This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
ISIS Posts Photo Of Bomb That Brought Down Russian Plane
Moments ago, ISIS released the 12th issue of its magazine profiled here previously, which had a cover page with a clear enough title: "Just Terror"
But while it has the usual content full of pro-Jihad propaganda, some 66 pages of it, as well as numerous images to commemorate the martyrs for the ISIS cause, what was most stunning about this edition was ISIS admission of how it brought down the Russian airplane above Egypt's Sinai peninsula, which as even Russia admitted yesterday, was the result of an ISIS bomb.
On page 3, we find the following two photos: one shows what Dabiq alleges are passports belonging to the "dead crusaders obtained by mujahidin"...
... and more troubling, is the image of the IED used to bring down the Russian airliner: a bomb concealed in a can of Gold beer.
This corroborates what Russia FSB chief Aleksandr Bortnikov said: "traces of a foreign-made explosive substance" have been found. "During the flight, a homemade device with the power of 1.5 kilograms of TNT was detonated."
And something else which is perhaps just as surprising: in the foreword to its magazine, ISIS says it had originally planned to bring down a plane "belonging to a nation in the American-led alliance" but changed its mind to blow up the Russian plane instead.
On “30 September 2015,” after years of supporting the Nusayr in the war against the Muslims of Sham, Russia decided to participate directly with its own air force in the war. It was a rash decision of arrogance from Russia, as if it held that its wars against the Muslims of al-Qawqz were not enough offence. And so after having discovered a way to compromise the security at the Sharm el-Sheikh International Airport and resolving to bring down a plane belonging to a nation in the American-led Western coalition against the Islamic State, the target was changed to a Russian plane. A bomb was smuggled onto the airplane, leading to the deaths of 219 Russians and 5 other crusaders only a month after Russia’s thoughtless decision.
For those curious about the authenticity of the photo, or to learn more about ISIS' propaganda, the complete latest edition of the magazine can be found here, and is reposted below.
»
- 831 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
IT'S A GOLD CONSPIRACY!!!!
High Proof drink?
Remember....be frightened, be very very frightened. Terrorists don't win unless you are terrorized.
Government doesn't scare me.
Looks like a can of soda to me. Regardless, I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Rita Katz's Studio.
So if ISIS = CIA, then a US agency brought down a Russian civilian airliner, right?
To me this is cover for far more sophisticated weaponry that did the job.
OK, so a bunch of Muzzies (who don't drink alcohol) used a beer can to contain the bomb. Either that's incredible irony or I'm going to have to tell Langley they need to try harder.
All successful bombings are immediately followed by full disclosure.... I read it in War for Dummies
From p38. "After you successfully maim, alter, incapacitate, or dispose of the enemy, we recommend you publish the step-by-step procedures taken, including any applicable pictures or drawings of the device used." /s
ISIS is a CIA-Mossad lie
White House, Media Silent One Year After Murder of US Reporter Who Exposed Western Links to ISIS October 20, 2015
Schweppes Gold is pineapple soda pop, not beer. But hey, why spoil the narrative.
Don't ruin a good story with the truth.
Terrorist: Hey Langley, gate 4B right, American Airlines?
Langley: Nah, The American people are waking up to us and our tactics. Lets send a message to the Russians.
Terrorist: Gotcha
Photo bomb a bomb?
If these guys have been making IED's work under armoured vehicles for years now, they aren't going to have much problem pulling this off...you just need a few friends who load or clean the planes, then all they do is play dumb.
The Russians recovered the suitcase containing the bomb very quickly, in the first few days. It was the only piece of luggage with evidence of burning. They have kept quiet about their investigations while the formal aircrash process was underway. I suspect they know a lot more about the actual bomb than they are letting on.
Schweppes Gold - So good, you'll just die!
Thats not a beer can , its pineapple drink. BTW, this only confirms again that ISIS is CIA.
FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION
CHANGE YOU BETTER BELIEVE IN
Takes the term "Photo Bomb" to a new level. Your move internets.
Document Removed Due to Cooyright Infringement.
----
WTF? Wouldn't ISIS *want* this spread freely, or are we worried about them suing zerohedge?
Has the document been copyrighted by someone else, and thus cannot be shown? WTF is going on?
ISIS are worried it might negatively affect their planned IPO for 2016.
at least they didnt use coke. that would have really sent a message. fucking retarded religionists.
That copyright infringment thingie is a part of the TPP... Internet will be neutralized.
This has got to be a fucking joke right? Copyright? I mean, perhaps its for my own good that i cant see it.
What state would issue them a copyright? More importantly, what state would enforce that copyright?
GOLD BITCHEZ!
To answer you question: The CIA publishes DABIQ. Very jealous of their copyrighted content.
Rest assured there is some marketing boy in mid-town Atlanta wondering that their soda market penetration isn't as deep as they thought it was, and pontificating whether it should have been a red can in that photo or not.
Doubtless there also is someone at a desk in Virginia saying "Schweppes? Are they the poster-child of capitalist culture? We shoulda used a things-go-better-with can"
The document is avaiable at
http://ia801503.us.archive.org/18/items/Dabiq12_20151118_2047/Dabiq%2012...
Good old US archive.org
One of the articles in the magazine is called "Paradigm Shift Part II - by John Cantlie"
Paradigm Shift? Come on, the's straight out of Harvard Business School.
On behalf of all ZH readers, I would think to thank the CIA for the amount of effort they have put into this. The production values are truly wondertful. It is nice to see some of the money from the Afghan drug running put to good use.
And 'John Cantlie'? Stop taking the piss!
ISIS coming for America & Europe now!
http://motivationdose.com/electromagnetic-pulse-attack-emp-blackout-usa-...
"I'll tell you what that means Norm. No size restrictions and SCREW the limit!"
https://www.bibalex.org/supercourse/lecture/lec11361/img002.GIF
and that Obama is an ass fruit
Let’s take a moment to think this whole situation over…
1) Before ISIS bombed the Russian airliner, Russia had been concentrating its airstrikes against anti-Assad “rebels” / Western regime change forces.
2) After the bombing and during the G20, the West pressured Russia to stop bombing the “rebels” and start bombing the people who brought down the airliner, ISIS.
Given that the “Western” intelligence services run both the “rebels” and ISIS, and looking at these two points, can you see the motive for the “Western” intelligence services ordering ISIS to blow up the Russian airliner? It was to draw Russia away from bombing the “rebels” and towards bombing ISIS.
Now that Russia is saying a “foreign-made” explosive substance brought down the plane, all that’s needed to justify a war is for the Russians to announce that…
1) the explosive was American-made, and
2) their intelligence services have uncovered a direct chain of command from the CIA to ISIS that ordered the attack.
Ergo, the US ordered the destruction of the Russian airliner. - source
the West pressured Russia to stop bombing the “rebels”
Sources, links?
'Sources..link?'. Come on man, this ZH.
All the sources, links and background are in the previous update: http://redefininggod.com/2015/11/globalist-agenda-watch-2015-update-87-t...
The only thing I'm seeing at your link is allegations that the Russians are intensifying their attacks on Western regime change forces.
I'm still missing the slightest hint at where the West pressured Russia to stop bombing the “rebels” as you originally posted (with "pressured" in past tense, as if successfully make the Russians do what the West wants)
Therefore I call B/S.
I'm tellin' ya, war these days is not head-to-head. What you want, each and every time is either leverage or full-on regime change (with your puppet in charge, of course).
Its about winning the hearts and minds, not seeing who can blow up the most residential quarters.
Plausible deniability is key, and so are acts of (industrial) sabotage, or in this case, an attack that not only targets Russia, but specifically Russian tourism to Egypt. You want to force the other side into a mistake, and one of those mistakes would be coming out to say "This was America! It was the CIA, etc." because you damn well know Mossad and CIA would have a prepared response for that scenario "Russia wants war! Look how crazy they are getting, in order to get it!"
This conflict will ultimately go head-to-head, either economically or militarily. It is necessary in order to bring in the BRICS-fronted NWO: http://redefininggod.com/understanding-the-nwo-strategy/ And if the globalists are really trying to bring religious prophecy into the NWO transition, it will definitely go military at some point: http://redefininggod.com/obama-and-the-2nd-coming/
Trouble is, when the bombs start dropping and the mushroom clouds start forming PR coups don't mean shit.
I'm not sure our overlords are smart enugh to have figured that one out.
Russia does not distinguish between terrorists in Syria. The actual non-nutjob opposition have been working with Russia from early on, providing targetting information. The west loves to muddy the issue by referring to ill-defined groups of people by different ill-defined names according to short term expediency.
A simple way to identify the Bad Guys - the US will object to Russia/Syria targetting them, whilst the US coalition arms them and only bombs the Bad Guy bases once they have been abandoned.
Well, human intelligence is debatable these days, but I think we're all getting burned out here with these absurd scenarios coming down the pike at us everyday.
It's hard to play dumb when you're being tortured. . .unless, of course, you don't know anything about the topic you're being tortured over.
Useless info tidbit: Dabiq is the name of one of two places mentioned in Islamic end-time prophesies as their equivalent of Armageddon. Today, it's a tiny village in Syria a few miles northeast of Aleppo. Coincidentally, it's right on the southern border of what the U.S. and Turkey were planning on calling the 'Safe Zone'. The idea is to heard tens of thousands of defenseless Syrian refugees from Turkish U.N. camps to new 'Safe Zone' extermination camps to be guarded by Dutch U.N. troops until the time comes for their slaughter by ISIS/al Nusra/CIA (just like Srebrenica). But I digress.
Dabiq is (or was) the site of the battle between the Romans and Muslims that would signal the end times. Romans = Christians = Cursaders, but I guess NATO is close enough for today. The Muslims prevail in the Muslim/NATO war of Armageddon and then they take over Turkey - or at least Constantanople (Istanbul today). Then the Muslims take out the anti-Christ (Hillary) and Jesus drops by for a visit. (Boy, is he gonna be pissed). Anyways, we all live happily ever after. Like every other end-times prophecy, this may have already kind of happened once or twice before, but who knows.
ISIS/al Nusra/Xe/Academi fancy the current war in Syria as leading up to this big, final Muslim battle before they take out the anti-Christ. Thus the name of their slick Langley-produced terror news magazine: Dabiq.
"future events are spoken of in the past tense in Hebrew"
In other words, if you described A HISTORICAL EVENT using Hebrew, it could then be read by some idiot as though it was a prophecy of an EVENT TO COME.
thanks bro. most people don't realize these assholes are waiting with baited breath for the end of the world. I would be to if i had some guy whose been dead for 1600 years telling me how to live my fucking life 5 times a day starting at 5 AM call to prayer everday for the rest of my life.
Schweppes was founded in Geneva, the same city/state as the New World Order. Now I think the PTB are just messing with us, dropping clues and such. ;-)
the plot thickens...
and a can has a lid...
it had a explosive inside...
THEY WANT TO BLOW THE LID!!
And Schweppes in english is an anagram for SENSAGENT!
An agent wants to blow the lid!snowden.... NSA.... America...
MY GOD!!
I UNDERSTAND NOW!!
Do they make a "Pink Mist" flavor? That would be cool.
New TSA rule -- everybody boards plane naked, with no luggage, and a bomb sniffing dog has to sniff your ass.
Finally we can be totally safe.
A can of pineapple pop. In WWII GI lingo a hand grenade was a "pineapple". ISIS be messin' with us.
They be meesin with you , you be messin your pants
A muslim cruising onto a plane with a beer would've been a tad suspicious.
Makes you yearn for the good old days when the set up was more clear to us rubes. Maybe they should have borrowed all those baby milk factory jumpsuits.
all refugees report to gate c-4, all refugees to gate c-4.
Everyone seems to have forgotten this report...
CIA GIVES "SYRIAN MILITANTS" ANTI-AIRLINER WEAPONS TO KEEP RUSSIANS "AT BAY"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o950Fzq3kWo
Huh Funny, they did not use a "USD Fiats" Beer Can ???
I don't get it, is this some new kind a drinking game?
http://news.yahoo.com/saint-denis-raid-apartment-owner-terror-attack-sus...
I am sure all the schmucks that handled that soda can will 'DENY' it.
It’s not about the simple device (explosive, detonator cap, power source) it’s about the cleverness.
A foriegn made explosive?
Foreign to whom?
They should be able to tell exactly who made it.
Dupont asked to have their name left out of it.
The Russians have stated the explosive was the equivalent of about a little 1 kg of TNT. Would that fit inside a can of that side. I suspect the only way to do that in a container of the size claimed would be to use military grade explosive.
RDX or somthing like it.
Explosive weight estimates are converted into TNT equivalent its the standard unit of measure, like Troy ounces for gold. If it was a bomb, it was undoubtedly a plastic explosive of some kind as TNT does not lend itself well for small improvised devices. The device in this picture is questionable in my mind. Even if the soda can is full of C4 i dont think it would equal 1.5 KG of TNT that the Russians reported, would have to check the volume of a soda can with the weight of a plastic explosive, but it doesnt look right visualy. Im not sure what the contraption on the right is suppossed to be exactly, ostensibly its the initiation system, the electrical tape covers up the money parts. On the other hand you cant doubt the ingenuity of muzzies with IEDs they may have figured something out.
Soda can has volume of 350 cubic cm. RDX has a density of 1.82 g/cm^3 which means you could fit 350cm^3 X 1.82 g/cm^3 = 637g = 0.637kg of RDX. According to Wiki, RDX has 2 times the explosive force of TNT (per unit volume) so this could hold an explosive force of 1.275kg of TNT which is well within the 1.5kg TNT estimate.
Source, please?
(+10000000 for your Critical Analysis though...even if it was not backed on correct information.)
RDX has brisance of 116 in sand.
From Wiki...since you used it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_(explosive)
Look at my math below. (I was posting at the same time you did. You just finished yours before I finished mine.)
In the Table labeled Sensitivity Test Values...
Brisance measured by Sand test (% TNT) 116Do you know why they call a 1/4 pounder a royal w/cheese ?
No. Do I care to know that?
Are you confusing Burger King with McDonalds?
And just what does that have to do with a Russian Jet being blown out of the sky by ISIS over Egypt?
If this were an article that was about nicknames for common commercially available fast food sandwhiches then I'd probably not have read about it in the first place because, frankly, it does not interest me,
But even if I were to have read about that I'd withhold comment as I have nothing to contribute about that whatsoever.
Just saw this TallTom...
I just used this from the RDX Wiki page:
"RDX when exploded in air has about 1.5 times the explosive power of TNT per unit weight and about 2.0 times per unit volume", obviously going off the volume multiplier.
Jihadis and the FBI seem to favor PETN and RDX for their underwear/shoe bombs in the past, but they could use damn near any high-energy/density explosive scooped out of an appropriate warhead or shell (which seem in abundant supply in the Middle East). Most are sufficiently difficult to make that you're not going to cook up a batch in your back yard. There is no 'military grade' version, but you're unlikely to find any source besides munitions (or whatever the CIA is shipping to head-choppers from military stocks that week).
Pound for pound, they have a higher energy density than TNT, but there's a few different ways to describe 'explosive power' and plenty of 'it depends'. In simple terms, maybe 200% as powerful, give or take 100%. I would think a can like that could be a kilo of TNT equivalent, but it doesn't really matter. It would still be plenty powererful enough to take out a pressurized passenger jet at altitude no matter where it was placed or if it was only 1:1 equivalent to TNT.
The jetliner itself is an aluminum can with wings.
I agree with what you say, except the "not going to cook up a batch in your back yard" - the first youtube result for "how to make PETN" is a teenager synthesizing some in his backyard.
We've used ANFO to remove trees and spread out substantial debris piles after timber operations have moved on (because it is more fun than using the tractor), and it is a very simple, two ingredient mix, both of which can be bought online or at local stores, and takes 5 minutes to package up. ANFO is about 3/4s as powerful as TNT though (PETN and RDX are both 2x as powerful as ANFO), but to your point, a soda can sized container full of ANFO well placed and packed IN the trunk of a large tree (i.e. in a hole) could definitely take it down. If I were taping it to the side of a tree, which would be more typical, I'd want 2 - 4x as much to blow a chunk out of the tree and knock it over, versus containing the blast within the structure of the tree. I have no doubts that a well-placed one on a plane could do very substantial damage.
Ever since the Oklahoma bombing all AN fertilizer in the majority of western countries has been combined with calcium, which drastically inhibits the explosive characteristics of an ANFO mix while not affecting its fertilizer qualities. Mining companies can still access prilled AN for explosives use, but it is considered a category 1 substance and is more tightly controlled than methanphetamine precursors. I highly doubt you can obtain AN fertilizer without calcium from a local store without an explosives license, numerous forms of ID, and lots of paperwork. If you can, then stock up as much as you can because the feds will be "interviewing" the owner of that store shortly...
"...the first youtube result for "how to make PETN" is a teenager synthesizing some in his backyard..."
True - it's possible if you have the right reagents handy. I'll qualify my statement by suggesting that ISIS ghetto chemists would probably not bother. The place is a Wal*Mart for unexploded ordinance or 'lost' caches of HE munitions. My guess would be that it's easier to find/buy for cheap an intact, unfuzed 155mm shell or a mortar round than it is to find a five gallon jug of fuming nitric acid and a hundred pounds of ice at the local ISIS Pump-and-Munch/headchopper IED bazaar. And I think ISIS still offers gas discount coupons with every IED/UXO purchase, so there's that bonus savings to consider, too.
TNT is mostly filler, as are a lot of handleable exspiosives.
Helps them stay stable until....
Amateur hour with the can though.The first rule is to hide something inside something rare and
valuble that customs/security has to completely destro toy find whats hidden.
The covers of rare books were a favorite, and the joke was that many learned bookbindng in prison.
I refuse to believe anybody can be so fucking stupid as to think the U.S. is doing all of this. What's the matter with you people? Has your hatred of America poisoned you to the point that you can't even identify a terrorist organization when it has killed over 200 innocent Russians plus God only knows how many other people around the world in the past couple of years? You justfiably make fun of that idiot Obama but then you turn around and act just as stupid yourselves. Down vote away but 90% of the people in Europe and around the world (including a lot of Russians!) would agree with me.
it is not the usa who are perpeing this. it is a cabal of zionazis who have created the conditions directly and indirectly beginning with the wanton killing and demonization of muslims begining more than 100 years ago. constantly telling people like you the evil muslims attack and kill people for no reason. you have bought the story hook, line and sinker apparently.
the west is at war with the muslims by its own design for the benefit of a chosen few people. it is clear as the nose on your face. even a blind man can see it but that doesn't cover the bottom half of the class.
100 years? Shit, its probably 200 since they (Zionist crypto juice) created Wahhabism and the House of Saud, isn't it? These fuckers play the long game.
The Arabian peninsula was handed to the loyal al-Saud sect in 1932 by the British Empire.
The power elite we are subservient to hasn't changed since that time; it has taken an American and Zionist flavour, but is still the same colonial, oligarchic, and eugenist maritime empire.
That's not to say the world would be better today if the Ottoman Empire had defeated the British in WW1. We would probably be still fighting it today too. Anyway, Islam is not congruent with barbarism, wahhabism is. And the "west" created/protect/subsidize the wahhabits.
We owe the Arabs algebra, the numeral system and the rediscovery of ancient philosophers. They were are the epicenter of civilization when we were mired in the Middle Ages.
interesting trivia. at walt disney world on the spaceship earth ride, the narrator says the muslims(true) and jews(not true) preserved the knowledge of the world being destroyed by the west during the dark ages. the inclusion of the jews as dark ages scholars always bothered me because of their gratuitous inclusion in what amounted to the muslims' rennaisance period.
Well, they were fantastic tax collectors, usurers and money changers... Lets give credit where its due.
>>>We owe the Arabs algebra, the numeral system and the rediscovery of ancient philosophers.
We owe a civilizational debt not so much to "the Arabs", as to the various residents of the Middle East generally, who are not just Arabs (though most now speak Arabic). The Golden Age of Islam, and its positive attributes, was well described in a Libertarian classic "The Discovery of Freedom", by R. W. Lane. Available free online, courtesy of the Mises Institute:
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/The%20Discovery%20of%20Freedom_2.pdf
I refuse to believe anybody can be so fucking stupid ...
Well, it happened before. The Bologna massacre was blamed on far-left extremists, and later discovered to have been perpetrated by elements within Italian and US intelligence. Recognizing so doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the existence of communist fanatics.
As to the Paris shootings, and Charlie Hebdo, and 911, etc. I suggest you read about operation Gladio B.
And again, rejecting the institutional conspiracy theories about bearded superpilots, steel pulverization and invincible passports, and calling these attacks "probable false-flags until proven otherwise" is coherent, rational and intellectually honest.
Thank you for taking the time to refute his false, shallow, inaccurate and narrow minded argument.
Jefferson 32 said:--
that statement is presented as FACT when it still hasn't been PROVEN to this day -- 35 years after the event -- that the US had any hand in the Bologna bombing. Yes, it was probably far-right extremists who did it. Some from the far-right were initially convicted...some of these were later (rightly or wrongly) acquitted. Bolgna was chosen because of its history as a city with a Leftist tradition.
I suggest Jefferson32 you go back to check your sources. Bologna was NEVER seriously blamed on far-left extremists. The Christian Democrat PM of the day, Francesco Cossiga, after the possibility that it was a faulty boiler explosion was discounted, he came out and fingered the Far-right groups (Or "Black" terrorists, as Italians label the far-right maniacs that are in such groups). 85 people were killed that day in 1980...ordinary people going about their business. Appalling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre
War, violence, killing and destruction, what drives it? If it was only about who gets the biggest piece of the pie how can fighting over it produce a more optimal result than cutting the pie up into equal pieces and everyone heads off to make a bigger pie for tomorrow. Destruction of capital reduces overall production.
Humans without technology and restricted to hunting and gathering form into tribes and I can understand that how two tribes living in adjacent valleys can end up fighting for generations as young men for the want of proving themselves, bravado, or simply because bad boys score, raid the other tribe and warfare becomes entrenched and intergenerational as in the mountains of New Guinea today or in the Pacific a mere 150 years ago. The passage to manhood, elegibility to mate was marked by proficiency in the battlefield to prove that you protect your family and farm from marauders.
Brits conquered the world, natives were subdued, civilised and educated stopped from eating each other and introduced to property ownership. debt religion, law and order, the sun didn't set on the Empire, all rivals were knocked over the Spanish, Dutch Boers, French, Ottoman see (Tragedy and Hope by Carrol .... Clinton's history professor).
The two tribes in adjacent valleys fought within bounds and (perhaps or predominately a sense of) honour (surely young men going off to fight had to return and account for themselves to their elders on their return), and this sense of honour on the battlefield led to such follies as the charge of the light brigade, but there was honour .... or at least there was as told in tales of derring do.
Natives were subdued and civilised, educated in the rule of law stopped from fighting and eating each other but yet were co-opted to help in a couple of world wars against the Japs and the Hun who wanted to deprive us of our freedoms.
In each of those wars, one of which was fought as the one to end all wars, the first casualty was the truth and the victor wrote the history, evidence of a hidden hand emerges. An intelligent malevolence devoid of humanity drives it, a young man fighting with honour and family is a member of a manipulated mob. But the bit I don't understand is why. The 1% have enough money for a 1,000 meals a day for the rest of their lives, end even if the "system" collapsed "naturally" they would still own assets to ensure their survival in relative luxury, why risk annialation, why destroy productive capital, surely it would have better to trade with a productive Syria and Libya than rebuild failed states (not to mention Iraq and Afganistan).
Anyway here is a glimpse of their mindset http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/10/talking-with-th... Where this caught my eye
"The other movie he loved is The Third Man, starring Orson Welles and Joseph Cotten.
And which of those characters did he look to?
He could recite the dialogue from the scene at the top of the Ferris wheel. It was actually kind of chilling. Joseph Cotten plays a character called Holly Martins, and he's confronting Orson Welles, who is Harry Lime, for trafficking in adulterated penicillin. Children are dying in hospitals in Vienna. "Don't be melodramatic," Harry Lime tells him. "Look down there. Tell me—would you really feel any pity if one of these dots stopped moving forever? If I offered you £20,000 for every dot that stopped, would you really tell me to keep my money—or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare?""
And in getting the above I see this
"New York Times correspondent Tim Weiner is interviewed in your film. In 2007, he wrote a book, Legacy of Ashes, the basic theme of which is that the CIA has been a waste. He asserts that it's never been successful. How do you deal with those criticisms?
I argued with Tim before and after interviewing him. I said that the CIA was successful in Italy, and I also mentioned Indonesia. Tim said that Indonesia is a hotbed of Muslim radicalism. I said, "Muslim radicalism? It's the largest Muslim country in the world—and they're making Nikes!" Indonesia is one of the CIA's success stories, and so are countless other places."
In "Legacy of ashes" the CIA is painted as a bumbling incomepetent organisation .... haha
Will look up that documentary.
sorry mate. after almost a decade in the Middle East i am convinced no one can be as stupid as the US Federal Govt - it is intentional. Go to Vegas, boooze it up and drown your sorrows there.
When the image is enlarged, it reads "Pineapple" along the bottom. A pineapple-flavored Schweppes beverage of some kind: soda, flavored tonic water.
1,5kg TNT in a beer can (0,33L)? - what's the density of TNT?
QED. Why would anyone be surprised if the USSA directly targeted Russians for massacre? Look at how the Donbass civilians were mercilessly bombed by their Ukrainian fascist pets. The USSA will kill anyone, including their own people, to forward their satanic agenda. Remember 911?
Nuclear tests, biological tests, GMO's...
There's plenty of proof that the US govenrment doesn't place it's citizens first on any list so why would they give a fuck about people from other countries?
No.
What's 911? Emergency phone #?
No, it's the number to call for Isreali Synchronised Dancing Team.
Junked for your belief in Satan.
Fucking Pure Evil Psychopath CIA McGivar of Coke Bombs. Only Coke these asshlos have is one one their importing
I think it's more like ISIS has been used as useful idiots by the CIA. You can't really control a group like that.
Agreed. The on/off switch is a dead giveaway, for misdirection, suggesting suicide bomber on board.
The switch could just arm the bomb; it could then be triggered by a barometric trigger, or a timer.
So wait, The Mandarin from Iron Man 3 is ISIS?
Its' a Schweppes bottle of soda. Really, that is tough to google? It says Pineapple on it. Zerohedge is getting lazy.
http://www.thirstydudes.com/review/schweppes-gold-2065
Either way, give it 3 seconds before putting cans of anything in your luggage is illegalized by the TSA
Luggage is screened, the food service delivery isn't (even if they they conduct a half assed search of catering staff when they punch in).
However, either Saint Puti and FSB are wrong (about 1.5kg of TNT equivalent) or that isn't the bomb that brought down the plane.
Have you ever been to Egypt? They have a very lousy security in airports. This is why Russia banned flights to Egypt, but also offered to "help train Egyptian staff and teach them how to improve security at airports - as a condition for renewing the flights." It is expected that flights will be renewed in March, if Egyptians manage to improve security and after security audits by Russian experts.
Yes I have been to Egypt, but the comment was moe general than airports in Egypt. NO AIPORT IN THE WORLD searches everything that comes into contact with an airplane on the tarmac.
The can seems big enough to hold a plastique type device that would yield at least that. Any high school chem student could make the RDX or similar and plasticizer. The cap is not homemade but very common so nothing in the picture couldn't be procured or manufactured at home. As long as the hole is big enough, the stress of rapid decompression and loss of hull integrity makes short work of thin skin aluminum aircraft. The electronic fuse is probably on a timer but an improvised barometric sensor could also be rigged up. My guess is the overpressure in the baggage compartment was enough to cause structural failure. Most of the poor folks on that plane were probably alive for the descent.
The can seems big enough to hold a plastique type device that would yield at least that.
WRONG. Just what analysis have you done? Just what research have you done? NONE.
You are just blindly accepting a narrative without any forethought or any critical analysis.
Nothing more than a god damn parrot.
No critical thinking here...eh???
Squawk. Squawk...A fucking BIRD BRAIN.
Read below for a REASONED OUT ANALYSIS...USING ACTUAL FACTS...EVIDENCE.
To the junkers....
iT IS EXTREMELY EASY TO...
1) Get the required information for analysis
2) Then using the relevant information one performs the simple operations of multiplication.
THIS IS NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE.
It is not about how you feel.
Feelings do not matter when critically analyzing the validity of statements...especially statements issued by Governments and Corporations, which, most of the time, are DESIGNED TO MANIPULATE YOU THROUGH THE USE OF EMOTIONS rather than exposing the truthful facts.
At times you can often actually discern truth from fictional narrative if you decide to use your brain..
High School Arithmetic and Basic Algebraic Reasoning is not that damned demanding.
Furthermore this is a FINANCIAL WEBSITE where a modest and basic understanding of rudimentary mathematics is REQUIRED.
Finance deals with NUMERICAL ANALYSIS.
If you are not up to speed then it is not my problem...BUT YOUR PROBLEM.
So when I read BULLSHIT then I am going to point it out. And since this is Fight Club then I am not going to be nice about it.
And if you do not like that then you can go and autofellate in Mommy's basement and shove your head where the sun does not shine..right back up into her cunt, you fucking INNUMERATE BIRDBRAINS.
From the US Department of the Army Military Technical Manual of Explosives...
RDX (C4) has a nominal density of 1.72 gm/cm3.
RDX (C4) Brisance in sand is 116. (116% TNT)
Volume of 12 Oz Can is 355 ml or 355 cm3.
Instead of postulating let's do some math...
12 oz can of RDX mass is as follows.
(1.72 gm/cm3)(355 cm3) = 610 gms.
(610 gms)(1.16) = 700.3 gms, or 0.7 kg equivalent TNT per device.
Thus C4 did not bring down this plane with one device.
Yet in the other photo next to the photo of the device there is three passports inset into a picture of the wreckage of the flight and claimed that they were martyrs.
If is was a Suicide Bombing and if TWO OUT OF THREE detonated similar devices, then those TWO DEVICES would have the equivalent of 1.4 kg of TNT...which is not that far off the number in the Russian Report.
Thus I report that it is consistent and plausible with the report from the Government of Russia.
... so they used 2 cans. It should be pretty easy to hook up 2 caps to that electronic package.
Possible.
But the report inferred that three martyrs died.
(And of course the magazine is no longer available. They pulled it down under the pretense of "Copyright Violation" rather than the NSA wanted to stop the spread of the subversive literature. PIPA at work. Censorship in the USA should be apparent at this point..)
My bet is on suicide bombers.
you probably didn't do very well on the word tests in math class.
DABIQ says those 3 passports were CRUSADERS.
Fail dude.
+42 for Critical Thinking, rather than parroting, and for actually doing the basic math.
Look, folks, I like a funny or witty one-liner as much as the next guy, but... How about you earn or live up to ZH Blogger status, by actually using your friggin Noggen? (Like Tall Tom just has). What do we have here, high-school dropouts? Sheesh!
What?!?
I am a High School Dropout...
(did it to go to college early...)
Yeah I know...Some of the trolls are getting bad. It seems as if I am reading Yahoo Comments at times.
I rarely showed my work in school, but since I took a different approach...
1.5kg of TNT = 6.3 MJ
C4 = 6.7 MJ/kg
Thus .94kg (33oz) of C4 would be required
Being lazy I didn't bother to look up the density of C4 (they're all less than 2, and more than 1.5), regardless- no way the required C4, a blasting cap and that trigger all fit inside that 12oz can. One of Mayor Bloomberg's deadly Big Gulps... sure.
So, assuming the Russians didn't screw up their significant digits and ISIS ain't lying its ass off about the container... either multiple cans were used or someone [military/intelligence agency] gave ISIS something that has never been known to be manufactured clandestine lab, as the binders and plasticizers in C4 only come at a 20% energy reduction vs pure RDX.
Dammit...I'd have given you a bad grade as I required showing work.
(I'd actually read the test papers and would talk to the "victim" of my red ink if I saw a valid attempt with faulty reasoning.)
You do know that automobile antifreeze is a wonderful substance...
Not just making it pliable in colder climes it may actually add some "oomph" to when combined with some Nitric and Sulfuric Acids.
I have not experimented but...Check out this extract...
Synthesis and Characterization of Polyethylene Glycol Dinitrates
http://www.wydawnictwa.ipo.waw.pl/cejem/cejem-8-3-2011/matyas.pdfInteresting (thanks for the link), but a relative PITA (since I keep antifreeze and sulfuric acid, but not nitric acid or DCM). I haven't "experimented" since highschool (back before only terrorists were allowed to have knowledge), but I actually learned far more about the underlying chemistry and mechanics in highschool than in Uncle Sam's "for Dummies" school. These days I'll just go to the building supply store and pick up some watergel if I feel a need to "redecorate" the yard again... unless they outlaw it, then I'd probably be stuck making a quick batch of ANFO (since I'm lazy and now more paranoid than I was in my youth).
Yeah. I got Nitric Acid and Hydrochloric Acid for Gold Refining, Sulfuric Acid for Gold Recovery by Reverse Electroplating, and antifreeze...propylene glycol for my car.
Not into experimenting but ithere is no regulations on obtaining these Chemicals. No paperwork required.
But that is how I know that there are no terrorists in the United States. It is far too easy.
It is far more challenging to be constructive rather than destructive.
I know that I write a lot with snark...
But it can be done if ever needed.
May the Good Lord forbid it ever does.
I shouldn't post when I'm sleep deprived, as I left out the supply of ethylene oxide to make the ethylene into polyethylene. That's what I get for not writing out the math. But without the basic experience that 1.5kg and a soda can looked "wrong" I never would have done any bothered to look up reference values and instead just accepted the facts as presented regardless of my suspicions as to motivation.
Being constructive is more challenging than being destructive, but one can't be constructive without at also having at least the capacity for destruction. Perhaps that's why things only seem to get worse as we coddle and insulate each generation in direct correlation to our borrowing capacity. In a mere quarter century we've somehow arrived at the ubiquitous SJW (wo)man-child hell from starting at something significantly more tolerant:
Some students also disagreed with the perception that explosives experiments are an inherently horrendous act, especially since the teenagers apparently meant no one harm in this instance. No one seemed sure how many students count bomb building among their hobbies... I don't condone what the students involved did, but they were not acting with malice or anger, and they weren't drunk or beating up anyone... They were just attacking a field, I can think of a lot worse things to attack... The bombings were a very bad idea, but it has been made a much bigger deal than it should have been. They just blew up some grass... Most of the guys think it was dumb to do, but they also know a lot of people are interested in seeing just how far their ingenuity can take them on a project.
There was no mention of any martrys. The photo caption referred to "crusaders" as reference to 3 particular Russian targets on the plane. Also if you read the excerpt from dabiq there was no reference to anyone on the plane, only that an explosive was planted. Had there been a suicide bomber they would have no doubt plastered pics and praise all over their rag like he was some jihadi justin beiber.
First there are Chechnya Rebels that are working in congruence with ISIS. They are Muslim and have conductedi many suicide attacks in Russia.
Russian Suicide Bombers would bring far less attention boarding the aircraft than Suicide Bombers from Arabian decent.
And isn't jihad a crusade? They are the ones invading after all.
As I DO NOT NOW FOR CERTAIN, and since the article was taken down before I had a chance to read it, then you have a valid point that they were possible targets.
Do you have any evidence for your assertion
Or are you speculating?
With multiple bombs I speculated that we had multiple bombers.
I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING FOR CERTAIN other than one 12 oz Can of C4 cannot do 1.5Kg TNT worth of equivalent damage.
What I'm saying is according only to the article on ZH (as I have not read the original source either) Dabiq says their mujahadin who were sifting through the wreckage on the ground found the passports of passengers they labeled "crusaders" i.e. enemies of islam. Crusaders was not a reference to IS or their affiliates but rather their enemies (perhaps Russian gov officials etc). The way they phrase the excerpt from the article also makes it sound as though they planted a bomb rather than carry one on and as I said earlier they are usually prone to making a big deal out of people who carry out their suicide missions. Also I seem to remember ZH had a clip of a plane blowing up that was alleged to have been taken by IS from the ground and if it were the same plane then they must have had an idea of the where and when or had a way to remote detonate. As far as the can, I bet one could be enough. Keep in mind that whichever tyler put up this article, also referred to the pineapple soda as a beer when clearly it is not, so that being the case I checked other news sources and found the claim was that the device was equal to 1kg of TNT http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/egypt-plane-crash-bomb-jet-... I'm not sure if that makes a difference or not.
Yeah it does because it brings it closer to the One Pineapple Soda Can TheoryTM.
I am pretty sure that one pound could be enough (One kilogram is 2.2 lbs.) as the Bomb which took out Pan Am 103 fit inside of a medium sized Transistor Radio.
And that bomb was in the unpressurized cargo stowage beneath the Cabin on PanAm 103 also.
Aircraft are just large Aluminum skinned Metal Balloons, pressurized, and a Pressure Differential of just 2 lbs/sq. inch is more than enough to pop that balloon...or blow apart most structures at ground level.
As to the passports...Perhaps they were Russian Nationals who were targeted rather than Chechyen Rebels. Hell I do not know.
But this shit needs to stop.
And I just do not think that War is the answer for anything.
"Just strip naked and get ready for your pre-flight cavity search." Coming soon to an airport near you.
BTY looks like pineapple soda, a new kind of pineapple grenade?
Did Spongebob make it out okay?
No body cavity will be safe this holiday travel season
Why doesn't the .gov just reinforce the fusalage of airplanes with whatever terraists' passports are made of? Problem solved
Note to TSA: Be suspicious of a passenger carrying a can of soda that looks like it was scavenged from the wreckage of WTC7.
Muslims release all their info on a website in Texas run by a Jew whose father was a high ranking Mossad officer. Right? That's like Hitler releasing all his communications on the Bnai Brith website in New York City.
Anybody who believes this is beyond gullible. Unfortunately, most Americans fall into this category.
Looks like all the hotshot ZH 'analysts' were wrong, when they blamed the plane crash on...
an IDF Missile, ISIS Manpad, Remote-control hijacking of Autopilot. If you'd looked at the facts, you'd have come to the same conclusion as this guy did 2 weeks ago:
- - - - -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-04/us-officials-isis-likely-had-bomb-russian-plane
Thu, 11/05/2015 - 11:31 | 6753839 Kirk2NCC1701
"So close .... the U.S. is saying they'll give anti aircraft hardware to cover their asses because they already did."
I'd argue that they are covering their asses, because they want to redirect from the fact that they got a bomb aboard, probably in the food/drink cart, which comes out as soon as they reach cruising alt.
Reeks of total Inside Job, via Egyptian crypto-jihadists and foreign intelligence assets working at the Terminal.
----
I rest my case, your honor.
p.s. Who gets the most votes on ZH? The one who is proven to be right, or the one with the funniest one-liner? The latter, of course. Kinda says it all, doesn't it? Even on ZH, the infotainment-conditioned 'Mericans prefer having their funnybone tickled, rather than their Frontal Cortex enlightened. Affirmation bias everywhere.
You're right. I noticed I got junked heavily for simply asking a guy here to provide the video he said he watched that showed the damage at the stadium. They all said I was "crazy" to dispute anything going on in Paris. Others said they "were there and felt it" and some had "friends that died" in the attacks. What are chances of that happening here at ZH?
Trying to keep things real and sane around here is getting difficult.
Theres been a huge influx of trolls lately since the Paris attacks. It certainly feels as if there is some kind of active disinfo effort here at ZH, especially cast against anyone doubting the msm/.gov story.
What they can't infiltrate or outright control, they shut down. There are some 'conspiracy' forums down recently... ZH is big enough that it can't be co-opted in entirety. Thats the beauty of the value added by the users and long-time posters. So we get stuck with ineffective trolls (and some are even AI) instead.
Speaking in the third person again, Mr. Shatner? Wow. You are as self important as the real Shatner.
You were not the only one saying that it was a bomb, so chillax.
To be fair there was a lot of questionable "facts" from the official sources from the onset: there was a statement that there were no traces of explosives found, there was a weird gain of plane altitude moments before the crash, there was a report that pilot asked for emergency landing (that one was debunked almost immediately) and so on...
they are using a gold-backed currency. They are terrorists in every sense of the word!
government does'nt scare me
it should.... more IRS agents than FBI agents...
IRS largest terrorist group ever deviced.....
More BS put out by the USSA's pet terrorists. I doubt that they would ever reveal how they REALLY did it, or if indeed they were the responsible parties.
that's muslim beer
Junked for your belief in Satan.
That is a great statement.
Follow the crumbs by the Crumbs.
Disinfo at it's first dis.
"Is that a soda pop can in your pants?"
"No, I'm just glad to see you."
In fairness to the poor folks who were on that plane, they probably experienced a few moments of actual, reality-based terror.
Let's not forget that regardless of who created ISIS, or who is currently behind them, ISIS themselves are profoundly evil people, motivated by a sick political ideology dressed up as a religion.
If I were Russian, I'd be pretty upset that MSM has gone wall to wall with moments of silence and prayers for France but never even bothers to mention the 200+ people that got blown up on this plane.
I'm not Russian and I'm pretty insulted by it.
No WMD, million killed, no wet eye.
So true. hearts go out every night, but they are fussy where they go.
The 224 dead russina passengers didn't get much air time either.
A million or so Vietnamese unmourned also And to no purpose.. Cambodians similar.
Compassion doesnt' stretch very far.
and than demanding why there are no French flags flying over every mosque. Hypocrisy at its best.
Lets not forget the Armenian Genocide and the Holodomor. Both examples of Christians, citizens, killed by their 'legitimate governments'. But I am sure that guns were banned, so at least the people 'felt safe' prior to their doom.
IMO, the candlelight vigil tends to be more about those who host it than those it is purported to memorialize...
Furthermore, had I lost a loved one - 9/11/01 for example, were it my call I'd decline to have him/her memorialized at Ground Zero or next to the Pentagon, but rather with a tombstone at a private plot, etc...
Yaaa, maybe Putin can invade Brighton Beach NYC to protect the Russians there, huh?
The Port of NY would lend itself well to an amphibious invasion force: twin rivers for
flanking action.
Right . And just 9 Frenchmen led to a march in Paris from the world's heads of state. Shameless hypocrisy and jingoism
"If I were Russian, I'd be pretty upset that MSM has gone wall to wall with moments of silence and prayers for France but never even bothers to mention the 200+ people that got blown up on this plane. I'm not Russian and I'm pretty insulted by it."
Could not agree more. In fact...
This w/e we had some family over, and they lamented the Paris attacks of course. When I pointed out that more than twice as many Russians died in a terrorist attack a couple of weeks earlier, and that got sandwiched among other news for a day or two, I waited for the reaction and got: an awkward silence (from these Fox News, O'Reilly and Limbaugh acolytes). Yeah! To get them off the hook of the awkward silence, my wife stepped in and in all sincerity said: "That's because we can relate better to the French people than Russians, or as a destination for US visitors". My jaw dropped with incredulity.
I just check Orlov's site and he addresses this pretty well. He doesn't allow his articles on ZH anymore but I wish he would.
A Most Convenient Massacrehttp://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-most-convenient-massacre.html