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"This Is The Most Dangerous Time Ever" Ex-CIA Boss Says US To Blame For "Scourge Without Parallel" ISIS

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"I have never felt more uncomfortable than I do today," warns former CIA Director Jack Devine, saying that, with "frankly uncivilized" ISIS, there is a greater risk of violence worldwide than ever before.

According to The Hill,

“I think this is the most dangerous time in terms of sustained violence,” he said on “The Cats Roundtable” in an interview airing Sunday on New York’s AM-970.
 
“I have never felt more uncomfortable than I do today,” he told host John Catsimatidis. “Some percentage of the world today is always either unbalanced or radicalized. When you have a small group of people who are willing to lose their lives and kill anyone they can, we’re all vulnerable.

Devine cited the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) as an unprecedented threat in terms of its wanton disregard for human life...

“I dealt with terrorists in South America in the 1970s, but they never attacked innocent women and children indiscriminately,” he said.
 
“You have a group in ISIS today that is frankly uncivilized. These folks could get stronger and stronger. We basically have to destroy ISIS over there,” Devine said.
 
Devine argued that dismantling ISIS’s command structure is crucial for minimizing the danger it presents, much like al Qaeda before them.
 
“We killed three-fourths of their leadership,” he said of al Qaeda.  “We have to do the same thing with ISIS. “We have to destroy their refuge over there. When they start to lose, their recruiting numbers start to fall.”

Devine, who mainly served during the Cold War, said ISIS is a scourge without parallel because it has no concern for self-preservation.

“There is nothing that can be compared with nuclear weapons and their use,” he said of tensions between the U.S. and the former Soviet Union.

 

“[But] people felt safe in the sense there was countervailing balance,” he added. “Early in our contest with the Russians, it was clear we had checks and balances.”

Finally Devine admits...

“If there’s blame to be put, it’s on our failure to have done that by this point.”

 

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Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:54 | 6829001 i_call_you_my_base
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"I dealt with terrorists in South America in the 1970s..."

"And by dealt I mean trained and funded."

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:02 | 6829016 Looney
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John Kerry to the MSM:

Do not use “Al Qaeda” or “Al Nustra” - just call them "Allies" (pronounced Al Lies). ;-)

Looney

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:03 | 6829051 NidStyles
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So the threat of nuclear annihilation of the cold war wasn't a real threat then?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:55 | 6829302 TBT or not TBT
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That threat never ceased even for a second. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:21 | 6829438 unicorn
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refuse to be terrorized.

please.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:03 | 6829600 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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All hands on deck for PR fire control.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:16 | 6829644 Vatican_cameo
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“I have never felt more uncomfortable than I do today,” he told host John Catsimatidis. “Some percentage of the world today is always either unbalanced or radicalized. When you have a small group of people who are willing to lose their lives and kill anyone they can, we’re all vulnerable.

 

By small group he means CIA, Right?  I thought he would have been a little clearer.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:14 | 6829846 Gent
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...or his way of saying his beloved rogue CIA is completely off the rails, and has spun wildly out of control.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:34 | 6829919 Big_Sister_Is_W...
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They must have offered this old clown a christmas bonus with his pension.  He feels uncomfortable... DUDE, YOU ARE GOING TO DIE OF OLD AGE SOON!!!

TERROR...TERROR!!...ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz...mpphh.... oh, TERROR!!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:59 | 6829992 turtle
Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:29 | 6830100 cheka
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he's uncomfortable because the effectiveness of their lies is fading in the minds of the armed US public

nyc/dc media and gov policy results are always the same:

black lives matter = attack those people not buying our lies

isis = attack those people not buying our lies

false flags = attack those people not buying our lies

the threat is the millions of armed US citizens -- all ALL of this crap is the paranoid freaks trying to reduce that threat

idiots should have never let the internet out of the bag

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 01:09 | 6830322 TruxtonSpangler
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CIA is truly scraping the bottomof the shill barrel for agents to trot out and confirm the ISIS/ISIL/DAESH threat

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 01:23 | 6830348 TahoeBilly2012
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Alright Greater Israel, you go girl....I can see the finish line!

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 02:04 | 6830416 cookie nookie
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People don't take ISIS seriously enough.  I really believe that militant Islam could prove to be an extinction event.  Those boys are both smelly and crazy.  They'd rather destroy the earth than take a bath.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 07:03 | 6830875 Surviver22
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It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced.

All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!

http://motivationdose.com/electromagnetic-pulse-attack-emp-blackout-usa-...

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:58 | 6829795 Groundhog Day
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Be scared be scared be scared be scared be scared

FU

Here are the things people should be scared of

1) The fed/ Banking cartel - For destroying your wealth and livelehood

2) The CIA/NSA/ FBI/ HSA-  For destroying your freedom

3) Big Pharma-  For pushing god knows what on to you

4) Fast Food and Monsanto- you are what you eat

5)The educational system-  for dumbing you down

1022389) Terrorists- You have a better shot at being struck by lightening 5 times before dying of a terrorist attack

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:06 | 6829818 TuPhat
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The last point is wrong if you know how to stay out of the rain during a lightning storm.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:49 | 6830161 Lore
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Also, it might be a good idea to avoid emergency exercises in your community. They have this extraordinary habit of taking on a life of their own. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:46 | 6830150 DaveyJones
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6) Your government because it's not

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 08:06 | 6831031 americanreality
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Riding in cars. Roads are ghastly corridors of death.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 08:59 | 6831247 jwoop66
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You neglected to mention the most evil and vile of them all  ---- .gov, usa.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:27 | 6829466 Occident Mortal
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My guess is that Iran have done a deal with Putin in that once ISIS is swept away Iran gets to build a gas pipeline through Iraq (which it controls) and through Syria into Europe.

 

Russia is allowing Iran into the European gas market because Bandar threatened Sochi, and Putin wants to end the House of Saud in retaliation.

 

Two weeks from now the world is going to make laws that pushes countries towards natural gas and away from coal and oil.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:48 | 6829541 Chris Dakota
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I said back in 2003 that they would not just wipe out Iraq. I said that in a totally connected world there are just too many witnesses to genocide. I said they won't do that, at least not yet.

Uranus/Pluto opposition they killed the king of England, then at the same aspect they killed the King of France when it was exact but the terror went on for nine years due to the nature of the slow changes that occur with outer planet synods.

1933 Uranus/Pluto square in March when both Hitler and FDR came to power with a few days of each other, and the terror lasted quite a few years.

So we had the last Uranus/Pluto pass in 2015 of this cycle.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:35 | 6829915 .National Suici...
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Whatever it is that you're taking, I want some. If you do not give me some, I will activate the singularity.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:59 | 6830169 Lore
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No joke. Some groups like to incorporate this kind of thing because they think it makes them seem more 'illuminated' and 'cosmic' and stuff.

Christine Lagarde on the Number 7: "I Do As I'm Told"

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 00:09 | 6830206 .National Suici...
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Absolutely...and widespread awareness of what is real, i.e. a genuine threat, is watered down by trying to explain that "this" is a REAL threat, and those crazies over there have glommed on to our rational discourse, thus making outsiders suspicious of our motives, since, after all, who wants to find themselves agreeing (even by extension) with freaks.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 01:11 | 6830325 TruxtonSpangler
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Pluto is a ball of ice according to science

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 01:39 | 6830377 r0mulus
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Yea there are definitely a few numerologically focused groups in the Western leadership clique.

The Lagarde statements that you reference was very obvious, but there are others.

Have us homunculi grasping at straws while they "create new realities" ;)

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:36 | 6829926 BarkingCat
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Uranus/Pluto??

Yes my anus is very violet after certain meals.It is a terror for everyone around me.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 01:40 | 6830379 Jugdish
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My ass is on fire at the office. I take shits in the bathroom but the landlord won't replace the fan. I take pictures and send them out to my buddies. I fantasize about leaving them in the shared toilet for the bankruptcy attorney to find (without toilet paper on top).

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:21 | 6829626 Paveway IV
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"...once ISIS is swept away Iran gets to build a gas pipeline through Iraq (which it controls) and through Syria into Europe..."

I would say that's accurate, since the U.S. put ISIS there to block the Iran - Iraq - Syria pipeline. When Russia destroys ISIS, the previously planned pipeline can proceed. It has nothing to do with Russian 'permission' - Putin expects someone to eventually be sending gas up from the Middle East once the slaughter stops. He doesn't care who it is or how much. It's not going to displace more than a fraction of the Russian supply to Europe. Syria rejected the Qatari pipeline for its own reasons - probably because Qatar was planning on killing Assad and replacing him with a Western stooge well before the Qatari-Turkey pipeline was announced. In fact, the announcement was pretty much an insult to Syria. Qatar quite arrogantly announced that they WOULD be building the pipeline through Syria without bothering to ask them. 

The U.S. blocked the first Iran pipeline (called the Persian Pipeline) FROM IRAN to Iraq in 2010 by forcing the Swiss company that partnered with Iran to back out due to Israeli - ooops, 'Western' sanctions on Iran. The second Iran-sourced NG pipeline from Iran through Iraq and Syria - called the Friendship Pipeline - was agreed to in 2012 by the countries involved. That's when the U.S. launched it's failed coup attempt in Syria and let its ISIS mad-dogs loose in Iraq. Tyler usually refers to this by the derogatory label of "Islamic Pipeline" - a snide label that Kagan-PNAC and Western oil companies used. Tyler never refers to the Western-backed Qatari pipeline as the Jihadi Pipeline, nor does he refer to the Kirkuk-Haifa oil pipeline as the Jewish Pipeline. I'm not sure about the inconsistency - maybe he's trying to make some point.

Putin negotiates with everyone. He was even talking with Israel about helping them with the Leviathan pipeline. The U.S. seems to favor 'regime change' as the preferred strategy to expand its oil interests where it has no business doing so.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:37 | 6830130 Manthong
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Masterful analysis..

I might only add Nuland to the “Kagan/PNAC” label".

…be well.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:33 | 6830114 cheka
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'because pipeline' claims are low IQ misdirection

perfect for the msm zombies who think they've discovered the 'real' reason..

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 00:59 | 6830214 maxwellsdemon
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I had thought so earlier but the Iran pipeline through Syria is a piece of the equation.  If Iran can ship oil directly to Europe, then the Gulf states would be negatively affected and Israel would not get a piece of the business from the Iranians.  Also Israel also wants to develop it's own off shore fields and sell some of the gas to Europe (why would Israel want to benefit the Gulf states over it's own interests?) and so an Iranian pipleine through Syria would directly hurt Israel's interests. 

But the main reason for the chaos in Syria (chaos that the US created for Israel's benefit) if to divide Lebanon's Hezbollah from Iran and turing Syria into a caliphate run by warlords.   Israel fears an Iranian armed Hezbollah.  Israel also fears Lebanon's economic potential if developed with Iran's help into a Shia trade zone from Iran to Lebanon with Lebanon as the main port on the Med for Iranian goods.

The proof that Israel directs all Western foreign policy is evidenced by the fact that not one western country has publically pressured Israel to come clean on it's nuclear weapons program.  Israel even offered to assist South Africa in developing nukes and Shimon Perez was a main negotiator and not a peep came out of the west.  The last US president to pressure Israel on it's nuclear program was JFK and this led to the resignation of Ben Gurion in anger at JFK's insistence on inspecting Dimona.  Ben Gurion wanted JFK killed because having a few nukes was a key enabler of Israel being able to successfully carry out the Six day war.  The murder of JFK a few months later was a joint Mossad/CIA operation with LBJ's active participation in the murder and coverup. Jack Rubenstein (aka Jack Ruby) had roots in the Meyer Lansky's mob which was connected to the Mossad in many operations. As soon as JFK was murdered, military aid to Israel went up six fold the next year and began becoming astronomical by 1970.   Of course LBJ's willingness to overlook the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty by Israel may be due to his unease at becoming the next target of the Mossad if he had sent jets to defend the ship

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

 

Israel's nuclear weapons must become a topic of discussion if Israel is to be neutralized.  Once Israel if forced to admit it has nukes, it will raise the question as to whom they are pointed at.  If Israel admits that they are pointed at Iran, then Iran can announce publically that they have the right to develop them too.   If Israel says they are pointed at Russia which is the main superpower adversary of Israel's ongoing destruction of the ME, then Russia will destroy Israel if a US vs Russia war happens.  Right now, Israel is using the West as it's 'golem' or 'dupe' to threaten Russia, Iran, and China because any nuclear exchange would avoid targeting Israel.  That would change once Israel admits it has nukes and perhaps the war mongering rhetoric out of the West would stop. 

 

The BDS movement should make the issue of Israel coming clean about it's nukes the second most important issue after the rights of the Palestinians.  Perhaps it should be the most important issue.    Even ZioChristians should agree that no country has the right to hide it's nuclear program.  Lying is a sin supposedly to all good Christians and Israel is lying.  No country should be given a pass to plead the fifth on this matter.  No country has thus been given a pass but Israel.   Once Israel is no longer being treated as 'exceptional' maybe the 'chosen' can become realistic and humble.  Or maybe not.   But the issue must be pressed.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 11:23 | 6832133 moneybots
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"The murder of JFK a few months later was a joint Mossad/CIA operation with LBJ's active participation in the murder and coverup"

 

Another conspiracy fantasy.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 12:52 | 6832773 cheka
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close...but backward

south africa supplied israel with yellow cake

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:15 | 6829405 Max Steel
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yup 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 05:33 | 6830635 SilverSphinx
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The 'threat of nuclear annihilation' was/is pure hyperbolic bs.

There isn't annihilation, except in a very local sense, during a nuclear war.

The vast majority of the people of the U.S. would survive an all-out nuclear exchange between the U.S. and Russia and/or China and/or any other combatant. Most of the people of the U.S. would/will survive even if they took no action whatsoever to prepare for, or evacuate during, a nuclear war.

One nation would be a winner and another the loser and the winner would get the prize of dominion over the loser and it's mostly intact infrastructure and people.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:09 | 6829077 goldhedge
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The CIA guy doesn't mention the House of Saud.

Pfft.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:39 | 6829506 Jack Burton
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Good catch! And there never do. CIA and House od Saud have done a long term deal to look out for eachother in this world. The CIA serves no master, it is the fucking master. It does deals that are anti American, and they don't care, because America is just a sugar daddy to them. We are the chumps who pay their bills, while they put half of all honest Americans on their enemies list.

CIA is international, not American. They are the hit men for the biggest corporations on earth, and most especially the biggest energy firms. Oil and CIA go together, and there is the Saudi connection.

CIA is the lead agent if world Islamic extremism, they don't fight it, they nurture it! Their long term goal is to use mass Islamic terror armies to do what the CIA and Corporate masters want done. Need a police state in America? Do a hit on America 9/11. Need to eliminate Russia? Create ISIS and direct them against Russia's allies. And you can take it from there. It will continue on as before. Nobody left has the power to take down the CIA terror rings.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:01 | 6829591 847328_3527
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But they're still ... "jealous of our freedom" right?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:07 | 6829609 Meat Hammer
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There is no greater threat than the United States federal government.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:08 | 6829827 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes, they hate us for our Free Dumbs.

The fact that we have so many dumb ones, but still enjoy a reasonable amount of freedom.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:40 | 6829943 BarkingCat
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I though they hated us for our Fritos.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:02 | 6830010 scrappy
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Somewhere it's 3:00 AM

Wikileaks: Hillary Clinton Claims Saudi Arabia is the Largest Donor to “Salafism Terrorists” Worldwide

http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2015/11/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-cl...

Clinton Foundation’s Colombian ‘Private Equity Fund’ Deletes Website

http://investmentwatchblog.com/clinton-foundations-colombian-private-equ...

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:17 | 6829104 BullyBearish
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So...he's never heard of an organization killing women and children indiscriminately?  How about the IDF and the CIA?  Never heard of them?  It's about time people who kill people indiscriminately are scared.  It's called BLOWBACK.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:53 | 6829291 TeamDepends
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While it can't be denied that madmen seized control of this country many decades ago and used its military in wars of aggression, this by no means lets the barbaric death-cult known as Islam off the hook for its centuries of invasion, mass murder, rape, and pillaging. Why, if it weren't for the brave Venetian Navy in the Battle of Lepanto (1571), and the German and Polish Knights at the Gates of Vienna (1683), you European ladies would be wearing burkas as we speak.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 00:31 | 6830256 maxwellsdemon
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Then explain why the West supports the extremists Saudis (who crucify Christians, forbid the practise of christianity in their country..etc.) while being at war with the moderate and relatively more enlightened Shia.  Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Iran all have (or had) a much more open society for women, christians, ..etc. than the Sunnis whom the west is arming.    So your argument doesn't hold up. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:36 | 6829212 SILVERGEDDON
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Eliminate the CIA, and make the world a better place for all of mankind.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:04 | 6829598 Quus Ant
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What if some enterprising country refuses to accept Fedbucks in exchange for their resources and labour? 

"I hate you CIA scum!  Your wanton murder and strongarm tactics don't speak for me!" 

                   -Sent from my Iphone

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:25 | 6829678 Paveway IV
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"...Eliminate the CIA, and make the world a better place for all of mankind..."

Yeah, I think John Kennedy tried that. I heard it didn't work out so well for him.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 03:28 | 6830511 Fish Gone Bad
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It didn't end well for a lot of people.  It hasn't been ending well for the rest of us either.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 00:05 | 6830194 chart_gazer
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If you have any doubt, read the recently released "Devil's Chessboard". They are the  terrorist of the world. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:28 | 6829689 jmc8888
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Well that's 'an inconvenient truth'... oh wait.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 01:20 | 6830341 robertsgt40
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Devine is in a position to know.  We're one false flag away from WWIII.  And the CIA's creations will be in the middle of it. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:03 | 6829053 Squid Viscous
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yes the good old days of pentagram/ ITT coup d'etats... seemed so easy...

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:05 | 6830018 scrappy
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Those marks were easier.

These guys might be a bit different.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:33 | 6829194 sgt_doom
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“I dealt with terrorists in South America in the 1970s, but they never attacked innocent women and children indiscriminately,” he said.

No shit, sherlock, and it's because of you and the most vile mass murderer of all time, the CIA (and DIA, and NSA, and FBI, etc.), but predominantly the CIA and the Pentagon, that ISIS and such exists today!

Whether it was Allen Dulles coordinating the escape of endless number of mass murderering Nazis, who would end up in CIA-overthrown countries, aiding and abetting their secret police (Example:  Walter Rauff, who was responsible for at least 200,000 deaths, ending up as an advisor to Augusto Pinochet's secret police or DINA) or the grandson of the first chairman of the Bank for International Settlements, Richard Helms and his MKULTRA, you devils are to blame.

Recommended reading (to better understand why the USA is known as the Great Satan):

The Devil's Chessboard, by David Talbot

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=the+devil%27s+chessboard&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=78875381302&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2565125617248777980&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_34lcz93rcf_e_p4

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:52 | 6829289 logicalman
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Funny how these fucks can come out and say this kind of shit and get away with it.

The fucker's basically pleading guilty to murder, FFS.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:00 | 6829331 Ms No
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They didn't kill anybody in South America my ass.... The school of Americas, Operation Condor, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Guatamala, El Salvador  .... who the hell are they kidding?  The CIA has always been covered and nobody ever cared. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:38 | 6829223 Perimetr
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"If there's blame to be put. . ." 

It's on the CIA for running its global terrorist operations, funded by the $1 trillion dollars a year coming from its Afghanistan heroin operation.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:30 | 6829475 Noplebian
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US Gives Their Proxy Army ISIS 45 Minute Warning Before Air Strikes......

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:54 | 6829755 Paveway IV
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To be fair, Noplebian, there are no such thing as head-chopper truck drivers. There's just some unfortunate Sunnis (but mostly just Turks) trying to make a living by owning and driving a truck. This small act of humanity - warning non-ISIS truck drivers - is far more understandable than U.S. bombing runs on Raqqa that hit buildings that have been empty for weeks according to Raqqa residents. Some of them empty because they were previously bombed by U.S. jets, again for no reason except as bullshit 'We're tough on ISIS' PR.

Contrast that with the fucking armada we sent out to help the fake FSA take over a couple of tiny Turkmen villages the other day in the 'Safe Zone' (the bad idea they just won't let die): F16s, A10s, AC-130 gunships, drones. This was for two tiny villages long held by ISIS that each had maybe 20 - 30 houses and farms. They couldn't have had more than a dozen or two ISIS fighters each. I'm surprised we didn't roll the damn B-52s out to support that massive operation. At least the fake FSA was able to retake the villages. I'm sure the Turkmen farmers (the ones that lived through the first ISIS assault and head-choppings) are clamoring to get back to their little liberated hell-holes right in the middle of ISIS territory, because you can always trust the U.S.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:02 | 6829858 dark pools of soros
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They'll nuke half of Syria and put a pipeline through the fallout.. as long as enough Euro governments control goyims in perpetual debt, the endless death & loans will continue

 

 

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:46 | 6829535 Max Cynical
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Let's first start by withdrawing CIA funding and technical support.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:54 | 6829002 Bunga Bunga
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He must know.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:55 | 6829006 Martial
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Be afraid. Be very afraid. Especially on days ending with "y".

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:09 | 6829076 813kml
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Nowadays it seems they all end with "why?!?!?!".

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:56 | 6829009 blindman
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sirs and madams,
.
“Christmas celebration this year is going to be a charade because the whole world is at war. We are close to Christmas. There will be lights, there will be parties, bright trees, even Nativity scenes – all decked out – while the world continues to wage war.

It’s all a charade. The world has not understood the way of peace. The whole world is at war. A war can be justified, so to speak, with many, many reasons, but when all the world as it is today, at war, piecemeal though that war may be—a little here, a little there—there is no justification.

What shall remain in the wake of this war, in the midst of which we are living now? What shall remain? Ruins, thousands of children without education, so many innocent victims, and lots of money in the pockets of arms dealers.”

Francis I
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http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2015/11/here-is-british-banned-...

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:40 | 6829181 Dinero D. Profit
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Ladies and gentlemen of ZH.  

In history, what must be, will be.

The discovery of America by Europe had to happen. The savages had to be eliminated and The Revolutionary War had to happen. Slavery had to begin, and after it, segregation had to begin, but, what must be, will be, slavery and segregation had to end. Old School colonization of poor nations had to happen. The Boer War had to happen. The Spanish American War had to happen. The Main had to be sunk.  WWI had to happen. Calvary charges had to end.   Totalitarian Communism had to happen. Germany’s 20’s depression had to happen, reactionary jingoism had to happen, and Kristallnacht and the Reichstag fire had to happen. The Allies had to win WWII, Hiroshima and Nagasaki had to be publicity stunts, and the Cold War had to begin. JFK had to be wacked, the Vietnam War had to happen, the FED still was happening.  Civil Rights laws had to be passed.  Recognition of China had to happen, going off the gold standard had to happen, and Nixon had to be kicked out of office.  Corporate Globalization had to begin. After Carter an actor had to be President. Unions had to be stifled. Perestroika and glasnost had to happen. The Berlin Wall had to come down. The MIC had to find another enemy, and suddenly 9/11 had to happen. …  

Over population has to happen, poisoning the environment has to happen, and the NWO has to happen.

Ladies and gentlemen, the NWO is here, and there is nothing you can do, and nothing you could have done to stop it.

Edit.  I see none of our supposed enemies 'truth bombing' 9/11, 7/7, and the 13th Paris attacks. I see no trade embagoes, I see no arguments in the Security Council over the illegality of US/Nato bombing in Syria.  

 

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:58 | 6829323 blindman
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corporations and hoodwink powers ride
on the indifference of the damned, the silence
of the dead and doomed.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:27 | 6829467 Dinero D. Profit
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The Satus Quo can rely upon the loyalty of their employees, Congress, the military, the military industrial contractors, their workers and family members, the crime control establishment, all Uniersity professors and employees, and every employee of all publically traded companies, and every person employed by the MSM. 

 

The dead and doomed are irrelevant. If you have an establishment job, you'll obey and ask no vital questions.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:40 | 6829511 blindman
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/jimmy-carter-is-correct-t_b_79...
Jimmy Carter Is Correct That the U.S. Is No Longer a Democracy
Posted: 08/03/2015 11:48 am EDT
.
On July 28, Thom Hartmann interviewed former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, and, at the very end of his show (as if this massive question were merely an afterthought), asked him his opinion of the 2010 Citizens United decision and the 2014 McCutcheon decision, both decisions by the five Republican judges on the U.S. Supreme Court. These two historic decisions enable unlimited secret money (including foreign money) now to pour into U.S. political and judicial campaigns. Carter answered:

It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it's just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or being elected president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members. So, now we've just seen a subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect, and sometimes get, favors for themselves after the election is over. ... At the present time the incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody that is already in Congress has a great deal more to sell." ...
.
it is the money "system", man.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:56 | 6829011 TeamDepends
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So the obvious solution is to open the floodgates of unvetted Syrian "refugees".

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:00 | 6829037 Bay of Pigs
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No doubt. Where do they come up with these old fucking assholes from the CIA anyway?

They don't even lie good anymore...

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:16 | 6829100 G.O.O.D
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Lessee, I bet I could make it probably 10 minutes sitting in a room and listening to this ugly old washed up stinking exspook b/4 i had to strangle the living shit out of him.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:02 | 6829043 TBT or not TBT
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This is confusing.  Islam is Peace, so I get importing lots of Muslims, but aren't they Islamic over there?   Peace should break out any moment over there, like, spontaneously, right?   

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:28 | 6829174 TeamDepends
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In case you were worried we weren't circling the drain fast enough, we present this unbridled lunami (a tsunami of lunacy) wherein Democrats are touting the praises of..............wait for it............W!!!!!!! Republicans are, for the most part, repulsive but Democrats, well, words fail....http://moonbattery.com/?p=65559

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:44 | 6829250 nmewn
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So...not Bush's fault?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:57 | 6829319 TBT or not TBT
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Yes and no.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:00 | 6829335 TeamDepends
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We know! Is there anything Democrats won't say?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:33 | 6829195 Dick Buttkiss
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Sunnis and Shiites hate each other far more than they hate Christians, Jews, or anyone else.

If it weren't for oil, the USG wouldn't give a flyiing fuck if they anihilated each other.

Instead, it conspires with them in ways far beyond its ability to comprehend, much less navigate.

Thus is the US ship of state heading for the shoals of its destruction, the only question being how much of the country and the outside world it takes down with it.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:53 | 6829292 ross81
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thats bullshit Western propaganda that Shiites hate Sunnis and vice versa. In the same way that the Brits stirred up Protestant hatred of Catholics in Ulster for centuries, the US/Israel/Saudi does the same with Sunnis vs Shiites on a much bigger scale in the Middle East. Divide and Conquer.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:02 | 6829342 TBT or not TBT
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Wow, that's like twelve or thirteen centuries of history you're setting out to rewrite.  

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:37 | 6829729 WillyGroper
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Yup.

Worship together in my city.

Biggest disagreement is who's better looking.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:12 | 6829392 TBT or not TBT
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Without oil, they'd be a curiosity for National Geographic photoshoots and anthropology nerds, and there would be about 200 times less of them. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:38 | 6829222 sgt_doom
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Or not. . . .

The Swedes They Must Be Crazy

Gov. Inslee of Washington state, and various reporters, would have us believe that the Vietnamese refugee situation is the same as the Syrian refugee situation, which has resulted from a 10-year program by the CIA and the Pentagon to oust Assad from power in Syria.

Don't recall the Vietnamese ever returning to Asia to partake in barbarieties against women, and the kill and head-chopping of Christians, non-Sunni Muslims and gays, etc.?

We are told that the Syrian refugees are "fleeing radical Muslims" yet those who have left America, the Americas, and Europe to fight with ISIS, were originally granted political asylum because they claimed they were "fleeing readical Muslims"!

What's wrong with this picture?

In Sweden and Denmark they allow the barbaric head-choppers to return from their tours with ISIS, offering them "PTSD counseling" as if they were returning valiant warriors, instead of the psychos who perpetrated horrors on the women, Christians and non-Sunni Muslims in Syria and Iraq!

Surely no Swedish passport holders, nor Danish passport holders should be allowed into America given this situation.

[Sidebar: Sweden is the very same country which has spent a fortune in trying to extradite WikiLeaks' Julian Assange for questioning in the possibility that a condom he wore -- while having consensual sex -- may have broken! And they created an entirely new law just to prosecute him should they be successful in said extradition. Now tell me that isn't insanely bizarre?]

Of course, the second part of the argument is that some of these terrorists in France were French nationals, so therefore it's alright to allow in future head-choppers?

No, that is a most specious and nonsensical reasoning, and France does enforce its watch list, as everyone should recall from the foiled attempt by the Nigerian underwear bomber, the fellow that French airport security banned from a flight to the USA.

It was the traitorous CIA swine from the American embassy which overrode French airport security and ushered the underwear bomber aboard the airliner --- even though he had no passport, no luggage, a one-way ticket, and was on the watch list?!?!?!?!?

We know this from French witnesses at the French airport, and American witnesses aboard that commercial airliner (even though the traitorous FBI had "ordered" the Americans to keep quiet).

And who will be vetting those Syrian refugees? The traitorous CIA and the traitorous FBI (don't forget, the CIA and NSA were tracking the Sunni hijackers on 9/11/01 up until they hijacked those airliners, and the FBI was given repeated warnings about the impending hijackings by its field agents)?

Then people such as the mayor of Dallas, and David Ross, the faux crat at KIRO in Seattle, that they are more scared of crazy white men going into theaters and shooting at people --- and so am I, but at least I realize that it was and is corrupt elements in the government who dumped the mentally ill upon the streets of America and further restricted social services for them, which is the root cause of the problem, the very same type of government which attempts to destabilize the Syrian government, forcing untold numbers of refugees to flee to foreign countries.

And now they wish to lecture to us when they are the source of the problem?

I recall hearing David Ross of KIRO gush at least once on the air about the previous president of the University of Washington, Michael Young.

That's the very same Michael Young who wrote the legal brief as an intern for Supreme Court Justice Rehnquist in 1978 to dump the mentally ill onto the streets of America --- and he's rewarded for it!

Somehow, they always want more and more diverse peoples to flood America, negating the possibility of any future power blocks, especially as religionists tend to vote conservatively, but they never seem to embrace diversity at the upper most echelons, now do they?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:05 | 6829359 earleflorida
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Chief Justice 'Rehnquist', was nominated by Reagan under the advice of Bush #41 his VP!

Chief Justice 'Roberts' was nominated by Bush #43 under the advise of VP Cheney!

The Chief Justice controls the docket for what the SCOTUS will hear/take under consideration.

FOR LIFE,... til death do we Part!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:42 | 6830141 cheka
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the biggerst threat to the pigmen:  the armed US populace that is slowly but steadily discovering the truth about the bloodthirsty liars in nyc/dc

that's why every event results in attacks from nyc/dc on this demo

which is why most (all?) of these events are created

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:41 | 6829741 o r c k
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Be gentle with Sweden, they're the rape capital of Europe (and almost the world) and still can't get enough Muslim immigrants. Maybe centuries ago, some civilization secretly emptied all their mental hospitals and put the inmates in the wasteland of frozen Sweden. It's as explanatory as ANY theory I've heard.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:56 | 6829014 economessed
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Someone get this guy a rainbow-colored terror alert chart to hand out to the news media!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:57 | 6829020 souljaboy
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Good thing Bob Hope is gone. He wouldn't know where to go to entertain the troops at Christmans.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:57 | 6829021 stant
stant's picture

He's a company man , he should know company policy

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:05 | 6829064 prymythirdeye
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Exactly, and he always will be.  Here he is, still playing his part and stirring the pot.

Go fuck yourself Devine

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:04 | 6829604 nosam
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There are no ex-CIA or ex-military ... definitely not at the top levels, They still work for the system.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:06 | 6829066 Bay of Pigs
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He sure as hell  does. Look at his watch...Chile, Contra's and the Taliban. A real sweetheart spreading democracy around the world. LOL.

"Jack Devine’s career at the CIA spanned from the late 1960s to the early 1990s, including the fall of President Salvador Allende in Chile in 1973, the Iran-Contra scandal in the mid-1980s, and the fight to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the late 1980s. Devine retired after serving as both the Acting Director and Associate Director of the CIA’s operations outside the United States, a capacity in which he had supervisory authority over thousands of CIA employees involved in sensitive missions throughout the world."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Devine

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:51 | 6829276 sgt_doom
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Thanks and Devine is the lying traitorous scum and sack of shit who helped put mass murderer Augusto Pinochet into power.  And mass murdering former Nazis, who had been able to escape as they were helped by psycho, Allen Dulles, ended up in Chile acting as advisors to psycho Pinochet and his secret police!

He claims the CIA had nothing to do with the overthrow of Salvador Allende, but declassified information contradicts his lies and filth.

Over 30,000 people disappeared, tortured to death and murdered most horrendously, and the killers weren't particularly discriminating as to nationality; Americans were also kidnapped and tortured to death!

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB470/

 

The release of the records comes amidst renewed debate over the CIA role in supporting the military coup in Chile. The forthcoming issue of Foreign Affairs contains an article by former CIA operative Jack Devine, "What Really Happened in Chile: the CIA, the Coup Against Allende, and the Rise of Pinochet," which reveals that intelligence he obtained on September 9, 1973, alerted President Nixon in advance to the timing of the coup. "I sent CIA headquarters in Langley a special type of top-secret cable known as a CRITIC, which takes priority over all other cables and goes directly to the highest levels of government. President Richard Nixon and other top U.S. policymakers received it immediately. 'A coup attempt will be initiated on 11 September,' the cable read."

Nevertheless, Devine asserts that the CIA "did not plot with the Chilean military to overthrow Allende in 1973."

 

Recommended reading:

The Pinochet File, by Peter Kornbluh

Story of a Death Foretold, by Oscar Guardiola-River

The Devil's Chessboard, by David Talbot

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:04 | 6829352 Ms No
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+1

... and nobody gave a shit because THE COMMIES WERE COMING!!!  Which was probably complete BS, people should be seeing a pattern by now.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:45 | 6829751 Rusty Shorts
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+1000 sgt doom

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 18:59 | 6829031 Chupacabra1977
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Devine sounds like a jew name....short for Devinestein.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:00 | 6829039 Squid Viscous
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thank god we had heroes like him during the Cold War, otherwise we would all be speaking___ and waiting in line for ___

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:01 | 6829041 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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"There is nothing that can be compared with nuclear weapons and their use."

That's not true, ex-CIA apologist dude. Frankly, March 10th 2008 Bear Stearns time New York shitty can be compared with nuclear weapons, and their use, but you are just too stooopid, and ignorant, and old, to see it, fucktard AssClown.

Up yours, retired ex-CIA motherfuckers.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:05 | 6829060 iClaudius
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"Devine cited the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) as an unprecedented threat in terms of its wanton disregard for human life..."
Finally the US government has progeny it can be proud of.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:52 | 6829290 sgt_doom
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As the readers of Real American History can attest, ISIS is truly the spawn of the Great Satan!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:28 | 6829075 blindman
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an equivalent threat to that of a group or individual
that has "no concern for self preservation" is
a group or individual that has no fear of accounting,
opaque, and no oversight by public review to the
extent the public is affected.
i call the pot and kettle "black", no?
except, the kettle is much bigger than the pot,
what is a cook to do with all this odor in the kitchen?
clean and disinfect.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:12 | 6829088 Dre4dwolf
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ISIS = S.S. = Nazi = Obamas Racist Wet Dream

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:20 | 6829127 surf0766
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How else does anyone explain the don't bomb them orders

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:53 | 6829295 sgt_doom
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Naaah, the USA (epecially the CIA, DIA, NSA, etc.) has been a Nazi bastion long before our present sock puppet in the White House.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:18 | 6829099 Yen Cross
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 What a lunatic! This guys last name is the ultimate oxymoron of 'American Statesmanship' over the last 30-40 years.

 The fucking .gov is so deep down the "well of excuses", that now they have to pull old cold war relics out of retirement for their propaganda purposes.

 

 That guy looks like a cross between Sylvester Stallone, and Bush Senior, with a little inbred Jed sprinkled in.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:21 | 6829131 blindman
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/jimmy-carter-is-correct-t_b_79...
Jimmy Carter Is Correct That the U.S. Is No Longer a Democracy
Posted: 08/03/2015 11:48 am EDT
On July 28, Thom Hartmann interviewed former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, and, at the very end of his show (as if this massive question were merely an afterthought), asked him his opinion of the 2010 Citizens United decision and the 2014 McCutcheon decision, both decisions by the five Republican judges on the U.S. Supreme Court. These two historic decisions enable unlimited secret money (including foreign money) now to pour into U.S. political and judicial campaigns. Carter answered:

It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it's just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or being elected president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members. So, now we've just seen a subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect, and sometimes get, favors for themselves after the election is over. ... At the present time the incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody that is already in Congress has a great deal more to sell." ...
.
it is the money "system", man.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:47 | 6829267 LibertarianMenace
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And to Carter I would suggest that the antidote is to reduce the returns to bribery by dispersing and decentralizing .guv authority. Doubtless he's convinced of the opposite, and so remains a fool.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:55 | 6829303 sgt_doom
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You see this interview between former DIA director (it's not my job), Michael Flynn and al Jazeera?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4


Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:18 | 6829113 Lumberjack
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You get what you pay for.../s

 

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:20 | 6829122 Rakksan
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Or, you get what you vote for.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:15 | 6829404 Lumberjack
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Vote for? Are you serious?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 05:11 | 6830596 Zwelgje
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"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

Emma Goldman

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:21 | 6829135 One Eyed Jack
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Too bad the CIA folks don't get retired like the mafiosos get retired

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:24 | 6829156 Herdee
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He means that he helped murder a lot of innocent people while the CIA set up their puppet regimes across the Southern Hemisphere.The brutal dictatorships were also set up by Henry Kissinger who is a wanted man throughout Central and South America along with many other American politicians and State Department Officials who are guilty of helping torture and murder many who are still missing today.Many of these countries were worse than the Nazis during WW2 for human rights violations.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 00:46 | 6830283 RevIdahoSpud3
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Well if they were murdered of course they would still be missing today?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:28 | 6829171 Legolas
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Wonder if the guy below is on to something?

Watching in order, to introduce the pieces:

1.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUV0JhDa_0

2.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJhgkm-0rmg

3.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkYTjGc6fI8

 

And then the following two:

 

4.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8YXClKkRhU

5.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_vvjtEoV2o

 

I think he goes overboard with some of the details, but CHI certainly makes sense !

 

 

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:15 | 6829407 blindman
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so far 4 minutes in and the guy is
grand, hilarious.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:08 | 6829613 Crocodile
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CME is not in the Willis Tower; it is close, but not in it.  MAJOR ERROR.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:29 | 6829175 Chuckster
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When this thing blows up (I hope everything isn't glassed over).  The survivors will be the ones that can build something or grow food.  The worthless majority who never produced anything anyway are going to die a painful death.  Oh well....so much for political payoffs.  As long as society can be milked everything goes along and the checks keep coming.  I keep seeing on this website that Islam is peace.  Fairy tales should be seen as fairy tales.

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:17 | 6829413 Crocodile
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But the moles come out of their holes and start the something over again.  Rinse & repeat.  Reconciled to Jesus?  Hope so, since He is the way, the truth and the source of eternal life or death.

 

Meet Crossrail's giant tunnelling machines  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z38JIqGDZVU

 

 

TBM/Tunneling Video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx_EjMlLgqY

 

 

World's largest Underground City Full Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aHR8TZvuPI


Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:38 | 6829184 earleflorida
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Quote: "Instead, in March 2009, Obama declared that the U.S. would now take the fight to the Taliban in the south and south-east for two reasons:  to provide time and space for the Kabul government to build up its security forces, and to convince the Taliban that resistance did not pay. The first of the two reasons was eerily reminiscent of the "Vietnamization" of a war in Vietnam by U.S. president Richard Nixon, who decided to build up the military of the corrupt and ineffectual government in South Vietnam to fight the Vietcong guerrillas after U.S. troop withdrawal. His policy failed.

               Whatever the rationale. Obama's decision made America a fully fledged party to the long-lasting civil war in Afghanistan which dated back to the split in the People's Democratic Party in 1978. This is precisely what U.S. president Lyndon Johnson did in March 1965 when he dispatched  Marines to South Vietnam, so embroiling Americain in an eleven-year civil war. Johnson argued that he had no option but to escalate the war in Vietnam to contain international communism; now Obama presented his decision as an essential step in the fight  against International Islamist terrorism"

end quote   "Apocalyptic Realm : Jihadist in South Asia" by Dilip Hiro c.2012 

pgs.264-65 Chapter XII "Afghanistan: A Second Vietnam (sect. Obama's Counterinsurgency Strategy)

Note: Afghanistan (Pakistan) is the epicenter regarding the war on the "World's", Islam Salafist Sunni (deobandi-sunni madrassas) jihadist radicals

Note2: this book, is a must read

Ps: just let your mind free to follow the inequities of the USSA diabolical 'foreign policy', totally hostage to the Pentagon( CIA/FBI/NSA ~ infinity and beyond!?!) 

 

 

 


Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:40 | 6829196 Grandad Grumps
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Sure, but people are realizing that the CIA/Israelis are behind EVERYTHING... well the banks and the masters of the bank are behind the CIA/Israel.

Yes, it is dangerous for everyone, but only because ISIS is being used by those who do not want to be known for attacking the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. They still want to be hidden for now.

Figure it out. Syria is being attacked, just like Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan because they did not have a BIS tied and controlled central bank. 3 out of 4 now have BIS tied central banks ... the fourth is the only country left of the lot with independence. They want to create their global empire by subterfuge and where they cannot create it by subterfuge, they do it by force through corruptable puppet regimes, such as have existed in the US since Reagan.

... it is much more complicated than this, but to understand this small part is enougn for now.

ISIS is a total fraud.
The attacks on the west are done at the behest of the CIA/Israel and banks for a purpose. The attack on Paris was done by the CIA/Israel/banks with the cooperation of the French government.

It is a very dangeroud time indeed. If they cannot control us, they will try to murder us.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:42 | 6829950 blindman
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don't be so gloomy, even the crazies
can support a wet dream.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:39 | 6829200 NuYawkFrankie
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Let's apply a syllogism:

1) “You have a group in ISIS today that is frankly uncivilized" - Former CIA Head Devine
2) ISIS is a creature of the USSA
3) THERFORE, the USSA is "frankly uncivilized"

Or, as put more succinctly in Mathew 7:16 -
"By their fruits you shall know them"

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:41 | 6829233 Grandad Grumps
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The US government no longer represents the US people. The US people may be naive and corruptable, but they are not evil. The government is evil.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:48 | 6829272 Crocodile
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"There is none who do good, no not one"...but what does Jesus know? 

 

Most people who have lived and are living now will be in the same hell because unlike man; God shows no partiality when it comes to evil/sin; a little evil is still evil in His sight and he has an enforceable zero-tolerance policy.  Heaven will have zero evil..heaven will have zero evil people..will you be in heaven?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:23 | 6829449 Sparkey
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I'll be in Heaven Crocodile, My Pastor has deemed me 'Rapture Ready' I have my ticket so I'm ready, excited, nervous, but ready, just awaiting my call. Pastor says I'm good to go, as long as i keep up my payments I'll stay in the good book.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 21:50 | 6829766 Crocodile
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Sounds like a cult; salvation is a free gift.  It is not I that you mocked - BTW.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:38 | 6829935 blindman
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i heard today, "amen and awomen,
god wasn't a single parent."
any way

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:03 | 6830014 Chuckster
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$29.95 down and you too can be saved!  Muslims get part of the loot.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:02 | 6830009 Chuckster
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I need that 900 number

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:29 | 6829349 NuYawkFrankie
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Spot on.
The ZIO-Con USSA Regime - squatting in Mordor On The Potomac - is NOT to be confused with the U.S.A. of the people.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:34 | 6829204 Mewa
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What we need is some good old fashion death squads just like back in the 70's S. America with a few good strong leaders towing the US/CIA line....if a few people disappear then so what...they were radicals, commies, socialists, and queers.....

 

We need structured systematic terrorism in the name of the US govt.....

 

Who the fuck is this guy kidding.....

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:42 | 6829220 Son of Captain Nemo
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"I have never felt more uncomfortable than I do today," warns former CIA Director Jack Devine, saying that, with "frankly uncivilized" ISIS, there is a greater risk of violence worldwide than ever before."When you have a small group of people who are willing to lose their lives and kill anyone they can, we’re all vulnerable."

 

Hey Jack "off"!

Thanks so much for your contributions both past and present for creating the very terrorists that you mention are so uncivilized!

But no worries right?...

We are protected by your clandestine organization with it's purpose and legacy of sowing chaos through the destruction of sovereign foreign lands that refuse to take our money and our "banks" in order to get whatever it is we want,  whenever we want it no matter what the stakes the money or the human lives involved!!!

My question to you is, what do we do when we have no more allies that can be coerced through terrorist acts like we are now perpetrating in Paris and Belgium because they won't line up in NATO's effort(s) in Ukraine?... Would have mentioned the train station full of people you blew up in Volgograd, the terrorists you set lose in Belsan and the bloody coup in Kiev that has killed more than 60,000 since you and the DOS and the U.S. military were invovled with orchestrating while Russia was hosting a Winter Olympics... But what's the point when you have no soul or conscience?!!!

Job well done sir! Those Patriot Act(s) and NDAA Section(s) 1021 and 1022 are your greatest achievement in the department of total chaos and destruction following your efforts on September 11, 2001.

Give Ray McGovern your colleague of Code Pink a big "Pax vobiscum"!!!

We know he's been smarting the last couple of weeks since he was a guest on RT's Cross Talk singing the praises of what a consumate diplomat President Obama has been with the Syrian crisis and was roundly destroyed by Pete Lavelle and the rest of the guests on that program.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:58 | 6829322 sgt_doom
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+ 1,000

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:48 | 6829271 geno-econ
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This is getting scary in that one or two more attacks will result in travel freezes, flow of Middle East oil and result in huge increase in military as well as Homeland security costs.  A depression or economic collapse a real possibility   Perhaps time for a Peace Conference of all interested parties.  The US started this shit and should be the first to call for a Peace Conference.  Macho talk will  only make things worse.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:59 | 6829995 Chuckster
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Prince Charles straightened all this out today.  The root of the problem is global warming....gees guys...you can't make this stuff up.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:56 | 6829310 moonmac
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We can print trillions out of thin air at the drop of a hat but we can't kill a small group of terrorists. Got it!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:00 | 6829336 sgt_doom
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Or, we pour billions of dollars every year into the CIA, NSA, and DIA, and only a poor old fart such as myself can figure out that Bilal Erdogan is the ISIS connection to oil trading (Turkish president, Erdogan's son) and Erdogan's daughter is with ISIS?

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:57 | 6829315 Venice
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I never post here, but I read everyday.

You all here have the absolute BEST insight and intellect on the entire web.

Please keep it up for people like me, who is struggling to make sense of our inevitable economic crash.  Thanks  :)

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:57 | 6829317 Falconsixone
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Drop dead traitor.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:00 | 6829333 Atomizer
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Jack,

I will blow up your cover in terms of being hired as a PR management consultant. There are three shady groups. It will be easy to expose you. Come clean.

Let's start out with crisis management and work up to the shady group hiring you/others. Ex military people are used for propaganda.

What a discrace you are to this country. Again, we know the three shady groups. 

strategic crisis management © oecd

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 02:09 | 6830421 Otrader
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Are these guys paid to appear on the MSM shows?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 20:10 | 6829385 bunnyswanson
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Blame is to be placed on the entities assigned with the duty of PROTECTING our heroes, not killing them.  And you know exaactly what I am talking about.  Or do I have to drag a list of dead presidents and politicians into the comment section.  CIA, Secret Service and the other agencies funded by tax dollars to do this job, aided and abetted in their murder.  It does not get any more corrupt than that.  How much money were the SS agents paid on the day JFK was killed to stand back and watch the greatest fucking man on earth get shot in the brain in front of the his wife and the world?  HOW MUCH DID YOU SELL US OUT FOR YOU PRICK OF A MAN?  fuck you all.  And fuck the military too for taking the side of low lifes who throughout history are documented as being NOTHING BUT TROUBLE.  Men of poor character brought us to this day and YOU are one of them.  "For the record" confessions is what this is. 

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