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EU Commissioner's Dire Warning: "The Only Alternative To Europe Is War"

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While the saying goes "good fences make good neighbors," it appears the leadership of The EU is starting to get frustrated with the lack of acquiescence among some of the 'union's' newer or more marginal members. In a somewhat stunning statement, following ongoing and contentious meetings to discuss solutions to the migrant 'problem', EU Commissioner Timmermanns appeared to warn disagreeable member states, "There is an alternative to everything. I believe in EU cooperation because of all other forms in history have been tried to help Europeans get on better, and with the exception of this one, all other forms have led to war - so let's stick to this one."

 

 

As Elsevier reports (via Google Translate),

European leaders read the last few days the alarm about the survival of the European Union (EU). Prague said Commissioner Frans Timmermans (PvdA) Friday that the EU is only one alternative: war.

 

"The only alternative to the EU is war," said Timmermans Friday gave a speech at a conference in Prague, said a reporter for The Times of London who attended the speech.

 

Timmermans is the way Europe responds to the migration crisis' the biggest threat to the EU ever. The Commissioner underlined that countries should cooperate better when it comes to border controls. "Migration is part of life, but we must lead these movements together in the right direction," said Timmermans.

 

Matching words Timmermans in the alarmist tone that European leaders were heard in recent days about the survival of the EU. Earlier this week, Timmermans at the House of Europe Lecture in Amsterdam that he fears for the survival of the EU. "I do not optimistic about doing that, because I'm just not. This is the first time in my conscious experience of European cooperation that I think: it could ever really be able beaches.

 

Luxembourg Foreign Minister, who will chair the Council of the European Union on behalf of his country, spoke in an interview about identical words.

 

The current migration crisis is the European ideal of free movement shaking on its foundations. EU President Donald Tusk said that the EU is engaged in "a race against the clock." "But we are determined to win this race," said Tusk. "As I warned earlier, the only way not to dismantle the Schengen ensure proper management of the external borders of the EU."

 

The EU appears to be unable to curb migration flows. Because the borders are not guarded, seeing more and more countries are forced to protect their own borders. Even the welcoming Sweden went on Thursday to intensive checks on the southern border.

Remember when Hank Paulson waved the "Mutual Assured Destruction" card in the face of the U.S. with his infamous "blank check" three page term sheet? Now, it's Europe's turn.

What's worse, however, for things to devolve this much, it confirms that the European 'Union' is rapidly disintegrating, much more than the recent surge in barbed wire fences around European nations will demonstrate, and as Timmermanns warns, that means war.

 

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Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:13 | 6786889 adonisdemilo
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DON'T THREATEN ME YOU JUMPED UP EUROBASTARD.

IF THIRD RATE PROFFESSIONAL POLITICIANS LIKE YOU STOPPED INTERFERING IN THINGS THEY MOST ASSUREDLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WE'D ALL BE BETTER OFF.

FUCKING WAR?

WHAT YOU GONNA DO?

BOMB ESTONIA, CATALUNIA, POPRTUGAL.

FUCK OFF

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:23 | 6787170 Renfield
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May be the first time I've upvoted an all-caps comment.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:14 | 6786893 Sudden Debt
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a EU commissioner....

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA Those guys are idiots to who nobody listens!!!! Why start now????

That's like Donald Duck making a foreing policy prediction!!!

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:39 | 6788274 Countrybunkererd
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I would vote for Mickey Mouse.  He was a mean little bastard in the 1950's.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:18 | 6786905 Sergeiab
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These kind of asswipes have created the EU, the exact reason why there's gonna be a war

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:27 | 6786909 Kirk2NCC1701
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The EU was supposed to be only a Tariff-Free Trade-Zone for EU countries -- and as they qualified to join.

The "Common Currency Efficiency" meme is a bogus one, and a total Bait & Switch move by Globalists.

Whatever 'savings' that were realized in not having to trade national currencies via FX middle-men, were swamped by the mushrooming bureaucracy and regulations that were created in Brussels.  NONE of the economic and social problems we see today in Europe would have been even possible -- much less likely -- if there had been no EU.

Death to the EU (as it is)!  Go back to Nation States, or to the advertised "Tariff-Free Trade-Zone for EU countries".  

And start turning key EU leaders into Mussolini Piñatas, starting with that STASI bitch Merkel.

p.s.

Exhibit A:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rcc7xgD2dM (Merkel disgusted by German flag)

Exhibit B:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwl5kyjLGT8 (Did Merkel just "read out Germany's suicide note"?)

And why do they persist in calling her "Mutti" ('Mom'), when she has no kids?  And nor did her predecessor.  What a sham!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:48 | 6787013 Bring the Gold
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This is well said. I don't advocate violence, but agree with the rest. Cheers!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:28 | 6787204 Kirk2NCC1701
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I don't think that anyone here "Advocates violence" per se.

But, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.  E.g. The US and NATO have fully and openly supported Green Revolutions -- in the name of Freedom, Democracy, Social Justice and Liberation from Tyrants.  That's an extremely well-documented and prolonged set of historic facts.

That being the case -- as Precedent -- cold hard logic then demands that the German people (or the People on any country, for that matter) have the exact same rights: To use force against their tyrants, and to drag them out into the streets for Common Justice.  

Italians/Romans did it to Mussolini, Romanians did it to Ceausescu, etc, etc.  Merkel and her ilk are therefore no exception, if that is what the German People want.  I would only cheer them if they did -- much the same as we were encouraged to cheer on the Common Justice meted out to Ceausescu, Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, etc.

Unless you suck at logic, or are a moral hypocrite, you have to agree with this at the intellectual level.  Whether you have the personal courage (financial, social and physical courage) to do so, is another matter, of course.  That's two different sets of shoes, I'd argue.  

In my case, as to the latter, my age and health prevents me from leading any 'charge', but I could muster the strength to participate in a mass-rally.  That would still be better than doing nothing at all.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:41 | 6787273 Bring the Gold
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I believe in the right to defend one self. That said there are many ways that a rejection of governance could be achieved. Alternative currencies, mass protests, general strikes (super effective) and refusal to pay taxes among others. The state would likely respond with violence, one has to have the will to persevere and if one remains steadfastly non-violent the state is eventually laid bare as against the people. These tactics work. They just aren't very sexy anymore and require discipline. Violent overthrows almost invariably lead to a new violent government often worse than it's predecessor. Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc etc. for every founding fathers group there are several dozen military juntas that take over. Defending oneself and ones family from imminent violence is the right of all human beings just the law won't see it that way. Same goes with tax evasion general strikes and mass protests. Look at the protests against the WTO world bank IMF etc etc. sadly 1999 was the last time there were common cause mass demonstrations across many age groups, unions, environmentalists etc etc. occupy Wall Street was another chance art his but people were afraid it was some secret socialist/Marxist putsch and didn't support it so the status quo locked it back down.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 01:26 | 6790742 BarkingCat
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I am sorry, but what exactly was wrong with Napoleon?

I know that if you were an aristocrat he was bad news, but for the common people and especially the serfs he was a saviour.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:54 | 6788013 Victor von Doom
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No - the EU is just a larger version of Bismark's "Zollverein" or "Customs Union" program.

If anyone doesn't know how that turned out, it ended as Bismark first intended - with "Blood and Iron" and the creation of the 2nd Reich under the newly crowned Kaiser Wilhelm II.

Anyone else see the similarities here?

Only difference in this equation is the importation of Islamic barbarians. Honestly suprised at this move - I thought the Zios would have preferred the more talented Western slave over muzzies.

Apparently not.

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:20 | 6786914 TRM
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So European "cooperation" is everybody do what Germany says when they say exactly as they say OR VE VILL HAVE VAR!!!!!!!

What a dumbass. Here's a solution you may not have thought about. Don't have open borders!! What type of place just lets everyone who shows up in? A nuthouse.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:26 | 6787188 Renfield
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Ironic, isn't it. Anyone can just show up to join, but you have to go through austerity's flaming hoops to be 'allowed' to stay in, and apparently wade through the river of fire in hell to be 'allowed' to get out. Sound about right, Greece? Welcome to the Hotel Eurozone.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:55 | 6788019 Victor von Doom
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A concentration camp.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:24 | 6786920 EddieLomax
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The pronouncements from the EU are sounding increasingly like those from 1940's Germany, both organisations had the stated aim too of uniting Europe, the difference today is that the EU is pretending that this is for everyones benefit.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:57 | 6788023 Victor von Doom
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Just like the North German Confederacy was. Same plan, larger scale. See previous comment.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:27 | 6786934 MEFOBILLS
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There is a simple alternative.  EU ministers lack knowledge, imagination and political will.

All countries are sovereign, and hence should have their own money.  Their money should NOT be debt based.

Between country trading is ONLY BARTER.  To do the barter function, an accounting methodology/tool needs to be available.  I suggest Keyne’s Bancor system.    Bancors are not money, but an accounting method that marks exchange between countries.   This unit is constrained to its narrow function, and is not general purchasing power (money) within countries.  Within countries, the lawful sovereign unit is used to do exchange.

In a sovereign money/bancor system, floating exchange rates between countries go away, and the only exchange rate is relative to a Bancor.

Bancor accumulation or losses is an easily observable phenomenon, and gives political establishment time to adjust sovereign money/bancor rate, or work out some other deal with their trading partners.

If a country does not have its own language, its own culture, its own money, and its own borders – it is not a country.

COUNTRIES EXIST TO PROTECT THE extended TRIBE OF PEOPLE WITHIN.

The EU project was flawed from conception.

The underlying motive of large trading blocs with a currency union is so that credit “currency” can find its debt instrument.  In Europe, as in U.S., the money system is debt based; and the very nature of debt money is that credit created MUST find its debt counterpart.  The debt instrument demands that it be paid in an accounting cycle.  If credit cannot flow and find its debt, said debt cannot be canceled. 

Debt holders, meaning the banks/markets, will coerce governments into false economic unions in order that their money schemes can go forth.  Debt schemes are also used to harvest and subordinate countries, witness Perkin’s book, “economic hitman.”

Changing the money system will allow Europe to trade in peace.   The debt money system is part of full spectrum warfare.

The parasite must be ejected, otherwise societal “brain” will continue to malfunction and devolve into war.   The psychopaths should not have their way with their faulty rent-seeking money system.

Banks creating new credit at interest is a parasite.  They stand between humans credit/debt relations as a third party.  A parasite makes the host think it is necessary.  Money should be created exogenously, not endogenously.  Bankers do not have the right to create our transaction medium and inject themselves into our affairs. 

 

www.sovereignmoney.eu

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:51 | 6787029 Bring the Gold
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Fantastic post and spot on! Deserves +10,000,000,000,000 I regret only that I have but one up vote to give!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:30 | 6786944 SharkBit
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Yeah great idea fuck face.  But first you gotta take the fucking corruption out of the system.  Start with the central banks, then the banksters, then the lobbyists, then the globalists, then the corrupt politicians.  Long list.  Then you might have a chance.  Otherwise, bring it on.  Thanks for fucking up my world.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:31 | 6786949 Sparehead
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So cooperation is the same as capitulation, and to not capitulate means war? If it comes to war as the globalist gangsters cling to power and resist the inevitable dissolution of the EU with ever stronger tactics, there will be no safe location for them to flee. Ultimately they will fail. The empires are falling under their own weight. Independance and nationalism is the inevitable result.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:00 | 6788035 Victor von Doom
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...and Freedom - or as close as it gets on this shithole.

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:34 | 6786954 More Ammo
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War? sounds like a good alternative to Tyranny.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:28 | 6787205 Renfield
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By 'war', I think he meant one not directed by the serfs against people like him.

He didn't really think this through, did he?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:37 | 6786963 Hannibal
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Elsevier is a Dutch right-wing CIA controlled weekly propaganda magazine. I'd take them with a sack of salt.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:37 | 6786966 theallseeinggod
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"The only alternative to me losing my job is war"

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:01 | 6788043 Victor von Doom
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Double plus win TASG! Extra choco ration for you!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:37 | 6786971 luckylongshot
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The alternative to another bankster driven war is to get rid of the banksters. If the Eu was not run by the Rothschilds the standard of living would be higher, the level of conflict would be lower and the prospects for peace much better.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:59 | 6787036 Albertarocks
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"The alternative to another bankster driven war is to get rid of the banksters."

That's the only solution to all of earth's miseries.  The antidote to war is extermination of those who incite them, fuel them, and profit from them. 

Contrary to what the world has been led to believe for centuries, humanity can absolutely thrive (yes, even with universal friendship) without any need for any central bank owned by criminal cabals.  A central bank, much like any run-of-the-mill credit union, would work beautifully and very, very effectively to the great benefit of the entire global community... as long as it is owned by the people.... not by any group of criminal motherfuckers hell bent on ruining then running the entire planet they have just destroyed.  They are not the illuminati, they are the insane.

All credit unions are owned by the very people who deposit money into them.  Loans are made to those same member/owners.  Credit unions work incredibly well.  The idea of national credit unions would work absolutely perfectly.  No central banks.  No wars.  Period.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:31 | 6787196 Bring the Gold
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I'm definitely anti-Central Banking and pro-Credit Unions. To claim that only central banks or some ethnic group create all wars is absurd. War has existed for 7,000+ years before most current ethnic or cultural groups existed and probably long before that but the historical record dead ends around that time frame.

I'm all for removing any and all people who are abusing power and this includes oft railed against ethnic groups and religions. That said, Even if you eliminated all the Abrahamic religions tomorrow there would still be the potential for war. Look at the Chinese. Japanese imperialism etc.

War is caused by the human psychological condition of seeing "the other" and the fear that grips some. Some tyrants are obsessed with their security others know their actions make it unlikely they will be loved so they dominate through force.

The overwhelming majority of humans just want love, respect, meaningful work, Maslow's hierarchy of needs you know? What needs to happen is the children in power need to have their toys taken a away and adults need to run things out of mutual respect. We are one species and this is the only planet we got. We could tomorrow if we had the will live together in peace exploring space inner and outted forever and ever in peace. I believe that will eventually happen. It's time to evolve and meet our destiny as a species that explores the universe in peace.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 01:51 | 6790783 luckylongshot
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While you are right in your claims about wars having occurred throughout history, in the last few hundred years most of the big ones were caused by the Rothschild banksters. Oliver Cromwell led the first bankster funded war in England. The Napoleonic wars were at their heart about the banksters, the American wars of independance and civil war were bankster driven. The Russian revolution was bankster funded and Russian communism can be attributed to the banksters. WW1 was bankster driven, WW2 was bankster driven -If you want to find out more Ellen Brown has done a great job in "Web of Debt". In recent years the US has become the tool the banksters have been using to promote their agenda. Iraq, Libya and Syria are all examples of bankster wars. It was no coincidence that the first institution Libya got after the revolution was a Rothschild owned central bank.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:42 | 6786985 PoasterToaster
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First the public shaming of anyone who speaks up for themselves, calling them a fascist monster.  Then when that fails, threats of calamitous punishment via war and misery.  Control freaks in "high office", like abusive spouses, always threaten doom and destruction when they can't have their way with you.

What's next?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:30 | 6787220 Renfield
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Their preferred terms are "extremist", "left-wing", and "right-wing". Much more nebulous than "fascist", b/c that word is a little too specific for them. Hits a bit close to home, and causes people to start thinking about what fascism might actually be.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:45 | 6786997 Herdee
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Americans start wars,Europeans get all the refugees.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:09 | 6787070 Jorgen
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"Americans start wars,Europeans get all the refugees."

Btw, YouTube removed the sound for this video due to a "copyright violation" (yes, really?) so below link is to Vimeo that still has sound to this disturbing documentary. Also, YouTube reset the counter on this video which yesterday exceeded 1 million views...

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:27 | 6787193 smacker
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I downloaded that video with soundtrack from YouTube just before they took it down to trash the soundtrack and reset the counter.

It is horrific.

And what are our Euro political elites doing about this mass invasion??

Why yes, they're opening the doors to let them in.

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:46 | 6787003 aleph0
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We were all doing fine in Europe , until the EU was born.

Then came the Euro , and things got quickly worse.

And now that nobody wants the EU & Euro , they threaten us with war or Islamization ?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:09 | 6787109 andletgo
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I don't like EU much either, but maybe you need somehistory lessons before betting the ranch and putting your own butt on the line, did you know there were over 190 armed conflicts in Europe in the period 1900-1950, including two major wars?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:10 | 6788087 Victor von Doom
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Individual countries going to war on a non-stop basis? 

Sounds like a hell of a lot of freedom going on.

Or do you prefer not being allowed to disagree?

War is the only proof a country has sovereignty, or lacks it if by fighting it they are serving another.

Think about it.

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:46 | 6787005 rita
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This is madness, how can this be happening? How can this be said?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:49 | 6787017 rita
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Stop the governments in Europe in engaging in the folly of the US foreign policies. Dismantle NATO and we will all live in peace.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:51 | 6787028 Moccasin
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Timmermanns circular logic speaks to his idealogical stupidity and his incapacity to think of ways to improve or create alternative arrangements to make the EU stronger. It is his illogic that will lead to his self fulfilling prophecy of war.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:52 | 6787031 Eddy Vluggen
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Lets try a global dictatorship; we'd have world-peace.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:53 | 6787034 LostWages
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What this fucktard meant to say was: we fucked up the economy with our greed and stupidity.  We need a boogie man to blame this on in order to deflect the public anger away from us. The immigrants will do just fine for this task.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 13:56 | 6787040 Fireman
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The pedophile Politburo in Brussel$ knows that the jig is up. Their Anglozionazi scheme for the United Snakes of Urupp, run by the Washing town thugocracy of the United Snakes of Merka, is going down in flames. The Euro Peons are sick of psychopaths calling the shots and now with the rotting TTIP USSAN albatro$$ being foisted on the peasants on both sides of the Atlantic, the masses are revolting.

 

Syria is the key and the Russian Bear that will no longer be trifled with by murdering pin-striped ghouls.

 

Onward ever faster to the flushing of the Scheiss Saudi Mercan dollah from the chosen racer bankster Ponzi sewer of rigged market "capitalism"!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:05 | 6787042 Johnny Horscaulk
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The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan - The Genocide of the Peoples of Europe

http://celticanglopress.tumblr.com/post/47433261983/the-coudenhove-kaler...

http://balder.org/judea/Richard-Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practical-Idealism-Vi...

I am not sure why the defenestration of people like this fellow, and the Barbara Lerner Specters, and others like her

http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2015/03/norways-alan-shatter.html?m=1

Is not a viable option.

Why not send some to Israel?

http://newobserveronline.com/anti-semitism-europe-caused-jewish-lobby-pr...

http://blog.adl.org/anti-semitism/extremists-declare-refugees-hastening-...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224394/Israeli-Prime-Minister-r...

Is t it amazing? Israel is too small to take 1 refugee from the country they have helped to destroy through proxy terrorism? Yet small countries in europe - sweden, norway, ireland are not?

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/03/the-misplaced-minister-irel...

http://youtu.be/5jl-OJJVAEg

http://youtu.be/9VOFKCCaOQM

Heres the deal - organized Zionism wants to destroy europe, as do one worlders. But the Zios are driving and incentivizing it, hoping that christians and muslims kill each other.... AND THE CHAOS FORCES EUROPES JEWS TO FLEE TO GREATER ISRAEL -

Israel will find/create a pretext for a second massive ethnic cleansing when the world is on fire.

Consider some og bibis rhetoric:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4626738,00.html

Remember that high profile charlie hebdo attacks on jews?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-timeline-fr...

Think maybe israel was behind it?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:01 | 6787061 zenon
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If the EU is the only thing stopping the member countries from going to war with each other, that's not saying very much for the quality of peace nor the institution itself, is it?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:01 | 6787062 Mick Shrimpton
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I don't see the aveage young European putting on a military uniform any time soon.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:03 | 6787068 Johnny Horscaulk
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“Anti-Semitism in Europe”—Ironically Caused by Jewish Lobby Promoted Third World Immigration

http://newobserveronline.com/anti-semitism-europe-caused-jewish-lobby-pr...

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:16 | 6787075 falak pema
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Well now that is so true.

That's why eurofederation and eurobonding were necessary; and still are.

These nation states today if unbonded, RUN by Farrage/Orban/LePEn will smell of past Milosovic type of savagery. Neofeudalism coupled to rabid nationalism running wild.

History is a bitch. It's a fight between the knowledge meme and the power meme.

The sons of Aristotle battle against the sons of Alexander. One believes in the knowledge tree the other in "follow me to the ends of the earth; to the conquerors the spoils" mantra.

So who wins?

Well Aristotle lives on in science's miracles (and more fool the Mussis for having abandoned him. They had him in their House of Wisdom; they were the most intelligent then and they lost him to Allah; all the while the West found him and had his science and secular ethics to even replace Jesus).

All the while, since Machiavelli's insincerity mantra (the end justifes the means) rules in the West (today read  :greed is good/I'm top dog and have my boot on your neck; 'cos I'm BIG BROTHER), the Western power meme has gotten so corrupted in world empire mode as to make 'Allah o Akbar' sound respectable to the deluded!

Some awesome regression. And Pax Americana is now its iconistic spear carrier.

So... In the face of the new Charles V Empire will Europe continue to play like the Italian city states; all divided and consumed by imperial wars. Or will Europe learn from the East/West Ottoman/Habsburgian divide that allowed the nation state to emerge during the Reform and what followed. (Today read : US+ Surrogates vs China and allies)

But this time it has to be without guns, as NUKLEAR MAD is last stop before boot hill.

I don't think we learn so the fight just keeps going on.

Giddyap Aristotle!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:06 | 6787091 smoke em if you...
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and who is going to fight this war Commish? How about you leading the way? ....you might be surprised when you step out of the boardroom the support isn't quite what you thought.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:07 | 6787093 smacker
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"The EU is starting to get frustrated with the lack of acquiescence among some of the 'union's' newer or more marginal members"

Which just goes to show that many EU members do not like and do not want a politically integrated United States of Europe, because it is incompatible with their national culture and it's finding ever stronger resistance from Euro citizens.

All they really want is a free-trade area and in some cases, a free money area.

Too bad the Brussels power-grabbers and grinders refuse to see this.


Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:21 | 6787150 Kaeako
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They "refuse" to see it because that's never what the EU was about. Political integration was always the goal, and it was obvious for all to see decades ago. So far the people have allowed their business savvy fellow nationals lead them to a closer union because they thought they would get rich too and for that they have no one to blame but themselves. If they don't like it they will eventually re-establish national sovereignty, but at that point they will be so tangled in a web of treaties and bureaucracy that it will either lead to war or at the very least economic catastrophe. Oh well, the people get what they deserve one way or another I suppose.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:37 | 6787253 smacker
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Agree with you except to say that  the Euro political elites have spent decades deliberately lying and deceiving Euro citizens on a breathtaking scale.

In Britain's case, politicos of all parties have systematically denied that the EU is about a political union United States of Europe, despite, as you rightly say, that's what it was always about. It was never about anything else. It ranks as one of greatest frauds ever perpetrated on people.

So yes, citizens have some blame but the river of blatant lies from the politicos must take most of it.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:08 | 6787103 rwe2late
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 EU brought peace?

I guess Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia, Ukraine

don't count.

Nor does economic warfare against Russia, Greece, and other nations and peoples apparently matter, (sanctions,TPP etc.)

nor what that may lead to.

 

The prediction "EU will work for peace" in the future

can hardly be made conclusively, if at all.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:10 | 6787113 SpanishGoop
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Mister Timmermans his own tweet (Nov 9)

"Main motivation behind the politics of fear. Nothing is stronger , more tempting for politicians than to use that fear #HuisvanEuropa"


Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:00 | 6787122 Son of Captain Nemo
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How can anyone be "alarmed" with what Timmerman just uttered after what we've witnessed in the NWO since 2001 and more importantly the direct threat(s) and confrontation with Russia in the last 3 years alone?...

You can almost hear ol' "blue eyes" crooning in the background "I did it my way" ...when he delivered the ultimatum of "war" which the EU members already have with the unfriendlies from Mali, Libya and Sudan posing as "Syrians" in the refugee onslaught bearing gifts since August in Germany, Austria, Greece and everyplace else they choose to "meander"...

I know Tyler posted this the other day but listen to the "six-sided star" preparing Sweden more than 2 years ago with what was inevitable for not cooperating on a war front in Russia with the Anglo-American "4 horsemen" (U.S. Israel, UK and Saudi Arabia) of the Apocalypse...

We are and have been in the eye of the storm for years with the proclaimation called the "war on terror" and the schizophrenic nature "Nazi" Svoboda/ISIS/ISIL/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda meted out by the likes of Lerner Spectre/Kagan and Soros only proves how fucking warped they are and we are for allowing it to get to this level.

Russia if the EU can't throw the U.S. and it's military out of their Countries? ...

Still waiting for the "date in infamy speech" after the downing of Metrojet 9268 as reprisal for your involvement in coming to the rescue of a government you've been doing business with for the better part of a half century!

Tick.. Tock...

P.S.

Wouldn't you know it but youtube must of pulled it (no pun intended) for the number of hits it's gotten since WhatReallyHappened.com and Zero Hedge put it up!

Just one more example of Freedom of Speech working out so well for us in the NWO!!!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:29 | 6787483 Jorgen
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"Wouldn't you know it but youtube must of pulled it (no pun intended) for the number of hits it's gotten since WhatReallyHappened.com and Zero Hedge put it up!

Just one more example of Freedom of Speech working out so well for us in the NWO!!!"

The video is still available on Vimeo (for now). You can download it on Vimeo by clicking the 'Download' box below the video. I have a feeling that Vimeo, under pressure, may pull it down, too. 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:14 | 6787125 SpanishGoop
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I can not wait for the day that te USA decides that we need more "democracy" in Europe and starts bombing Brussels.

Of course i will be in Syria or Iraq by then.

 

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:22 | 6787165 Zero-Hegemon
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Just wait it will get better, when they decide it's own citizens need more "democracy". Like in Waco, TX.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:19 | 6787143 Theremustbeanot...
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CIVIL war yes!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:20 | 6787149 Government need...
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Someone call in a SWATTING @ that fucker's address.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:21 | 6787154 Sergeiab
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And Europe has nothing to do with this board of chairmen called the EU

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:21 | 6787157 SpanishGoop
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"I believe in EU cooperation because of all other forms in history have been tried to help Europeans get on better, and with the exception of this one, all other forms have led to war - so let's stick to this one.""

And this one is better than all other tries because.....?


Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:22 | 6787160 Zero-Hegemon
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Timmermans is making a veiled threat, and a final offer, to the impacted EU nations that won't march to his orders on immigration.

Apparently, the folks in Brussels forgot that all politics are local.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:22 | 6787161 Theremustbeanot...
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The majority of citizens of Europe do not want a UNITED SOVIET STATES OF EUROPE run my paedophiles and financial criminals !

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:22 | 6787162 Theremustbeanot...
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The majority of citizens of Europe do not want a UNITED SOVIET STATES OF EUROPE run my paedophiles and financial criminals !

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:23 | 6787173 bid the soldier...
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Is this the same Nazi, Frans Timmermans, who, as Dutch Foreign Minister, ordered the assault on the Deputy Russian Ambassador in the Hague during the Greenpeace fiasco?

Rotten low life if there ever was.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:24 | 6787175 praxis
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Such a nice little country you have there (in his best Toht accent from Raiders of the Lost Ark).  Such a pretty little country...your fence its such a...inconvenience for some.  Yes such a tranquil little country.   Such a shame if something were to happen to it ja?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:25 | 6787180 22winmag
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Can we scrap and abandon NATO if these sad, defeated nations posing as a union start punching each other?

 

Like... please.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:26 | 6787184 Theremustbeanot...
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A lovely trading block with freedom of movement of the CITIZENS as well as GOODs and SERVICES not a communist hell hole for the many run by a fascist elite exempt from all laws and taxes! 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:28 | 6787203 insanelysane
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People on a sinking ship are reluctant to board the life boats.  Although the ship is sinking it still provides a sense of more security than the little life boat.  At the end of the day the UK and some other countries will regret not getting off the ship before they were neck deep in migrants.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:30 | 6787219 madcows
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Fuck it.  bring it.  especially in this country.  this fucking government is so corrupt i'm begging for a revolution.  i'm not the serf of some appointed government apparatichik.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:34 | 6787235 Falconsixone
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Is war pc?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:25 | 6788177 Victor von Doom
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It is if you are a Communist.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:44 | 6788303 TurnwiseWiddershins
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White males do not have the right to speak unless spoken to.  Welcome to Highereducationlandia.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:36 | 6787250 Falconsixone
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Is his name to long to get on a sargents uniform?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:41 | 6787271 Renfield
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Private's uniform. Let him work his way up from the bottom for once in his sorry life...

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:40 | 6788282 TurnwiseWiddershins
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Sergeant.

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:40 | 6787264 Theremustbeanot...
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All we need to kick the civil war off is a fraudulent carbon tax based on the lies of anthropogenic Climate Change! 

The w**kers are doing nothing about the following that do effect the environment:-

leaking nuclear power stations!  

Chemicals - Pharma and industrial in the water!

etc etc

W**nkers

 

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:40 | 6787266 Theremustbeanot...
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All we need to kick the civil war off is a fraudulent carbon tax based on the lies of anthropogenic Climate Change! 

The w**kers are doing nothing about the following that do effect the environment:-

leaking nuclear power stations!  

Chemicals - Pharma and industrial in the water!

etc etc

W**nkers

 

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:43 | 6787276 Theremustbeanot...
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All we need to kick the civil war off is a fraudulent carbon tax based on the lies of anthropogenic Climate Change! 

The w**kers are doing nothing about the following that do effect the environment:-

leaking nuclear power stations!  

Chemicals - Pharma and industrial in the water!

etc etc

W**nkers

 

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:45 | 6787286 Batman11
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Today's world is different, we have nuclear weapons.

The cold war between Russia and the US stayed cold for this reason.

To go to war now really is MAD (mutually assured destruction).

Germany will be waging financial war with you in the meantime.

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:46 | 6787292 voxpopuli
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So, basically, the alternative to "War in EU" is "destroying EU from within, with immigration, gender theory and applied socialism". Naaaaice !

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:51 | 6787309 ToSoft4Truth
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Jesus will suck the Americans up into the clouds just before launch.  We're all good.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 14:54 | 6787317 ToSoft4Truth
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Technically, Europe ended long, long ago when the productive citizens fled to the New World. 

Now Europe is being gentrified… with Muslims

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:07 | 6787364 highwaytoserfdom
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It's non interventionist  NOT ISOLATIONIST..   We are Wiemar. 

If you understand 911 enough said..  

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:21 | 6787426 Raymond_K._Hessel
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The crisis is manufactured, only a fraction of the refugees are from syria, people are coming from all over having been promised freebies, and purportedly given cash by the saudis, and the us government (which if you recall advertised about welfare benefits, in spanish, *in Mexico*).

Just because youre paranoid dont mean theyre not after you, and just because 'right wing xenophobes' are objecting, often in a reprehensible manner, to this engineered "Immivasion" does not mean that it is fair, just, democratic, good for Europe, or anything but something globalists, bankers, and the usual suspects want for their own selfish, anti-democratic and yes, racist reasons.

If you think European peoples (particularly small noncolonial states - I can understand the reasonableness of france and *england* taking in their former victims to some extent) have no right to not wish to commit cultural and ethnic suicide - YOU ARE A RACIST. Period and by definition.

You are also anti-democratic, idiotic, myopic, and guaranteeing years of violence.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:30 | 6787487 Free_Spirit
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Extreme politics lead to war, not free border rules.  Let those countries who preach the free borders policy take al the migrants if its such as brilliant idea. 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:34 | 6787523 Itchy and Scratchy
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Translation: So unless you want war ... Please commit cultural genocide asap and lets get this party started!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:46 | 6787598 preusse
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WHO KNOWS:

Yuri Bezmenov???

THIS IS A VERY GOOD VIDEO THAT DESCRIBES EXACTLY WHAT "THEY" ARE DOING TO US: THIS IS A MUST WATCH. ITS SELF EVIDENT BECAUSE OF ITS AGE. PLEASE WATCH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

 

DEMORALISATION - DESTABILISATION - CRISIS 1.)civil war 2.) invasion - NORMALISATION

YOU WILL ALL FALL OF YOUR CHAIRS

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:46 | 6787601 PrimalScream
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THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE ... between political cooperation and economic slavery. 

when nations make a commitment for peaceful coexistence with each other, that is one thing.  But when a single Centra Bank creates a reign of economic severity for everyone, that is something different.  It was NEVER possible for Europe to unite all of its nations under one Economic Roof.  That experiment is a dismal failure and Brussels needs to give it up. 

Political cooperation in Europe - maybe.

One set of economic rules that governs all nations - impossible.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:56 | 6787655 SpanishGoop
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He makes 25,000 euro a month tax free, has a really good and paid for by others pension plan (if he ever lives to see it paid out) so why give up ?

That's the reality.

 

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:52 | 6788004 JenkinsLane
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Exactly. If the EU folds all these bureaucrats can kiss goodbye to their 100k pensions - they're not about to give those up without one hell of a fight.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:52 | 6787628 SpanishGoop
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Bring it on Brussels, "WE ARE READY FOR IT".

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:54 | 6787649 mpnut
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"There is an alternative to everything. I believe in EU cooperation because of all other forms in history have been tried to help Europeans get on better, and with the exception of this one, all other forms have led to war - so let's stick to this one."

 

I took it as "I believe in EU cooperation" because of all other forms in history have been tried [resulting to war]

So he is suggesting cooperation and not in favour war.  Jounalism like this is what causes misunderstanding that leads to false flags..

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:58 | 6787669 SpanishGoop
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I took it like that also.

But i am a stupid ignorant nitwit.

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:31 | 6787883 Itchy and Scratchy
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Suggesting cooperation? The EU 'suggests' nothing! How about they are 'suggesting' resistance is futile so let's just bend your daughters over and lets get on with this!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 15:58 | 6787670 DLux
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This guy is ex-military intelligence (Russian POW interrogator). I'll bet he'd love to have NATO start a war with Russia. Fuck him and the globalist horse he rode in on...

On 6 January 1986 he was conscripted in the Royal Netherlands Army as a Private first class for the Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service as a Russian Prisoner of War interrogator.


Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:13 | 6787751 ChooChoo
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Sorry to inform you but the armies of Greece/UK/France/Italy are too great and for sure we won't hit each other... so germans can shut up xD 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:35 | 6787899 Itchy and Scratchy
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So very sad to see how much of civilization is being wiped out and how borders are being unilaterally redrawn and rich cultures are being eviserated! Hopefully those responsible will die a slow and painful death but those insects will probably outlive the rest of us!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:59 | 6788030 durablefaith
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This immigration crisis is closed pivrns writ large. In global governance 2025 .gov meeting notes the elite worry over inaction and slow progress to global governance. They spoke of seizing the Obama moment since he is aligned with their interests. This looks to be part of their strategy to avoid reversion to mean...destroy cohesion.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 16:59 | 6788032 Jack Oliver
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Obama's final speech will be 'We were out of recession - every American willing to work had a job - the future looked bright for ALL Americans ! But China - Russia and Europe had to come along and FUCK everything up !

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:00 | 6788036 Haager
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It's not the people nor Europe as a whole, it's these (fake) elitists egoism that fucks the things up big time. War is the future, either against the neighbours to EU or within the EU in because of discrepancies in (social) welfare, or everything goes belly up. They've already sold out to lobbyists with a shadowy, increasingy dictatorship-like EU, and they are almost worthless already compared to geopolitical interests.
They have to learn to step aside, especially when the empire is going to crumble.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:01 | 6788041 TurnwiseWiddershins
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Scare Tactics. European countries are not going to go to war with each other (unless it's NATO instigating something against Russia), their populations are too emasculated to make the attempt. Ever seen two flamboyant San Francisco sissies have a slap fest? Well I haven't, but I imagine your average Euro-male would fight the same way they would.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:11 | 6788091 LastWhiteMonkey
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Then let there be war. Live free or die.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:27 | 6788188 bunnyswanson
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Fuck war and fuck you.  This is what they hope for - 6 billions people struggling to survive while they sit in their castles and count the loot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzySk8qfvxk - All news is Lies - Reporter blows whistle due to fear of war in Europe (2014).

Preppers are all a heart attack, a simple comminuted fracture or bout of appendicitis away from the grave.  Stop 4000 men so 6 billion can survive.  Arrest the members of Bilderberg, Council for Foreign Relations, all self appointed committes in UN and the entire banking structure should be dissemblered and burned in a pit with holy water being tossed upon the flames.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 20:38 | 6789550 Sparehead
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"Arrest the members of Bilderberg, Council for Foreign Relations, all self appointed committes in UN and the entire banking structure should be dissemblered and burned in a pit with holy water being tossed upon the flames." 

So you think you're going to achieve that without a fight? You can try but you'll end up with your "make love not war" sign shoved right up your ass. The system will collapse sooner or later, but don't kid yourself. The transition to whatever is next will not be peaceful.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:30 | 6788210 Youri Carma
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Timmermans is an idiot. In fact all Dutch politicians are idiots. That wasn't always the case but it is today I am afraid.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 17:31 | 6788212 Inthemix96
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Go forth Mr EU commissar, take your good self, your family and close friends and start a war with the Anglo Saxons, go forward and live that communistic dream in your head owt in real life.

The Common Purpose didnt work.  The Feministic shit didnt work either, neither did the multi culti shit have much sway with those that say little but seethe at a lot.

And thanks to the interwebs, folk like you Mr Commissar are now 'Marked'.

Suit your self boy, you started it.

You knew this before you lot went on that insane 'Modernization', you thought you could get away with you child fucking, money stealing, inbred fucking imbeciles.

You honestly did think you could get rid of the Anglo Saxons?  More the fucking fool you boy, and all those like you.

A more nasty, hateful, violent, down right righteous bunch of cunts have ever walked this earth, were going to be reconciled by a bunch of cunts with your inbred insight?

Come and get some.

;-)

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 19:13 | 6788899 Lucky Leprachaun
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+100

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 18:21 | 6788537 frankly scarlet
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oh I see this twit means violent war as in armies and war crimes and not the economic war that is being practiced by the rich against everyone else.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 18:54 | 6788770 yogibear
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Europe is dying. The leftist are flooding it with millions to destroy whatever was called Europe,

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 19:11 | 6788889 Lucky Leprachaun
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Come on Yogi, less of this 'leftists' shite.  We all know who are pulling the strings behind the curtain.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 19:10 | 6788874 Lucky Leprachaun
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"The only alternative to the EU is war"

He's right. Just off the top of my head I'd say Switzerland would be at war with Denmark, Italy with Roumania, Holland with Croatia. So yes, be thankful for the EU.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 20:29 | 6789500 Sparehead
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What does this piece of shit say now? It looks like parts of multicultural Europe will once again experience war regardless of what they choose.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 20:47 | 6789619 theyjustcantstop
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these e.u. countries better make up their mind soon.

the people behind this invasion are the same people that financed the winners, and losers, and rebuilding Europe in ww1-ww11, and watched 100,000,000 of you die.

no mention of nato, or e.u. wide drafting of forces, or are they waiting to have Russia show them how it's done, when they head there as threatened.

 

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 21:12 | 6789794 jakesdad
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well, that was well timed...

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 21:52 | 6790021 Raul44
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There is another alternative: kill all EU commissioners.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 00:31 | 6790637 Faeriedust
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A united Europe is all well and good, but there need to be some adjustments both in the power structure and in the rule of operation.  Because right now, the alternative to "Europe" is beginning to look like the New Caliphate of Al-Andulus.  Either they get their borders closed and protected, or there isn't going to BE a Europe much longer.  Case in point: today's attacks in France.  As long as the Europeans insist on "tolerating" murderous religious fanatics in their midst for fear of appearing "racist", they are going to be murdered on a regular basis.  And if they keep it up long enough, the religious fanatics will win and take over.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 01:25 | 6790738 dogismycopilot
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Funny, a group of controlling UNELECTED politicians (EU Commissioners) wanting war (sarc).

 

The EU is the Desolation of Abomination Europe. Look at Paris.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 01:25 | 6790740 damicol
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If it's war then fucking war it is.

And this cocksucker  is in my gunsight

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 01:44 | 6790772 Wild E Coyote
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I think the proper title would be: "EU Commissioner threatens war, if some refuse to listen to him"

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 01:49 | 6790781 Barrack Chavez
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High paid, unelected bureaucrats telling the little people there is no alternative but to keep paying the unelected bureaucrats millions (tax free) while the voters get all the bills.

Yeah, I can see why the crooks -- I mean bureaucrats -- don't want that to end.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 04:23 | 6790969 GoldenDonuts
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That is just about the stupidest thing that I have ever read.  The ONLY way to not have another european war is to give up your freedom, sovereignty, identity, morals, character, and blend into our totalitarian, communist future.

How about just agreeing to free trade and a non agression pact inside Europe.  That would pretty much do it.  Forget about that abortion of a "currency".  Forget the total mind control of the EU.  Forget about totally open borders.  Forget about the empire.  Empires fall eventually and empires built on a foundation of shit fall sooner than later.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 05:01 | 6791012 billpayer
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There's another alternative to the EU and/or war: sharpen the guillotines to cope with a long queue of EU politicians, Timmermans first.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 08:02 | 6791181 honestann
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The EU and euro will definitely lead to war.  In fact, they already have!  The only question is "what kind of wars", "where", "who" and "why".  Plus "how many" & "how often".

Sigh.  I guess I need to say it.  The more you try to force people, the more certain and sooner they will eventually retaliate.

The FUNDAMENTAL NATURE of the EU is force... a mission by self-important human predators to force uniformity on the entire population of Europe.  Then also to force all of Europe to apply force on other nations [mostly in the mid-east and Ukraine for now].

The very nature of the EU is to cause disaster and war.

Suckers!

The only real "war" that's needed is "individuals" against "those who push them around"... and that's not a war, that's self-defense.

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