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In Oregon There Are Now More Marijuana Shops Than Starbucks Or McDonalds

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Submitted by John Vibes via TheAntiMedia.org,

In the state of Oregon, where marijuana for recreational purposes was legalized just over a month ago, there are already more retail marijuana shops than there are McDonald’s or Starbucks.

According to Oregon’s Health Authority, there are 281 marijuana businesses in the state due to the fact that there was already a vast network of medical dispensaries there. When legalization kicked in, these dispensaries were able to quickly repurpose themselves as retail outlets. This allowed the industry to grow much quicker in Oregon than it did in Colorado or Washington.

In Oregon, there were over 250 medical marijuana dispensaries that were immediately able to sell to recreational customers, while in Colorado there were just 24 retailers open on the first day of legalization — and Washington had only four.

In fact, in Oregon, the cannabis industry is already becoming as visible as major fast food corporations, with more locations in the state than both Starbucks and McDonald’s. They have 248 and 205 locations, respectively.

It is important to mention that many different businesses and owners make up the 281 marijuana shops across the state, while Starbucks and McDonald’s are individual businesses. For example, the total number of marijuana shops are not being compared to the total number of fast food or coffee shops, but to specific fast food and coffee corporations. However, it still shows how marijuana is quickly becoming a very important part of the economy and of pop culture.

According to Business Insider, Oregon already has the second-highest number of medical marijuana patients, running close behind Colorado.

The state sold over $11 million dollars worth of marijuana in the first week of legalization. The sales in Oregon in the first week actually outshined both Colorado and Washington.

In Colorado, sales reached nearly $5 million in the first week, while Washington retailers made just $2 million in that state’s first week of sales.

As with the retail locations in Colorado and Washington, many of Oregon’s shops are concentrated in major cities like Portland, with only a few locations in rural areas.

The growing marijuana industry is not only extremely lucrative, but it is also a more gender-equal environment than many other businesses. As we reported last month, there are more female executives in the marijuana industry than there are in any other industry.

 

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Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:49 | 6792889 Money Counterfeiter
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Pass  the joint.  

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:56 | 6792921 Takeaction2
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And......which one is better for you??  One causes cancer, the other cures it.... Hmmm.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:02 | 6792946 Ignatius
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You're thinking wrong, Donald.  An astute businessman would set about locating his new franchise McMunchiesTM next to the dispensaries.  Win, win.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:05 | 6792972 toady
Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:23 | 6793037 El Oregonian
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I really can't see that. I guess it's gotten a bit HAZY around here...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:33 | 6793074 giggler321
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Well so long as they all pay they fair taxes I ain't bothered

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:52 | 6793157 Pure Evil
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Party on Garth!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:15 | 6793761 Boris Alatovkrap
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Which is it? McDonald or Starbuck...?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:43 | 6793852 Stainless Steel Rat
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Can't wait to move there.

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 09:52 | 6795428 old naughty
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who'd have thought, not food safety, health, but weed becoming Mac's worry!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:55 | 6793176 oddball
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MOAR FUCKING TAXES!!!  

 

Get the givernment out of our lives...

 

Fuck off statist.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 21:22 | 6794345 FreeMoney
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+1 for "givernment"

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:28 | 6793336 Bananamerican
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the sheep are gonna need pot for what's coming...

"..there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon..."

-Aldous Huxley

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:00 | 6792947 Two-bits
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OT:Left hand Paris while the right hand does what?

 

Maybe this: 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The head of the International Monetary Fund says she supports adding China to an exclusive club of the world's top currencies.

Christine Lagarde said Friday that she supports findings by staff at the IMF that China's currency, the yuan, meets the criteria for inclusion in the basket of currencies used in the fund's operations...The recommendation now will go before a vote by the IMF board on Nov. 30.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHINA_IMF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:27 | 6793052 El Oregonian
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A Tisket-A-Tasket, The Yuan's in the Basket...

Turn out the lights, America.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:15 | 6793172 Pure Evil
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I think somebody already hit the light switch back in 2008 or was it 2000?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:02 | 6793209 SeattleBruce
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"Never let a crisis go to waste."

Rahm Emmanuel 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:17 | 6793767 Boris Alatovkrap
Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:00 | 6793485 Kirk2NCC1701
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Marijuana: "Oregano from Oregon.  Oregonian Green Tea.  Oregonian Chai..."

You smoke it, and you're Ore-gone.  

Bet ya they grow it in Damascus, OR and smoke it in Boring, OR.  Look it up, if you don't believe me these towns don't exist (just SE of Portland).

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 02:52 | 6794960 glenlloyd
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Yes but are there more weed shops than taverns / bars / pubs / et al?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:50 | 6792896 A Lunatic
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Access to Marijuana is a right. "Put it on my EBT".........

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:53 | 6792909 DetectiveStern
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I wonder when we'll see weed futures selling.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:00 | 6792942 LawsofPhysics
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no spoon motherfucker, no spoon... 

"markets"..  LOL!  that always cracks me up!  even for the weed "market".

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:11 | 6792995 scraping_by
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The Ohio election on legalization failed because it tried to make it a corporate monoply. So, yeah, the market matters.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 19:49 | 6794048 Stainless Steel Rat
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Weed futures will come in on the first weed bubble, to allow shorts.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:01 | 6792950 Global Hunter
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Unlike gold/silver they wouldn't manipulate the price lower with paper weed shorts would they?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:07 | 6792965 Ignatius
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Actually, that happened to me once, and if I ever see that cheap MF again....

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:51 | 6792899 Surging Chaos
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I'm glad to see pot finally legalized here but I wish it was legal just for the sake of being legal. The state only cares about pot now because they want another source of tax revenue for our shitty schools.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:54 | 6792913 LawsofPhysics
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relax, "laws" that cannot be enforced are less than useless and you cannot steal what does not exist in the first place...

From where I sit, I have seen an explosion in all things "underground".

Much like alcohol, proving the source before a judge and jury is impossible.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:10 | 6793538 mkkby
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I believe in oregon you can grow your own.  How's that for avoiding taxes and jacked up pricing?

In washington you can buy it at AN APPROVED STORE, loaded down with mandatory video surveillance.  But you can't grow your own plants.  The state demands their protection racket be paid off.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:10 | 6792990 Sudden Debt
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It's drugs and it dumbs you down.

Dopeheads love that it's legalized because they think it will all be cheaper. Morons.

If I ever catch my kids with it, I'll beat them with a stick and throw them out of the house.

But I've already toucht them that only dumbed down stupid people without a future use it so I think they're good.

And like you said, you just wanted it to be legalized to be legal and cheaper. The weed made you stupid enough to think that taxes wouldn't apply and couldn't make it more expensive.

Before you know it, you'll only be able to buy the bad crappy weed and the good stuff will go to those with money.

And then you'll complain and talk about the good old days.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:27 | 6793049 FIAT CON
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I sure hope you don't drink any alcohol, because not only will you be a hypocrite, but you will be consuming the more dangerous drug than the one your willing to assault your children over...Learn my friend learn!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:06 | 6793234 Sudden Debt
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It's typical for dopeheads to compaire everything to justify their cause.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:25 | 6793329 FIAT CON
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SD. I have read many of your posts and agree with much of what you say, but your views on this topic are uneducated and just plain wrong.

 I do not consider myself a dopehead and I have no case to justify...

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:32 | 6793370 Sudden Debt
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Drugs is bad, don't use it. That's all I have to say.

 

And for all those morons who say all that crap about all these wonderfull effects it has:

WHY DON'T YOU USE THE MEDICAL NON HALLUCINATING KIND?!?!?

 

It has all the "good" effects and y

et it's not popular...

And that's why it's clear that it's all just about the tripping part.

 

And those morons who think it's all naturel?

Most weeds go in a chemical bath to strengten the hallu effects. Hey don't even realize they're smoking crazy chemicals.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:39 | 6793621 Implicit simplicit
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You need some marijuana interventiom SD

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:17 | 6793766 NuckingFuts
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In a past life I grew some those weeds in question. Totally organically, no chemical bath ( I have never heard that one), to suggest that most is tainted with chemicals is just wrong and an ignorant idea to be telling others.

I too enjoy your posts SD but on this issue I don't think you know what you are talking about, probably best not to comment then spread false information.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 19:50 | 6794011 Sudden Debt
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One of the most commonly used chemical they spray on the plants is K2 which is concentrated synthethic tetrahydrocannabinol and sometimes also quinine.

The effects of the weed is increased and it has a handy little side effect that common weed doesn't have!

It's addictive, both are. And that's what provides a more relyable revenue stream.

In my college years I had a girlfriend who sold that crap. 


Sun, 11/15/2015 - 01:25 | 6794852 StychoKiller
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Probably confusing "weed" with tobacco, which is usually treated with all manner of "flavor enhancers!"

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 19:51 | 6794052 gladius17
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"Drugs is bad, don't use it. That's all I have to say."

You are an uneducated jackass.

The War on Drugs is lost. The people on drugs won. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

"Most weeds go in a chemical bath to strengten the hallu effects."

No they don't. Dumb ass.

Weed is not a hallucinogen. Dumb ass.

I don't know why we have to fight overseas for oil. The amount of hot air coming out of your mouth and the mouths of like minded fools is enough to power America for half a century.

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 05:16 | 6795082 JAFAH
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Is SD a refernce to sudden debt or stupid dick who is so scared of a plant he threatens violence against his family.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:29 | 6793058 Demdere
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Your ignorance is astounding.  Do you have any idea of the # of Nobel Prize winners who use cannabis?

Policing costs go down when cannabis is legalized.  Drug deaths go down when cannabis is legalized.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/08/14/prepare-for-big-weed/

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/01/10/i-stand-before-you-wonderf...

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/05/16/civilizations-great-counte...

Any intelligent government could improve a city quickly and easily just by changing a few things :

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/a-modern-approach-to-secur...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:06 | 6793226 Duc888
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"Do you have any idea of the # of Nobel Prize winners who use cannabis?"

 

Barry does, Choom gang and all.  He never saw a wedding party he didn't want to evaporate.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:10 | 6793263 Sudden Debt
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Drug deaths go down... even that doesn't really sound that good at all.

What about don't do drugs in general? That's what you call ignorance?

You're a addict! Drug addicts send their children into prostitution, steal, kill... I don't use drugs at all and you call that ignorance?

 

Honestly, if a cop shoots down people like you, I just pull up my shoulders, smile and continue what I'm doing.

People like you make me sick. And when I see people like you in the gutter, all I care about is not getting my shoes dirty when I walk over your face.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:36 | 6793389 FIAT CON
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You dont use drugs at all?

Do you drink?

 If your kids choose to use alcohol would that be ok?

Do you have friends that use alcohol?

 It's funny, the last sentence "Do you have friends that use alcohol?" the word "use" makes it sound like it is a drug and you are a user of a drug. but if you cahnge the word to drink  it seems much better. 

 Anyways do you have friends that drink?

Would you, and do you treat people who use alcohol the same as you would someone who uses marijuana?

 Does Hypocrite mean anything to you?

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 19:53 | 6794059 gladius17
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Let alone the most widely abused drug in America: caffeine.

In Air Force basic training, I got recycled 2 weeks for buying caffeine pills for my flight, to help them stay awake. The reason? It's dangerous. It kills people.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:19 | 6793308 Sudden Debt
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What a load of crap. No wonder police needs to be brutal in America with morons like you.

People like you only learn by getting a beating once a while.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:55 | 6793401 Demdere
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Mark Twain said "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled".

Americans have been subjected to drug propaganda since Anslinger in 1920, fear of drugs has been a major mechanism of gaining power by our central governments.

I think that if each of you looked at the evidence, e.g. a few dozen real people like Allie :

https://youtu.be/lQZFo0Ctq6E

You would change your minds, if they are changable. But others are, your opinions are less and less relevant as others connect theirs to reality.

Your views are not wise, imho, nor mildly and civily expressed. How can you be contributing to the advance of civilization?  The civilization that so valued cannabis up until American Temperence and out of control government.

Also, thinking about this a bit more while getting coffee, I realized that I should treasure such comments. You make it easy to appear a person whose web site people should read.

That was a warning to everyone that sequences like this are a standard propaganda technique.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/memo-aga-cio-to-chief/

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:39 | 6793406 FIAT CON
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Careful SD... you just lost a whole lot of respect on this board from your outdated and uneducated views here...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:20 | 6793777 NuckingFuts
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I agree, SD always seemed OK with me, but needs to let this one go. His opinion seems based on propaganda, fear and disinformation.

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 07:14 | 6795154 LongMarch
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Come on, cut the guy some slack. Everyone is willfully wrong about something. Sadly, he choses to be wrong about this.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 19:28 | 6793982 lesamourai
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You're the moron.

The police don't need to be brutal with moronic citizens like you to do their work for them.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 19:54 | 6794065 gladius17
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"People like you only learn by getting a beating once a while."

People like you only learn by catching a round to the forehead.

Your day is coming, prick.

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 01:29 | 6794855 StychoKiller
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Keith Richards has been doing all manner of droogs for over 50 years (including tobacco and booze!), I should be so lucky to be in such fine fettle as he!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:48 | 6793136 tongue.stan
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I find it perplexing that a "libertarian" could have a problem with legalized pot.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:03 | 6793216 Surging Chaos
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That's because he's not an actual libertarian.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:27 | 6793593 tongue.stan
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It's doubly bizarre that he posts a hundred times a day for 5 years and 34 weeks to a website like this.

A super dedicated longterm troll?

Deep undercover NSA dickweed?

OMFG LOL!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:21 | 6793274 Sudden Debt
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Americans:

 

First they became lazy

Then they became fat

Then they became dopeheads

 

And we have to be surprized that people call you a lazy fatass dumass dopehead?!?

HA!

I tought this was a economic website, not a dopehead convention!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:34 | 6793384 Bananamerican
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jeez SD, I like your posts too but... did the Reefer Man piss in your Cheerios when you were a kid?

I think the sudden widespread support for legalization amounts to another form of population sedation by TPTB myself, but your rhetorical style here is embarrassing...to YOU

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:58 | 6793481 ChickenTrain
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SD = another brick in the wall..

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 19:55 | 6794069 gladius17
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"I tought(sic) this was a economic website"

I don't think you do as much thinking as you think.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:57 | 6793178 oddjob
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Hemp is fabric, fuel, food and medicine. No doubt such child beating vitriol like yours is to be expected.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:03 | 6793220 dirty belly
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Write to your congressman or directly to the drug company that manufactures marijuana and ask them to stop the manufacture of marijuana.  Pretty simple solution.

Now see this:

Uploaded on Aug 15, 2010

Produced by the US Government in 1942...Interesting to learn that Dupont Chemical funded the anti- hemp / marijuana effort. This is because they had patents on new synthetic fibers and Hemp had a new machine that would put them out of business if hemp were to be used for clothes. Dupont also sold - and still does many of the chemicals to wood pulp producers... so we continue to cut down forests... when Hemp could save millions of trees, be used as an alternative bio fuel and the US could easily grow enough hemp to eliminate the need for oil... so Big oil does not want hemp legal either. Neither do the drug companies... they can't patent it. They would rather keep selling you their drugs. By keeping it illegal the lawyers, courts etc... also make a buck. You can only get high from the female flower - nobody has ever died from smoking a joint. Of course the alcohol and tobacco companies would prefer to keep their monopoly as well. So we have all the BIG Corporate players... against legalizing it. Yet if it were legalized - we would solve many issues and have a multi billion dollar hemp economy as it can be used for 1000's of products.

https://youtu.be/W0xHCkOnn-A

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:28 | 6793344 Gypsy Ramono
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SuddenDebt, fucking A! Drugs are for losers! I'd beat the crap outta my kids if I caught them smokin' weed! Fuckin' dope heads. Who has ever benefited from smoking weed? Ok, just a few losers like Paul MaCarteny, John Lennon, Steve Jobs, Oliver Stone, Hugh Heffner, Johnny Depp, Martha Stewart, Bill Clinton, Morgan Freeman, Bill Gates all of them TWO TIME LOSERS! Weed makes you stupid and it has no use other than to destroy your brain cells. Except if you want to make rope, paint, clothes, food, plastics, fuel and 25,000 other useless things.

Fuck I need a JD and coke and cigarette after all that. Yeh fuck weed! Fuck drugs!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:50 | 6793457 adr
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Actually that list is full of losers and quite a few of them are psychotic sociopaths. Somebody can be a billionaire and still be worth less than a single spitball to humanity. The world would have lost nothing it Steve Jobs was never born. Apple has had aa complete negative effect on humanity, not positive. 

Rubber has thousands of uses, it also gives you a high if you breathe in the vapors while it burns. Plus it is natural from a tree.

Go smoke some rubber.

My brother is law smokes pot almost every day and is a worthless pile of shit. He hasn't been able to hold any job for more than six months. If a job takes any skill or causes any stress, he just flakes out. The greatest accomplishment any of his clan of friends made was moving out of mom's basement.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:01 | 6793498 MeBizarro
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Smoking rubber resin would kill you and glad to see you sample size of '1' and limited personal experiences enable you to make speaking generalizations about society as a whole. 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:45 | 6793636 Gypsy Ramono
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I think ADR was referring to "smokin' rubber" as in a burnout. I smoke rubber all the time in my Hot Rod! Call me old fashioned, but I think it would be healthier to smoke a joint of weed than a joint of rubber. I once knew someone who smoked grass every day and he became really rich - he won lotto!

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 00:24 | 6794752 Pickleton
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"But I've already toucht them "

*Cough* Pervert.

 

"only dumbed down stupid people without a future use it so I think they're good"

 

Well I write software for a living.  A career that requires CONSTANT learning.  I'll bet I may even make more money than you do with a 2 year degree and 6 figures a year.  Oh, and I smoke sometimes.  And I definitely prefer it to booze.  Basically, you're one of them low-info so-called small govt conservatives that believes in your own brand of police state big govt. So if the weed makes you stupid and you don't partake, then what's your excuse?

 

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:03 | 6793505 Kirk2NCC1701
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 Now that's a Green Economy we can believe in!

Wait till the local cops and traffic courts can figure out that they can make a bundle for Dope-caused DUIs.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:52 | 6792902 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, give the people what they want, roll the motherfucking guillotines!!!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:54 | 6792914 wulf
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All America needs is young people with reduced thinking, memory, and learning functions.

"A study showed that people who started smoking marijuana heavily in their teens and had an ongoing cannabis use disorder lost an average of eight IQ points between ages 13 and 38. The lost mental abilities did not fully return in those who quit marijuana as adults. Those who started smoking marijuana as adults did not show notable IQ declines (Meier, 2012)"

Cannabis is for idiots.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:56 | 6792927 Takeaction2
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And Alcohol..?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:03 | 6792959 cheech_wizard
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It does a body good...

Standard Disclaimer: Legalize "disco biscuits"...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:15 | 6793288 oddjob
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Alchoholics generally look 20 years older than they actually are.

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 01:36 | 6794864 StychoKiller
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My cousin and very good friend died from a seizure, related to years of alcohol abuse.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:57 | 6792931 Global Hunter
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do you have a record collection?  Better throw it out because every one of those records was made by some idiot high on drugs (borrowing an idea from Bill Hicks).

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:59 | 6793192 Pure Evil
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No wonder I can hear Satan speaking when I play the records backwards.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:50 | 6793880 Gypsy Ramono
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They don't call it the "Devil's Weed" for nothing! Weed also makes you laugh and lose your inhibitions. Girls who smoke weed are more than likely to become promiscuous i.e. easier to fuck if they are stoned! I find this really disgusting and to make matters worse cannabis aids in mind blowing sex! Something to do with cannabinoid receptors in our brains? I bet Satan invented weed to influence musicians to write mind-bending music and corrupt society. Just look at Pure Evil smoking a joint!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:30 | 6793062 FIAT CON
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A friend of mine started smoking Maryjane when he was 11 and has smoked a considerable amount his whole life, he is now 53, is a very successful business man in a very technical field, and probably the smartest man I know...

 

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:55 | 6793667 FIAT CON
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How can anyone down vote these facts?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:35 | 6793084 atomicwasted
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Cannabis is for idiots. So is making it illegal. One does not follow from the other. Evangelical Protestantism makes you stupid too, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:30 | 6793601 oddjob
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Torn between red and green here, but since idiot is entirely subjective term, I'll give it green for trying to offend as many people as possible by agreeing with them.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:50 | 6793140 Demdere
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No, cannabis is for someone who needs to feel better.  That is what it is, THC is the same chemical that our brains use for pleasure, satisfaction, feeling good, a neurotransmitter.

It has few side-effects compared to the other feel-good drugs that affect the serotonin systems, e.g. cocaine, heroin, etc.

Many people of all intelligences use cannabis, some heavily and continuously.

We gave some to an older relative recently, she has a lot of pain problems.  It let her sleep well through the night for the first time in a long time.

Most everything anyone in middle America knows about cannabis is a result of our government's propaganda on the subject, which began in the 1920s and continues today.

If you want to know what is really going on, go look at thngs like this :

https://youtu.be/lQZFo0Ctq6E

You can see real people telling your their experiences, and doing it over long periods of time.  Does that girl seem like an idiot, to get dumber with cannabis use?

Some of the smartest and most productive programmers I know write all of their code while stoned.  (I am not in either group.) You can't do that without building tolerance, I think, but many do.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:26 | 6793332 Sudden Debt
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People feel like they need to be entertained to death these days and want to feel good every moment of the day.

And the more they try, the more depressed they are.

These dopehead all like to make it sound so good while they're in momma's basement because they can't make a living while life is passin them by.

A lost generation who everybody will forget.

Useless garbage.

These are the people we won't need in a new society. Worthless bums.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:01 | 6793495 Demdere
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Everything you said is over-generalization and wrong.  Proveably so.

Your mind has simpler sterotypes than most, concepts less adorned with attributes, than most minds, I conjecture.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:06 | 6793721 FIAT CON
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So tell me the children that you threaten to beat with a stick, are they Dr's? Are they soliving the human races problems?

 Or are they in your basement jobless, stoned and scared shitless that if their loving father finds out they will be beaten and he will walk over their face?

 

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 00:31 | 6794768 Pickleton
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"These dopehead all like to make it sound so good while they're in momma's basement because they can't make a living while life is passin them by"

 

Well, at least you didnt spout off stupid reefer madness generalizations instead of actually making an argument.

 

"Useless garbage."

 

Over

 

"Worthless bums."

 

and over again.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:31 | 6793363 adr
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My cousin started smoking pot at 14 and turned into a complete idiot and started stealing from everyone. Even if pot were legal, he'd still be stealing to buy it. He stole a $1500 necklace from my wife's jewelry box and probably traded it for $50 worth of pot.

Stoners think they are smarter while they smoke cannabis, but they aren't. Every stoned person I see turns into an imbecile when they are high. Same thing as people who get drunk. If you are surrounded by drunks, but aren't drunk yourself, all you see is how stupid everyone acts.

Half the math majors at college with me were stoners. Those guys thought they were smarter with it. Instead they just failed out. One of my best friends went from being an A student as a freshman to failing out as a junior after one year of unlimited pot from the fraternity he joined.

Yes marijuana can help cure some disease and small amounts can be good for you. But why then have they been growing strains specifically to increase the THC levels then? The only purpose for that is to give you a greater high. Not really the glorious smokin for health angle.

Reality is that all drugs, alcohol included, aren't good for you. 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:55 | 6793474 FIAT CON
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I would like to say that it is really easy to say that someone started smoking pot and turned into this or that... Can it possibly be that he was an idiot to begin with?

If a man wastes his life and is a loser is that ok?

But if the same man uses maryjane then immediatly it is the maryjane that did it to him...

I will bet that 99% of you people that are against maryjane know very little about it!

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:09 | 6793741 r0mulus
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FIAT CON, I commend you for fighting the good fight on this thread. Doubly-so since you have managed to do so without invoking ad hominem arguments where some are obviously deserved.

Weed should be legal. It helps free your mind, heal your body, and heal your soul. It fights cancer. It aids creativity. It enchances sex.

No one need use it if they don't want to, but it is an unquestionable strike against liberty to deny others their right to consume and produce it.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:37 | 6793829 FIAT CON
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Well Said My friend!+100

After smoking it for 42 years and I am 53 I think I know a little bit about it.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:53 | 6793658 FIAT CON
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I honestly dont think you are educated in the maryjane field to be talking this way....

Did it ever occur to you that he always was an idiot?

Pot doesn't make you an idiot.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:02 | 6793702 FIAT CON
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And so all of the non smokers are much much more inteligent and are actively leading the world away from corrupt politicians and big corporations?

They are also not theives nor bumbs nor fat nor stupid....

Give me a break.

 

 

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 00:26 | 6794758 Pickleton
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"smoking marijuana heavily in their teens "

 

Ahhh, it didn't take long for the strawman cretin to come in yammering about shit nobody is advocating.  Now do the heavy booze usage in teens too.  Oh I'm sorry, I forgot I was talking to a low info hypocrite.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:56 | 6792923 Global Hunter
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Is the "medical" marijuana any good?  I imagine that it would be just another thing for bureaucrats and government to fuck up even if it is just a plant.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:18 | 6793012 kiwigal
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From  what I've read it is chemically different, you can't get high but have the pain relief properties.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:25 | 6793041 Global Hunter
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somebody else told me that a few years ago but it didn't compute with me, as I was thinking "what's the point of that?"  I'm thinking it must be true.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 20:07 | 6794084 gladius17
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Marijuana contains over 60-70 different active chemicals--primarily cannabinoids and terpenes--which interact with the body's endocannabinoid receptors in various ways to produce different effects. delta-9-THC is the primary chemical responsible for the strongest psychoactive effects. There is also cannabidiol (CBD), which seems to have much less psychoactivity, yet still interfaces with the endocannabinoid receptors in the immune system to reduce pain and trigger the body's repair mechanisms. Plus, many cannabinoids including both d9-THC and CBD are antiviral, antifungal, and antibacterial, which also contributes significantly to their healing properties. There are certain varieties of weed which have been developed that are low in THC but high in CBD, and those have received much attention from certain folks who desire healing but for superstitious reasons don't want to get "high." Personally, I have no use for such varieties. I like to get high.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:47 | 6793127 I AM SULLY
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That's total BS. Actually - medical stuff can be STRONGER than the legal stuff, by law.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:28 | 6793046 dirtscratcher
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The pot grown nowadays is exponentially better and more potent than what I smoked back in high school 40 years ago. My brother recently started growing for a medical marijuana dispensery here in So. California. On a recent visit I had a chance to see some up close. Big sticky buds that I could smell when I first got out of my truck. I declined to sample out of fear it would put me in a coma or something. I could swear that I almost got a buzz just being up close to it.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:11 | 6793268 besnook
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the best pot i ever smoked was in the 70s. both times out of nyc. blackish green heaven. there was a lot of good reefer around back then if tou had a source from jamaica or columbia. but you are right. there is a lot more very good pot on the street today.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:19 | 6793309 cheech_wizard
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Hard to say... where were you 40 years ago? East COast or West Coast?

Compare and Contrast:

Today this is all so much bullshit... http://www.thecannabist.co/2014/05/27/25-top-marijuana-favorite-strains/...

Yesteryear it was Alcapulco Gold, Panama Red, Jamaican, Colombian, and Thai Stick. <--- To me, this wins hands down.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 20:09 | 6794106 gladius17
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The best pot today is no better or worse than what you just listed. But there certainly is far more variety.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:57 | 6793480 FIAT CON
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The pot grown nowadays is exponentially better and more potent than what I smoked back in high school 40 years ago"

So that means you smoke less...

 If you drink 90% alcohol instead of 40% alcohol you just use less in your drink don't you?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:29 | 6793803 NuckingFuts
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Yes, the "it's stronger today" argument is total BS. One smokes much less of it. Why don't people think through this shit? Smoking a few hits vs a whole joint is a health benifit, not a negative.

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 17:18 | 6796935 Radical Marijuana
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For many, the commercial availability of better marijuana appears to be a fact. However, for a few, there were always as excellent concentrates as there are now. Nothing basic has changed, except the market.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:56 | 6792925 PhiBetaZappa
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Drive-thru window pickups coming soon. 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:52 | 6793156 Demdere
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Even better, our town doesn't allow cannabis dispensaries as stores, so we have dozens of delivery services.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:58 | 6792929 Normalcy Bias
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Yes, keep the peasants sedated so they'll tolerate even more of a systematic buggering!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:02 | 6793210 Pure Evil
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Well.......if you're gonna get buggered, you might as well be high as a kite.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:06 | 6793235 FIAT CON
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I'll bet you keep yourself  sedated with alcohol. Open your mind and learn, take this surveyhttp://chasingthescream.com/how-much-do-you-really-know-about-the-drug-war/

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:57 | 6792930 Blackfox
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Offtopic - the media is reporting that they have found a passport on one of the so-called 'terrorists' - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3318554/Holder-Syrian-p...

 

This is getting beyond a joke...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:12 | 6793000 Hongcha
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CBS News, A.M. 740 San Francisco Bay Area - blaring this morning that a Syrian passport was found.  It appears to me to be mainstream. 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:23 | 6793038 pherron2
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All too predictable, in fact, I think I saw one of our ZHer's make just that prediction in a comment yesterday.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 14:58 | 6792934 Niall Of The Ni...
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Pretty much what you'd expect in a country where the white working class are being encouraged to drink and drug their way to an early grave. Only people who need to be somewhat alert at work need coffee.

Not that I think the world needs another Starbucks.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:58 | 6793186 Demdere
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In other parts of the world, they use cannabis so they can ignore hunger, thirst and work harder.

Cannabis's sole effect is to make you feel good using the body's own chemical to do so.  'High' is apparently the top end of feeling good, and remember we use the word for both?  Brains of very many different knd of organisms apparently like getting high from a wide variety of substances.

Cannabis is one of the most benign.  I told my son that no one should mess with their brain chemistry if they could avoid it, but if they had to get high, cannabis is the way to go.  Pray your kids do their drug experiments with cannabis at home, that is the least risk way of getting through that bit of growing up.

As pain relief, cannabis is far better than anything else I have used.  In fact, the worst thing I can say about it is that it is so good you end up avoiding doing something about the problem for an extra couple of days.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:26 | 6793334 Implicit simplicit
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...and much better for you than getting hammered with alcohol. Many people make the mistake of inhaling shitloads of it ,like during the sixties and seventies. The pot today is so strong. one just needs a toke now and then.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:07 | 6793527 Pure Evil
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One toke over the line sweet Jesus, one toke over the line.....

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:21 | 6792941 JustObserving
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McDonalds food is so toxic that even bacteria cannot process it. Starbucks tries to get you addicted to caffeine and sugar combinations.

So it makes sense that there are more marijuana shops

20-Year-Old Burger From McDonald’s Looks Brand New

McDonald’s Devastates Gut Health In Only 10 Days Lost nearly 1,400 types of bacteria species from gut – that’s nearly 40%

 

Starbucks Uses Bugs To Color Frappuccino

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/1112502639/starbucks-uses-bugs-to-...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:01 | 6792952 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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I guess pun was intended in sentences "This allowed the industry to grow much quicker" and "growing marijuana industry".

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:01 | 6792953 thunderchief
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What's the difference between medical and regular?

Do they put a red cross on the medical bag?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:07 | 6793240 Pure Evil
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Medical means you have to pay another middle man, the doctor, to score some bud while paying taxes to the state for the pleasure of using one of God's natural plants.

Regular you just have to pay the dope dealers to get it here and sell it, plus there's no taxes paid.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:59 | 6793489 FIAT CON
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Nothing!

Sun, 11/15/2015 - 17:22 | 6796947 Radical Marijuana
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Medical marijuana became "black pot" that was acceptable because it came wrapped in the white lab coat of a medical doctor. Industrial hemp became "albino pot," etc. ... In general, there is an extremely strong and deep analogy between different races of human beings and different kinds of cannabis.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:02 | 6792956 Sudden Debt
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Yeah, let's change society in sodom and gomora and everything will be fine.

Dopeheads and alcoholics... grandpa and ma would be proud...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:03 | 6792958 venturen
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Imagine how healthy they will be...and then the plummeting suicides, great eye sight...Oh the benefits

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:04 | 6792964 yogibear
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Americans are really in a stupor now.

Watching endless kardashian series while high for weeks.

Prime time for a dictator/tyrant.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:08 | 6793246 Pure Evil
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Hillary......destiny is calling!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:05 | 6792968 henry chucho
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It's like the 60's all over again,only this time,the Pigs and Bankers smoke all the weed,and pound all the porno girls,and the Hippies hide out in the woods,waiting for the world to end..

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:25 | 6793042 22winmag
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You may be glamourizing both the 60s and present day a bit. Let's not forget the cold war, hot wars and race riots.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:10 | 6792993 The Spanish Amb...
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In the state of Oregon, where marijuana for recreational purposes was legalized just over a month ago....glad they are not going to jail for smoking a dube.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:18 | 6793022 22winmag
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Psychoactive green shoots!

 

What a shitshow.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:34 | 6793075 GooseShtepping Moron
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The term "medical marijuana" is a euphemism. It's complete horse-shit. There is no known disease that marijuana treats or prevents. The best that can be claimed for it is a vague prophylaxis against pain and nausea. (And even that much I don't buy. Personally, whenever I smoked it, it always made me nauseous; and besides, there are plenty of other drugs that treat those things). Medical marijuana was always a camel's nose for complete recreational decriminalization. The ironic thing is, drugs like cocaine, amphetamines, barbituates, and opiates all have accepted medical uses and can greatly alleviate human suffering, including psychological suffering. Marijuana does not have an accepted medical use and is pretty much a one-dimensional stupifying agent, and yet that's the one they decide to legalize. It's ridiculous.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:44 | 6793113 I AM SULLY
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During the 3 weeks of my sister's rapid death from stage 4 cancer in 2012, the ONLY peace she had during that time was because of medical marijuana. Sorry - but you are full of shit.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:39 | 6793410 adr
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She still died though. "Medical Marijuana" didn't do a damn thing.

All the marijuana did was ease her suffering. The same thing high doses of opiates would have done.

If you really wanted to ease her suffering you would have put a pillow over her face. Three weeks of agony isn't worth it.

Don't try to justify getting high using the my family member felt better because of it crap.

And yes I had to watch many family members die excruciating deaths. My mother made me promise to kill her if she was going to have to die an excruciating death. 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:55 | 6793471 MeBizarro
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You  have some really misguided and often violent solutions to isuses. Besides the potential drug-drug or drug-allergy interactions, there are lots of side effects and issues with people on massive doses of opiates especially if they are taking multiple opoids. 

As for easing suffering, pain management is often the biggest concern in any care plan for a terminal patient whether they are in a hospice, home, or in the hospital. 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:53 | 6793770 FIAT CON
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You would rather someone take an halucinagetic drug that is extremely addictive and gets you way way higher than Maryjane!

I always love this topic, you can really seperate the open minded willing to learn people from the closed minded ones  (the one that seem to know everything about maryjane but no little).

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:55 | 6793180 FIAT CON
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Have you ever smoked weed? and I don't mean once! And I dont mean after a bunch of harmful Alcoholic drinks!

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:07 | 6793244 besnook
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thank you for the post reefer madness update.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:10 | 6793262 Pure Evil
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Well......he does have his Gestapo uniform on!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 20:16 | 6794114 gladius17
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"There is no known disease that marijuana treats or prevents."

Marijuana is by far the best drug on the planet for glaucoma.

Jesus Christ used marijuana (in the Holy Anointing Oil, whose formula was passed down by Moses from the Egyptians) to heal leprosy and a host of other conditions. The active ingredients in marijuana are antiviral, antifungal, and antibacterial. It interfaces with the body's immune system and triggers its self-repair mechanisms. You'd know that, if you knew anything. But you don't. Lack of knowledge does not stop you from opening your mouth and spouting your loud opinions, does it?

"Marijuana does not have an accepted medical use"

Accepted by whom? The morons that you hang with?

" and is pretty much a one-dimensional stupifying agent"

That's a really stupid and dumbfuck ignorant thing to say.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:45 | 6793119 homebody
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Give the addicts and pot heads all they want - get the criminals out of the industry.... and reduce the population of non-producers at the same time.  Just stay off the major highways for a while.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 16:06 | 6793232 besnook
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the insurance industry conducted a study to determine the effects of marijuana on driving ability. the study concluded marijuana impaired drivers were safer drivers than straight drivers because high drivers were much more focused on their driving than straight drivers.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:11 | 6793540 Demdere
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That is absolute the experience everywhere cannabis exists.  Ask the police.

Everyone I know is pretty careful not to be real high, but the stuff lasts, same as alcohol.  So sometimes you end up a bit high.  You are very careful because you know you are not in a normal state and you are less confident of everything.

Exactly the opposite with alcohol.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:20 | 6793575 FIAT CON
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but the stuff lasts, same as alcohol"

 Who are you kidding pot doesn't last any where near as long as alcohol.

After smokinga joint you peak for about 15 min (with no Hallucinations) then mellow out for about an hr... then after a couple of hrs you are almost normal.. I dare you to say that about alcohol!

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 20:18 | 6794130 gladius17
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Three ignorant fucks downvoted you.

I smoke every day all day long, and yes, I drive too. Driving stoned is nothing like driving drunk. I wouldn't be afraid to get high and pilot the space shuttle on reentry. (If I were an astronaut, of course...)

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:57 | 6793161 FIAT CON
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I always get a kick out of the non educated in the Marijuana discussions...

Marijuana is something that I think ALL kids have tried, and you either like it or you dont, if you like it you will smoke it wether it is illegal or not.

This fanatical idea that if we legalize it our kids will smoke it or if they legalize it people will drive on it. I have news for you, people already smoke it in your community and there are people driving on it. heck here is the biggest shocker for you to get your head around...It is already in your community and has been for a long time... legalizing it just stops your kids from going to jail... for all of you that think it is the devil, please just open your mind a little, it can be very relaxing, especially at the end of a day, It can help you get a good night sleep without taking some over the counter drug. Is it safe, yes, you can smoke all you want you only get so high and just run out of weed.

 I would much rather my kids were at home in the basement smoking weed than out in the streets getting into trouble.

People do not be Hypocrites, open your mind, try some, you will find it is not what Reefer madness has led you to believe....

http://chasingthescream.com/how-much-do-you-really-know-about-the-drug-war/

The time has come to embrace this drug....

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 17:16 | 6793561 Demdere
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I agree, embrace the drug. 

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/a-modern-approach-to-secur...

We have had 100s of years experimenting with both.  We know how prohibitions of all kinds, artificial barriers to economic and social flows, fubar systems.  We can, nevertheless, bias the world toward better ideas, and be the citizens of the civilization we wnt to inhabit.  I strongly discourage having hard drugs like tobacco in our home.  I tolerate alcohol because so many of the older generations' mindset seem to need it, although I have been noticing a lot more combining them.  Bad to mix drugs, I think.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 18:22 | 6793786 FIAT CON
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The good part of mixing Maryjane with alcohol is that you will consume far less alcohol or you will be asleep a lot sooner. But it may not hurt N. America if it gets more sleep.

 

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 15:52 | 6793162 WilliamShatner
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Hash oil you can vape is the way to go.  Nice mellow, almost euphoric effect with no paranoia, rapid heartbeat or munchie inducing hunger pangs.  Helps me with focus, believe it or not, and keeping the stress in check. 

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