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Who Should Pay For The Syrian Refugees?

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,

Last week the US House dealt a blow to President Obama’s plan to resettle 10,000 Syrians fleeing their war-torn homeland. On a vote of 289-137, including 47 Democrats, the House voted to require the FBI to closely vet any applicant from Syria and to guarantee that none of them pose a threat to the US. Effectively this will shut down the program.

The House legislation was brought to the Floor after last week’s attacks in Paris that left more than 120 people dead, and for which ISIS claimed responsibility. With the year-long US bombing campaign against ISIS in Syria and Iraq, there is a good deal of concern that among those 10,000 to be settled here there might be some who wish to do us harm. Even though it looks as though the Paris attackers were all EU citizens, polling in the US shows record opposition to allowing Syrian refugees entry.

I agree that we must be very careful about who is permitted to enter the United States, but I object to the president’s plan for a very different reason. I think it is a sign of Washington’s moral and intellectual bankruptcy that US citizens are being forced to pay for those fleeing Washington’s foreign policy.

For the past ten years the US government has been planning and executing a regime change operation against the Syrian government. It is this policy that has produced the chaos in Syria, including the rise of ISIS and al-Qaeda in the country. After a decade of US destabilization efforts, we are now told that Syria is totally destabilized and we therefore must take in thousands of Syrians fleeing the destabilization that Washington caused.

Has there ever been a more foolish and wrong-headed foreign policy than this?

The American people have been forced to pay untold millions for a ten-year CIA and Pentagon program to undermine and overthrow the Syrian government, and now we are supposed to pay millions more to provide welfare for the refugees Obama created.

Who should pay for the millions fleeing the chaos that Washington helped create? How about the military-industrial complex, which makes a killing promoting killing? How about the Beltway neocon think-tanks that continue to churn out pro-war propaganda while receiving huge grants from defense contractors? How about President Obama’s national security advisors, who push him into one regime change disaster after another? How about Hillary Clinton, who came up with the bright idea that “Assad must go”? How about President Obama himself, a president elected to end wars, but who has ended up starting more wars than his predecessor? It’s time those who start the wars start paying for the disasters they create. Then perhaps we might have some relief from an interventionist foreign policy that is destroying our financial and national security.

If Obama wants to take in refugees from the chaos in Syria, there are probably plenty of vacant rooms in the White House.

 

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Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:33 | 6827372 _ConanTheLibert...
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Insanity.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:00 | 6827414 VinceFostersGhost
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All the polls indicate they shouldn't be brought here.

 

Good thing the politicians don't really represent us.

 

How is it we have all this money for refugees....but we can't help our veterans?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:05 | 6827468 Syrin
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I would mandate that all Syrian invaders must stay in a house of a registered democrat and that all their daily living expenses are to be paid by the home owners.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:07 | 6827476 TeamDepends
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And why are we accepting ONLY muslim Syrians, while Christians get to talk to the hand?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:12 | 6827488 FL_Conservative
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Vince,

 

"How is it we have all this money for refugees....but we can't help our veterans?"

 

How is it also that we have all this money for refugees....but we can't pay down our national debt (both fiscal operating and unfunded)?  Of course, our questions are rhetorical since we know what those answers are.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:22 | 6827520 mvsjcl
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STOP THE FUCKING MADNESS!!!!!!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:38 | 6827563 Bumpo
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I wish we could have a "Vote of No Confidence'. The man in charge is a lunatic.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:43 | 6827597 So Close
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One of the phrases at the bottom of our Statue of Liberty is, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." This speaks very clearly and deeply to me when I choose to take a moment and compare my life here in America to anywhere else in the world. It is easy to entertain fantastic notions about living or being from other countries. Illusions about some mythical "better" other place. My own personal cure for such notions has been to travel. I have been, "other places" and while there is much to see and experience around the world, coming home has always given me a deeper appreciation for what we have here in the US... despite our countries many flaws. We now find ourselves with masses of refugees wanting to come here to our country from Syria and the middle east with the simple and noble dream of building a better life. As I expect you would want to come here, or indeed anywhere, should you find the place of your birth in such chaos as Syrians and others find their home countries today. I have no tolerance for those that wish to come to the US and do us harm. And given what has happened in Paris recently I expect it is just a matter of time before we experience the same type of sad event or events here in the US. That being said I find it strange to come to realize that, we the people of the US, have the most control over how radicalized the vast majority of the peace loving, shelter seeking refugees will become here in the US. It will be how we, the people of the United States, choose to treat our guests after we are viciously struck by the radicalized, violence prone, minority of these refugees in a terror attack that will determine how those whom are left, and predisposed to peaceful integration, will respond. I have no doubt how the terrorists wish us to respond to their remaining peace seeking Syrian and middle eastern countrymen and women after such an event. Chaos, further violence, and hate are the the terrorists aim. Sadly, history is on the terrorist's side. That being said... Terror is offer... not a command.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:13 | 6827725 swmnguy
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Excellent, thoughtful post.  You also appear not to like the feeling of being stampeded in a direction.

Yes, the purpose of terrorism is always to provoke an inordinate response and set in motion a chain reaction.  It works, too.  The irony of it is that those who propose the most extreme counter-reaction to terrorism have no idea they are in fact fulfilling the fundamental strategy of terrorism; to polarize and alienate the population and eliminate any middle ground and "trusted interlocuters."  

People also fail to recognize how the exodus of refugees, as a part of the overall strategy, is designed to weaken US rivals to global supremacy.  The social fabric of the Muslim countries on top of the energy deposits and around the perimeter of our rivals (Russia, China and the E.U.) has been destroyed.  The nations-states around that perimeter no longer function.  This creates dangerous  instability that Russia, China and the E.U. have to spend resources addressing.  Now waves of refugees are heading toward Europe, further sapping European energies and resources.  The very notion of the E.U. is being undermined, as public sentiment is very carefully directed at breaking all the bonds between E.U. member nations.  It was no accident the forged passports appeared next to the suicide bombers' bodies.  It's no accident that anti-refugee sentiment continues to be fanned, even as the supposed attackers are revealed to not have been Syrian refugees in any way.

I choose not to be provoked or stampeded.  But I see how many choose the other path, and that changes my circumstances.  I have to respond to that, but I choose to respond, not to react.  That's not always popular, nor is it always the safest path.  It does help in anticiapting what happens next, however.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:15 | 6828121 Four chan
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if you dont feel stampeeded by the jewish media you must live in a cave, 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:43 | 6828220 hongdo
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Are you an idiot MIC troll?  I remenber as a kid taking in Hungarian refugees in my home.  But the US did not bomb their homeland and make them homeless.  If the US wanted to help the Syrians or the Libyians or the Iranians -  then stop bombing them and provide some real rebuilding instead of funding cronies to build crap military and prision structures.

BTW, I have lived expat over 9 years and had a great time.  Don't crap on the rest of the world just because you have never been there.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:54 | 6827645 cougar_w
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"...but we can't pay down our national debt (both fiscal operating and unfunded)?"

There is a difference of about 1,000,000,000:1 dollar difference in magnitude between the problems, is why. If you want to overlook math to make a political point then that's fine, but most people on ZH (MOST) don't seem to understand math in the least. I mean, not at all.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:54 | 6828543 FL_Conservative
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You miss the point of my rhetorical question.  There would be plenty of money to do the things that are important and fulfill obligations if our political embodiment actually gave a shit about something other than their political careers.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:33 | 6827497 KnuckleDragger-X
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racist.... this is all the crusaders fault, all those centuries ago......

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:49 | 6827421 -.-
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Taxpayer: War

Taxpayer: War reparrations 

Taxpayer: Obamacare

Taxpayer: Imminent bailout of Obamacare

 

And, they have complained aloud about this; I mean, they use that thing, the internet, to scrawl statements against the allegorical bathroom wall expressing distaste and a desire for change. Well, lucky for us, they have yet to do anything about our policies, though. 

Here, give them this...FacebookTM

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:57 | 6827665 Noplebian
Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:34 | 6827374 Baby Bladeface
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Who to pay?

Already known in Vichy DC: Sneaky Putin, of course.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:56 | 6827654 Kirk2NCC1701
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Who SHOULD pay? The opportunistic and manipulative Likudniks and their voters, who got their fellow tribesmen to pull the strings of the US Puppets. That's who.

Instead of going to the root cause, sheeple will blame all the wrong or less culpable people. Same as always, cause Sheeple are weak, dumb, uninformed, malleable, scared and disorganized. Wolves know this, and prey accordingly.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:36 | 6827380 Osmium
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Who "should pay" and who "will pay" are two different things.  Anyone who pays taxes of any kind will end up footing the bill for the failed US foreign policy.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:53 | 6828272 1223pm
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Who ever pays, my question is in whose pocket all this money is going?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:03 | 6828315 HowdyDoody
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The money coming from those that will pay will end up in the pockets of those that should pay.

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:36 | 6827385 Panic Mode
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Don't worry. He will use his trump card - executive order.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:37 | 6827570 Clowns on Acid
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Show him your Trump card.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:43 | 6827386 Francis Marx
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All the DC politicions need a pay cut.  They should take the consiqunces for their actions. .

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:50 | 6827835 Rancho Texican
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Yes, ask them nicely to pass a bill giving themselves a pay cut. See how that works out for ya. And while you're at it, ask them to absorb the consequences of their actions, too. Good luck!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:38 | 6827391 VWAndy
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In ebonics hypocracy is a form of government?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:39 | 6827393 aliki
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HALIBURTON "PREFERDS"

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:40 | 6827396 22winmag
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Let them in. I'm sure they will become flag-waving, tax-paying, highly assimilated citizens.

 

/s

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:42 | 6827399 Ferrari
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The Zionist masterminds who engineered this mayhem in the first place. Next question?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:53 | 6827425 bamawatson
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i see moo slime sub human debris  allah praising sand niggers slaughtering "folks" all over the globe; yet i read inane insipid drivel like your comment; never do i see you produce evidence; only snide jew baiting. produce some evidence

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:01 | 6827457 Zero-Hegemon
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Fuck your evidence, do your own research.

Too true, the crazy fucks are doing this all over the world, but only because the jooo led MiC took out all of the strong men that were keeping a lid on them all. Saddam, Khadafi, Mubarek, probably some others I can't remember.

It's the Arab spring baby, prepare to harvest the poison fruit of Islam, religion of pieces.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:55 | 6827653 cougar_w
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Everyone needs a hobby.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:57 | 6827436 Trogdor
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The Zionist masterminds who engineered this mayhem in the first place. Next question?

C'mon Ferrari - haven't you noticed how many hundreds of thousands of refugees Israel is welcoming into their midst?  Oh ... wait ....

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:53 | 6827642 NoTTD
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Israel is taking in acactly the same number as the Muslims countries.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:04 | 6828321 HowdyDoody
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There is a massive refugee camp in northern Jordan, so Israel is taking less than the number taken by Muslim countries.

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:42 | 6827401 JustObserving
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The Nobel Prize Winner's illegal regime change operation in Syria has caused 300,000 deaths, over 1,000,000 injured and over 4,000,000 refugees.

All those who broke Syria with this illegal action - US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Israel, UK, France among others should pay for the refugees.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:20 | 6827897 Kirk2NCC1701
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Not so fast, cowboy. I opposed all these wars and invasions, as did most people in all these countries.

Let the war-mongering scum pay for it: those in the Deep State and their families, who benefited the most.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:06 | 6828331 ZD1
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All those who broke Syria with this illegal action - Obama and his cronies among others - should pay for the refugees.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:47 | 6827408 Cruel Aid
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We caused the exodus and we have an obligation to take them in... Brilliant strategy.

Plan coming along nicely.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:47 | 6827410 Soul Glow
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I want to know why liberals haven't insisted on taking refugees from Africa.  

Well I can tell you.

Because liberals are racist.

They only want to be involved because white Europe is being invaded.

If Syrians were headed anywhere else they wouldn't care.

Black lives matter, until they don't.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:32 | 6827552 RaceToTheBottom
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Black lives don't matter, until they do....  

And their actions so far have indicated that they continue to believe that they don't.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:48 | 6827413 Vlad the Inhaler
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What's another couple hundred billion when you have the world's greatest printing press and zero chance of ever paying off your debt.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:39 | 6827964 Kirk2NCC1701
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And that is exactly why Dick Cheney was motivated to say: "Deficits don't matter."

People poo-pood this at the time and ever since, because they use the wrong (old-school) monetary and fiscal models.

p.s. Apple, I hate your stupid iPads. Half the times the auto-spell is wrong, and several times the entire the entire blog post magically disappears in a spontaneous auto-refresh of the screen - just before hitting the ZH Save icon. Told my family that I'll go sideways on them, if they buy me an iPad for X-Mass. I'll stick to my custom-built desktop and the dark net, thank you very much.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:48 | 6827416 Duc888
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Who "made" the Syrian refugees?     Who fucked their shit up?    Did they all collectively wake up one morning and decide they were bored....... so to alleviate their boredom go on a transcontinental hike?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:16 | 6827499 VinceFostersGhost
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Bush?

 

Do I win something?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:51 | 6827417 swmnguy
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Truth is, if you want to find the most adamant haters of ISIS, start with Syrian refugees.

But this isn't about truth, is it.  It's about stampeding the American voting public for domestic electoral purposes, and mostly about continuing and advancing the Zbigniew Brzezinski "Grand Chessboard" strategy of bleeding out all rivals to US global dominance and control of Eurasia.  That would be Russia, China, and the E.U.    Meanwhile, it has to be made to look like there's a direct effect one way or the other on the average American, or we won't care enough to go along with the plan.  Most of us no longer get a whole lot of unearned advantage from Empire.  The Elites have pocketed that, and plan to make the real killing as we move forward, turning America into the next colony to have all its wealth extracted.  This global strategy isn't meant to enrich you and me.

So of course we have to endure the fear-crazed bleating of idiots who don't understand that Syrian refugees are fleeing US proxies, and hate them more than anyone else.  Besides, they're not "white," whatever that is, and they're not Protestant Evangelicals.  The two easiest ways to get the support of the stupid class of Americans who are easily victimized is to appeal to their fear-nurtured racism and religious bigotry.  Whatever.  Once we've got Russia and the E.U. leaders involved militarily in the Middle East, it'll be time for large-scale Sunni extremist terrorism in China's Western provinces.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:36 | 6827564 swmnguy
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Nobody enjoys realizing they're being played, and by whom, and for what purpose.

We're all being stampeded in a direction.  I, for one, don't like the feeling.  I tend to look for the reasons why.  They're never the overt reasons.

For instance, which group of immigrants has caused the US more trouble, bringing with them more crime and social upheaval?  Muslims or Cubans?  You're not going to get the correct answer from Marco Rubio, methinks.  Because you're being stampeded in a direction.  The Cubans promoted the desired narrative at the time so the fact that most of them were/are criminals is inconvenient and therefore concealed.  And getting White America to fear Muslims fits the desired narrative, so we'll never hear that most of them are very conservative by nature and actually fit in very well, if you have the sophistication not to be put off by skin tone, accents, different food smells and certain bits of apparel.

No, the fear and loathing of these immigrants is being purposely stirred up, to create a specific response and consent to the next round of the Wars of Empire.  If you prefer to indulge your own petty personal prejudices rather than to understand what is happening around you and why, don't come complaining when you finally realize you've been had. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:48 | 6827418 MrBoompi
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Why should we have to pay for any of it?  If we had been asked in advance, we would have said no.  But they can't ask us because what they have planned is illegal, or at least highly immoral, and therefore covert.  The western capitalists have been fighting Russia and anyone who supports Russia for over 50 years.  We've overthrown dozens of countries in the process in Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and South America.  We got Ukraine away from Russia and we're working on Syria.  One domino at a time.  And the American people didn't have much say in any of it other than being expected to pay for it.  

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:54 | 6827430 pmurgs
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You (collectively) were asked in advance, when you allowed the present US regieme to continue as it has been for the past couple decades plus. It's the citizens (collective) job to reign in their government.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:02 | 6827458 PeeramidIdeologies
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Please explain how that would work

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:18 | 6827507 Pliskin
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Well it used to be pitchforks and fire, but in this modern age (And with MOST Americans armed) it would be guns, fire, mass protest, refusal to pay taxes, bank runs, public hangings...

...but on a more serious note, better just to sit at home and watch NFL and The Kardashians, the butt-fuckings will come in good time, meanwhile; Nothing to see here!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:37 | 6827568 SillySalesmanQu...
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+1 for pointing out you actually have to do SOMETHING other than sit on your ass and bitch about it.
By the way, what time does the revolt start...? ;-)

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:04 | 6827688 PeeramidIdeologies
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There was the Arab spring, Occupy Wall Street, the riots in Ferguson, Mass gathering in Hong Kong, disruptions at most G7-20 meetings... I was at a rally a few months ago protesting a government bill.

Doesn't seem to be making much of an impact. In fact I just witnessed another federal election come and go where no one individual had something to say other the established rhetoric.

Time for fresh tactics wouldn't you say?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:32 | 6827934 Clesthenes
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“Time for fresh tactics wouldn’t you say?’

Of sorts.

Perhaps we should try historically-proven methods of redress.

As I’ve noted earlier, the first thing that must be done is for those interested to acquaint themselves with the Declaration of Independence  Specifically, ‘when governments become destructive of our rights, we have the right – nay, the power / duty – to alter or abolish it and set new guards for our liberties’, approximately.

The next step is to learn the real history, law and procedures of redress: the business of First-Amendment assemblies (an introduction: one - two).

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 22:42 | 6829949 SillySalesmanQu...
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Thank you for the link. A very good read!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:05 | 6827469 hxc
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Lol, the constitution limited our government too, right?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:00 | 6827450 PeeramidIdeologies
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Exactly. While the media continues to control the narrative on how we should feel about the refugees, nobody is confronting the issue of why these people are so desperate to flee their country.

I personally tried to withdrawal my support from these muderous government agencies and have been shocked by the immediate and extreme backlash. If you want a realistic display of how insane your government is make an attempt to cast a real ballot. Try to apply your tax dollars with your own initiatives.

To say I've had my mind blown is an understatement.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:38 | 6827571 swmnguy
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What did you try to do?  That sounds very interesting.

You also sound like someone who doesn't like being stampeded in a direction.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:19 | 6827746 PeeramidIdeologies
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Well in summary I stopped paying what taxes I had control over. I thought I would be interesting to see first hand what actions they would take and what options I would have. Turns out they don't play around. Within a couple months we went from negotiating a payment plan to them seizing my bank accounts and installing a non-negotiable and extremely prioritized budget where all of my other obligations were put on hold (including necessities such as work related training and a decent grocery budget).
They have even gone as far to inform me that if I die, they will pursue my next of kin for full payment!

Which is funny because after a little research I found the Gov. Regularly writes off billions every year in uncollectable taxes. Some of which are in the millions per account.

So I guess it's all in who you know or something along those lines...

You are correct in that statement.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:29 | 6827776 swmnguy
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I see.  Yes, I had a similar experience a couple decades ago.  I didn't do it on purpose, though.  I got involved in a friend's business, not realizing he had no idea what he was doing a taste for cocaine.  I didn't have any money or assets when they came to me with the "non-negotiable" budget and bank account seizure, etc.  Since I had no money and no assets, I was able to force them to accept my proposed payment plan.  It was indeed an eye-opener.  It was obvious who was responsible for the taxes having gone unpaid, and why.  It was obvious I had next to nothing to do with it, and that my signature had been forged on a few key documents.  None of that made any difference at all.  What mattered was that while I was "judgement-proof" in not having any assets to take, I was also, of the two of us, the one most likely to succeed in the future.  I found a very savvy attorney who was able to communicate to the tax people that they could either crush me and get nothing, or work with me and get half the money.  They took that deal.  And when the cokehead sobered up, he was able to make some sort of deal with them, so they got some money out of him, too.  I haven't heard his side of the story these past 25 years; he's had the good sense not to seek me out.

No, they do not play around.  My attorney advised me that if I ever faced a choice of not paying the Mob or not paying the IRS, pay the IRS and work something out with the Mob.  He wasn't kidding, either.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:33 | 6827943 PeeramidIdeologies
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That's pretty much the score. The part I really struggle with is that we have no say in where our tax money is spent. It's bad enough gov agencies are able to sign their own pay checks, but the fact I have no say where my hard earned money is allocated is obscene.

I can't do it. It just isn't going to happen

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:51 | 6827422 moonmac
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Obama’s goal is to make it so every American hears Islam’s Satanic call to prayer 5 times a day.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:53 | 6827427 divedivedive
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If I were a world leader - I would call the US's bluff. Apparently 19% of the refugees are from Afghanistan - Based on the data from the UN that is like 160,000 people. How many of THEM can the US take in ? 

http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 11:58 | 6827441 Omega_Man
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Assad and Vlad have some bills for Saudi and Turkey and others once they establish ISIS support... sue in the World Court, then criminal liability as well...

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:01 | 6827443 farflungstar
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Being an AmeriKan, I can understand why everyone thinks we should pay. We got a bunch of assholes running this country who hate it (and us) and who should be tortured and killed for what they did to so many innocent people over there, the dead and crippled on our side and the people whose futures had to be ruined to pay for it all. 

There was no real cause or justification for this, some like to say that Obama just continued with the democracy spreading bullshit of his predecessor, which any numbnut could have seen wasn't feasible, especially after Iraq. 

No, this should be paid for by israel, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and any other retrograde cunt I may have missed. Fucking Neocons and Zionists note that Oded Yinon is proceeding according to plan, all of the above be damned....a special "thanks" goes out to all supposed patriotic and loyal AmeriKans who took their side over their countrymen. There's a special place in Hell for you.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article189385.html

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:00 | 6827446 Dr. Engali
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How about we start with the truth? They're not refugees, they're invaders.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:00 | 6827448 Laddie
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Ron Paul was the only man standing up to the Jewish lobby in Congress. He is a good guy, his son, not so good.

What folks need to understand about this "Syrian" refugee business is that it is by design, a plan, not by chance.

Jews Demand Open Borders for USA, But Use DNA to Keep Israel Racially Pure

Israel Officially Aids 3rd World Invasion

So it is clear that the Jews understand—correctly—that a mass Third World invasion will destroy their country, and they are very clear and open about this fact.

Nonetheless, at the very same time, they are actively funding and aiding a mass Third World invasion of Europe—knowing full well that this will destroy Europe.

This overt hypocrisy cannot be a coincidence: it is the result of a malicious, deliberate policy, designed to destroy Europe and Europeans, while ensuring that Israel remains racially pure.

The US Holocaust Memorial Museum has issued a statement demanding the American people submit to the will of international Jewry and accept these hordes of terrorists.

Acutely aware of the consequences to Jews who were unable to flee Nazism, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum looks with concern upon the current refugee crisis. While recognizing that security concerns must be fully addressed, we should not turn our backs on the thousands of legitimate refugees.

The Museum calls on public figures and citizens to avoid condemning today’s refugees as a group. It is important to remember that many are fleeing because they have been targeted by the Assad regime and ISIS for persecution and in some cases elimination on the basis of their identity.

Jewish publication Quartz about the USHMM statement:

It’s a statement perhaps reflective of growing sentiments among North America’s Jewish communities; a recollection of policies that kept those fleeing terror and persecution in Nazi-occupied Europe from settling down in the United States. According to Holocaust Museum literature, “Between the Nazi rise to power in 1933 and Nazi Germany’s surrender in 1945, more than 340,000 Jews emigrated from Germany and Austria. Tragically, nearly 100,000 of them found refuge in countries subsequently conquered by Germany. German authorities would deport and kill the vast majority of them.” Following the Anschluss (German annexation of Austria), around 85,000 Jewish refugees (out of 120,000 Jewish emigrants) managed to reach the US. This was “far below the number seeking refuge,” however.

According to a New York Times interview with historian Peter Shulman, author of a widely circulated tweet highlighting anti-Semitic xenophobia present in pre-war America, US lawmakers then held similar “safety concerns” regarding a possible influx of Jewish refugees. “Jews were associated with a variety of acts and ideas that were seen as un-American, Mr. Shulman said, including Communism and violence.”

Haaretz, Israeli newspaper

Ten Jewish groups have sent a letter to Congress members on Tuesday urging them not to roll back plans to accept Syrian refugees into the United States.
To turn our back on refugees would be to betray our nation’s core values,” said the letter, as Congress began considering measures that would put a stop to the Obama administration’s plans to bring in 10,000 Syrian refugees over the next year.
“It would send a demoralizing and dangerous message to the world that the United States makes judgments about people based on the country they come from and their religion.”
Among the Jewish groups signing are the Union for Reform Judaism, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the National Council of Jewish Women, the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee.

Ted Kennedy is not responsible for the Immigration Act of 1965 by Kevin MacDonald PhD

Professor Kevin MacDonald’s ‘The Culture of Critique’ Reviewed

The intellectual movements Prof. MacDonald discusses in this volume are Marxism, Freudian psychoanalysis, the Frankfurt school of sociology, and Boasian anthropology. Perhaps most relevant from a racial perspective, he also traces the role of Jews in promoting multi-culturalism and Third World immigration. Throughout his analysis Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald’s most profound charge against Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty – that while claiming to be working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group solidarity they decry as immoral in others.

Prof. MacDonald claims that one of the most consistent ways in which Jews have advanced their interests has been to promote pluralism and diversity – but only for others. Ever since the 19th century, they have led movements that tried to discredit the traditional foundations of gentile society: patriotism, racial loyalty, the Christian basis for morality, social homogeneity, and sexual restraint. At the same time, within their own communities, and with regard to the state of Israel, they have often supported the very institutions they attack in gentile society.

150 on flight from Mexico allowed to skip customs, leave JFK airport

Record surge of illegals in October

5 More Syrians Stopped in TX

Refugees Arriving For Last Two Years...But Congress Learned From Local News Report!

New federal guidelines quietly changing immigration enforcement

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:01 | 6827453 Omega_Man
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pure evil...... 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:00 | 6827449 Omega_Man
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US neocons are evil. Are we at the point yet where they can be arrested along with their zionist and Saudi friends? What will it take? 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:15 | 6827886 Clesthenes
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“What will it take?”

The first thing that must be done is for those interested to acquaint themselves with the Declaration of Independence  Specifically, ‘when governments become destructive of our rights, we have the right – nay, the power / duty – to alter or abolish it and set new guards for our liberties’, approximately.

The next step is to learn the real history, law and procedures of redress: the business of First-Amendment assemblies (an introduction: one - two).

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:01 | 6827456 o r c k
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The White House ??  Please no. There are statues (smash the idols) and paintings ( picture the portrait of GW with a spray-painted half-moon across his face) These things are important to our history.  (amazingly there's no exaggeration here)

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:04 | 6827465 Dr. Bonzo
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The lone voice of sanity in a vaste wasteland of madness.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:58 | 6828172 Bob
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Well, I suppose that if people shouldn't look to their government for health insurance, their government shouldn't look to its people for its foreign policy direct . . . wait a minute. 

Isn't this the Ron who is such a bigtime fan of the "The Founders" ?  Why don't the American people have responsibility for holding their psychopathic leaders accountable by whatever means necessary?  Like in the good old days.  Whose responsibility is it, the fucking Syrian sheeple's?  The American sheeple shouldn't be held responsible for their own elected officials?

Saying the psychos should pay the bill themselves is about as profound as saying they should be sending their own kids off to murder all those people in the ME. It can't be a serious answer to the question. 

Was this just a feel-good piece or what? 

Baaa-baaa, I just good American sheep!  Make sombody else weeee-sponsible.  

It's a pretty lame take on the problem from Ron, seems to me.  Fuckin Jeffery Sachs is doing better than that. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:05 | 6827470 tongue.stan
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RP = voice in the wilderness, as always.

The "innocent" military aged male invaders should be informed at the border

that they may as well have bullseyes painted on their backs.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:06 | 6827474 Omega_Man
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Why would any American fight for this Government??   They are just pure evil. 

Purge the NEOCONS... End the FED... hopefully in a violent manner. 

They deserve severe punishment. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:09 | 6827482 thismarketisrigged
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all the people who want to bring them in should pay for them.

 

basically every hillary/liberal supporter,

 

there are plenty of muslim countries with tons of money and plenty of room for them who refuse to bring them in because they r trouble, we dont need them here.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:11 | 6827483 billwilson
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Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:13 | 6827491 BarkingCat
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Those three have Iraq, but you are one stupid fuck if you think that they are to blame so Syria.

 

Obama, Clinton, McCain, Graham

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:16 | 6827496 Clowns on Acid
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You are a dunb fuck little bill.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:24 | 6827528 silverer
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Yes, the guys who started it, doubled down on by Obummer.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:14 | 6827494 Phillyguy
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There appears to be confusion about the connection between Syrian refugees and the Paris attacks. All of the attackers in Paris were EU citizens not Syrian refugees. This begs the question, is the US going to ban all visitors from the EU? 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:36 | 6827566 TrumpXVI
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All of them were EU citizens of Muslim extraction, who failed to assimilate constructively into their host societies.  And we are supposed to begin that destructive process here in north America?  Isn't what these crazy policies have done in Europe enough?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:57 | 6828055 PoasterToaster
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Unemployed Americans are failing to assimilate into the Federal Reserve directed society in larger numbers each day.  Eventually Americans will be openly seen as a threat to the US Federal State.

This "terrorism" drill nonsense is just practice for later, when they really need it.  It will be too late for them by then.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:21 | 6827516 PGR88
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Just have the Federal Reserve print more money, to pass through Wall Street, to buy up US Gov't Debt.

That's how all progressive social-engineering projects are funded.  Why should this one be any different?

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:23 | 6827524 moonmac
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Obama will keep letting in poor refugees so American kids can be guaranteed to never work a hard day of labor in their entire lives just like all Federal Reserve members.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:28 | 6827541 EddieLomax
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One of Ron Paul's best, there are so many reasons to criticise the muddle headed foreign policy, maybe American's (and European's) will wake up and start to listen to them and understand what is being done in their name.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:29 | 6827546 J Mahoney
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Here are the homes owned by the Clintons--put them there

http://www.celebrityhousepictures.com/bill-clinton.php?housephotos=2

After that, put one in each home of politicians agreeing to bring them in.

After that, each candidate for president that want them in the US gets one in their house.

After that is filled up, put them in the Obama Presidential Library (Get going with construction)

After that is filled up, put them in the the congressional offices--one bed in each office

Only then will they appreciate the inpact of their actions

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:32 | 6827557 yellowsub
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After Paris, they'll gladly pay quadrillions to keep them over so our freedoms stay safe at home.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:40 | 6827580 homebody
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To be fair, I think most in this country felt that it was a good thing to encourage freedom and democracy around the world.  Were we stupid, greedy, arrogant, power hungry, ... maybe a lot of all of these.  I do not think we can change societies that are centuries old and I now am becoming an isolationist.  Let them do what they have been doing forever and just defend our way of life - while we still have a country.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:34 | 6827789 swmnguy
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I think most Americans have felt as you describe.

I do not believe, however, that we have attacked Bosnia/Serbia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, et. al. out of any concern for freedom or democracy.  I note that all these nations sit on top of deposits of strategic resources, or on the path these resources have to take to get to market, or on the perimeter of our rivals to global supremacy (Russia, China and the E.U.).

Ameriican's sentiments have been grossly exploited to give cover to a scheme of global Empire.  And now that the scheme has gotten to a risky juncture, we're being told our way of life is at stake unless we do exactly as directed by those who have been manipulating us into this situation the whole time.

I haven't trusted them yet, and I'm not going to start now.  It's worked very well for me to this point; at least I haven't been surprised in a few decades.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:54 | 6828042 PoasterToaster
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Being an isolationist would mean wanting to cut off all trade, travel, and other contact in total.  Being a non-interventionist means simply not going off on military adventures to change the world.

The propaganda against minding our own business has been so bad, that we automatically go to the vilified "isolationist" label without considering a better alternative.  We don't HAVE to be warmongers or nothing.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:30 | 6828183 homebody
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Yes I mean isolation.  We need to re-group as a nation to determine where we want to be as a country.  Compromise has gotten us deeper into this international quagmire.  A year or two off China crap would not hurt us either.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:40 | 6827582 SharkBit
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Problem I see is that Americans are still being lied to via MSM.  Case in point, BB article out today.  These guys can make up anything they want to create whatever narrative suits them.  No fact checking.  Just more lies.  Stop the madness.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-15/who-benefits-most-from-...

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 12:59 | 6827668 L Bean
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Great. So now comes the whining and gnashing of teeth over "WHO will pay for it?" Where was the similar cry when we were enlisted to pay for the destruction of Syria, in the first place? It's absolutely ABSURD. Where were Ron Paul et al when we were creating ISIS, in order to destroy the infrastructure of Syria...Who should PAY?? How about everyone currently in congress! 

Lies of omission from them all, even Saint Ron Paul. Problem>Reaction>Solution.

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:03 | 6827686 Kirk2NCC1701
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This is just another Red Herring Argument, intended to control the Narrative (you dumb phucks).

A better Q would be: " Why are Israel, Jordan, SA and other Gulf States not taking them?" And then not relent on that question, until it builds into a crescendo of public outcry.

Dumb plucking Sheeple!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 13:18 | 6827742 Grandad Grumps
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Who should pay for Syrian refugees?

It should be the central banks who are using their puppet governments to attack Syria so that a BIS tied central bank can be installed ... where a government bank now exists.

The US government, the EU, Israel, the SAUD appear to all be puppets of the banks, who appear to be, all in combination, controlled by Satan and his minions. While this should be obvious by now, through the erasure of history, we have been led to believe that Satan and the fallen angels (demons/djinn/archons) do not exist.

Tell me what esle makes any sense at all!

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:03 | 6827862 Clesthenes
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Sorry, but it makes no sense, and even less justice.

Central banks pay for nothing.  The banknotes and bank reserves they issue are collateralized by government debt.

What you propose, effectively, imposes the burden on American taxpayers – those living and those yet to be born.

A civilized man would not do such a thing.

Do us a favor, perform your due diligence before you dispose of lives who trust you.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:51 | 6828033 PoasterToaster
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What? lol

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:08 | 6827843 Clesthenes
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“Who should pay for the Syrian (actually, all) refugees?”

There are multiple answers to this question, all related, and not necessarily in this order.

They are: a) adopt the system wide policy that all taxes should be paid by those who make them necessary: domestic (e.g., felons) and foreign enemies; b) make members of the sovereign class – members of “we the people” – entirely tax exempt (that is, as the law is now written – but not observed – this brief is lawyer-proof); c) require all immigrants to post a bond for good performance, either their own money or sponsors’; d) place them and all their property under absolute protection of due process; e) impose a privilege tax (income, property or both) on each one of them; f) among other conditions.

As far as who pays for their expenses and deposit, these should be paid by taxes (as imposed above) or by individuals who complains about the above conditions.  Lay this on such individuals, and watch them panic as they scamper for exits.

All this, of course, presumes US Treasury and military support of some 150 dictatorships around the world is stopped.

Now, do you think this can be done by current forums of redress?  What a silly question.

If this is to be done, it will require First-Amendment assemblies to carry out these conditions – on a county by county basis.

Of course, there’s probably a few Americans who know the powers available thru a First-Amendment assembly.

So the first thing that must be done is for those interested to acquaint themselves with the Declaration of Independence  Specifically, ‘when governments become destructive of our rights, we have the right – nay, the power / duty – to alter or abolish it and set new guards for our liberties’, approximately.

The next step is to learn the real history, law and procedures of redress: the business of First-Amendment assemblies (an introduction: one - two).

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:00 | 6827854 Skiprrrdog
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All right, Ill pay for it... send me the bill...checks in the mail...

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:30 | 6827926 stock market loser
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Please tell me why the top four countries coming into this country are China India Mexico and Phillipines. Last time I check most americans aren't from these countries. Guess the government has an agenda of white extermination. 

 

Immigration act of 1965 destroy the white race in america. 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 14:44 | 6827993 rejected
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Black Friday is 5 days away,,, Stop trying to ruin ameriKans favorite past time ZH.

Anyway, the funding comes from the Federal Reserve "loans" (lol) buying most of the governments paper. AmeriKans don't have a clue and could care less.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:06 | 6828101 Schroedingers Cat
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Deduct it from the pentagon budget

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 15:50 | 6828261 eclessiastes
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the u.s immigration system is a joke. they bring here all trash of other societies and make them easily get citizenship while for a hardworking aryan who pay taxes they make the path much harder. they very much enourage stupidity and stealing instead of hard work. you stay home ? you get free healthcare and money to pay rent and groceries. you work hard ? you pay a lot for healthcare insurance and taxes  to support those who are not like you.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:18 | 6828387 TheDanimal
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I suggest we just join the Free Shit Army with everyone else.  More free riders = faster collapse.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:19 | 6828390 Wild E Coyote
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I don't think you know who is a Aryan.
The word is used in India to mean foreigners.
So, when you say hardworking Aryan, it made me smile.
I think you mean hardworking white men. Why don't you just say it.
You would be absolutely right.
However, I have never seen a more stupid race that allows some Arabs from Israel to control everything and go around crying about it.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 16:16 | 6828376 TheDanimal
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U.S. citizens ARE collectively responsible for the foreign policy of the leaders we elect.  Maybe this will teach people to vote responsibly, but probably not.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 17:46 | 6828750 VWAndy
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Who does your thinkin for ya? I really hope you dont pay them much.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 19:17 | 6829106 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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The CIA, and Pentagon, should vacate their headquarters for the Syrian Refugees, and their extended families. Moreover, every country in the entire World should form a Class Action lawsuit against the Government of the United States of America for the costs associated with taking in Syrian Refugee families. Once the no minds, and fascists, in the MIC realize that they have to pay for the displaced Refugees
and their upkeep, they will find alternative ways to keep themselves employed at the public trough so they can steal moar money.

Up yours, CIA.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 23:41 | 6830094 Mediocritas
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One thing not considered by RP is the impact of food prices:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Environment/Pix/columnists/20...

The red lines are reported riots. It was a reduction in already low living standards - caused by rising food prices (redux) - that sparked the Arab Spring. Fuel had already been poured in the dry grass by decades of poor governance, neocon meddling, overpopulation and environmental destruction, but it was food prices that finally lit the match. In the subsequent chaos, neocon meddlers simply fanned the flames as best they could to pursue their own existing interests.

The aftermath of the Arab Spring, drawn out by political meddling, delivers todays refugees.

So what caused food prices to run up like they did? The trend was mainly due to unusually large crop losses (weather related) and rising demand, but that trend was exacerbated by speculation empowered by easy credit. 

What RP has forgotten to mention is that ZIRP expanded credit for speculative purposes and QE released locked up funds to also be used for speculation by Primary Dealers, $$$s that then made their way back into commodity markets and pushed prices even higher than the previous crisis point, at a time when the global economy had just been eroded by the financial crisis. A perfect storm:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Environment/Pix/columnists/20...

It's easy to blame the Neocons and MIC for their obvious contribution to the current situation, but never, ever forget to also apportion blame to the B(ern)anksters for their market-meddling role in this. Bernanke literally has blood on his hands.

At the intersection of the Banksters, Neocons and MIC can be found the most powerful, harmful and dangerous people in the world. The spotlight of the media is not shone upon them because they also control that spotlight.

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