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Ted Cruz Prepares Refugee-Rejection Bill, Slams Obama's Plan As "Nothing Short Of Lunacy"
Earlier today in “Refugee Blowback: More Than Half Of America's Governors Oppose Entry Of Syrians,” we brought you a look at just how much effort the nation’s Republican governors are putting into fighting a losing battle against the Obama administration’s plan to settle some 10,000 Syrian asylum seekers.
As a refresher, here’s a look at which states oppose the plan:
As we noted, this is all for political points, because in the final analysis, it’s not up to state and local officials as they “cannot”, to quote WaPo, “physically prevent refugees from being resettled in their areas.” And even if they could, why would they really want to? After all, these refugees were properly “vetted,” much like the “moderate” Syrian rebels the Pentagon sought to train earlier this year.
Of course the Paris attacks virtually ensure that no matter what federal law says, there’s going to be a fight over this and now, GOP Presidential candidate, Sen. Ted Cruz is set to introduce a bill that would prevent Syrian refugees from coming into the US. Here’s WaPo:
Cruz (R-Tex.) said after a campaign event here that the legislation is still being drafted and wouldn't offer details of exactly what it would say. According to reports, Cruz told CNN that it would bar Syrian Muslim refugees from entering the United States.
Cruz has said numerous times in the past few days that Muslim refugees from Syria should be resettled in majority Muslim countries in the Middle East.
Cruz has said it is "nothing short of lunacy" to allow Syrian Muslim refugees into the country, particularly after Friday's Paris attacks.
But while Muslims aren’t welcome under the Cruz plan, Christians apparently are:
"There is no meaningful risk of Christians committing acts of terror. If there were a group of radical Christians pledging to murder anyone who had a different religious view than they, we would have a different national security situation," Cruz said Sunday in Myrtle Beach, S.C.
And here’s an incredulous Obama:
"That's not American. That’s not who we are. We don’t have religious tests to our compassion," Obama said.
Maybe “we” don’t, but Ted Cruz does:
"I'll tell you what's shameful is that the president after seven years still refuses to utter the words radical Islamic terrorism [and] claims that somehow [it's] a religious test. [It's] not that at all. It is understanding the nature of the evil we face."
But it's not just Ted Cruz (whose religious based test isn't likely to win the day even among the GOP). New House Speaker Paul Ryan is also out calling for a review of the refugee plan. Here's The New York Times:
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan called Tuesday for the suspension of a program to accept Syrian refugees into the United States, and two influential senators announced a renewed push for a formal authorization of military force against the Islamic State as Congress moved to respond to the terrorist attacks in Paris.
The developments on Tuesday suggested that the attacks in Paris had shifted the calculations on Capitol Hill, with potentially greater support for authorizing military force against the Islamic State. But there was also a fast-rising backlash, particularly among Republicans, against allowing Syrian refugees into the United States.
Led by Mr. Ryan, the Republicans said there were grave reasons to fear that terrorists would be permitted to enter the country posing as refugees.
“Our nation has always been welcoming,” Mr. Ryan said at a news conference. “But we cannot allow terrorists to take advantage of our compassion. This is a moment where it is better to be safe than to be sorry. So we think the prudent, the responsible thing is to take a pause in this particular aspect of this refugee program in order to verify that terrorists are not trying to infiltrate the refugee population.”
You can see how that comes across as a bit more measured and (importantly) much more feasible than "maybe we should only let in the Christians", because after all, what's to keep a terrorist from simply lying and checking the "Christian" box on the entry form right along with the "Not A Suicide Bomber" box?
Not to be outdone, GOP frontrunner Ben Carson is out with a new anti-refugee ad in which the former neurosurgeon hilariously threatens to "defund Obama's breakfast":
And then finally there's poor Jeb Bush, who is desperately seeking to come across as an island of sanity in a political arena gone batshit crazy on both sides of the aisle (via Bloomberg):
"The answer to this is not to ban people from coming," Bush said Tuesday in an interview with Mark Halperin and John Heilemann for Bloomberg Politics' With All Due Respect. "The answer is to lead, to resolve the problem in Syria."
Bush stressed the United States shouldn't allow in refugees "if there's any kind of concern."
"But I don't think we should eliminate our support for refugees," Bush added. "It's been a noble tradition in our country for many years."
So yes folks, this has become a circus inside the Beltway and the sad thing about it is that at the end of the day, nearly (and we only say "nearly" because we would certainly hope that at least someone, either Republican or Democrat has actually taken the time to rationally weigh the importance of both national security and alleviating human suffering) everyone involved is simply jockeying for political points among their various constituents.
And this will go on and on and will invariably end up being inextricably linked to Obama's executive action on immigration and, by extension, to the man who knows better than anyone that you can never let a good crisis go to waste, The Donald.
Finally, we leave you with some food for thought, which we'll let readers assess in the context of the current situation and interpret as they see fit:
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Teddy is a bit crazy, but agre with him here. Isn't first time he accused Obama of this.
http://hedgeaccordingly.com/2015/02/sen-cruz-accuses-obama-of-counterfei...
I am so sick of this fallacious narrative.
Correlation does not equate to causation.
The Iraqi and Syrians are attacking us because we are bombing the shit out of them, not because they are muslim.
If there were a group of radical Christians
pledging to murder anyone who was bombing their homeland on a daily basis,
we would have a different national security situation.
Ah yes the good ol "Aw shucks, the peaceful Mooslems are just defending themselves and have never acted aggressively"
Give me a fucking break.
Mooslems have been aggressive terrorists for the better part of the last 1000 years.
I know these facts do not fit your narrative, but NATO and the French have been the aggressive terrorists for the better part of the last 2 years.
From before the Paris attack...
Agence France-Presse 3:38 p.m. EST November 5, 2015
PARIS — The French presidency on Thursday said it would deploy its Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier to boost its operations against the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria.
The presence of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the flagship of the French navy, will add to the six Rafale jets stationed in the United Arab Emirates and the six Mirages flying out of Jordan.
The Charles de Gaulle did a two-month stint in the Gulf from February, from where strikes against IS in Iraq were carried out, before returning to its base in the French port of Toulon.
During this time about 20 aircraft carried out 10-15 combat sorties a day, according to the army.
France launched air strikes against the jihadists in Syria in October, after a year of bombing IS in Iraq, saying it was acting in self defense.
...
Since beginning operations in Iraq, French fighter jets have carried out 1,285 aerial missions, resulting in 271 strikes and the destruction of 459 targets.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/11/05/france-d...
Maybe we can ammend the law to exclude refugees from all Countries we are actively bombing. This is a little common sense....
How many terrorist attacks were the Japanese able to launch inside the Continential US during WWII ??
Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property
@hedgeless_horseman You're 100% correct. For those who say Muslims are terrorists for the past forever-years, take a look at all the countries that were the reserve currency. Dutch, Spain, England, USA. Muslims are minor league, or probably more of a D-III college team.
It's surprising how many mainstream republican run-off (blindly Bible thumping social prudes) have showed up to the ZH site since the Ron Paul campaign. Muslims were manufactured into radicals on a large scale by the USA during Operation Cyclone.
The Christian refugees should be taken first because they are the most vulnerable, they are the ones getting their heads cut off, etc.
That goes above and beyond any question of terrorists. Only families should be allowed it (that have children under 18) and no single men below the age of 50.
Common sense doesnt require complex solutions, nor is it xenophobic. 10,000 people is a drop in the bucket, so take the ones that are actually refugees, actually persecuted, and actually in danger.
hedgeless ???
What The Hell Have You Been Smokin Today ???????????????
hedgeless ???
Who shot The POPE many years ago???
That too must have been a FALSE FLAG, right??? Gimme Fuckin Break Man...
Muslims IS the religion of peace. Pitbulls just lookin for an excuse to bite someone. And we are just stupid enough to be kickin on one.
Naturally, US MSM never discusses the fact that the refugee problems in Europe are as a direct consequence of US policy in the ME. Nor does it ever cover the US refugee issue in this context and as part of an inevitable blowback against US policy. Of course, mentioning the fact that ISIS is a (Proven and admitted) creation of the CIA is never worth a mention.
I love the way Faux "News" gets around this inconvenience by pretending that the problem is not the invasion of the ME in the first instance (Red team good) but that Obama pulled out too soon (Blue team BAD).
To an external, inpartial observer, either way the responsibility lies directly at the feet of the US.
You must have missed all the UN resolutions....its more than just the USA. Everyone is in on it in some way. They are more than happy to have Obama's face on it as he never gets blamed anyway. If you haven't heard, it all the Joos and the neocon's fault.
Anyone ever think that just maybe, even if these world leaders are puppets of hidden powers, if those fuckers ever got actually held to account, maybe we wouldn't have so many lined up for the jobs? Accountability is the only thing that can fix what is fucked, and all those who keep redirecting from Obama, claiming he is a puppet, I say, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK, hang them all until they can find no more puppets to fist.
This is about countries whose treasuries are not under the control of the IMF and World Bank. And the lunatic banksters, literally not just figuratively insane, play no holds barred. Syria and Iran must fall as Iraq and Libya fell. And it doesn't matter whether it starts WWIII. Think bankster, and then remember Turbo in Wreck it Ralph. Bansters have gone Turbo.
Poor Amerikansky, where there is no adult in room. Not POTUS, not Congress, not SCOITUS, not POTUS candidate. Barry is make sound like jibber jabber at Press Conference in Turkey. Boris is embarrassed just hearing style of conversation in Amerikansky politic.
California "uncommitted"? Hah! Don't make me laugh. Governor Moonbeam will suck up all that Obama sends him and beg for more. We suffer greatly here of the socialist disease of "multiculturalism". California is the whorehouse of open borders.
Yes, we are definitely the cum rag of the country.
http://www.kcra.com/news/brown-syrian-refugees-to-california-will-be-vet...
SACRAMENTO, Calif. —California Gov. Jerry Brown says he'll work closely with President Barack Obama to ensure any Syrian refugees coming to California are "fully vetted in a sophisticated and utterly reliable way."
Oh, well shit...I feel better.
Thanks for the great article link. It's aligned with the right principles. I do disagree with its conclusion however.
If private property owners wish to rent to immigrants (as they most certainly will) then that is their right.
I think the state's crimes should not be increased in number by granting the state sanction to block some private property owning individuals from allowing certain other individuals access to their property.
Stolen property (public property) is in fact unowned. If immigrants want to occupy it, or diminish it in any way then so much better for they diminish the state's means in the process.
That the state thwarts private property owners from asserting their full property rights through anti-discrimination laws and the like, is the state's crime that must be opposed with redoubled effort. It is not the immigrants' crime. Immigrant is a statist word recognizing state gang turf boundaries. Individual is the only word that matters in reality.
Freedom lovers have to swallow and take this one. We are victims but our only claim to being so hinges that we do not sanction aggression as means to better ends, even when better ends means more security for us. Assuming an anti-immigration posture turns all that on its head.
Thank you!
There are so many out there that just want to "nuke the whole fucking area".
Propaganda at it's best I must say.
#LeavePeopleTheFuckAlone
Its a little too late for that. We forget that this conflict has been going on in some level for centuries. It is simple foolishness to assume that simple capitulation or surrender will satiate them now. In truth, the only thing restraining before all of this shit was the fact that they insisted on living three centuries behind everyone else.
Yep. Gee, I can't wait to hear my drooling, mouth-breathing, Red Team loving relatives talk about "turning the middle east into glass" around the Thanksgiving table. I think I'll drink myself into a coma before they get here.
If we can't eat it, fuck it or control it, then we are just going to have to kill it. The world is not built upon peaceful coexistence, no matter what they told you in school.
I don't care why a rattlesnake wants to bite me.
I know I can't negotiate with a rattlesnake - so I am not going to try.
If a rattle snake shows up on my porch I just shoot it.
Of course they should let the Syrian Christians in.
This is the old "Don't Profile" bullshit.
It just makes statistical sense.
Are we gonna do the PC crap with national security again?
Unfortunately this bit of PC nonsense is baked into the 1st amendment. I often think it would be better if the 1st amendment just came right out and said that people have the right to be stupid (rather than explicitly calling out the right to believe whatever fairy-tales they like). However, there are places where people's stupidity should not be ignored, such as who gets to vote, though that conflict can be removed by not having voting be considered a universal right. (Originally it wasn't. Unfortunately "we" broke it by removing the stupidity-filters because they were class-based and failed to replace them with non-class-based stupidity-filters. Universal sufferage brings universal suffering.)
Note that it's a false claim that the US federal government doesn't discriminate based on religion. If you want to opt out of social security and you're Amish, you can. If you want to opt out and you're Roman Catholic or Southern Baptist or Muslim or atheist or agnostic or what have you, then fuck you. So says Uncle Sam. (See IRS Form 4029: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4029.pdf )
(Just for the record, I don't agree with your "Of course they should let the Syrian Christians in." statement. It's obvious that the Christians (if that fact could be reliably determined) would be far less prone to violence in the current situation. But so long as everyone who is let in gets to vote and gets to dip into various social funds we should be more selective about who gets let in than just "they probably won't engage in direct violence in the current situation".)
Maybe we should follow the warnings of Washington and Jefferson, & mind our own damned business for a change.
H_H: we can take your point and (with certain skepticism wrt the BDA effects) add:
- Ned
Look at all them terrorists..the one in the hat is even armed and probably about to kill the photographer.
So, if I understand you completely, we are a bunch of assholes kicking the crap out of innocents around the world, and when they blow back on us we are simply supposed to accept it, not attempt to defend ourselves, simply out of a sense of justice?
We can all appreciate your rugged individualism combined with credible skills in self sufficiency, but if you are to take sympathy on weak and stupid people, why not our own? Those simply working, keeping their heads down, minding their own business, who suddenly find foreigners on their door step. Foreigners as you describe, which have EVERY REASON TO HATE OUR GUTS, even though very few of us have acted in hostility towards any of them. It is funny how so many will delicately parse the issue of Islam, radical or not, making the point repeatedly that we are not at war with Muslims, only jihadists, as Hillary refers them. Yet we also must accept that those who would cut our throats or bomb our beds do not care one bit if we are the actual villain or not. We all look the same....ARE the same to them. Snakes see all humans as threats, but we are told to differentiate between poison and non-poison....provide the snakes the benefit of the doubt. I would submit it is far easier to tell a poisonous snake than it is to tell a jihadist from a moderate Muslim.
HH, you are as lost in Utopian dreamland as any full bore progressive if you think we should simply bend over (collectively) to potentially take it up the ass, simply from guilt. I suppose you agree with Mizzou, that "white privilege" should be punished and blacks put in charge...not because existing leadership did anything wrong, but simply of collective race guilt.
You may well think you can weather the storm of radical jihad in your bunker, but even if you can, you show just as much contempt for human life as any drone pilot, and as such have no credibility to preach to anyone.
We need to change our foreign policy for certain, and chose a path, be it low or high, and get it done. If we choose to withdraw, to isolate ourselves and bunker up, so be it, but that means every person within our walls had better be one of us, not some multicultural mixed allegiance mutt, who at any moment's notice will strap on a bomb vest and party on. If we choose to go all in, then lets do it. Decide who is enemy and who is friend and finish it. What we are now doing has no credibility, no honor, no future. We have to end it...one way or another...or lose it all, which seems to be a desirable theme for some here.
What a pathetic and verbose attempt at a straw man argument.
Maybe try Yahoo's boards, where that tripe might be effective?
Straw man or off topic? The article is about keeping Syrian Muslim Immigrants out...because there is no way to adequately verify their agendas, while noting that Christians present no current threat. How is this untrue and what does ANYTHING you have written refute it? The violence that has been brought down on the ME has everything to do with America's involvement, but Christians are being killed because of it just like many Muslims are...so from your perspective they DO have as much reason to hate us...yet they don't for some miraculous reason.
And as YOU point out, these Muslims hate us for bombing them, be it relevant or not, which still justifies our every reason to prohibit them from coming here.
You simply have used this article as another opportunity to disseminate your hatred of our destructive policies...which is fine. Just don't attempt to infer that any of us, including Cruz, who believe these people are a real and present threat...FOR ANY REASON, are some how missing the point.
I am suggesting to YOU that to ignore our risks simply because we deserve to be attacked, is as dismissive of innocent lives as the policies you claim to hate. If this is a straw man, then you are made of hay.
I suggest you talk to one of the Oklahoma city bombing victims. Or perhaps you didn't know that Hitler was also a christian. Please pull your head out of your ass.
When you are a political puppet, you pander to popular opinion, it just what you do. The fucking sheep love it, in fact, they will vote for their own enslavement.
An Northern Ireland. Incredible violence. Went on for years.
And then there's Cromwell and some sort of religious civil war in England that nobody remembers.
And the Inquisition. Incredible violence. Went on for years.
Edit: Not trying to sound like Obama.
Would love to see a IRA/ISIS (really CIA/Mossad) throwndown about now. The IRA was brutal.
yes, but the IRA conflict is one of the only examples of two sides able to put their differences aside after years of war. there is peace in the region now.
on the other hand, the animals in the middle east have been fighting for 1000s of years and will fight for 1000s of years more. Everyone should do themselves a service and have a quick read into the fundamental differences in beliefs of sunnis and shiites. These people will never stop fighting until one side genocides the other.
Humans have suffered war since before time began. Constant skirmishes based on religion, race, regionality, or simply resources. We are evolving, have evolved, but yet every fiber of our existence is tied to that past.
I will submit that the Muslim nations have had a thousand years of cultural, religious and genetic inbreeding, that largely defines who they are, how they process their environment and respond to it and the people in it. I will never suggest their is no deviation from this, no variances or exceptions, but we know for a fact that in their cultures there has been virtually NO tolerance for alternative ideas. They have historically killed those who did not align or at least marginalized or punished them. This has not been going on for just generations but centuries. We want to pretend that radical Islam is some perversion of the Muslim faith but we can see that these, what we see as extreme, values have been the norm until just recently...if even then. This is not to imply that they are all evil or should be punished in some way, but to simply put a point on reality, that there are inherent tendencies within certain populations.
God knows there are plenty here who believe this true of Joos, but seem to resist the notion regarding Muslims...the religion of peace. Do we even wonder who came up with that? I don't hear Christians saying they are the religion of peace. It sounds like more of a marketing ploy to change public perceptions.
The notion that we can import these people who we know have behavioral issues in dealing with "diversity", people we know that in many cases have been given the shit end of the stick (by us), people who we know are infiltrated with active killers just waiting for a chance, JUST SEEMS STUPID. And the best that they can do is to say..."this is who America is". Stupid?
"on the other hand, the animals in the middle east have been fighting for 1000s of years and will fight for 1000s of years more."
You are a moron who knows nothing.
Oh, the irony of calling on others to pull heads out of asses when you still regurgitate the DC lie that OKBOMB was just two white Christian Americans. That's almost as pathetic as claiming Hitler was Christian
It's not that simple, you're both right. WE bomb the shit out of people prone to believing that God wants them to murder non-believers. We give them a reason to go extreme and their religion validates it. We'll never win by bombing. I'm all for Special Forces running some targeted strikes 24/7 though. I'd like all those fuckers to slowly start fearing the dark and being alone. We should be the silent terrorists in their world. Instead we just bomb indiscriminately and piss off all the people that were just annoyed before.
How pissed would you be if Russia killed your family members and didn't even acknowledge they fucked up. Now imagine a few thousand people feeling that way about their brothers, sisters, etc. We are dumb shits for giving them an excuse for acting out the way they do.
Or maybe we know exactly what we're doing and this is just a way to keep the war economy going.
Watch a brief history of the battles of the Jihads vs the Crusades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
It's not a religion of peace.
"Mooslems have been aggressive terrorists for the better part of the last 1000 years. "
No they haven't.
Dumb ass.
You are a stooge who repeats propaganda because you're too stupid to think for yourself.
God damn America. It's filled full of morons like you. If you are the best and brightest America has to offer, we are really and truly FUCKED beyond belief.
Long fallout shelters.
"The Iraqi and Syrians are attacking us because we are bombing the shit out of them, not because they are muslim."
If there were a group of radical Christians
pledging to murder anyone who was bombing their homeland on a daily basis,
we would have a different national security situation.
A fact that apparently many miss.
Nice bit of front-running by Cruz, Ryan etal.
Complete phonies.
Kudos to the first governor to step up to the plate, whoever it was.
The closing comment really tugged on my heart strings. These Syrian "refugees" are military aged men, not children. Anne Frank is not among them.
And Cruz came here from Canada.....Cuba before that.
hedgeless_horseman
White Christan Russian people in Donetsk and Lugansk are being bombed on daily basis for 2 years. They are being bombed by NATO and allies.
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2477154.html
I didn't realize the Christians in Middle East who also have NATO bombs falling on their homeland at the same rate as the Muslims are running around in kippas made of 100% Passport®.
Unless you can come up radical Christians in the Middle East pledging to murder westerners, I think your argument is a bit shallow.
There are quite a few radical christians who support bombing abortion clinics and assasinating abortion doctors. . . does that count?
I don't deny violent and radical elements claiming to be "Christian", but I don't see that has any particular bearing on the Hedgless's assertion that certain persons are attacking us "because we are bombing the shit out of them, not because they are Muslim". The US also bombs the shit out of a lot of places that don't have significant Muslims, where is the Serbian, Laotian, Cambodian, and South American outrage that manifests itself by attacking American civilians? (with the French the list of the aggrieved is just as long)
"I am so sick of this fallacious narrative.
Correlation does not equate to causation..."
Pull your head out of your horses rear, HH
Rudy Giuliani: Obama CREATED ISIS
http://tinyurl.com/p5lvqhs
Rudy is a bilderberg oligarch. He knows that there is no such thing as a "mederate rebel" or "ligitimate rebel". He is lying and the sheep are eating it up.
" “ISIS is an Obama creation. If we had 50 or 60,000 troops inside Iraq, we would have been getting the intelligence that would have told us about the development of ISIS."
Maybe if we hadn't screwed up Iraq to begin with we wouldn't even be having these problems. Rudy is an idiot.
While we may well have screwed it up, we completely fucked them death by walking away. Say what you will about the war, the lies, the crimes...the real crime was to lose all those lives and then walk away, leaving those who actually supported us, those who were willing to sacrifice to get rid of Saddam out of some possibly hopeless dream of freedom...to die. We still have troops in Korea, Germany, Japan, and all over the fucking world....other places we supposedly liberated, and we didn't walk away from them...ever.
We fucked those people, and we deserve their hate. And for that reason, I do not want them here. I can suffer guilt without imposing it on others, without compounding my foolishness and ignorance. I will not deliberately put myself and my family at risk out of some sense of collective guilt. Those in our leadership are not concerned about their neighborhood or personal security. Progressives begging for this shit are not either because they have drank the koolaid of a belief that like all collectivists, the "costs" will be borne by the collective, not the individual. Those unfortunate few...dozen...hundred...thousand that might die as a result of their "collective" generosity are but a statistic and they would NEVER assume that group included themselves. They will be surprised.
The muslim goal is the same its been for centuries, to infiltrate societies and political systems and by taking their time to grow to become a majority that at some point will have a voice, that turns into a threatening control of your total lifestyle. If a man that grew up for years in a muslim population doesn't understand this....???
I don't understand how a man could shove his head so far up his asshole as you have, and still breathe.
God damn America.
Yes Ted is a bit crazy, but it is a good crazy...
He's not crazy, anyone who doens't agree with him is insane and on top of that they are also not american. THIS IS A FUCKING CHRISTIAN NATION - IT WAS BUILT ON JESUS IF YOU DONT LIKE IT YOU CAN LEAVE. Just because you are a freak and don't believe doesn't give you the right to change that fact. We are a tolerant group but we will only take so much. THe spirit of 1776 still lives here, and the spirt of the Alamo damn sure exists in Texas - all you carpet baggers can get teh fuck out.
Ah yes, another of Christs non-judgmental, loving, forgiving Disciples.
You do know that Cruz isn't from Texas, don't you? He moved there from Canada & his from Cuba. He is a dual citizen (Canada, not Israel).
Obviously. The thing is he's not trying to change it, he's trying to strengthen the Republic. News flash, I'm not from Texas either but I align with traditional Texas values because I respect it's history. Get a clue. I am one of those Christians that doesn't support Israel either - fyi
Paris-Attack-ISIS-flag-mainJames Corbett
TheInternationalForecaster.com
November 17, 2015
Let us for one moment accept the whole Paris attacks narrative hook, line and sinker.
That the French government could not possibly have foreseen an attack.
That a multi-site emergency exercise planned for the same day just happened to be simulating an armed group committing attacks around the city just hours before that very scenario unfolded.
That the “mastermind” of the attacks just happens to be the latest in a string of terrorist boogeymen who manage to escape capture time and time again.
OK, fine. The question that the French people should STILL be asking themselves, even if they believe all of that, is this: How does the Islamic State, a ragtag band of jihadis who are supposedly at war with the combined military might of the US, Turkey, the Saudis, the Russians, the Iraqis, the Iranians and many others (including, of course, the Syrians) manage to fund and coordinate spectacular international terror attacks, including not only the Paris attack, but also (apparently) bombings in Turkey and Lebanon, and the take down of Russian airliners? How is it that governments can flag and track the “suspicious” financial transactions of anyone withdrawing or transferring over $10,000 from their own bank account, but can’t seem to find a way to restrict cash flows, arms and munitions to a geographically isolated enemy who are dependent on oil sales for their financial survival?
Good question. Just don’t ask the US State Department spokesman those questions, because he doesn’t have the answers. When asked earlier this week by RT’s Gayane Chichakyan “whether the US has sanctioned any banks suspected of carrying out transactions for ISIL,” department spokesman Mark Toner responded with a resounding: “I’d have to look into that. I don’t have the answer in front of me.”
who-created-isisApparently the question of how ISIS is financing its operations is of so little interest to the State Department that they haven’t bothered to look into it. So in the interest of helping them out with their homework, let’s connect a few dots, shall we?
Earlier this year it was revealed that French President François Hollande had authorized illegal shipments of arms to the Syrian terrorists in 2012. The deliveries–including cannons, machine guns, rocket launchers and anti-tank missiles–were in direct contravention of an EU embargo that was in place at the time.
In late 2012 it was revealed that one of the most prominent backers of the Syrian terrorists was the French government, who in addition to their illegal arms shipments were also delivering money directly to the terrorist opposition leaders.
Last year the French arms export industry enjoyed its best sales in 15 years, with revenues up 18%. The reason for the Merchant of Death bonanza? A spike in sales to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, two of the main funders and supporters of ISIS.
Of course, not all of the blame for the fostering, funding, arming, equipping and training of ISIS belongs to France. Much of it belongs to the United States, its Gulf allies, Turkey and Israel, as well as assorted other NATO members. But there is a line to be drawn from the arms and funds that France supplied to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria and the seeming international operational abilities of this seemingly unstoppable terrorist boogeyman group.
France is a nation in mourning. But perhaps the French people can reserve at least some of their outrage for the government which has used their own tax money to fund, supply and support the terrorists they are now at war with.
From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Personally, I don't see it getting much uglier.
Whole thing is fucked up and arguing about who's the aggressor, etc, is a waste of time. Simple fact is we're being invaded.
But don't you feel GUILTY?
Don't you think we should all commit societal suicide out of a sense of social justice?
I really quit feeling guilty yesterday when I was rejected for jury service during the questioning.
In fact, I was insulted at the bull shit being thrown about to determine who gets seated.
They seriously want a buncha malleable electro-pharma robots as jurors.
Very discouraging and disturbing.
Social justice is enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution
Simple fact is we're being invaded.!...
But "why"? and by "whom" exactly?!!!
Knuck if you believe that the minority among the vandals and rapists now in Europe are the majority you've bought the notion of a "final solution" for the people who's Country you and I helped to destroy and that means you must be a "Zionist"!...
Been here and done that before now haven't we?!!!
"Trail of Tears" for the 21st Century by the Country that wrote the biggest chapter of genocide ever!
Why not let the Mooslem Countries take the Mooslems?
Obama is anti-Christian. He would rather let his CIA recruited, trained, and financed ISIS fighters cut the heads off all Christians in the Middle East then allow them to be brought here. In Obama's world view, the Middle East should be 100% Mooslem and the Mooslems should take over much of Europe. Not sure why Soro's and the other puppet masters think its good to have Mooslems invade Europe, but this will not end well
Gee. What are the odds of Barry Hussein signing this into law? Can you say "veto?"
And what are the chances of a veto override? Can you say "nil?"
Nice candidate photo op Cruz.
Yeah....He should just bend over and take it like a gay boy same as the repubs have been for the last two years (even in the majority)t
Actually, what these chest-thumping chicken hawks in Congress need to do is --- their jobs.
Any of them who scream for more boots on the ground or a stepped-up presence should simply draft legislation to that effect and put it to a vote. Take back their Constitutional powers that the Presidency has usurped, and they have abdicated, by putting it on the record that only Congress will authorize war. No Congressional approval, no funding.
Of course, they won't do that. If they did, they may have to actually take responsibility for something and blow their cover.
Cruz, like the rest of the sleaze bags we have as our representatives, is nothing but a grandstanding wind machine.
Government was not built upon responsibility, it was constructed completely upon a bureaucracy whose design is solely for the purpose of evading responsibility. Hillary can accept responsibility for Benghazi, yet do nothing to atone, no admission of even guilt or involvement even though her lies and involvement are well documented. We can see department heads such in the IRS case, where there is admission of bias and mishandling, if not outright corruption, yet no charges, not admission, not even anyone lost their job.
So to expect anything more from the highest offices in the land is dreaming beyond hope. The shit is so deep that no one can even determine who wrote an email or where billions of dollars disappeared to in an age of complete electronic documentation. It is beyond corrupt, it is a fucking joke, and we aren't laughing.
THEN MAKE HIM VETO IT
Make him veto bill after bill until his fucking pen runs out of ink
With the 1939 poll in mind, why not send them to Israel?
Red Ted
Funny Ted said this right AFTER Rand Paul came out and announced he was doing this.
There is no meaningful risk of Christians committing acts of Terrorism.
REALLY???
Hmmm, let's see, CIA, USSA military, State Department..... need I go on?
yea but Christians have armies rather than blokes in dresses and Nikes.
Well...these guys have to wear their dirty laundry because they kill all their women.
...onward Christian Soldiers, and the like.
Start with the crusades, on into the inquisition, etc. etc., WWI, WWII, Bosnia... (remember Srebenica?) Iraq, Afghanistan...
TBH all Abrahamic religions are violent. Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Organised religion just isn't a good thing in general really even the Buddist go ape shit sometimes.
Everyone ends up taking sides...if they live long enough. Religions are but one relatively antique means of organization. Modern societies are much more dependent on direct government run ideologies. The Muslim faith is an antique, but a well organized and indoctrinated one that our modern ideologies are having difficulty in combating...but we are working on it. Hate it as we will, it may become a necessity of survival. Look at the propaganda that all sides used in WWII. Everyone understood that if you were going to war, going to win, you had to be unified, and absolutely demonize the enemy....no room for empathy on the battlefield.
There are lots of ideas floating around here, some pretty extreme, but the one thing that is apparent to me is that for the most part, we have already lost any upcoming battle, before it even begins, as we are absolutely divided. In our past, if our nation were to come under attack, it would be a galvanizing and unifying event, like Pearl Harbor or even 9-11. I don't think that will happen today. We are too divided, too skeptical, too cynical to ever accept anything at face value, and honestly many would only believe the opposite of any state declaration. In that, we are already defeated. I'm not sure by whom yet. I'm only waiting for our new masters to show themselves......and a lot of "I told you sos"
So exactly what is your problem with the Crusades, attempting to retrieve what were considered the Holy Lands from the mahommedans that invaded them.
Or do you just repeat slogans on behalf of CAIR?
Come on now Ted...
The Langley "White Chimp" needs a big war and a "BIGGER WIN"!!!...
Now get with the program and give him one by sacrificing some more useless "bottom feeders" the way we did on September 11 in order to sell it!
No worries? The Chimp has plenty of ISIS already inside CONUS and they've been practicing real hard for years down at the Bragg to get ready for the festive occassion! Like we always say at the Pentagon we're invested up to our navel and can't let a good potential WWIII go to the "shit basket"!...
Just remember who pays your salary and allowed you to be a successful politician in the first place!...
Because if you're not with the MIC you can't be a "terrorist"!!!
Great gobs of gooey grimy pandering politicians, Bat Man. Must be an election year.
"Ah yes the good ol "Aw shucks, the peaceful Mooslems are just defending themselves and have never acted aggressively"
Well lets put the shoe on the other foot for 30 seconds.... You're an Iraqi and some clowns came in 20 years ago and pummelled your country nonstop into dust . These clows decided that the guy THEY put into power wasn't useful any more and became a political liability and took him out leaving your country much worse off. Fuck, even Colin Powell was right when he said "you break it you own it".
You might just have a fucking beef with them now, hugh?
Look back a few more decades.... some other clowns came in and drew arbitrary lines on a map and decided that was the new game in town.
"Mooslems have been aggressive terrorists for the better part of the last 1000 years."
Spanish Conquistadors for $200 Alex. Oh fuck, I forgot ......... they were Christian.
We need more fine 'Merkins like this fella.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/11/16/family-confirms...
Damn killers we allow in this country.
WTF.
Ted Cruz IS the Anchor Baby problem. Now the Anchor then runs for office so he can import the rest of ‘em.
Dup
mistake then for sure
We have our own problems with ruling Mullahs telling us how to live so now we’re importing refugees who need Mullahs to tell them how to live? Absolutely brilliant!
the whole fucking lunacy is WHY is the western civilization trying to civilize these barbarians?? WHY do we have groups using taxpayers money to help their women righst and so forth, WTF have they done to help our western christian civilization advance itself. let them evolve at their pace with their fucking koran from the stone age,thats the only source of education they have or care about even with western education they still remain the closed mind. WTF can they possibly contribute to our well being and the continuation of such they are a burden leave them to fight their shadow
"let them evolve at their pace with their fucking koran from the stone age"
You misspelled "600s."
As opposed to the Bible, which was assembled piecemeal from texts that were over 1000 years older in some cases.
But don't let facts enter into your mind at any point during your hateful and idiotic rant.
God damn America. It's filled full of morons like you.
Load them on ships and dump them in the middle of the ocean.
Anti-Freedom is at the root of all evil and Muslims take the cake for being the most anti-freedom lunatics in the history of the world! The entire town will pick up rocks to stone little girls to death for being raped. How much more sick can you get?
Maybe someone should tell Sen. Cruz about Joe Kony and his LRA friends
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
We had to erase all christian figures from our schools as otherwise it could insult the muslims.
If the terrorist attacks would have been done by christians, the entire christian faith would be abolished.
And what about all those "blacklivesmatter" twitter posts????
THAT'S DERANGED!!!
Fuck paris????
Obama should be going after those blacks as they're clearly the next threath!
The more I look at it, it's like all our governments are steering us right into a planned global war between races.
Nobody really wants that but if you look how the entire race thing has escelated these last years, it's crazy.
We're going to commit mass murder against all those nations and those races.
Every coloured people should realize that they're living in dangerous times of procecution.
Time is not on your side, you flat line er!
A world in chaos without a doubt. The whole thing is way to deep to fully understand, and I'm not really sure it matters WHY, accept to understand why WE act the ways we do. Why WE are so damned predictable and manipulatable.
I wonder if TPTB are trying to get us into these wars so we will be destroyed or if they are trying to goad other weaker nations into attacking us to give us cause to wipe them out. The later would be more believable if we had actually won a war in the last fifty years, which makes the former my remaining choice. Of course there are always those simply seeking profit from disaster and they play a role, but I believe they are but the facilitating middlemen that simply keep the wheels greased and completely unaware of their own destruction....or just don't care.
"Islam is a political movement masquerading as a religion with a philosophy indistinguishable from Nazi-ism".
The only time I've agreed with Ted Cruz about anything...
S/
How about a moratorium on visas for residents of the bad players in the middle east, not just refugees. We have to be clear headed about this not all misty eyed. We can't weed out potential mohammadean terrorists because we can't read minds, but this is a time to err on the side of caution.
Let their arab neighbors offer refuge to their landsmen (to mix metaphors).
Teddy!.... Brotha!!!....
You have to want WWIII look at what the IMF just did last week which was announced here on ZH!!!
Of course the White Chimp" thinks he will delay China's involvement with Russia moving forward but I think that explosion that went down today again for the 6th time since August all bets are off!!!!
We need the biggest of WAR(S) brotha!!!.... It's survival time for the USD or bust!!!
Our boyz and girlz will do anything we tell them for that green piece of "shit paper" in their wallets!!!... They've committed treason for us for 14 years based on the biggest of lies that killed their own?... So why would they stop now?!!!
I am for the deportation of that cocksucking Obama, bill.
So if they ban them from the US, does that mean we start banning Candians from entering the US since they are accepting over 25,000 new refugees this year. Maybe it justify's expanding the NSA some more and have a government offical eating dinner at your house every other day and sleep between you and your significant other. At least "you'll be safe". Some more coddling, sir?
Haven't you heard? The Canooks have halted the Syrian refugee program.
Haven't you heard? The Canooks have halted the Syrian refugee program.
a day late and a dollar short. Paul already did it Yesterday
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/16/rand-pau...
Why are none of the refugees stay in countries that are already muslim? Why? No one has a good reason.
Muslim, Christian, whatever. They are both constructs of terror and hate. The history of both shows this to be true. Religion is the problem. That is all
ISIL, ISIS, AQIA, AQIAP, and ther rest all stem from one bad organization.
The Muslim Brotherhood
Isis was crwated by Tge Cia to fight Assad.
Tgat does nit take the blame off Islam.
Its a death cult that has no place in a civilised society.
Its clearly written in the Koran to kill non believers.
I cannot beleive anyon3 can say ita a peacful religion.
I would outlaw tge enture religion.
Take away halal and bemefits and mist woyld leave anyway.
Sorry muslims DO Not integrate well
Isn't it cute how the GOP war mongerers are crying about refugees.
I am not saying we should be taking the refugees.
But the United States of Neocondia deserves to be saddled with the problem just as much as Europe.
And the GOP governors who include shitheads like McCain among their ranks should go and take a long look in the hypocrite mirror.
I disagree with Tyler's cynical tone - Cruz is telling the truth, and pressure should be maximized to limit this immigration initiative. "This is not America" is a ridiculous retort from Obama. Allowing immigration by this group is a dangerous decision by the President/Dictator, and it must be curtailed.
Accept the women and children (under 10). All others can wait until they are verified.
I occasionally frequent a Syrian falafal guy here in Brooklyn NY. Hell of a nice guy... tho not the best falafal!...
This is very simple. Don't take ANY OF THEM in. NONE...ZERO...ZILCH. It's not worth the risk, no matter what.
My apologies, but I see very little, or none at all "christians" in this country. The only religious aspects I see in the U.S. is the temple of sheeple... And fuck those christians that say "WWJD, what would jesus do"....we fucking know what He did, we dont need to ask that question....He fought the money changers and lost His life for it...That is what fucking Jesus would do ya so called christian fucks. Go get your 501c3, and take tax deductions to the bankers for donating to the preachers that teach nothing but shit. I believe in Jesus Christ, but I am finding no one else does...Atheists twisting words, obama, etc....atheists and obama's handlera win, but it will blow one day soon...you won the battle but not the war. You won thru twisiting words and telling untruths...and the preachers of 99% of the churches are equally to blame...and I abhor most christians the same as I abhor atheists...ok then. WTF is wrong with all of you? I just sit back and watch atheists and chirstians lie like crazy...fucking grow up
" I believe in Jesus Christ, but I am finding no one else does"
Very few of us, bro. Very few.
My great grandma was a Jehovah's Witness. She taught that this whole wicked system would be destroyed and most of the churches with it. As a child, I thought she was crazy. Now I see exactly what she meant.
God damn America.
There is precisely zero chance of Somali or Syrian muzzie "refugees" assimilating into any sort of American values or way of life, unlike the European immigrants of yore.
At best they are Western-hating permanant welfare cases, and 10% want to strap on bombs and head to the big game or the mall.
There is no possibility of vetting them because a five-year-old knows that there is no such database, and never will be.
Islam is a complete political and military system, not a religion. These are Obama's people. It is time to put impeachment on the table.
wrong
Islam is a religion
not a very good one
but it is a religion
that is how Muhammad roles
the book of knives
Some thing just greasy about Ted Cruz, it really bothers me.
I know he's a politician but man what a sleaze bag.
He talks a good game (sometimes), but he really makes me want to break his nose when he talks...
Even when I agree with him....
What's up with all the third grade spelling error mobile phone comments?
I generally agree with ZH on most things, but on this Cruz is correct. We are either in a war or we are not. If not get the hell out of these countries and if we are then allowing them into our nation is foolish. The constitution does not say we have to accept refugees and so if the general consensus of American is NO, then it is NO. There is a UN agenda to break down nationalities and religious associations(at least any judeo christian ones anyway) and Obama is doing his damndest to carry that agenda out.
Very interesting to watch the recent onset of creeping Fox News-ification here at ZH. What was once a standard bearer for alternative and anti-mainstream viewpoints is now subtly shifting back towards the hive mind. Megan Kelley, Shep Smith, and... Tyler Durden?
Look at the links in that story-- Washington Post, New York Times and Bloomberg. All approvingly cited, not ridiculed. Who is the target of their new slant on the news? Trump, Cruz, Carson. Neutral to Weak Buy ratings on Jeb and Obama for their adult viewpoint in a roomful of children.
Clearly, there is a new Tyler in the ring and this is one who is going to incrementally move the site back towards a more mainstream viewpoint. Can't happen all at once, of course, without causing a revolt among the anti-masses but watch the tiny shifts in emphasis take place.
Questioning the motives of someone who doesn't want embedded killers emigrating to the US-- and drawing a welfare check to help finance their schemes on top of that. Doesn't sound like the iconclastic ZH I'm famiiar with.
Won't be long before they're running a CNBC ticker along the bottom of the page.
Either we have been hijacked by a large zombie horde, or there is no hope left for America. If these commentators posting here represent the best and brightest America has to offer, we are totally fucked beyond belief six ways from Sunday.
you forgot to add it is a valuable source of anti semitism news
and KGB news
My bad.
Bush said Tuesday in an interview with Mark Halperin and John Heilemann for Bloomberg Politics' With All Due Respect. "The answer is to lead, to resolve the problem in Syria."
Sure, just like your dad and your brother "resolved" the problem in Iraq I suppose.
No, there's no meaningful risk of Christians committing acts of terror or plotting the violent overthrow of banksterism and its replacement with something that isn't an abomination in the eyes of God.
Maybe if there were, their right to freely practise their religion would be more widely respected.
Join the Militia its legal.
Jeb Bush. What are doing hanging around still? You need to go home now.
"Lunacy"
thats what you get when brain gets eaten by Syphillis
as it did to CabalA$$LickerLiarHomObamma
Whole world is at peril
Muslim Refugees = Islamic Infiltrators
Even the GCC countries don't let in Syrian Refugees.
Are they bringing in these "refugees" to distract everyone from the millions of El Salvadoran mafia and other Central American illegals they smuggled in over the past couple of years to vote for Hillary in '16?