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Guest Post: The Western Roots Of Anti-Western Terror
Authored by Brahma Chellaney, originally posted at Project Syndicate,
The Islamic State’s horrific attacks in Paris provide a stark reminder that Western powers cannot contain – let alone insulate themselves from – the unintended consequences of their interventions in the Middle East. The unraveling of Syria, Iraq, and Libya, together with the civil war that is tearing Yemen apart, have created vast killing fields, generated waves of refugees, and spawned Islamist militants who will remain a threat to international security for years to come. And the West has had more than a little to do with it.
Obviously, Western intervention in the Middle East is not a new phenomenon. With the exceptions of Iran, Egypt, and Turkey, every major power in the Middle East is a modern construct created largely by the British and the French. The United States-led interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001 represent only the most recent effort by Western powers to shape the region’s geopolitics.
But these powers have always preferred intervention by proxy, and it is this strategy – training, funding, and arming jihadists who are deemed “moderate” to fight against the “radicals” – that is backfiring today. Despite repeated proof to the contrary, Western powers have remained wedded to an approach that endangers their own internal security.
It should be obvious that those waging violent jihad can never be moderate. Yet, even after acknowledging that a majority of the Free Syrian Army’s CIA-trained members have defected to the Islamic State, the US recently pledged nearly $100 million in fresh aid for Syrian rebels.
France, too, has distributed aid to Syrian rebels, and it recently began launching airstrikes against the Islamic State. And that is precisely why France was targeted. According to witnesses, the attackers at Paris’s Bataclan concert hall – where most of the night’s victims were killed – declared that their actions were President François Hollande’s fault. “He didn’t have to intervene in Syria,” they shouted.
To be sure, France has a tradition of independent-minded and pragmatic foreign policy, reflected in its opposition to the 2003 US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq. But after Nicolas Sarkozy became President in 2007, France aligned its policies more firmly with the US and NATO, and participated actively in toppling Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi in 2011. And after Hollande succeeded Sarkozy in 2012, France emerged as one of the world’s most interventionist countries, undertaking military operations in the Central African Republic, the Ivory Coast, Mali, the Sahel, and Somalia before launching its airstrikes in Syria.
Such interventions neglect the lessons of history. Simply put, nearly every Western intervention this century has had unforeseen consequences, which have spilled over borders and ultimately prompted another intervention.
It was no different in the late twentieth century. In the 1980s, under President Ronald Reagan, the US (with funding from Saudi Arabia) trained thousands of Islamic extremists to fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The result was Al Qaeda, whose actions ultimately prompted President George W. Bush’s invasion of Afghanistan and provided a pretext for invading Iraq. As then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted in 2010, “We trained them, we equipped them, we funded them, including somebody named Osama bin Laden….And it didn’t work out so well for us.”
And yet, disregarding this lesson, Western powers intervened in Libya to topple Qaddafi, effectively creating a jihadist citadel at Europe’s southern doorstep, while opening the way for arms and militants to flow to other countries. It was this fallout that spurred the French counter-terrorist interventions in Mali and the Sahel.
Having barely stopped to catch their breath, the US, France, and Britain – with the support of Wahhabi states like Saudi Arabia and Qatar – then moved to bring down Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, fueling a civil war that enabled the Islamic State to seize territory and flourish. With the group rapidly gaining control over vast areas extending into Iraq, the US – along with Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates – began launching airstrikes inside Syria last year. France joined the effort more recently, as has Russia.
Though Russia is pursuing its military campaign independently of the Western powers (reflecting its support for Assad), it, too, has apparently become a target, with US and European officials increasingly convinced that the Islamic State was behind October’s crash of a Russian airliner in the Sinai Peninsula. That incident, together with the Paris attacks, may spur even greater outside military involvement in Syria and Iraq, thereby accelerating the destructive cycle of intervention. Already, the danger that emotion, not reason, will guide policy is apparent in France, the US, and elsewhere.
What is needed most is a more measured approach that reflects the lessons of recent mistakes. For starters, Western leaders should avoid playing into the terrorists’ hands, as Hollande is doing by calling the Paris attacks “an act of war” and implementing unprecedented measures at home. Instead, they should heed Margaret Thatcher’s advice and starve terrorists of “the oxygen of publicity on which they depend.”
More important, they should recognize that the war on terror cannot credibly be fought with unsavory allies, such as Islamist fighters or fundamentalist-financing sheikhdoms. The risk of adverse unintended consequences – whether terrorist blowback, as in Paris, or military spillovers, as in Syria – is unjustifiably high.
It is not too late for Western powers to consider the lessons of past mistakes and recalibrate their counterterrorism policies accordingly. Unfortunately, this appears to be the least likely response to the Islamic State’s recent attacks.
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This makes a lot of sense, if you don't know a fucking thing about history.
This is repeat over and over again as Western country like UK, France, USSA is spread imperialist agenda. Support despotic regime who is use fundamentalism export to destabilize neighbor and distract citizenry. USSA is provide aid to Saudi who is provide aid to Wahabi who is provide aid to Mujahadeen who is fight proxy war with Russia who is only try to bring modernization of industrial to native culture. Okay, and little bit of communism, but is mostly fault of Western imperialist regime.
What about the Muslims bombing Bali, et al? Last I read Indonesia was not in the Middle East and Europe/U.S. didn't attack it.
Serious question, BTW. The Muslims are given a pass for killing Westerners (as well as their own people) becasue they have "been attacked by the Joos." How is the Bali bombing of 2000 justified?
(Let the name calling begin in 3... 2... 1...)
Stop shilling dumbkopf. This was a flase flag, the latest in a long line of anti-Islaam false flag, put out by Muslim hating zionists who are terrified that the erst of the world might become friends with them, once they realise that baby eating etc etc are not actually approved core islaamic activities. Now we know the Frogs & Co actually cold bloodedly murdered civilians in order to mock up the scene. Time these b*st*rds were done in. http://300spartans.com.au/news/guest/850152-busted-totally-proven-beyond...
"Stop shilling dumbkopf."
Thank you for the intelligent introduction...
Ah, so I get it now. All cases of Muslims attacking others are either false flags or them retaliating for being attacked. Even back to the Barbary Pirates in the late 1700's attacking U.S merchant ships. False flags set up for Jefferson to attack the Muslims. Thank you for the clarification.
syria before and after. Probably no one died there!
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12274541_5225...
https://www.google.com/search?q=syria+before+and+after+pics&biw=1920&bih...
just horrible.
If you put shit in a vacuum, guess what it still smells.
No, just those since 1948. All those Muslim attacks in General Allenby's army as they marched into Palestine in 1918 were real. As were all those attacks spearheaded by T.E. Lawrance leading the Arab Muslims to revolt against and overthrow their Turkish Muslim "brothers". etc etc ad nauseum. However, since 1948 and the creation of the fake state "Israel", all Muslims - Palestinian, Arab, Persian, Turk etc etc have been on the zionist payroll. FACT.
OK. We have agreement in some areas.
you say fake state israel as if to imply other states are legitimate.
news flash, they are all fake.
The Bali bombings targeted tourist destinations popular with Westerners. They were "soft" targets where affluent Western vacationers congregated and could be massacred. They killed a lot of Brits. They were not attempts to destabilize Bali itself.
Don't know how old you are but the Bali Bombings were covered at length by Joe Vialls on his website before he was murdered. He showed the security films that captured the mushroom cloud and the blast shattered windows of office buildings several hundred metres away, which could only be caused by the use of a micro-nuke. He blew the whistle on the micro-nuke testing at Dimona and also the fact that the man hanged as Saddam actually wasn't Saddam at all, as witnessed by Saddam's own wife and daughter who stormed out of their one and only visit whilst he was awaiting trial, stating that is not my husband/father in there. FACT.
You know NOTHING about explosives and believe only a nuke makes a mushroom cloud! You haven't seen a well made explosive go off have you? All it takes is heat to get the mushroom effect. I've done it with TNT.
OMG Zero Hedges! I was there, in Paris, at the music hall shooting. I was shot once in the ankle and now I am extremely anti-Muslim and VERY pro-Jew.
Are you sure you didn't take a round to the head too.......?
The terrorists missed my head.
You have to agree with me. King Jew Donald Trump is the one who will solve this problem and pave the roadway for Greater Israel!
Je suis Jew-ie!
Many among current fight club attendees are not able to see your sarc I see, AFE.
In regards to the last terrorist video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5t1wWwljEY
Everyone claims its a fake US made video because of the dust and heat. A) its winter there just like here, so no sweat. B) they get more rain so dust is not a issue. C) Those people doing the video are uppers so they have better cloths and showers then the regular slob figher. They also clean up. Their not completely stupid to a video audence. .
ISIS has excellent AV production values, the best that a CIA black budget can buy.
I hope all actors have their SAG card for purposes of royalties...
So ... they're not jealous of our freedom anymore?
Those three clean shaven, Macy's garbed dudes look like full scholarship, affirmative action recipinet graduates from Berkley.
You joke. Ritz Katz is supposedly related to Speilberg.
https://theyellowbrickroadfreeblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/rita-katz-be...
Wackoism. Video technology is quite easy to use these days - even a jihadist can figure it out.
Agreed. Going back to 1980 is hardly a primer for how all this shit got started in the first place.
Saker explains why we are in this mess in his new book
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Saker-trenches-emerging-multipolar/dp/16...
Yep, because if you did know your history you would know that States are the most likely perpetrators of terrorist attacks/false flags. Google OPERATION GLADIO for that matter.
You must be using GW as your source.
Are you making ad hominem attacks, xavi? Why don't you go look up Operation Gladio instead? See what you can find.
With the Federal govt mandated Dumbing down Public education/indoctrination system what do we expect?
I'll take Cloward-Piven strategy for $1,000 Alex.
http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/the-cloward-piven-strategy-explai...
The sad truth is that many of these countries need secular military dictators. They suck, but at least they hold the country together and keep things under control. Because every time the us / west takes them out the country goes to shit. For some it's a raw deal, but ask the average syrian, iraqi, or libyan what they would prefer right now.
I'm sure that all Middle East citizens wish that the US would stop invading and destroying their countries, whether directly or by proxy.
Indeed.
They started wishing that in 1948 and it seems to be coming to a climax almost 70 years later.
Sadly, there won't be a happy ending to this climax.
In either case, 1948 was a seminal event
603 A.D. was
That's what she said
Well, we can insulate ourselves from it easily - just stop letting the savages come live here. And send back the ones we've got. Easy - peasy.
We may get to that point some day.
Maybe stop sending our savages over there would help.
Just a guess.This is just the begining of the blowbaxk INO.
If Obozo rams thru' these Syrian immigrants, even sheeples are going to rebel,
Syria is going to look good in comparison after the US tears itself apart.
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Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner - YouTube
What absolute rubbish. All the dates are wrong, totally ignored the Khazar empire between Byzantium and Persia, North Africa fell to the Faatimid Khalifate of Egypt hundreds of years after the date Warner proposes, Spain fell after the tribe of Umayyah (Bani Umayyah) were overthrown by the Abbasids and driven out of Arabia under fear of death 140+ years after Warner's fictions. Don'y know what "thick books" he read but he talks like he was hit round the head with them. Historical fiction.
Musi ! Is that you Jehadi John?
My observation has been that politicians are a bigger threat to stability and freedom than any terrorist organization.......
The terrorist are using the politicians. Go after the Drug Lord, not the corner seller.
Oldie but a goodie, and somewhat relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA39iVSo7XE
Lindsey Graham has to have one of the most punchable faces in the world...looks like Dempsey is thinking it.
Lady Lindsey would deserve a forceful cockpunch if she had one.
This post could have been written in one word: oil.
done.
Oil would be too simple. The rain of fossil fuel is about over. The Germans have new technology (the rest of the world will soon have as well). At the end of the day this is a good thing because the west allowed the payment for oil to get out of hand. There will be a financial collapse in the middle east because of this. The destruction in the middle east will be something to behold. Their source of revenue will be completely gone and their procreation has exploded over the years. We are now seeing the tip of the iceberg.
you so silly it's laughable. 'ool is used for MUCH more than fuel, fool. In fact, it's used for PRETTY MUCH EVEYRHTING thse days. That nice com-put-er you are using to that that bullshit is mostly made of ool. Your cheap Nikes are mostly made of plastics too. Do you even know what nylon is made out of, fool? By golly.
It is not too late for Western powers to consider the lessons of past mistakes.
What mistake? They never make a mistake. It's not their kids doing the fighting or getting blown up. As long as they can continue to convince the plebs to believe their lies and in turn do their dirty work all is good for these maggots.
It is not too late for Western powers to consider the lessons of past mistakes and recalibrate their counterterrorism policies accordingly. Unfortunately, this appears to be the least likely response to the Islamic State’s recent attacks.
USSofA is in so far over our heads it's now stuck up our arse. Let the A&P protect us, (and a $600B+ MIC)
Look to work on our problems here and GET THE F&*K out of everyone else's business.
well spoken sir.
my only reactive dissonance being 'thatcher'... always saying one thing, and doing the opposite
No.
The Zionist root of globalisation and worldwide terror makes a more accurate reading of the modern world, and the State you are in.
The rise of ISIS has big money behind it for all those fashionable black garments, white sneakers and expensive weapons. Add dual citizen Israeli Rita Katz and SITE, distributing Hollyweird videos and photos of pornography; barbaric claims and acts.
Add the aims of Operation Gladio, Operation Northwoods, Operation Hornets Nest - all still live. JFK died for defying that sort. Died for denying Israel nuclear weapons (later obtained and still outside inspection).
Died for issuing Constitutional money backed by silver and gold, putting the USA outside the fiat of the City of London Rothschild led clique of batshit crazy Zionists who use Israhell as their sandpit thug, making permanent war with its operatives hijacking the USA under The Yinon Plan, the Project for a New American Century, and the Wolfowitz Doctrine.
'All wars are banker wars.' You have been scammed, scalped, robbed in broad daylight, but still blame the political salesmen rather than kill the terrorist thought in your own .gov, used by Zionists. For example, on 9/10 Rumsefeld admitted trillions of dollars went missing at the Pentagon under a dual national Israeli accountant. On 9/11, buildings attacked in NYC; gold missing; the team investigating the missing trillions killed in the Pentagon. Owner of WTC 7 Silverstein increased his insurance coverage beforehand; said 'pull it'; didn't have to pay for asbestos contamination...and tens of thousands of New Yorkers have died of related illness since then. While Silverstein and the dual national accountant who oversaw the missing trillions at the Pentagon sun themselves in Israel which defies international law with its genocide in Gaza, and laying claim to...land owned by Syria which has oil and more than that, access to water.
Get the picture? Get off your knees. Stop excusing the real terrorists.
If you do not know the meaning of those Doctrines and who funds them, then you are a 'useful idiot' or 'educated fool'.
Hysteria is easy to make among ignorant people who will die for narrow national security claims, while the real terrorists make a fortune. All wars are banker wars. Rothschild, Rockefeller,, Bronfman deploy salesmen, otherwise known as politicians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces
Secret societies, the deep state, the Zionist terrorists are aided by ignorance and media who are now owned by about a dozen owners whose shareholders and profits serve a common Agenda 21, Zionist filth.
Orthodox jews warned against Zionism; said it would wreck the Middle East and the world. They were correct, weren't they. See the terror in Paris as just one more version of Operation Gladio, and the Operation Northwoods which JFK vetoed in the USA, but his killers do now, as per 9/11.
Hats off to you but if one raises his head he can expect unexpected visitors in short order.
Most excellent commentary, V!
The author of this piece asserts that the consequenses of heedless intervention are 'unintended'.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
wow, the deafening sound of silence from red state governors is making my ears ring. 17 states governors have sent letters or issued executive orders to deny refugees in their states.
Operation Northwoods signed by Lyman Lemnitzer (among others). Then Lemnitzer was the commander of NATO in the 60s. Gladio/Ergenekon in Turkey supposedly got going in the 60s with the help of the Pentagon and the CIA.
Running extremist groups is pretty much consistent with Gladio methods. (And doing false flag operations for that matter.) ISIS is co-run by the turkish deep state.
Strategy of tension also from the zionists:
Moshe Dayan, 1954 (might actually predate Gladio)
"[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no — it must — invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge…"
Fits in with running jihadi tools and then justifying government actions and wars. (With the assistance of the media of course.)
True.
We should Fund Raise together to send weapons to the Opposition in Saudi Arabia , keeping them occupied on home soil and out of the ROW's affairs.
It's a VILE Regime and the fact it is propped up by the US and UK speaks volumes.
What a crock of historically shortsighted crap. Islam has been at war with any and all who reject their death cult from its very inception. Ask the Jews who founded and built Medina who were slaughtered for refusing to convert. Ask the Christians of North Africa who were slaughtered for refusing to convert. Ask the Christians of Spain who fought for 700 years to free themselves from the opression and murder of the Moors. Consider the tens of tnousands who were slaughtered or carried off into slavery by Islamic piracy in the Mediterranean for over 1000 years.
Islam has always considered that any land once conquered by Islam, belongs to Islam forever and its peoples have no right to determine their own future. It tactics of conquest by violence and intimidation have not changed one bit in 1500 years. There is not a single other culture on the face of god's green earth that Islam has ever lived in peace with, except the peace of subugation enforced at the point of a scimitar. ISIS is just the latest manifestation of Islamic 7th century barbarism armed with modern weapons.
Partly so, but your ignorance and Nazionist is showing.
The dispute between medievalists and modernisers continues as per the House of Saud created by the Ratchild City of London to serve its war profits and others in Islam who say that is a teeny, tiny war tribe of AshkeNAZI freaks, and do everything they can to stop ISIS, condemn ISIS.
ISIS is the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, and they are taking the piss, as Brits would say.
And before you hasbarat throw the usual ad hominem, my family are 1620 and all that. So you Hasbara can fck off back to your place with $40 billion from the District of Cowards.
Paraphrasing Walter Baghehot: all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
Zionists are money grubbing, warmongering,, treacherous filth. Buy their lies, and die. They like that.
You are a disgrace to the human race, war profiteers.
Another load of historically ignorant horse shit. Whenever anyone dares define Islam for what it is and has always been, namely a totalitarian personality cult of death worship, they immediately come under attack by a legion of buffoons who immediately assume they must be Jews and or agents of Mosad and base their attacks on that falsehood and a fallacious interpretation of 20th century European history.
Firstly, you know nothing of me personally or my family history. In simplist terms, I'm about as WASP as anyone could possible be. Secondly, the notion that Zionism, the Jewish desire for a homeland where they are in control of their own fate, is the inheritance of Nazi philosphy and methodology is absurd on its face. Especially in light of the proven historical connections between the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazi state.
Saudi Arabia is the home base of radical Islamic Terror. At the same time, Saudi Arabia is deeply allied to France, NATO and the USA. Saudi Arabia is acting in concert with western intelligence agencies to further Washington's globalization agenda.
Saudi Arabia was the builder of Mosques across Europe and the Middle East where the cult of Jihad is taught. The West knows this, yet they do nothing. France allows the building of Saudi Mosques in France, the very places that recruit Jihadists, and manufacture Jihadists. French police allow this without any obstruction.
So, whay does the west cry about terrorism and allow Saudi Arabia to create, train and fund the Jihadist movement? Why? Well we know why! Because Jihad is a central part of Washington's global hegemony. Since the Socialist Afghan government was removed with Jihad in the 80's, Jihad has been spread across the Middle East and North Africa. Acting as agent of the CIA. American global hegemoney uses Jihad as a vital tool. That is why ISIS was left alone to grow and prosper in Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya. Egypt now has ISIS.
Washington want's to direct a mass Jihadist army and force it's violence East and North. Into the Central Asian Nations, hence into Russia and China where their borders and the Central Asian Republic meet.
Washington would never throw away the radical islamic tool in it's tool kit. It has long term plans. First use Jihad to destroy nations not allied with NATO. Afghaninstan,Iraq, Syria, Libya, all former secular states. Now bases for ISIS to grow and become strong. When they reach critical mass, the Washington rulers will send them against Central Asia, thence Russia and China.
Washington Neo-conservative circles make no secret of this agenda! Only the world's people who read western media remain ignorant!
Here is the thing. Western Media is the cover for Jihad, they tell all the lies needed for the USA to control, fund and use ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra and others as our CIA field army.
Please, can we just get this straight.
The House of Saud and its Wahhabi version of Islam was founded by the Rothschild led City of London as a servant; totalitarian toy.
Fact.
All wars are banker wars.
Excellent post. An observation. Central Asia is already full of Muslims. China also has areas where they are a problem. So does Thailand, Malaysia, and a whole lot of other countries in Asia. The states rebel Obama...maybe there is hope.....but I doubt it.
The author notices that ISIS is effectively armed by the US. But then he slips to pushing the Blowback meme.
Blowback is a smokescreen for the actual crimes being committed. These crimes are the direct result of our own governments' actions against the very people they are supposed to represent and protect.
We killed 3 million Vietnamese but they have never once committed a terrorist attack against the US.
Native Americans don't commit acts of terror against the US.
African Americans do not commit acts of terror against the US.
None of the victims of US attack the US. Only CIA and Mossad trained terrorists attack us.
It is absurd to think the criminals running our country would adopt "a more measured approach that reflects the lessons of recent mistakes."
These "mistakes" are intentional. They are policy. The blowback theory is intended to mask the false flag nature of these crimes.
Does the author think the arsonist will be caught if the chiefs of police and fire are the arsonists?
True.
Let's be honest. Only one small group puts the world at war for its claims: Zionists, the Bolsheviks.
The rest of us want peace and reconcilation; mutual respect.
Zionism is a militarist, supremacist thing, made by banks for cowards (Herzl et al). It is fakery, war profiteering.
There ain't no room for the hateful few who kill all mankind just to save their own:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdKEbnS1eBE
I was thinking the same thing. This isn't a bad article but blowback and unintended consequences are not a part of what's going on here and that has been evident for quite some time. Then again sometimes you have to release information slowly to the masses or the heads will explode and maybe that's what they are trying to do here.
Fair comment. However, one child is every child, in my opinion, raised as a Christian.
What do we see now? The whole world ruined by Zionist plots. Orthodox jews made the biggest protest in Israel against conscription, but you won't read about that. Orthodox Christians in Russia know that the Red Terror was waged by Zionists (85% of the Communist govt in 1917 was jewish, not Russian), slaughtering tens of millions of Christians in the most horrible ways that jihadists/jewhadits repeat, but you won't read about that in the history books. Most Muslims condemn ISIS, but you won't read about that.
Zionism is a supremacist, militarist, hateful, moneygrubbing thing - made by the likes of Rothschild, Rockefeller with their creeps like Soros and Hollyweirdos in tow.
All wars are banker wars with their pet bribed and blackmailed politicians in tow, followed by the main scream media which they own, lock stock and barrell.
The author does not really come with any solutions. What should we do, turn the other cheeck? Islam has always been at war with those who are not islam. Submission is their end game.
Incorrect on all counts. You need a lesson in history and humility. Zionism is your problem. Keep it out of my lands and my USA in particular. There's a good shill.
Zionism, Jews, lalala
11 weeks and 2 days.
History is longer than your petty count, and so are my people. Go home, Hasbarat, and leave the world alone with our kith and kin.
"Instead, they should heed Margaret Thatcher’s advice and starve terrorists of “the oxygen of publicity on which they depend.”
And that is what we at ZH should do with you. You think you are smart but you're not.
You Zionists feed terrorists and use publicity. See dual U.S/Israeli citizen Rita Katz of SITE as an exemplar; constantly aiding ISIS. You just don't like it when your treacheery is known, your Yinon Plan, your Wolfowitz Doctrine, using the blood and treasure of my people, my USA.
Hell is your place. Stay there.
clever KGB ploy
blame Imperialists
Russia never do dat
then China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuala, Costa Rica
etc etc
unill all world happy commrads
live in peace and iron boot
have much potato!
Yeah, but don't you know that the zionist/Jews are behind all that? All of them? Look over there, there is one now!
Your Avarar, I see dumb people, is that when you pass by a mirror oris it a Fraudian slip emanating from the arrogance of a haughty tribe?
The Musi apologists are out in force. new I Write Code is right! Most of the idiots that cry about the U.S. bombing weddings, excuse all the slaughter by the Islamists because them do NOT know history. In fact, many of them think that Islam has been around as long as Christianity and Judaism. France did NOT get attacked because of anything it has done except be a Christian country that supports Israel. The Musi were broken into different countries/regions based on their tribes at the time, to try to reduce conflicts. ZH has turned into a real FF (fuck fest/false flag) gang bang of idiots that think they know what is going on because another idiot told them they were right. Time to go back to school and visit the library. It's full of books about the history of Islam and the ME.
Pour on the down votes. I DGAS! You are still idots and your votes don't mean anything!
It would help your cause if you could write plain English, Hasbarat, paid $2000 to support anything by Likud, the descendants of Irgun and Stern Gang who killed Brits and plotted against allies in WWII...just as you now steal trillions from the Pentagon and try to tell the American people that you are our 'friends'. You aren't. You have been named as the biggest foreign spy acting against the USA, according to the Department of Defense.
V for ... That was plain English, with a grammatical error (them/they).
OK, x. Try to understand that I am not your enemy. Don't be mine. Deal.
PS
Buy a proofreader. There was more than one mishtake ;-)
ZH has also turned into a platform for those zionist-Jewish conspiracy people and for Russian and Ukranian trolls. I see that plenty of old ZH members have left and are not posting anymore. It is too bad really.
Perhaps old ZH members are reading instead of posting, all the better to learn what's really going on.
All comments sections change with time. I and a large group were on Mish Shedlocks board from 2006 or so for a long long time! Finally new people came on board and we others just got tired and went elsewhere. The same happens here. Some of you will be overjoyed that I am thinking about getting out of your hair now, after a good 4 years +.
You know, if someone has an opinion you don't like, why do some of you scream Troll! This Putin's Trolls stuff. Hey, if you can not defend your position or refute some elses with logic, that does not make that other person a troll! Or do some of you really believe your main stream media education means you are right, and all others are Putin Trolls?
If you can defend the US position in Ukraine and in Syria, then for fuck's sake defend it! Calling us Putin Trolls just shows intellectual cowardice. Or lack of a case that CAN be made.
When I was talking about Russia/Putin trolls I was not referring to you. I always appreciate your contributions. But you also probably know that there are plenty of trolls out here (on both sides), either voluntarily or paid. ZH is being monitored by either side. We have seen them come and go. Freedom123 comes to mind. I like ZH because it is anti MSM. You read here articles you would not read anywhere else. And I appreciate ZH because it exposes US and Western government dubious plans and policies. But Russia also has a fair share of that but ZH hardly ever talks of that. Ok, we have CNN for that.
I was at Mish's place, and also at Turds, Rick Ackermann's and Mike Swanson's old boards. Never once was I ever called a Putin troll or anything of the sort. It is absurd Jack. Some of these guys just can't make sense of the world anymore, let alone argue anything in a rational or logical way. I think most of the old timers here at ZH feel the same way as you do. We are increasingly being isolated because of the successsful brainwashing efforts of the MSM on Americans who choose to remain in darkness and ignorance of the power and influenece of the Deep State.
These threads have been a travesty since Friday. Bunch of warmongering cowboys and yahoos screaming for blood is all I see. I see the end coming for a lot of us here. Cheers and best wishes to you. Your posts have enlightened me greatly over the years.
I remember you well from Mish's, Bay of Pigs. I agree too that the more posters that come to ZH with a mind full of Main Stream Media ideas that they parrot, the harder it is to stick around and deal with it. We should not have to educate people, or remake the same case over and over again. Some things I have posted a dozen times in detail, then a newbie scream "LINKS"! Links? Jeusus H. Christ, read my past posts, I've made my cases in detail, and I welcome anyone who can refute them. I have had a few Zh'ers change my mind for me on some issues. If a person can't learn and change then they are an animal.
Putin's Trolls is a State department tactic to try and shut up debate. So why do people come on ZH and crow Putin Trolls! When you simply stste a point of view and some facts that refute the lies of MSM! USA's MSM is now so co-opted by official Washington that there is no real Media in America, only propaganda.
Don't leave just take a break.
Good idea that! May just do that.
ZH has become a magnet for the Conspiracy everything and False Flag everything crowd. People that can't believe anything, because you know, the Joos are behind every rock. ZH used to give important information about WS and there were many informed members. Now, not so much.
Says Hasbarat.
Not behind every rock, just the strategic ones.
"zionist-Jewish conspiracy"
maybe you are right israel always belonged to the white-skin colored jews like me
we should stop criticize "jewish criminal" movements because how can a crime commited by a jew count as a crime?
/sarc (for the slow guys)
"old ZH members have left and are not posting anymore"
like dutchboy? you idiots banned him x times until stopped posting. he was one of the few people here with a brain. zh is like an empty bottle without dutchboy
and its not only ZH. but any social network community ive seen. old members go mew members come - bear it
forums, twitter, facebook, streaming plattforms, youtubers and trends arent the same either
and if you visit france today you will notice some nasty changes too - crimial muslim niggers dont quite fit the image of the city of love and perfum
Anybody can make a good contribution, also new members. But I have seen the quality going down lately. Zionist-Jewish conspiracies, neonazis, Ukkie trolls, people just shooting from the hip and plenty of ad hominems. I appreciate a good 'conspiracy theory' but some people are just on some mission it seems.
Did not know Dutchboy quit. And who banned him then? I was thinking more of members like Element. Haven't seen him in ages.
are you serious? element was one of the worst shiposters here on zh
Can't say I always agreed with him but his postings were usually well informed and articulated (though some of his last post were not so much). I also liked Ghordius although I did not agree with him most of the time.
Zionists always whine, and ignore research by an Ashkenazi true academic for John Hopkins University who found out that most who claim to be jews today are not jews. They are Ashkenazi, Khazar; a notorious warmongering tribe from Eastern Europe. They have no DNA link to Jerusalem or any Holy Land. They are frauds. The Palestinians have DNA of the jews of Biblical times.
Apart from that, the New Testament defies the Old Testament. All this Zionist nonsense and permanent war for banks is fraud.
A fraud that deploys weaklings like Hitlery, the Bush tribe and Trump,, quite apart but similar to Cameroon and Hollandaise Sauce. All for their Internationale, bowing down to the Zionist freak Rothschild/Rockefeller.
What we need is for people to do like I did. I submitted my DNA for deep analysis, going back 250,000 years or more. By tracing key marker genes, I am 47% native hunter gatherer European from before the last Ice Age. My father's line stayed in the Balkan refuge during the last ICe Age. Then 12,000 years ago moved north into Southern Scandinavia. My mother line came from the Near East with the first farmers to enter Europe 8,000 years ago and settled in Germany and Britain. Modern Germans and Swedes are my closest gentic match on earth.
Israeli's might want to check their lines. They might be shocked how they have no connection at all with modern Israel. Gentic markers can tell if the modern Israeli was from Khazars with zero gentic connection to the holy land.
Now days it costs 150 dollar for the deep analyis.
i dont need to check my DNA to know who i am
non of us jews is a real jew
just look at netanyahu! does he look like a jew?
you know israel dont exist since for so long
a jew from spain looks more spanish
a jew from germany looks more german
a jew from east europe looks more east european
and a jew from iran looks more iranian
the true idea behind jews is nothing else but parasitismus and ruling over others
you can compare it to running a program on a program to gain personal profit of it - like a trojan which steals creditcard numbers and passwords, so some criminal assholes can do money with it
Jack,
We need critical analysis,, not propaganda which only serves the war profiteers and media owners, not the majority or the good people of any land, in my opinion.
If I was in a minority of one and knew the truth, I would have no fear. If I was in a huge crowd and spoke lies, I would fear.
'Dare to know' was the call of the Enlightenment, for rational. Dare to love is the call of all good, kind people who despise lies.
So man can be what he is meant to be: free and independent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlghYpDx0f4
Never shrink from controversy. Remember the First Amendment.
It is for thee and me and all.
As for the Zionists, they are in our lands to steal, make permanent war. The Yinon Plan, Wolfowitz Doctrine, Project for a New American Century - all the plots of two faced Zionists who serve Israhell first.
Israhell, the sandpit plaything of the world's biggest bank family, Rothschild in the City of London. Israhell,, a rich man's toy, bribing and blackmailing CONgress.
Israel, born in terrorism and still doing the same. BiBi is a coward, killing women and children most, and CONgress applauds it. The District of Criminals are a disgrace to humankind, and our America most of all.
Wall Street is now so totally manipulated, that information about markets that once was vital and important is now not so much important. Instead of fundamentals of the economy and markets, all we have is Fed manipulation and banker fraud! In 2006 the economics blogs were alive with economic fundamentals, what was going on in corporate America and market makers. Now? The fucking government prints money and buys stocks! The Fed manipulates everything, everyone trades the Fed. Computers make 80% or more of every single trade in HFT! What in reality is there to write about in this era of total manipulation of everything. It is communism, not markets.
Jack, what was your handle over at Mishs? I posted over there for a couple of years. MsCreant introduced me to ZH when she came over here.
James Cole! From the Movie "Twelve Monkies"
Also posted early on as Jack Burton.
Pause.
"Unintended consequences" ...?
Who believes that?
Gotta love the argument that concludes that murderous clowns are really not resonsible for their choices. They simply couldn't help themselves in the face of western . . . whatever.
Zionists and banksters are like that; always finding a way to excuse their homocide and theft, with their Wahhabism in tow.
You are being scammed. See Operation Gladio and Operation Northwoods for further information. Then see the Yinon Plan, and the Wolfowitz Doctrine...all for illegal Israhell, using the USA, my people, as its shied, sword and treasury while our sons of America die for that bullshit, those ungrateful Zionists who steal from the USA and say 9/11 was 'good for Israel' (Nuttyyahoo said that).
Get off your knees, ajkreider.
We should not be in the Middle East
It will be no harm if they come here
how can we say that they should not come?
that would be racist and insensitive
ouch!
There is no Christian or muslim in the Knesset,, yet the jews who are not jews insist that multiculturalism is best. Best for the jews who are not jews, but thieving Zionists; rats, paid $2000 by Israel .gov to infest Western forum for Bibi's genocidal party, Likud, descendants of Irgun, the Stern Gang who hanged Brits and plotted against our allies in WWI and WWII.
All for their Internationale, pets of banksters, as per Rahm Emmanuel, never let a crisis go to waste as his grandfather was a bus bomber.
It is over, Hasbarats.
There you are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset
Just to underline that you are not smart at all but just the usual dumbass neonazi that found his way to ZH.
Shill. The phrase is Nazionist or didn't you get the memorandum of understanding ;-)
Your sort are shallow, easily manipulated, for service to your batshit crazy Talmud, and the City of London and its Mi6.
The House of Saud is Arab, founded by the banksters to make a totalitarian version of Islam that suits your Zionist freakery. You are very silly, shallow.
Boy.
You just babble. Claims something that with a simple google search can discredited. That proves that you are shallow.
You are what is called a low information voter, easily duped.
Hasbarat.
Those who use you rely on it.
I don't.
Low information? How about you? Low IQ!
Hasbarats,
You want Operation Samson.
Then do it. You got your $40BN from CONgress. Now fuck off, City of London bankster shills.
Death comes to us all. You first.
new V for ...
Your rants are those of a desperate person. You have NO facts, just a belief, and nothing can change your mind (frontal lobe missing). No, I am not talking about your religion, though I believe you have none, just my opinion, no facts.
Death will come, how will you meet it? Blame the Jews?
Typical Hasbarat ad hominem.
Since mahommedanism is a form of governance incompatible with all others, including democracy, the only solution is to eject its adherents from any country not wanting to live under mahommedanism or be internally attacked by its followers.
Our forbears had the will to achieve this. Now we are governed by the kumbayaa philosophy which will get its adherents and everyone else killed or subjugated.
Zionism is a filthy militarist, supremacist thing from its inception. Orthodox jews said it was bad. Christians knew it was bad. But it has bankster support in order to make its fiefdom in Israhell,, and the world is at each other's throat for that shit pit, genocidal Israhell, using the blood and treasure of our Western lands for their Yinon Plan, more theft, and Samson Option, a threat.
I say: no to Zionist batshit crazy warmongers and their thieving sugar daddy banksters.
LOL ! You are batshit crazy and make me laugh!
Iran is a good example of how your so called Mohammedanism can work.
I would say, India and Indonesia and other examples.
In all the cases where Islam has been preached peacefully, it is always the Shia or other variations that are practiced. In the case of Indonesia there are 72 different variations practiced. Do not assume there is only Sunni or Shia.
The problem makers are the same Sunni muslims from saudi who spend Petrodollars to preach the "only" way to be a muslim. They advocate hatred for everyone else and even for other muslims. They are the ones preaching to Indonesians that Muslims cannot even wish "Merry Christmas"to felow indonesian who are christians. It is they who advocate a very special way of praying unconnected to any methods known to normal Muslims. They provide the money to built Mosques that practice only their way.They teach their Mosque members to aggressively challenge and fight others who differ.
Now, this is the big elephant in the room which nobody seems to be able to talk clearly.
Is America such a slave to money that truth is avoided? That its own ally is the key problem of the world?
I do not believe half a dozen Saudi nationals managed to coordinate the 9/11 attack. But I am quite sure that a bigger power coordinated the attack using Saudi money. Go figure who is managing Saudi money. It is easy to tell a despotic Saudi Ruler to spend money for islamic education around the world against the threat of spread of Shia or other Islam that serves the people and not the rulers.
Please sir, do not be naive. Your enemy is in your own Government. And I mean French Government too is the real enemy for the french people. They let western trained muslim extremist into France and now they want more money to bomb Syria far far away.
Islam is just another religion for people who cannot understand the world. Just as Judaism is also another religion practiced by other peaceful people. We shoudl attack the people using religion for creating chaos. not blame the religion or those actually practicing it. A killer is a killer. He cannot and should never be defined as Muslims Killer and Christian killer. After all there are 3 murders an hour in USA. Are they all Christian Killers. Never heard anyone say that do you?
"Islam is just another religion for people who cannot understand the world."
No, it isn't a religion. It is a genocidal ideology with global ambitions and always has been. Your apologetic screed is similar to the one preached by CAIR and every other apologist with an agenda. The thing everyone should keep in mind is that even if there is such a creature as a "good Muslim," they don't matter. What matters is that the extremists are driving the Muslim bus, and it's going where they want it to go.
The propaganda against Moslems has been a constant for at least 50 years, Israeli-neocons have pushed it It is the lever, along with the false flags, that makes citizens support the wars, so profitable for our elites.
Very scary to see so many people think that the US has a Moslem problem. Bad politics can follow when mono-culturalists get in control :
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/germanys-jewish-problem/
We do not trust our own systems, same as with the USSR, and look what that has done to us. War is the health of the state.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/13/how-to-destroy-islam-in-eu...
Our multi-culture is wonderful, we would not give it up.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/a-wonderful-life-in-a-worl...
And it is profitable :
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/exporting-multiculturalism/
Move to Michigan........ you might change your mind.
Are you from CAIR?
Jefferson warned about Islam. I think that's more than 50 years ago.........
Oh, and don't forget the Byzantine Emporer who asked the Pope for help..............
“We trained them, we equipped them, we funded them, including somebody named Osama bin Laden….And it didn’t work out so well for us.”
We hatched vipers eggs , ewww now these are biting us
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This post should be engraved in stone
and taught in the universities in classes of economics, politics & MBA
The Article is assuming that there is a Muslims Extremist Group that is capable of doing whatever happened in France. It is total bullshit.
The people fighting in Syria and Iraq are all paid in cash by "someone". This someone is capable of setting up various websites that US cannot take down. This someone is capable of opening Facebook account which is still active and functioning while many others have been easily taken down by Facebook for lesser reasons.
This someone is also able to sell huge amount of oil that cannot be hidden in small vehicles. The shipments are going thru large tankers that US cannot stop either. US stopped a tanker in Libya which an actual rebel group tried to sell, though.
One example exposed is that the oil is going thru Turkey National Oil company (I would buy Turkey oil company shares if available). and thru Singapore registered companies and intermediatory to Indonesian Oil Refineries.
This someone has large network of recruiters for ISIS that was exposed by facebook member which was promptly again disabled by facebook.
SO, I say, this article is about making people assume that there is a ISIS that is fighting western world. Bullshit. They do not even try bomb a few Israeli targets next door. Even for pretend. Wht would they attack France?