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Ron Paul On What Should Be Done About Paris
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,
The horrific attacks in Paris on Friday have, predictably, led to much over-reaction and demands that we do more of the exact things that radicalize people and make them want to attack us. The French military wasted no time bombing Syria in retaliation for the attacks, though it is not known where exactly the attackers were from. Thousands of ISIS fighters in Syria are not Syrian, but came to Syria to overthrow the Assad government from a number of foreign countries -- including from France and the US.
Ironically, the overthrow of Assad has also been the goal of both the US and France since at least 2011.
Because the US and its allies are essentially on the same side as ISIS and other groups – seeking the overthrow of Assad – many of the weapons they have sent to the more “moderate” factions also seeking Assad’s ouster have ended up in the hands of radicals. Moderate groups have joined more radical factions over and over, taking their US-provided training and weapons with them. Other moderate groups have been captured or killed, their US-provided weapons also going to the radicals. Thus the more radical factions have become better equipped and better trained, while occasionally being attacked by US or allied planes.
Does anyone not believe this is a recipe for the kind of disaster we have now seen in Paris? The French in particular have been very active in arming even the more radical groups in Syria, as they push for more political influence in the region. Why do they still refuse to believe in the concept of blowback? Is it because the explanation that, “they hate us because we are free,” makes it easier to escalate abroad and crack down at home?
It may not be popular to say this as emotions run high and calls ring out for more bombing in the Middle East, but there is another way to address the problem. There is an alternative to using more military intervention to address a problem that was caused by military intervention in the first place.
That solution is to reject the militarists and isolationists. It is to finally reject the policy of using “regime change” to further perceived US and western foreign policy goals, whether in Iraq, Libya, Syria, or elsewhere. It is to reject the foolish idea that we can ship hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weapons to “moderates” in the Middle East and expect none of them to fall into the hands of radicals.
More bombs will not solve the problems in the Middle East. But a more promising approach to the Middle East is currently under fire from the isolationists in Washington. The nuclear deal with Iran ends UN sanctions and opens that country to international trade. Just last week the presidents of France and Iran met to discuss a number of trade deals. Other countries have followed. Trade and respect for national sovereignty trumps violence, but Washington still doesn’t seem to get it. Most presidential candidates compete to thump the table loudest against any deal with Iran. They will use this attack to propagandize against approving trade with Iran even though Iran has condemned the attack and is also in the crosshairs of ISIS.
Here is the alternative: Focus on trade and friendly relations, stop shipping weapons, abandon “regime change” and other manipulations, respect national sovereignty, and maintain a strong defense at home including protecting the borders from those who may seek to do us harm.
We should abandon the failed policies of the past, before it’s too late.
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Peace in the Middle East?
Israel cannot allow this.
Israel will not allow this.
Even though they are God's chosen people, they still fear what will happen without the USA's protection.
>>>> RON PAUL
>>>> BATHHOUSE BARRY
"Why do they still refuse to believe in the concept of blowback"
Becasue in this case (see the Far East - Asia - for proof) it is not blowback that is the problem. It is radical islamists who insist on killing or converting the infidels who are the problem. They will kill anyone not of their sect of Islam., let alone a Christian, Jew, Hindu, or Budhist, whether there is push back or not.
Dear Leader Obama has tried the "of if we just be nice to them they will stop killing us" crap and it hasn't worked.
And, yeah, yeah... shout "I hate jooos" all you want. It won't fix this problem.
it's america's pure arrogance that we think we can and should fix the worlds problems regarding these mental defectives crippled by religion.
Yes, America and 156, plus or minus, other countries including Russia. Arrogant bastards. Now BOW to Allah, arrogant infidels, or we kill you one homemade bomb at a time.
Now giving in to the Mizzou cry-bullies, caving to everything that they demand... I'm with you all on that one! They might hurt us if we push back...
I'm down with the struggle!...
/s
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson
I agree completely with Jefferson. But Jefferson wasn't a surrender monkey either. When attacked he felt that we should defend ourselves even if it did involve possibly killing the people trying to kill us.
More from Jefferson:
Excerpt from a Jefferson letter to John Jay:
"The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Jefferson did declare war against the Barbary Pirates.
in 1805 United States Marines crossed the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forced the surrender of Tripoli, and freed the Americans that had been kidnapped and made slaves by the Muslims (reoccurring theme here?)."When attacked he felt that we should defend ourselves even if it did involve possibly killing the people trying to kill us."
The entire US War On Terror was built upon lies, deception and fear. 9/11 was an inside job, it wasn't Bin Laden and Saddam had no WMD's. ISIS is a creation of the CIA and Mossad and trained in places like Turkey and funded via Saudi Arabia and others. I could go on and on...but what's the use if you're going to use Strawman arguments that are patently false.
"...but what's the use if you're going to use Strawman arguments that are patently false."
Yes, I ask you the same question.
(Pearl Harbor was all an inside job as well and the moon landing was fake, fake, fake! - all done on stage in Hollywood. I'm with ya, dude! Now where did I put my tinfoil hat?...)
We deserve much better trolls than you fuckhead.
I counter with facts and you come with yet another strawman. Nicely done. I guess that takes practice.
"I counter with facts." "9/11 was an inside job"
LOL!!! Go take your nap, cupcake.
A quality shill would have an account ready to go with more than 7 weeks
Yes. The Joooos!!!! I admit... The Jooos are making me do this!...
Clowns.
Incorrect, no one made you into a traitor to European people other than yourself. Allying with Semitic interests is allying against European interests.
Read this then get back to me on conspiracies and cover-ups.
In June of 1967, while serving as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General Corps, Department of the Navy, I was assigned as senior legal counsel for the Navy’s Court of Inquiry into the brutal attack on USS Liberty, which had occurred on June 8th.
The late Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, president of the Court, and I were given only one week to gather evidence for the Navy’s official investigation into the attack, despite the fact that we both had estimated that a proper Court of Inquiry into an attack of this magnitude would take at least six months to conduct.
Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., then Commander-in-chief, Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR), at his headquarters in London, had charged Admiral Kidd (in a letter dated June 10, 1967) to “inquire into all the pertinent facts and circumstances leading to and connected with the armed attack; damage resulting therefrom; and deaths of and injuries to Naval personnel.”
Despite the short amount of time we were given, we gathered a vast amount of evidence, including hours of heartbreaking testimony from the young survivors.
The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as “murderous bastards.” It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.
I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship was American.
I saw the flag, which had visibly identified the ship as American, riddled with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear that the Israelis intended there be no survivors. 10. Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded — a war crime.
http://www.usslibertydocumentcenter.org/doc/upload/Ward%20Boston%20Testi...
No it just takes someone that can read their manual of disinformation counter arguments. The ones with the practice write the manuals, the disposable mouth breathers are the ones monitoring the forums.
I thought I saw your tinfoil hat floating in the Gulf of Tonkin.
False border raid by Mexicans in American territories (1846), USS Maine, boiler explosion (1898). German warnings that the Lusitania carried arms and would be treated as hostile pulled from US papers (1915).
Blowback, for the buggers in power, is a feature not a flaw, in their insane inhuman games.
Makes it easier to stifle freedom and protest at home as well as enabling MIC to make a killing.
Key words are WHEN ATTACKED" I don't recal being attacked here int eh USSA
Key words "when attacked." The Barbary Pirates did not attack us here in the USSA yet Jefferson went to war with them.
They were kidnapping U.S. merchants and selling them into slavery.
You even acknowledge this and are still not understanding why the U.S. went to war.
Oh, please. I was responding to the previous comment ("I don't recal being attacked here int eh USSA").
In other words - yes, as I stated previously, Jefferson went to war for things being done overseas, not on US soil. I agree with Jefferson's stance and with what he did.
Get a frick'n clue.
The reason many of you go back and forth is because both lines of rreasoning are illogical. It's not about which govt is better, or worse, or whether some politician said something 220 years ago, what his true beliefs were, or how he contradicted himself, or which form of slavery, theft and murder are better. Govt is the enemy. The govts have gotten us into this mess, and they can't help us get out.
You're only giving part of the story.
When that war was over, the US signed the Treaty of Tripoli with the Bey of Tripoli. A key part of the treaty stated that "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The fact that the US is not a Christian nation was considered so noncontroversial by the Founders who sat in the Senate at the time that they unanimously voted to approve the treaty.
The more you know!
It was a European country. As in European values and virtues. They avoided the Christian question because then you have to define Christianity, and there are too many idiots that would argue over that shit.
Look how many morons are arguing for having Semitic people represent European interests in the US and in Europe. They do this while pretending that there are no cultural differences, and that the track record of Semitic invasions of Europe that were happening even as short as 300 years ago doesn't exist.
Treaty of Tripoli was 1797, signed by Adams.
Even more of the story:
After defeating the Muslims (Barbary Pirates) in a war the U.S. paid a ransom of $60,000 to get the U.S. citizens, now Muslim slaves, back.
Some Americans also held slaves at the time. So I guess you hate America too?
Cute!
That's the way to confront your hypocrisy.
...Except that the portion saying that we are not a Christian nation is not in the portion of the treaty that was given to the Barbary pirates in Tripoli. That in effect either nullifies the treaty or means that we did not include it because we did not mean it. Oh those lawyers!
As should always be our goal. But even Jefferson found it a difficult path. Protecting your interests will sometimes require preemption. It comes down to if all you care about is a fair fight or winning.
"Protecting your interests"
True for individuals, however States are not individuals with "interests".
Small Print - Except Islamic pirates.
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson
The problem is the people and corporations in the shadows have things going exactly the way they intend it to go.
Can't make very much money manufacturing and selling miltary hardware if peace broke out all over. The defence contractors need wars.
And the Saudis manipulate the U.S. to do thier bidding by holding the petrodollar status quo over our heads. So our CIA and other covert operatives stir up wars such as the one in Syria for the benifit of the Saudis. The defence contractors sell a lot of hardware and the Saudis may eventualy get their pipline through Syria so they can sell more of their products in the EU.
Russia looses market share for those same types of products, collapsing the Russian economy.
The greedy, craven, and venal sociopaths always take over.
Kill the sociopaths, in the defense of humanity.
True that the MIC is a war junkie, but the worst of it all is that the Fed gets to digitize all of those new $$ to get interest on the added bonds from the taxpayers in the world's largest Ponzi.
We are soooo fucked.
Ass in the air, forehead on the ground. Must do something to shrink brain size.
Right or wrong, if these Neanderthals keep killing Westerners, some politician is going to get elected (like Hitler did) by promising to turn the sand into glass.
Saddam must be laughing his guts out in the fires of hell.
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Ass in the air, forehead on the ground. Must do something to shrink brain size.
Whereas in America we wrap men in skirts and say they're girls. Much more progressive.
Gimme a break! you are in your parents basement jerking off to a Heathkit PC. Just die.
Ouch! An unprovoked attack that will create blowback. Hypocrite much? LOL!
Sticks and stones will break your bones but trolls like you are especially vulnerable to words. Truth hurts, doesn't it?
Why no, actually.
(Tip to the particularly dense: Note the "LOL!" at the end of my comment. Sad how many don't understand sarcasm even when identifiers are attached.)
And feel free to call me names all you want. It's kind of cute, really.
Let's call you Mohammad. That sounds really cute. And for the grammatically impaired may I add, "LOL?"
Sounds good! Make it Mohammad the Little Boy Porker to add spice to it.
Now, Mohammad, you know you can't have pork. Just eat your crow and hush up.
Argument ad populum. Everybody hates them. Everybody can't be wrong, right? I mean this is the basis for Demockracy. If you cannot trust insane people in charge, who were put there by irrational voters, who can you trust?
The right argument is that Islam appears to be or is at least used in the creation of, a murderous fascist political dictatorship, that condones the initiation of force against to exterminate non-believers.
Violence is the failure of reason.
Ron, it's fake...
he knows that. same with 9/11
he beats them with their own stuff
Exactly, and Ron Paul will never come out and say it, but somehow he's ready to provide the solution to the fake event. He doesn't even have the excuse that he's in office any longer...all bullshit.
What purpose would be served here? Is your ability to observe with your own senses, and to reflect critically on that which you've observed, predicated on validation by authority?
Wrong again. The West regaining its sovereignty from the Joos would do that and more. It would solve ALL of our problems.
Even the heartbreak of psoriasis?
Hussein, Ghadafi and Assad had kept the radicals in check in their countries.
Beirut as well as the rest of Lebanon were peaceful until the West disrupted the order there.
Ukraine was peaceful too.
Stop fucking with other people's affairs!!!
Now that would be swell! But people think their nation/leader's stuff don't stink...there is enough stink to go around.
Hussein, Ghadafi and Assad had kept the radicals in check in their countries.
Beirut as well as the rest of Lebanon were peaceful until the West disrupted the order there.
Ukraine was peaceful too.
Stop fucking with other people's affairs!!!
This site is full of zealous Jew haters and arm chair conspiracy theorists. Don't bother trying to teach them.
I enjoy a brisk stroll with my conspiracy theorizing. Shows how much you know.
Nah, not full, almost, but some dense dock shit has sunk to the bottom and polluting the pool.
In regard to what hedgeless said...
Jewish people believe in a creator like Muslums do. They don't believe in God. God is Jesus Christ.
It never ceases to amaze me how many stupid evangelicals are out there. Not saying Hedgless is one.
Whom is Jesus referring to when he repeatedly references The Father, if not the God of Abraham?
I believe provoking a theological discussion with the prior resondent will prove to be a fruitless endeavour based on his statements thus far.
He is googling, "God of Abraham."
but his presumptions will likely prevent him from ever discovering the bloodthirsty nature of ihvh
Abraham had some bad juju in his loins, his seed dropped out Isaac and Ishmael, two fucked up troops, then the seed of Ishmael got saddled with a two cousin (I think) rivalry and they have been fighting each other ever since. Shia and Sunni.
This was all started by Abraham fucking around with the maid and spat out Ishmael, Isaac's half brother. What a fucked up mess that Muslims, Christians and Jews have devolved. All because the wife got her vagina in a wad because Abe was fucking the maid. That shit still happens, BTW.
How many millions have died over this inbreeding? You'd think the Hatfields and McCoys would have learned better, especially after those degenerate royals in Europe that inbred with each other have started a long list of wars on their own, too.
Religion has been the bane of human existence ever since the aliens upgraded human DNA to higher consciousness. They obviously halted the experiment too soon and left an unfinished mess.
Mazlow's Hierachy of War Needs;
Protein, then pussy, then religion, then esoterica (power, recognition, wampum, more varietal pussy, dick length fantasizing, etc.)
Let's give Isolationism a try, this ain't working.
Stupid evangelicals believe Jesus Christ is god.
If terrorists, moslems, anti-jews lay down their weapons, there will be peace. If Israel lays down their weapons, Israel will be obliterated from the face of the earth...I believe Netanyahu is correct.
So, you either believe that God would allow that to happen to his chosen people, or Israel isn't really God's chosen people. Which is it?
If they are his chosen people then he certainly isn't my god.
God doesn't have any chosen people. His chosen people are mankind. He doesn't plasy favorites and Christians who claim that Jews are God;s chosen people don't understand scripture in light of the New Testament. If you have a hard time understanding that then read Galatians 3:28 and read Acts 10:24.
wait we all know what solves this is a big march in paris, hand in hand, arm in arm, solidarity, chanting we are charlie Hebro ..oh wait that was the other massacer of innocent lives..well it coulda worked. never mind.
I thought they were God's choosy people
Looks to me like you are Netanyahu's fool.
Certainly somebody's
You should change your name.
Yes, thank you Ron. However, if it is your goal to dramatically decrease the human population and keep your MIC corporation in business, then perhaps this isn't such a "failed" policy...
The truth is always treason in an empire of lies...
However, if it is your goal to dramatically decrease the human population
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Just implementing the spirit of the Georgia Guidestones...what's the big deal?
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Came across some Florida mugshots on a website earlier this morning. Completely changed my mind about culling the herd.
Standard Disclaimer: When did face tattoos suddenly become all the rage?
Ya, we tried to hire temps for 4 weeks to help out with the busy season. OMFG, so many are just not trainable.
Facial tattoos are essential indicators to streamlining the winnowing mechanism of potential employees.
I keep a hammer by my desk.
IF I ever think about going back to work in the corporate world, I hit myself with it.
I might get a face tattoo. This way, if I ever think of going back, I can just say to myself, "oh yea, right, I can't go back now, I got that stupid face tattoo."
darwin plez rescue us from us...
They are very popular with MS13.
I like this trend. I see a ton of tattoos and am very thankful that they do me the favor of self-identification as a moron.
Common sense is despised in DC and for most of the public.
"Ron, you silly wabbit." -- the Syndicate
I like and respect Ron, but the only thing silly about his statement is the false premise he started with...it makes it sound like if not for meddling Westerners (all other meddlers OK) these psychotic Mohammadans would be peace loving souls that would leave us, nay everyone, alone.
Wrong, they would have gone nuts anyway. That people invariably make things worse does not absolve these creatures natural inclinations.
If we weren't bombing hospitals, wedding parties, destroying their infrastructure, collapsing their economies, arming them and generally shitting all over their back yards maybe,,,,just fucking maybe,,, they would have remained content with killing each other in ideological tribal warfare as they have for thousand of years, which would actually be quite a lot more predictable, manageable and preferable....
It works both ways. Muslims have killed more Muslims than either non Muslims have killed Muslims, or Muslims have killed Non Muslims. Are the same people defending jihad, defending blacks killing other blacks and destroying their own neighborhoods? Should the cops just pull out of black neighborhoods in hopes that the violence quickly dissipates? The chances of that happening are about equal to jihadists hanging up their vests and calling it even. There is no doubt the west has contributed mightily to this mess, but we did not create the NATURE of these people, any more than kicking over a bee hive changes the nature of bees. At some point it will have to become obvious that we cannot negotiate with this disaster. There are a substantial number who want nothing more than to die for Allah, something that rationalization cannot reason away.
I am not for rationalizing with irrational peoples, defending the indefensible, or negotiating with psychopaths. US policy in the ME is not about eradicating Islamic Extremism, Democratizing nations, ending poverty, curtailing the drug trade, spreading Christianity or any other do goodery that excites the American sheeples into blindly throwing copious amounts of money and support towards these stated goals. Our ME policy is not helping anyone but the Corporate elitists, at the very high cost of destroying the credibility and honor of everything America has historically stood for. I understand religious ideology has captured the minds of many who are willing to kill for those beliefs alone, however we create a lot more opportunity for hatred, and the consequential actions derived from such, by sticking our noses into that which we do not understand, nor is our valid concern. Give the radicals who want to die for Allah their wish. Leave everyone else alone in that process....
not my junk btw
I have a wasp nest behind the ivy that climbs on my brick porch pillar. I like my ivy for it's old school charm and don't want to tear it off to remove the nest.
My wasps are not the friendly variety, I am sure, but I don't feel the need to beat their nest with a stick to test their tolerence level.
They're wasps. I keep my eye on them.
So far, we get along fine.
I had a wasp nest tucked in a corner of my cedar fence, in the backyard, quite near to a cluster of live oaks my children climb on and swing from. My oldest is highly, highly allergic to bee and wasp stings, but neither of my two youngest have ever been stung. I assume they could be.
While I am prepared for an emergency should a sting occur, I'd still prefer not to require such preparations.
Since I value my children more than 50 wasps, I got Raid hornet and wasp foaming spray, and obliterated every mutherfucking insect on the hive. Then knocked it down with a stick and cleaned up the mess. Not a single one got away.
My children play happily and carefree. If I need to do it again, I won't lose one second of sleep over it.
Well fucking good for you mate who here really gives a flying fuck.
I believe it may have been an allegory for the mideast, perhaps?
A very poor one.
Piss Poor they call it in my neck of the woods.
You are a man who kills insects. What do you want...a fucking medal?
Oldwood's analogy about cops just leaving minority neighborhoods alone and hoping they sort it out among themselves is false. Those neighborhoods are ours and our responsibility. The ME is not ours.
As far as wasps and other stinging insects, I don't know where you live, but in my part of the world knocking out a wasps nest is no insurance policy for carefree living. They pop up all over the place, along with occasional hornets & honeybees and frequent yellow jackets (the real MFers). Stings are rare if you leave them alone, but I see your point and would do the same thing if I had an allergic child. But that is a clear and present danger that you can see clearly, and eliminate very quickly, and very inexpensively, all by yourself. You don't need anyone else to finance it for you, and you don't need anyone else to do it for you and risk being harmed.
Oldwood's analogy is stupid because that is exactly what would happen, peace would come back to those neighborhoods if the cops left along with their drug laws and harassment. It's very akin to the legalizing drugs debate. Drug laws cause the societal problems with drugs, not the drugs themselves. If you get the cops away from drug use violence would go down and quality up. If cops left those neighborhoods alone, the same would happen.
So Arabs are insects that should be exterminated? You sir are one sick mf'er.
The larvae would have made excellent fish bait.
Oldwood, is it your opinion that reefer madness has taken over those neighborhoods? You are living in a dream world where it's OK to kill and decimate a population? Scary evil man.
If "if's" and "but's" were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas, er winter Solstice...whatever...
I blame Thomas Jefferson, ever since he sent the Navy and Marines to kick Barbary Pirate ass it's gone downhill with our relations with the Religion of Pieces....
Stupid old dead white guys!
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So, it was because the US was bombing hospitals, schools and mosques in the early 1800's that the Barbary Pirate terrorists would attack our merchant vessels, imprison the crew and steal our exports? Don't be a putz. Have you ever tried to reason with cockroaches? Let me know how that works for you. Yes, we bring a good share of this upon ourselves as a result of covert (and not so covert) activities, but there's some ideologies that are not compatible with civil rule and life.
I fully understand the nature of ideologies incompatible with modern peace loving societies, however, to use that as an excuse, and cover, for destroying whole nations in a quest for resource control seems to me, might cause radicalization of other factions, which if instead left the fuck alone might go on to be good and productive citizens of said countries rather than be drawn into useless wars. Americas quest to rule the world is the biggest Ideological Threat, incompatible with civil rule and life, of them all. Stop buying into the MSM bullshit and try to think for yourself......
I do think for myself, which is why I recognize that US foreign policy plays a role in world-wide chaos and look to support those who will conduct themselves differently. If that's not sufficient to demonstrate different thinking to you and yours, then please kiss my ass.
They didn't concern us until we found out they were living on top of our oil.
You went into a hornets nest and smashed it with a stick, now you're upset you're getting stung. It really does not get any simpler.
Just jump on the nest, that will settle the little bastards down.
Funny you should mention that.
Extract the queen Imams. Quit trying to kill snakes by cutting off their tails.
No, but it does get more complex.
You were paid/blackmailed into ordering the hornets nest be smashed with a stick. Then others working for the ones that paid/blackmailed you acted as handlers for the irate hornets, guiding them right into your home to sting you.
That's closer to it.
discussion forgets about what is under the surface over der. hmmm, just mentioning...
Goat lube?
Wouldn't have to be anywhere near there...if pantywaist Gaia-worshipping trolls would let us play in our own dirt...
Hmmm....
Unfortunately hornets have a very short memory, so running away is a viable option. If those hornets however had memories that were passed from generation to generation for thousands of years, you just might have to kill a few to survive. This is how we have dealt with our natural predators seemingly forever. Our indoctrination, our beliefs, define us all. Peaceful coexistence cannot be a one sided affair, and if you have people who will not negotiate, will not even speak of peaceful coexistence, choices become severely limited, and pacifism is NOT an option. Radical Islam has NO desire for peaceful coexistence, and as such, makes them incompatible with a peaceful social structure, especially once they have been properly motivated, indoctrinated and supplied. They are the ideological equivalent of the pitbull who can live completely peacefully, and then be set off by an event or environment that has him ripping your throat out. These animals are never allowed to live. Anyone who professes this ideology, its extreme interpretation, should be considered as we would the pitbull. You can't reason with nature, with thousands of years of evolution and indoctrination that tells them that ALL other beliefs are an insult and a threat to Islam, and must be eliminated. They have relegated themselves to the same position that they are attempting to put everyone else, where their existence is a threat, which will eventually drive the rest of the world to destroy them.
Yes, Oldwood, you are quite right.
"Peaceful coexistence cannot be a one sided affair, and if you have people who will not negotiate, will not even speak of peaceful coexistence, choices become severely limited, and pacifism is NOT an option."
You are thinking about the Israelis, right? There have been many attempts by the Palestinians to negotiate. The party that has refused to do so -- while making a pretense of wanting peace -- is Israel.
A little history is a good thing not to forget.
Who stole the land of Palestine in the first place? Who expelled the local inhabitants living in Palestine? Who stretched out the so called peace process while occupring the West Bank? Who attacked the USS Liberty? Who did 9/11? Who put the Palestinians in an open air prison camp called Gaza, and dropped phosphoros bombs on them? Who has corrupted American political culture with money from mafia operations and the gangster state of Israel. In all cases, the Jews. The Jews. The Jews.
Most of the evil of the present age traces back to them.
I upvoted you, but I also must disagree somewhat. In the final days of Clinton, Israel gave the Palestinians 95% of what they wanted - and Arafat walked away. Immediately, violence resumed. And yes, it's ALSO true that Bibi doesn't have an honest bone in his body, when it comes to trying to find lasting peace.
Goyim = kafir. Until you understand that, you'll forever make the mistake of thinking one of those ideologies is somehow less intolerant than the other.
There is no good guy in that fight. America has had problems with Islam since Jefferson took on the Barbary pirates. As to the Talmudic Zionists, you already know the score on that one.
www.politicalislam.com/about
No one wants lasting peace if it means they have lost, that they will be subjugated and live in eternal fear. The lack of war does not mean peace, it just means a lack of any organized resistance to oppression. Their will never be any peace in the ME because there are too many on all sides doing well by continued violence and war. There has been no peace in Palestine because no one will capitulate or surrender. How long would WWII have lasted if the Japanese and Germans had not surrendered, especially if there was significant political will to prevent them from doing so. Many want Israel to surrender, as that is the Palestinian demand. Pick your side and live with the consequences. There is very little moral high ground left on which to stand.
The controllers don't want lasting peace as it would take a large piece out of the money they make selling killing machines
Government and central banks are the true enemies of humanity.
Schlomo Sand in the 'Invention of the Jewish People' delves into the fact that the modern zionists who do the killing in the ME are merely converts from old Khazaria, of much later origin. Their Palistinian victims are those hebrews who converted to Christianity either from conscience or pragmatism, and whose descendants, in turn, converted to Islam as North Africa was lost to the Byzantines.
Good people will make difficult choices to protect their families, and the real-politik of the time meant that many would choose Christianity over death from a Roman sword, and later many would choose to be Muslim, rather than pay exorbitant taxes to the dying Byzantine (Eastern Roman) empire many miles away.
Life is never as clear cut as many would wish it to be, and in life or death circumstances we all have our price.
All true.
So why not leave them to be pit bulls in their own pit bull heaven and stop trying to make pets out of them, calm and crazy alike.
They can breed faster than you can exterminate them, so it seems to be the sensible course of action.
Pretty tough to do when world governments are intent on multiculturalism, on rescuing the endangered and oppressed of the world, with absolutely NO regard for their own populations. Of course this should come as no surprise to those of us watching as they are willing to sacrifice our economy, our very lives to pursue their Utopian egalitarian goals. The "greater good" seldom includes us. Not all that different that imagining our greatest rewards await us in heaven as there is no reconciliation there.
"they fuck you in the drive through" in that all of their promises turn to shit once you are down the road and it's too late to do shit about it.
Let's use the example of a pit bull, a truly deadly creature if in attack mode. I see way more of them than I like now days, even though I know that properly socialized they are very loving and gentle dogs. Unfortunately, too many have been trained to fight, and they are quite dangerous, especially to women and children. However, just because they are dangerous does not mean I have the right to seek them out and kill them. In fact, killing someone's Pit Bull could get you killed or seriously injured. As long as the Pit Bull stays on the owners property, it is of no business of mine, or yours. If we had not been trespassing, we would not have any problems with the ME.
The way we wish it were is not the way it is, whether a Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Methodist, and other Christians that have missionaries (proselytizers). The missionaries would reach Islam zeal only when they advocate killing those that refuse to convert.
Therefore, it is justifiable to wipe their leaders off the face of the Earth and to rewrite the Koran that will allow them to coexist with all in peace. If not, they have declared that they will kill us that will not pray multiple times on our knees and elbows to the east. Therefore II, the whole bunch should be vaporized and excised from lands that they have ridden their Trojan Horses into. If Christians eventually do the same, banish them to the ME.
Do the same to the PC crowd that are trying to enslave us. This shit is about to go hot.
I like how a Russian plane was apparently blown up by "terrorists" and nobody gave a shit while some events happen in Frane and it's as though a nuke was dropped on the country.
Imagine what will happen if anything incredibly serious happens in this world.
Dont forget the protests at MSU! They re upset the spotlight is off of them. Also, this : http://therightscoop.com/attention-white-supremacists-are-pretending-to-...
Oh yeah, Dr. Paul, good to see you again.
media hype is an excellent indicator of nyc/dc sponsorship of en event
The Russians have been investigating the Airbus crash. They have been keeping their mouths shut. Apparently the cause is equipment failure, not terrorism.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html
Too coincidental, highly unlikely, but a possible excuse to avoid taking action.
http://www.wired.com/2014/11/countdown-to-zero-day-stuxnet/
If I can figure this shit out, I'm certain a team of Russian investigators will.
Yeah - you'll be lucky to hear about it at all.
Yeah I barfed all weekend long watching college and pro football teams take the field waving the French tricoleur.
120 dead is a daily toll in Yemen. But no one gives a fuck about brown skinned bugsplat
Bored at work? Looking for anarchist/libertarian fiction?
Rogue Library - Inspired by the likes of Mises, Ron Paul, Rothbard, Bakunin, etc
Ron Paul makes perfectly good sense which is why we won't follow his advice.
Ron Paul is about as daring as a politician can be and still get airtime.
The reality is much darker again. Black Ops is the order of the day - every day. But you can't tell/sell that to the rabble - it would bust their bubble.
And we can't have that now, can we?
We could have had this man as president, although I have no illusions about how long he would have lasted before taking a bullet. The MIC and CIA/NSA will not tolerate a non-interventionist foreign policy or respect for civil liberties here at home.
Every time countries kill someone in the Middle East, several survivors will avenge their death.
With the help of their handlers - the alphabet agencies that work for the banksters, who fund both sides of the conflict.
On Oct. 30 the U.S. had to sign the Vienna agreement with 15 other countries including Russia. The aim is peace in Syria negotiated between the government and those factions fighting it for domestic reasons. The agreement states that terrorists are must be defeated.
Thus the United States had to give up its illegal and violent aim of "regime change" and its illegal demand that "Assad must go," at least in words.
All of a sudden, we get this Paris thing! ISIS claims responsibility. The Vienna process drops completely out of sight.
How convenient! 911 deja vu all over again, as Yogi would say.
http://thesaker.is/joint-statement-final-declaration-on-the-results-of-t...
U.S. policy will bow to no one when it comes to controlling the M.E. no matter the cost in human lives and suffering. After all freedumb isn't free Bitchez.......
You are on to something. The USA has staked it's global super power reputation on ending Assad's Syria. They are not about to take NO for an answer when it comes to overthrowing Assad and putting a dozen different Islamic Terrorist mini states in it's place!
In Afghanistan many decades ago, a secular, but socialist, Afghan government was destroyed by USA backed Taliban, and an Islamic Taliban State took it's place. In Iraq, a secular state at war with Islamic extremism was ended by the USA, and now over 1/2 of it is an ISIS state, while the other half is backed by Iran's Islamic State. In Libya, Africa's richest secular state was destroyed by NATO, and now tribal and Islamic ISIS roam the shattered country, making money off of oil and migrant ships headed to Europe. Syria, we know this is the next Target, the USA will not allow it to escape!
Yemen is well on the path to being an ISIS state.
It is clear the USA seeks a large Islamic radical presence and home base across North Africa and the Middle East. A radical Islamic army they can direct to move east and north, to begin Jihad first against the Central Asian Nations, then Russia, finally east to China.
The US plan is to allie with islamic jihad world wide to fight Russia and China in the long term global battle for hegemony.
That is the Big Picture, as I see it!
NATO has to get boots on the ground before Putin and the Shia Bloc obliterate ISIS and its too late to bleed Assad off the throne through the cointinued war of attrition.
As one of Assad's generals said, the Western countries' attacks against ISIS are bombing sand dunes and Syrian gov't infrastructure
This is an ongoing 1400 year war. Nothing will change their mind until they have total control.
Even if the USA was perfect and always stayed within our borders, they would eventually attack us.
Which "they"? The Muslims or the Judaics?
For the record it is the Judaics that attacked the US first - and conquered it.
When a minor fringe tribe of goat and sheep herders in the hills above Canaan decided to write themselves into the creation story as the chosen people of god, they began a long march to subvert all of humanity in order to realize their chosen path. When God pikes you as the one, all others are of no concern. Nothing has changed, other than these chosen have convinced many Christians of the rightness of the Zionist cause, and turned 100 million christians into rabid zionists, for whom Jewish power is the top concern of their lives and political influence.
And, that is all they did do. Write their names into the old creation stories and claim special status in the creation myth.
And, that is all they did do. Write their names into the old creation stories and claim special status in the creation myth.
Can you point me toward anyone who has done the research on this? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm saying I'd like to know more on the subject, from someone (or someones) who has dotted the Is and crossed the Ts.
Zecharia Sitchin for one. All those Old Testament stories were plagiarized from the Sumerians. It wasn't Noah in some stupid boat, it was Ziusudra in a Submarine. So is most of Greek mythology for that matter
You are right. Americans do not seem to know that the Jews were late to the party. Holy scriptures stem from much earlier stories, just as you say +100! Jews simply wrote themselves into them as the key figures and edited the story to fit their tribe.
Like anyone can find an example of 1400 years of peace.
Might be time to make a start on that, though.
To paraphrase 1400 years of peace starts with a single day.
I don't agree with the worlds oligarchs that the problems we face stem from over population, but I have to admit; Their solution is genius. Turn the worlds most ignorant into bigots, then flaunt hot button issues until they start killing each other! They have a lock on this.They even make billions off weapon systems on the other side of this trade all the while, they own the education system.