
Give me liberty, or give me death!
– Partrick Henry, American Founding Father, 1775
They value their civil liberties more than they value life. I disagree with that. You want to be free and dead? I’d rather be not free and alive
– Billionaire Hillary Clinton donor Haim Saban, 2015
Just in case you’re wondering what the people bankrolling Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign think about civil liberties, you now have your answer.
Here’s what billionaire Haim Saban had to say about civil liberties during an interview with The Wrap:
What are people in Hollywood saying about the Paris terror attacks?
Many members of the Hollywood community are very liberal and they value their civil liberties more than they value life. I disagree with that. You want to be free and dead? I’d rather be not free and alive. The reality is that certain things that are unacceptable in times of peace — such as profiling, listening in on anyone and everybody who looks suspicious, or interviewing Muslims in a more intense way than interviewing Christian refugees — is all acceptable [during war]. Why? Because we value life more than our civil liberties and it’s temporary until the problem goes away. But to say this is shameful — I disagree.
[ISIS] said, ‘We’re going to Paris,’ and they went to Paris. They’re saying they’re now going to Washington. Watch out, they might. I’m not suggesting we put Muslims through some kind of a torture room to get them to admit that they are or they’re not terrorists. But I am saying we should have more scrutiny.
Yes, because it’s so liberal to push a false Orwellian choice between freedom and safety. The entire concept of civilization and liberty revolves around the belief individuals never have to make such a sacrifice Indeed, America never would have been founded in the first place had the colonists accepted Saban’s infantile logic.
How does this guy sound any different from George W. Bush or Dick Cheney? The answer is he doesn’t, which makes perfect sense because Hillary Clinton is a dyed in the wool neocon. Always has been always will be. Meanwhile, The Wrap highlighted just how important Haim Saban is to Hillary…
TheWrap spoke to Saban about his support for the Democratic presidential frontrunner — he and and his wife, Cheryl, gave $2 million to Priorities USA Action, Clinton’s Super PAC, and hosted a fundraiser in May that netted another $2 million.
In case you forget, I’ve highlighted Saban in the past. Recall the following from the post, Inside the Mind of an Oligarch – Sheldon Adelson Proclaims “I Don’t Like Journalism”:
At the conference, which also featured top Democratic funder Haim Saban, Adelson also said Israel would not be able to survive as a democracy: “So Israel won’t be a democratic state, so what?” he asked Saban, adding that democracy, after all, is not mentioned in the Torah,and recommended that the country build a “big wall” to protect itself, saying, “I would put up a big wall around my property.”
Saban and Adelson should buy The New York Times together in an effort to bring more “balance” to the newspaper’s coverage of Israel and the Middle East, Adelson suggested to wild applause. Adelson already owns Israel Hayom, a free Israeli newspaper widely seen as reflecting the positions of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is considered close to Adelson, and, more recently, news website NRG and religious newspaper Makor Rishon.
Haim Saban, a media mogul and close Democratic ally of Hillary Rodham Clinton, criticized President Obama’s outreach to Iran, declaring that “we’ve shown too many carrots and a very small stick.”
Still, Saban said that he thinks Clinton would repair the relationship and that he has told her he would spend “whatever it takes” to propel her into the White House. That includes giving millions of dollars to Priorities USA, a super PAC that helped Obama in 2012 and is revving up to aid Clinton in 2016.
But hey…



The foundersdid not have to contend with Zionist Jewish oligarchs and lobbies hijacking the government.
But the second amendment was a decent hedge.
When Haim says he's got your back, do not take your eyes off him.
"Saban was born to a Jewish family in Alexandria, Egypt, in 1944. In 1956, the Saban family immigrated to Israel along with most of the Egyptian Jewish community.[2] Saban was sent to a Youth Aliyah boarding school. Expelled for being a troublemaker, he enrolled in a night school where the principal told him: “You’re not cut out for academic studies; you’re cut out for making money.” [4]
"Saban, a long-time supporter and donor of many pro-Jewish and Israel causes, has stated his main goal in multiple interviews: "I'm a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel."[38]
fucking Jews are just diabolical!
They must be stopped.
ya those japs are horrible man
cough cough
Mr. Saban. Those who would deny freedom to others, do not deserve it for themselves.
I agree with that sentiment alaric
i just cant stand bashing isreal here...they have a right to exist, just like we do...but a LOT of people here blame everything wrong in the world on jews, i am not a jew, and not saban so you can dispense with the hasbra bs
As I sit and enjoy a recently poured glass of Buffalo Bayou's Pumpkin Spice Latte Stout (I only suggest trying it if you are curious, other than that, save your money and get something more reliable), I am happy to know that I can smile and laugh at the idiocy within the supposed supremecies of our societies.
These fucking mark-ass niggas; I swear!
It's nice to fantasize about the "founding fathers", but the reality is, I'll salute the next Hitler before I ever bow to joo filth like this.
If he shakes your hand, be sure to count your fingers afterwards.
4 fingers = You been shalomed, bitch!
Easy solution, put them in prison. Now they are safe and alive.
Yeah, I never understood these people that would puke up a "plea deal" to get life in prison, instead of the death penalty.
Lethal injection would seem to me, the only decent choice.
I’d rather be not free and alive
Howsa bout.....you be dead and we be free.
I normally refrain from such but his article touched a nerve so here goes:
Hillary Clinton is the front man for a number of lose, wealthy, high minded idealist bent on taming and controlling the world. “Democrat” has nothing to do with it as it is only the easy, useful, constructed expedient. “IF” elected we will see the biggest shift/separation of classes (2) the world has ever known. The Clinton’s are the only ones capable/devious enough to pull off their collegial coup. Their resumes are proof enough. This article is the typical mindset to help condition us. But ultimately it is really about the Clinton ego and power, even wealthy are played.
Assisting: President Obama (a tool, but not a welcome member of the above) is in the process of blending our nation to help diminish any/all vestiges of his perceived old struggling supremacy. I believe he has a personal deep hatred and disgust for it and is doing all he can to equalize it at any cost (to America) before his tenure is finished. It is worth noticing the silence of the usual suspects in the current racial protest/demonstrations, as Obama knows it only hardens his foes. Combined with the above (Hillary Clinton) it provides a weakened and dependent people.
I can’t articulate my thoughts on this cleary enough but do believe that truth is firmly in the above.
stick it up ur azz nazi and i hate liberals more than i hate u...
For years I've been saying Hitler was right all along. Think about who controls this world across a broad set of spectrums including YOUR MONEY? Why did Germany hyperinflate and explode? Where did Amscher Rothschild start the very first sucking bank? Regardless of the fact you aren't a Jew, ANYONE who neglects their eyes and mind enough to cover them in so much sand that they can't see the real picture is a fucking idiot who deserves what they get from the Zionist pigs.
why should you, or anyone else, have to do either? why would you want to? I wouldn't ever salute either one of those things. This clinton donor presents a false choice - that you must choose your life or your freedom. All you are really doing is surrendering real freedom for the illusion of safety. The government cannot guarantee you that you won't be killed by a 'terrorist' no matter how many powers you grant them. Even if you turn the entire country into a giant open air prison, it won't matter. Even in the highly regimented, highly controlled prison environment, people are murdered, and raped, all the time. If they can't prevent people from being murdered in prison, how will they prevent it in the rest of the country? they can't.
"The government cannot guarantee you that you won't be killed by a 'terrorist' no matter how many powers you grant them."
Especially when government is the terrorist!
@Gaius,
James Callis is Jewish by the way. And so most likely just another lib-tard actor with his head up his ass like nearly all the rest. Time for a new avatar? ;-)
Phuc Dem Ghoats.
Then Bar-be-cue them.
And, thanks to ZeroHedge, I now know that this is really heard as "phoop dam gutts"
He doesn't care about freedom until we make him wear a yellow star again.
ho ho ho and ha ha ha, lol too.
(Christmas Edition 2015)
Not 'jews' per se but Likudnik Zionists... Basically 'ultra nationalists.'
Plenty of moderate, liberal and libertarian Jews have pushed back against the Likud/Shas agenda.
And from Pappe to Sand to Finkelstein to Friedman to Blumenthal to Atzmon to many others - a lot of the people challenging the Zionist narrative (religious, mythological, or political) are Jewish.
this: http://youtu.be/6O5zgXeCynQ
Still gives me chills.
Excellent article here that looks mathmatically at the technology of creamatoriums in Germany in WW2, the 6 million number just doesn't pass basic math.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p219_Buchner.html
@ Fightingthe Fed: "fucking Jews are just diabolical! They must be stopped."
FYI... http://www.nkusa.org/
Hopefully this will expand your intellect, if not your primal urges.
thanks that is a f@cking eye opener
I think its important to make the zionist distinction. Saying jews is like saying those black people. But it would seem a higher percentage of jews subscribe to zionist doctrine than black folk subscribe to thug life, that's for sure.
"I'm a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel"
..and why doesn't he live in Israel?
Hmm, since you don't feel the need to be free, let's confiscate all yer Munny, just so you'll get the full effect of no freedom!
Prior to tge 20th century there were tight immigration laws specifically aimed at the Sabans and fellow tribesmen. After the Russian "revolution" the floodgates were opened and the Khazars have been invading ever since.
As usual with these fucktards they want what America offers so long as someone else pays
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
"The foundersdid not have to contend with Zionist Jewish oligarchs and lobbies hijacking the government."
Perhaps this accounts for the freedoms we were afforded by the founders, and the system of America first.
Now that Zionism has taken power, the entire American project is becoming a thrid rate third reich!
Well, they say Hamilton...oh, never mind ;-)
Hamilton was, he would fit right in with the dual citizen traitors we have on Wall St today.
yes, he was one of the earlist proponents of the central bank. He was also on the statist side of the negative vs postive rights debate. Also, if a certain action wasn't specifially prohibited by the constitution, then it was allowed.
Somebody hasn't done a very good job of reading their history. The Constitution WAS the document that hijacked the government from the people who formed this country under the Articles of Confederation. And the Founding Fathers(TM) who crafted it? Backed by Jews and the English monarchy. Ever hear of the Rothschilds? Wake the fuck up, put your gun down, get your hand out of your pants, pick up some books, and educate yourself, before you diddly wreck yourself, and the rest of us along with you.
Reading List:
There's more, if anyone can finish that before their "show" comes on.
Eager Beaver. I have to say your reading list is an eye opener. Please expound on "theres more".
First, to those few who refuse to wake up, and would rather down vote my comments than educate themselves, let's see what your almighty Founding Fathers(TM) had to say about you:
"The first function of the founders of nations, after the founding itself, is to devise a set of true falsehoods about origins - a mythology - that will make it desirable for nationals to continue to live under common authority, and, indeed, make it impossible for them to entertain contrary thoughts" - Forrest McDonald (E Pluribus Unum)
@Flash44, there is a mountain of historical evidence that clearly shows a political battle raged AFTER the revolutionary war was fought. Let's look at who and what the enemy is:
Here's some more from those with an ounce of brains:
Madison was a Traitor, not a Father. He was against a republican form of government, as he says:
"Where a majority are united by a common sentiment, and have an opportunity, the rights of the minor party become insecure. In a republican government the majority, if united, have always an opportunity. The only remedy is to enlarge the sphere and thereby divide the community into so great a number of interests and parties that, in the first place, a majority will not be likely, at the same moment, to have a common interest separate from that of the whole, or of the minority; and, in the second place, that, in case they should have such an interest, they may not be so apt to unite in the pursuit of it" - (Elliot's Debates, Volume 5)
Then, after successfully cramming the Constitution down the country's throat, Madison brags about the confusion they had sewn:
"One anti-federalist opinion tell us that the proposed constitution ought to be rejected because it is not a confederation of the States, but a government over individuals. Another admits that it ought to be a government over individuals to a certain extent but by no means to extent proposed. A third does not object to a government over individuals but to the want of a bill of rights. A fourth concurs in the absolute necessity of a bill of rights but contends that it ought to be declaratory, not for the personal rights of individuals, but of the rights reserved to the States in their political capacity. A fifth is of the opinion that a bill of rights of any sort would be superfluous and misplaced and that the plan would be unexceptional except for the fatal power of regulating the times and place of elections."
Look at what goes on in these comments, here and everywhere. Even those of us who support living freely are so divided that we're unable to prevent what these motherfuckers are serving up. You lot, those who are holding out hope for a revolution so you can run out with your guns and go to war agains the evil Zionists have already lost, there is no war coming, it is already on, has been for thousands of years; THEY ARE ALREADY AT WAR WITH YOU, and if you don't wake up, you will have already lost by the time the next shooting starts.
These materials cover the period around the American Revolution, but it gets worse, and goes much deeper, and much further back in history. The lie is so big, so broad, and so deep, that even those who think they can handle the truth, probably can't fathom it. You'll need to go back to the Pharaoh's of Egypt, because that's where this story starts, and it involes Christianity, Islam, and the Jews. Three heads of the same ugly beast. I fear most people aren't going to be able to go there because it violates too much of their core belief system, cognitive dissonance will kick in long before most make it to the point of understanding.
I'm so tired of hearing this Patriot-tard mythology spewed into articles and comments. It's ridiculous to use Patrick Henry's quote, while writing your blog as though the almighty Consitution is anything other than the document that has not just allowed our present situation, but facilitated it. It's a mind virus that people are infected with, this mythology.
The original founders, those who agitated against the Crown, those who had formed a government under the Articles of Confederation with unanimous consent of the citizenry, watched in horror as the Constitution was paraded around by Hamilton, Madison, Jay, Morris, and the other Federalists. What did they have to say while these traitors attempted to overthrow the government?
"It is insisted, indeed, that this constitution must be received, be it ever so imperfect. But remember, when the people once part with power, they can seldom or never resume it again but by force. Many instances can be produced in which the people have voluntarily increased the powers of their rulers; but few, if any, in which rulers have willingly abridged their authority" - "Brutus" (Essay 1, 18 October 1787)
"That investigation into the nature and construction of the new constitution, which the conspirators have so long and zealously struggled against, has, notwithstanding their partial success, so far taken place as to ascertain the enormity of their criminality. That system which was pompously displayed as the perfection of government, proves upon examination to be the most odious system of tyranny that was ever projected, a many headed hydra of despotism, whose complicated and various evils would be infinitely more oppressive and afflictive than the scourge of any tyrant" - "Centinel" (Essay 12, 23 January 1788)
"Consider what you are about to do before you part with this Government. Take longer time in reckoning things: Revolutions like this have happened in almost every country in Europe: Similar examples are...ancient Greece and ancient Rome: Instances of the people losing their liberty by their own carelessness and the ambition of a few" - Patrick Henry (Speech of 5 June 1778)
"Does it not insult your judgment to tell you, Adopt first, and then amend?...Is your rage for novelty so great, that you are first to sign and seal, and then retract?...agree to bind yourself hand and foot - for the sake of what? of being unbound?...to go into a dungeon - for what? To get out? Is there no danger, when you go in, that the bolts of federal authority shall shut you in?" - Patrick Henry (Speech to the Virginia ratifying assembly 1788)
"I look upon the Constitution as the most fatal plan that could be possibly be conceived to enslave a free people" - Patrick Henry (Same speech as above, 1788)
There is so much more! Just peruse any of the books mentioned, you'll get plenty of leads from the footnotes these authors have provided; investigate for yourself, don't take their or my words as anything but a lead, think critically, come to your own conclusions. It would appear that there is no end to the rabbit hole.
I know, TL;DR. Fuck it, what's on tonight?
Yes they did, but were smart enough not to give them the reigns of power like our ignorant imbicilc masses....
Shameful...this is the kind of guy who would let someone else fight for his rights...or perhaps he intends to buy his rights....the rich do get better treatment I hear.
Pharasaical satanists...they control the west
You know Haim, I see a compromise possible here. My vision is for We The People to retain our God-given liberties and to remain a free Republic, while you are dead.
I have a dream....
Haim is the kind of guy who attacked the USS Liberty. With friends like that....
Gotta admit he's got a scary sounding name. Bursting into a room while wielding an AK and shouting "I am Haim Sabam!" sounds more impressive than "Hey dudes, I'm Mark Zuckerberg".
Bursting in and saying "I am Groot!" is cooler still.
It’s over ….
Just another, common, ordinary, everyday American passenger in the Hillary! Scooby Van.
I'm confused nmewn. I'm christian, so it's okay to chop my head off.
Just how many levels judaism exist?
When you can snatch the printer from my hand, Grasshopper....
Is that George Clooney shaking greasy palms with Hitlery?
Oh Brother, where art thou shekels?
that was funny. Who art thou that understands criticisms?
Or Chinee critizenisms.
Beats me but Christians & Jews appear to be de rigueur of choice these days.
Just keep your head bowed & shut up, apparently...lol.
I hope we're given the opportunity to meet in person, " some day" nmewn.
A good man you are.
There isn't a contested racist bone in your body. I've tested you, and we think alike. :-]
It's not because we live in a free radical state, is it?
Free John[Jon] Corzine.
Why Hitlery is going to be president instead of being in jail:
07/06/2015 Steve Lipman Staff WriterHillary Clinton, the frontrunner in the race for the Democratic Party’s 2016 nomination for President, today called for a bipartisan campaign against the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, and criticized “attempts to compare Israel to South African apartheid.”
In a letter to Haim Saban, a Los Angeles businessman and major Democratic Party donor, Clinton expressed “alarm” over the BDS movement, and wrote that “we need to make countering BDS a priority. From Congress and state legislatures to boardrooms and classrooms, we need to engage all people of good faith, regardless of their political persuasions or their views on policy specifics, in explaining why the BDS campaign is counterproductive to the pursuit of peace.””
Report: Soros, Saban Give Total Of $3 Million To Clinton Campaign 07/06/2015 JTAJewish billionaires George Soros and Haim Saban reportedly have donated a total of $3 million to the presidential campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
translation: its better to live on your knees than die on your feet.
Easily said by someone who intends never to do either one.
Perhaps it's time to tell this guy where my lines in the sand are?
Nope...bad tactic. Keep him guessing.
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Benjamin Franklin characterized this choice even better:
And that is that which I believe, too.
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The Clash :
When they kick at your front doorHow you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting on death row
Dude looks like he ate a really rotten clam...
LOL, the American dream has been dead for a long time thanks progressive shits!
ohhh it the joooooooos, you know those damn japs are crazy...
you could not make up some the crap i read in the peanut gallery here...just awwwwwsome....hitlery cankles and burnt sanders really? the demoncrap base is illiterate with single digit IQ's
This Zionist piece of shit Saban needs to spend a few years in Guantanamo or Abu Graib - then he can tell us how great it is to be alive and live under an Orwellian wicked State under bondage. This cocksucker needs to be strung up by his balls -after the billions he stoled by his fraud and deceit are taken away from him. Does he have any daughters" send them over to work in the service of ISIS. If sexual servitude and slavery is okay for young Syrian and Iraqi women - it's good enough for his daughters. Scumbags and neocons like Saban have created and promoted ISIS. Let him and his daughters enjoy the freedom ISIS has brought to Syria.
*** FOOD AND BEVERAGE WARNING ***
If you want to despise Hillary even more, even if you thought that wasn't possible, look carefully at this from Wiki, especially the "Political..." section.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Saban
I don't know whether to be more surprised that Pelosi supports a majority rule framework or that Clinton donors doubt HRC's ability to drive this political machinery to its final destination.
There will be blood. People like Saban will likely be the last to bleed, but it will come.
whats the point of being alive if you dont own yourself?
Give me liberty or give me death?
ha
How about leave me the fuck alone or ill beat the living shit out of you?
That works for me.
I agree with hm.
Sorry folks. Happy to argue the point but bottom line, I agree
Overwhelming majority agree with him.
They might not agree in words but they certainly agree on the actions.
Most are barking dogs that don't bite.
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
It's a good quote.
Where's the argument?
LOL - You don't deserve one spotty.
That's what your government thinks about you.
If you can feel somehow superior to someone you've never met on a blog spot, how must the whitehouse view some dickhead like you ranting like a lunatic on a web site.
You're utterly powerless to do anything other than think your vote is worth something and that you and your magical ferries will be alright.
The reality is your beholden to whatever they do and can do nothing about it. Have faith in other humans - you need to cause they've got your balls between their fingers
How far has America fallen? Even top grads in our various science programs at top reserach universities like Berkeley can't find jobs. This is absolutely scandalous, that employers would rather hire foreigners on the alphabet soup of visas available, than give proper consideration to our best and brightest domestic grads.
What has happened to the Silicon Valley is an utter scandal, with most tech workers not even being paid well enough to afford to live there over the long term.
TOP grads don't have trouble finding work, the other 95% do.
Actually top grads have huge difficulties finding work. Not sure where you've been over the past decade or two.
What you are saying is not true at all.
It just isn't .
The TOP grads ARE getting work. The others are not.
You won't be able to cite a source to support your false claim. What is true is the majority of grads are out of luck and the competition in the top is tough.
But the BEST do get work.
No the top grads are finding their resumes are hopelessly lost amongst the pile of qualified applicants. There is no willingness of the employers to pay them appropriately or even consider their applications. The employers are generally hell-bent on hiring foreigners on the H-1B visa and low-ball the few domestic hires they make. I personally know a large number of top grads who can't even get the 'time of day' from employers who claim to be hiring, simply because the employers aren't interested in top talent.
Your comments are completely out of touch with reality. Lower-end grads are actually doing better than the upper-end and have been for a while. Maybe its their lower expectations or lower cost or the mix of roles they're looking at, but it has not been good times for top grads for a long time now. Especially in the occupations the tech sector typically hires for.
The reality is that science coming out of this country sucks.
Foreigners are being employed in some jobs. You make it sound like no one gets a job and that's bullshit.
The top 5% of grads get work with the exception of some but most do.
Your whining with not a single statistic.
Bring the stats you so proudly claim to know about all the horrible employers turning all Americans away but hiring only foreigners.
Give me a statistic or its just hogwash mate, plain and simple.
You don't seem to get it. The top 5% (or even 25%) of grads are not finding work. And that's a big problem. Employers are aiming at the bottom (ie: cheap), or are hiring H-1B's and other foreign nationals instead.
If you were involved with the sector, and saw its recruiting practices, you'd see this quite plainly. An incredible amount of high spec talent is falling through the cracks simply because managements of these firms are obsessed with hiring at the lowest cost, and are innundated with applicants on account of the glut created through H-1B usage.
As for stats, if you look at the number of H-1B's brought into technical occupations, it has exceeded, by a significant margin, all net job creation in the sector. Meaning that, for the past 12-14 years or so, more hires have been on the H-1B visa, rather than being new US citizen grads. Losing a technology job these days without a new one to go to immediately is pretty much the kiss of death. This is pretty well documented all around the Internet. And new grads are finding their resumes simply ignored as the employers are 'demanding' 5-10 years of 'experience' even for entry-level roles.
So please spare the claims of 'hogwash'. The stats don't lie. The low salaries on offer don't lie. US tech talent has been seriously oppressed since the turn of the century.,
Buddy, it's just your word. Not a single statistic.
And I did google it and find some actual statistics - more than you did.
And sorry to break your stride but a family member is in human resources of an exceptionally large engineering company.
Can't find qualified candidates in America - true. The educational standards here are exceptionally poor versus those overseas.
The top universities here produce excellent candidates but only about 3% of those needed for the jobs - I.e. The other universities here are producing candidates that do not hold a candle to foreigners.
America has a lot of graduates but they are bad graduates. Just look at what it takes to be a qualified teacher here versus one in Germany. And your telling me THEY are the problem? Lol.
the USA s producing junk students with only your top graduates being competitive with international option so.
Ummm, there is no shortage of qualified people in the US. The employers throw most applications out without even considering them in good faith. Before staffing their workplaces up with foreign nationals on the H-1B. This is why large numbers of top grads go underemployed/underemployed.
You are obviously quite disconnected with the industry if you actually believe the propoganda that's out there. So much top talent is going unutilized it is crazy. There's nothing wrong with American graduates. They just need to be given a chance and hired at competitive rates.
The rest of your nonsense is just propoganda and lies spread by HR types who are upset they can't hire a top-tier engineer at $50k/year or whatever pittance they want to pay these days so their own excessive compensation can be justified.
If you want statistics, all you need to compare is the number of H-1B visas issued over the past 15 years to the actual job creation particularly in technology-related occupations.
Berkeley is a top research university???
In areas like computer science, math, etc., they're a pretty well respected university (a good chunk of what we now know as modern Unix was invented there). And they're within an hours drive of what is supposed to be one of the most R&D-intensive labour markets in the nation. Yet go look at their published stats. They can't even substantiate much more than 1/3rd of their science grads finding post-graduation employment. There was even a UCB Math grad a couple years ago who reported only being able to find employment as a Starbucks Barista. Imagine that, graduating from one of the most competitive programs in the nation only to be relegated to employment at Starbucks serving coffees. The whole situation is barf-worthy. Meanwhile over a million foreign nationals on H-1B visas have been brought in by employers who simply want to reduce their labour costs to the detriment of trained and qualified US talent.
A coward dies a thousand deaths. Enslaved and alive is for degenerate wimps. Instead of us fearing them; let them fear us.
Can they sleep, if they cannot trust us? You owe them nothing, but a knife.
Yes, because clearly those are our only two choices, LOL.........
I actually prefer to pee in the Lobster Bisque.
No liberty is death.
For those who seem to be lacking a real education in history, at no time since the inception of civilization have you been freer than now.
90% of the comments on here not but two centuries ago would have had your head off, and anyone with such a website as a news source would have been torn between two horses.
Whining bastards. Get off your playstations and learn history instead of whining someone read your fucking mail and knows you like your wife's best friend.
There is more to Liberty than eating, drinking, fucking and buying shit, dumbass......
For gods sake no there isn't !!
What's a playstation? Is it like the Enigma machine? What website 200 years ago would have been acceptable to the Madison administration? How many bubbles on a bar of soap in Mystic, CT?
Please explain how a computer matrix that sifts rou trillions of emails has destroyed your freedom exactly?
Is this the same computer you want to investigate and ensure bankers aren't doing shady deals?
I'd like to point out that you are freer now to be an irrelevant troll than at anytime since the Madison administration.
I love being irrelevant.
So many Americans think it is vital they are more relevant than the other 7 billion. Being a nobody is one of the most free experiences you can have, yes?
My opinion and rants will change nothing, and yet I carry on.
All the while knowing.
Might as well, you're getting paid for it.
While the law and the intent were much stricter a century ago, governments lacked the ability to follow through on their surveillance wet-dreams as recently as 1990. So yes, public comments in a public place would have led to many, many trials a century ago. But private comments to friends in the face-to-face equivalent of Facebook would have passed completely under the radar. The inability to track such things was the constant frustration of security forces when I was a college intern at the CIA. I only got the job because it was impossible for the investigators who checked up for my security clearance to even find out who knew me well enough to interview in the three months they had to report.
Do remember that even Aaron Burr was aquitted of treason. In America, the constitutional standard for conviction was quite high until the WWI passage of the Espionage Act. Prosecution under that Act after 1920 has been so selective that a good case could be made for it having lost the status of "law" by its obviously irregular enforcement. Given that many of its provisions are clearly unconstitutional, it seems likely that administrations have been chary of getting caught with a case that goes to the Supreme Court and permanently removes the option.
Good point.
Really the bottom line is "in humans we trust", and if that human thinks differently than you do on issues it does matter if they hold power over you.
A difficult situation to manage.
You are correct, however, your logic is very incomplete as it fails to realize that thresholds change as we advance. If you want to look at a tire and celebrate "the wheel" as a new invention in 2015, you are welcome to do so but............
What good is free speech if nobody can hear you? Now, with the Internet the "little people" have an actual voice that can be heard all over the globe. Are you recommending we lose the right to free speech simply because what we say can actually be read/heard this time around?
Lastly, most gripes revolve around unfair/unnecessary/staged wars, a ridiculously rigged finacial system as well as lying and "planted" politicians who change nothing. What are people supposed to do? Start a cheerleading team to encourage the continuation of these scams?
Hillary's a Pimp providing favours for Johns.
Thank god foreign money doesn't influence our elections. Heaven forbid we'd get leaders with questionable loyalty to the US.
LMAO. This country has become a farce. A complete and total farce.
his cause is hopeless. he will die a broken old fart. the muzzies will win in the end.
Haim Saban?
Sounds like another tribal who should be added to the list.
Of course these people are rich enough to buy security. They value THEIR lives, but no one else's outside of their families (if even that). How disgusting. No wonder the entire course of history has been a series of events trying to purge the planet of scum like him.
Haim Saban is an Israeli and his avowed #1 priority is the protection of Israel. He is nonetheless the Clintons' NUMBER ONE POLITICAL DONOR. That alone should put all of them in jail, but of course, treason is not culpable if you commit it to support Israel, as we have seen on innumerable occasions.
If Hillary becomes the next President we will continue to throw blood and treasure down the Middle Eastern rathole for another decade. The same goes for Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, Fiorina, JEB, and Huckabee. The only candidates who might manage to say "no" to the Israel Lobby are Trump (isn't looking to Donors to pad his retirement) and Sanders (no-one can accuse a Jew of Anti-Semitism).
Haim Saban hasn't lived in Israel in 40 years. He wants money and influence in the United States. The Israel advocacy is a best the product of a guilty conscience.
At worst, it's an insurance policy, a way to help ensure Mother Israel will take him back if power in DC falls into the hands of American patriots and he has to flee American justice when it insists he answer for aiding and abetting the Clintons and other enemies of the United States.
Answers on a postcard please:
1. When did Saban serve in the IDF?
2. How many Amalekites did he kill?
3. How many more is he prepared to kill to keep Israel safe?
4. Does that include Huma Abedin?
5. If Hillary tried to stop Huma from being put down, would Saban be prepared to kill them both?
Trump? That's your choice, seriously? You are aware trump has absolutely no intention to be president, I mean you do know this is a game to him, right?
Trump wouldn't be my first choice if there was actually another choice to make. He gets 80% of my respect. His nearest competitor rings in at about 2%. Neocons are in the negative range.
Haim Saban is a useful idiot of the Clinton faction in the Democratic Party, who maintain the pretense of interest in Israel's welfare only to keep JINOs with guilty consciences (like Saban) funding their campaigns and turning out for Democrats at the polls.
His top choice for POTUS is the fuck buddy of Huma Abedin, for God's sake!
You can't be talking about the Whore of Babylon, aka the Bitch of Bengazi, are you?
Some define freedom as having a bomb and blowing kids up and whoever else.
Some would say Freedom is killing your neighbor and taking all his shit and no police to stop you.
Other think Freedom is a guy and deciding they Dont like school children and blowing them away.
And that my friends would be freedom? Do whatever you want?. How much do you want it because the more freer you let humans be, you get something back...it's called human nature.
We have police for a reason and we have laws for a reason. Not because you are free but because you are human.
Limit resources, shut down jobs, shut down the economy, turn the water off and stop the food trucks and you'll see what total freedom looks like.
You've never been free so stop complaining you ever were. Your illusions of freedom are as great as your illusions as to what humans are.
Of course this doesn't apply to anyone on this website because you all think your shit smells like roses, that you're the best candidate to rule over everyone with your insistence on your ideas of freedoms.
But the reality is deep down you wish you had the power to stop this politician or that one, to stop this law but to enforce that one. You want the power to be able to say what government and bankers can and can not do.
And therein lay the problem, freedom ON YOUR TERMs because you're always so fucking right and everyone else who tried to govern are just fucking wrong.
Learn to compromise or learn to be marginalized and pulverized.
Individuals who come to ZH and start preaching and talking down to us don't do very well here. Truth is, nobody gives a shit what you think, but, you look like you might provide hours of entertainment watching you dig yourself in deeper.
Deeper into what exactly?
Having "thumbs up" on this web site would be quite a bad sign. I'm here for a debate if someone here actually has a position on anything based in reality.
If my comment felt like it was directed at you, I am sorry you did something to justify your own conclusion it was all about you.
another pedantic, chode-smoking, noob
Come on, my response was Witty...
Maybe he should watch Hunger Games. The overall message is to die for liberty. Only the rich is given freedom.
Hunger games, that's the reality you live in?
Do you think it is a good idea for everyone being given the right to vote?
If 70% of the population had an IQ level equivalent to a moron, would you be comfortable with their choice?
It may be better if only property owners voted.
Voters must have some skin in the game or economy.
I was just asking a hypothetical, curious to see if equal rights are important to most or if ideal outcomes were paramount.
Just curious.
Equal rights will put us all in tar paper shacks with corrugated metal roofing - no matter how productive you may be and how lazy some others may be. But we will be lucky if we get our daily bowl of rice.
It seems like you are wholly unfamiliar with libertarian thinking.
I'd say that if you were on the public dole, you are not qualified to vote yourself a bigger slice of the pie.
Hillary should be barred from taking any importatant office.
Lock her up in a room with Bill, a case of liquor and a gun to see who ends up dead first.
Bet ya Hillary is still alive.
Out of the current list of very poor choices either GOP or Democrat who would you go with?
Hulk Hogan or maybe Jackie Muthefving Gleason..
Hillary and that Ham Sandwich should be in a database.
That bet won't be taken here. How can the Whore of Babylon lose?
Give Me Convenience or Give Me Deathhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_Me_Convenience_or_Give_Me_Death
there is bad shit happening in the woods right now.
Guess the religon and background ?
Haim Saban (/s??b??n/; Hebrew: ???? ???; Arabic: ????? ????; born October 15, 1944) is an Israeli and American media proprietor, investor, philanthropist, musician, record, film & television producer.[2] An accomplished businessman primarily involved with business interests pertaining to financial services, entertainment, and media, and an estimated net worth of $3 billion, he is ranked by Forbes as the 143rd richest person in
"I’m not suggesting we put Muslims through some kind of a torture room ..."
Ah the "But"
I'm not sayin we won't get our hair mussed.
(Dr. Strangelove)
Oh, just imagine the slime trails left by that pair on the nice hotel carpet. BTW, Trump is worth about three times more than this greaseball.
Hillary won't have any trouble beating an elderly joo communist Zagnut bar, but then she will be facing Trump.
Hillary will be squashed like a bug by a guy who can spend millions out of pocket change to dig up the dirt.
Haim comes from a nasty little warmongering tribe of Khazars and Ashkenazis who converted to the Talmud after Russia and the rest of their neighbors forced them to. Haim loves money, bribery, blackmail. His sort have never founded a country based on decent values, sound money. His sort hate the Constitution, although it allows him to live in the USA, while he loves genocidal zionism in Israhell.
Haim should be given a one way ticket to Israhell instead of being allowed to blackmail or bribe politicians in the USA, and upset the American people who are clearly his betters.
He resents, despises and wants to wreck anyone's 'life, liberty and pursuit of happiness' under the Constitution because he is a thug. He is a billionaire through crime and nepotism.
Haim is a lowlife thug, typical of his sort; a nasty criminal who no doubt approves of rigging all markets, and holding the USA to ransom while his Israhell has illegal nuclear weapons, refuses inspection, and breaks all U.N. resolutions or any norm of sane, rational, decent behaviour.
Sat next to the bitch of Benghazi, 'married' to paedophile Bill frequent visitor to Jeffrey Epstein's child trafficking enterprise is no surprise. Criminals like criminals.
He is lying of course. He wants US to not be free and alive so we can be used as slaves for the likes of him.
Well, everybody dies sooner or later anyway. Better to die standing up than to live on your knees.
Isre-hell will be overrun one day by the very people they hate.
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/go-goldstein.html
http://youtu.be/ilbHSuhywYU
I always enjoy your comments, Raymond. Cicero, now there's a refreshing blast from the past. Wise, and humble too:
'If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.' (Cicero) Wants are quite something else...
Thanks and backatchya, V.
The proper cliche is (and should have been)...
Give me liberty and give them death...
... for trying to take my liberty away.
Nonetheless, better to fight to the death in persuit of liberty if necessary than submit to slavery or tyranny.
However, I dislike false alternatives, so one should also consider whether they can evade slavery and tyranny in some way without fighting (if too few others are willing to fight with you, which is the case today). In other words, get the hell outta dodge.
You probably know this, but at the time, it was do or die, personally. Colonists faced the might of the British Empire, King, and the international financiers. Colonists knew they could lose everything including their lives. They pledged it all: give me liberty or give me death.
Modern America imagines it can have it all without losing anything, and merely punishing those it dislikes. Kiddults.
Forget 'boud id, your not getting liberty back, deal with it.
The idea that the nyt isnt pro israel could only come from ultra nationalist twats. Likudniks and Jewish Supremacists like Adelson.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/21/meet-the-new-york-times-new-israe...
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...
That it is not quite so right wing as Adelson does not make it unbiased toward Israel - if it moved more toward Adelson's worldview it would be rejected by its core readership who nevertheless are stupid enough to accept the nyt as serious journalism.
Who else remembers the Times' non-coverage of the Israeli spy rings arrested after 9/11, or having the naked chutzpah to claim the giving of nsa 'raw data' to Israel wasnt newsworthy (while pussy riot was):
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130916/12252524535/ny-times-doesnt-t...
I still think the ptb will get Jeb Bush out in front for the GOP. They'll run trump and others into the ground and then pull Jeb out of the hat to run against Hillary.
What country would think of electing either one of these people? Either way the power structure in U.S./Europe/Israel will remain, while the masses become more and more disarrayed.
I think we all know who is running America.
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'I don't like journalism'
I don't like truth,
I don't like people knowing what I am doing,
I don't like people knowing what it means what I am doing,
Also others that don't like real journalism - facists, dictators, war mongers, corrupt politicians, corrupt Oligarchs, pathological liars, psychotic liars, narccissists, serial paedophiles, Presidents, Pentagon, NSA... or to summarise them into one - cheating lying murderous cunts.
A billion dollars? That could buy you a lot of freedom, if you know what I mean.