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EU's Founding Treaty To Be "Reconsidered", Seeking End To Passport-Free Travel
Between the French (Interior Minister Cazeneuve: "we're face with a new kind of terrorism", and Hungary (PM Orban: "allowing people into our own back yard" who may then commit acts of terrorism was irresponsible), AP reports that the EU's founding treaty with regard to passport-free travel - the so-called Schengen Agreement - is to be reformed. "We want Europe, which has lost too much time on a certain number of questions, to note the urgency and take decisions today," exclaimed Cazeneuve, with Orban adding "the founding treaty is currently an obstacle to this and I believe it needs to be reconsidered." According to Cazeneuve, the reforms will happen by year-end.
AP reports The Schengen Agreement is to be reformed..
- *EU SEEKING CHANGE TO PASSPORT-FREE BORDER AREA RULES, AP SAYS
EU ministers have agreed to carry out more stringent controls at the bloc's external borders, in response to the attacks in Paris last week, says Luxembourg Deputy Prime Minister Etienne Schneider.
Member states must fully apply the rules of the border-free Schengen zone to carry out systematic controls on EU citizens at the bloc's external borders, he says, adding, "It's not an option, it's an obligation."The bloc's internal and justice ministers have also requested a strengthening of the existing Schengen rules, he adds.The move is one of several aimed at "considerably reinforcing our tools in the fight against terrorism," Schneider says.
With The French pushing hard...
- *CAZENEUVE: WE'RE FACED WITH A NEW TYPE OF TERRORISM
- *CAZENEUVE: FRANCE TO KEEP CONTROLS AS LONG AS THREAT REMAINS
- *CAZENEUVE: DRAFT SCHENGEN REFORM PLAN SEEN BY YEAR END
On one hand, “we cannot close Europe,” de Maizière said in an interview on Friday with the Washington Post.
But on the other hand, “we cannot open Europe totally for millions and millions of poor people in the world or even for all of those coming from conflict zones. Impossible,” he stated, calling for a change to the European refugee system.
Berlin intends to slash cash benefits to refugees, providing them with food instead, and engage in a “reunification of families” practice, promising “years” of efforts to those who would like to bring their relatives to Germany after settling there with refugee status.
“The number is too big,” the official said. “It has to be checked.”
And as MTI reports, Hungary's Orban is calling for more aggressive external borders also...
The European Union's founding treaty should be reconsidered, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said after meeting Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski on Friday.
The prime minister said European should face up to the fact that migrants come from areas involved in military conflict with EU members. "We are considered enemies in those countries, and the acts of terror committed in our areas are considered war successes over there", he said, adding that "allowing people into our own back yard" who may then commit acts of terrorism was irresponsible.
The EU should protect its borders, culture, economic interests and its democracy, Orban said.
"The founding treaty is currently an obstacle to this and I believe it needs to be reconsidered," Orban said.
In order to make Europe effective, basic questions need to be reevaluated, he added. It is increasingly obvious that the EU is capable only of responding to crises rather than taking preventive measures. Citing the Paris terror attacks, he said it was only afterwards that European politicians started assigning security its proper role.
Orban said it was the British who first pushed the issue in connection with the EU's founding treaty, and they want to make changes to European regulations that will be impossible without amending them.
In response to a query about whether he considered the Schengen system dead, similarly to the Dublin agreement, he said "Dublin is dead, Schengen is alive". An increasing number of EU countries neglect the Dublin agreement but everybody is trying to uphold Schengen because if it fails then "walls and fences will rise and border controls will be put in place between countries where they have not been used." The possibility of free travel between Schengen members needs to be maintained, and this is only possible if external Schengen borders are protected, he added.
"One should either be a Schengen member and protect its borders or if they do not protect the borders, they should not be a Schengen member," Orban said.
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As we detailed repviously, on The Future of Schengen
The European Union probably will not abandon the Schengen Agreement anytime soon. Despite the criticisms, the treaty has reduced the time and cost of moving goods across Europe because trucks no longer have to wait for hours to cross an international border. It also benefits tourists and people living on border towns, because passports and visas are no longer needed. Finally, the agreement allows countries to save money, because governments no longer need to patrol their land borders.
The Schengen Agreement will probably be reformed before the end of the decade to make it easier for countries to reintroduce border controls. The first step in this direction happened in 2013, when signatory members agreed that border controls could be temporarily reintroduced under extraordinary circumstances (such as a serious threat to national security). But the reform is limited in its scope (border controls can be reintroduced for a maximum of 10 days, and only after consultation with the European Commission) and it explicitly says that a spike in immigration should not, in itself, be considered a threat to internal security.
In the coming years, member states will push to be given more power and discretion when it comes to reintroducing border controls. EU countries in northern Europe will also push for the suspension or even the expulsion of countries along the European Union's external borders that are seen as failing to effectively control their borders. New EU member states will have a hard time entering the Schengen zone, and the resistance from some countries to accept nations like Romania and Bulgaria (which have been in the European Union for almost a decade but are still waiting to join the Schengen area) will become the new normal.
Even without a proper reform of the Schengen Agreement, member states will continue to enhance police controls at train and bus stations and at airports. Several countries already employ sporadic police controls on trains and buses, a practice that is likely to grow. Under pressure from conservative forces, many EU countries (mostly in northern Europe) will also toughen their migration laws to make it harder for immigrants to access welfare benefits.
To a certain extent, the weakening of the Schengen Agreement is linked to the weakening of the free movement of people — one of the key liberties of the European Union. The treaty and the principle of free movement are not the same thing; any EU citizen has the right to transit and remain in any member state regardless of the existence of border controls. But the Schengen Agreement was designed to strengthen the free movement of people and create a Continent without borders. The likely reforms to the Schengen Agreement will hurt this basic principle. Once a basic principle is weakened, the door is open for other freedoms to be similarly affected. The main threat to the European Union is that the weakening of the free movement of people could precede the weakening of the free movement of goods, which would end the European Union in its current form.
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geez all this would not exist if the MIC would fold up shop, take RP's advice and protect ussa soil including border control and deport 10 plus million illegals and allow mericans to appreciate a livable wage.
that said, my wish/think REALize meter is flashing BULLSHIT, HAha...
no cog dis here. ha again with a lol...
Good. Lets all go back to original currencies, or split this forsaken currency union in half and be done with it.
The Saker has been remarkably correct in predicting this outcome
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Saker-trenches-emerging-multipolar/dp/16...
Soo... After Lambasting and Attacking Hungary & Orban for his "Protective Fence", EU Now considering doing same... Appologies???
These people have way too much time on their hands
Let's hope it stays that way. As long as they collect their exorbitant tax free salaries while doing nothing, the longer we will be free.
Problem, reaction, solution. Who knows what kind of centralized monstrosity would emerge from the rewriting of the treaty? The globalists created the problem in order to form a more perfect centralized authority as the masses cry for the government to DO SOMETHING!
Out of chaos, order.
You definitely have that backwards :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
My faith is the world's only empirically-valid religion. Disorder proceeds, always and by natural law, from attempts to impose order, proportional to the attempts's use of coercion.
Actually, our local church schismed again last week. We are now the Indepenent Contrarian Dissident Discordians of the 4th Eastern Synod
This link is linked by the fact that the same mind wrote it as above. You know it must be good.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/ghandis-terrorists/
The overlords would sooner kill a couple of billion before allowing less globalization.
Thank a Muslim everytime you get your asshole probed at the airport.
Any ideology that spawns violence on this level should be shut down.
Haus, any idea where Ghordius has been post Paris attack??
he has alot of crow to eat. nice guy but always was a bit off base in connecting dots.
No idea.
I don't think this is one of his "I am not posting because the EUR might very well unravel" like his absence in June -- I just think the guy has a lot going on.
I personally think he works for the EU.
I always had that feeling when I read his posts.
He is just way too vested in it.
If my suspicion is correct then he is probably quite busy right now. Meeting after meeting and strategy session after strategy session.
"end to free travel" for MONEY OUT OF CHINA TOO!
>China breaks up $64 billion underground banking network<How ya goona buy a million dollar crack shack in LA if all you can get out of China is $50k a year?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-breaks-64-billion-underground-090315...
Centrals planners know that "all stimulus is fungible"...
The timing could not be "better". Americans, you should be aware of what your paid (paid for?) "representatives" are about to do to you, should you owe the big Uncle S taxes (or, should you be accused of owing taxes...or anything along these lines I would imagine):
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-may-soon-have-power-to-take-passport...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-pay-your-taxes-or-lose-your-passpo...
If this is not one of the most unconstitutional acts ever, I'll eat my shoe.
In the hands of the White Housenigger, the power to take your passport will be a VERY useful weapon to unleash on 'extremist conservatives'. Kind of like what the UK does now to Americans who speak out. Wont be long now until calling the White Housenigger's bitch a 'wookie' or making fun of Hillary is a passport-losing experience.
"The Power to take" COMES FROM CONGRESS morons. For the most part, ALL Obama can do is SIGN OFF or VETO the shit that CONGRESS puts on his desk!
The blame STARTS WITH THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS for all of the EVIL you stick on Obama.
Not to get stuck on the Blue/Red irrelevancy, but yes, the broader bill was actually put forth by a "R".
How about reverting back to original currencies? That way the PIIGS can solve their unpayable debt problems. But the Vampire Squid will not approve.
CAZENEUVE: WE'RE FACED WITH A NEW TYPE OF TERRORISM
What do you call your bombing Libya into a complete disaster? Bringing Western freedom and democracy?
"What do you call your bombing Libya into a complete disaster? Bringing Western freedom and democracy?"
Yeah, but, but, it's not Hillarys' fault!
Last Dem debate..paraphrasing... "The USA (ME as SecOfState) isn't resposible for creating all of these global conflicts" - Hillary Clinton.
More convenience from these big bad supposed terrorists by allowing these leaders do something they've probably wanted to do for years without much backlash. You'd almost think oh I don't know, the incidents are all set up and the groups are run by western agencies to create the false enemy but that can't be it.
Damn, I wish my enemies or people who don't like me could keep giving me what I want.
order of control: first money system, then liberties, next guns, then complete control craddle to grave. cept for one very large problem, not everyone will comply, but we must travel the road again and dump moar than tea in the ocean...
All animals are created equal, but some animals are "more equal" than others...
same as it ever was...
My heart bleeds.
Controlling borders and keeping out invaders and other undesirables is a key job of a sovereign government. Schengen was incompatible with national sovereignty.
Trucks waiting to clear customs was a cost of doing business. Shipping companies knew this and planned, priced and managed client expectations accordingly.
Your teenager's iThing will be a bit more expensive. Kid will get over it.
So will anyone who isn't a jihadi trying to sneak into Europe in the back of a truck or a trophy wife forced to pay a white woman top dollar to empty Fluffy's litterbox---or worse, do it herself.
This means less freedom. If you believe this would reduce izzlamic terrorism, I've got a US .gov agency to show you (DHS).
No, it does not.
If all the nations took the responsibility for keeping outsiders out then things would work just fine. However many nations do not keep outsiders out and some purposefully invite them in.
This kind of a union is like having roommates. It only takes one druggie asshole roommate who invites strangers in to
get high to screw up a good living arrangement. Especially if those strangers then go into other people's rooms and use or steal stuff.
Am I the only one who thinks that crossing state borders in the US will soon require a passport too?
It will, but only for US citizens. Illegals will still be able to do whatever they please because ... "waysizm"
Dumping Schengen doesn't surprise me at all.
The Single Market Treaty which introduced three major pillars:
1. free movement of goods & services.
2. free movement of capital.
3. free movement of people.
Although many EU member states signed up to No.3 and many citizens enjoy free movement, the British.gov has never liked it and never signed up to it. For Brit.gov, the treaty was only ever about 1. & 2. above and this is why even Brits arriving home from abroad still have to queue up and show their passports. If you challenge them insisting that you are British, they simply reply: "But I don't know you're British until I see your passport. Sir".
Giving Brits free movement was never on the .gov agenda, that was only available to approx 2 million illegal immigrants that live in the UK and nobody knows where they are.
I don't think this will help keep terrorists out, because they are already there! The secret to good terror org is that they don't need to move people around, they find people and prepare them in the place that they live. The majority of people that sign up to join ISIS over social media never leave their home country. DUH! Wake up people! Relaxing travel restrictions would actually be to our advantage, because then these people would be corossing boarders and having to use cell phones etc, thus making them easier to catch. The more we police potential crossing areas, the less likely they are to "come out" and the more cerative they are going to get at finding new members in other ways.
An example of how this works is when the war on drugs became a thing in the US, whta did it do? It created drug cartels that were even more ruthless and expanded the movement of underground drug movement into the US. Decriminalization of drugs in countries has lowered overall abuse rates and drug related crime rates.
The war on poverty, well that one speaks for itself, since the war on poverty was announced non-foriegn americans taking welfare of some sort has increased to close to 50% of the poipulation, and divorce rates and single motherhood has risen greatly.
Since the US declared war on terror the rates of terroist attack throughout the world have never been as high as they are now.
None of these wars had been officially declared before the majority of the Washington Intelligene bureaucracywas established.
Do you see a pattern here?
Vee will your papers, please, if you vish to cross the border.
Remind me again: if we get rid of the border-free idea and soon enough we'll have no need for the shithouse currency, then why do we need any of these EU politicians overseeing rules and regulations that no longer exist?
If you wanted the perfect cover to pull-the-plug on the failed EU experiment what better opportunity than to use "terrorism". This way the Eurocrats don't have to level with their people that the EU is going to be broken up and national currencies will have to be reintroduced.
Restoring national borders seems to be a precursor for restoring national currencies...
I was going to say that the EU have fucked up again but that's not strictly true.
The fuckups are continuous, ther is no break between them, just one BIG fuckup.
It's time the so called politicians of Europe of Europe called it a day and to find proper jobs, something that they might have a chance of succeeding at---perhaps flipping burgers or sweepiing the streets although I wouldn't employ any of them, they would most likely fuck that up as well
controls do not stop people that do not follow laws. simple stuff here. so all this control bullshit does what? freedom, a vanishing human condition of existence, requisite for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. sssshhhh, someone is watching or listening. already, that feeling of snoop dog is present stiffling free think and speak, what next? video in the homes monitoring my next shit? i am curious where the breaking point is? what does it take to wake a sheeple from the slumber of gov creep? too little too late....sad REALity.
Meanwhile in Hungary, nobody was shot, and nothing was blown up.
The intent behind the EU’s founding treaty was to destroy the white European ethnicity of Europe, just as the intent of the 1965 immigration Act was to destroy white America.
The intent of both policies is to break the ethnic power and independence of Western Civilization – considered necessary by the elites to bring about world socialism controlled by their international bankers and business cartels.
Else the Schengen Agreement would have provided for a protective border around the Union itself.
Instead, its sole purpose from the beginning was to knock down ethnic Europe and forge a controllable central government
Europe has an example of its coming fate. Theodore White predicted in his book, America in Search of Itself (1982), that the changes wrought by the 1965 Immigration Act would end up being key contributing factors in ‘What could become a catastrophe—the tide of immigration, legal and illegal, pouring into this country. For the under swell, neither the census nor any other authority can provide fully reliable measurements. One starts with the obvious: The United States has lost one of the cardinal attributes of sovereignty—it no longer controls its own borders....’”
This One World movement’s reach for power not only enlists defamation of the white culture and supports collectivism, it pits minorities against the majority to destroy the West’s ideal of freedom which built Western Civilization’s middle class and her economic miracle.
Forced racial diversity and cash welfare transfers to incoming hordes purposely devastates and impoverishes the host populations.
The modus operandi of this one-world government under Neocommunism is a doctrine of hate – class hatred, race hatred, religious hatred, existing-order hatred. Its strategy is to enlist enough minorities and low income groups in one country to seize power and, ultimately, all productive wealth.
All must go. In its place will be a one-world enduring threat, “an intimidating force which permeates life” –the permanent terror—arising from the use of force unredeemed by law—in an atmosphere of hate.
And why passport free travel??
That is stupid.
Anyone manages to land in the EU and they can go anywhere unchecked.
Better idea is visa free travel.
You can still go anywhere as long as you are a citizen of a country under such agreement.
If I were a president of any country bording Germany I would definitely close the border and begin passport checks.
Same rule for any entry points from Scandinavia.
Additionally and this would certainly piss off all the multiculturalism promoters, I would not honor any EU passport held by a non European (that means a Caucasian for all you fucking retards that think that some Negro born in France is a European).
the "EU Founding document" was an obliteration of sovereignty and submission to Islam and Socialist mob rule, anybody that thinks otherwise just aint looking at the map or tax revenue distributions. or foreign war policy (setting up Caliphs).
the EU is a Caliph, they just don't know it.
Ukraine was is a jihad and we're not on the "Capitalist Freedom Christian team" we're on the jihad Socailsit looter team with Iran and ISIS.
Too late for Europe to wake up and avoid great pain.
It's financial system has been tortured, its debts gargantuan, bankers and bureaurats (yes bureaurats) have a stranglehold over incompetent politicians, austerity bordering on gratuitous torture that yeilds previous little, flooded with refugees, dotted with terrorists, hampered by a generally declining demographic but a promising one for muslims, unemployment, a US overlord that forces them to destroy their interests with Russia, and so on.
Yes, passports are a start but at 5 minutes to 12 there is little time to run a marathon.