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In New Video, A Grateful Al-Qaeda Thanks US For Supplying Anti-Tank Missiles
On September 30, just hours after a three star Russian general strolled into the US embassy in Baghdad and told the staff to inform Washington that Moscow would begin airstrikes in Syria “in one hour”, the Western media was alive with accusations that The Kremlin wasn’t targeting ISIS, but rather other, US and Saudi-backed rebel groups fighting Assad’s depleted SAA. Here’s what WSJ said at the time:
“Among seven areas that Syrian state media listed as targets of Russian strikes, only one—an area east of the town of Salamiyah in Hama province—has a known presence of Islamic State fighters. The other areas listed are largely dominated by moderate rebel factions or Islamist groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham and the al Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front.”
Yes, “moderate rebel factions such as the al-Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front.”
Put simply, the US had become so desperate to preserve whatever was left of the strategy to overthrow Assad, that Washington had the mainstream media floating trial balloons to see if the public would accept the characterization of al-Qaeda as “moderate.”
Generally speaking, most Americans didn’t notice, presumably because they were too busy ogling at Russian fighter jets and/or Islamic State’s latest Hollywood special (which at the time was a clip of an SAA fighter being run over by a tank), but for anyone who did pick up on the fact that the mainstream US media had just officially (and posthumously) labeled Osama Bin Laden a “moderate”, the farce was complete.
To anyone who frequents these pages - and to anyone who has endeavored to question the official narrative - the fact that the US now counts al-Nusra as a de facto ally came as no surprise. The Saudis and Qatar have backed al-Nusra virtually from the beginning, and the US is all for anything that destabilizes Assad, even if it means funneling guns and money to the very same group that flew passenger jets into skyscrapers on American soil. And let’s not forget that this wouldn’t be the first time Washington has backed al-Qaeda. The US has had lots of practice in getting arms to the Mujahideen - see the Soviet-Afghan war, for example.
None of this is a secret, which is what makes it so astonishing that the Western public is largely clueless despite the efforts of people like Hawaii congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard and Georgia Republican Austin Scott.
Of course Washington isn’t as vocal in its support of al-Nusra as it is in its enthusiasm for the “moderate” opposition group of choice, the Free Syrian Army. As we’ve documented extensively, the FSA has received anti-tank weapons from The Pentagon over the past two months so that they may counter the advance on Aleppo by Hezbollah and the IRGC. Given that the very same Iran-backed Shiite militias the FSA is fighting in Syria are also fighting ISIS in Iraq, the fact that the US is supplying the FSA with weapons to kill them is nothing short of ridiculous. Here’s how we described the situation last month:
The US is now supplying anti-tank weapons and other munitions to the rebels fighting in Aleppo and those weapons are being used to kill these very same Shiite militiamen who are driving US tanks, fighting alongside the Iraqi army, and indirectly receiving US assistance just across the border in Iraq.
So thanks to Washington's twisted foreign policy, they are friends on one side of the Syria-Iraq border and mortal enemies on the other.
Well now, in what can only be described as an embarrassment of truly epic proportions, al-Qaeda has released a video thanking the FSA for supplying al-Nusra with American-made TOWs. Here’s Sputnik:
The Al-Nusra Front, Al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, has released a grateful video, where they openly thank the Free Syrian Army (FSA), which the US has touted as a “moderate opposition group”, for supplying them with US-made anti-tank TOW missiles (“Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided").
A recently released video shows an Al-Nusra Front field commander thanking the FSA commanders for giving his forces TOW missiles, according to a report released by the Iranian news agency FARS.
The agency reminds readers that the two groups, the Al-Nusra and the FSA, formed an alliance in March, the Army of Conquest, or Jaish al-Fatah in Arabic, to fight against the forces of President Assad.
Since then, they have fought together “at almost every single battle in Aleppo, Lattakia, Hama, and Idlib Governorates of Syria.”
Through this alliance several militant groups like the Al-Nusra Front and the Ahrar al-Sham movement have been given access to FSA's US-made heavy weaponry, which has been supplied to the militant group by the US, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
According to the agency’s estimates, Saudi Arabia sent 500 TOW missiles to Al-Nusra directly last month.
Obviously, this is the very definition of absurdity. It would be bad enough if the US were supplying TOWs to anyone in Syria. But this is Washington and Riyadh handing anti-tank missiles to forces that are firing them at the Iranians who are operating under cover of Russian airstrikes. Just to drive that home: the US is waging war against Iran and Russia with but one degree of separation.
That's the big picture.
But as mentioned above, this is also ridiculous because The Pentagon is killing the same people in Syria that the US-trained Iraqi army depends on to rout ISIS across the border in Iraq. And when we say "the same people", we mean the exact same Shiite militias. Every Iran-backed militiaman that's killed in Syria by a US-made weapon is one less militiaman that will return to Iraq to fight ISIS, which is of course fine with Saudi Arabia and Qatar because they're opposed to Iranian influence in Baghdad in the first place.
Finally, the idea that the US is fighting al-Nusra in Syria is not only untrue, it's actually the complete opposite of what's really going on on the ground.
Hopefully no one from al-Qaeda ends up firing a TOW at a Paris cafe.
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Fuck the US government.
CUNTS. All of them
Didn't our government tell us that the 9-11 attacks were "allegedly" conducted by al-Qaeda, acting in accord with the 1998 fatwa issued against the U.S. and its allies by persons under the command of bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, and others. Evidence points to suicide squads led by al-Qaeda military commander Mohamed Atta as the culprits of the attacks, with bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and Hambali as the key planners and part of the political and military command.
And now we are openly arming the very same group who are our sworn enemies.
The BS is running deep and vast from Washington...
Relax. They're only stealing weapons to create Safe Spaces for the Sensitive jihadis so they can bang their foreheads on the ground, get a bruise to make them look "spiritual" and spew unintelligible moaning from a tower 57 times a day. Remember: its a religion of PEACE
not long now till enough is enough and SHTF
F U Nulander
You will get your’s one day.
Hey, y’know.. if I found a TOW dropped on my front lawn.. I could easily set it up and sight it on a passing L.E. armored vehicle.. right?
Holy old ass anti-tank missiles. We haven't use those for at least two decades. Iraq I was the last time the TOW was used in the US military. We use what is called the Javelin now.
I doubt those came out of the US. The internet says they are coming out of Saudi Arabia. and why would they have two different systems pictured calling them both TOW's? TOW is a very specific missile.
Yes, I haven't seen them in service in a very very long time. These are probably 1980s surplus that they wanted to get off the shelf.
Yet another win for Putin
Unfortunately, people don't care or listen. I remember when I was selling sunglasses on the beach in my early 20's, I would say "These lenses filter in only the most harmful radiation". No one, absolutely no one, caught my stupid joke. It's the whole Mark Dice thing.
Generally speaking, most Americans didn’t notice, presumably because they were too busy ....
- ogling at ads for Black Friday
- trying to figure out if white lives matter
- voting for someone on X Factor
- waiting for John Oliver to tell them what to think
- getting high
- working and trying to raise their kids
More like:
Trying to impress some person that might validate them
Trying to find out if someone is worth getting validated by
Worrying that they will never get laid again
Trying to figure out where they should spend every last cent
Just being high.
Hmmm.. pull that thing with a string
That sounds strangely familiar..
But WTF… at least they don’t have the latest and greatest..
And.. I wouldn’t mind having a couple of them stored in the basement for the next decade or so..
?? Do they use lithium batteries like the ones that “expired” fot the Afghanistan Mujahidin?
er.. Taliban.. er, Al CIA-da, er ISIS, er, IS Levant er, your friendly neighborhood oppressive STATE.,
Hi Vicky.. we see you...........
oops..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CTadlvmYig
You dress me up, I'm your puppet
You buy me things, I love it
You bring me food, I need it
You give me love, I feed it
And look at the two of us in sympathy
With everything we see
I never want anything, it's easy
You buy whatever I need
But look at my hopes, look at my dreams
The currency we've spent
I love you, you pay my rent
- Pet Shop Boys, Rent
A great video to show your uninformed family this Thanksgiving. And then ask them why they think a government evil enough to give anti-tank missiles to al-Qaeda wouldn't rig an election to keep themselves in power.
Well, now that everything is digital third party electronically controlled, we can trust the results, right?
Heaven forbid we should ever get a trustless, hashed blockchain system for voting.. oh.. and a verified citizenship, not that it matters anymore.
"There is no nation on earth so dangerous as a nation fully armed, and bankrupt at home." - Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge (1916)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/prince-charles-syrias-war-linked-to-...
Sounds like he's either an idiot ... or ... a big carbon credit tax stakeholder/shareholder also.
Aha !!!!!!!
Now I understand the locked down/ no protest U.N. Paris summit...
The Furhers are allowed to do what they please (when acceptable to the global corporations).
How convenient that a massacre, planned by a 27 year old f-up sand monkey "MASTERMIND' happened just in time to lock down the conference.
It's not as if the concert mow-down wasn't done by skilled operatives.
Algore is a happy jet clown.
So what’s a few hundred happy Caucasians to matter when the earth is about to melt away because of your old light bulbs and SUV?
Um.. WTF?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/prince-charles-syrias-war-linked-to-...
Another Inconvenient Truth? New NASA Study Finds Antarctica Is Gaining Ice
CO 2 Levels Hit Record High for 30th Year in a Row
Studies flip 'climate change' notions upside down...
Lake Tahoe snow blasted with 'most in years'...
Paris deal 'not legally binding'...
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I this the video you are referring to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilZ1GIniYx0
Man run over by tank. Not censored. According to Tyler "everybody" has seen this.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/new-isis-islamic-state-execution-video-tan...
Why no one uses French missles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by97YbRFpjM
Holy Shit!!
That is the Peugeot of weapons.
Probably that last one for most honest folk...that and knowing ALL governments suck...all we can do is what is best for us and ours...screw the rest.
"- waiting for John Oliver to tell them what to think"
If more people thought as well as Oliver does, the world would be a better place; unfortunately, too many opt for the likes of FOX & CNN & other MSM blatherers to tell them what to think.
by now they would only be moderately explosive?
Depends, they might blow up on the launcher, or not detonate at all. Corrosion and moisture does funny things to old munitions.
Hey if they kill them twice that's like what 144 virgins. I say go for it.
'Course if I had 144 virgins at once I'd feel like I died twice too, man.
A strange reward, that's for sure. Gimme a slut for mine. Just a couple will do.
? HuH ??
Was that a pair of 72 year old virgins that look like a slut, er.. Hitlery?
How gross.
You should wash those hands after an outburst like that! And don't forget the keyboard.
Nastier than all the clumsy virgins by far!
I just never want to pass up the chance to slam the wannabe slut-in chief.
?? Did you catch the GROSS joke ?
The numb nuts are exposed when they use them and with forward spotters in place they will be taken by air strikes.
"You sure gotta hand it to those commies."
"Yeah. Those trucks almost look like the real thing.
"I wonder where they got 'em from?"
"Probably bought them from the Army as war surplus."
Dr. Strangelove, Minute 37:10
Vodka.. never water... that's what the commies drink....
preserve your essential fluids
and don't play games in the War Room.
If you ever needed any more proof the US has been taken over by a bunch of Satanic Oligarch Globalists, using the old "from Order, Chaos" doctrine, look no further all the US actions in Syria.
Two words. REVOLUTION NOW!
Satanists are a sect of pagans descended from European Celts that worshipped Cernunnos/Satan. They are not the Order out of Chaos guys.
The Order out of Chaos guys are the Semitics. The moon worshippers from a place called Ur. From a specific city called Urusalem. We call it Jerusalem these days.
Start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSlfm_LILy8
That will catch you up to speed who the Order out of Chaos guys are.
That's not correct, sorry.
We all know they are shapeshifting Lizards.
Psychopaths, but same difference.
I just prefer to believe a human couldn't act like that when I've met so many that aren't like that. Easier to believe they're Lizards. Who knows might be true might not be true but it is a better explanation for the way the world has panned out than random chance.
That's the problem- you're appling a moral code that you abide by to people who do not.
Exactly, they are not European of descent. They have nothing in common with Germanic or Celtic peoples. They merely live on our lands and work to destroy us from within.
Yes, it is. Christinity is not native to Europe, no matter how you religious ideolugues want to try and rewrite history. It's still a Jewish god that you are worshipping.
Satanism is a pagan practice that has been around for hundreds of centuries. It has nothing to do with Christianity or Abrahamic faiths. Even the Judaic faith describes Satan as the god of a foreigner. Celts are foreign to Semitics, and at one time, all of Europe was under Celtic control. Jews at one time were pagans also.
Your digression into ancient druidism has no bearing on current events or the short-hand narratives used to communicate motives or intents of oppositional forces. Clearly "Satanic Oligarch" refers to immoral individuals who place their desires for power by any means above the moral norms of civilized society. I would categorize you as a pedant except that your use of facts is incorrect, “all of Europe” has never been celtic or celtic controlled, because SPQR.
The Romans were a bump in the road when the Celts ruled Europe. The Celts were ruling Europe 2000 years before the Romans even climbed out of their fishing boats, they even stole Celtic traditions and laguages to call their own, it's called Latin. Even the Greeks at the height of their power feared the Celts, and even post Thermopylae were getting beaten regularly by the Celts.
If you aren't aware of this, then I have to doubt anything you have to say about European history. It's pretty common knowledge that the Latins/Celts were the first great European Civilization in recorded history. They were so feared that the Saracens called their anti-Christ a red haired devil with one eye. A Tuscan man, of Latin/Celtic decent. The ROmans called them Latins and Gauls, and some were Saxons and Britons. They were all Celtic though.
It's insulting to say that anyone is immoral because they are Satanic. The deity being portrayed as Satan is an attack on European culture. You're being anti-European pushing that nonsense.
Can you doubt this map showing maximal celtic expansion 275BC falls short of total European dominance?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts#/media/File:Celts_in_Europe.png
That looks like European dominance to me, especially considering they were the only people in that region at the time.
That makes them the largest power in Europe at the time. The Nords didn't even exist during that period, and the Proto-Germans come from Celtic stock. Are you catching on yet? They were the most powerful nation in Europe for a rather long time. So powerful that even until the days of the Roman Empire they still dominated most of Europe.
How many other nations were that prevalent then? No nations could defeat them in battle. Not even the sacred Spartans were able to beat them.
This still doesn't make you correct, Satan is what the Jews call one of the Celtic gods of war. Quit worhsipping the Jews man. Have some self respect and pride in your people FFS.
You said, "all of Europe" which was an easily proven lie. You take pride in being a tiny subversive voice for the Global Satanic Oligarchs, pardon, European Celtic Judist, so please continue rambling out of context and to irrelevant ends.
You think they didn't control all of Europe, because they didn't live in all of Europe? The distinction I made was very clear.
Do you realize how simplestic and ignorant that sounds? The US doesn't occupy or live in the rest of the world, but it does control most of it.
Your personal attacks just show how fucking petty you are, and how small your mind is in comparison to your ego. Anything else you have to say is the argument of a loser, and can just be labelled as semantics from a loser, and a poor loser at that. I hope you never, or didn't, have kids. The one thing the world could use less of is fucking losers like you.
Here I thought actually sharing knowledge with you wouldn't be a waste of my time, and then you shit stains wonder why no one wants to talk to you. Why you seek validation online instead of the real world, it's quite obvious to me why in your case. Good day to you jackass.
Ahh, no they were not.
Ordo ab chao -> Freemasonry -> Occult + Kabbalah (in other words, 'Jewish' mysticism)
Damn, guys, these two groups are not as different as you may suspect. As opposed to rival gangs, I suggest that they are merely two seperate groups, with quite a bit of overlap.
There can only be one answer to where we came from and why so it stands to reason that multiple religions and secret societies will have over lapping views. Hell most ancient religions all described a god that died for three days before coming back to life or in other words the winter solstice.
Make of that what you will in terms of Christianity...
If one, like me, studies quantum physics then the idea of multiple levels of conciousness/multi universes makes perfect sense so maybe they occult are onto something...
Quantum physics creates more questions than it answers and gives a really interesting perspective to what "god" is.
Hello DetectiveStern, The problem with 'looking for answers' is we quickly meet the limitations of human intellect, some questions can never be answered, the search for a defineable God is one, the God concept is a human idea, like money, it only lives in human minds, what ever is, is, there is no reason to think humans, with their language, can ever form a construct to describe 'God' that has any validity outside men's minds, some things can't be known, if you have beliefs that comfort you cherish them they are useful tools for the journey.
Likewise, don't wear your spirituality on your sleeve. It will become a target for others and eventually it will replace your emotions completely with dogma and superstition.
What the hell are you talking about? Most ancient religions are not monotheistic
What is the deal with ZH tonight.... it placed this reply under the wrong post.
Freemasonry doesn't come from Celtic culture. It comes from Anglo-Protestantism. The traditional Celts would have killed off the Jews and the Freemasons on site.
Europeans have fallen a long way since their glory days. It's really quite sad to see.
US is broke since 1993. It is war that is keeping her alive.
You and I both know that is coming and very soon.
"Generally speaking, most Americans didn’t notice..."
I need a bar chart. Where's the graphics?? Wht's going on here? I don't understand. Somebody tell me. Is this good or bad for the FED? OMG! I'm going to be scared- no, I'm going to sleep. Don't wake me. Should I be confused or something?
Nevermind, I took my meds. I'm ok. Who won the big game Sunday? Let's turn on Netflix for a while, I'm bored, got any beer? How about them pretzel things?
... your local native prole.
Yale and Mizzou are offended
Turn Syria into a "Safe Space", problem solved.
I hope Russia, China and Iran are ready to blow this shithole terrorist USSA and izraHELL back to the stone age. As well as their puppet governments. Destroy these Cuntries.
More Military Intelligence and Analysis of the Middle East
wars by Rambo
http://thesaker.is/syria-and-the-middle-east-sitrep-november-23rd-2015-b...
The good news is that Russia won't differentiate between groups moderate or otherwise. They'll bomb the snot out of all of them.
Now now. Cunts are useful, fun and produce something. None of those apply to the USA.
Mostly arse holes in disguise.
The situation summed up using M&M's......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/the-refugee-crisis-...
It was posted on ZH several days ago. Stop posting, everyone who cared already saw that image.
If the black M&Ms were armed and trained by KSA and Turkey with support from ZATO, yeah, I would throw them out. The rest can sit in the repatriation bowl.
Fuck the US government.
That's racist and antisemetic.
And soon to be misogynist? And all criticism will be deflected as 'in support of THE patriarchy'. If modern history has taught me anything, its about how spies, saboteurs, of a society can hide in plain sight. And keep us focused on 'the other' (blacks and Muslims and feminists), the whole time!
Herdredirection I see by your name you are interested in the mechanism whereby we are 'Led' I am also facinated by this mechanism, one thing I see is that although the social engineers can create almost any action or emotion in the crowd, their weakness or failing is, having learned to influence people they don't know what to do with their knowledge, if they create an unsustainable World they will perish in this World as well as anyone else. Motivation is the key, if you are motivated by wrong things wrong outcomes will be the result.
It all makes perfect sense to me...it doesn't take George Orwell to figure this out, does it?
Well done America, you have brought "fuckup" to a fine art......
CUNTS. All of them
Please don't say Cunt when posting on Zero Hedge. Only I can say Cunt on Zero Hedge.
Question: Can we say Cunt on Zero Hedge?
Can you rephrase the question?
Were you offended by his original phrasing of the question.
Sensitivity training must be taught here.
Some are just not sensitive enough toward the feelings of others.
Cunts are not overly sensitive. Assholes on the other hand are, and also full of shit.
From a personal point of view....I think its a cunt of a question....don't you?
Keep saying it (at least once per sentence), and let's see what happens.
Cunt...cunt...cunt
Yeah. I guess you can say that word of discerment if you choose. Just be careful becauseyou would not want tooffend someone else.
But please refrain from your microaggressive use of the name ZeroHedge.
It might offend those who believe that they can make a Hedge in this insane market.
Pacify them. Be agreeable. This is the neo Agreement Club after all.
We do need to ban the word Fight as that is microaggressive...as a Fight instills violence.
Fighting just offends me aftwerp all.
I'm offended. Only inthemix96 and Tony from England say cunt with the right amount of verve and swagger and panache.
only word you can't say here is nigger
No one saw this coming....
For those that won't admit the US is clamoring for all out war in the middle east, just stfu and hit the mall for a black friday sale.
That is Terrorist lingo to a T!
You Mr. Mouth, just bought yourself a DHS interrogation, with a lil' scoop of FBI for desert.
It's not about war as such. Not yet.
It's actually a lot worse, depending on your standing with Machiavelli.
The reality is that the US oligarchs (The Fed and their owners) are supporting the PetroDollar at any cost. That means, supporting SA and OPEC (and their promise to sell crude only in $$$) and at the same time gravity bombing everyone else making other arrangements. The USD is in dire straits, any move away from BAU and this beautiful global financial mechanical doll they have been crafting with love (and murder) will come apart. Just totally come unhinged. They've been blowing up countries left, right and center for 40 years solid knowing that they are about to run out of time. Nixon taking the Greenback off gold was only the first bomb to drop, and there have been countless real and figurative bombs since then.
I think this 40 years (or 400 years) shit show is about over. And I'm not the only one thinking it. It's entirely possible that when the curtain falls the oligarchs will in fact angle the world toward WW3, as many are claiming is the goal all along. It is not the goal all along, but could become, and if WW3 becomes the goal then I can promise you my friend everything you know or knew or ever loved or valued in this world will end. Slowly or quickly, but it will end.
There is no middle ground. Either they win and we lose, or it's over for everyone. They absolutely will take us with them.
And that wouldn't be war either, notice. The Christian "Armageddon" comes closer.
Israel's "Samson Option" comes to mind here! Now that surely is genuine mass psychopathy!
Not really a surprise there.
I wonder if there is enough mental rigging between the two (very different) concepts of "survival of Israel" and "survival of debt slavery" to key someone into pulling the trigger for one as easily as the other. If so, then this "keying" would have to be part of the shared mental illness I write about in my mini-essay below.
So many questions. So few answers.
So little time.
In about 10 years, we will read in the news that America is supplying weapons to a "moderate" rebel group called ISIS so that they can fight another evil group.
And the funny thing will be that the retarded sheep will just accept it.
The Grateful Al-Qaeda, catchy name
The fellow in the background must be a University of Florida Gator grad since he's wearing their pants I think:
http://fansedge.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productImages/_21980...
Casey Jones better watch his speed.
'Fire on the mountain'
Didn't they play somewhere in L.A.?
I hope Vlad turns them into the Grateful Dead
The MIC says you are very welcome.
... with a bow and ribbon.
...and you are welcome.
If a 100,000 people gathered around the white house and just laughed hysterically non-stop, that might rattle Obozo so bad into knowing he's a fool, and might resign.
You'd have to bus in a bunch of leather daddies from San Fran to get his attention.
That's a great idea. Now I know what to send him for Christmas...a bag of turds.
Except it's not Obama running things, he's controlled by the Globalists.
Always keep that fact in mind.
^^^ this
"....he's controlled by the Globalists"
A secret society so secret, that even its own members don't know they belong to it.
Being invited to Kissenger and Zbigniew's wedding at the Bilderberg Hotel was a good hint.
This is actually an interesting notion.
I've been recently playing around with a couple of ideas that seem at odds. One being the probability that globalist players don't belong to any "secret society" at all despite our fears to the contrary, this being our peculiar nightmare we like to scare ourselves with. You know, how everyone needs a hobby. So what globalists want is simply what they individually want, being always the same thing, being power and influence leading to or derived from the vast accumulation of personal wealth. So in other words, simple greed.
The other idea being that the oligarchs DO belong to a secret society -- but they don't know it. By not knowing it they don't think about it, can't blabber about it, never write silly memoirs casually mentioning it, and importantly never get thrown out. Which of course is what we observe; no secret society ever seems to pop up in any way, which is really hard to explain without resort to actual demonic pacts, and somehow I just can't see Donald Trump (to pick one) being smart enough to forge a pact with the devil. Sorry, Donald, facts are facts.
The two ideas are not particularly at odds. An invisible secret society (the very best kind!) is simply too hard to imagine. It would work, it would explain a lot, but there doesn't seem to be a practical mechanism for creating and maintaining such a thing. Who runs it? Why do they do it? How do you induct members? All that without anyone including the creator knowing anything about it. There is no way to do it.
Except, there is.
I am a biologist. I am a biologist not because I studied the subject for a long time and earned a degree or several (which I did) but because I am. I was born this way. In fact I am a "systems biologist" and because I study complicated living systems top-down and bottom-up -- and side-ways when I'm feeling frisky -- I have acquired over the centuries the ability to see through complexity. I call it "seeing thru walls" because most of the time complexity is exactly like a wall standing between humans and the Real World.
So here is the connection. The following is how you get an invisible secret society that many of the powerful belong to and don't even know it.
It is their peculiar madness. It's not society, it's a form of collective delusion and insanity. A shared mental illness they contract from each other through close and constant association just like a pathogen-borne illness -- ebola, plague, pick any of them -- their mental state/illness can be transmitted. They get it, and they don't even know they got it! Actually they like it. Like it a lot. Their madness stimulates them just as any manic state does, makes them jump suddenly, celebrate strange things out of place, feel good even wonderful regarding deaths and destruction. They laugh at the wrong things, weep when the rest of us rejoice. They only feel truly relaxed when they are with another also like them, meaning similarly diseased. Like many other heavily deranged persons the last thing they want is to leave the asylum.
I even think of it as a parasite, though more of a meme-site. Something that enters the human mind and bends that mind to another purpose besides being human, to spread itself, reproduce, travel distances, all the usual reasons parasites (mental or otherwsie) have for doing the shitty things they do. Such take-over behavior is well demonstrated in nature, there are all kinds of parasites do that to lower animals, it's horrendous. Read up on aquatic horsehair worms and the fungus cordyceps ("zombie fungus") which became the zombie outbreak mechanism used in the Walking Dead franchise. Crazy as fuck and they don't even know it.
An invisible secret society by mental pathogen. It probably sounds like sci-fi, but it's not. Not any of it. Speculation sure, but I'm all about exploring the edges of the human world, as some of you well know.
if this disease is the root cause, what is the cure or treatment?
I've no real idea. Medical science has never cured mental illness in one person least of all an entire class of people, except where there is a physical cause (a tumor, for example). Pure internalized cronic collective mental illness is the ultimate manifestation of the "mind-in-a-box" thought experiment, or Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" premise.
It's all of it completely off the edge of the map at this point.
Maybe solving the problem was the original task assigned to religion and spiritual exploration. We can see where that ended up; religion is now as much a part of this insanity as money.
As if anything that gets close is just pulled in and added to the monstrous pathology dragging us into darkness.
Reduce blood supply to the brain. Disease cured.
The meme as a disease... Certainly works for religion.
And like viruses, some memes are more invasive than others, and some are easier to transmit, some are more lethal, and some survive longer outside the host. And so on.
Linking it to religion is easy. Linking the same idea to the oligarch class is probably my own invention. There must be something to it; it explains nearly all the observations concerning the elites. The 2012 movie "Branded" comes to mind, I've never seen it but I understood the underlying concepts instantly.
Something has them and it won't let them go.
Cw, In your above statement I believe part of what you described as the equivalent of secondary psychopathy as a memetic behavior. But with your expertise in biology, could you please shoot-down or add insight to a theory that empathy-less psychopathy in humans is an evolutionary adaption (or re-expressed regression) for a coming intra-species split.
As humans eventually and fully replace a diverse and complex ecosystem, by default, we become the remaining primary multi-cellular organism in which new adaptions will occur. And because selective breeding in humans works differently than in non-sapient animals, we can more quickly write our own genetic destiny. Therefore psychopathic individuals, usually alpha dominants, where some harmlessly manipulate social hierarchies for simple individual gain and some aggressively undermine civil mechanisms of law and order to eliminate racial competition, can self-select and manifest a lineage of strongly inheritable behavioral traits. Could it be that the 0.01% of the world's population causing civil strife and large-scale fraud is simply nature evolving a different clade of human in the vacuum of pressure from animal predators? Think of that first tiny carnivorous dinosaur, that saw its reptile family as diner but wondered why they took it so personally.
The process you describe has already happened and is well documented.
As soon as we escaped our own predators, modern humans killed to extinction all other species of hominid, a process that seems to have been completed perhaps as recently as 20,000 years ago. Look around and notice, we are virtually the only species on earth that consists of a single branch. This cannot be a statistical fluke, no way, it has to be some expression of the primary behavioral patterns of modern peoples.
In this sense I am already equating modern humans with the rising sociopaths you allude to. I think even a cursory examination of the edges of human behavior -- behavior when we are not with our own mate and children, or anywhere outside our familiar support network -- would easily support the contention that ALL modern humans are to a degree uncaring and sociopathic by nature. Modern people in every age and on every continent will leave home to rape, pillage and murder for reasons having nothing at all to do with immediate survival. Not that we will admit to it, or allow an unbiased study to suggest it. But it is obvious we can quickly unhinge the flight-or-fight instincts from simple survival and redirect violence toward a million different facets of personal gain or even absolute madness. Instantly and easily.
To your direct question then: Of course there will be a divergence, of course this is heritable, and in fact is simply the continuation without interruption of a process that has for 80,000 years shaped us and made us exactly the way we are today. We are one species alone in the cosmos, killing anything that capably stands before us as a threat or not. The more violent of us go the furthest, breed the most, have the most faithful subjects and even write the history books. The sociopaths make gods in their own image, build walls to fortify their power, and if need be create monstrous weapons to terrorize anyone not nearly as mentally ill as themselves.
Every age of man had these people, and the gods and the walls and the weapons, even when their personal time is over their bloodline continue unabated simply changing their outer garments and language and waiting for another age to emerge where their will to dominate all life finds new tools and sycophants and open battlefields within which to prove again -- as we must and have for 80,000 years -- that there is but one way.
I have a running theory. It is that we evolved to fight off predators rather than flee and this instinct (very unusual outside felines, just look around) it never left us. Rather we have transmuted it into other forms of worthwhile violence directed instead at each other. It is worthwhile (rather than a mal adaptive trait) for exactly the reason you assume; it pays. There was always some payoff in access to mates or status, but these days the payoff is abstract coin, which everyone wants, so everyone overlooks the means. Simply overlooks it, like it never happened.
The sociopaths have been winning all along. They are not about to lose. They will in the process of not losing murder anyone not as careless as themselves and yes force the species into another equilibrium state but not into different branches but as before into one branch, always one, always just one path forward, perfect and moral and elected to manifest greatness over all things. Then they will either justify all terrible loss as essential, or they will (as we have and daily do) simply forget it ever happened.
We have become ourselves the unemotional death from the shadows that we used to fear.
Thank you for your eloquent and comprehensive answer to a layperson question. I am saddened that I misunderstood the dynamic, based on your observations, all evolutionary splits were eliminated or absorbed and the genome will remain stable by sapient selection for the duration of our mode of civilization. I was hoping that nature would offer a genetically verifiable and emotionally constrained super-predator, as it facilitates an understandable narrative for the human species failure from outside forces to transcend its original sin of animal evolutionary beginnings.
That doesn't absolve him from any responsibility, he's still a POS for doing their bidding.
Permits are required now. I bet if more than 200 people showed, arrests would be started. If there was a long lead up with social media campaigning for this, it would no doubt be infiltrated and de-legitimized (with help of whore media). We have a tough row to hoe here.There must be a weakness that we can exploit, but I am not sure what yet.
Good points. Everyone needs to understand the script here if only to better subvert it.
I will be eagerly awaiting the announcement of this news on the glorious, 100% accurate news channel that is CNN.
As a matter of fact, I am sure the only reason Sputnik and ZH beat them to the punch for this is because all of the CNN reporters are devoting their precious time and energy on Black Lives Matter at the Missouri campus.
Anytime now....
Don't forget my hero Charlie Sheen.
We need some American Glasnost and pravda re: the Middle East 'situation'.
Spot the real terrorists. Ah, Washington?
Israeli Security Model Proposed for Europe, US
http://winteractionables.com/?p=27729
The Israeli Security Model is Jews get a free pass, everyone else is treated like shit. Hmm. That should work.
Mr. Truman drops atomic bombs on women and children and it my father who is posthumously adjudged a war criminal.
At Yalta with a sweep of a pen, a senile president condemns a third of the world to communism.
Europe with the zeal of a missionary gone mad, hands over the wealth and resources of Africa to savages who have barely learned to beat a drum.
Then you give them tanks and arms to replace their bows and arrows.
And when your freezers arrive, they use them to store their enemies for dinner.
I have the grace not to mention Vietnam.
All over your brave new democratic world, inflation spirals as literacy drops.
And in America? They vote for law and order whilst shooting down Presidents, schoolchildren, and rock stars in the streets.
The Holcroft Covenant (1985)
One question, why would these geniuses announce this fact? Its as if they want everybody to turn on them and kill them.
It only facilitates more CHAOS.
Chaos is their primary tool. They effectively blind us by creating doubt and uncertainty about who is our friend, who is our enemy, how do we protect ourselves, WHAT IS LAW.
Chaos rules the planet now.
What you say Oldwood, I'm not sure what else to conclude. I have a hard time believing that they're this stupid, but I seem to underestimate the power of stupidity too.
Ever see a movie, where the evil henchman do something soo stupid that tips off the good guys that you think, "How fake. People don't do that."
Well, people DO, do stuff like that. I've seen things that could barely pass for fiction unfold before my eyes.
The Lemming Effect is very much at play.
I forget who said this, but the quote goes something like this:
Stupidity must confer some sort of evolutionary advantage, or there wouldn't be so much of it.
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Confers advantage in the make safe environment artificial, everything foam rubber padded, sharp edges rounded. And for the children of course.
Would priorly died before reproductive age reach and birthrate now higher than natural the clinical idiots.
What we call stupidity is just the other half of the bell curve of intelligence. When you realize that everything suddenly starts to make a great deal more sense.
This is what the CIA spends our tax dollars on. Funding terrorist.
American citizens should be outraged.
Obama funding his Muslim brotherhood pals.
Where are the American citizens?
Watching the Kardashian's and self medicating.
Du...learn the rules dude...
Oh lookie! A "Moderate Tow". I sure hope the Russians obliterate them all and send the heads back to Langley.
Obviously the US woudl never deliberately supply AQ with anything except death. But hey, as long as the missiles find their way into Russian, Syrian, and Iranian tanks, who cares where they came from? :)
How do we know opposition tanks are the only thing they'll find their way into?
Tell me where you lost your brain? Or is it you have?
So I guess everyone except ZH is aware that Deash aka ISIS took over Iraqi military bases with US military equipment in it.
Mean time:
Report: ISIS used advanced Russian weapons in Sinai attacksAre you a latvian potato or hasbara jagannah quoting israeli diatribe?
You with your head something to think tried? Or only pre-selected quotes?
I watched a few minutes of 60 min last nite, and they were hinting around the US not being very helpful to the Iraqis fighting ISIS - maybe the worm's starting to turn...
There's no reason that Iraqis should be fighting ISIS in Syria until they have cleaned them out in Iraq first.
So why exactly are Iraqi militias fighting in Syria? Well, because they take orders from Iran and their Russian allies. And the prioirity of those parties isn't the eliminiation of ISIS - it's the preservation of Assad.
Now this is a pretty obvious chain of reasoning. So why does ZH choose not to get it?
If the only two choices are Assad, or "Allahu Akbar - >KABOOM!!<" I'll stick with Assad, thanks. And guess what? Those are the only two choices.
Islam is not a religion; it merely has a religious component. Islam is a totalitarian socio-political system and as such, is not compatible with any form of Democracy or Republic.
Fact.
Tell me what it's like to live without a brain, to be a dumb redneck?
So I guess everyone except ZH is aware that Deash aka ISIS took over Iraqi military bases with US military equipment in it.
Mean time:
Report: ISIS used advanced Russian weapons in Sinai attacks