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Chicago Mayor Emanuel Urges "Remain Peaceful" As Protests Begin After Video Shows Cop Killing Black Teen

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Just as we warned earlier..

With the release of this video, we suggest anyone living in and around Chicago 'brace' for potential social unrest. The Chicago Police Department has released video footage of the officer-involved shooting of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald, who was struck 16 times during a confrontation with officers.

The dashcam video, described by Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez says that this video is "graphic, violent, and chilling," is expected to provoke a very strong emotional reaction from Chicago’s very large African-American community.

As John Kass, a columnist for the Chicago Tribune, said, the video "could tear Chicago apart," which is why Mayor Emanuel has already urged Chicagoans, "it is fine to be passionate, but it is essential to remain peaceful."

The following comes from CNN…

Laquan McDonald was walking down a Chicago street the night of October 20, 2014, carrying a four-inch knife and behaving erratically, authorities say.

 

A police officer told him to drop the knife. He didn’t listen, and the officer fired on him out of fear for his life, according to a police union spokesman.

 

McDonald, 17, died. He was shot 16 times.

Now, more than a year later, the public will be able to see what happened.

 

Warning: this video is graphic (the confrontation begins around 5:00)

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As RT reports, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel urged calm as City Hall got set to release police dash cam footage from the shooting incident, which occurred in October 2014. During the incident, 37-year-old Jason Van Dyke, a white officer, shot and killed McDonald, an African-American teen.

“I understand people will be upset and want to protest when they see this video,” Emanuel told reporters during a Tuesday afternoon press conference.

 

Emanuel cited the McDonald family, saying, “They have asked for calm, and for those who do protest to do so peacefully.”

 

“It is fine to be passionate, but it is essential to remain peaceful,” Emanuel added.

Earlier in the day, Van Dyke became the first on-duty Chicago officer to be charged with first-degree murder. He was ordered held without bail at a hearing. He has been placed on a "no pay" status by the department. As Michael Snyder adds,

Over the past few years, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and Freddie Gray have all become household names because of the way that they died, and now it looks like Laquan McDonald’s name will be added to that list. But the situation in Chicago is potentially even more volatile what we witnessed in either Ferguson or Baltimore.

 

More than a million African-Americans live in the Chicago metropolitan area, and the crime rate in the city has already been skyrocketing. In fact, it is being projected that Chicago’s murder rate will increase by 20 percent in 2015. This is a city that is always living on the edge of chaos, and now the case of Laquan McDonald could be the spark that sets Chicago ablaze.

 

After everything that has happened over the past few years, the last thing that we need is another incident that will make racial tensions in this country even worse. Unfortunately, that appears to be exactly what we are going to get.

 

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Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:07 | 6835559 1stepcloser
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Oh yeah, Rahm is going to have more control and power after this is finished in chi town

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:13 | 6835590 Francis Marx
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I'm sure the cop turned to his partner later and said "We were doing him a favor killing him"

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:14 | 6835902 Unix
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you know, it's communists like you that hack me off...one day the two ideologies are going to clash and it wont turn out well for your kind...do you understand what i am saying here?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:26 | 6835651 BullyBearish
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Very sad

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:32 | 6835685 ArgentDawn
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Everything is going according to the plan

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:15 | 6835905 thetruthhurts
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Judge Dredd

 

 

Storyline

In the year 2139, the Earth has changed into a virtually uninhabitable place called the Cursed Earth. All of the Earth's population have crowded into the cities across the planet, now known as Mega-Cities. The crimes in these Mega-Cities became so violent and so powerful, that the regular justice system was powerless to contain, then it collapsed completely. However, a new justice system came from the ashes, there were three justice systems in one (police, jury and executioner), they were called Judges. In Mega-City One (formerly, New York City), there was a Judge, named Joseph Dredd, who was the toughest and most stringent Judge in history. One day, he was charged with murder, and was tried and sentenced to life in prison because of it.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:20 | 6835928 Frankie Carbone
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Rham-O, never letting a crisis go to waste, is going to use this opportunity to ban guns in the City of Chicago.

 

Ohh wait....

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:00 | 6836120 Fukushima Fricassee
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Fuck Chicago they get what they deserve.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:01 | 6836127 Bryan
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"Hey Rahm-O, this looks like one of those serious crises that "you never let go to waste"."

 

Yeah, maybe he should make Chicago a gun-free zone or something like that.  Oh, wait...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:36 | 6835414 Vlad the Inhaler
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Put a camera on every cop, everywhere.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:46 | 6835457 underman
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Clearly, cams don't stop cold-blooded murder.

This kid needed much more than 16 bullets.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:10 | 6835571 JLee2027
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Arm the people and fire all the cops to reduce crime.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:27 | 6836235 Fukushima Fricassee
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and taxes

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:28 | 6835665 FIAT CON
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A microphone as well,

And let's urine test these assholes, while were at it. We cannot have drug consuming cops killing drug consuming public.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:37 | 6835419 insanelysane
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In Chicago, the term "remain peaceful" means keep the number of shootings under 50 for the week and homicides to 10 or fewer.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:48 | 6835462 Normalcy Bias
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Well, they don't count the black on black civilian murders, do they?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:05 | 6835543 nmewn
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Well, at least this is all happening in the Deep South so no one gets confused and the idiot prog media narrative can continue!

Wait...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:51 | 6836069 DirkDiggler11
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My eyes may have fooled me, or perhaps it was Rahm the "shape-shifter" but I don't think it was the Confederate Flag that shot the brother 16 fucking times....

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:18 | 6835615 TruthHunter
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"they don't count..." 

They never learned to count that high?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:48 | 6835755 Consuelo
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It doesn't $$$sell...

 

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:38 | 6835420 lazysunday
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that KID was DOA even if he was armed, look at all those fat fucking cops pointing at him for "J" Walking.....

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:45 | 6835422 JustObserving
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Chicago will be the new Detroit much faster now.  Or is it the new Flint?

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-kill-citizens-70-times-rate-firs...

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:06 | 6835547 CHoward
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Third world - first world - fuck it, the entire world is a shit hole any more.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:16 | 6835610 JustObserving
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3 Killings by Chicago Police Covered Up, Ex-Investigator Alleges

 

Lorenzo Davis says he was fired by an investigative agency for refusing to change reports that found cops were at fault for shooting civilians.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/21/three-killings-by-chica...
Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:13 | 6835895 nmewn
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On Rahms watch! Say it ain't so!!!

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:44 | 6835426 LetThemEatRand
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Too bad the fucked up knife guy wasn't white.  So it will once again become a race issue instead of a real examination of why police officers no longer understand or appreciate that they are paid to protect and serve someone other than themselves.  Clearly the guy was no threat to the cops who had surrounded him with guns drawn.  He was shot because we have a militarized police who believe they are Judge Dredd.  The race of the perp probably played little role in what happened, but it will be the focus of national discussion.  

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:53 | 6835467 algol_dog
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Years ago, growing up in Chicago, it was taken for granted that whites get it just as readily, if not worse, due to there being less attention paid to something being done on a white victim. Can't imagine it's any different now. 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:05 | 6835542 CHoward
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I have to disagree that race probably didn't play a part.  I think the fact that it indeed was a black kid, that determined his fate, right then and there.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:12 | 6835884 Unix
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u b racisss and a dumbass too

where do you anti-intellectuals get your ideas? oh that's right from our liberal college system...turning brains to mush each and every day

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:19 | 6835617 buzzardsluck
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U

 

Feel better?  Been awhile, forgot the 'BOOYAH' at the end.

 

Want to bet which 'suspect' had the longer, more violent rap sheet?  I honestly have no idea, just asking.

 

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:10 | 6835877 Unix
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yeah buzzard that was terrible too...

everyone here needs to see that side by side with this video

some police are good, some arent...all criminals are bad, else they wouldnt be criminals. 

what a fucked up world we live in...i wonder what all these pusses would have done in the wild wild west eh?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:50 | 6836083 NoPension
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This shit fucks me up. I don't who to root for.

Thu, 11/26/2015 - 01:41 | 6841468 acetinker
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Rand, I really hope you check old threads because this is something I truly believe to be true:

If the perp is perceived as having means, the cops will make every effort to take him/her into custody, so that the court can extract those means.

However, if the perp is perceived as destitute-  the cops are trained to kill.  Not subdue.  Not Maim. Kill.

Ya' see?  If ya' maim a wo/man you'll have to pay for rehab before they even get to the court.

Not good for business.

If the perp is judged destitute, at the scene of the 'crime', the perp is to be eliminated.

Now that's good business!

I live next door to a popo Captain of a fairly large municipality who's more than ready to retire.  He can't agree, obviously, but his pained smile speaks volumes.

Before ya' get all pissy on me- realize that I'm self-employed with absolutely no .gov safety net.

...as I understand you are as well.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:39 | 6835427 Larry Dallas
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Fuck Rahm.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:56 | 6835504 o r c k
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If the victim was filming while walking he would have been shot even sooner. Cops don't tolerate cameras. Too many cops have been exposed as liars (although never punished)  This 1st degree charge will be lowered to involuntary manslaughter as usual.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:39 | 6835428 Be_Optimistic
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Not this shit again

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 18:16 | 6840157 FixItAgainTony
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The suspiciously timed, voluntary video release and riots may allow TPTB to bury the ZATO CF in Syria and reset public attention.  If not, highlighting some other Officer Involved Shooting may be required.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:39 | 6835429 jaxville
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  About fucking time that a triger happy cop is held accountable.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:46 | 6835456 quintago
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Don't worry, the charges will be dropped once the dust settles.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:04 | 6835849 Unix
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jax, i'd love to see you in that situation, i bet you would shit your panties...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:42 | 6835433 kerfuffled
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I don't see the issue. He stretched his arm holding a gun, then was shot an extra time. Highly suggestive of Rahm to hype this up like this.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:46 | 6835455 LetThemEatRand
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You must have watched a different video.  Even in the small window version I could see he did not have a gun or point his knife at anyone.  

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:52 | 6835484 underman
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He's skipping along like he's oblivious.  Like he's a kid who just got a pocket knife gift from his grandpa and he's out dancing and showing it off to the neighbors. 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:54 | 6835487 kerfuffled
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If its indeed a knife and callled in as knife attack then the shots on the floor were not warranted. The initial shots were, he was well within knife striking range and danced like a michael jackson.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:01 | 6835522 LetThemEatRand
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If he had been Michael Jackson, then I'd be all for shooting him.  But in all seriousness, he was just some guy who was clearly fucked up and didn't obey authority, so he was shot.  Part of the job of being a cop means taking some risk.   That concept is lost now.  Further, I don't even see any risk to numerous officers who had guns drawn and could have dropped him if he started charging one of them.  

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:05 | 6835538 BKbroiler
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The initial shots were (warranted)

The hell is wrong with you?  They just murdered this guy.  They didn't have to shoot him, or they could have shot him once, in the foot. 16 rounds for a teenager with a knife 15 feet away?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:30 | 6835675 tmosley
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A: You never shoot in the foot, or leg, or anywhere other than to kill.  A gun is NOT a nonlethal, or less than lethal weapon. If you do that as a civillian, you will be prosecuted, even if you had a valid claim of self defense.

B: The guy was clearly on something, or insane, or both.

C: 15 feet is well within knife range. An attacker armed with a knife has an advantage out to 30 feet (maybe less with guns drawn and aimed). An attacker with a knife can move quicker than you can re-aim (after he starts charging) and pull the trigger, possibly getting the other cops in the line of fire. Only the cop he is charging doesn't have to re-aim.

D: He was clearly on something, and the pissant 9mm cops carry these days (thanks affirmative action or whatever--girls have trouble handling a .357), a doped up asshole with a knife can continue chargine after you empty a magazine into them.  The weakness of the calibur forces overkill.  One shot from a .357 would take down any human, no matter what he is on, pretty much not matter where you hit him, while practically anyone, nevermind a dope fiend, can shrug off a 9mm and die a few hours later, after having run a half mile to get away/murder a few more people.

They could have tased him, but tasers are only to be used as a substitute for a gun, when use of lethal force would be accepted (and those who use them for situations that don't warrent shooting them to death should be removed from the force if not prosecuted for assault).

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:55 | 6835758 BKbroiler
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Your logic sucks.  What you don't do is shoot a teenager with knife 16 times.  What was he going to do, throw it at the cop? Do you think he would have hit him? And they couldn't fire a warning shot?

If you are that terrified for your own life then you don't become a cop.  Cops throughout the world can subdue perps with night sticks, because they're trained and they're brave. And yes, shooting this kid in the foot would have saved his life, and the cop from a murder charge.  

On a separate note, the problem with cops handguns isn't the caliber, it's the 12lb trigger pull modification required.  Triggers that heavy make for a significantly worse shot.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:02 | 6835830 Unix
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hey hamburger head, you have no logic at all, why dont you just run along and play with your ken and barbie dolls, k...buh bye now

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:14 | 6835899 tmosley
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"What was he going to do, throw it at the cop?"

No, he was going to run at him and stab him in the face.  15 feet isn't as far as you seem to think it is.  You can cover that distance in five steps--less than a second at sprinting speed.

"And they couldn't fire a warning shot?"

No, that is literally illegal.

"If you are that terrified for your own life then you don't become a cop."

You are completely retarded.

" And yes, shooting this kid in the foot would have saved his life, and the cop from a murder charge.  "

No, the gunshot would have made everyone else shoot as well. And if they didn't, the drugged out little fuck would be delayed in reaching by maybe an extra second IF the cop hit that tiny target.

"On a separate note, the problem with cops handguns isn't the caliber, it's the 12lb trigger pull modification required."

Yes, my father put a hair trigger on the revolver he gave my mother. The point is that they could use more restraint if they had the appropriate tool for the job.  They also wouldn't create that idiot-drawing headline "poor dindo shot 10000 times by savage cis white male police." One and done.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:32 | 6835938 BKbroiler
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If your arguments held water he would have been acquitted.  A group of police officers surrounding a 17 year old with a knife should be able to subdue him, alive. 

If you can run 15 feet in 1 second from a stand still  send me proof and you can have all my silver.  

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:36 | 6836000 tmosley
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I don't take amphetamines or PCP. Fastest runner in the world off drugs can cover twice that distance in that time though. Not a stretch that someone yong and in shape on drugs could hit half that speed.

But hell, maybe I will get out there and do a little training. How much you got?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:46 | 6836060 BKbroiler
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I'd have to find it.  See there was this boating accident...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:37 | 6836290 NuckingFuts
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You would be surprised what a 9mm with the right ammo in the right hands can do. It's not as if the target wasn't at close range. Yes a larger caliber would have more stopping power but these are supposed to be perfessionals, correct? That's what we pay them for.

And this fucking nonsense about being doped up... Drugs do not make people superhuman, you can not jump tall buildings and run faster than a locomotive on meth/crack/whatever. (PCP? Really when was the last time anyone even heard of that?). The laws of physics and human anatomy do not change after someone smokes crack.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 00:33 | 6836531 tmosley
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The laws of physics don't change the fact that if you can't feel your body, you can run on a broken foot, or sprint with several holes in your torso, so long as your heart or aeorta aren't perforated.  Heart, Brain, Aeorta, and the spine are the only places you can shoot that will instantly drop an opponent reliably. Everything else results in either a slow kill, a lingering kill, or no kill at all. Even with a punctured aeorta you could make it a few dozen yards, just like a severed head can remain conscious for several seconds.

"PCP? Really when was the last time anyone even heard of that?"

Full retard.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 04:10 | 6836901 Moon Pie
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Hey, Irish tmosley, what's your story? 

20 Feet and going away, moving away.  Ass clown. 

How does someone walking away, moving away, how does their heart, brain, aeorta, spine, spleen drop?  Is the kill any slower or fast as they are moving away?  Can they take two more steps away or four?  Six?

Do they die faster from sixteen bullets or one?

How is a cow slaughtered?  Do you know?  Did they teach you that in County Mayo?

You unconscionable ass.

Call him a nigger again.  Douche.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 02:05 | 6836737 BadLibertarian
Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:50 | 6835468 Bay Area Guy
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Every account says knife, and you say gun. Trying to hype a particular narrative?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:02 | 6835529 CHoward
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The kid had a KNIFE damn it.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:42 | 6835437 surf0766
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Channeling Dear Leader. Now lets not rush to judgement

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:43 | 6835441 Caveman93
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I guess a Tazer would have just been too silly to deploy eh?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:44 | 6835443 Infinite QE
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Now where's the pharma report on what was in the little gangbanger's body that had him all jacked up?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:43 | 6836326 NuckingFuts
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Not relevant at all. Who the fuck cares how high the fucking kid was. Being high is not a capital offense so it doesn't matter. Was he an immediate threat to LEO or not?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:55 | 6835481 FIAT CON
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Once again the outcome will be " don't let one bad cop wreck it for all cops"

But they always let "one bad citizen wreck it for all citizens"... never the same brush...

The spring is getting wound tighter and tighter!

On the streets of Murica,

Within the banking system,

and in the Middle East

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:53 | 6835489 EARLPEARL
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16 times......not 4 or 5 but 16...where do they find these morons

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:00 | 6835517 JuliaS
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We had to nuke Japan twice... just to be sure.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:21 | 6835625 BidnessMan
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Any minor knowledge of history would recall the Japanese did not surrender until after the second bomb on Nagasaki.  US Casualties from a Japan invasion were estimated to be 500,000 US service men - and 500,000 Purple Heart medals were manufactured.  Always surprises me how clueless people are to dismiss avoiding 500,000 US dead and wounded in a hopeless Japanese defense effort.   

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:25 | 6835650 JuliaS
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Oh, sure! And Saddam had WMD's.

Credible intelligence from the most trustworthy government on the planet, I tell'ya!

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:59 | 6835822 Unix
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juliea, i beg you to get an edumacation, you will see how it changes your mindset. All you got there are a couple of brain cells that dont interact. Please stop spreading lies, what the man said above is the damn truth. I have read there would have been 1 million dead.

do us all a favor and crawl back under your rock, it's safe there for you

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:53 | 6836094 Uchtdorf
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You guys who support the use of atomic weapons against Japan at the end of WWII always shoot your argument full of holes without realizing it. The guy you're defending claims the "official" number of US soldier lives saved would have been 500k. You support his claim and "strengthen" it by saying that it could have been 1 million...and all this based on some "edumacation" you flippantly tell someone else to get. That your debate tactics are laughable goes without saying. Why can't you objectively accept that there are dozens of theories about the number of potential casualties and none are provable? As long as another of your fellow proponents is on the side of the "yeah but it saved American lives" argument, it is acceptable no matter how ridiculous the figure is.

Neither you or the first claimant have a shred of evidence that you are right. You can't prove how many "would have died" because you don't know how things would have gone in each or any of the battles. You don't know how quickly the Japanese Emperor would have surrendered if the Marines had actually landed in Yokohama or Osaka. 

So many citizens of ZH accept the facts:

  • that government lies (about almost everything)
  • that the Federal Reserve is/was happy to finance wars (and loan money for expensive weapons like an A-bomb)
  • that the MIC is crooked and self-serving

... and yet when it comes to using nuclear weapons on Japan, they totally fall for the government baloney. A strange phenomenon.

Now shall we return to the disaster called Chicago?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:34 | 6836265 Unix
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hey DORK, disprove it fella...you wrote a lot of hogwash, and you are boring too.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 00:37 | 6836465 stormsailor
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Japan's geography made this invasion plan quite obvious to the Japanese as well; they were able to predict the Allied invasion plans accurately and thus adjust their defensive plan, Operation Ketsugu, accordingly. The Japanese planned an all-out defense of Kyushu, with little left in reserve for any subsequent defense operations. Casualty predictions varied widely, but were extremely high. Depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians would have resisted the invasion, estimates ran up into the millions for Allied casualties.[13]

 

using the casualities from okinawa where civilians fought with soldiers in prepared defensive positions with prepositioned weapons etc.  the allies, mostly american would have first had to invade kyushu.  they could not directly attack honshu and leave two self supported islands in their rear, had truman not used the atomic weapons at our disposal and suffered 1 million dead or wounded he would have gone down in history as the stupidest president in history.  you may owe your existence to the fact that he had the moral courage to drop those weapons. the japanese had shown nothing but fanatic resistance up to the making of that decision.  and curtis lemay and the 21st army air corp had nearly burned every city in japan to the ground killing hundreds of thousands.  this did not soften their resistance.

 

i find your grasp of history cursory and shallow.  truman wasn't certain that the weapons would even work, although the trinity test had been successful.  we only had 2 bombs. one u-235 and one plutonium.  it would have been at least 3 months to produce another but after sucessfully dropping 2 and not knowing how many more we may have, the japanese emperor surrendered.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 00:37 | 6836549 Uchtdorf
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Nope. You're ignoring all the records, from participants on both sides of the war, that the Japanese were asking for surrender before the bombs were dropped. But the banksters and the MIC couldn't have that, now could they? I had a Navy uncle who drove Marines ashore in Okinawa. I lived in Japan for 8 years. I have studied the war with great interest. Shallow is a description that definitely doesn't fit my understanding of this issue.

So if you're stuck on an island, unable to escape and engaged in a battle to the death, and your enemy won't allow you to surrender, would you shoot yourself in the head while your mother, sister, daughter depended on you for their sustenance? Or would you keep fighting, resigned to your fate, no matter how terrible?

It's really embarrassing how some ZHers trust this part of the US government story...while the traitor,George Catlett Marshall, was running the military for the one-worlders. After the war, that same Marshall was to show his Socialist stripes with the Plan named after him and again soon thereafter by disarming Chiang Kai-Shek for Mao. Oh yeah, you can rely on the gubmint's numbers.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 00:49 | 6836576 stormsailor
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wow, you read it in some obscure book?  i don't recall any japanese asking for surrender, my navy uncle and marine uncle saw nothing but fanatical resistance,  i don't think taking prisoners was much in fashion due to the japanese code. as to the government story i'm sure there may be some spin, but the simple fact was we attacked the japanese where they were and that was from new guinea north all the way to japan, korea, and china,  so your saying there were no japanese soldiers there?  or that the jap navy wasn't there? or that they were trying to surrender and were not allowed to?

 

you lived in japan for 8 years, wow,  did some special osmosis occur there that gives you a clue

 

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 01:47 | 6836704 Uchtdorf
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They were trying to surrender and not allowed to. Even Douglas MacArthur admitted as much.

Mu uncle spent time on Honshu after the surrender. The Japanese were a sick, starving people. They did not have that much fight left in them.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 02:46 | 6836780 JuliaS
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We had 2 bombs built for Berlin, but they were both finished behind schedule, so we had to drop'em some other place Allies haven't already carved up. The reason we dropped 2 was because we made 2, not 1, not 3, but exactly 2. Why 2? Because when the project was commissioned there were doubts about our ability to refine enough Plutonium for "Fat Man", so a lower yield backup was made with more abundant Uranium.

And even with all the delays, with Japan being completely decimated, navy destroyed, airfields leveled and crop fields burned to a crisp we were still in such a rush to deliver the bombs to unprotected targets, that detonators had to be installed by hand in mid flight, in violation of safety protocols. The fear was that the first bomb could've gone boom right on the airfield.

You see, Japan by then had already attempted to surrender 3 times and if they kept on doing it might've made us look like the mass murderers we were. They had to be silenced and fear had to be put into them Russkies. 2 birds with 1 stone.

Oh, and as a side benefit, we got to write our own version of history! America, fuck yeah!

During the infamous Yalta summit Roosevelt hinted to Stalin that they were about to show some new weapon unknown to the rest of the world, and in response Stalin made a joke about it being "unknown". It is believed that USSR had its share of spies in the Manhattan project, and early blueprints of what eventually became Tzar Bomba were already in existence.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 07:59 | 6837143 Uchtdorf
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Thank you.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 18:27 | 6840188 FixItAgainTony
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Also, CCCP beat the western allies to Berlin and Truman did not want that to happen with Tokyo.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:22 | 6835936 Skiprrrdog
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Hey, I represent that! We have the *best* gubmint money can buy...

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 03:32 | 6836860 FIAT CON
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Really what did the leaders on either side care? I would guess that their children were not in harms way except for the japanese citzens perhaps.

Some how the rich and powerful never seem to be in the trenches or their children.

 

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 03:32 | 6836861 FIAT CON
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Really what did the leaders on either side care? I would guess that their children were not in harms way except for the japanese citzens perhaps.

Some how the rich and powerful never seem to be in the trenches or their children.

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:14 | 6835602 Bryan
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I could be wrong, but aren't they trained to shoot until the perp stops moving?  Seriously.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:40 | 6835699 Captain Nukem
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He was probably nervous and his finger slipped. That might explain things (if he was carrying a tommy gun).

Good news: the victim's family will have no trouble winning a nice juicy wrongful death settlement from the city. Bad news: Chicago is broke.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:20 | 6835929 Skiprrrdog
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Let them eat lottery tickets...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 20:54 | 6835492 Unix
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rut-row, chicongo is gonna go bannas

damn, is it not enough we have WWIII starting, and now a civil war...hell I've been calling it for a LONG LONG time, I guess I am now tired of doing so.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:00 | 6835514 rsnoble
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What did the cop kick away from him when he was on the ground?  I have to admit, I might get a bit nervous and shoot first 'if' it was a gun.

I'm growing quite tired of this shit.

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:31 | 6835980 markitect
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He had a knife and had slashed a cop car tire before the vid starts.  But 16 rounds still seems like overkill.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:00 | 6835519 1stepcloser
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Chicago going all Baltimore..

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:06 | 6835549 Ralph Spoilsport
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Bodymore, Murderland. Charm City. Where the debris meets the sea. 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:11 | 6835572 1stepcloser
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I know I've puked many times into the harbor...God damn fells point... good times..good times

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:18 | 6835914 Skiprrrdog
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Why no dear, those are not sea lions... they appear to be dead, floating negroes...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:13 | 6835594 e_goldstein
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CME, CBoT, Chicago Fed, Mayor's office, that secret prison Tyler wrote about last summer...

Hey #BLM, there are lots of interesting places to go in Chicago.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:01 | 6835520 CHoward
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It's pretty obvious that police departments train their subordinates to ONLY shoot or taser - absolutely nothing else is allowed.  That cop who shot this kid was only out of his car for what - maybe 8 seconds at the most and in that short time - the kid was NO WHERE near him - he determined his life was in jeopardy?  BULL FUCKING SHIT!  He murdered that kid - no ifs, ands or buts.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:07 | 6835553 EBT excepted
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d'popo guy walk up on da bruthah too, jus' befo' da shootin'...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:21 | 6835631 Sparehead
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Not to say this was the right course of action, but this was a belligerent suspect and the threat wasn't zero. It looks like he was just starting to change direction when he was hit. We can't see facial cues and detailed body language from the dash cam view. You can't say definitively this was murder and not either self defense or at least an over reaction. Murder is defined by being premeditated.

The old FBI 21 foot rule exists because people underestimate the danger of knives. Granted they already had their weapons drawn but again we're not talking zero threat. 

Commence standard down ratings for not automatically condemning the cops…

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:32 | 6835686 lazysunday
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Brother, in all over the world they don't have this shoot first mentality....check out this video of a fucking mad man with a machette in the UK, no shots fired and no one got hurt.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw

 

Your buying the bullshit they feed you that it is us or them mentaility of the cops in any dangerous situation. Sort of the same mentality the USSA uses on foreign policy. 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:09 | 6835874 Sparehead
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I believe British cops don't typically carry firearms, as was the case in that video. You're also referring to the western world, not "all over the world". In most countries someone acting like this would be shot and killed and no one would care. It certainly wouldn't make the news. In fact you could do far less and end up dead in much of the world. Hell, the cops and robbers are indistinguishable in some countries. It's true compared to much of the western world the US has more police killings, but then we also have more violent ghetto areas and gangsta culture. Our criminals are typically much better armed too. The way things are going I'd expect much of Europe to start looking much more "American".

You couldn't pay me enough to be a cop, certainly not in a US city. I imagine they end up with a chronic build-up of animosity towards thuggy types. If this guy snapped that wouldn't be shocking. I'm just taking issue with the claim that this was a definitive premeditated "I'm gonna kill this guy" murder.

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 00:12 | 6836460 lazysunday
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Have you been to the european ghetto's? there just as bad as ussa ghetto's. The cops in the usa have blood lust and they have had immunity for decades for their behaviors. 

Looks like the criminals in Paris were preety well armed....

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 11:29 | 6837963 Sparehead
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Yes, I have though not in a while. Even now you will not find nearly as many shitholes in Europe, and neither will they be as widespread. Is there an eastcoast US city that isn't at least 1/3 shithole?

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 07:34 | 6837109 FredFlintstone
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British cop = hall monitor

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:50 | 6835771 FIAT CON
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So then I guess when any cop approaches a citizen. The citizen  should shoot the cop because he has a gun and is coming at you, how do the citizens know that the cop is not going to use the gun on them... 

 This whole thing is messed up... One day there will be blowback from this...

 Cops are pussies, they are so Fn afraid of the public, that they have become murderers. 

What state is it legal to shoot cops?(as per the ZH article a few weeks back)

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:43 | 6836033 tmosley
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Most cops don't pull their guns out and wave them around all the time.

If one did, you would be within your rights to shoot him.  Of course, I mean your natural rights.  The police and legal system would (probably) see it differently.

The difference between me and libertarians is that I also defend the natural rights of police and government officials. Those who don't violate the NAP don't get any retribution. Those who do get the noose.  In this case, the cops did not violate the NAP, save perhaps through some odd interpretation where public property becomes unowned and thus anyone can do whatever they want there.  Fact is that he was threatening people, and they were defending the public from a madman. Could they have taken him down non-lethally? Sure.  But that is a matter of policy, and their crappy policy says no.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:38 | 6836008 tmosley
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Uhhh, I dn't think the guy driving the car that made the video was the one that shot the guy, guy.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:38 | 6836294 smokescreen
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I was a thug kid ... but never mess with someone who has a gun. Bad move thats the only reason he's dead...atleast the stupid ends there...bad genes.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:02 | 6835525 yomutti
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What part of "Stop and put your hands up" do these monkeys not get???

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:05 | 6835536 Unix
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pants up dont loot...BLACK LIES DONT MATTER

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:28 | 6835661 bunnyswanson
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We are all Palestinians now!

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:32 | 6835689 tmosley
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If they were Palestinians, there would be walls around Detroit and Chicago, and 90% of those cities would have been pounded to rubble by bombing.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:10 | 6835570 scaleindependent
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Yo-Killer-Mutti

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:55 | 6835796 FIAT CON
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Ya lets see you reach for yours pants, when they are falling down and you get murdered for pulling your pants up...

Thanks to the police state... I will not travel to the US...ever... My tourist dollars will never be spent in the US...and I am sure there is a lot of people thinking this way today.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:04 | 6835534 Unix
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down down down, there's a burning ring of fire...a ring of fire

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:15 | 6835535 lester1
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They won't riot. Nothing left to burn down. They already destroyed the ghetto areas of Chicago back in 1968. Virtually nothing has been rebuilt since. Lol

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:01 | 6836126 DirkDiggler11
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Well, they could start by burning down Obumma and Chewy's mansion ...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:05 | 6835539 I Write Code
Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:08 | 6835562 FredFlintstone
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Use the sidewalk and don't run with knives

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:09 | 6835564 frontierland
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With as many of these wild chimps running around killing each other, killing good White people.. I see this as a "Good Kill."

 

Interesting timing though, releasing the video as the US, Turkey, France and oh yea, the Jewish Supremeacists are all "F"ing with Russia.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:10 | 6835569 Seasmoke
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Moral Hazard is a bitch ..... Rahm it up Emaunels ass. 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:11 | 6835577 grunk
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I guess black lives don't matter.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:13 | 6835586 1stepcloser
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I feel bad for the 8 kids he left behind.....with the 6 different mommas 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:14 | 6835903 Skiprrrdog
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Of course they do! The good news is, since they all look the same, well just make more and no one will notice...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:12 | 6835580 yellowsub
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Need to spark a civil disobedience to distract from another location around the world.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:13 | 6835892 Skiprrrdog
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Detroit?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:12 | 6835583 Cautiously Pess...
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Oh boy...  Chiraq is going to be burnt to the ground over this.  Sigh....

In the words of that great rapper/poet, Coolio:

As we walk down the road of our destiny
and the time comes to choose which it gonna be
the wide and crooked, or the straight and narrow
we got one voice to give and one life to live
stand up for something or lie down in your game
listen to the song that we sing
it's up to you to make it be
I guess I'll see you when you see me.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:13 | 6835595 Ghostdog
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Rahm Emmanuel, If he didnt have a cunt, he'd be a dick

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:09 | 6835783 Skiprrrdog
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According to Quantum Theory, his is such an immense dick, that he is a cunt and a dick at the same time, and that they are connected...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:18 | 6835598 DontWorry
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He was reported to be breaking into  cars.  The cops found him and confronted him.  They requested an officer with a taser.  At this point he's caught.  The officer who shot, Jason Van Dyke, responds.  The police point guns at thim and tell him to stop and get on the ground.  He has a knife and keeps walking towards police.  They continue to tell him to stop. Van Dyke shoots, hitting him 16 times.  https://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/chicago_photo/2015/11/laquan-mcdona... He is the only officer that shoots.  Analysis of the video shows that the the shot to the head that kills him occurs after he fell to the ground.  In Illinois, the office was not in immediate fear of his life and ha dno legal reason to shoot.  This is an extra-judicial police execution.  Police have to stop killing people when they have no legal right to do so.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:28 | 6835662 Duc888
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Don'yWorry : He has a knife and keeps walking towards police......

 

 

Looked to me he was walking past them.... maybe I gotta watch the video again...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:32 | 6835688 nmewn
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He still brought a knife to a gun fight no matter how you slice it, prolly a bad move on Laquan's part.

Just sayin.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:29 | 6835666 nmewn
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Hey, we had sheriff down here in Lakeland that was asked by a "NYC media darling" why his officers shot a guy 32 times.

His response: "I guess that's all the ammo they had."

You could hear a pin drop...lol.

He was re-elected, of course the guy had killed a cop (and his K-9) and stole the cops gun.

Shit happens ;-)

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:15 | 6835604 Unix
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just wait until blackliesmatter joins up with daesh....ugh

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:20 | 6835629 orangegeek
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BULLSEYE!!!!  Nice shot!!!

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:51 | 6835772 grunk
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What about the other 15 shots?

Wed, 11/25/2015 - 06:49 | 6837060 orangegeek
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Practicing.  

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:21 | 6835630 Unix
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I WANT OFF THIS EVIL ROCK!

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:26 | 6835653 bunnyswanson
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It's the training from You-Know-Who which should be focused on.  This is not Israel.  We are not Arabs/Palestinians but you'd never know it by the contempt, eh?

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/us-police-get-antiterror-trainin...

"...training of American police since the 9/11 attacks: At least 300 high-ranking sheriffs and police from agencies large and small – from New York and Maine to Orange County and Oakland, California – have traveled to Israel for privately funded seminars in what is described as counterterrorism techniques."

"Since 2002, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs have sent police chiefs, assistant chiefs and captains on fully paid trips to Israel and the Palestinian territories to observe the operations of the Israeli national police, the Israel Defense Forces, the Israeli Border Patrol and the country’s intelligence services. Tax documents from the Jewish Institute show the organization spent $36,857 on the trips in 2012."

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:45 | 6836047 Unix
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so bunny, what you are telling me is this kid died because the joooooos did it, right? i am sick and tired of the anti-semitism here, go fuck a goat

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:23 | 6835639 Bopper09
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It was hard to tell that a broke city, in a state that can't pay lottery winnings out, would end up tearing itself apart.  Fucking seriously.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:24 | 6835641 grunk
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The video started slowly, but it built up the suspense.
Predictable ending.

Thumbs down.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:25 | 6835645 Spungo
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I thought of an awesome idea for an april fools joke. Someone should make a very well made video showing white police officers killing an unarmed black man while saying racist stuff. Release it to the internet and watch the riots start. April Fools!

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:30 | 6835970 cheka
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tape up a couple dozen ice chests and leave them laying around nyc :)

watch the paranoid freaks piss their panties

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:25 | 6835649 Duc888
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5:28 >>>>>  he was not moving towards the officers.  However.....he was in fact within what might be called a dangerous range to them even for a knife.

 

Years ago I took a pretty comprehensive armed self defence course.... to prove a point my instructor made each and every one of us pupils stand 30 ft away with a rubber knife.  One after another each of us took turns with a holstered pistol under a windbreaker while others held the rubber knife.  All I gotta say is that you'd be damned surprised how fast someone can cover 30 ft even from a dead stop charging you with a knife...  about 50% of us cleared the firearm from the holster and were able to raise it level and yell "bang" before getting poked by the rubber knife.  The other 1/2 weren't that fast.  Just for kicks... try it some time 30FT away with a buddy, using props of course......

 

This kid looked closer than 30 ft to the officers... however they already had their weapons cleared from their holsters...I don't believe they should have smoked this dumb ass though...he was not advancing in their direction.

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:37 | 6835712 FredFlintstone
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They could have followed him around all night and kept asking him politley to put the knife down.

Someone suggested a taser. Then what? Put him in jail? Tax dollars housing, defending, supervising his release/parole, rinse and repeat?

Maybe the cop was expressing his existential angst

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:48 | 6835760 Skiprrrdog
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Either that or the dead guy thought that death by cop was preferable to going to the Cook County lockup....

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 23:00 | 6836118 Blankone
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I'll take a prop gun, point it at you with the hammer back and my finger on the trigger while you are walking past me.  You try to turn and run towards me before I fire at least 5 times.

Better yet.  Before you turn 2 buddies will hit you with pepper spray, stun guns, etc..

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:33 | 6835670 foodstampbarry
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The city had no choice but to the fry this cop, maximum chimpout was only days away.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:33 | 6835694 WorkingClassMan
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Carrying a knife and acting erratically...well, looks like they brought a quick conclusion to his erratic behavior and knife-wielding ways.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:38 | 6835714 lazysunday
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw

 

this guy had knife that would make Rambo's look like a pocket knife.....3 mins and 30 seconds that's all it takes....but cops in Chi-Town only have 6 seconds to waste on citizens.

 

 

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:56 | 6835806 Skiprrrdog
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He probably did the gateway thing, running with scissors when he was a young-un...

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 22:31 | 6835982 cheka
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obvious and proven threat to the public.  they did their job

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 21:34 | 6835697 Sparehead
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Woo hoo!, big screen TVs are 100% off this week.

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