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Police Civil Asset Forfeitures Exceed The Value Of All Burglaries In 2014

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via ArmstrongEconomics.com,

Between 1989 and 2010, U.S. attorneys seized an estimated $12.6 billion in asset forfeiture cases. The growth rate during that time averaged +19.4% annually.

In 2010 alone, the value of assets seized grew by +52.8% from 2009 and was six times greater than the total for 1989.

Then by 2014, that number had ballooned to roughly $4.5 billion for the year, making this 35% of the entire number of assets collected from 1989 to 2010 in a single year.

Now, according to the FBI, the total amount of goods stolen by criminals in 2014 burglary offenses suffered an estimated $3.9 billion in property losses. This means that the police are now taking more assets than the criminals.

The police have been violating the laws to confiscate assets all over the country. A scathing report on California warns of pervasive abuse by police to rob the people without proving that any crime occurred. Even Eric Holder came out in January suggesting reform because of the widespread abuse of the civil asset forfeiture laws by police.

Bloomberg News has reported now that Stop-and-Seize authority is turning the Police Into Self-Funding Gangs. They are simply confiscating money all under the abuse of this civil asset forfeiture where they do not have to prove you did anything.

...in the U.S., I see some troubling signs of a shift toward low-end institutions. Bounty hunting was a recent example (now happily going out of style). Another example is the use of private individuals or businesses to collect taxes, a practice known as tax farming. A third has been the extensive use of mercenaries in lieu of U.S. military personnel in Iraq and elsewhere. Practices such as these can save money for the government, but they encourage abuses by reducing oversight.

 

I’ve recently been reading about an even more worrying example of low-end statecraft: Stop-and-seize. This term refers to a practice, increasingly common since the turn of the century, of police confiscating people’s property without making an arrest or obtaining a warrant. That may not sound legal, but it is! The police simply pull you over and take your money.

 

A Washington Post investigative report from a year ago explains:

 

"[A]n aggressive brand of policing [is spreading] that has spurred the seizure of hundreds of millions of dollars in cash from motorists and others not charged with crimes...Thousands of people have been forced to fight legal battles that can last more than a year to get their money back.

 

Behind the rise in seizures is a little-known cottage industry of private police-training firms…

 

A thriving subculture of road officers…now competes to see who can seize the most cash and contraband, describing their exploits in the network’s chat rooms and sharing “trophy shots” of money and drugs. Some police advocate highway interdiction as a way of raising revenue for cash-strapped municipalities.

 

“All of our home towns are sitting on a tax-liberating gold mine,” Deputy Ron Hain of Kane County, Ill., wrote in a self-published book under a pseudonym…Hain’s book calls for “turning our police forces into present-day Robin Hoods.”

 

With government unable to pay police as much as they need or would like, police are confiscating their revenue directly from the populace.

 

The threat to individual liberty from stop-and-seize is painfully clear. Without requirements for an arrest or for a warrant, the power to confiscate cash is a clear diminution of property rights. Effectively, the police have been given official sanction to commit literal highway robbery without the threat of punishment. People whose property was seized must pay a lot of money and spend a long time in court for even the chance of getting it back, and police who seize money with no good reason don't, apparently, suffer any threat of discipline.

 

But stop-and-seize also presents a danger to public trust.

Prosecutors are now instructing police on how to confiscate money within the grey area of the law.

A class action lawsuit was filed against Washington DC where police were robbing people for as little as having $100 in their pocket.

This is getting really out of hand and it has indeed converted police into legal criminals or “gangs” as Bloomberg News calls them.

 

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Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:32 | 6805250 Sonic the porcupine
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Why seperate out crimes committed by police employees from the other criminals?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:33 | 6805251 Boris Alatovkrap
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Who is real thief?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:38 | 6805282 Latina Lover
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I think we already know the answer.  I live in Nicaragua, where the police are called 'thieves in uniforms'.  If I am pulled over, the most I might 'pay' is the equivalent of $10 USD.  I have also driven in our country, and the most I ever had to pay the Musars (garbage) was less than 8 dollars.

Meanwhile, in the good ol' USSA, I could have my wallet emptied and vehicle confiscated to supplement departmental salaries.   Compared to the USSA police,  Nicaraguans  and Russian police are paragons of virtue.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:40 | 6805295 The Juggernaut
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Interesting how Mises also had an article like this: https://mises.org/library/white-privilege-has-nothing-state-privilege

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:52 | 6805360 pods
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Should read "all OTHER burglaries"

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:49 | 6806245 erkme73
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"This is getting really out of hand and it has indeed converted police into legal criminals or “gangs” as Bloomberg News calls them."

 

Sorry, but it isn't civil asset forfeiture  that makes cop a criminal gang.  It's their above-the-law, kill-unarmed-Americans, domestic-terrorist, no-accountability behavior that makes them an organized crime syndicate.  Getting to keep what they beat out of people is just icing.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:17 | 6806372 Government need...
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If a thief tries to steal something from you, fuck him up.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 21:47 | 6807284 Recidivism
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Why the fuck do you Americans put up with this shit?

It's fucking unbelievable that you all roll over and say "would you like my balls too? Oops, I forgot, I haven't got any".

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 23:29 | 6807627 gladius17
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Fuck the police

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 20:29 | 6811481 erkme73
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I ask myself this very same thing (as an American).  The problem is, you have to be so prinicpled on this that you're willing to die to make a point... A point, which incidentally, the media will quickly use to promote the "war on cops" bullshit.  Because, make no mistake about it, if you so much as put a hair out of place on a cop, the cavelry will be close behind to beat you to death - all in the name of officer safety.

A very recent reminder:

https://youtu.be/EyrBXHwHpz0

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:55 | 6805373 Baa baa
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Basura in Mexas.

Wed, 11/18/2015 - 01:19 | 6806169 JuliaS
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An old USSR joke.

At a routine traffic stop the driver fails to produce a valid license. The cop goes:

- The fine for not having a license is 25 rubles.

- I only have a single 100 ruble bill.

- In that case, the fine for not having a license is 25 rubles, the fine for not having a license is 25 rubles, the fine for not having a license is 25 rubles, the fine for not having a license is 25 rubles.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:45 | 6805329 FreeMoney
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How does this square with the 4th amendment?

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:47 | 6805337 FreeMoney
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How does this square with the 5th amendment also?

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:53 | 6805346 hedgeless_horseman
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How does this square with the 4th amendment?

How does this square with the 5th amendment also?

The 1st and 2nd amendments are how it squares.

Use these two, or lose them all.

Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his
liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of
life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent
upon the preservation of the other two.

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:56 | 6805381 FreeMoney
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I am just thinking that if this is so wide spread, there must have been a constitutional challenge over this somewhere...

I have heard that police will ask if you have weapons, drugs, cash in the car or on your person.  Sounds like the policy encourages lying to the police about what you have, giving them the opportunity to say " I thought some thing was fishy, so I decided to search."  then the finding of money...ect, proves the hunch correct and justifies the search and seizure.

As with all the scams going on perpertrated by government, enough joe sixpacks have not yet being subject to this tyranny for a movement to start. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:09 | 6805405 hedgeless_horseman
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...enough joe sixpacks have not yet being subject to this tyranny for a movement to start.

Until such time, and you can affect a change, the alternative to a roadside gunfight with the cops is to just bribe your sherriff and be done with it.

What is the name and cell phone number of my county sheriff?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:57 | 6806017 Bob
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Depends upon your mood or the kinda day you've had, perhaps, in Indiana:

http://www.governing.com/blogs/view/residents-given-right-to-resist-poli...

Hoosiers don't play. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:35 | 6805596 besnook
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the taking of the assets is considered a civil matter to be argued as a dispute between the confiscated assets and the state. it becomes up to you to prove the assets are not the proceeds of criminal activity. in other words,you have to prove a negative to regain your assets.  it is a technical twist of the law that could be easily corrected by your local legislature. they refuse to do it.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:21 | 6805513 ToSoft4Truth
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We have no cohesiveness.

In most cases if you splatter a cop on your front lawn, you’re slipping and falling, critically, at the station.   

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:00 | 6805709 hedgeless_horseman
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Imagine a reality television show, let's call it, "Cops," that shows hour after hour of sober citizens having their assets seized.  Then you might have a little cohesiveness.  Alas, the cops don't behave on camera as they do in reality.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 22:54 | 6807519 Earl Slaughter-...
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Most people wouldn't believe the reality. Most people would refuse to believe the reality.

 

USA is made up of tens of thousands of jurisdictions, and some of them are bad-- really, really bad. I know, because I worked for one of those.

 

It's not just simple-graft or extortion, but truly heinous and deviated shit...

 

No, not all cops are this way. And I would bet that there are more than a few "good" cops who find themselves in prison right now (I got lucky enough to not be found with that kilo of coke that I was hiding in the wheel-well of my squad; but of course, this was after an attempt was made to steal my duty-weapon from the gun-box in the trunk (fingerprints, murder, assigned weapon-- it can be whatever you make of it) so I was on alert/rather vigilant and wary at the time).

 

Honesty? Doing the right thing? Law-abiding? There's places here in USA where you'll get killed for that shit, especially if you're a cop.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 23:48 | 6807679 Earl Slaughter-...
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(FYI-- a surprising number of people fall down the stairs while their hands are cuffed behing their backs. And there are many, distraught with shame or grief, who hang themselves in their cells. Worse: there are only three cells with open bunks... ..."The Thing," "Resident Evil," or "Superman" (it's not just buildings he leaps with a single-bound)... ...your cellmate, your choice.).

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:13 | 6805773 swmnguy
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Hell, at a certain point this violates the 3rd Amendement, too.  That's the one nobody ever refers to, which bans lodging soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent.  An imaginative attorney, I'd think, could maintain that forcible seizure of assets without charges being filed or any requirement to show said assets were gains from illegal activity, to pay police salaries and otherwise meet budgeted expenses, constitutes a form of involuntary quartering of a standing army of occupation.

Especially since the primary argument I've heard in favor of "Civil Asset Forfeiture" laws being maintained is that police departments budget expenditures based on forecast estimates of how much they will be able to seize, and they depend on that revenue to survive.  Or, at least, that's what they say with a straight face.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 23:22 | 6807601 gladius17
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They don't deserve to survive.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:58 | 6805393 MorningWood
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It squares just fine with 4A.  What you're missing is not a "people" being charged, it's your property being charged.  You remain secure.

 

(It BS, you and I know it, but that's the claim.)

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:05 | 6805419 FreeMoney
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Yeah I gotcha....its a civil process not a criminal one, and its against the property not the person.....but it still amounts to the government taking your property with no warrant, no jurisprudence, no jury, and no compensation.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:36 | 6805257 hedgeless_horseman
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With government unable to pay police as much as they need or would like, police are confiscating their revenue directly from the populace.

Welcome to Mexico.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:41 | 6805313 duo
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I remember driving through Tijuana every other weekend.  At least there was honor in the TJ cops.  They never took more than $40 (unless you had drugs on you, so I heard), and never took everything you had on you, because one of their cop buddies might be down the road.  This was the mid '80s, BTW.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:43 | 6805319 hedgeless_horseman
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It is truly just another tax.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:46 | 6805333 duo
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Damn right it is.  All civil forfeitures and re-light camera fines should be tax-deductible.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:37 | 6805278 ACP
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In other words, the value of civil forfeitures (oxymoron) should be added to the dollar amount of burglaries, not compared.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:13 | 6806102 Abaco
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Robbery is a different crime than burglary.  Burglary is, generally, less violent.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:33 | 6805255 divedivedive
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America's version of mordida. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:33 | 6805256 lehmen_sisters
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Only in 'Merica do you need to bury anything of value to prevent big brother from swiping it, fucks sake.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:34 | 6805258 Reichstag Fire Dept.
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What about the theifs on Wall Street??

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:29 | 6806160 cougar_w
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And on that topic 19% growth looks good for any asset class, is there a CAF ETF I can invest in?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:34 | 6805259 aliki
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good thing things arent getting worse

Germany-Netherlands soccer friendly being evacuated, AP reports

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/hannover-stadium-hosting-germany-...

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:34 | 6805261 DontFollowMyAdv...
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and they wonder why more cops are being mysteriously assassinated during random shakedowns errr "traffic stops"

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:40 | 6805301 vq1
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well thats because they have magic disappearing assault rifles!

 

why does no one believe me!?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:31 | 6806166 cougar_w
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I hear recently the Army Reserves also have magical disappearing rifles. Handguns, too.

You might want to check to see if Walmart carries them.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:49 | 6805347 jakesdad
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it's all waze's fault!  cops opposition to it is all about "blue lives matter", not "green paper matters", right?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:37 | 6805281 Victor von Doom
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Cops. More criminal than the criminals.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:39 | 6805291 Seasmoke
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What did we expect to happen when the guys in costumes get paid more than the taxpayers. Get bigger pensions than the taxpayers. Have health benefits paid by the taxpayers. Yeah. Let's given them power of the badge and gun PLUS money too. Now they want more and we are too weak to stop them. What a joke !!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:12 | 6806090 Abaco
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Why do you think we are too weak.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:40 | 6805303 Pumpkin
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There are only a few ways to take property in Law.  Property arrest=maritime (presumed unpaid tarrifs)  Attachment=un-named property seized to cover a debt to enforce a judgment, and replevin=someone has property that you own and have title to. Any other is THEFT!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:41 | 6805312 besnook
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the smartest people in germany left in the thirties. they saw the writing on the wall. the writing on the wall today is written in bold caps with a sound track with audio pegged at ten. the empire is in the desparate phase. it has just declared war on russia and china. if you remain in the usa you will suffer miserably.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:51 | 6805359 Baa baa
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And we would just be another damn Gringo, infidel, etc. anywhere else.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:52 | 6805361 NoWayJose
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The smartest Germans in the 1930s has a safe and free place to go to. There are no such places today.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:13 | 6805469 UnicornSkittles
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We are well and truly stuck. There really is no place else to go. Too late for me to learn Russian or Icelandic, and I'm not sure they would totally welcome my firearm collection.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:42 | 6805315 vq1
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I chose the wrong profession! 

 

You dont even need a college degree to make loads of tax free hard cash! And you get to carry weapons, merc folks and generally be a giant dickhead. 

*no offense to current police officers, the good ones out there have a tough job and no glory. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:48 | 6805340 smackdog
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The government has proved itself to be nothing more than an organized crime syndicate.  I have no interest in serving on any juries to go after some small time drug dealer or thief when people in the government are not being prosecuted according to the same laws they expect us to adhere to.  The system is a joke.  The same rules, restrictions, etc., never seem to apply to these people when they want something.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:30 | 6805566 SilverSphinx
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smackdog "when people in the government are not being prosecuted according to the same laws"

 

That is the exact problem smackdog. As Princeton has determined, we are living under an oligarchy. Law Enforcement and the judicial system is now serving the oligarchy and itself.

The rich and powerful escape justice, while the poor pay with their lives.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:05 | 6806053 Meat Hammer
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I was on a jury once.  Before the charges against the defendant were revealed, the judge put a picture of Utah Beach on D-Day up on the monitor in the court room and told us that this is why it is our duty and privilege to serve on the jury.  People in the court room were getting all misty-eyed.  I did everything I could to contain my laughter.  The judge was acting as if we had a choice to do jury duty or not.  LOL

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:10 | 6806082 Abaco
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Serve on the jury to aquit the small time drug dealer.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:35 | 6806179 Mr.BlingBling
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+1. (FIJA.ORG )

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:49 | 6805349 Baa baa
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Common practice in any 3RD world country. Adjust activity accordingly.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:55 | 6805378 divedivedive
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If you would like to learn somehing else new today - google '3rd world countries'.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:49 | 6805350 NoWayJose
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Given this reality, do you really want to carry any visible valuables in your car? Be smart and put them in your trunk, do not drink and drive (so that they have no reason for you to get out of your car), do not agree to let the cops search your car, but above all - be polite and apologetic if stopped (it makes the cops feel superior and they like that).

At home, become a 'Gray Man' and stay off social media, reduce as much electronic buying as possible (cash leaves no trails), be careful of who you communicate with by cell phone or email (yes, the FBI and NSA will track you down and question you if anyone you communicate with commits a crime -see Paris), don't hang out at bars until 2:00 AM when you can get involved or attacked by drug dealers and drunks, keep your place neat and your music low - so the neighbors don't complain, and don't keep any large sums of cash in a bank where it can send electronic signals to the FBI or IRS.

A lot to do - but it is easy to see what happens to those that do not.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:18 | 6805496 divedivedive
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We are in our 60's and living outside the US. Just to add to your comments - we drive a 15 year old Jeep (in GREAT condition). We do most of our own yard/house work. Everyone who we run into regularly has seen me with jeans and t-shirts with holes in them. We wake at 5AM and are to bed by 7PM. Where we live - most of the crimes are 'inside' jobs. 

We have a VPN setup on our router - which reboots automatically every night.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:28 | 6805550 ToSoft4Truth
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Live under a rock.  It's safe.  A little musty from dog piss, but safe.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:58 | 6806030 GoldenGeezer
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That's some funny shit right there! I'm gonna have to borrow that.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:50 | 6805352 besnook
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besnook's law of people. bad people chase out good people in any .org where money and power are the rewards for a job.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:56 | 6805382 lasvegaspersona
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If black activist had asked for real help from the wider community they could have used asset forfiture as a rallying cry.

Instead they decided to go it alone, indeed to the exclusion of other parties harmed by police action entirely....just because they were not black.

This is how I knew that BlackLivesMatter was really just another Marxist hoax and not a real civil rights campaign. MLK did not kick folks off the bus because they were white, he understood the old 'strength in numbers' thing.

Too bad because divided we still have asset forfiture and blacks getting abused.

As a Republican I am not happy with the 'rah rah go cop's part of the party (or with the pro war part or the 'we need more immigrants' part or....

...well one of the big problems with a 2 party system is the folks you wind up in bed with....

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:08 | 6806069 Abaco
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The problem with the 2 party system is that there are only two parties.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:57 | 6805389 Jameson18
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This will end when you go after the piece of shit who stole from you. When a cop steals money from a law abiding citizen then go after the individual cop put his or her name all over the internet along with his or her photo. Also bill them directly with interest if not paid in 30 days. If they don't pay take them to collections. Make their lives as hard as possible.  If you are afraid of law enforcement then you have already lost the battle.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:35 | 6805592 ToSoft4Truth
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Turn their children and mothers into wind chimes.  No other way.

But that's all against the law now.  "Little pieces of paper".

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 23:05 | 6807552 Earl Slaughter-...
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No women, no children, no innocent-parties. Otherwise we are just like them.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:07 | 6806062 Abaco
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Put a bat upside their heads or down hard on their knees.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:58 | 6805390 Demdere
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https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/in-reality-everything-is-c...

Of course.  Almost ALL problems in our modern world are due to governments and their policies.

Policies only work if the future turns out to be the one they were written for.  Notice how often that doesn't happen.

Oh, yes, also, they have to cover all the cases, otherwise people can't mindlessly follow the rules.

Notice how often people are forced to choose which of the several wrong rules should be applied to this new situation?

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 14:58 | 6805391 messymerry
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Yeah, we used to call them "highway patrolmen".  Now we call them "highwaymen".  Narcissistic effing thugs.  They r dogs for the State, nothing more.  Pooches if you will.  These psychopathic fucks that run this country from D.C. to local courthouse annex, are due for a reckoning. 

;-D  

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:06 | 6805431 VWAndy
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This is one of the reasons Im long tools and skills. Start swipping tools and watch it all come crashing down. LOL. Old looking tools are great for many reasons. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:11 | 6805458 Squids_In
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IPO the police!

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:17 | 6805492 1stepcloser
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OCP is the future...

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:14 | 6805479 MoonSun
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The new ZIRP. You can add this to the war on cash.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:06 | 6806057 Abaco
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They will begin to suffer discipline soon. Anyone can stream video up and refuse to turn over their property Eventually armed citizens will refuse to submit to the robbery. 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:33 | 6805580 adr
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The cops today look like roided out freaks with buzz cuts, not Bert the cop from It's a Wonderful Life. But in that movie we were warned.

Remember after the Jew Potter took over the town because George was never born and Bert started shooting wildly at George on the crowded street.

You hand power over to the wrong people and you end up with criminal cops.

The soldiers of Satan run our banks, and therefore our country. Theft by the establishment has been institutionalized so what do you expect. They don't see it as doing anything wrong, they see it as their right to rob you blind.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:30 | 6805880 PoasterToaster
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What is power?  Is it necessary to have power for a civil society to exist?

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 15:37 | 6805607 Brokenarrow
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i heard this story: s man driving for colo to ca to live has dog and personal items in car. gets stopped in NV. car is searched. man is verbally abused. he has $500 in his pocket. they take it. pig tells the man "shut dog up or will shoot."

i am now afraid to drive anywhere.

 

i didnt make this up.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:54 | 6805728 InnVestuhrr
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Hey, all you full of courage, eager to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and fight for freedom and liberty, macho types in the Pentagon -

READ THIS

THE #1 ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION, FREEDOM AND LIBERTY OF AMERICANS, IS INSIDE THE USA, WADC SPECIFICALLY. I LEAVE IT AS A TEST OF YOUR INTELLIGENCE - WITH NO HOPE - TO FIGURE OUT WHO THAT IS AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:14 | 6805785 K_BX
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any policemen here? what is your opinion on that? I think most policemen have a strong sense of justice, but the few rotten apples are the ones destroying the reputation...

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:29 | 6805869 PoasterToaster
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All cops serve the political will of the master class.  Justice is meaningless.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:57 | 6806025 Meat Hammer
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Go onto any social media page dedicated to cops and read the comments.  You'll quickly realize that your average run-of-the-mill cop not only has a superiority complex, but also views the citizenry as a bunch of animals who need to be dealt with.  They joke about things like: This one punk who got my baton upside his head and I made this one idiot my bitch.  

The majority are fucking goons.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:42 | 6806219 cougar_w
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My dad was a cop and later trained cops. He did it for a long time. He told me when I was a teenager "stay away from cops". He was serious.

That was 30 years ago.

There are not "a few bad apples". There are a lot of bad apples, and they have guns and badges and will lie to you about anything and everything. Involved in extortion and drug running. They steal valuables out of the evidence lockers -- drugs, weapons, porn, computers, anything they want. The good ones are afraid of the bad ones and keep their heads down, nothing like catching a "stray" bullet during a shoot-out, or the good old "dead by friendly fire" incident, to get rid of a suspected snitch.

It's bad. It's really really bad. You almost cannot imagine how bad it is. One bad day and they'll probably just take over, hand things over to the real power. You'll find these creeps jumping to the other side of the law at the drop of a hat and taking everything they can grab with them -- uniforms, vehicles, automatic weapons -- to play cop for the drug lords or whoever.

Watch for it.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 23:35 | 6807645 Earl Slaughter-...
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LE 2000-2008.

 

Cougar, "good" cops often end up in that proverbial "world of hurt." Think of what doesn't make it to the evidence locker. And there's more subtle ways of taking-out a good cop than a bullet.

 

And it's not one-side vs. another, or a dichotomy between "good and bad." Acting on reason, judgement and a sense of what is right and morally-just, I acted outside the confines of law, and often found myself outside of it's protections as well, under the age-old principle of primum nil nocere.

 

Make the distinction between a criminal with a badge, and an outlaw with a badge-- doing so may help you identify a peace officer worthy of respect.

 

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:48 | 6806251 Occams_Chainsaw
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Former from the mid-90's in a small town.  Still know many of those guys and the department seems to be much the same (other than more button down since everything is on video these days).  However, in general, the larger departments seem to have gone way to militeristic for my taste.  Being a cop should be aobut working within your community....not breaking down doors and seizing assets.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:23 | 6805829 truthalwayswinsout
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Obama bin Laden and his brothers will previal.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:28 | 6805863 JimmyRainbow
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Fahrenheit 451

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:28 | 6805866 PoasterToaster
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The only reason they can do this is the respect for authority and fear of "the system" that is bred into the slave class.  If people lose that awe, this all ends rather quickly.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:28 | 6805868 stonehands
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High level freemasons have ruled this country since day one. You un-initiated goyim are merely the live stock to be fleeced.

JESUS SAVES.

 

 

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:42 | 6806211 TalkToLind
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Those Free Masons are goyim too, they just don't know it. They are the "Uncle Toms" on the goyim plantation.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:36 | 6805917 williambanzai7
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Lets see, how many Americans are killed by police versus terrorists each year...

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:44 | 6805927 Skiprrrdog
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I would feel bad If I got pulled over and didnt have any handouts for the civil servants. Do you think they would take a credit card?

Wow, even Eric Holder thinks it is a bad idea; maybe he could send us guns instead of Mexican narcos, and we could defend ourselves from *anyone* trying to take our shit...

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 16:49 | 6805985 Meat Hammer
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I think I'm going to begin the practice of riding my bicycle everywhere and using Uber if I need to travel more than 10 miles or so.  I'll pop a cold one or mix a drink and pour it into a sports bottle before I head out on my bike, too.

I'm not sure why I haven't thought of this before. I could enjoy a libation on my ride, not pay registration and gas-tax theft to the State, and get some exercise. Plus, cop sees dude on a bike and doesn't see a shakedown opportunity.

Freedom, bitchez.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:34 | 6806185 TalkToLind
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But those fit and handsome cops on TeeVee never steal stuff from citizens. They just spend their time thinking and looking good in civilian clothes with their washboard abs and strong jawlines. Then they have passionate sex with female cops who look like underwear models.  

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:19 | 6806385 22winmag
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One word... steroids.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 17:58 | 6806285 honestann
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So-called "law" and "legal" are pure fiction.
So-called "authority" and "government" are pure fiction.
What does exist is human predators who lie, cheat, steal.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 18:19 | 6806383 Government need...
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This will continue until more than a few cops who steal under the pretense of the law are morgued.  And the fucktard politicians exhort the deluded masses into 'Backin' the Blue' (supporting cops).  Riiight.

Tue, 11/17/2015 - 22:49 | 6807496 Peak Bull
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The police stole my Ford pickup truck once, and I committed no crime. They gave it to heavily armed tow truck goons who kept it locked up until I paid the ransom. California, ~2005.

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