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"France Is At War": Hollande Unleashes 2nd Day Of ISIS Strikes, Mobilizes 115,000, Moves To Change Constitution

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France, still reeling from the carnage that unfolded in the streets of Paris last Friday, conducted dozens upon dozens of police raids on Tuesday, after more than 160 similar operations carried out on Monday led to the discovery of numerous weapons including a rocket launcher, Kalashnikov, and a bulletproof vest. 

French authorities are still largely in the dark regarding how many people were ultimately involved in the attack and with suspected “mastermind” Abdelhamid Abaaoud out of reach in Syria, police are focused on locating Salah Abdeslam who allegedly helped with logistics and rented a black Volkswagen Polo used by the gunmen who stormed the Bataclan concert hall. 

Of course really, the raids are a frantic attempt to track down and neutralize anything and everything before something else bad happens. As Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on France Inter radio, "we don't know if there are accomplices in Belgium and in France... we still don't know the number of people involved in the attacks.”

Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve says more than 100 people have been placed under house arrest and dozens have been arrested in the sweeping crackdown. "Under a state of emergency – which has been in place since the attacks on Friday – security services, police have extra powers and freedom to make arrests, search houses and confiscate weapons without judicial oversight," The Sydney Morning Herald notes.

President Hollande told a joint session of the French parliament on Monday that "France is at war" and that he wants the state of emergency extended by three months. Hollande also proposed constitutional changes. As The Herald put it on Tuesday, Hollande wants “to create a new version of ‘exceptional measures’, giving the government some emergency powers available under martial law.” Here’s Le Monde (translated), noting that Hollande’s proposals mirror George Bush’s Patriot Act:

But that wants Francois Hollande, is "to provide an appropriate tool for founding taking exceptional measures, for a certain period without going through the state of siege nor deny civil liberties". Clearly, this would be a somewhat state of emergency "light" in terms of the powers granted to the State, but may last longer. A proposal which is not without recalling the "Patriot  Act" that the Bush administration had vote after September 11, 2001.

Here's the bullet point summary from BBC:

  • Extension of state of emergency by three months
  • Changes to the constitution to allow the government to revoke citizenship of any convicted terrorists of dual nationality. Currently only those born outside France and naturalised can lose their citizenship
  • Measures to speed up expulsion of foreign nationals considered a threat to public order
  • Budget increases and extra recruitment to security forces and judiciary

If some of that sounds like it could be a slippery slope to you, you're probably correct. "Those returning from Syria could be placed under house arrest," AFP reported, citing a government source.

Cazeneuve also said 115,000 security personnel have been mobilized in order to "ensure Frances security." The police officers, gendarmes and soldiers are being deployed across France. Hollande also evoked a never before used clause in the Treaty on EU which compels member nations to provide France with "aid and assistance by all means in their power"

Meanwhile, the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle will be deployed to the eastern Mediterranean while French fighter jets pounded Raqqa for the second day in a row. Residents of the city (or "captives" as they might more appropriately be called given the fact that between ISIS and airstrikes they live in a perpetual state of paralysis), describe the last two nights as "insane." One activist who spoke to al-Jazeera described two "insane" nights and interestingly, also said that the French aren't really bombing anything and the only real damage is being done by the Russians: 

However, a media activist in Raqqa, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Al Jazeera on Tuesday that French air strikes had targeted abandoned ISIL bases in the suburbs of the city where there are no civilians or ISIL fighters. 

 

"It has been two insane nights. Abandoned ISIL posts were targeted at the entrance of the city, along with ISIL checkpoints and several other points. Electricity and water have been cut off as supply lines were hit too.

 

"We can confirm that there were no civilians killed or injured in the latest French air strikes.

 

The Syrian activist in Raqqa said that in the past few days Russian air strikes had caused the most destruction.

 

"Last week, Russian air strikes destroyed one of the main bridges in the city in addition to the national hospital. Most hospitals in the city have been destroyed in Raqqa," he said.

 

"Russian air strikes have resulted in so much destruction. If these countries wanted to bomb the heartland of ISIL, they could have done so. But they still have not targeted the group's most important bases.

 

"This is what we do not understand. The targets bombed by French warplanes were mostly abandoned by ISIL fighters.

 

"Raqqa is devastated. Raqqa has endured the unbearable and we live in fear under ISIL's dictatorship.

 

"A lot of people fled the the city. In fact, most refugees heading to Europe are from Raqqa.

A couple of things stand out here. First, note that according to the source cited above, the French (using US "intelligence") are hitting targets where there are no fighters. The Russians, on the other hand, are hitting anything and everything which could hint at what many have alluded to all along - namely that the US is either i) intentionally avoiding ISIS, ii) scared of collateral damage, or iii) some combination of both and that's now finding its way into French strikes via the provision of intelligence from Washington to Paris. Second, the Russians are the ones doing the real damage to ISIS although there is of course the allegation that they are targeting hospitals because these days, everyone has to accuse everyone else of bombing hospitals.

Finally, note that now, the French are doing exactly what they and other Western powers accused Russia of doing last month at Aleppo: exacerbating the migrant crisis by wreaking havoc on populated areas. 

But we suppose they had no choice...

 

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Tue, 11/17/2015 - 08:51 | 6803818 agent default
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Moves to change constitution.  Never let a good crisis, THAT YOU HAVE FUCKING CREATED YOU FUCKING SCUMSUCKING FUCKING SON OF A BITCH, go to waste.  Meanwhile DC is taking notes. 

Next up, terrorist, Paris stile attack in designated "gun free zone".  Receipt for the gun, from gun show, found on one of the attackers.  Folded inside his Syrian passport.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 08:53 | 6803826 Latina Lover
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If the Citizens were given back their right to bear arms, this massacre would have never happened. Hollande would have been forced to find another way to deprive the French of their civil rights by imposing their version of the Patriot Act.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 08:54 | 6803834 Stackers
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Question: How does an "activist journalist", whatever that is, tell the difference between a French and Russian bomb falling from the sky ?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 08:59 | 6803844 Doubleguns
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Moves to change constitution.

 

That is the most devious part of this. Me thinks the facist side of the socialist pres is showing his true color. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:03 | 6803858 herkomilchen
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All crises are used as pretexts to move the ratchet of state power ever forward.  It has always been thus and will forever be thus.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:09 | 6803880 fudge
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French had this planned before Paris ..

For instance, France’s Prime Minister Manuel Valls has recently presented the Council of Ministers with a draft of the French Patriotic Act. In fact he proposed to provide security services with access to previously forbidden methods – the right to spy on one’s citizens on the Internet. To pass this law that has been labeled as a direct interference in private life by certain political forces, the ruling party has been actively exploiting the Charlie Hebdo attack along with the recent terrorist attacks in Tunisia.

http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/04/cameron-establishes-total-control-over...

They now plan to do more ;)

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:17 | 6803909 Tarshatha
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"with suspected “mastermind” Abdelhamid Abaaoud (Binladin) out of reach in Syria (Afganistan)"

You can't make this stuff up

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:27 | 6803938 Theosebes Goodfellow
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So what happens when the 115,000 security personnel have been de-mobilized? That old adage of "when seconds count, the police are just minutes away" comes to mind.

Of course allowing French non-Muslim citizens the right to bear arms is right out of the question. Funny how that isn't a priority when "changing the Constitution", huh?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:29 | 6803946 Boris Alatovkrap
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Firearm in hand of citizenry is out of question, Central Planner is forbid and they are smarter than is citizenry, no?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:47 | 6804004 fudge
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French 'aristocracy' have long memories, they remember what happens when the citizens take control ;D >> long guillotines

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:00 | 6804039 demoses
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It is 4 days since the attacks took place. How much longer do the "surrender monkeys" need to surrender to ISIS? Ohhh NM they surrendered to the ISIS puppet master instead since the get go...

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:16 | 6804110 SafelyGraze
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one needs a neutral term

like "explorers"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquistador#Background

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:09 | 6804377 Manthong
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This might not be so bad if France starts bombing the root of all evil over there.. in Brussels.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:28 | 6804439 nope-1004
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:37 | 6804486 Son of Loki
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Brussels ... a total cesspool.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:48 | 6804544 Joe Trader
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As much as Americans want to drag the US' politics into this, as much as they want to use these attacks to promote the rightful concealed carry issue (i agree we should be allowed to carry)

The fact is this: It's France's IMMIGRATION POLICY that failed all of us. Liberalism is the cancer that has caused all of this, if they had conservatives, yeah they'd be armed - but the most important thing to do is to stop letting them into the country, and to relentlessly expel these bastards back to the middle east, regardless if they were born in France.

Think it's impossible?

-Section 12 of the Potsdam Agreement was a clause to relocate all German nationals

-And I believe Truman expelled 1 million mexicans

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:07 | 6804631 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Your proposal borderlines on ethnic cleansing. History cogently suggests that once Western society gives in to this mentality, you and your ilk won't stop there, either.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:17 | 6804664 greenskeeper carl
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history suggests that not allowing certain people to freely enter your country leads to ethnic cleansing? no, it doesn't. its simple - stop letting such people into your country. it ends there.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:41 | 6804764 Anonymous User
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Europeans are too busy satisfying their kinky needs to think about reasonable methods to protect their territory and themselves

Just ask the germans. Nowadays, their ideea of ethnic cleansing is Golden Shower:

 

http://www.thepornster.com/video/455/skinny-blonde-euro-babe-pissed-on-a...

 

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:43 | 6804963 Pinto Currency
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Tough to follow the money when it leads back to the investigators

https://www.corbettreport.com/follow-the-money-from-paris-to-isis-to-paris/

and an open source investigation into Paris/ISIS attacks:

https://www.corbettreport.com/the-paris-terror-attacks-an-open-source-investigation/

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:37 | 6805274 mtl4
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Isn't that nice, we all knew it was a false flag event and now we know why they did it too.........France enjoy your Patriot Act while upholding "Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité"!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:33 | 6804928 Isy
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It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced.

All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!

http://tinyurl.com/q8qn2oc

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:46 | 6805651 HowdyDoody
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:25 | 6804702 Creeps
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You and your ilk won't stop either.  The ethnic cleansing of European and European founded countries has already begun, you and your ilk are either blind to it or giddy about it.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:55 | 6804823 overmedicatedun...
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eirik, won't be happy until consert goers across the EU end up in body bags.. the smell of the cult of death is strong with this one. let's hope eirik meets the neck knife  soon, it's only justice after all he's white you know.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:01 | 6804846 TruthHunter
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Larssen, huh?

It appears your Viking genes are completely educated into paralysis.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:20 | 6805175 Blue Vervain
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I strongly suspect his real name is something entirely different.

Anyone formally using a full personal name as their moniker on the web is doing so for a reason - Eirik's reason to give an impression of being Nordic.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:21 | 6806394 1033eruth
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Absurd leap of logic.  Deportation has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.  Its like an eviction, only from a country.  Would you like to say that eviction is ethnic cleansing too?  Idiot.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:13 | 6804647 BarkingCat
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That is really the problem. Any nation's governments first responsibility is protection of the borders.

In reality if we did not border protection and enforcement of  laws we would not need government.... and laws should be limited to those based on whether an action causes someone harm. Example: you using drugs cases me no harm. No law should exist preventing you from using drugs. However, you stealing from me to pay for your drugs does case me harm. However, it is stealing that needs to be illegal.

 

The few bullet points in the article are actually quite resonable. They should be able to revoke citizenship and expell non natives. Frankly if you are not caucasian, I don't care if your family lived in France for 10 generations. You are not French and never will be French. Just like a white farmers in Africa found out that they were not Africans.

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:20 | 6805184 cheech_wizard
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Eisenhower, Operation Wetback,,, (if memory serves)

Standard Disclaimer: Cut me some slack, I've only had 1 cup of coffee this morning.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:01 | 6804608 SMG
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Oh and while we're bombing here's another good place to target to get some of the people who are responsible for this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:31 | 6804732 Quus Ant
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regarding bombing targets:

"It has been two insane nights. Abandoned ISIL posts were targeted at the entrance of the city, along with ISIL checkpoints and several other points. Electricity and water have been cut off as supply lines were hit too."

Reeks of emergency bombing to prevent the Syrian army from capitalizing on Russian bombing gains. 

This whole thing stinks royally, but xenophobia covers a multitude of sin.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:39 | 6804757 Chuckster
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It's good to know we don't have the market for stupidity cornered.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:48 | 6804801 Quus Ant
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We have the monopoly, but franchise opportunities are available.

Operators are standing by.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:24 | 6805207 cheech_wizard
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Aren't the French getting their targeting information from the Americans?

Standard Disclaimer: Because who knows how to bomb empty buildings better than ther Americans. They've had over 6000 sorties to hone their skills to an exceptional level. I read that the US again killed some no name "2nd in command" ISIS member. I had to hold back the bile.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:17 | 6804114 Analyse2
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Ah, the 'ol French surrender jokes !

These old English racist jokes have been revivified since 2003 by the hate of american warmongers against France, and this hate still persists even in ZH.

All this ugly disdain and nasty jokes come from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003.

Since France refused to go to Iraq, American warmongers and neo-cons made French army look like cowards – as a punishment.

But History has proved the French were right, and that the WMD were only a dirty trick to serve as a pretext.

Nevertheless, the hate of American warmongers against France remains still there, well alive, even in ZH.

This stale hate still shows through "innocent good jokes" about the “surrender monkeys” and their white flags

As for the rest, the French can be proud of their Military History:

According to the British historian Niall Ferguson, since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10 times.

This makes France the most successful military power in European history - in terms of number of fought and won …

The French have succeeded to conquer and guard the largest country in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:55 | 6804318 de3de8
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Don't forget the ones about one forward and five reverse gears.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:36 | 6804483 IndyPat
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Some of those jokes I could do without....but....

Come on!

The "Maginot Line" joke never stops being funny.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:30 | 6804452 GMadScientist
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Before you get up on that high-horse, Napoleon, you can take a look at your performance in Libya. And then STFU.

Tell us how awesomely France did in South East Asia, while you're doing your whole revisionist history lesson.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:06 | 6804630 Socratic Dog
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About as well as the US did after them.  With a whole lot fewer resources.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:17 | 6804665 Analyse2
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@Socratic Dog

Right.

The French lost Dien Bien Phu because they were screwed by NATO (ie. the US).

In 1954 they had to specialize in jets while others in Europe had to specialize in bombers.

And when it came to fight Communism (the Viet Cong, massively helped by Soviet Union and China's troops) ... guess what... the US refused the NATO to get involved.

They had to fight the war without bombers, as in 1954 they had very few of these kind of planes.

And guess what... who had to fight the Vietnam war after the US sabotaged French effort?

Besides that, in 1954, when the French were finally defeated in Dien Bien Phu, they had 50,000 troops in all Vietnam, and their biggest planes were Douglas A26 and C47’s, and Vought Corsairs.

When the US was defeated by the same enemy some twenty years later, they had 550,000 troops, B52’s, napalm, missiles, big helicopters, the works …

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:39 | 6804762 ceilidh_trail
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Uh, no. We were defeated by lefties at home, not those in Vietnam. We won every major battle. We did an obama and decided to abandon the place. Under the pretext of a peace agreement, we left the S Vietnamese just like we left the Iraqis- unable to hold off the swarm.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:59 | 6804840 Quus Ant
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Russia and China didn't want a Western colony so close to home.  Go figure.  The West ravaged Vietnam, but to push farther would have risked a larger, costlier war. 

Blame the hippies for knowing the strategy was fucked from go.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:47 | 6804796 overmedicatedun...
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analy, you write the us was defeated by the "enemy"..for clarification the us surrender, was done in Paris, by politicians and the 5th column. communists McCarthy warned us of..on the ground in south viet nam, the war was won and nva and vc were relegated to empty jungle and cambodia and laos. (ps I do not want to let anyone reading this think I am for this war, but facts are facts, the enemy vc was eliminated until we pulled out.)

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:22 | 6804690 BarkingCat
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France was around in 387 BC???

I will have to call the history textbook publishers and inform them of their grave errors.

 

I will say that France has had one of the best fighting forces in the 20th century - The French Foreign Legion..... oh, wait, they are all foreigners.

 

Joking aside, the jokes originate back to WWII when Germany conquered France in one week.

It has nothing to do with 2003.

 

To be fair there were Italian jokes after WWII also. The one I remember is that Italians keep 2 flags in their closet. One for Germans and one for the Allies.

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:12 | 6805466 ebear
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"France was around in 387 BC???"

yep.

http://www.asterix.com

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:10 | 6806079 Analyse2
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@Barkingcat

French Foreign Legion : Oh wait, the first nationality represented in French Foreign Legion … is French ! and only French nationals can be promoted to the rank of officer ...

https://www.cervens.net/legionbbs123/showthread.php?1706-Nationalities-In-The-Foreign-Legion-Today

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion

"The jokes originate back to WWII when Germany conquered France in one week"

 

- Contrary to what has often been said, and is a result of the Nazi propaganda of that time, the German advance (Blitzkrieg) encountered serious resistance from the French troops.

In just a month and a half of fighting the French army counted 84,000 dead in its ranks - this is 4 times more than the losses of the American army in three months of battles in Normandy (21000).

- The sacrifice of the soldiers of the French Army of the North subsequently allowed the English to save their army at Dunkirk.

- Struggling one against five, the French fighter planes weakened the Luftvaffe (defeating two German planes for one loss) and this also helped the RAF to save England from invasion.

- At the same period (June 1940) Italy attacked France and the Italians were repulsed.

Yes, the Germans gave the French a terrible beating.

But it took the combined strength of the United States, Great Britain, Soviet Russia, Canada, etc., to beat the Germans. In fact, the Germans would have walked straight over the British or American armies if any of these places would have been directly adjacent to France.

France has faced 100% of the Hitler’s army in 1940, while for the duration of the war Anglo American allies have never faced more than 15% of the Wehrmacht (80% remaining were in the East).

 

Lot of French didn’t ceased the fight:

The LVF (Legion Volontaire Francaise), the French volunteer army that the Germans tried to organize, was a gigantic flop: Only a division was supplied to the German army, whereas the Netherlands (with a 4 times less important population) supplied 2 divisions.

British and American sources always noted how loyal and effective had been the French Underground in organizing the rescue of allied airmen shot in France, and in providing priceless intelligence, this at the risk of death, torture, deportation, etc

The internal French Resistance had 20,000 killed  and 20,000 more died in deportation.

- 58,000 Free French troops have been killed fighting the Axis, not including the internal French Resistance

- 100,000 French troops participated with success (under General Juin) to the 1943 Italian campaign.

- 6 Free French divisions did contribute hugely and effectively to the Provence landing (under General De Lattre de Tassigny). They held their ground in Alsace during the battle of the Bulge, disobeying Eisenhower’s orders to retreat.

- At that time, the Allied Forces on the west front consisted in:

US: 45 divisions - UK: 12 divisions - France: 9 divisions - Poland Free Forces: 1 division. 

In total, it wasn’t a lot compared with the Soviet forces on the east side.

That's the true History ...

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:32 | 6804922 hannah
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well the french can be proud of their military history and now they can also be proud of their sheeplestatus...BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO PUSSY TO KEEP THE MUSLIMS/ISLAMIST OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR DECADES. TOO FUCKING PUSSY TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THE LEFT THAT DEMANDED POLITICAL CORRECTNESS OVER SAFTEY......hahaha. the surrender monkeys are exactly that...they fucking surrendered to islam 40 years ago....

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:59 | 6805064 OldPhart
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The only nation with sunburned armpits.

And the name calling comes from WWII.

For sale, french rifle, never fired, dropped once.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:47 | 6805978 Vinz Klortho
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I believe the French lost 250,000 KIA during the German blitzkrieg in early WWII. The US only lost 350,000 KIA in the entire war, European and Pacific theaters.

They killed 50,000 Germans, despite incompetent commanders and little/no radio communications with the front lines.

The real ware was in the east, the Red Army vs. the Wehrmacht. 75-80% of all divisions involved and 75-80% of all casualties of the entire war.

Red Army won WWII for us, the US just mopped up after the hard work was done. Luckily everyone in Europe doesn't speak Russian.

But weren't the P-51 Mustang and ME-262 Swallow pieces of work?

Vinz

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:37 | 6806201 hannah
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yes - i think i remember those films of the russians hitting the beaches on iwo jima...?!?! D-day also had russians there i think...? maybe not....what a load of crap. lots of russians killed and they did fight like warriors but without usmoney and manufacturing, russia would have dropped out of the war.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:02 | 6804050 J S Bach
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All a beautiful example of hypocritical bombast.  Go after a bunch of arabs in Raqqa, but ignore the millions of arabs you've let leak into your country over the past several decades.  Ain't multiculturalism grand?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:32 | 6804736 Chuckster
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The stupid tax is in order.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:35 | 6806189 mkkby
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100 suspects under house arrest.

Watch those guys with automatics cringe in fear in their homes, just praying to allah that the nasty policeman goes away.

Tells you all you need to know about modern day france.  Not surrender monkeys, traitor jackals.  On to Vichy.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:53 | 6804817 BarkingCat
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It is not just the Arabs there but also Black Muslims from North Africa.

I have heard from people that have gone to Paris over the years and refuse to go anymore. They want to visit Paris as it was not some 3rd world shit hole that it turned into.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:32 | 6804463 GMadScientist
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Firearm? Da. Bullets? Nyet.

Is old trick from Eastern Front, comrade.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:28 | 6803943 Boris Alatovkrap
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Constitution that is knee-jerking change for one night of Mujahid fun is not worth scratch toilet paper is write upon.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:18 | 6804099 Sudden Debt
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It all is pretty logical.

 

1. Hollande declared war. 

As the EU constitution clearly states, when a European country is at war, every other country needs to contribute and assist that country in every way possible.

 

2. Hollande said that they won't be able to meet their budget goals because of it.

Well, the war rule also says that every country and the ECB needs to support that country in every financial way possible to get it's funding up to the required level.

 

3. When a European country is at war, it doesn't need to draft a budget. It's spend as you go.

So now it's pretty easy to understand why the word WAR was used within the hour of the attack.

FRANCE IS GOING TO WAR TO GET MONEY FROM EUROPE TO MEET IT'S BUDGET!!!

AND EUROPE WILL BE PICKING UP THE TAB FOR IT'S ENTIRE MILITAIRY MACHINE ALSO!!!

 

So: More QE directly to fund France it's war. 

 

So the constitution is important because it gave Hollande all the money that France needs.

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:24 | 6804152 1223pm
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Its all preparation for the coming dollar collapse.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:38 | 6804222 Sudden Debt
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This one is actually a bit more for a more urgent matter.

France is flat broke, they would be Greece in the next year if they didn't do anything about their finances.

They fixed it by doing the oldest trick in the book: WAR.

 

Whatever happens next in the financial world, we'll blame it all on war. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:20 | 6804350 Thought Processor
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"France is flat broke, they would be Greece in the next year if they didn't do anything about their finances.

They fixed it by doing the oldest trick in the book: WAR.

 

Whatever happens next in the financial world, we'll blame it all on war. "

 

 

The above is the most accurate statement on this page.  France needed a way out of the downward socialist spiral and now like magic one appears.  War.

It's frankly the only option they have left before turing into Greece.

 

Only obstacle is convincing the people that they NEED war...............

 

Enter the never ending fight against the ever elusive terrorists and presto-  Problem solved.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:33 | 6804442 Sudden Debt
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Yep, and it needs to be a long war. They don't have the intention to speed it up because as long as ther is war they can print as much as they want or need.

It's the same trick America has been doing for decades now. It started since the Vietnam war that America didn't really wanted to win and it continues this day with over 60 other wars. It's the reason why America didn't had a real budget since ever.

And now we're in the same tornado for decades to come.

And people should know that what we call a crisis now will keep going for a long long time and will only worsen untill our currencies are worthless.

They now have a easiest job in the world our political friends as money will be falling from the skies.

And off course everybody will want to join the effort as that will be their trickle down effect.

IT'S GOOD TO BE A ARMSDEALER!!

We'd better do a inventory of the weapon supply and contractors of the European continent and go long on those fuckers because their stock is going to explode!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:19 | 6804673 two hoots
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We should consider:

 

A total ME siege. A complete (oil/gas/travel/all) embargo coming out of /going to the ME and a freezing of all assets, until they change + 1 year, no exceptions.

You cannot stop ME terrorist or ME financing  with a long protracted war.  At some point the young merely replaces the old.  If you escalate your efforts to do more of the same thing most will hide, others will strike on your soil and let your cost build and build.  Once you decrease your efforts they will return and strike.  On and on until they price you out, wear you out.  

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:05 | 6805092 OldPhart
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Logic and reality are NOT highlights of politicians.

They will do what they have continued to do.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:59 | 6804599 FreeMoney
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I think it is all part of a much longer game, to homoginize the populations through immigration, allowing the establishment of one currency, one bank, one government.  The big messages right now are"us vs them", and "compassion for the refugees"

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:28 | 6804722 Chuckster
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I still want to see Holande (wimp) moon them on national tv.  The greatest statement ever made.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:26 | 6804709 Chuckster
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I love this post so much I could cry!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:01 | 6804844 BarkingCat
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The Head Frog can try that but I am sure most countries will tell him to go fuck himself.

What nation is France at war with???

If they are at war with Syria, then they are the aggressor.

Hell even if they grant ISIS the coveted nation state status, France is still the aggressor because they had bombed them before the Paris attacks.

 

With regard to their budget, that is an internal matter and for the politicians and French people to deal with.

Next election Hollande will be tossed on his ass and Le Pen is very likely to win.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:18 | 6804115 Day_Of_The_Tentacle
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"Changes to the constitution to allow the government to revoke citizenship of any convicted terrorists of dual nationality. Currently only those born outside France and naturalised can lose their citizenship"

I agree that kneejerk change to a constitution is not a good thing, but this sentence could also - in theory - be applied to "other" dual citizen intelligence operatives as well, should any of those ever find their way to a court room.

Just sayin... 

 

Btw, did anyone notice the slight ramp-up in anti-Saudi rhetoric these last few days? (Few months actually) Article "Are we bombing the right country" and the "Saudies are going bust because it is expensive to support all those terror groups". I am sure they deserve every bit of it, but just consider who might be nudging this ramp-up in media coverage along. Maybe the other end of the finger that is pointing vigorously is getting a wee bit nervous.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:12 | 6804643 Socratic Dog
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That's the truth of it Boris.  If a constitution can be gutted so easily, it really isn't worth a pinch of shit.

Perhaps that's why the US founders seemed to be relying on an armed populace ('organized militia') to keep it all together.  Unfortunately, they never anticipated the mind-robbing power of mass media.

The message seems to be that the people will get the constitution they deserve.  Or earn.  Or perhaps maintain.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:31 | 6804733 Boris Alatovkrap
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<-- Mind Robbing Power of Mass Media

<-- Mind Surrendering Weakness of Masses

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 08:23 | 6808283 Victor von Doom
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The US citizenry were told as much by the Founding Fathers - "...if you can keep it."

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:30 | 6803953 two hoots
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Costs?   France to break EU budget rules.    Is ISIS (collective) smart enough  to count amoung its casualties the growing cost of the war effort to the West?   Are we, the West, ultimately fighting the full force of the oil/ME cartel on many fronts in their attempt for some grand scheme?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:19 | 6804671 Chuckster
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We are paying the stupid tax.  When you do stupid things...you have to pay the stupid tax.  I can't remember exactly who said that....it was either George W or Al Bundy.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:17 | 6804045 fleur de lis
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A witness describes the attack:

http://winteractionables.com/?p=27317

The precision is far beyond the abilities of stupid jihadis.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:50 | 6804297 hibou-Owl
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The government need to change privacy laws and monitor all soical media, stop VPN's and fake IP's.

Secondly catch the fucker on the run, shave his whiskers, roll him in pig fat naked and string him up in a tree in Paris. Let the nigger freeze!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:16 | 6804658 Socratic Dog
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So, they're not monitoring social media now?  Sure.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:47 | 6805656 shovelhead
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They're not even monitering outside terrorist alerts.

Maybe most of them come in at lunchtime or during their 6 week summer vacations.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:07 | 6804863 BarkingCat
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I have a dilemma with your post.

I completely disagree with the first sentence and completely agree with the second.

I guess they cancel each other out and you get no vote.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:44 | 6804783 piceridu
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Right out of Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Perle playbook.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:26 | 6803935 Id fight Gandhi
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Of course take MORE rights away and everyone is suspect.

Common sense and what the people want is to stop 100,000s of refugees walking in without question.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:33 | 6803967 Boris Alatovkrap
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Necessity is cry of tyrant, mantra of slave:

http://tragicsouls.blogspot.com/2012/03/slippery-slope-of-necessity.html

Always is good legslation and action of state from knee-jerk reaction to crisis. Only thing more sad than political class sell crisis urgency is citizenry make full on purchase of urgency.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:35 | 6804478 GMadScientist
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Indeed...."mmmm, this is great sausage, what's in it?"

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:49 | 6804552 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is funny story of sausage making. When is still young man, is lose job shovel coal but lucky day is get job for maker of sausage who is take delivery of coal. Boris job is run meat grinder and is well train not have loose attire or strap. But young punk son of sausage maker is ignore rule and is poke around in meat bit, look for better cut of meat to take home for slut wife. One day is poke around and Boris is turn on grinder. Oops.

Okay, maybe is not so funny, but cosmic kharma is amazing, no?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:59 | 6804593 GMadScientist
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"From our family, to yours."

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:57 | 6804828 Implied Violins
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When it comes time to run the wood chippers, you're the man!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:02 | 6803854 Oldballplayer
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Russian bombs kill civilains, ISIL, and whatever is under them.

French bombs blow up empty fields and buildings.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:34 | 6803972 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is cast vote for efficiency of Russian bomb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNYe_UaWZ3U

Czar Bomba

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:04 | 6803990 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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Us has been bombing empty fields also. No surprise since France got its intel from USA.

Fake bombing runs are common, and always have been.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:03 | 6803860 Latina Lover
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It's easy, the French bombs are the humanitarian bombs, killing you to free you from tyranny.  The Russian bombs are evil bombs, killing you to support the Assad regime.  The result may be the same, but  the intentions are different.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:07 | 6803875 overmedicatedun...
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in the eu and to some extent the usa, the leadership claim the moral high ground, the intellectual peak of knowing all things..

yet the wests leaders never fail to do the worst things for humanity and their countries. the outcomes are always, death, destruction, poverty and loss of freedoms.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:27 | 6803939 shovelhead
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Yeah, but we got baseball and hot dogs so it's all good.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:33 | 6803966 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Yeah, but we got baseball and hot dogs so it's all good."~

Wait, you mean Kansas City didn't win the World Series? I thought it was all wrapped up until next April!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:31 | 6803959 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Why overmedicated, you sure sound like that "Hope and Change" thing isn't working out for you! I guess the "War on Terror" didn't either, did it? Well, there are prices to be paid for being the House of Saud's lap dog.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:13 | 6803894 Buster Bluth
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Answer: Tape a passport to the bomb. You can read the nationality after the explosion, due to their exceptional explosion proof materials.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:22 | 6803924 Pliskin
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The French bombs are made of cheese.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:34 | 6803971 Theosebes Goodfellow
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True dat, Snake. I've had some bomb assed Frog cheese.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:31 | 6804191 froze25
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Its easy, the Russians release videos of the Isis guys being blown up.  You see the ISIS fighters dying and running away.  All the other nations that are bombing don't do that.  They just say we did this and we did that with no video.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:31 | 6804455 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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A good question.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:55 | 6804575 New_Meat
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Stack:

"Question: How does an "activist journalist", whatever that is, tell the difference between a French and Russian bomb falling from the sky ?"

you weren't paying attention.  If the "activist journalist" is able to give an account of what is happening, then it was a french attack.  If the "activist journalist" is bloodied and incoherent from blast shock, that was Russkie.

Frogs are bombing perimeter and abandoned facilities-->stale intel at best.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:25 | 6804706 Deus Irate
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"How does an "activist journalist", whatever that is, tell the difference between a French and Russian bomb falling from the sky ?"

Answer: they don't. That isn't the point anyway. The whole Paris "attack" was just a savage face-saving exercise designed to allow Putin to come back into the fold, so once again the "world" gang can continue to rape and plunder as a team. If I were Iran or China I would be very nervous right now.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:27 | 6804714 HowdyDoody
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'activist journalist' = 'Soros stooge'

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:58 | 6805041 PrometeyBezkrilov
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Obviously by looking at the jets that dropped them. As one can imagine, bombs do not just fall from the sky. There should be some air force activity, and usually it is not hidden by those who conduct this activity.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:01 | 6806041 3Wishes
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The French ones arn't scared following the Big Bear ones.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:01 | 6806042 3Wishes
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The French ones arn't scared following the Big Bear ones.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:11 | 6803881 fleur de lis
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Our inaptly named "Patriot Act" was all written up and set to go on a moment's notice after years in the making. Just in case something big happened. It should be interesting if the French version is the same.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:56 | 6804579 highandwired
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Not "just in case something happened."  I would say it was "all written up and set to go" WHEN the Satanists were ready to pull the trigger, which they did by murdering innocent people by setting explosive charges in THREE building on 9/11

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:44 | 6803994 Dugald
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Where is  Robespierre when you need him

The Committee of Public Safety then took over the rule of France and began a three year Reign of Terror during which it brutally put down royalist uprisings, conducted wholesale murder of families with royal ancestry and sent thousands to the guillotines without proper trials.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:50 | 6804135 fleur de lis
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Robespierre was a violent psychopath who terrorized the entire French population. Why would you want a serial killer like him running around loose again?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:44 | 6804526 GMadScientist
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Starving your subjects to death through vain incompetence as le primer boulanger and an unwillingness to listen to the Estate Generale (or the Republic of Letters for that matter) as laissez-faire deregulation destroyed your kingdom is so much less gauche?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 09:54 | 6804017 TruthHunter
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Latin Lover?

Been watching too many episodes of Modern Family?

If they are too hot for you, start taking Pycnogenol and Arginine. That'll keep the lead in your pencil.

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:02 | 6804052 PenchantForHoarding
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I'll get junked for defying ZH conventional wisdom, but I'm going to go ahead and disagree with the "right to bear arms" meme as a thwarting factor to urban terrorism.  There's an inherently different "armed" day-to-day reality in different environments... the camo-clad rural prepper armed to the gills with an anocalypse bunker is a pretty far cry from, say, gatherings of 20-something hipsters and young people in an urban setting on a weekend evening.  Are we really saying that there should be throngs of open carrying bar and concert goers in places like Boston, NYC, LA, Chicago etc?  Really?  Walk me through a typical night out... everybody gets off work, maybe ditches casual attire at the office and changes into tactical duds, then meets for happy hour and maybe an activity?

Context matters, as much for preparedness as anything else.  Turning every US urban center into a version of Alabama, while a conveniently simplistic one size fits all political vision, isn't realistic.  It's 2015, not the late 1800's.  Friday night isn't really poised to turn into a shootout at the OK corral every time something happens, or seems like it might happen.  Look at how well mega-militarization of our police force has turned out!  Yay safety!  If anything, hyper-armament might even make it easier for these events to go down: what stands out more... suspiciously armed people when no one else is (aka a concert venue in a major, modern, 2015 western city), or someone with a gun in a sea of guns.

I get the glory days of the American revolution.  But we're a long way from muskets and triangular shaped hats.  Yes, we need to be ready to stomp these assholes... but "everyone should be armed" is a pretty childish purview of a fairly complex dynamic.  Just my $0.02

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:19 | 6804124 unrulian
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If you were in the club that night (that was attacked) would you still feel the same way?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:46 | 6804276 Urban Redneck
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I remember growing up in DC during Hizzoner's crack smoking reign.  There were shootings EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND at the clubs, either inside or out in parking lot, where most of us kept our guns (go-go, malt liquor, and guns aren't a good mix), of course you could always hang with Ian MacKaye and straight edge punk rock pussies and the worst that usually happened was people getting the shit beat of out them. 

Guns are not a panacea.  And by giving everyone the right to carry guns, the enemy is inevitably given the same perceived right (normalization) to carry the gun he will turn on his neighbors (unless one passes a law that only white non-Muslims males wearing "Fuck Allah and his Bad Religion" T-shit may carry firearms).  

It may, and probably is, the right thing to do, but unless you honestly the discuss the very real costs of doing so beforehand, there will be blowback, and then no one but the State will be legally carrying anything.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:00 | 6806296 Alvin Fernald
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"by giving everyone the right to carry guns"
Rights are pre-existing. Do you think rights come from the guv?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:29 | 6806386 Urban Redneck
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No.  You're incorrect.  Natural rights are customary, whereas civil rights are bestowed by a sovereign.

And before you get in over your head you might want to do your homework  (Sacriledge apparently screwed up a server backup again, and the google cache is missing the original comment, which was actually well thought out, but grossly incorrect).

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 19:21 | 6806640 Alvin Fernald
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Both the ability to defend oneself and to maintain property are natural rights.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 19:53 | 6806750 Urban Redneck
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Neither is natural right.  A freeman has the natural right to own property and a freeman the natural right to defend himself.

The right to bear arms, however, is a civil right, and a distinct codification of the aforementioned natural right.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 20:01 | 6806778 Alvin Fernald
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Who defines what a freeman is?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 20:11 | 6806838 Urban Redneck
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Generally speaking, a court or local statute.  Back in Groitus' day it was more of an issue, as there was a serious debate about the applicability of natural law to non-Christians, regardless of the broader accepted in-applicability of much of natural law to convicted criminals in the custody of the State.  

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 20:12 | 6806847 Alvin Fernald
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Right there you just turned your personal authority over to men in costumes. Good luck with your slavery.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 20:39 | 6806971 Urban Redneck
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No I didn't.  Just because and individual interprets words in a given fashion does not make that interpretation correct.  Words have specific meanings and applications in different fields.  It's like these sovereign citizen lunatics who think that they are both sovereign and have inviolable rights.  The two notions are incompatible- if one is a sovereign he is entitled only to what he can defend from other sovereigns and he is not entitled to any rights from that other sovereign, and in fact he cannot possess those rights without subjugating himself to that sovereign.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:26 | 6804164 Grimaldus
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You do not have any idea of what it is like to carry openly or concealed do you?

Just declare yourself a "gun free zone" and you will be safe! And right before the bullet fired by a murderer hits you, you might wonder why you were so progressive stupid. Maybe not in your case.

Life is hard. But it is almost impossible if you are progressive stupid.

 

 

 

Grimaldus

 

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:27 | 6804167 Government need...
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Having made the transition from camo-clad rural Texan (gun rack in every truck back in the early 80s) to NYC 20-something hipster, I can categorically declare your viewpoint gives far too little credit to individuals who choose to live in the big city in pursuit of their career.  The 2nd Amendment is a responsibility as well as a right.  If you are young and want to be a drunk wastrel, dont carry.  But by God, don't tell me I cant carry responsibly.  Look @ those NYC subway slasher incidents.  They happen EVERY year.  You get 3% of the populace armed, these violent crimes would decline in number.  Having the firearm provides a huge number of incremental options when an individual is faced with a potentially life-threatening situation.  You want to dramatically improve safety and reduce violent crime in large cities?  Make it prestigious to hold a concealed carry license, have competitions to qualify for those licenses, and celebrate those who do qualify with press releases similar to the banksters announcing their annual class of successful career criminals (managing directors).  Finally, make it a difficult, standardized gun qualification course, involving lots of shooting, including precision shots after running 100 meters.  Make every city cop take the test and publish their results, with their names.  THIS WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:40 | 6804238 PenchantForHoarding
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Well said, and I agree!  The arming has to be qualified, not just doled out to everyone en masse.  I've lived in NYC for 15 years, and it's scary that just about everybody has a drivers license, much less a gun permit.  There are a lot of morons out there that are dangerous enough walking around in a fog, not paying attention, zoned out on their phones with headphones in etc.  Adding a firearm to most peoples ADD-addled lived probably isn't going to help.

Totally agree, that a well-qualified and vetted say 3% (perhaps like an occasional air marshall on a domestic flight) could be a good tool.

I'm NOT a bleeding heart liberal advocating progressive curtailing of a right to bear arms.  What I'm saying is:

1) Location matters.  Urban is different from suburban from rural.  Each would presumably require different training.  Potential casualties from misuse are far higher in urban scenarios than others.

2) Select, elite, rigorous hoops being jumped through to carry is likely a lot smarter than everybody and their brother getting to carry openly.  Helicopter guns won't prevent terrorism any more than helicopter money will save fiat currency and government debt (topic for another day).

You layed out some good arguments, and I'm on the same page.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:22 | 6804683 greenskeeper carl
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good idea. then we can make people take a test to see if they have freedom of speech too.

 

Sorry, my rights don't come with any qualifiers and aren't up for debate. what you guys are talking about is a slippery slope. And just who gets to decide if you are "qualified"? the government, right? no thanks.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:24 | 6804699 Socratic Dog
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Beat me to it.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:25 | 6804695 Socratic Dog
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So who decides who's qualified?  Why, the government of course, silly!

The right to bear is not subject to government vetting, as written.  Fuck you and your government control.  You bleeding-heart fascist pussy.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:30 | 6804726 IndyPat
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Natural rights don't change due to location or year.

You are a prog, you just don't know it. It rubbed off on you.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 13:19 | 6804890 BarkingCat
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If you believe that then work to change the Constitution. There is a real process for changes to the Constitution.

Until it is changed the term "shall not be infringed" is the REAL law of the land.

Any laws that contradict that are in fact unconstitutional and null and void.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:27 | 6806417 Alvin Fernald
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"The Constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago. And it can be supposed to have been a contract then only between persons who had already come to years of discretion, so as to be competent to make reasonable and obligatory contracts. Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those persons, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now. Most of them have been dead forty, fifty, sixty, or seventy years. And the constitution, so far as it was their contract, died with them. They had no natural power or right to make it obligatory upon their children. It is not only plainly impossible, in the nature of things, that they could bind their posterity, but they did not even attempt to bind them. That is to say, the instrument does not purport to be an agreement between any body but “the people” then existing; nor does it, either expressly or impliedly, assert any right, power, or disposition, on their part, to bind anybody but themselves. Let us see..."
http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:33 | 6804189 NoDebt
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A concert hall is a private venue- they can forbid their patrons from carrying firearms in the facility if they want (you don't have to go there if you don't want).  In public areas, public rules apply since it's basically impossible to avoid going into public areas in daily life.  Should everyone be armed?  Absolutely not.  I don't want convicted felons carrying a weapon, or illegal aliens, to name a few.  Nor would I make gun ownership compulsory- it's simply not for everyone.  But you bet your ass I want bad guys ALWAYS LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER that granny in the grocery line behind them or the guy running the counter at 7-11 at 2am might just be packing heat.

If you don't know whether somebody is armed you must assume they are.  And that's why it works.  If you don't want there to be shit, don't start no shit.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:55 | 6804577 greenskeeper carl
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that guy above is trolling. He is equating more people being armed to prepper types going around everywhere is battle dress, as if its all or nothing. Im armed everywhere I go, and I certainly don't dress like that. I actually agree that that looks a little silly, although I think people should be free to do just that if they want to. I just carry a little 9mm pistol in the small of my back with an extra magazine. Even in shorts and a t shirt you can't see it. and a small pocket knife in my right pocket. No one evn notices it, which is how I like it. There is a big difference between that and camo duds with a tac vest and rifle. And if you are "that guy" in a setting where someone decides to start shooting, youll be the first one hit, too. Again, to each his own, and I certainly wouldn't prohibit people from doing so. Plus, I have kids I often have to carry, adding a rifle to that would get cumbersome.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:07 | 6804633 Ponk
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Most people, including well armed people, never see it coming. Gun fights aren't standoffs, they're slaughters. In this case, it wouldn't matter one jot whether French gun laws were different. We need to be armed only because collective gun ownership checks fascist state power. Don't delude yourself into thinking that widespread walking down the street open carry gun ownership makes anyone any safer. Someone can still pull out a gun and shoot you down. You won't be able to do fuck, not even if you're Chuck Norris. No one feels safe when everyone is carrying guns; it's an unfortunate necessity, an unavoidable insurance policy against tyranny, but at the end of the day, in densely populated cities, guns are just deadly weapons for shooting people. Giving people less reason to kill each other makes them safer, not tricking them into thinking that they can just 'shoot back'. I'm obviously not saying that we shouldn't own guns, but it's shame that we have to own them. Most great pockets of civilisation throughout history took place in cities where you checked your weapons at the gates so to speak, and I don't mean because they were illegal.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:14 | 6804651 greenskeeper carl
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if we were to follow that logic, we'd just have to believe its a coincidence that pretty much every time some nutjob decides to shoot a bunch of people, they choose 'gun free zones' to do it.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 20:56 | 6807062 Ponk
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You mean in the United States? There aren't any gun free zones there.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:33 | 6804738 Socratic Dog
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I was in israel about 30 years ago, at a time of heightened tension, whatever the fuck that means.  At the wailing wall I saw groups of schoolkids with their teachers, and most of the male teachers had a short-barreled auto or semi-auto rifle slung casually over one shoulder.  They also seemed to have a watchful air about them.  While I know a lot more about israel now than I did then, I still remember a feeling a comfort engendered by having those guys around, even though it would never have occurred to me I might be at risk from some sort of terrorist attack.

It's not the guns, it's the people carrying them. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:43 | 6804781 Urban Redneck
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So you apparently had no problem with the Palestinians being denied their natural right to carry arms to defend themselves...

According to your own logic you might be a "bleeding heart fascist pussy".

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 05:52 | 6808149 Socratic Dog
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As I said, I know a lot more about israel now than I did then.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:24 | 6804701 IndyPat
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Penchant for being a pussy.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:12 | 6805769 PenchantForHoarding
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Everybody's a John Wayne tough guy.

Been in the service?  Seen combat?  Been in extreme law enforcement?  You get to talk shit all day frikkin long.

But there just might be a few or more beer bellied folks out there all NRA and 2nd amendment with a safe full of guns who are no closer to using them than Call of Duty.

You guys can do well to open your minds to practicality.  Do you really want just anybody carrying a gun all the time?  Of COURSE, you guys are all quick draw mcgraw and would blow away any threat before they drew on you.

 

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Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:15 | 6806364 greenskeeper carl
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Not everyone will carries a gun now, even in places where they are allowed to. Even where I live (FL) where carry permits are pretty easy and cheap to aquire, not that many people do. Mostly only motivated and trained individuals. What I don't like is DENYING anyone the right or opportunity to protect themselves.

 

I am an above average shot, and have had pretty good training earlier in my life. I shoot relatively often(though not nearly as often as I would like) to keep sharp and familiar with my weapon. Having said that, no, I am not quick draw mcgraw, as you say. Im no where near as good as some of the guys I have seen, and Im sure there are plenty of people on here who are better. i am well aware of my limitations, both as a shooter, and what I would be able to do with what I carry. Its a little glock, the 43, in the summer. 6 shots with an extra mag of 6. in the winter, with a jacket, ill carry my bigger .40. i carry it for defense of myself and my family. first sign of trouble, I am getting us out the nearest exit, not drawing my gun and starting to shoot. Not that I don't care about others, but i care about my family first and foremost, and if i can get them to safety without firing a shot, thats my first reaction. Most people who carry on a daily basis will tell you the same thing, Im sure there are others on here who will confirm this. Most people who carry have no delusions of granduer.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:14 | 6804093 Dominus Ludificatio
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Morons,criminals,demeneted and respectful normal citizens bearing arms does not make anybody any safer or insure your rights.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:34 | 6804199 Victor von Doom
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Criminals are armed regardless of laws. Arming everyone isn't just an equaliser - it tips the balance into the hands of the upright citizens as they outnumber the other groups.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:02 | 6804352 Expat
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Avatar thief!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:19 | 6804674 Dominus Ludificatio
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Right ,you must have a patend on insanity.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:52 | 6804815 Expat
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Actually, I am amazed to see this picture popping up.  I remember buying that issue when it came out.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 11:19 | 6804410 Bangin7GramRocks
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I have an idea for the French. Invade Iraq! I hear they funded the terrorizers or have WMD's or some shit. That's what the red white & blue always does.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:36 | 6804744 Lea
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"If the Citizens were given back their right to bear arms, this massacre would have never happened"

Wisful thinking.

First, the French never had any right to bear arms, so there is no right to give back in that respect.

Second, did any gun save the USA from any of your school shootings so far?
These school murder rampages are proof enough guns won't protect anyone from terrorism attacks.

 

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