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Is The Government Lying?

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Amid the awful situation in Mali, The Pentagon just announced the following:

And this:

  • BREAKING NEWS: About 25 U.S. military personnel were in Bamako at the time of the hotel incident - U.S. defense official.

Which is odd, given the following...

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Tuesday that the U.S. has ruled out putting any American troops on the ground in Mali, but officials are hoping the French will succeed in establishing better security for the West African nation.

So is the government just lying (as usual)?

 

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Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:41 | 6817558 Racer
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Why the question mark?!

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:46 | 6817590 Tom Servo
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maybe they're in a helicopter... or in a humvee, can you honestly say their real actual feet are on the real actual ground?

 

Depends on what your interpretation of "is" is ...

 

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:47 | 6817595 Took Red Pill
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Great article on Global Research about Paris attacks. Another false flag? Put two & two together.

Highlights from article;

-Syrian refugee passport found so quickly

- supposed witness “this is for Syria” immediately immerges

- President Hollande kept repeating in the next several hours what appeared to be his scripted lines already declaring that France was at war against already identified terrorist attackers from Syria before any investigation had even begun

- French authorities knew of an impending terrorist attack being planned by Islamic State jihadists “at a French rock concert” as early as August.

- Turkey also warned the authorities in France twice about one of the three alleged suicide bombers but no response and nothing was done

- Paris attack was described on twitter dated a full two days in advance of the November 13th killings

- Wikipedia running an early story version at 23:06 specifying that French President François Hollande declared a state of emergency and closing of borders. That didn’t happen until 23:58, nearly an hour prior to Hollande’s actual statement

- security forces in Paris were simultaneously undergoing another live action emergency drill earlier that same day as we’ve seen before in other such events like Boston Marathon and 9/11

- two weeks prior to the attack, CIA Director John Brennan met with his French counterpart along with UK’s MI6 former chief and former Israeli national security advisor. On Monday Brennan admitted that the international intelligence community expected a terrorist attack in Europe

- Overwhelming evidence has proven the US-Israeli-Saudi-Turkish connection to ISIS terrorists

- In September Putin outed Obama’s fake war against ISIS at the UN, then actually began destroying ISIS where Obama only pretended

- US-Israel held joint military exercises at the same time and same place that ISIS took down the Russian airliner

- Defense Secretary Carter’s Russia bashing threats followed just hours later a few miles away with the Trident missile’s  LA light show seen around the world as a threat to Russia and China to back off from challenging US Empire’s global hegemony

- Syria now being bombed from French jets as well as Israeli and Saudi warplanes. Timed purposely on the heels of the Paris tragedy and the G-20 meeting in Turkey which has turned into a war council to drum up intensified world war effort against nemesis Assad and Putin. But the Western bombs are making sure that they do not destroy ISIS nor ISIS-controlled oil refineries because they sell the oil to NATO member Turkey. Nor are they attacking the critical ISIS supply line in northern Syria that extends back into Turkey.

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/paris-attacks-another-false-flag-sifting-through-the-evidence/5489695

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:17 | 6817712 LowerSlowerDela...
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NO!!!  You see, they didn't lie.  They are not "us" troops, like Us Magazine, they are United States troops.

"It depends on what the meaning of is is."

Progressives specialize in lying.

Go Hillary!

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:45 | 6817838 Anonymous User
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What were those troops doing in an African country? Here's my guess:

 

http://www.thepornster.com/video/479/african-ho-gets-gangbanged-by-white...

 

 

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:35 | 6818077 Bring the Gold
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Yeah! We need a return to the honesty and transparency of the George W and HW Bush administrations! Bring back Oliver North, Poindexter, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney! We need the honest brokers of those legendarily law abiding administrations! Oh wait maybes it's not about R&D but about Deep State vs a return to rule of law in a Democratic Republic. I don't like Obama or Hiliary, but I get so sick of people on ZH acting like this is all a god damned partisan issue instead of a continuity of government issue. C.O.G. (Or the shadow government) was implented by Bush with Poindexter and North during the Reagan admin.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 16:39 | 6818366 LowerSlowerDela...
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Yeah!  I agree with ya, dude!  Bush was as much a progressive as the rest of them.  Get all of the lying progressives the hell out.

IT'S A GOD DAMN (woo, hoo... I can swear too!) PROGRESSIVE/STATIST PROBLEM.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:52 | 6817619 Croesus
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"Is the Government lying"? 

 

Better question: 

 

WHEN ISN'T the government lying? 

 

 

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:55 | 6817630 cowdiddly
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are their lips moving?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:02 | 6817658 general ambivalent
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I get your trick question. They're lying when moving or not. Their body language tells they just have someone else lying for them at the moment.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:21 | 6817740 froze25
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When they threaten to throw you in jail for not paying taxes.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:44 | 6817834 cheech_wizard
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>for not paying taxes.

Congress is poised to enact a law denying or revoking passports for U.S. citizens who haven’t paid their taxes.

Under a new law expected to take effect in January, the State Department will block Americans with “seriously delinquent” tax debt from receiving new passports and will be allowed to rescind existing passports of people who fall into that category. The list of affected taxpayers will be compiled by the Internal Revenue Service using a threshold of $50,000 of unpaid federal taxes, including penalties and interest, which would be adjusted for inflation.

The rule has been passed in similar versions by both the House of Representatives and the Senate. It is part of a highway-funding bill, H.R. 22

Standard Disclaimer: Just roll the damn guillotines already.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:45 | 6817837 SmittyinLA
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Or an......Osprey

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:50 | 6817607 sam i am
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Guys,

Here is the Saker's OPEN THREAD to discuss Syrian situation, the A321, the Paris Attacks, and Ukraine Please, join the discussion

Share your wisdom

http://thesaker.is/open-thread-to-discuss-syrian-situation-the-a321-the-...

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:27 | 6817767 robertsgt40
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Just another coincidence kinda like FEEMA was in NYC the day before 911.  

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:42 | 6817561 AvoidingTaxation
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It is not possible! The .gov loves us! Stop criticizing the regime!

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:46 | 6817589 Government need...
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And if you do criticize the Emperor, expect some IRS questions, and dont make international travel plans, as you'll need to hand in your passport.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:51 | 6817617 LoneStarHog
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Is The Government Lying?

The paradigm of a rhetorical question.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:42 | 6817562 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:43 | 6817563 Baronneke
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Since when did the Government stop lying ?? It's all they can do.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:43 | 6817566 medium giraffe
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No. No they are not lying at all.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:43 | 6817567 Vuke
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Lying?  Or does the left hand know what the right hand is doing?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:23 | 6817747 froze25
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When a person on the Left Hand knows whats going on with the Right Hand that person gets moved to a completely new project. Compartmentalization is used in the sneaky programs that are illegal to begin with.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:44 | 6817568 Rainman
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Define : " TROOPS ".

Answer : " CIA "

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:44 | 6817574 MrPalladium
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There will be a fairly significant, platoon sized unit, of embassy guards, all U.S. uniformed soldiers

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:45 | 6817581 Government need...
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That's the official story.  Then there will be a number of CIA 'contractors' (mercenaries) in addition to that.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:54 | 6817880 XitSam
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Who should be on alert guarding the embassy, not running around the local mall.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:01 | 6817914 MrPalladium
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A platoon will be 4 squads of 12 soldiers for a total of 48, 24 of which will remain guarding the embassy and 24 of which can go out on patrol. In some African and ME countries there will be company size embassy guard units - 200 soldiers plus support.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 20:03 | 6819786 XitSam
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And when an incident is happening, they should all be securing the embassy.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:44 | 6817575 Government need...
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What's a a few mercs between friends?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:45 | 6817576 silverer
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From my SF friend:  Yes, there were some guys there already.  Not a lot, some.  Numbers we see here are not out of line.  The thing to watch is if they ADD any more.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:44 | 6817577 CHoward
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Leon Panetta ISN'T the defense secretary - hasn't been for a while.  Hmmmmmm

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:15 | 6817701 DavidC
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The date on the linked page is January the 16th 2013.

Come on Tyler(s)! That was bit disingenuous.

DavidC

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 15:15 | 6818783 PTR
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It's long enought for someone to change their mind, though.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:45 | 6817582 Manipulism
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Define Lying

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:49 | 6817583 Your guess is a...
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Is the government's mouth moving? Is our children learning? Is ISIS funded by CIA? Who is funding Sissi? Is Sissi and ISIS learnng?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:49 | 6817603 Doubleguns
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At this point why bother even asking that question. It has become as excepted as the answer to "does this skirt make my butt look big?" Of course not dear. 

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:50 | 6817610 sawman
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As long as they have a pulse and are conscious then the answer isn't even in question.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:53 | 6817612 MadVladtheconquerer
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Lying?  No.  http://www.africom.mil/about-the-command

Small Spec For groups throughout sub-Saharan Africa.

http://www.thenation.com/article/us-carried-out-674-military-operations-...

Just like Saigon, ay Slick!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnyi21tFZOc

Yeah, I raise Hell.  So what?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:51 | 6817615 dobermangang
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Lying or incompetent or both.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:51 | 6817616 rejected
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For those in the land of the free that refuse to see the nazism infecting our nation and the world.... 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/11/u-s-among-3-countries-u-n-officia...

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:52 | 6817618 _ConanTheLibert...
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Does the pope shit in the woods?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:52 | 6817620 Skeeterworborton
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When do we get together and put a stop to it?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:55 | 6817629 MadVladtheconquerer
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In a word:  N. E. V. E. R.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:55 | 6817632 Davilis
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Panetta said that in 2013. This is just bad reporting (and bad screening by ZH).

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:03 | 6817661 Inbetween is pain
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So typical of ZH.  This story shows how you always have to be skeptical of what you read here.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:57 | 6817640 Omega_Man
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Is The Government Lying?

are their lips moving?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 10:59 | 6817645 two hoots
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Much has changed since Panetta. United States Africa Command, (U.S. AFRICOM) is one of six of the U.S. Defense Department's geographic combatant commands, Mali is in the commands AOR.   

Established in 2008 the United States Africa Command, in concert with interagency and international partners, builds defense capabilities, responds to crisis, and deters and defeats transnational threats in order to advance U.S. national interests and promote regional security, stability, and prosperity.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:00 | 6817646 Agent P
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Don't confuse the lingo...."Troops" are those regular schmos, whereas "Special Forces", well, they're special. 

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:00 | 6817651 DosZap
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If their lips are moving they're lying.

Simple.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:00 | 6817652 fast and furious
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Cant be a serious question.....

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:02 | 6817657 BustainMovealota
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Of course they are not lying... give me one good reason why they would?  /sarc

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:06 | 6817668 22winmag
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Depends on your definition of "is"

 

-Slick Willie Clinton

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:08 | 6817673 Crush the cube
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"About 25 U.S. military personnel were in Bamako at the time of the hotel incident"

 

Yeah swell, but were they quartered at the said hotel, let me guess, contract quarters on the seventh floor.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:12 | 6817688 Kprime
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isn't calling someone "special" really a micro aggression?  i.e. he's the special kid from the short bus.  I must protest, get some muscle in here and maybe shoot the reporter.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:25 | 6817756 insanelysane
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.gov is vacilating on whether or not special ops helped out.  If they did help out, how could they scramble to a hotel in Mali but not to a CIA station in Libya?

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:25 | 6817757 Hoi_Polloi
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A better title: "When Isn't the Gov't Lying?"

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:26 | 6817759 Big_Sister_Is_W...
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Because if you want soldiers to a job without calling them Troops or Boots on the ground, you call them SPECIAL FORCES... I am not sure why that is the new rule... Obama made it up so who knows.

Yes I know Even the most SPECIAL of forces are still called troops, "special operations troops"... whatever... and presumably they wear footgear that qualifies as boots...

MINISTRY OF TRUTH!!  DO NOT QUESTION BIG BROTHER (soon to be big sister).

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:39 | 6818096 smacker
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Sometimes also called "advisors" or "trainers".

Anything but what they really are: boots.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 11:35 | 6817793 kingvaclav
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Mali: George Soros and the Crime Syndicate must have a vault they need to loot.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:01 | 6817912 Lmo Mutton
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No Troops

Hollywood Spec Ops

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:12 | 6817975 ArgentDawn
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Last time i checked Panetta hasnt been SecDef since 11

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:14 | 6817986 Your Creator
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They're certainlly not truthing,

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:15 | 6817988 dexter_morgan
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We have 'special forces' in 81 countries, so maybe he just got confused.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:16 | 6817993 patrickhenry61
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The government giving up lying is like Charlie Sheen giving up transexuals.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:37 | 6818083 smacker
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"BREAKING NEWS: About 25 U.S. military personnel were in Bamako at the time of the hotel incident - U.S. defense official."

Were they there to finalise details of the terror attack with its perps?

 

Tyler: "So is the government just lying (as usual)?"

Yes, obviously, .gov always lie.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:49 | 6818137 roadhazard
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Panaetta is not in a position to know anything anymore.  And he's sticking to that story until the next time he is asked.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 12:56 | 6818169 Herdee
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A lot of gold in that country.French want to stay in control and don't want China getting it.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 13:11 | 6818220 COL Jackson
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ZH just a clarification, Panetta is the former SECDEF. 

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 13:56 | 6818467 bid the soldier...
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The point of elections in this democracy is to select the politicians whose lies you enjoy hearing. 

Ronald Reagan is the undisputed champ in that contest.

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 15:23 | 6818817 Gothic Optimism
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If you like your body bags you can keep your body bags.

 

Fri, 11/20/2015 - 15:39 | 6818875 dizzyfingers
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Deep Gov doesn't inform the other gov (shall we call it shallow gov?) which therefore is in the inferior position to know anything important.

If you were in a position to act in a situation in which your training and tools would likely insure a good outcome, would you want others to be able to steal your thunder, since it was you that risked your life?

I thought not!

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