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US Congresswoman Introduces Bill To Stop "Illegal" War On Assad; Says CIA Ops Must Stop

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Last month, US Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard went on CNN and laid bare Washington’s Syria strategy. 

In a remarkably candid interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gabbard calls Washington’s effort to oust Assad “counterproductive” and “illegal” before taking it a step further and accusing the CIA of arming the very same terrorists who The White House insists are "sworn enemies.” 

In short, Gabbard all but tells the American public that the government is lying to them and may end up inadvertently starting “World War III.”

For those who missed it, here’s the clip:

That was before Paris. 

Well, in the wake of the attacks, Gabbard has apparently had just about enough of Washington vacillating in the fight against terror just so the US can ensure that ISIS continues to destabilize Assad and now, with bi-partisan support, the brazen Hawaii Democrat has introduced legislation to end the "illegal war" to overthrow Assad. 

Gabbard, who fought in Iraq - twice - has partnered with Republican Adam Scott on the bill. Here's AP

In an unusual alliance, a House Democrat and Republican have teamed up to urge the Obama administration to stop trying to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad and focus all its efforts on destroying Islamic State militants.

 

Reps. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat, and Austin Scott, a Republican, introduced legislation on Friday to end what they called an "illegal war" to overthrow Assad, the leader of Syria accused of killing tens of thousands of Syrian citizens in a more than four-year-old civil war entangled in a battle against IS extremists, also known as ISIS.

 

"The U.S. is waging two wars in Syria," Gabbard said. "The first is the war against ISIS and other Islamic extremists, which Congress authorized after the terrorist attack on 9/11. The second war is the illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad."

 

Scott said, "Working to remove Assad at this stage is counter-productive to what I believe our primary mission should be."

 

Since 2013, the CIA has trained an estimated 10,000 fighters, although the number still fighting with so-called moderate forces is unclear. CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on Assad's forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say.

 

For years, the CIA effort had foundered — so much so that over the summer, some in Congress proposed cutting its budget. Some CIA-supported rebels had been captured; others had defected to extremist groups.

 

Gabbard complained that Congress has never authorized the CIA effort, though covert programs do not require congressional approval, and the program has been briefed to the intelligence committees as required by law, according to congressional aides who are not authorized to be quoted discussing the matter.

 

Gabbard contends the effort to overthrow Assad is counter-productive because it is helping IS topple the Syrian leader and take control of all of Syria. If IS were able to seize the Syrian military's weaponry, infrastructure and hardware, the group would become even more dangerous than it is now and exacerbate the refugee crisis.

And make no mistake, Tulsi's understanding of Washington's absurd Mid-East policy goes far beyond Syria. That is, Gabbard fully grasps the big picture as well. Here's what she has to say about the idea that the US should everywhere and always attempt to overthrow regimes when human rights groups claim there's evidence of oppression:

"People said the very same thing about Saddam (Hussein), the very same thing about (Moammar) Gadhafi, the results of those two failed efforts of regime change and the following nation-building have been absolute, not only have they been failures, but they've actually worked to strengthen our enemy."

Somebody get Langley on the phone, this woman must be stopped. 

Here's Gabbard speaking to CNN this week about Assad:

So there's hope for the US public after all.

Perhaps if the clueless masses won't listen to "lunatic" fringe blogs or Sergei Lavrov, they'll listen to a US Congresswoman who served two tours of duty in Iraq and who is now telling Americans that The White House, The Pentagon, and most especially the CIA are together engaged in an "illegal" effort to overthrow the government of a sovereign country and in the process are arming the very same extremists that are attacking civilians in places like Paris.

Good luck Tulsi, and thanks for proving that there's at least one person inside that Beltway that isn't either dishonest or naive. 

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From Gabbard

 “Here are 10 reasons the U.S. must end its war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad:

  1. Because if we succeed in overthrowing the Syrian government of Assad, it will open the door for ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other Islamic extremists to take over all of Syria.  There will be genocide and suffering on a scale beyond our imagination.  These Islamic extremists will take over all the weaponry, infrastructure, and military hardware of the Syrian army and be more dangerous than ever before.
  2. We should not be allying ourselves with these Islamic extremists by helping them achieve their goal because it is against the security interests of the United States and all of civilization.
  3. Because the money and weapons the CIA is providing to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad are going directly or indirectly into the hands of the Islamic extremist groups, including al-Qaeda affiliates, al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Sham, and others who are the actual enemies of the United States.  These groups make up close to 90 percent of the so-called opposition forces, and are the most dominant fighters on the ground.
  4. Because our efforts to overthrow Assad has increased and will continue to increase the strength of ISIS and other Islamic extremists, thus making them a bigger regional and global threat.
  5. Because this war has exacerbated the chaos and carnage in Syria and, along with the terror inflicted by ISIS and other Islamic extremist groups fighting to take over Syria, continues to increase the number of Syrians forced to flee their country.
  6. Because we should learn from our past mistakes in Iraq and Libya that U.S. wars to overthrow secular dictators (Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi) cause even more chaos and human suffering and open the door for Islamic extremists to take over in those countries.
  7. Because the U.S. has no credible government or government leader ready to bring order, security, and freedom to the people of Syria.
  8. Because even the ‘best case’ scenario—that the U.S. successfully overthrows the Syrian government of Assad—would obligate the United States to spend trillions of dollars and the lives of American service members in the futile effort to create a new Syria.  This is what we have been trying to do in Iraq for twelve years, and we still have not succeeded.  The situation in Syria will be much more difficult than in Iraq.
  9. Because our war against the Syrian government of Assad is interfering with our being one-pointedly focused on the war to defeat ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and the other Islamic extremists who are our actual enemy.
  10. Because our war to overthrow the Assad government puts us in direct conflict with Russia and increases the likelihood of war between the United States and Russia and the possibility of another world war.”

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Oh, and if you needed another reason to like Tulsi, here's a bonus 40 second clip for your amusement...

 

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Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:19 | 6821570 DontWorry
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I think I love her.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:36 | 6821621 0b1knob
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Her name is an anagram of "I grab bad slut".

Coincidence?  Or CONSPRIACY????????

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:47 | 6821652 aint no fortuna...
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brains, class and toughness... she makes the rest of congress look like the bought and paid for whores they are

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:02 | 6821679 Freddie
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I love her too.

She was in the military and she is not spewing the Neocon/NeoLib shit line for endless war like military vets Sen. Tom Cotton and other MIC puppets.

Awesome woman.  She should run for President.  I would vote for her.

Speaking of war check out this short but awesome Russian video of TU-160 being escorted by two Su 30s.  This is top shelf technology not that F-35 garbage shit or other hangar queens the B-1 and B-2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja_kvsngEFI

The bit at 1:19 is amazing.  The Russian planes look so damn good.  Major respect for Russia, Russians and Putin.   They are not ashamed to be WHITE and Christian.  The Russians also respect peaceful (mostly Shia) Muslims.

Russia = Christian for 1,100 years with an 80 year period of Khazar, NYC marxist Bolshevik genocide.  Never again Putin and Russians.  Never let it happen again, No Soros, No kasparaov, No Zoligarchs or their slimy ilk.

Bless the Russians for trying to save Syria from pure EVIL.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 19:29 | 6822451 Perimetr
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I just made a $$$ donation to her website.  She deserves it.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 20:02 | 6822573 SILVERGEDDON
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That girl has more balls than all the rest of Congress and the Senate put together.

Government run by people like this - could succeed.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:27 | 6822923 Proctologist
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Yes she does. That being said, She should stay away from nail guns .....

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 09:09 | 6823982 Took Red Pill
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more likely a surfing "accident"

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:01 | 6822837 Jeffersonian Liberal
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Sounds like another Kerry, sent to the military to campaign as a vet and therefore legit, being groomed to fill a niche in the Democrat machine.

And here come all the ZHers who thought Obama was the Messiah the first time round, ready to bow down and kiss the hem of her robe.

Again.

Wake the hell up already. Just because she spews some of the lines you guys are so eager for does not make her genuine.

She is being groomed.

When she gets to higher office, she will push the same leftists bullshit that got us in this hellhole.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:16 | 6823583 conscious being
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Obummer never portrayed himself as the peace candidate. All the usual idiots just assumed he was. This women is different she's saying what needs to be said, right up to, but not including the Zinos. Maybe because she is interested in staying alive.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:35 | 6822288 sam i am
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She should run for a President

 

http://thesaker.is/usa-sitrep-november-21-by-auslander/

 

Actually, I will blame someone. I blame myself, me. I was too busy enjoying the fruits of the labors of my father and grandfathers and furthering my career rather than make sure The United States of America remained true to itself and strong.
I have failed.

bv Auslander Sevastopol,Crimea RF

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 19:56 | 6822547 Oldrepublic
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Thank you for that very interesting post regarding your visit to the US. Sevastopol is a nice city. I have visited it several times.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 11:10 | 6824258 vollderlerby
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The clarity, relevance and directness of her message illustrates how fucking meaningless this whole Dems vs Reps theater really is and no one is talking about what really matters.  Anyone else noticed Wolf's reaction after she said stuff that was true and actually meant something?  He was dumbfounded and didn't know what to do with meanginful comments.  We need more of her and a hell of a lot less of the other fuckheads in congress.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 12:09 | 6824421 Occams_Chainsaw
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It's not often I see some sparks of independance in some of the congress critters.  She apparently does not take shit from her own party either.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/12/d-n-c-officer-say...

 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:12 | 6821712 Dame Ednas Possum
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And your name is an anagram of 'O I Knob B'

Hmmm... you might be on to something there!

;)

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:57 | 6822362 PT
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It is also an anagram of "I Bonk B O", and I find that very disturbing ...

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 22:04 | 6823058 Implied Violins
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Also "Boob Kin." That's even more disturbing; it means there's more than one of them...

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 01:53 | 6823562 Anonymous User
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And she looks like this multicultural ho:

 

http://www.thepornster.com/video/459/hot-foxy-brunette-slut-gives-ass

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 09:59 | 6824089 SoilMyselfRotten
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I B O' KNOB

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:46 | 6822327 conspicio
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Bald Stair Bug?

Atlas Bird Bug?

Bag Adult Ribs?

Brads Tail Bug?

Bald Tuba Rigs?

Rabid Bat Slug?

Dunno. There are like 7000+ others. Seems like a reach to pull the one with "slut" and call it a conspiracy.

/s

 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 20:56 | 6822815 Bingo Hammer
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Your ZH name analyzed = 1 Objectionable Knob :)

have a nice day :)

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:46 | 6821639 sgt_doom
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Compare her vid to this vid of the former director of the DIA, absolute douchetard and simpleminded Gen. Michael Flynn being skewered by the interviewer from al Jazeera!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4

A simple question that NONE of the newsy whorescum would ever dare ask, or could even probably think of:

Those Syrian Muslim refugees are fleeing "radical Muslims" we are constantly being told, yet a large number of those "radical Muslims" are former Muslim immigrants to the USA, Europe, the Americas, etc., who were granted asylum because they were supposed to have been "fleeing radical Muslims"!

So what can we expect if we continue with this neverending loop?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:17 | 6821725 Freddie
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Also that shitbag ex-See Eye Aye boss Woolsley (actually better than most of their shit bags) saying that Snowden helped phony See Eye Aye ISIS in Paris!   What liars! 

I used to think Snowden was a CIA mole in the NSA and a CIA op against NSA but I am not so sure.  I really wonder who he is after Putin correctly gave him asylum.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:25 | 6821751 Bossman1967
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We will be reading an obituary

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:16 | 6821926 NotGrokkingIt
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I would vote for her all night long.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:38 | 6822311 Fullthrottle
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I always have, and im not even a Dem but shes not only Logical but shes hot. 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:51 | 6822346 More_sellers_th...
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Stay away from the nail gun aisle at home depot

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:16 | 6822884 WorkingClassMan
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For once I agree with a demomarxist.  She's right on the money.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:55 | 6823014 logicalman
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What's important here?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:54 | 6823018 logicalman
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Any chance we can stay on topic here?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 23:09 | 6823247 Unix
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arg, then go jump up her ass please

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:34 | 6823592 29.5
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don't get too excited "dontworry," she says kurds are our friends.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:58 | 6823624 Illegal
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She has been groomed for this role. She is a future BO or HC. Read her resume. Just because she wore a uniform we should not be lionizing her. She was military police.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 13:10 | 6824580 cheech_wizard
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She was military police...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hOhhgrM3bs

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 13:18 | 6824608 Noplebian
Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:04 | 6827269 swamp
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We all love her. She's an awesome and brave American hero. War hero. If she were a man we'd be reading about her big balls. - which exposes the FALLACY if male monopoly on bravery. YOU GO GIRL.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:19 | 6821572 buzzsaw99
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she is awesome.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:23 | 6821585 Ignatius
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Yeah, but she's spouting the "Al Qaida did 9/11" trope which, while it gives her access to corporate media, fails to move the ball toward truth which is where it needs to go.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:31 | 6821597 Anonymous User
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Doesn't she look like this multicultural ho?

 

http://www.thepornster.net/video/459/hot-foxy-brunette-slut-gives-ass-to...

 

Or is just me.

 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:31 | 6821608 chunga
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It's just you porn spammer.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:42 | 6821634 DeusHedge
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thanks for warning us

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:45 | 6821833 justdues
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I think that "multicultural ho" is jewish and anonamouse loser should be banned for anti-semitism ?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:49 | 6821655 Lore
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Porn CLICKBAIT does not add value to the discussion. Come back when you're older.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:55 | 6821670 JamaicaJim
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It's you. For the Love of God, just because you can lick your own ass does not mean you have to dig deep and suck the contents of it.

...and STOP DRINKING FROM THE TOILET!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:58 | 6821877 BarkingCat
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ROTFLMAO

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 23:09 | 6823243 Unix
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pssssst....look over here

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 23:08 | 6823239 Unix
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NIGGA Please....

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:56 | 6821672 turnoffthewater
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It's just you

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:05 | 6821689 buzzsaw99
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no thanks. my pc doesn't want to end up like charlie sheen.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:32 | 6821776 Chandos
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To the porn spammer:

I despise all your little interventions...There,I said it.

- and Ob1KnoB's earlier entry was just stupid. There,I said that as well.)

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:44 | 6821829 _ConanTheLibert...
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Hello 10 weeks 3 days troll.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 17:44 | 6822173 FixItAgainTony
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More irritating than a bitcoin cheerleader, less intelligent than a Bangalore spambot.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:13 | 6821714 slammin_dude
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My best guess is even if you know who actually did 9/11...cough....CIA....cough....Mossad....Saudi's....cough.....you can't say any of it since they'll block you and most imbiciles we call neighbours will think you're insane...but somehow believe what comes out of McShitstains mouth....

 

Or she might actually believe the 9/11 lie....though i she doesn't seem that dumb

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:18 | 6821729 sgt_doom
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Well, at least she's mentioning the Sunnis, who are the bad doods in this stuff.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:39 | 6821993 chunga
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While she's saying things that nobody else will, she might as well point out that Russian flight 9268 evidentally exploded because of a bomb. Nothing against the French, but MSM is running a non-stop international mourn-fest on that one, but continues to ignore the 200+ dead on that plane.

I haven't really seen this brought up that much except by D'mitry Orlov. The hypocrisy is insulting and outrageous.

A Most Convenient Massacre

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-most-convenient-massacre.html

Note that after the Russian jet crashed in the Sinai there weren't all that many Facebook avatars with the Russian flag pasted over them, and hardly any candlelight vigils or piles of wreaths and flowers in various Western capitals. I even detected a whiff of smug satisfaction that the Russians got their comeuppance for stepping out of line in Syria.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 17:11 | 6822071 greenskeeper carl
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"The hypocracy is insulting and outrageous"

But is it surprising? Not to me. The US government controls the media. The US government doesn't like Russia. Therefore no on cares about dead Russians. I wondered how much of that booing during the Turkish soccer game came because of that. How many bullshit Facebook memes came about in support of all those killed in the bombing? Not hardly anything. That coupled with many Turks probably just think along the lines of the French just reap what you sow.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:48 | 6822331 chunga
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The only surprising thing is how brazen the propaganda has become. I guess TPTB figure about one half the population is still amused with bickering about fake elections with the second half not having a clue.

The third half they can just mop up with the police state apparatus so they don't give a fuck what anybody thinks.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 20:43 | 6822748 Global Hunter
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I don't disagree with the three halves as you describe them :) but I think they're getting desperate as opposed to not giving a fuck what anybody thinks.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 20:56 | 6822814 Socratic Dog
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You're right.  No one has a fucking clue.  I thought I was going to have a fistfight last night because I casually mentioned to a former marine last night that israel is funding ISIS, and why the fuck don't our leaders do something about it.

Amazing how deep the sheeple drink of their daily propaganda juice.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:57 | 6823036 logicalman
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If you've lived your whole life based on a lie, the truth could be pretty scary.

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:36 | 6823595 conscious being
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Socratic - I once had a guy like that around here. He was a big pro-war, Bush fan. One day, he called me from my driveway. We squared up and this is what I hit him with - "You raised your right hand to swear to defend The Consitution. And you're not doing it. You didn't raise your right hand to defend George Bush." Like he got hit in the forehead with a hammer. Now he's very cool. I saw him the other day and we talked about Paris. He called it a giant magic show that you cannot believe and have no control over.  

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 05:57 | 6823785 Raymond_K._Hessel
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marines are not renowned for their critical thinking skills, but arent dummies either. They just need to be shown which dots to connect.

http://leaksource.info/2015/01/17/the-yinon-plan-greater-israel-syria-ir...

http://theantimedia.org/isis-israel-iraq-and-syria-its-all-part-of-the-p...

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:33 | 6821780 lincolnsteffens
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Congress members can have the same nail gun suicided events as others that publicly dig too deep.  Going as far as she did is a testament to her bravery and honor.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:38 | 6823600 conscious being
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Congressman Louis McFadden. Senator Paul Wellstone. Senator John Heinz. JFK ...

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:35 | 6821789 justdues
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Yeah , did she have to say that , "Al Qaida did 9/11" , she is smart enough to know that is bull, unless she really means "all CIAdid  9/11". Also the fact that she is being put out there by CNN on Wolf Blister made me think but then again it is probably just throwing a bone to the increasing amount of  people who realise they are being lied to about Assad to make it seem like they are being fair and real etc

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:47 | 6821838 Sergeiab
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She's speaking to a CNN crowd, she has to move carefully to be accepted. 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:20 | 6821573 kowalli
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Yo

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:20 | 6821574 stant
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We need more modern era vets to run for office.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:46 | 6821737 Freddie
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GOP-e ran veteran Tom Cotton as Senator in Arkansas but he turned out to be a NeoCon/NeoLib & MIC shitbag.

This lady shows true common sense.  Syria and Assad are not our enemy.

Assad, Ghadaffi and even arguably Saddam treated or treat their people better than the corrupt US Govt.

They f'ed USSA health care even worse, looting the USSA, insider trading for CON-Grezz(io), endless USSA wars, open borders and the list is endless.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:21 | 6821579 SolidSnake961
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like a boss!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:22 | 6821580 Son of Captain Nemo
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Tusli the Hawaiin gal that cares?...

Better hustle on that surf board T cause I think that other politician that hails from the same locale or should I say who's family (adopted it) has plans underway!...

No time like the present!!!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:24 | 6821746 Freddie
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She still surfs too.  Anyone who surfs the Pacific and HI has balls even if she is a woman.  

Can you imagine those ghey shitbacks like Lindsey Graham, McCain, Schumer or Rubio surfing?  NeoCon/NeoLib war mongering scum. 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:05 | 6821891 BarkingCat
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Lindsey Graham cannot serf anywhere with big waves,. His asshole is much too loose and his would die due to anal drowning.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 17:24 | 6822108 fencejumper
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Freddie, slight correction: the great thing about HI is the incredible range of waves found in one area. It is possible to surf the gentlest, most forgiving waves (Waikiki, for one) or some of the toughest (Pipe) and everything in between. My favorite is first HI spot I surfed when 17 (1967): Hanalei Bay, Kauai. The inside was gentle and easy for beginners, the outside a fabulous, big right point break with a long, long swim through coral at low tide if you lost your board (pre-leash). I still remember that swim more than the rides! Sorry, I couldn't resist. Must be the meds after hip replacement.

 

Agree about all Neo, war mongerer scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 20:08 | 6822591 mijev
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That brought back a painful memory. I've scraped the coral twice and once in kauai, but luckilly both times were snorkeling in a current so they weren't high speed impact. The worst things I collided with wind surfing were a grass bank and a school of jellyfish. Good luck with the hip replacement.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:15 | 6822865 fencejumper
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Have a lot of time of my hands, so jumped back here to see if any response to my OT post - thank you, mijev! Did your scrapes draw blood? As you know, that is a big danger in those waters. I hope those jellies weren't the bad kind, like 'Men O' War'.

Actually, my swim through the coral is a great memory because I had been snorkeling for 10 yrs and was very comfortable diving and swimming THROUGH the coral when the water above was too shallow to swim across - exhilirating memory.

Hip replacement went well, just gone from walker to cane and tapering off oxycodone, thank goodness - terrible side effects (like nattering on OT about Glory Days '-). 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:47 | 6822988 mijev
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I don't ever stay on-topic and I'm not on any painkillers. The jellyfish were just big and ugly and scary but they didn't sting me although I had a shortie suit on. I have never in my life gotten back onto the board so quickly! :) Hitting the grass bank was in a lake in Australia and that could have been dangerous because it's easy to get tangled up and difficult to get the board out.

I was in Bonaire snorkeling for half a mile with the current and I tried to go through a gap in the coral just as a swell hit me. No real cuts but a lot of red skin and scrapes. Painful but not serious. I'm living in Malaysia right now and I love it. I swim in the pool every day but I miss the beach. The jellyfish here are the nasty kind and people who get stung say the wounds stick around for years. I've gone to the beach a few times but when you see the "don't swim - beware jellyfish" signs it's not very encouraging.

Once you get active again hopefully you can get back in the water!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 23:39 | 6823344 fencejumper
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Right you are, mijev - being 'in the water' is what it is all about. My GF and I are planning a road trip down Baja this winter when I can walk to get lots of 'in the water' time. I prefer the ocean side for waves, she the gulf for placid, clear waters - we'll go back and forth. My 14 yr old dog is coming, too. She is getting lame (like me ;-), but can still swim well for exercise.

Sounds like you are a world (water) traveler! I'd never heard of the danger of grass banks, but have never been Down Under, either.

Gotta hop, dinner's on.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 01:21 | 6823519 mijev
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Never been to Baja even though I worked in san diego for six months. But I love the weather on the west coast and if I could find a good safe place in that part of Mexico I'd probably quite happily live there. I went to Cozumel once and the water was pretty nice, warmer than the west coast. I'm looking for somewhere that's cheap and friendly, with good weather most of the year and where I can swim in the ocean most days (hawaii without the high prices would do me just fine). I kinda suck at diving because my sinusues are screwed but snorkeling is ok for me. Bonaire was the nicest swimming water I've seen so far but a little expensive because they import everything. I hear good things about the dominican republic too. So many places yet to see and so little time!

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 00:46 | 6823472 Freddie
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+1

Agreed.  However, the Pacific and Indian Oceans often have big sharks and many times they are great whites.

HI is probably less dangerous than OZ or S. Africa for sharks but the Pacific "grows em big."

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:22 | 6821581 Wizard of Ozman
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Wow, time to turn the Mercedes back into the dealership and borrow your neighbors 1970's Volvo. I applaud you! 6.06

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:22 | 6821583 Laughinggrizzley
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Wow, hope she doesn't own any nail guns.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:23 | 6821586 Ms No
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Heads up: DOD drill in Phoenix "not related to Paris".  They have been buzzing the hell out of us in Scottsdale too, shut some roads down in Pheonix.  http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/black-helicopters-spotted-around-downtown-phoenix-over-federal-building

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:41 | 6821811 Freddie
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McCain's shithole AZ where dumb idiots vote in the war "hero" sic war monger every election.

Why?  The Crown/Krinsky crime family General Dynamics plant in PHX/Scottsdale.

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/04/crown-crime-family-of-chicago.html

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:44 | 6823604 conscious being
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Freddie, do the people of Arizona keep voting McStain in or does Diebold. With everything else corrupt, why would elections be fair?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:23 | 6821587 Lorca's Novena
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She better be careful, the MIC has a plethora of nail guns....

 

Seriously, she is exatly what this country needs: COMMON EFFING SENSE!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:35 | 6821616 BanksterSlayer
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Hawaii should take common sense one step further and just secede, keep all that Gold stored at the Bank of Hawaii, turn around, and join BRICS.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 00:22 | 6823436 Max Cynical
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Trump/Gabbard?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:25 | 6821594 yrad
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It's official. I'm fucking moving to Hawaii.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:28 | 6821598 StrangerInAStra...
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Wish we had more Congresspeople like her.  Bravo!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:33 | 6821613 chunga
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I'd love to see her beat John McCain with a shovel.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:18 | 6821730 Bob
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Damn, that felt good!  +1

Best laugh of the day, too. 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:43 | 6822319 ArmchairRevolut...
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I'd love to see anyone beat McStain with a shovel.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:33 | 6821612 Winston Churchill
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Totally off topic.

Anybody notice anthing different in their dealings with their banks lately ?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:39 | 6821628 kowalli
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im

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:50 | 6821657 curbjob
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Anybody notice anthing different in their dealings with their banks lately ?


Yes;  own a commercial building, valued at $800K, 100% equity. .. applied for a $50K loan from our regional bank to reroof,  never even considered it wouldn't be rubber stamped ....

 

bank called Friday at close of buisness ; loan rejected, no explanation. 

I can only assume there's a credit event underway ... been a while since I did any roofing,  I can use the exercise. 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:06 | 6821691 Winston Churchill
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Ties in with my recent experiences across multiple banks.

Somebody has clamped down on the underwriting depts in banks, credit card co's, and

even money processors.All in the last week.

Somethings up

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:10 | 6821705 fockewulf190
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Maybe related to the Monday Fed meeting?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:53 | 6821865 Bernanke'sDaddy
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Tell them you're looking for a bulk purchase of nailguns and nails. Maybe they'll change their mind??

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 19:32 | 6822462 BullyBearish
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Don't know if you saw it here, emergency closed door meeting at the fed on Monday...we can only hope

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:52 | 6821661 Yen Cross
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 Smart people use Credit Unions.

  Just a little Saturday humor :-)

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:42 | 6821819 Freddie
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I am not sure they will offer a lot more protection if the SHTF.  Sure better than dealing with large mega scum banks.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:52 | 6821861 Yen Cross
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 They don't. At least share holders get to attend annual meetings though.

 Minimum deposit requirement at my C.U. is $5.00, which makes you a share holder.

 I also understand the complexity of Winstons' needs. I was just poking the old [smart] coot.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:57 | 6821674 buzzsaw99
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serious bad attitudes are common at the bank nowadays. one guy i nicknamed "evan almighty".

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:47 | 6821837 _ConanTheLibert...
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New online homebanking recently (I'm in Europe).

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:35 | 6821615 headless blogger
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I knew it was only a matter of time before the US started putting out some smart women. It's about time. She is great, so far anyway. She sticks to the narrative about 9/11 but if she didn't she wouldn't be in congress, so I'll forgive her that, and leave 9/11 to the Engineers and physicists to sort out.

She has it both, beauty and brains! Just like my wife!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:26 | 6821758 besnook
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i think the same thing about my wife despite all the evidence that constantly reminds me i am wrong. love is blind. i still don't think girls should fart.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:58 | 6822047 WillyGroper
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think how big she'd be if she didn't. ;)

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:35 | 6821617 ghostzapper
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Take it up a notch and publicly sever your ties with AIPAC and call for Bibi's arrest.

Cynthia McKinney for President.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:14 | 6821917 BarkingCat
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Cynthia McKinney is a certified moron.

Just because she said one good thing, does not negate hundreds of other stupid stuff that exited her mouth over the years.

Same as Sheila Jackson Lee.

 

Both as mental midgets in the same class as Hank Johnson (Guam capsize)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 07:25 | 6823851 conscious being
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BC, she is opposed to AIPAC. She wants a new, genuine 9/11 investigation. What's not to like?

 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:36 | 6821619 HoserF16
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What this smart lady is really saying, Obama, stop funding/arming ISIS. Also, ISIS isa US Govenment asset. If ISIS attacks another country, blame the US Government. Simple really....

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:36 | 6821624 Heavenlysunshine
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Silly woman ! The israelis want a weak, destabilized and depopulated neighbourhood...Lebensraum for the 'Chosen Ones'.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:52 | 6821663 tarabel
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Since the territory under control of the Israeli government is constantly shrinking, they have a very arcane definition of "lebensraum", don't they?

Is Israel bigger or smaller than what it was after the 1967 war?

Is it bigger or smaller than it was after the 1973 war?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:35 | 6821794 Johnny Horscaulk
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Israel was forced out of the Sinai by the U.S. Israel started the '67 war and refused to withdraw from Sinai or Golan.

'...Yet, as already noted, following the June ’67 war, the U.N. Security Council passed resolution 242 calling upon Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. Israel, needless to say, refused to do so and has remained in perpetual violation of international law ever since.

During the 1973 war, Egypt and Syria thus “invaded” their own territory, then under illegal occupation by Israel. The corollary of the description of this war as an act of Arab aggression implicitly assumes that the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza Strip were Israeli territory. This is, needless to say, a grossly false assumption that demonstrates the absolutely prejudicial and biased nature of mainstream commentary when it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict.'

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...

And its desire for lebensraum and to DESTROY ITS NEIGHBORS is well attested - including the ongoing colonization of the West Bank. And it retains the Golan.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...

http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

ISIS IS ISRAEL'S PROXY.

http://original.antiwar.com/dan_sanchez/2015/10/05/seize-the-chaos/

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:51 | 6821859 Bay of Pigs
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Thanks for destroying his idiotic comment.

It's almost like some people here don't know any actual history at all.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 19:53 | 6822538 mijev
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I'm sure it's coincidence that the golan heights is legally a part of syria. I'm sure it was coincidence that they "just" discovered oil deposits in the GH that would give israel oil independence for 30 years.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:38 | 6821627 williambanzai7
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That gal rocks!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:50 | 6821656 Yen Cross
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 That chick has some serious cahones. Someone in CONgress that actually does her/his fucking job! Representing The People

 She's looking sexier by the day. ;-)

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:00 | 6821882 Hapa
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She's our girl

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:31 | 6821971 Yen Cross
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 We need MOAR of her candid well versed, field tested, street smart, acquaintances.

That woman is beautiful, and I'm talking about her lips, and neckline. 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:53 | 6821666 JamaicaJim
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I just worry that she is going to have an "accident".

400 more of her in Congress and I'd be proud again.

 

Alas....the banksters...never happen.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:47 | 6821649 Bernanke'sDaddy
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CONGRESSWOMAN, IF YOU'RE READING THIS PLEASE AVOID SMALL PLANES, NAILGUNS, SCUBA DIVING OR TWISTY CANYON ROADS.

in fact, might just wanna work from home.
And thanks for what you're doing btw.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:46 | 6821835 LostWages
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Also hire a food taster and someone to start your car before you get in it. 

You go girl!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 20:38 | 6822721 Bunga Bunga
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And never go surfing with those guys on longboards without leash.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 20:40 | 6822730 Isotope
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Don't forget hot tubs!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 21:26 | 6822921 Dinero D. Profit
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Don't ride in convertibles.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:50 | 6821658 Chuckster
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Why isn't she running for prez?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:09 | 6821899 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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are we to infur by your comment that the current contigent of Presidential candidates does meet expectations.

Shocked I am.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:10 | 6821901 mendigo
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I think she is. She was dis-invited from attending the dem debates. They did not approve of her outspokeness. But real reason is she so outshines Hildebeast. So far she is only viable canditate. She and Ron Paul.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:18 | 6821928 BarkingCat
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>>> Why isn't she running for prez?  <<<

 

Why don't you know that there is a minimum age in order for someone to be president?

 

... but to anwser your question - she is too young.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 17:55 | 6822201 Mr.BlingBling
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That wouldn't matter if she was bought and paid for. (Kenyans aren't allowed to be President either.)

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 18:42 | 6822317 samsara
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I believe she would be old enough at election time

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 02:48 | 6823608 Bunga Bunga
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She is.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:56 | 6821659 o r c k
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This brave American can NOT be alone from now on.

If this becomes common knowledge and the "Public" demands Congress do something, This might become one of the most turbulent chapters in World History. But I don't see that happening. People are too busy surviving.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 04:21 | 6823709 Otrader
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All the people I've spoken to at work regarding Syria are 100% MSM brainwashed.  Very depressing.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:52 | 6821664 rapetrain
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What a hefty porker. Maybe she will do something about the illegal occupation of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:22 | 6821741 Yen Cross
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 And maybe you'll get some of the long needed attention, you've so desperately been crying out for.?

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:52 | 6821862 _ConanTheLibert...
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Hello 2 weeks 3 days troll.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 04:19 | 6823707 Otrader
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There's been a lot of them lately...butthammer, yomutti, and now this a$$wipe.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:53 | 6821665 Hugh G. Rection
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Finally, a Hawaii politician I am proud of!

Mahalo Tulsi

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 14:58 | 6821675 Chia-Pet
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I'm long Gabbard

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:05 | 6821683 SillySalesmanQu...
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Tulsi Gabbard, you're my heroine!

She's got brass, the Anti-Hildabeast. Let's see if any of the other spineless, whoremonger, Congresscritters and Presstitutes will get on her bandwagon...
Trump needs to talk to her about being his VP choice...they would win in a landslide.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:07 | 6821692 Bernard_2011
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Bravo Tulsi!

 

What a brilliantly clear exposition on exactly why the US policy on Syria must reverse course.  She demonstrates both character and intellect.

 

One has to ask how the nation came to such a state of affairs that all these high level government people (and presidential candidates) have been unable to see what is so blindingly obvious.  

 

Some of them now want to "fight ISIS" by imposing a no-fly zone on Syria---which is effectively fighting Assad INSTEAD OF ISIS.  What disingenuous groupthink buzzword nonsense---this is what passes for "strategy" now.

 

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:28 | 6821764 o r c k
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A no-fly zone would be a safe umbrella for ISIS.  But how can you do something like that when that Country's elected Govnt. doesn't even want you in their Country. I KNEW there was a good example-- when Iraq invaded Kuwait !  That was the clear justification for the Gulf War. We HATED those invaders. How DARE they invade a sovreign Country!! And we slaughtered them for it.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:09 | 6821700 nakki
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Every one of those 10 points makes perfect sense. Unfortunately wars are about power and MONEY. Just like QE forever is not for the 99.9% of the populous, wars are for the very few to steal money. Trillions of dollars spent on war make for a "UGE" skim. La Cosa Nostra didn't have shit on these guys.

"When your business is war, peace makes you poor."

Me.

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 00:18 | 6823431 Sorry_about_Dresden
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Great qoute.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 15:14 | 6821716 roadhazard
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Her tongue makes mine hard.

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