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The False Flag Link: Syrian Passport "Found" Next To Suicide Bomber Was "Definitely A Forgery"
Yesterday, when we explained just how the tragic events in France over the past 48 hours unfolded precisely as we predicted they would two months ago (ironically, as per our post from September 11, 2015) we commented on the oddly fortuitous discovery of an intact Syrian passport found next to the body of one of the suicide bombers, a passport which Greece chimed in as belonging to a Syrian refugee who had entered the country at Leros on October 3, 2015 from where he subsequently travelled all the way to Paris.
Specifically, we said that "we admit to not being experts on the nuances, or even basics, of "suicide bombing for terrorists 101", but is bringing your own passport to an event that will be your last, really that crucial, especially when the passport is such a critical smoking gun?"
The following cartoon best captures the idiocy of anyone actually believing a suicide bomber would have brought their actual passport to what they knew would be their last act on earth.
Shortly thereafter, it was Serbia's turn to join the story of the rogue "Syrian refugee", when the Serbian newspaper Blic published the picture of the alleged Syrian passport belonging to a 25-year-old man named Ahmed Almohamed, and said he had crossed into the country on 7 October, having arrived four days earlier in Leros, Greece, seeking Serbian refugee status.
Then a Greek newspaper, Protothema, said he was travelling with a second man, Mohammed Almuhamed, and published pictures purporting to show their travel documents. The Guardian proposed the following map to track Ahma's progress across Europe:
And then a few hours ago, the story took an even more surreal twist when we learned that, according to both French and US sources, the passport was "definitely a forgery."
BREAKING: French police source says Syrian passports are 'definitely forgeries' and fakes can be purchased easily for few hundred dollars.
— The Int'l Spectator (@intlspectator) November 15, 2015
Paris police sources say the 2 Syrian passports found on the terrorists were fakes probably made in Turkey
— Jon Snow (@jonsnowC4) November 15, 2015
According to a US intel source quoted by @CBSNews the #Syria|n passport found after #ParisAttacks might be a fake
— Michael Horowitz (@michaelh992) November 15, 2015
PT: "the passport did not contain the correct numbers for a legitimate Syrian passport and the picture did not match the name."
— Michael Horowitz (@michaelh992) November 15, 2015
Some more details courtesy of IBTimes:
The Syrian passport recovered from near one of the Paris attackers may be fake, a US intelligence official told CBS news. The document did not contain the correct numbers for a legitimate Syrian passport and the picture did not match the name, said the official.
The passport found near the body of one of the eight attackers who struck on Friday, 13 November, was used to enter the European Union through Greece in October. The Serbian interior ministry said that the passport was used to enter that country on 7 October, by a man claiming refugee status.
So how to make sense from a story that has drifted from the merely laughable, to the bizarre, to the outright surreal? Guardian's Patrick Kingsley attempts an explanation:
There are several reasons why it’s worth waiting until all the facts are known before making too strong a link between the attacks and the refugee crisis. The first is a general one: on at least 12 occasions, Isis has actually criticised refugees for fleeing to Europe. “For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihad, in an online commentary about the 12 outbursts. “The reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled caliphate is a refuge.” It’s therefore unlikely that the vast majority of Syrians fleeing to Europe are Isis supporters, since their actions are in obvious contravention of the group’s creed.
The second reason for caution is more specific. Investigators still need to verify the Syrian passport was carried by an attacker rather than a dead bystander (one Egyptian passport-holder initially believed to be an assailant turned out to be an injured victim). They will then need to be certain that the passport’s carrier was the same as the passport’s legitimate owner.
It’s possible that it was stolen. Since the possession of a Syrian passport makes it easier to claim asylum in Europe, there is a busy trade in stolen Syrian documents. Syrians interviewed on Greece’s border with Macedonia have described how they were mugged for their passports after leaving the Greek islands as they tried to make their way north through the Balkans. Such passports can be sold on for as much as several thousand euros, in a trade that the EU’s border agency acknowledges is a growing problem. Forgeries are also common; a Dutch journalist recently had one made in the name of his prime minister.
A third red flag is the fact that the passport concerned was found in the first place. Analysts find it strange that a bomber would remember to bring his passport on a mission, particularly one who does not intend to return alive. “Why would a jihadist who expressly rejects all notions of modern citizenship take his passport on a suicide mission?” tweeted Charlie Winter, an analyst focusing on Islamist extremism. “So it gets found.”
One theory is that Isis hopes to turn Europe against Syrian refugees. This would reinforce the idea of unresolvable divisions between east and west, and Christians and Muslims, and so persuade Syrians that Islamic State’s self-proclaimed caliphate is their best hope of protection. “You know what pissed off Islamist extremists the most about Europe?” summarised Iyad El-Baghdadi, an activist and jihadi-watcher, on Twitter. “It was watching their very humane, moral response to the refugee crisis.”
His conclusion:
"Whether the passport was planted, stolen, forged or genuine, investigators should find out the truth soon enough. But regardless of what they discover, a wider debate has now begun about the wisdom of letting so many unknown migrants enter Europe through its southern borders, and being allowed to move onwards through the continent with few restrictions. Already, there are calls to step up the policing of Greece’s maritime border with Turkey, and to block the passage of refugees entirely."
What is becoming clear is that either the passport was planted, or is a fake, or both. But while we agree with the Guardian that this shift in narrative will have an impact against the future flow of refugees into Europe, an even more acute consequence will from the "Syrian" angle will be to "incept" the idea that the entire Paris massacre was the result of events in Syria (and hence, al Assad is directly and indirectly responsible) thus generating goodwill toward a military operation that include a French ground force. In fact, the wheels are already in motion:
France may send its "expeditionary force" to Syria in order to retaliate against ISIL, according to the US-based intelligence firm Stratfor; the group has claimed responsibility for Friday's terrorist attacks in Paris, which claimed at least 129 lives.
Analysts from the private intelligence company Stratfor believe that France may send its "expeditionary force" to Syria or Iraq in response to the deadly Paris attacks that rocked the French capital on Friday night. They claimed that France has a whole array of options for retaliation "at its disposal", but that the country's response will depend on "who was ultimately responsible" for the Friday attacks.
"If it is found that the Islamic State core group was indeed behind the November 13 attack, France will likely ramp up its Syrian air operations," Stratfor said.
In light of this, Stratfor analysts predicted that France may increase its programs to train and support anti-Islamic State forces in Iraq and Syria, or even to carry out "commando strikes against key leadership nodes."
"France also has the option of deploying an expeditionary force like it did in the Sahel [region of Africa], although that would probably require outside airlift capacity from NATO allies, especially the United States," Stratfor pointed out.
And the latest surprise, is that moments ago it was Greece again which claimed that despite allegations to the contrary, the passport was, in fact, real. How it "concluded" this remains a mystery...
I find it baffling that they can state that with certainty. https://t.co/bJre21ncCv
— Damian Mac Con Uladh (@damomac) November 15, 2015
@Elena_Kappa That's what they said yesterday. Today ANA has this: pic.twitter.com/wiakElkTHc
— Damian Mac Con Uladh (@damomac) November 15, 2015
... and once again shows that there is a deep political motive on virtually every side to use this human tragedy as a "false flag" event to achieve specific, geopolitical goals.
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Narrative is so convoluted they have no idea how to move it forward.
pods
And fortuitously, they need'nt worry their pretty little heads about it because the French-ified Facebook and Instagram filters are doing it for them.
Quite the Alan Smithee production.
Exactly.
And that is the modus operandi of the spooks and is how one can tell if the crime has intelligence connections. Think of the Seagal movie Under Siege II where the bad guy put hundreds of ghost satellites to hide the real Grazer One. The spooks generate so many narratives that the truth will never be found and if it is,,, it will be years later and few listen and even fewer will care
No, the narrative is simple, Muslims living in Europe aquired weaponry (easy) and killed a large number of unbelievers in revenge for western nations attacking their "brothers".
The response is simple too, but unpalatable, because it involves someone taking a stand and doing something that is politically unacceptable for many, deporting the enemy within.
But who made the decisions to import the enemy? Who is funding the enemy? It has been more than established that ISIS has been funded by those that claim to fight it. This isn't anything new either, they have funded most of these alphabet boogie men. This is a great way to take over nations through the first rule of war/sectarian strife and it also justifies further aggression.
We can't afford this one it may lead to WWIII. Even if the memes were true the strife in Syria/Ukraine/China islands is not worth it, it being the lives of everyone you know.
Here comes the "Asymmetrical Warfare" meme.
"Whether the passport was planted, stolen, forged or genuine, investigators should find out the truth soon enough. But regardless of what they discover, a wider debate has now begun about the wisdom of letting so many unknown migrants enter Europe through its southern borders"
Oh, it's wise all-right. It's really wise. In fact everything politically correct is wise. Just ask your local rabbi.
Paris Attacks Day 2: More Oddities and the Lack of Substantive Eyewitness Videos
http://winteractionables.com/?p=27202
The facts are telling, so are the lack of facts.
No eyewitness video of any kind?
LOL.
This Russian site has a short video of the band playing just as the shooting starts.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
Here's the video
http://video.tvzvezda.ru/zvezda/bl01ugi0000b8c02r8a0xivwf00.flv
Waiting for a flood of videos showing shootings, shooters, victims, blood, police firing back, explosions, ambulances, EMTs, you know, an honest to goodness massacre.
Don't wait. Just look on the Daily Mail.
Don't rush. Wait for the facts.
From the multi-site exercise or from the multi-site attack?
In France the pool of wanna be jihadis is huge, and their parents wouldn't say a thing, a martyr in the family, imagine that! They were probably all "french"
"In France the pool of wanna be jihadis is huge"
So you are saying a large number of people in France want to strap on explosives, shoot innocent people and then blow themselves up?
What percentage of people are willing to shoot to kill an acknowledged enemy, in your opinion?
And a "martyr" also brings the family $$$$. That can be attractive when you have none. What's another son, more or less but this, this is CASH!
We're in for stunning lessons in survival.
In the period between Gulf I and Gulf II, Sadaam Hussain (reportedly) gave the families of suicide bombers (PLO types) a flat $10,000.
Bet inflation has set in there too, seeing that cash is no object to those who have unlimited budgets.
Beware the Lamb!!!
Real, fake. Ah, how about getting Syrian input as it is aledgely their passport. Freaking joke. The puppets never learn.
This would be a great time for Assad to stand up and call BS on the entire narrative, but the Facebook hordes would crucify him immediately, and Obomba's death-mojo would only grow stronger.
It would be even better if Putin and/or China would do it. Being that we may be heading into conflict between nuclear powers... any minute would be great.
Damnit Langley. How many fucking times do we need to emphasize quality control?
The fake passport actually enforces their story, that the terrorists are running rampant and unchecked and "off the grid" so to speak, and therefore must be "stopped".
Now they're impersonating CIA personnel! Can nothing be done to stop them?!
This would be funnier if it weren't true.
Wow...FB sure is fast..everyone had a flag...don't every say FB isn't prepared!
Not to defend FB, they are just another mechanism for mass distraction and Manufacturing Consent. But relax, they have done it before. It takes maybe 15 mins for someone to activate the filter.
Why would a suicide bomber carry a passport? Well, to start with they are idiots, so maybe he figured he would need it get to his virgins. Or, WTF, ask him if you can talk to the dead. A fake passport is not something new in this world so I don't think it has anything to do with ff status.
"Why would a suicide bomber carry a passport?"
Interesting thought exercise. Here's another.
How do you tie a fake passport to a blown up body?
The passport fairy... duh.
Why would a suicide bomber want a good ID on him on the way to his mission ? Because if he gets stopped by the cops along the way , for whatever innocuous reason, he would have to produce some form of ID and a recent immigrant would not have a drivers license yet. No ID would end the mission right there.
Nevermind getting caught with an explosive laden vest or a Kalashnikov - BUT NO PASSPORT?! YOU'RE UNDER ARREST
Many europeans look fatter than someone wearing an explosive vest, and why should the police check the trunk for weapons if they stop the car?
That is a reasonable point, the spooks probably should make sure that their operative nutters have a manufactured passport on them to avoid trouble. That is, unless they are dropping the fuckers off themselves in a Toyota.
Langley fuck up again. The quality of the people is declining rapidly. I have the same problem in hiring
Fuck, passport or no passport it still is a case of some fucking jihadis shooting and killing which is what they do best. You don't understand these fucking assholes. They are zombies. Dead men walking and they want to take you with them
Pay no attention to the man behind the ("jihadi") curtain!!
"still is a case of some fucking jihadis shooting and killing"
And you know it was "jihadis ", how?
He just knows, therefore it is true.
The French 'expeditionary force' should stop off at Gallipoli. There is unfinished business there, from a hundred years ago.
But if proceeding direct to the Syrian coast it would be prudent to check in with Monsieur Putin first.
....from there onto Antioch, then Acre and then Jerusalem.
Assklown
At least Churchill won't be around to fuck Gallipoli II up.
Putin would be on board too - the plan was we take the Dardenelles; Russia takes Istanbul.
Perhaps not just a false flag but a greater misdirection. While high-fives and the sarcasm fly for seeing through this deception, the electronic mind control matrix (Big Brother) that Snowden forgot to mention nears completion 31 years late - it is government work after all.
Completed by only the most expensive non-bidders. I hear Daddy Warbucks has a bum ticker.
French police says the passports are fake. Is this actually reported in the lame stream media?
Sounds to me this false flag has gone wrong (if it was a false flag)
This whole operation is right out of the Operation Gladio playbook. The only question is which of the anti-Assad states was the prime sponsor? (Hint, it wasn't Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Egypt or Russia)
DING DING DING and now we know why it happened.
To push "real id" NWO Identification system ahead of new currency system. . . . http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/10/warhol-666.jpg
I could care less about a passport. Fake or otherwise. I care about who had the most to gain from this attack and it damn sure wasn't ISIS. What I care about is whether or not the US and the CIA created ISIS. IF they did then it's past time to follow the money and start hanging every one of the SOB's involved. I believe there are already laws on the books that cover treason and the penalty for such. Congress and Obama will stand trial for their crimes.
Deep State and Plausible Deniability.
Look at all these cunts scrambling to make political capital from the deaths of innocent people.
Hoo-fucking-ray for our wonderful "leaders". Jokes on them, they just don't seem to be making false flags like they used to. Damn that internet and its collective detective skills and use of logic.
This happened on Hollande's watch.
He is responsible and should step down.
And take the security chain of command with him.
Hear, hear!! Yes, it's amazing how when these things happen, those responsible for intel, defence, interior security, etc, all seem to be unaccountable for their failures.
Hohum. When will 'ISIS' 'attack' the Hexagram? One figures the paymasters for this actors guild will have to keep up appearances at some point. Can't risk being exposed and let centuries of planning go down the drain.
The question remains: WHO benefits in an all out fisticuffs between Mohammedans and the West? Does the Hexagram lose anything in such a scenario?
Actors Guild!!!
LIKE WE BELIEVE THE US AND FRENCH AUTHORITIES. SEND THE MUSLIMS HOME. OBAMA STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION
I suggest Obama goes home first.
Sorry France your false flag is starting to show through loud and clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smq5iQonYeE
Interviewee: Patrick Pelloux, EMT and chronicler at Charlie Hebdo, explains on France Info radio that Paris EMTs were prepared because, "as luck would have it", they'd planned an exercise to train for multi-site attacks on the morning of Nov 13,2015.
Video Transcript: Le hasard a fait, pour vous dire, c'est que le matin au SAMU de Paris, avait été organisé un exercice sur des attentats multisites. Donc on était préparés. Donc ce qu'il faut voir c'est que vous aviez une mobilisation des forces de police, des pompiers, des SAMU, des associatifs qui sont venus et on a essayé de sauver le plus de monde possible.
Wonder when we will see direct evidence of the dead? Pictures, autopsies, interviews with grieving relatives, etc.
Never.
That is another great benefit to the invasive spying apparatus, it keeps real cops and patriots from interfering with their murderous or simulated operations (they do both). Good cops have great senses about them and they know when something is wrong, unless they are in on the plot they need to be kept at a minimum at the location, the same would go for any real journalists/bloggers (unless their going to be on the casuality list). They probably monitor chatter about their drills to prevent obstacles. Sick bastards.
They are pretty good at this but they going to get caught big eventually if this keeps up for long, of course they have already been caught but I mean clown car caught.
Yep Missy! Not to mention that the previous ' head investigative officer ' was nail-gunned dead on refusing to participate in a cover-up.
Yours is the most important comment so far.
On all the big 'false flags' there is an exercise of some type going on.
This is another by the look of it.
Who cares about the passport? The finger from one of the suicide bombers was a French national. Time for Europe to wake up and realize that the only solution is mass deportations.
Most countries in Europe require citizens must have ID on them at all times. So having your terrorist operation foiled because of a random ID check is pretty stupid, this article seems to be oblivious to that fact.
As for the passport being a forgery, I have no trouble believing it, there is not much of a functioning state in Syria to check things so it is going to be easy to claim it is official documentation, but what difference does it make?
The real news is that the attackers came from Belgium and were all living in Europe, the solution isn't to bomb Brussels, but to deport their supporters, all of them.
It is required in the good Ol' USA too!
it couldn't possibly be that the forged syrian passport was used to get a terrorist into europe to enact bombings could it? no we have to go with the out of left field theory that the whole series of events were carefully constructed by the world powers to incite a war of civilizations, or maybe it was the Zionists scum Jews? the simplest explanation is usually the correct one i mean i'm all for hypothesis if there's actually quantitive evidence to support it.
You don't think a passport surviving a massive explosion intact is quantitative evidence that things are not as they appear?
Made in Russia for the Assad's commandos.
SO is this a fake passport in general or fake terrorist passport? Of course, the migrants could use fake passports. Is this what passes for 'intelligence' these days? Showed a guy on BBC who got a fake Syrian passport in 24 hrs. Who wouldnt believe that story?
Now the "need" for RFID bitchez...
you hit the nail on the head pan. we won't be able to control the 'enemy amongst us' so the next step to make us 'safer' is to enact tougher identification and purchasing laws. id cards aren't enough they need something that is unalterable and that will be some form of electronic signature embedded on every human being. enter the Mark of the Beast. people laugh at the bible but things are looking more like what the book of revelation tells every day.
Deep, mountainous Canadian frontier looking better every day.
dummie hand...
http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/7b/d4/0002d47b.jpeg
The fake passport was needed because it is obligatory in France to present an ID if stopped by Police. No ID and you are retained by the flics, especially if you look like a terrorist.
Please Zero Hedge, I say this with respect: You might want to climb back off the limb you're on while you still can.
If this passport really is a forgery, and if it really was being carried by one of the attackers, then that it makes it extremely unlikely that the Paris attacks were a false flag. Nobody is more likely to be carrying a forged (or stolen, or forged and stolen) passport than one of Europe's new wave of alien invaders, among whom there are flurries of dubious documents and no doubt many jihadists.
And furthermore, I have to admit to being completely baffled as to just what this ostensible false flag is supposed to achieve. Are you telling me that the CIA-Neocon-Israeli axis actually desires the election of Marine Le Pen, France's exit from the Eurozone, the collapse of the EU, and the halting of the immivasion? Because that is what's going to happen. What will not happen is increased French support for a ground invasion of Syria while leaving its own borders unprotected, that I can guarantee. So then, how does this comport with the rest of the narrative, viz. that the immivasion, a NATO campaign into Syria, and the political-monetary integrity of the EU, are all desiderata of the same CIA-Neocon-Israeli axis? The conspiracy theories are starting to contradict themselves.
Why would the supposed false-flaggers, whomever they may be, need to go to such Rube-Goldberg lengths to pin the blame on ISIS? Is there anybody else whom the public would likely blame in the first place? Is there anybody else who would openly claim responsibility (as ISIS has)? Is there anybody else who probably fucking did it? What's the motivation here? What's the point?
This certainly is a long and convoluted path to get around what seems to be rather obvious: Terrorist jihadists enter a completely undefended Europe under false pretenses and massacre civilians because they want to and they can. This was the completely predicted and predictable result of Merkel's and the EU's asinine immigration policy. Anybody who will not acknowledge this is, frankly, contributing to the fecklessness of the Western world.
Yep, and the fact that most of the attackers were living in Brussels further destroys the narrative of the need to attack Syria and ISIS.
That fact needs to be hammered home, Hollande shut the borders because he wanted to be seen doing something, and he's yammering on about wiping out ISIS (attacking Syria) because he wants to be seen doing something.
What he absolutely does not want to do is to take a stand against Muslims in his own country, that loses votes, messes with various vested interests in politics and business, and has all kinds of awkward repercussions. Expect several weeks of epic gusts of hot air to eminate from France accompanied by the expenditure of 100's of millions of pounds of hi-tech military ordinance on a few pickup truck driving Jihadi's.
I just hope he has the sense of Irony to declare mission accomplished while standing on the deck of his aircraft carrier when he's finished.
you hit it eddie. here's just one example of the hot air being flatulated by TPTB
As Paris awoke in a state of shock over terrorist attacks that killed at least 129 people and injured over 350 on Friday night, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy spoke out on Saturday to express solidarity with France and to allay fears of potential attacks on Spanish soil.
“There is no cause that can justify yesterday’s atrocity. We are not facing a war of religions, but a battle between civilization and barbarity,” he added.
Um, yes there is Mr. Rajoy. It's them or us.
OK then, a repeat full fledged French Revolution that coincides with America's, not started by the natives.
It makes as much sense as any other scenario I have seen posted here. I mean, based on the information available, one could demonstrate a significant probability. We're merely prognosticating anyway. Why not examine all the outcomes?
"What will not happen is increased French support for a ground invasion of Syria while leaving its own borders unprotected"
So are you saying that the as a result of this the French wont support a ground invasion, or that the French wont support a ground invasion while leaving it's borders unprotected?
These distinctions are important when making predictions. The first prediction is quite a brave one the second one isn't really saying much.
I'm predicting both. The second conjunct pertains to the continuance of the immivasion, while the first pertains to the proffered geopolitical motivations for false-flagging France. Either one by itself would be detrimental to the false flag narrative. They are both required to be true in conjunction for the false flag narrative to remain plausible.
Not necessarily. Bombs go off in Europe resulting in fear and anger further providing support for operations in Syria or other areas of the ME, it's really that simple.
The wave of immigrants preceded imminent Russian operations in Syria and so it's really not clear if that was premeditated far in advance and it may be a side show. The waves of immigrants certainly serves to destabilize Europe (as has Mexican immigration to the US) and may serve a purpose and admittedly is linked to the war in Syria; however, the Syrian motivations can absolutely stand on their own.
Europe has plenty of immigrant problem already and if the population pushes back hard enough, that may be where it stands for now. If the immigrant problem in Europe were to be shut down by the population that would in no way endanger the desired war in Syria. While the two are linked they are not dependent on eachother, unless of course they are saving some assets by evacuating them but that would still not thwart any operations in Syria by state actors that have just justified their involvement.
Glad(io) that we got that all straightened out.
I understand why people knee jerk to the FF or Crisis Actor Staged Event model. It's just that this event doesn't yield the results for why you'd do that.
This event prompts action against the "refugee" invader influx IN FRANCE, not the Isreali ISIS stooges on the loose in Syria.
At least it should.
We are not just looking at France though, we are looking at the EU and possibly even a NATO response.
I understand that.
I see this as a leadership opportunity for France.
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Why would the supposed false-flaggers, whomever they may be, need to go to such Rube-Goldberg lengths to pin the blame on ISIS?
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well you could always ask the same question on 9-11-2001 when passports came fluttering down from the sky in lower manhattan.
just seemed a bit odd to me - not the blowback aspect of the attack, just the miraculous deliverance of a passport. not whether it was forged or real, but that it was scooped up in real time and posted on the media with a "here's our man" narrative
since then, i've always been wary about passports found at crime scenes. call me skeptical I guess. feel free to fast forward to a big pic narrative though.
me? I am wating for the lead detective to put a bullet thru his brain in his office as we saw after charlie hebdo. shit like that happens and as with passports at crime scenes, might happen twice, who knows?
Alas, this is an open forum. Your concern for ZH has been, I am certain, duly noted.
the point is clear from your second to last sentence.
These Jews are literally insane. They will try anything to stoke up "anti-semitism" in Europe and force more of their own to emigrate to "Israel". They can't hope to hold onto their illegally occupied territory out there unless they have the population to hold it. And they won't have the population to hold it until and unless they get a huge upswing in the number of immigrants.
France has the biggest Jewish population in Europe. I predict several "anti-semitic" attacks in France in the coming weeks, in response to this terrorist hoax.
These insane Jews have a tough job on their hands though. Even the Jews in Iran don't want to go there.
"False flag"????
Its shit like this that gives libertarians a bad name.
A group like ISIS that has a big enough infrastructure to conduct military operations and hold territory in Iraq IS sophisticated enough to buy forged passports.
A false passport is THE modus operandi to move people clandestinely from one location to another. It happened during the Cold War all the time.
A fanatical group like ISIS will exploit the current immigration chaos to infiltrate the EU and they are smart enough to use fake passports to do this.
WTF, Zerohedge?
It should also be clear that they have established a network in the EU to support their operations there....that is actually a logical conclusion given their size and resources.
These people are NOT the JV team that Obama claimed they were.
Says the affirmative action intern at ef-bee-eye dot gov.
This is the only footage from thousands of mobiles recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtdnovCHbWs&bpctr=1447606946
Unless you've got access to something else we don't know about?
sounds a bit amateur doesn't it? no silencers? forgot to buy one at monoprix?
Agreed, and I don't even see any merit to arguing false flag versus genuine attack. Well if there is merit it's on the state's side in discrediting libertarians as the lunatic fringe tinfoil hat wearing types that see conspiracy in absolutely everything. The very morning before the attack Obama stated ISIS was contained. Merkel and the rest of the open borders crowd is desperate to save face as nationalists (anti-EU/anti-NWO) are rapidly gaining popularity. If this were a false flag the timing is horrible. I'd hope more people would be upset about what should be the growing realization that ISIS was largely funded, trained, and armed by the US and its allies.
Maybe the Western powers should stop creating Frankensteins? Just a thought.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/isis-cia-creation-justify-war-...
All this talk reminds me of the Winter of '67. For those who can recall, Viet Nam War protests were gaining steam. I will be interested to see if history repeats.
And the Tet offensive began in January '68. I remember.
So we shouldn't question official narratives because our credibility may be at stake? I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Libertarians have been more than maginalized and if there is anything left that one could do for their country it would be exposing the truth.
Credibility is the least of our problems when you have men like Irwin Schiff going down the way he did. Credibility is overrated these days and even if it was critical when something goes from being a laughingstock theory to known truth it will provide credibility of it's own eventually. Ron Paul certainly isn't leaving a legacy of hiding from the truth to preserve what may be percieved as credibility. Regardless of what position one has on this issue the official narrative should be debated.
LOL! What a simpleton you are!
Where did they get this "infrastructure" you talk about? Where did those Toyota convoys come from? Where did all the weaponry come from? Who buys the oil they're selling?
So being funded and equipped by Western psychotic elites that don't care about their native populations is supposed to keep the West free from consequences? Who's being the simpleton here?
The veneer of authenticity seems to be coming off of these false flag events with increasing speed. Big Brother will need better producers and writers from Hollywood, it seems.
Would any of this be happening if the US and NATO weren't hell bent on overthrowing Assad? The US needs to get out of the business that assumes it can overthrow any sovereign state on the planet, whether in the Middle East, Africa or South America.
Yes, but that's not to say we should be hell bend on continually overthrowing sovereign states and trying to install puppet regimes. Illegitimately meddling in the Middle East causes many problems to include giving justification to Jihadists, but that’s not to say Islam wouldn’t otherwise continue in its goal of global dominance and conformity.
...but gives deep state more to do and more $$$.
+100
I don't believe anything about this Paris terrorist story. It is all just made up. Anyone who knows anything about Paris, knows guns are not allowed.
LOL. Explosives are also frowned upon.
Ketchup is also banned.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/11/some-thoughts-on-paris-article-5-and-jihadism.html Some thoughts on Paris, Article 5 and jihadism
Laughable? So there was no terrorism? They get off on a technicality? Seriously, you Paulistinians are dangerous.
so here it is less than 48hrs after the attack in Paris and the media is already running the "Assad is buying oil from ISIS and refusing to attack them" bit on a loop. we all know where that is headed, same as Saddam has WMD's and supports al-CIAda.
it was absurd cattle feed then and it still is now.
then there is the Vienna "deal" that isn't really a one at all. western officials are claiming the very same plan that Moscow suggested just a week ago as their own and are now saying it's done like dinner. and yet sources inside the meet have been quoted as saying no such agreement has been reached and the point of whether Assad stays or goes and when is nowhere near being resolved. the west and Arab powers still want him gone asap while Iran, Russia and Syria insist it should be the people who decide if and when he leaves power.
so I can see this whole passport deal being connected to Assad, Iran or Russia in some absurdly stupid this-could -only-happen-in-the-mass-media kind of way. now that the western backed "rebels" are on the verge of losing the main road that connects Damascus and Aleppo and thereby Aleppo itself, we will see some Orwellian leaps in logic, common sense and critical thinking to make that connection. their narrative may have holes big enough to drive optimus prime through but as Goebbels said "tell a big enough lie, tell it enough times and it becomes the truth". as the blame for this must be placed on the Assad regime and if possible it's allies in order to salvage the whole FUBAR operation.
false flag or not the timing of this attack must raise the eyebrows as it presents an opportunity both timely and unique to rally support for a large scale invasion of Syria.
can't help but feel I've seen this game run before more than once.
Didn't the USA LOSE all their INTELLIGENCE CREDIBILITY over the IRAQ WAR/INVASION. Condoleezs said ALL our information supported Iraq's Imminent threat, WMD and links to Alqaeda. YET IT WAS ALL WRONG. We are suppose to believe this time is different.
can't help but feel I've seen this game run before more than once.
For my entire life, we have been wasting lives and money fighting _______isms and ________ists.
It's getting rather stale.
Seems like the only things that will survive a nuclear war intact are cockroaches and terrorists' passports.
USA needs to unite and petition to STOP OBAMA's MUSLIM FAMILY REUNIFICATION POLICY(*warm and fuzzy name for USA Musliim open border). We are sick of ALL the ME controversy and death. WHY CHANCE bringing just ONE fanatical Jihadist into the USA. US citizens have got to call OBAMA out on this issue. Write you Congressman and Senators. NO MORE. I guess I am racist.
Wouldn't surprise me to see France determine the killers are not MUSLIM
I don’t understand why so many of you seemingly need this (and every other crisis) to be a false flag. Does it make any difference in that governments will ultimately use it as an excuse to erode our diminishing privacy and freedoms? Is it a means of defending your beliefs in either the virtues of multiculturalism or Islam being a “religion of peace”?
I believe most of you understand that the many years of Western meddling in the Middle East has been a mess. Some of you might also understand that the arbitrary national boundaries that have been draw there regardless of ethnicity have led to lots of conflicts. Why then is it so hard to imagine genuine conflicts occurring in Europe? France has a sizable population of fairly unassimilated Muslims, and among them are many radical Islamists. I’d think the more logical conspiracy is that the stage has been set for genuine crisis to occur for the same result of justifying power grabs by the state. Farfetched claims with no real evidence to support them only serve to lessen the credibility of opposition and provide cover for the state.
Well said. That just what we are trying to sort out.
The corrupt powers are indeed opportunist; "let no disaster go to waste." as noted by Naomi Klien in "Shock doctrine". By suspecting a false flag amongst other ideas I feel we stand a better chance at finding truth.
when a far right placed the passport for whatever reason and then france calls nato and attacks someone on syrian territory it makes a difference what happened in paris
when a belgium group attacked in paris, known extremists from belgium and france then attacks syria only because of one passport, faked or not faked it makes a difference
not a difference for msm or "the mass" unfortunately
what is the chance of "the right syrian passport" (an important document for a real refugee) to drop just right next to an assassin from belgium after an attack in paris?
just a random event.... yeah sure
someone knew it or was coldblooded enough to catch that lottery ticket of having a spare passport handy just an hour after a mass shooting
France was already involved in military actions against ISIS in Syria. They had no further need for cover. The current French government was pushing for increased migrations of Middle-Easterners so this really works against them. As for the passport, if this really was a foot-soldier recently back from the now Russian dominated Syrian warzone, I'd think the chance of him having his passport on him (fake or real) would be pretty high. If he blew himself up with crude explosives in what vicinity would you expect his passport to end up? I don't wish to dissuade you from some heathy cynicism of the state so I'll just say a "real" crisis can be just as useful as a fake one.
There's a SHIT TON of comments by "true believers" posted here, read them.
Are there that many little children on ZH? Maybe their desperation for the government narrative to be truth rivals their desperation for Santa Claus to be real.
Or, maybe, there is a large population of paid shills and disinformation agents at work on this site.
Do you really think ZH warrants that level of attention? Am I to believe we are being flattered?
Had no idea... Do we need to ramp up the rhetoric?
You'd be surprised who reads ZH.
Really surprised, although everything including comments are taken with a gain of salt (ya the disinfo too). ZH balances the news. It would definitely have been shut down long ago if the demographic of its readership was well understood.
By "true believers" I assume you are referring to the false flag nuts who are unable to cope with logical thought. They seem to be suddenly swarming over the site.
That was too vague to actually know what your point is. Which government narrative are you referring to: that this was a coordinated attack by Islamists or that we need to take in more “refugees” from the “religion of peace” to hold true to our European/Western values? If you’re a European the two really are somewhat mutually exclusive.
We need to get their sneakers off of our ground, and our boots off of their ground.
Yup, it was planted. CIA couldn't get a real one I'm sure. They don't have the connections.
God this thread is dumb.
For what need refugees fireproof and bombproof passports? They can enter Europe without any doucment!
"Farfetched claims with no real evidence to support them only serve to lessen the credibility of opposition and provide cover for the state."
Farfetched claims? Who are you talking about? The MSM?
What real evidence do you offer to disprove these attack were conducted by radical Islamists? So far we have all the eye witnesses, the admittedly questionable evidence offered by the state, history, the outspoken goals and claims of radical Jihadi groups, what looks like a well-funded and trained (most likely by the West) organization called ISIS/ISIL/Daesh with operatives that have traveled between Syria and France and other parts of Europe, a well know hostile Islamic subculture existing in France...but no, not the MSM. The French MSM is beyond useless.
The real evidence will emerge over the coming weeks. There is none right now.
I expect the government to not make anything like a transparent investigation of the affair, but we'll see.
This does not stop the MSM or the French government from planting as many 'helpful' memes that as yet have no basis in fact.
In the meantime without any evidence, France will proceed, uninvited and illegally, to bomb Syria.
Nor does any of this excuse the incompetence of the French government in this affair.
It seems we may agree on more than we disagree. I'd just remind you that France was already a part of the 60 nation coalition (supposedly) fighting against ISIS, and didn't need an invitation. I added "supposedly" because if a 60 member coalition lead by the US couldn't accomplish the task, but the Russians almost all by themselves could, the goal was clearly not the defeat of ISIS.
"France was already a part of the 60 nation coalition (supposedly) fighting against ISIS, and didn't need an invitation."
Syria is a sovereign state and other countries need Syria's permission to intervene or it is a serious (Nuremberg) violation of international law. That applies to France, the USA and all of the other members of the "coalition".
The intervention is illegal.
Oh, was that stopping us until now? Rules only matter if they’re enforceable and enforced. So what was the legal repercussion to our prior illegal bombardments or any of the other mucking about we’ve done in Syria? I supposedly have a bunch of constitutionally guaranteed rights too, but somewhere along the line that foundational contract that put limits on government became a "living document" and parts of that life was snuffed out by interpretation by a corrupted judiciary. It’s not a dead document yet, but it’s not looking so well.
There is repercussions of course to having helped create ISIS, propping up corrupt regimes, and replacing others. Intentionally taking in large numbers of members of a hostile and incompatible culture from these same war torn regions will of course increase the severity of those repercussions, but that is all according to plan: divide and conquer and move toward a one world totalitarian government.
France are gonna' send an 'expeditionary force' to Syria in light of the attacks. O.K. Then maybe Syria should send an 'Expenditionary force' to France in light of the attacks....Seems only fair. I beleive one of the attackers was from Belgium, can we expect an 'expeditionary force' to be sent ther aswell?
Pretty Convenient that ISIS mainly exists in SYRIA. Why not Libya, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan etc. etc.
ISIS mainly exists in Iraq?
And, of course, Israel.
The longer it goes on without a single ISIS attack on Israel the more people are going to think them the best of friends.
My question is:
Have the French people yet determined that groups within their own government are waging a literal war against them? What will they do when they figure it out?
...Surrender?...
Interesting theory! “You know what pissed off Islamist extremists the most about Europe?” summarised Iyad El-Baghdadi, an activist and jihadi-watcher, on Twitter. “It was watching their very humane, moral response to the refugee crisis.”
I think a theory that fighters hoping to gain supporters might not like to see their supporter targets treated well by those to whom the targets are running might explain a lot... Not the whole show, but a lot.
I'll just leave this here.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/were-the-paris-attacks-predicted-o...
Never believe anything till it's been officially denied by the Pentagon.
Was it fake? Not fake enough to do the job in Greece, apparently. Think ISIS couldn't have found a "refugee" enough cash to convince a poorly paid Greek border official not to look at the passport very carefully?
The Greeks and Serbs have learned the hard way over centuries who the real enemy is, and have less incentive to cover Hollande's ass than DC and the Elysée do.
Here is more of the latest news as not seen anywhere in the dissembling US censored media.
https://www.rt.com/news/322155-paris-terrorists-identities-revealed/
Honey, that's msm way of giving you the finger.
Had you paid any attention to what has been going on you would know that many are traveling under false Syrian documents. Why? Because Syrians are recieveing preferential treatment. A fake Syrain passport does not make it a false flag operation. Furhter, a sophisicated agency could easily generate an excellent forgery.
Historically, suicide bombers have left a lot of evidence behind, they don't care, they expect to die. No reason to hide and normally they want it to be known who they are. Only a true anarchist might want anonimity, these b*stards were promoting their cause.
FYI In France you need an ID to easily travel about, not having one would raise more suspiccions then the risk of carrying a fake.
Indeed, remember the videos that are so common. They want their identity to be known.
The ones who try to conceal their identity are those who do not expect to die and who have come from the West and want to return their.
No what is clear is this is a fucking piece of shit article you just wrote. We don't even know the truth and already you try to fill in the blanks from shit sources to fit your fucking narrative.
Already they are reporting that fingerprints match the person who claimed refugee status who came in through Greece from Syria.
But hey don't let news fucking get in your way. Just fucking say whatever your little heart desires because you want people to believe your shit.
Just because the passport is clearly a dishonest plant does not imply that the perpetrator was not a jihardist who came through Greece posing as a refugee. He very well may have been.
What does need investigating is just who planted the passport. Someone did; paper passports do not survive suicide vest explosions.
Fuck, I JUST blew myself UP, I could've HAD a V8! No this is not funny but it is of our leaders' making - hang'em all and let's start over....
Crossing the border with a fake passport is not exactly an uncommon occurrence. And if you were on any lists that would restrict your travel then a fake ID would come in handy.
This passport may have been this guy's only ID, and how many of us walk around everyday without our wallet and ID on us?