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No Joke! The Onion Predicted All Of This Back In 2003
Submitted by Carey Wedler via TheAntiMedia.org,
“George W. Bush may think that a war against Iraq is the solution to our problems, but the reality is, it will only serve to create far more,” read a 2003 article on The Onion a week after then-President George Bush launched the Iraq War. While a wide variety of organizations and individuals also rebuked that invasion, the satirical newspaper offered one of the most accurate assessments to date. So accurate, in fact, it all but predicted the rise of the Islamic State.
In the mock-debate piece, entitled, “This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t,” The Onion highlighted the very real risks of war.
As fictional debater Nathan Eckert warned:
“This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan the flames of hatred even higher. It will not end the threat of weapons of mass destruction; it will make possible their further proliferation. And it will not lay the groundwork for the flourishing of democracy throughout the Mideast; it will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e. U.S.) influence.”
He continued:
“If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S. and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin Ladens will bloom.”
More than a decade into the chronic conflict, the Onion’s projects are eerily—albeit predictably—accurate. By 2006, national security experts were warning the war was inspiring further radicalism. One of the Boston Marathon bombers was radicalized by the Iraq War. The Charlie Hebdo shooters were also radicalized by Western intervention in the Middle East.
As the Guardian pointed out earlier this year, “there was no al-Qaida in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded. And the US has certainly exploited the existence of Isis against other forces in the region as part of a wider drive to maintain Western control.”
The Onion article poked fun at empty rebuttals many proponents of war offered at the time.
“Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there’s trouble looming, and I really don’t sense that right now. We’re in control of this situation, and we know what we’re doing. So stop being so pessimistic,” wrote the fictional opposing debater, Bob Sheffer.
But the United States was not in control—and the pessimism (read: realism) was warranted. The Islamic State has thrived not only because of radical Islam, but because of resentment sparked by American intervention. A recent report by The Nation details interviews the author conducted with imprisoned Islamic State fighters. Journalist Lydia Wilson explained that while most people in the West believe the Islamic State is rooted solely in religion, it has attracted fighters for other reasons:
“They are children of the occupation, many with missing fathers at crucial periods (through jail, death from execution, or fighting in the insurgency), filled with rage against America and their own government. They are not fueled by the idea of an Islamic caliphate without borders; rather, ISIS is the first group since the crushed Al Qaeda to offer these humiliated and enraged young men a way to defend their dignity, family, and tribe,” she wrote.
As Eckert opined in The Onion over 12 years ago:
“Is our arrogance and hubris so great that we actually believe that a U.S. provisional military regime will be welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people? Democracy cannot possibly thrive under coercion. To take over a country and impose one’s own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy. And it is doomed to fail.”
Just as proponents of war today dismiss long-term risks of continued intervention, the fictional Sheffer downplayed any negative consequences:
“No it won’t. It just won’t. None of that will happen,” he replied to Eckert.
“You’re getting worked up over nothing. Everything is going to be fine. So just relax okay? You’re really overreacting.”
This is not the first Onion piece to foreshadow real world events. Earlier this year, a satirical article published on the site predicted the United States would offer weapons to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to placate him following Obama’s progress on the United States’ nuclear deal with Iran.
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LOL!!!!! Yeah, "it's bushes fault"..
What a fucking moron. Red=Blue.
This was predicted in 1913, but it really took off in 1971.
this predicted it too
JEFFERSON'S FAULT!!!!! Jefferson went to WOAR with the Barbary Pirates (Muslims) when they were attacking U.S. merchant ships, capturing them, taking their goods and making their sailors slaves.
If we would have just been nice to them in 1800, telling them how much we love them, and what a fantastic Religion-of-Peace® they have, we would not be having similar problems today...
Praise B 2 Allah
/s
White guys! Just can't trust 'em, eh?
Wait...
Tyler? That avatar...you look look white! Are you a crazy-ass cracker?!
And they were right, the problem is those fuck heads think all the same policies on steroids are fine when implemented by the Fuhrer. They are of the hate Bush at all cost crowd while wiping the jizz of Fuhrer off their collective chins. They are triators.
Damn! WAY to many jingoistic peoples on here chanting USA, USA, down voting "Jefferson's fault," instead of blaming Thomas Jefferson for going to WOAR with the Muslims...
So, woar is not always the fault of the USA?!?!?! Sooooooo confused. Brain hurts...
Well you can push and push and push but I have a saying. Don't fuck with Whitey.
You are kidding right? So if pirates are
attacking merchants' ships the government, whose job is to protect its citizens, should not wipe out the
pirates??
If you believe that then you are very special kind of stupid.
Frankly, I like the way the Russians handled the Somalis that they caught. Set the adrift in the middle of the
ocean in what amounts to a large frying pan.
Yes, kidding. Didn't add the /s as on my first post...
The job of the gov't is to protect their own interest not the citizens. Figured that be blatantly obvious by now.
The taxes and fees from the cargo container is what the gov't loses so it must protect that. The lives not so much.
Today's pirates are wearing suits and working the banking institutions scheming in sums 1000x more than what a cargo container is worth.
By your logic, they should be wiped out yet not only did they receive bailouts and continuing to run amuck and receive special treatment, they are also protected from the citizens!
I bet you also like how the US handled the non-existent prosecution of banking execs post bailout...
The radical Islamization of the Middle East started on the 1970’s; financed by Saudi Arabia. In the 80’s, it spread to Pakistan.
The goal behind radicalism is to fight nationalism. In the third world cases, to fight their independence.
Anyway, these stupidities should not worry you, in my opinion. What should worry you is, it takes 10 calories of fossil fuel energy are put into the system to grow 1 calorie of food.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/10-calories-in-1-calorie-out-the-energy-we-spend-on-food/
Whoa, whoa! Let's stick to a narrow reading of history excluding huge amounts of evidence to the contrary and/or selective amnesia about all kinds of stuff. I mean it's not like Caucasians are the most imperialist race of all time right? I mean it's not like white people, especially English speakers (US/Britain) have been at the helm of more invasions than damn near everyone else combined, right?
Nope. Let's stay on target Muslims bad, US/Israel/Britain gooooood. Also Saudi is OK because they are a staunch ally so we will give them a pass. There definitely isn't any evidence to show that HUMANS of ALL religions and ethnicities are usually very warlike once they become "civilized" controlling for constraints of geography.
Nope, lets stick to a narrative that advances the Warfare/Welfare state agenda and shows a gross ignorance of history or a blind spot for nations/ethnicities/cultures/religions that look like "us". I mean come on when have Europeans ever been imperialistic, bloodthirsty, torture loving, genocidal or enslaving?
Look I'm a white guy, but for fucks sake guys lets be fucking honest about history. Are the Wahabist Muslims especially, and many other Muslims violent? Yes! Is Israel violent? Yes! Is the US violent? Yes! Are Muslims any more or less violent than cultures descended from say the other two Abrahamic religions? NO!
White people aren't to blame for all of history, but neither are Muslims or Jews or anyone else, but by all means selectively pick out your fucking history to further your batshit insane imperialist, race baiting agendas.
It's a human condition thing, not a race/religion thing. Grow up and read ALL of history not just pieces that fit together to form the narrative you want about White people being so grand and Muslims (or Jews or whoever) being the root of ALL evil.
While you're at it do some reading on the fall of the Roman Empire and the dangers of Imperial overreach. Look I got nothing but love for ya'll, but ya'll need to have more respect for the real lessons of history. Much love and peace be with you.
First, agree with your post. Wish we had more posts like yours but, it won’t happen, mainly, for two reasons:
People don’t care about history because history involves researching, reading, and analyzing—discovering it—yourself. History exposes humanity lies and hypocrisies. And that is a no no for our political and economic systems.
Also, researching/reading are very time consuming. And most people don’t have the time thus having to settle understanding the world by the views presented on TV and the newspapers which are narrow, because these are indoctrination tools.
Humans are organic beings. And a very recent one. About 100 thousand years.
Our cognitive—brain— capacity probably started its development 50 thousand years ago. And brain development, compared to fossil record, it’s very thin for us to really understand the brain. Then, when it gets to High Mental Faculties, human interactions become even more dysfunctional and highly manipulative, especially by the ones with high mental faculties.
Second, you wrote: It's a human condition thing, not a race/religion thing.
I think you need to reconsider something here: Religion is not an evolutionary thing. Religion is a human creation thing. However, race, the color of your skin, the size of your hand, and so on are evolutionary things. Humans have NO control on these matter.
But, in bad believes (religion) and in false science (economics) they do, but they won’t, because their world would collapse.
“The human brain remains a piece of stone-age machinery, however you look at it, and no amount of culture can make it otherwise. Genetically speaking we are a finished product, not a prototype. What you see is what you get—there will be no bright utopian future”— The Spirit in the Gene, page 247.
When your world paradeigm is based on Darwinian evolution you can never reach correct conclusions.
"Garbage in, garbage out" as they used to say.
The thought police have done a fine job in schools and generally in all of 'culture'.
Beware the Lamb!!!
Your post is correct in many ways, and wrong in others. It is correct in that it originates from a person who clearly is interesting in learning the truth of things. It's wrong because of some of your conclusions.
It would be more correct to state that the human being has been evolving for a billion years. Ever since life began, the evolution of a sentient species like us was guaranteed. Really, we could trace our origins back to the beginning of the universe, over 13 billion years ago. One of these days we could perhaps trace it back further than that. The laws of physics in this Universe are such that the evolution of intelligence is pre-ordained from the very beginning. But if we zoom in a lot closer and look at more recent history, humanity really began about 3 million years ago, when our predecessors discovered how to control fire. This is not coincidentally when the ice ages (periods of glaciation) began.
Turns out when you burn down a large percentage of the planet's forests, it has a temporary warming effect followed by a long period of glaciation, and then population collapse; a cycle which has repeated itself over and over again many times in history, and which is still continuing today. We didn't just come out of Africa once; genes have flowed in and out of that continent for millions of years.
To say religion is not an evolutionary thing is to miss the mark quite widely. Religion plays a large role in human evolution. Religion is the single most important building block of civilization. Without religion, civilization cannot exist, and would never have existed. Without religion we are primitive hunter/gatherers with a tribal mentality who band together in groups of 150 or less. With religion we can gather together in millions or billions and yes, kill each other in large numbers, because that is human nature. But we are evolving. Religion is evolving right along with us. We have not evolved past the need for religion; we are simply at the late stages and end times of the old religions, and at the beginning of a new one.
One of these days humanity will encounter extraterrestrial beings, and there will be war between us and them. At this time our success or extermination will be determined by the strength and unifying power of our religion(s.) Will we continue to bicker among ourselves and thus allow ourselves to be conquered, enslaved, and/or exterminated? Or will we come together as a species and defeat the outside threat? This will be determined by the strength and quality of our religion.
source: a preponderance of the evidence based on a lifetime of study.
maybe you need to read the histoy of muslim culture if you think 1970 is the start?
I heard a joke the other day: "Whats the difference between a mercenary and a terrorist?"
I forget the punchline.
A criminal mastermind enters ISIS regional HQ. He sees a blackboard behind the front desk
"Mercenary rates: $200/day"
"Terrorist rates: $200/ day + additional charges may apply"
"Whats the deal" he asks, "Why additional charges for terrorism?"
"Well, we have to make a fake passport, and usually there are some drills the attack has to coincide with, and some lines to rehearse. But the first "Allahu Akbar" is free!"
The dronings will continue until terrorism is defeated. OR
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Terrorist is all in your point of view, One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.
Jimmy Brown (US Special Forces - ie: US trained terrorist)
Moral relativism is a cancer
It really isn't.
Let's use WWII as an example. Place Greece.
There was a very active resistance there.
A small group of Greeks attack a restaurant where Germans like to frequent. They kill all the Germans in the restaurant.
Greek version - patriotic freedom fighters
struck a blow against the occupational force.
German version - Greek terrorists murdered innocent German citizens.
You left out the collective punishment, invasion, slavery and general tyranny that the Nazis were specifically renowned for...or is that relative too?
You didn't forget it, there isn't one.
Tyler, you forgot to mention Charlie Hebdo and the Boston bombing were false flags along with Sandy Hook...among others.
The post above quotes the WaPo saying that Joker confessed from his hospital bed, which means the douche who wrote this article is a shill.
As you were...
First Tyler did not write the article.
The article was written by Carey Wedler and published bu the AntiMedia.org
Next the USA is ISIS.
Once you come to that understanding then it makes sense why ISIS does not ever attack Israel.
We set up the Shoe Bomber and got him past security in Europe in order to "Heroically thwart his plot"
The US Government uses PATSIES and pays them to act in order to justify their actions. then blame the actions on the patsy.
It is nothing new.
I mean just who is Lee Harvey Oswald anyway? LBJ's hit man?
No. He was the patsy.
Qui bono?
Not the patsy, that's for sure.
Sometimes, I think Tall Tom is fulla shit. At this moment, I'm wondering...
Are you saying Oswald wasn't a patsy?
If so, right now, you're fulla shit.
It's OK to be fulla shit, and even more OK to have someone call you on it.
It's how we learn.
Reading for comprehension we find that "not the patsy" is the response to "Qui bono?" (who benefits?), not the response to "who was Oswald for $5000, Alex". IOW, the patsy is always set up, and it never ends well for them (unless McVeigh is alive somewhere, sipping drinks with John Doe #2).
It's Ok... it's how we learn
OK, is not the patsy a line in a famous novel, or movie? Sounded to me like logicalman meant something different. If not the patsy means the patsy is never the beneficiary in this case- say so.
Actually, your avatar speaks volumes.
Was it Volcker who coined the phrase "pushing on a string"? It's impossible to stimulate a debt-soaked proletariat with more debt. Hence, NO GROWTH.
Anyway, logicalman doesn't care for my stance on men wearin' leotards and gay-assed aero helmets while obstructing traffic on their titanium and carbon-fiber fuckin' bicycles.
Fuck him!
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I agree with you, but the fact that the entire US Elite is to blame doesn't make it any less Bush's fault. They have what is called "Joint And Several Liability," I'd say.
Yes. Wake me when the sheep actually do something about it. Honestly, considering what the .gov has put some vets through I am a bit surprised that we have not seen a military coup yet. Killing Kennedy sent a very stong message to any future political puppets.
Yep, kill the 'top dog' who was getting too big for his britches, and present the new number one with a lookalike, and say "Say hello to your double!"
why do you think obama fired some of the military's top brass over the last few years?
housecleaning, to get rid of anyone not 100% loyal.
standard operating procedure when a fascist government is taking over.
Unfortunately, much of the "top brass" was so out of control they made it easy for him. Even ace tactition McChrystal couldn't see the land mines before him allowing an embedded Rolling Stone reporter to take him down with his own words. Hubris isn't the worst of it though, not by a long shot - not after you have spent some time listening to Kay Griggs. The "top brass" have a metastisizing cancer running throughout. Think about it, someone signed off on Michael Aquino making Colonel.
So the attacks on the US that came on 9-11, a few short months after Bush came into office and had hardly had time to do a thing, were Bush's fault we were attacked?
So totally delusional PC thinking that is leaves one speechless.
Bush, hiding behind plausible deniability, allowed them to happen. http://thenewsdoctors.com/politico-reports-bush-knew-2001-terror-attack-...
Wait... I though that it was the CIA who flew jets into those buildings then detonated the explosives that brought the buildings down. Are you trying to say that it was Islamic extremists who did 9/11, not the CIA?!?!
You believe what the teevee says? Good little sheep!
http://youtu.be/QphxGBXiA-M
My in-laws believe in Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Fox -- which pisses me off, because they are supposedly educated, informed and have life experience (born in '43).
The only thing that pisses me off more, is that they get to enjoy a rather opulent retirement, while espousing such BS and claptrap. I swear, that generation merely had to fog a mirror and get any degree, while playing the Go-along-to-get-along game, to fall up the corporate ladder.
You guys need to GET OUT MORE INTO the Internet and connect the dots:
Thermite at ground 0 --- WTC Building 7 --- Pentagon "plane" --- Silverstein bought and insured WTC against terorrist attacks just months before 9/11 and gain 4.55 bill $ in insurance
A few documentaries such as Loose Change, Zeitgeist: The Movie, The Century of the Self will help you grasp the big picture.
Tyler & Co definitely have done their homework
Checking out the science has to start alarm bells in your head.
No building of similar design has ever failed due to fire before or since, just the THREE on 9 11.
Both 'Twin Towers' were designed to withstand 707 hits.
Kerosene and air fires are not hot enough to melt steel.
Cell phone calls from aircraft were not an option in 2001
The activty in the stock market concerning the airlines supposedly involved smell real funny.
The goings on in the financial markets are remarkable - suspended rules etc.
It was a heist, in more ways than one and its effects reverberate to this day.
Don't mention the Anthrax scare. Funny how those that it was delivered to were against the invasions in the ME & the Patriat Act & the 2 big 2 fail banks .....
Don't even get me started on Bldg 7.
Would you be happier if they watched a woman with tampon earrings? Last I checked, all LSM spout the corporatist line.
a few short months after Bush came into office
9 months of constant "imminent threat" warnings wasn't enough? Yes, Bush allowed it to happen, either through ineptitude or by design.
ineptisign™
Is anyone on this site really dumb enough to believe the Cheney administration did not know 9/11 was coming?
It was an orchestrated EVENT.
When the Israeli Mossad Agents, "the Dancing Jews", were interviewed on Late Night Israeli Television, they claimed that they were in New York City, on that day, during that Tuesday morning, "TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT".
Now you cannot be anywhere to document anything unless you have FOREKNOWLEDGE that an EVENT is going to happen...
Also note that they were NOT HERE to PREVENT THE ATTACK.
ANYBODY CAN WATCH THAT HERE...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI5wTgEHNok
Since the Israelis, their Intellegence Agency, had FOREKNOWLEDGE, and failed to give ample warning, then they are COMPLICIT in the perpetration of that crime. Thus the actions of the state of Israel was a direct ACT OF WAR against the USA.
If you KNOW that a crime is going to take place, and, if it can be proven that you did not take reasonable action in order to prevent the crime, then American courts would hold you criminally responsible for the crime.
However since the United States did not act then it must be inferred that the Israeli Government informed the United States Government about the imminent threat and sent their agents to document it..
So it becomes apparent that the Bush Administration's State Department was well aware of the impending attack and that Administration CHOSE NOT TO ACT.
For those who REFUSE to WATCH that failure is INTENTIONAL Thus they are as COMPLICIT as the perpetrators of the initial crime on 9-11.
The penalty for MURDER IS DEATH.
So their intentional blindess will lead to that. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
They are no better than the German public at Dachau in 1945.
And hopefully the USA will be transformed into a sea of Nuclear Glass as we have killed hundreds of millions. WE DESERVE IT.
It appears to me that some trolls have shown up to express their deliberately stupidity in that regard.
My studies have indicated that Cheney's role was certainly necessary to enable 9/11 to happen, as well as for the following cover-up regarding what happened.
As is typically the case, the article above appears to rely too much upon Hanlon's Razor when interpreting the blowback.
In my view, the eventual blowback was deliberately designed into the events on 9/11/2001, because those were intended to be a self-fulfilling prophesy, as an intended aspect of the unfolding consequences of 9/11 being an inside job, false flag attack.
An article from The Onion accurately predicting the future seems like the traditional role of the Court Jester being the only one allows to state the truth.
However, in my view, NOBODY can fully comprehend what it means that the most psychotic psychopaths have ended up controlling civilization. While it possible to understand how and why that happened, it is NOT possible to fully imagine where that tragic trajectory is headed.
It is possible to understand how and why controlling civilization through applications of the methods of organized crime became extremely successful. However, it is NOT possible to fully predict the degree to which that excessive success has become runaway criminal insanities. The most reasonable interpretation seems to me to be that the ruling classes are planning and preparing to mass murder the majority of the population, while there are no practical ways to either prevent nor effectively prepare for that.
Theoretically speaking, the only realistic resolutions to the real problems would require the development of better death control systems. However, the actually existing systems were selected to become based on the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, to the degree to which it is now politically impossible for anything better to happen that runaway death insanities ...
Most of the "debates" are between the professional hypocrites operating the core systems of organized crime, and the professional hypocrites in the controlled opposition groups that surround that core of organized crime.
The combined money/murder systems have become based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, within which context 9/11 was the most spectacular symbol so far, since it was deliberately designed to enable what has actually happened since then. In my view, conditions are being deliberately driven to deteriorate to the degree to which it will become possible to switch gears to start using weapons of mass destruction, in order to mass murder hundreds of millions, if not billions of people.
Furthermore, after one faces the deeper reasons for how and why those are the currently existing situations, and their tremendously tragic trajectory, then the only realistic resolutions to the real problems would have to be the development of better death controls. However, the best chances of that perhaps happening appear to be only after the runaway death insanities have already happened, since, at the present time, there are no feasible, politically possible, ways to stop the most psychotic psychopaths from being able to continue control what civilization actually does.
There are no publicly significant groups other than those which operate the core of organized crime, or their controlled opposition. In my view, therefore, it is mainly from those sources that we will read any articles or comments published on Zero Hedge. While there are a few that point out some of the layers of more radical truths regarding how and why the history of successful warfare based upon deceits and treacheries has become too excessively successful, and so, is running amok, there is practically nobody who promotes any better death control systems, because there is hardly anyone who is not some degree of professional hypocrite, operating within the context of the basic sociopolitical systems being nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, who both stay within the same basic frame of reference of mostly taking for granted various layers of deceits and frauds.
"there is practically nobody who promotes any better death control systems, because there is hardly anyone who is not some degree of professional hypocrite, operating within the context of the basic sociopolitical systems being nothing but organized crime"
Fear and selfishness combined make the above possible, plus or minus a few other unsavory traits, which we all have displayed at one time or another.
There are very few who will do anything to overcome their failings as it were as success in the group of demented peers seems to be more important than the state of ones soul.
Yes, that "success in the group of demented peers" tends to be the most overwhelming factor to keep social habits going, no matter how morbid those thereby become!
It seems that the preferred death control systems are those which are not as easily perceived. So rather than depopulation through megatonnage nuclear systems, it seems environmental degradation is the preferred system.
Our govenments are working tirelessly to defeat disease (tainted vaccines), increase food production (Monsanto et al), battle global warming (Carbon reduction, geoengineering), etc...How could we sheep ever rebel against those who battle so hard for the good of humanity?
After years of reading RM's and other gifted posters best solutions to this mess, I have to admit that there is absolutely no hope whatsoever of pulling back from this abyss. Over the course of human history every possible system devisable by the mind of man has been tried, and failed because of the nature of mankind. That's the lesson of our age, that the best system ever attempted to control the leaders (US Declaration of Independence, Constitution, founding precepts), is an epic fail.
That only leaves Devine Intervention.
Beware the Lamb!!!
I previously worked in government for many years and apparent stupidity was often used as a mask for corruption, People would inevitably talk and someone would ultimately say "nah, he's too dumb to pull that off".
You have to remember GWB was just daddy's boy in the WH. Who is Obama's daddy?
Bush's government (including himself) was warned on several occassions by European intelligence agencies that attacks involving landmark sites in NY and DC were planned around the 10th-11th of September 2001.
Stox
It's not just whether 9/11 could/should have been prevented.
- aren't you avoiding/ignoring Bush/Cheney's response (to invade Iraq, push the 'Patriot Act', establish DHS/NSA, torture prisoners etc.?)
All of which Obama has continued and expanded.
Oh chit. It's Friday night and the proper response would be a War and Peace answer I'm not prepared to make.
1) I am no fan of Bush - Cheney. Don't ask me to defend them.
2) Anyone with any sense of the history of this ought to recognize and stipulate in any discussions that jihad is 1400 years old and what we are seeing is but a brief moment in time. And one of the more minor skirmishes to boot.
3) We had an attack on the World Trade Center garage bombing ... what, was it 10 years before 9-11?
4) Whatever Bush - Cheney did or didn't do are so minor in the course of the 1400 year history of this it becomes comical that anyone would apply so much weight to it.
5) There are 3 books that guide Muslims, one of which is the Koran. The Koran is divided into two sections: first, the teachings from Mecca before the aggression teachings, and the second was the teachings from Medina, which was extraordinarily aggressive. He attracted only 150 followers in Mecca, but took over the Saudi peninsula using war and jihad from Medina. The growth of Islam came as a direct result of Jihad from the beginning.
6) This is in fact a trading oriented site. Be aware that Muslims took over and dominated the entire Med area by ending the trade on which all govt depended by controlling the seas. Expect an attack on trade in ways more than the symbolic attack on the World Trade Center.
7) War is being waged. Appeasement never works in war. We can't empathy them to death. Finding reasons to excuse away the aggression is idiocy.
8) None of which is any defense of any particular response we have or have not made to the aggressions against us.
stox
your supposed "1400 yr history"
ignores the past several hundred tears of western colonialism and neo-colonialism.
Your "muslims" took over ignores that most muslims today (as most "christians")
are only nominal ones, far from being zealots.
The "war on terror" is a lie.
Stopping "terrorism" is a lie.
How can anyone ignore the convenient exception given by the US & co. its own terror from drones to torture to surveillance?
The US & co. have done far more destruction, terrorism, and killing to foster extremist hatreds in the ME than have the jihadists ever done to the West,
and despite what western MSM narcissistically portrays.
And you also mistakenly dismiss how the US/West has aggressed to maintain the petrodollar financial racket; about full spectrum dominance to prevent the rise of any potential adversary; about warfare profits, pipelines, and oil; about controlling resources or else denying use to others; about the hubris of empire and expansion.
ISIS/AlQaeda were originally created to serve the goals of the western empire ...and still very much do despite any superficial appearances otherwise.
Stop accepting the big lie and suggesting how to best accomplish a delusion
as if it were true.
The problem is no more about stopping "terrorism" than it is stopping "surprise attacks". or "brutality", or "savagery".
Try to see the problem for what it is, and its basic cause.
It is NOT muslim jihadism, but aggressive US empire-building expansionism,
from the ME to Ukraine, to Latin America and Asia.
The real threat to you is NOT muslim zealotry, but a warfare/police state
run by self-serving plutocrats.
This isn't complicated.
If they, whoever they are, are coming after me to kill me and mine, they need to be stopped. Stopped easily, or stopped hard becomes their choice.
And anyone who helps them.
If they don't like the response to their threat, let them stop the threats and attacks, and there will be no response.
When they are coming after me, I am not too curious at all about whether their mothers loved them, what they think about my diet choices regarding pork, or what their grandfather had to say about some 18th century or 15th century injustice. It is their own actions they are accountable for, and by any measure of common sense SHOULD be held accountable for.
It isn't up to me to come up with excuses for their choices. It is up to them to make their choices.
I'll let the Youtube philosophers debate underlying root causes.
Apparently, no one has free will except Bush - Cheney. Not even Obama or Clinton, or any of the rest of us. Since none of us have free will, I keep waiting for the email from Bush - Cheney telling me whether to go short or long the market, but I guess they lost my email address. In fact, I am awaiting their instructions on what to post next. Since I have not received it, I'll stop here.
"This isn't complicated."
Because you're a simpleton, with simple thoughts.
"When they are coming after me,"
You need to quit watching so much Fox News.
"I'll let the Youtube philosophers debate underlying root causes. "
Because you're a simpleton.
On the theme of the article, and many of the responses (re 911, Patriot act, NSA, etc.) here's another Onion article from back in 2003 that's uncomfortably close to what's actually happened
http://www.theonion.com/article/terrifying-bill-passed-during-nba-playof...
The elite who devises these plans never has to pay for it. Their riches remain intact or are increased, their children don't die on the battlefield or come back crippled mentally and physically.
The elites think they can destroy a country and then they'll be welcomed with open arms as saviours. It worked in Germany but never anywhere afterwards. The elites are too removed, too isolated, and too insensitive to understand that there could be a different outcome to what they imagine in their delusional state.
Think before you bomb? No, destroy first.
I believe "The Onion" was originally associated with Discordianism, the only empirically-validated religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
As Hollywood glitterati go Scientologist, the foresighted of the world tend Discordian. I myself am part of the Dissident Discordian schism of the 4th Synod.
We need more religion like a hole in the head. You seem to have yours.
"We sure are bringing about word unity, because nothing unites the rest of the world better than the hatred of us."
- Robert Newman
WTF,now we're down to "the onion",the peoples magazine of the brainless hipster lefties? here one of their in depth commentary on current events...http://www.theonion.com/video/scientists-find-strong-link-between-male-v...
Well it is well known that the Bush's backed Stalin, Hilter, The Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler, Mao, Idi Amin Dada, etc it is never the fault of the actors...it is always the Bush Invisible hand.
The current mess couldn't be that Hillary and Obama handed over large areas of land without government to terroritists and then supplied the same terrorists to dislodge Assad...and it is blowing up...could it?
It's a multi-millennial plan by some really evil fucks. This is just one chapter.
Humor brings insight and tolerance. Irony, however, brings a deeper and less friendly understanding.
Deep, man. Pass the bong.
Ah yes, tolerance... the cudgel of the pathologically intolerant.
I blame their mothers...
I blame their Bruce Jenner type mothers...
I blame the internet.
Come on guys, we can't possibly expect 16 intelligence agencies with giant budgets to figure out that blowing people up may inadvertently piss them off and make them go on the offensive. Do you expect them to be psychic or something? Oversights happen, this is why we have to spend more money to prevent this in the future. This time we will bomb them before they magnify!
Use of the word 'intelligence' in 'intelligence agencies' is analogous to using the word 'affordable' in "Affordable Care Act"; apparently both work only in the ironic sense.
Or Patriot in the Patriot Act
We are living in a "looking glass" world. We must all run faster just to stay in the same place.
Damn, are you Obungles' teleprompter writer?
At least Carter is no longer on the bottom when it comes to the worst American President.
i gave you green BUT.....you assume that these "president" are freely elected and that there is no behind the scenes fuckery going on....which i believe there is.
i'm not convinced our presidents arent following a script given to them by SPECTER.
Arlen Specter? Are you saying the script is being ghost-written?
Obama will always be on the bottom. It's actually his preference. Just ask Reggie
That was just a canard that gained substance among some folks because the cost of the neo-cons warmongering came home to roost on Carter's watch.
Oh ya, and because Carter listened to the Pentagon who said you don't need to over-logistic military action in the Middle East environment. Something the Pentagon now derides the Russian Air Force for not understanding.
Carter happened to be more moral than most men, and men being men, when faced with a more moral example of themselves they will try to tear that example down.
At least Carter is no longer on the bottom when it comes to the worst American President.
That honor still belongs to Woodrow Wilson.
As bad as our idiot-in-chief is, Wilson laid out the framework for everything first - he's the real pioneer of nation burning. Supported lower taxes with lipservice while creating the psuedo-legal basis for an income tax, created the fed, executed the most deadly false flag in American history (deliberate sinking of the Lusitania to involve the US in WW1). Best part is that he identified with progressivism to sucker idiot Americans too!
Carter may have been a pussy and an idiot but he was no Wilson, Obama, or Lincoln.
Sorry...
That dishonor is only deserved by the man who preserved (destroyed) the voluntary Union of States...Abe Lincoln.
Of course we could chart the failure to the abolishment of the Articles of Confederation with the enactment of the US Constitution...but who caused the most deaths and suffering percentagewise is Dishonest Abe.
Perhaps closely followed by LBJ?
Yeah but not even The Onion could not have predicted full-retard, open borders idiocy:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/sweden-opened-its-doors-to-muslim-immigration-today-its-the-rape-capital-of-the-west-japan-didnt/
That's bollocks.
Turn the other cheek and they cut the cheek off at the neck. Attack / counter-attack and it fans the flames?
I've seen nothing intelligent about ending this mess. They have been attacking non-Muslims for several thousand years and in that time nothing has stopped it.
Christians never attacked non Christians, huh?
Go back to watching Fox, dummy.
www.loonwatch.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
OK genius, exactly what does Mali have to do with anything related to the US or European "persecution" of Muslims? Answer = nothing.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/how-israel-protects-it...
And that is related to Mali how? Answer = it isn't
Sorry: http://youtu.be/QphxGBXiA-M
How do you explain the Islamic occupation of India during which an estimated 80 million Indians were slaughtered?
By the way, Bush and Chaney would not be born for hundreds of years. And there was no Zionist movement then. So you can't blame it on any of that tripe. Find another.
Since Mohammed was born some 1500 years ago, I don't get your "for several thousand years". Prior to him, everyone was a non-Muslim, although I've heard some debate even that.
OK, if you want to get technical about it, he was born 1445 years ago.
We both were rounding to different degrees, and both did so incorrectly.
Not that it makes any difference at all in the point.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/context-context-context/
People who have very simple mental representations tend to hyperbolate. You should upgrade your concepts, as it will reduce the strain on your language generator units.
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-iraq-war-coverup-what-did-aipac-do-and...
CIA Owned?
Everybody should read Zbigniew Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard." Yes, it takes a strong stomach. It's a short book, which is good, because one should only read a few pages in a session. Like anything written by the Marquis de Sade, it's so evil and disgusting that decent people have to put their decency aside to get through it, and it's dangerous to do that for very long at any one time.
Long story short, US policy in the Middle East is not a failure in any way. It's actually going very well, and perhaps a bit ahead of schedule.
Yes, it's very evil.
And Gen. Wes Clark speaking of 7 countries going down in 5 years...guess what part of the world?
Tgc should be read. And so should the story of PNAC
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
And the Oded Yonon plan
http://www.monabaker.com/pMachine/more.php?id=A2298_0_1_0_M
You're right. But Russia, China and Iran also read that book.
What a great post this is, from "The Onion"! Not quite what I expect from that source, but what a pleasant surprise. The second paragraph in italics is well worth passing on to other forums; and I will begin doing that immediately.
http://barlowscayman.blogspot.com/2015/09/europes-refugee-problem.html
Carefull what you ask for, Europe, because you just might get it. You always wanted feckless, apologetic American leadership . . .highly credentialled, academically inclined, metrosexual, lacking physical presence. Well . . .now you have it. Sorry about the million refugees invading and all them terrorists with euro passports. Wasn't my idea.
Millions of Europeans already saw this coming before the US and Britain invaded Iraq. Hundreds of thousands went out on the streets to protest the war.
Not to be Debbie Downer but we are going to war, big war. There isn't enough awareness to stop this Juggernaut. How it will be initiated is hard to say, these attacks wouldn't be enough but obviously it's nowhere near over.
Wouldn't it suck if a Franz Ferdinand incident went down in the US? The fervor caused by an incident like that would be unstoppable. Something is going to happen.
Okay then, who would be our Franz Ferdinand? Doesn't matter who catches the bullet; one half of the country will celebrate.
Good point. They think they can unite the country with an external threat, but the divisions are too deep this time and it will me more like the Civil War era than World War II.
Except this time it won't be simply one geographical region against another. By scattering refugees and illegal invaders all throughout the states, there will be no "front lines". Incivility will seem ubiquitous; few areas will be unaffected.
I am not saying this in a predictive sense whatsoever and it is unlikely but just for the sake of throwing possibilities around... wouldn't it be something if it was Barry.
"Okay then, who would be our Franz Ferdinand?"
A celebrity. Ex., Beyonce + Jay Z.z
And not only are we going to big war but it will be a war that lasts decades. I was reminded of this today when I accompanied my kids to movie day at their elementary school. The movie was called "Max". My 1st grader told me that it was a movie about a dog that helps people. I thought, OK, no biggie. Boy was I wrong. The movie is a full-out propaganda piece about the war in the ME. "Max" is a german shepherd bomb-sniffing dog. I sat there in awe as the movie began and Max saved a Marine patrol from a bad, bad brown guy in a turban. I looked around the room at the children who were sitting there with their eyes wide open and mouths agape, smiling and cheering as machine gun fire erupted. I heard things like, "That's Afghanistan! We're kicking butt there!" and, "I played this level on Call Of Duty!!".
The public school system is openly brainwashing kids as young as 1st grade (kindergarteners had to be accompanied by a parent at least, but 1st grade and older requires no parental presence) to be cannon fodder in the upcoming, never-ending WW III.
I grabbed my kids and ran the fuck out of there as fast as I could, while I received confused looks from the teachers in the auditorium. I was the ONLY parent who removed their kids from the room. Actually, I was only one of two parents in attendance because all of the other parents are slaving away in the matrix to pay for everything while their children are brainwashed right under their noses. Fucking disgusting. I genuinely felt nauseus and I'm surprised I didn't puke into the bushes when we got outside.
I'll be looking into home-schooling this weekend.
The WHY and where it's going...
“Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle Easthttp://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...
+100
http://theantimedia.org/isis-israel-iraq-and-syria-its-all-part-of-the-p...
There were reasons why Bush 41 stopped at the Kuwait - Iraq border in 1991. Now you all see why.
The 2003 fiasco I lay most of the blame on the doorstep of Darth Cheney.
Wasn't Donny Boy Rumsfeld a protege of Allen Dulles, the psychopath who arranged to have Kennedy murdered after Kennedy tried to fire him?
Yep, Kennedy vs the CIA + Mafia (strange how the two are for all intents and purposes identical), it was either them or him.
2003, that's nothing, the Dark Lord himself predicted this back in 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Wow, he had his lines memorized well.
"I mean, I'm trying to watch f'ing Lost Boys."
It's easy to predict things that are the objectives of things planned in advance. People seem to forget that everything that has been done was planned and the obvious outcomes were known. They wanted some permanent boogeyman to replace the Cold War, and when that didn't materialize they created one out of thin air, ISIS. And just for good measure, because they know their plans are shitty and usually fail, they decided to create a back up plan of starting an actual new Cold War (2.0).
They must be clowns, because the "leaders" are a fucking joke.
It was not 'out of thin air'. The Israelis have been running an anti-Moslem psyop campaign ever since Israel was founded by zionists terrorist campaigns. From that beginning, Israel has had to dehumanize Palestinians, it was needed to allow their anti-human actions then and subsequently. Killing 400 children using weapons like phosphorous rounds isn't quite the scale of running Auschwitz, but gaining, and well along on the concept.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/mechanisms-of-dissolution/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/ghandis-terrorists/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/18/you-who-allow-yourselves-t...
SHMEHITA
That's "Shemitah" Duder.
You say "shemitah" - - - I say "shmehita - - - Let's call the whole thing off.
(. . . or was it tomatos?)
That theory was a failure even when given a generous amount of time to prove itself. That big collapse and rally that we had can't really be considered a true collapse, it would have been nice if predicting corruption would have been that simple though.
The Onion has had it right on many fronts for quite a while:
http://www.theonion.com/article/nation-ready-to-be-lied-to-about-economy...
Thank the Anti-media.org site for hitting it out of the ball park.
They are an excellent altermedia site that does not bow to MSM PRESTITUTION.
I have always loved onion soup; of central paris cooking.
A moveable feast.
FP' I too have come to respect them. Never heard of them before ZH. But their articles have been very good.
i think the people running the onion should be running our government instaed of the people in there now.
and the people running "El Jueves" in spain also.
They are!
YES YES YES
Revelations 22:21, Whosoever holdeth Gold in the name of righteousness shall joineth unto the Lord in casting thine "Bankers of Satan" from thoust "Den of Iniquity" to a lake of fire, hitherto fueled by thine own worthless paper, where they shall burn for eternity!
The uniformly "too good" for military service American Elite-classes are the progenitors of rising world-wide anti-Americanism. Few of them ever experience what life is like even for the majority of Americans. None of them know the first thing about nation-building as evinced from America's precipitous fall towards becoming a Banana Republic. Peace begets prosperity but they believe that war begets prosperity. None of them have ever experienced what it is like serving in uniform overseas even in peacetime. They've certainly never seen the death and destruction of combat. They have no concept of the hatred generated amongst the surviving population in the opponent's homeland. They've never served with combat veterans still dealing with years ago physical or psychic combat trauma. They know for a fact that their children won't be at risk in combat because their children never serve in the military. They have a world view uncluttered by reality. Other people may suffer or die but they never pay any price for their mistakes.
The third world war is to be played out by stirring up hatred of the Muslim world for the purposes of playing the Islamic world and the political zionists off against one another. Whilst this is going on, the remaining nations would be forced to fight themselves into a state of mental, physical, spiritual and economic exhaustion. ~Albert Pike
Yeah, unfortunately for that line of argument Daesh has a number of fighters from Europe, including some from the states with most generous social policies.
lOOK
What we need to focus on now, is to keep it/HILLARY away from all farm animals. If not, we risk that it will conceive. If it does, what ever she scoops out will be big, MASSIVE, and she will likely crawl inside and be eligible to run a 3rd and 4th term.
The republican party has already made dibs on it.
Not a Bush fan, I think the War in Iraq was a big mistake, but how about blaming the Islamic jihadists that actually do this shit rather than stupid "blame Bush" bullshit.
I blame both.
Now that the blame is fixed... how do we fix the problem?
Apparently the Plan is to empathy them to death.
Way too easy.
If there isn't a tin foil hat, New World Order, Zionist conspiracy, Military Industrial Complex, Chaney-Bush meme to go after, then what's the point of any thread?
Teh Bush legacy is .......still runnning a candidate
Jeb!
Whose "good" with mass Muslim immigration BTW
All those freedom loving Mid Easterns with "kids named George"
The Bush legacy has their choice of several candidates for sale... Rubio, Fiorina and even Ted Cruz.
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
The Onion?
Maybe once a decade is enough.