting to strong recently, politically and financially (before the economy was affected from outside) AND German and French politicians have been openly speaking about NOT renewing the sanctions on Russia due to be economic disaster they have been on EU members.
Dont forget that the attack in Paris in January of this year came after Hollande had decided to proceed with the Mistral sale to Russia.
All thes countries have to do exactly what the US wants or they are at risk and the US is not above killing many to get its way.
This is also possibly caused as a GLADIO style False flag to be used as a reason to create fear of Muslims once again and to be used as it has been to "Enhance" the police state and to give an excuse to close borders in the EU.
Let me help you; France was the most likely major EU country to flip east. Now a message has been sent. Next, the Solution is for NATO to justify boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq, something that was unpopular in the EU as many EU nations and Canada recently withdrew support for US action after a total embarrassment by the Russians.
This was too well coordinated and complex for ground guerrillas; just doesn't happen without major operational support from Al-CIAda of Langley VA. Note the timing of Jihad John and note that the mainstream news outlets are running stories of success in Syria and ISIS by staging non-journalist with the military and moderate "groups, in a desolate town in Syria with the story line of ISIS was not there and was on the run...really. Hollywood. When was the last time we saw journalist on the ground reporting on US success on ISIS? Coincidence?
We could go on; this is just the start of something far darker and when you think it cannot get any darker; it will, for we are under divine judgment and given over to depraved minds and we more than deserve it and it will get much worse.
This isn't checkers son, this is chess. NATO????????? LMFAO.... are you following European continental politics at all or you just making shit up as you go along? Every EU referendum has turned decidely against this NWO one world government United States of Europe bullshit by a factor of 2:1. ISIS? Syria? Get out of here. Europeans could care less. They have ISIS fucktards all over Europe now. Angela Merkel just let in another 800,000 in the last 2 months alone. German nationalists want US troops OUT OF GERMANY. Suuuure, Europeans are going to fight a EU civil war and continue to merrily bomb foreign nations a la US sidekicks all the while their defense budgets have been getting cut to shreds for the last 10 years.
The Dutch are already screaming close the fucking borders. Up and coming Dutch politicians are pointing at UKIP and saying hey, let's do that. German far right is liable to actually lynch Merkel if she lets even one more fucking Syrian cross the border. You don't seem to grasp even rudimentary political dynamics at play.
Syria? ISIS? NATO? European nationalists DON'T. GIVE. A. SHIT. Germans know Vald isn't rolling tanks on Berlin, the Swedes closed their land bridge to the continent not two days ago and these the fucking alleged geniuses of your dumbfucktwat hairbrained "false flag" didn't attack some international tourist destination or some facade of government that's been defended by the French army for the last 10 months... they attacked a Parisian hipstertown. You know who were the last standing allies of the French multicultural experiment? The dead hipsters these fucking rocket scientists just shot.
SMFH.
This was too well coordinated and complex for ground guerrillas
LMFAO. 9/11 was complex. This is 8 guys with AKs saying shoot unarmed hipsters at the top of the hour. Get real.
The European nationalists are ANTI EU, ANTI NATO and ANTI foreign entanglement. This incident actually played right into their hands. The Europeans are waking up to an Islamist nightmare RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSES. They're ALL toooooo aware of the fact their alliances with the US have dragged them into the crosshairs of muslims fucktards. But your grand thesis is, they want mooooore of that.
Here, let me help you....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSpOjj4YD8c
Desperate Banksters do desperate things. You are right about the potential rise of nationalist parties, but that's down the road somewhere. Right now, the Banksters need Zato on the ground in Syria. Banksters are afraid of Russia and Putin, not nationalist European politicians. Banksters have decades of experience subverting, via bribes, blackmail or murder any uppity politicians in the West.
If you make a habit of killing other people and then act SURPRISED when they try to kill you, you are clearly INSANE...
violence begets violence, somebody said it
and it is True. someday, more than just the
simple people will comprehend the meaning and
then understand. what you said is a strong
statement and argument for embracing the
philosophy and principles of non-violence.
simple ahisma, a very foreign word.
peace
Obey Jesus and act like Him and there would be peace. Apart from Him there is no peace, for man's inherit nature is bent on evil, which is the real issue with man who cries for peace and only and always gets war and always will apart from Christ. I don't care who can or can not see that, but if people quit lying to others and themselves and dealt with their sin problem, rather than pointing out others so easily, the world would be at peace. It has never been at peace because we are sinners to the core of our beings with no moral compass to guide us in truth. I am reconciled to Christ and look forward to heaven, the absence of all sin.
GW, we live in a world where human beings pretend to be civilised with rules but in the end we are all savages, some with rules and some without. The ones without rules or very few are actually winning ... because with so many rules we are not allowed to fight back.
To fight means to give up those laws that bind us to be pliable to our governments and the elites running the show, watch all the nervous neck twitching then if you armed the populace. Nah not the muslims, those that use economic warfare as an attack on their own populations.
If you want to fight hatred successfully; try putting on love. That is the message of Jesus Christ, but what does that look like? The answer is found in only one place.
The U.S. supported/helped build up: Japan before WW II, Russia before and somewhat after the Communist revolution, Germany before and during Hitler, Latin America before it went commie, and of course, Checnya and Bin Laden. Is there any country that the U.S. has not aided in some way that has not eventually spit in American's face. No, the U.S. has not that well orchestrated the eventual repercussions from the above coutnries. You are given the U.S. powers that be WAY TOO MUCH credit for engineering EVERY DISASTER committed internationally since Plymouth Rock.
Everyone knows that its the Jesuits/Jews/Masons behind all these historical events. Do I have to say "sarc?"
The Funny Pages have come early - today, Saturday. Be prepared to read below and after - EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD that the Muslims were not responsible for this holocaust in Paris.
"It was the Jews." "It was the CIA." "It was the Jews and the CIA.' "Remember the U.S.S Liberty." "Muslims would not wear masks." "Muslims would not attack younger people going to a rock concert." "No way, could not have been Muslims." "False Flag." "Definitely False Flag." "All done by Israel to make Muslims look bad."
"Jihadi John's real name is (was?) Seth Rubenstein."
Obama must appreciate all this support.
GW it beggars belief that there's you and so many other articulate American contributors here on Z/H and yet, we're lumbered with such a corrupt, vile and opportunistic band of outlaws , that is, the US Government.
For every single conscientious moderately well-informed experienced professional ZHer there's 1000 sheeple. No matter. The paradigm we're talking about won't require "democratic" majorities. We win by force of reason and by applying appropriate force at the appropriate time. The sheeple follow. As they always will.
I really do hate to be callous. However, as I watched the media coverage of the event here in Canada, I couldn't help thinking about how, apparently, the Charlie Hebdo false flag incident, wasn't enough to provoke the requisite fear required for the populous to demand the revocation of their freedoms.
Now let's watch Britains response.
At some point the fear card is a balancing act--TPTB need you just scared enough to listen to what they say, but not scared enough to try to protect yourself without them....
Why are comments disappearing?
CENSORSHIP.