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Russia Deploys Warship Off Syrian Coast To "Destroy Any Threats To Russian Planes"
Despite demands from France's Hollande, America's Obama, and NATO's Stoltenberg that this situation not esclate, it appears Putin is not taking the shooting down of a fighter jet lying down. The seemingly cagey confirmation by NATO and Obama of Turkey's claims that Russia invaded its airspace has been rebuked by Russia which claims the Hmeimim airbase radar shows the attacking Turkish plane violating Syrian airspace. In response, Russia is moving a Cruiser 'Moskva' off the coast to strengthen air-defenses - just as French and US carriers are on their way.
Here is The Turkish version mapping of the flight paths.
Russia claims otherwise:
- HMEIMIM AIRBASE'S RADAR SYSTEM RECORDS VIOLATION OF SYRIAN AIRSPACE BY ATTACKING TURKISH WARPLANE - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY
And is escalating:
- RUSSIAN 'MOSKVA" CRUISER TO GO TO AREA IN COASTAL LATAKIA TO STRENGTHEN AIR DEFENSE IN SYRIA - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY
The Missile cruiser in question:
The reason for the deployment:
- RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES GENERAL STAFF: NONE OF OUR PARTNERS, COUNTRIES FIGHTING ISIL HAVE EVER TOLD US THAT SO-CALLED MODERATE OPPOSITION UNITS WERE IN AREA WHERE SU-24 DOWNED
- NO ATTEMPTS REGISTERED ON PART OF TURKISH PLANE TO GET IN TOUCH OR ESTABLISH VISUAL CONTACT WITH OUR CREW VIA OBJECTVE CONTROL DEVICES - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINSTRY
- WARSHIP TO DESTROY ANY THREATS SEEN TO RUSSIAN PLANES: IFX
Specifically, as RT reports, the steps announced by Russian top brass as the following:Three steps as announced by top brass:
- Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
- Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
- Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended
Just like the downing of flight MH17 over Ukraine, it has quickly become a case of "he said, she said":
Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber. The Turkish fighter jet made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.
“We assume the strike was carried out with a close range missile with an infra-red seeker,” Rudskoy said. “The Turkish jet made no attempts to communicate or establish visual contact with our crew that our equipment would have registered. The Su-24 was hit by a missile over Syria’s territory."
Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.
As a result, Russia now plans to implement new measures aimed at strengthening the security of the country’s air base in Syria and in particular to bolster air defense. Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province's coast.
"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.
“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” he added.
Furthermore, as the Russian Ministry of Defense explained, going forward, any Turkish plane that enters Syrian airspace will be fair game.
#SYRIA #Rudskoy Russian Defence Ministry warns that all the potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed
— ?????????? ?????? (@mod_russia) November 24, 2015
And again, all this is happening as both the French carrier de Gaulle and the US carrier CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman are on their way to a very dangerous rendezvous off the Syrian coast.
So just as we warned in September, the situation has become a complete rerun of the 2013 Syria "Mediterranean" showdown, with full naval engagement by all parties, except this time the tensions are significantly escalated, a Russian fighter jet has just been taken down, US and French aircraft carriers are arriving in weeks, and Putin will not hestitate to go as far as he has to in order to save face.
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"...who you deduced" or how you deduced?
Maybe "without military intelligence" is a veiled way of calling them stupid. Just a thought.
I took my dog for a walk. He pissed on the tires while I pissed on the driver's door of my Turkish neighbor's Mercedes Benz. It was a bonding experience.
Your Turkish neighbour is probably there to get away from Erdogan and his like.
Yippy.
Also an anti-German sentiment.
Let's call it what it is: Damnable micro-diesel aggression.
There. It's on the table and must be faced.
reminds me of a German taxi driver in Berlin I saw recently stop his car in a broad daylight on a busy street in Zeelendorf , he took his dick out and started peeing on a tree
It's time Vlad. You know what you must do. The snakes head is israel. Time to chop it to bits.
They will try that sometime.....read Ezekiel 38....
300-400 nukes, subs and cruise missile delivery systems.. I don't think they are ready to die just yet..
One story in the 1001 stories of Arabian Night says, life of the genie is in the parrot in the cage. To kill the genie you must kill the parrot first.
"The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) has even begun approaching the Euphrates River east of Aleppo, which would effectively cut off ISIS [ISIL] from its supply lines leading out of Turkish territory," Cartalucci narrates in his latest article for New Eastern Outlook.
This explains a lot about today's shoot down. Turkey is desperate to hold open supplies to ISIS.exactly, and that oil @ 10 buck a barrel supplied by ISIS comes in handy as a side business for the dirty corrupt biarch Erdogan. )))
Yes exactly I always tell never trust Turks or awake with throat cut
Another fabulous post from Jack Burton. I need to bask in your shadow. What can Usn' poor white trash do to draft Jack Burton for prez?
I think Trump has a pair of brass balls but I am afraid one of these days he will reach for them and they will be gone.
Turkey is another shit stain like Saudi Arabia. They both need to be reborn. Vlad...do your thing. The idea that Russia moving a ship is going to be their response is foolish.
I spent time in Turkey in the 1990s and got a belly full. I could tell stories for days. I think Turkey was directed to do what they did. They are one of the most war like cultures I have ever seen but I don't think they are stupid enough to poke the bear with a stick.
Here is Cartalucci's article - where is the narration? Thanks.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/24/russian-warplane-down-natos-act-of-war/
So predictable...you just knew there would be some kind of air conflict with the various players. It seems all is going to according to the WWIII script...the old divide and conquer never fails.
It's definitely favorable for a WWIII script for the Middle East.
Hard to believe - that any civilized country desires this outcome. I thought that only ISIS was trying to provoke WWIII.
Instead of fighting each other, fight IS...
Regime Change!!!!
(in Turkey)
I'm guessin that's what Putin is thinking...he has already said he does not think much of Erd...y gone
Erdogan must go!
It would be nice if Putin could just ride this out for a while and just persue justice though NATO/international channels (yeah I know, but he can still try to expose them) and pummel a bunch of "moderates" because at this rate the opposition is destroying it's meme and justification for being there by the minute, the whole house of cards is collapsing he just needs to hold his ground and wait them out.
Let the allied psychos bitch and complain about Russia killing terrorist "moderates" but don't let them justify unleashing NATO on your ass, prove high ground to at least a portion of the masses of idiots first. The truth is very quickly becoming impossible not to see.
Before arming the Kurds to the teeth, Putin should reach out to Turkey's military leadership directly, and let them know that Erdogan's behavior is a real threat to Turkey.
Turkey needs to be encouraged to return to Ataturk's secular dream.
By google.maps the area of russian jet flight path is less than 5 kilometers if plane speed was 500 km/h then it would need 20 seconds fly over. Russia is 100% right. Their jet was hit out of Turkish territory
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/35.8283591,36.1665756/35.8294725,36.1397...
Top speed of the su24 fencer is 1300km/h. So 4-20 seconds.
Dr. Strangelove Ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFkryh6hC-k
We'll.
Meet again.
Don't know where.
Don't know when.
Forget it Puti. It's the Middle East.
The problem is that no one forgets anything in the Middle East. Kinda like the Balkans. Kinda like everywhere.
I love those faggots Obama,Hollande and Jens. Kick Putin in the nutsand then say "time out"
a bunch of faggatinas
Russia has the Moral High-ground on this one. Putin has every right to protect his assets fighting ISIS. NATO is stonewalling and getting in the way...
If the USA is smart - they will suspend all flights over Syria. There is no sense in losing pilots. There's a good chance that will happen if this situation gets worse.
Turks are lukcy Andropov was not in charge.
The base where the Turkish jet landed would be a pile of rubbles.
I know one thing. Turkey will pay a very heavy price. Erdogan's Islamist government too.
Lots of Puitinistis on here. True, the neocons got us in to this mess.I saw Wolfowitz on the TV before the invasion of iraq saying how lovely it would be if Isreal was surrounded by democracies. Apparently this shit is still in play.
And their Neocon masked boy Obama.
Bulgarians are 100% in support of brotherly Russia.
Must suck being in NATO then; you are allies of the Turks.
Wait - is this is the same Russia that's gone haywire-cowboy in skirting, invading, and penetrating airspaces all over the world? I think I'll wait for proof of what happened in this tragedy before jumping to conclusions.
Headline: "Russian bombers penetrated U.S. airspace at least 16 times in the past 10 days."
Headline: "Russian war planes 'rehearsing attacks' in UK airspace'
Headline: "What are these Russian strategic nuclear bombers doing infiltrating NATO airspace?"
Headline: "Why Putin's warplanes are penetrating European airspace"
And:
"Turkey said Monday that a Russian warplane along the Syrian border violated its airspace, prompting it to scramble F-16 fighter jets and summon the Russian ambassador in protest . . . Russia admitted the plane had entered Turkey but insisted it was "by mistake." They tried to assure Ankara it would not happen again. . . . Davutoglu said during an interview with Haber Turk television that NATO-member Turkey would enforce its rules of engagement if its airspace is violated. . . . Also Monday, Turkey's military said a MIG-29 jet had harassed two Turkish F-16s for five minutes and 40 seconds on Sunday by locking its radar onto them. In a brief statement, the military said the incident occurred while 10 F-16s were patrolling the Turkish-Syrian border. " http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-invading-turkish-airspace-no-accident...
FU
Are you the same scum-bag that sucks neocon cock in hell?
Are you the idiot who craves the Russian jackboot above all other jackboots?
And idiot Russian airplane was shot down 4 KM within syrian territory . Moreover Russia and Turkey are not in state of war then how can turkey shoot even if it touches its airspace , little do you know but Turkey has been violating syrian airspace for too long. Get your facts correct instead of posting meaningless diatribe. Those previous incursions happened due to your idiots adventure in Ukraine , igniting Cold war ino Hot war.
^got his jackboots from Netanyahu on the blood-moon Passover.
With a bright and shiny Z on them.
do you guys like wear loafter when on duty in your cubicle?
do you get ribbons and stars like real soldiers for your social media grunting?
@scruffy. Your headlines are baloney. You will find that far from penetrating US airspace the Russians were only in an arbitrary potential transit area - air defence identification zones (ADIZ) - before entering US airspace.
"!The U.S. Navy's Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations.......specifically instructs U.S. military aircraft to ignore the ADIZ of other states when operating in coastal areas":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(North_America)
At least the TURKS had the Balls to do it unlike the UK and US Pussies
Wahabbi apologist
"the military said the incident occurred while 10 F-16s were patrolling the Turkish-Syrian border."
10 F16s. Air superiority fighters.
Turkey is really stupid. So what if one jet goes into your territory for a few seconds when you know it's an "ally"? You just escort it for a few to check what it is doing, you don't shoot it down without any warning. With all the actors down in Syria, they seriously really expect there to never be any air space violations? Waht a bunch of children.
ISIS doesn't have any aircraft and the Syrian military has no reason to attack Turkey. This just a stupid escalation by NATO. Turks are stupid and didn't act without NATO's approval.
there's another post above that is completely accurate. that Russian SU-24 would have only been in Turkish airspace for 20-30 seconds. So if the Turkish planes decided to attack it, this means that they chased it down in Syrian airspace. Or that they fired a missile into Syrian airspace. This is a serious mess.
What seems to be clear now is that the Turks claim to have warned the Russian pilots for a full 10 minutes, duing an alleged 20 second incursion. And NATO has corroborated this claim.
Exactly. And if as they say the SU was in their territory for 5 minutes that would be 300 miles. But still on the border.?
The Russians are bombing ethic turks in Syria.
That means that they are not a Turkish "ally."
Remember Putin used this same excuse to invade Ukraine: ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine were under attack.
If anyone remembers 1939 or has read about it, Hitler used the same excuse to invade the Rheinland. Of course, that wasn't his real reason. That was just the excuse. Same for Putin and Ergodan.
Some things never change...
share your favorite Turkey recipe...just in time for Thanksgiving
What we are seeing is struggle for Eurasia and the Heartland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOD2A3cUUS0
In the Red Corner we have, The Ruskies, China, Iran and the Shias. In the blue corner we have NATO, Sunnis and ISIS.
LETSSSSS......GEEEEEET......REEEEEEADY.....TO.....RUUUUUMMMBLE!!!
Merry Christmas Everyone.
China is not involved. They're too smart to get pulled into a fight in which they have no interests.
That leaves Russia, Iran and the Shias versus NATO.
No contest.
I doubt except your Murkans any European nation would be interested in going against Russians, they had their experience from past but only Murkans never tasted defeat except in proxy conflicts
Putin should announce that he allows usage of nuclear weapons against terrorists and their supporters.
one ballistic missile with multiple warheads sent to terrorists area will be convincing.
NATO has nukes too. Don't forget that the aggressor sets the rules.
Putin set the rules of "defending ethnic diaspora outside of national borders" with his invasion of eastern Ukraine.
Having now seen that the counterparty (NATO) will play by whatever rules he sets, and match whatever logic of level of aggression he takes, I seriously doubt that Putin will escalate any further.
Even the Russian oligarchs don't want to bring on Armageddon. They like Falout 4, but they don't want to play it in real life.
Invasion of EAstern Ukraine which US govt failed to prove yet with their forged sat images. Jog on shill
Ha!
The problem with NATO is that it relies more on others being afraid of military retaliation.
The problem with this approach is if they have to retaliate, they will not want as otherwise this mean self distruction.
Is that a missile cruiser? Just asking.
the best
let's see if Turkey sends out the navy or flights over the med....
Good.
Let’s kick that crypto Islamist Erdogan right where he likes it.
I'm betting this is a 'wise-up' moment for Putin...
Seems he definitely underestimated the extent to which the U.S. would go in making Russia feel the pain for upstaging the U.S. as regards ISIS, and for daring to intervene militarily for Assad.
He's not going to make that mistake again.
Turkey didn't act on its own initiative - this was U.S. backed - you can tell by how fast the U.S. came out with the 'Well, you deserved it!' line.
So I'm betting he'll place all the assets needed in the theatre and will prevent U.S. warships from operating off the Syrian coast - yep - military blockade. Maybe he'll let France thru - but not the U.S.
Will be an interesting confrontation....
Exactly how is Russia going to "prevent" the U.S. from operating off the Syrian coast?
You think Russia is a match for the U.S. Navy?
I don't...
US is not at all operating off the syrian coast . Match ? Lol they can sink your floating targets if intend to but unlike you muritards they don't feel so.
Muritards ignorance about their Navy is hysterical.
Russia lost as least three men, one plane, one helicopter today..
What will Turkey be losing in the near future??? A lot more than that.
Gotta' figure ... a Russian rescue helicopter. How many crew? My guess, at least 3 airmen, plus a couple of Russian "paras". So it's more likely that Russian lost at least 5 people on the helicopter, plus two air force officers. This definitely "amps up" the conflict.
No, the helicopter was damaged by ground arms fire and one marine was killed. Landed in the neutral zone and the rest were evacuated by the other helicopter. Later the grounded one was destryed with a 'Tow" AT missile.
I don't believe Putin will take the bait.
Russia is plainly no match for NATO militarily. Therefore Russia is not going to overreact.
Plainly no match ? Eh? I guess you either have no idea about their forces ( certainly not ) or you exaggerated your nato wet dreams ( most probabaly.)
NATO in reality is USA with support actors holding various useful add on specialities. I have family in the UK forces and I can tell you, morale is not high. Budget cuts, political correctness, the realty that our government do not take care of those who come home maimed have taken their toll. Add the worry of poor / unreliable kit and the reality is that the British army as a whole is a paper tiger. In the recent Afghan conflict they had the fortress suply depot camp Bastion to retreat to for kit repair and resuply. In a fast moving conflict they will quickly run out of fighting capacity. I suspect a lot of other NATO members are the same - geared up to skirmish with ' insurgents' and run 'peace keeping' patrols but no longer able to either defend or advance against a professional adversary of significant size.
Let's hope NATO keeps its head ( not looking likely) because if they get a bloody nose from the Russians they will try to save the day with battlefield nukes, and from there with ICBM's.
Putin should turn off the gas January 1st.
He can't afford to.
Russia has no real economy. They rely almost completely on energy exports.
So they just sit there and take it any which way AmeriKa and NATO wants them to?
And if Russia is no match for NATO, why the pussyfooting? Why the backing of terrorists and all the bullshit he said, she said?
Why doesn't NATO just man up and take Russia and her allies to the mat and proclaim themselves champion of the world?
One word: FAGGOTS
Plain ignorance. Perhaps you're sleeping for past many years as your knowledge shows what you really know about their Economy except your uncle mcain tips and msm drivel isn't it
Want to see some recent UFO Activity over Area 51?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3332099/Airplane-passenger-takes...
Much more about the shoot-down here:
http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/ruaf-su-24-shot-down-by-turkey/
Not the first encounter:
"If confirmed this was not the first Russian planes breached into the Turkish airspace. On Oct. 3 and 4 a Russian Air Force Su-30SM and Su-24 aircraft violated Ankara’s sovereign airspace in the Hatay region. NATO said that the Russian combat planes entered Turkish airspace despite Turkish authorities’ “clear, timely and repeated warnings.” In that case, TuAF F-16s in QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) were scrambled to identify the intruder, after which the Russian planes departed Turkish airspace. Nevertheless, as if violating the airspace of a NATO member was not enough, the Russian Su-30SM maintained a radar lock on one or both the F-16s for a full 5 minutes and 40 seconds. According the Russians, the violation was due to a “navigation error.” Following the incident Ankara said it would shot down any aircraft violating their sovereign airspace as done in the past with the Syrian Mig-23 and Mi-17."
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CrlYp-m16Ks/VkkKyvAtYLI/AAAAAAAB5Hg/5...
Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.
Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber.
https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/
see the analysis by ZH readers on previous pages. It looks like this ...
there's another post ... that Russian SU-24 would have only been in Turkish airspace for 20-30 seconds. So if the Turkish planes decided to attack it, this means that they chased it down in Syrian airspace. Or that they fired a missile into Syrian airspace. This is a serious mess.
yes and... what position would you expect the RT to take?
To report the obvious truth instead of spinning the facts like your spindoctors
What has RT got to do with anything?
This the official Russian MOD position:
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12066682@egNews
The missile hit the Su-24M aircraft over the territory of Syria. The bomber crash place is on the territory of Syria four kilometres far from the borderline. The Su-24M crew managed to eject. According to the preliminary data, fire from the ground killed one of the pilots.
The objective monitoring data shows that the Russian aircraft did not cross the Turkish borderline.
Data received from the Syrian Air Defence Forces confirmed this fact as well.
Moreover, radar reconnaissance data, which was received from the Hmeymim airbase, registered Syrian airspace violation by the attacking aircraft of the Turkish Air Force.
...
First: All the activities of the attack aviation will be carried out only under cover of fighter aircraft.
Second: Air defence will be reinforced. For that purpose, the Moskva cruiser equipped with air defence system Fort analogous to the S-300 one will go to the shore zone of Latakia. Russian Defence Ministry warns that all the potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed.
Third: Contacts with Turkey will be terminated at the military level.
turkey is allowing isis to travel through, resupply, and ship their oil through turkey. bomb the shit out of them
More fuckery...
hostages France, Roubaix Northern France shots fired
And Russia wanted some pipes through turkish teritory, after Southstream died...
I sure do hope nice Mr. Putin has a Puff of Polonium for Bathhouse Barry
not good day for inane crap...sick of it...
'The Phony Litvinenko Murder' -William Dunkerley
Maybe Putn can put a dab of polonium on the head of his penis.
Peace Prize is a peter puffer
Peace Prized puffed a pile of po po off Pootie's pee pee
The Russian Generals surely don't like this act of "premeditated' crime against some of their comrades.
I suspect the retribution will be on multiple fronts. Economic, on the ground with the Kurds and likely testing some Russian missiles at Turkish jets threatening Russian interests.
Turks, fly your jets far away from Russia and Syria.
The is the real path of the russian plane. It did not enter Turkey.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chervonec_001/72877696/270112/270112_600.jpg
This was clearly a crime, an aprovoked act against Russia and the international community should condemn it.
Shame on NATO supporting this terrorist state Turkey.
"a Russian fighter jet has just been taken down, and Putin will not hestitate to go as far as he has to to save face."
Saving 'face' is not what he seems to be about. Winning this chess game is and he obviously to date is executing on a plan. Up until now he has shown no signs of being reactive, Certainly this scenario has been foreseen and response calculated. Weakness in support for those that harbor and supply isis must be detectable in nato or amongst other western military leadership. Or, China has a hand soon to be revealed somewhere in this evil middle eastern farce inflicted on the world.
The Turks just went "Full Retard".
Turks are a nation of ugly, evil, twisted cockroaches, brain dead, jihadist, pervert, pedophile, useless eaters’ on the wrong side of human genetics.
Turks are the reason of countless wars and massacres across Europe in the past and they should never poke the Russian bear. They should never go full retard.
Turkey is a corrupt, jihadist sh*t hole that hosts, protects, finances and offer intelligence and logistics to ISIS under cover of NATO membership and alliance with USA.
Nothing more I can add.
And the Russians are moral Utopians.
Thank you for the fair and balanced viewpoint.
The Russians are the victims here. They are much better people than the bastard "Turks" in any case.
They are on the right side over Syria not your uncle Shag and his puppies. No doubt why muritards are being called as bunch of hypocrite sooks.
Anyone else wondering just how an F-16 can blow a SU-24 out of the sky?
Is USSA hardware that good or are there deficiences in Russia's?
not really. F16 is a strategic fighter jet, while SU 24 is a bomber. Also Russia shared coordinates and flight routes with the counterpartires in the region, which is exactly why Putin calls this act backstabbing.
Cool, thanks for clearing up.
Somebody in Turkey is taking this airspace thing a little bit too far - probably needs to get laid or NATO had a knife pressed up against his jugular....
Incirlik air force base nearby.... Tactical nukes thereabouts.
Russian nuclear cruiser off coast....
An unknown but years-in-the-making number of US troops, both at Incirlik and at Diyarbakir.
These are also "sitting ducks", it's not just the grunts on the aircraft carriers.
You can ask the Serbians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Hungarians, Armenians, Syrians etc. what kind of people are the Turks (with a few exceptions) cutthroats and savages. Trusting Turkey is trusting ISIS.
Trust has nothing to do with it. This is ethic nationalism.
You can trust the Turks to use Putin's own "ethnic diaspora" logic against him to defend their own diaspora in Syria from Russian bombs. That is exactly what they have done.
Add Assyrians to the butcher's bill. My grandmothrs family was wiped out in WW I. Bayoneted the men and marched the women into trhe desert to die
Nobody panic, S&P is higher...now if we can only get gold lower for the day...
By Putin's own logic (in Ukraine) Turkey has every right to shoot down Russian jets that are bombing ethic Turks -- i.e., Syrian "Turkmen" -- even if they are not in Turkish airspace.
The aggressor sets the rules, and since the annexation / invasion of Ukraine, Russia has been the aggressor.
Of course, unlike Putin in Ukraine, the Turks actually own up to their acts. Does anyone still believe that Russian forces have not torn the insignia off of their fatigues and invaded eastern Ukraine?i
I do not care if they are Turks! They are Isis and Al Nusra terrorists, Turkey should not support them even if they are their fellow Turkmen! They are terrorists!
Actually it is Turkey being the aggressor in Syria, through their incursions in Syria, arming Isis even tanks are delivered to them, giving Isis militants medical care in Turkey, having recruitment office for Isis in Istanbul and Ankara, buying Isis oil. The Turkish military, intelligence agencies and even the borderguards are involved with it!
This has all been reported in Turkish press!
Sure the Turks own up to their acts......still denying the Armenian Genocide a 100 years later!
gotta love these idiots...
For starters Crimea was not annexed:
There were 135 independent observers from 23 countries in Crimea to monitor the referendum:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/referendum-monitor-criti...
FY
The "Russia, BAD!" guy has shown up. Can anyone predict what he will carry on about? Yep.
The nation fighting the terrorists AmeriKa says she is fighting - "BAD!" but not the Turks who are clearly supporting them and were only defending their precious airspace.
To correct your twisted logic it was shot down 4km inside Syrian airspace and it never entered Turkish airspace . Get your drivel right before spouting more
Bitch slap again in putin face
EU preparing to extend Russia sanctions for six monthsUntill well into warm summer. And they need Russian gas as not to freeze in winter ?
Picture of a guy sitting on a tree branch and cutting the wrong side.
Doesn't matter much because Russia is getting what it wants from Europe via China ( recently they bought some German made motors or engines via China) meanwhile Russia'a food ban against EU is harming them already and meanwhile Russia has acheived self sufficeincy by growing fruits and vegetables let alone Wheat. Russia has already started exporting wheat. Rest Russian Economy is returning to growth (https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/323063-russia-economy-returning-growt...)
Meanwhile EU will keep bitch slapping their farmers by destroying their food.
Old Oscar class cruise missile sub most likely somewhere in the med......
Would not want to be fishing with a trawler thereabouts.... Might catch a really big fish.
NATO is engaged in mostly evil actions than good, and backs this servant of Satana - Turkey.
Why is there still a NATO?
I think it was a Turkish false flag:
The Turks have been begging for a no-fly zone and safe havens in Syria, Russia didn't let it happen.
A couple of days ago the Turks have been warning Russia about the bombings.
The Turks were in the process of creating a buffer zone in Syria.
The Turks planned to shoot down the Russian jet inside their buffer zone in Syria, by chance and luck a camera team was on the spot to film everything!
The Turks wanted to draw Nato into the conflict!
That is exactly what I posted on another blog
The filthy Turkish government, the bastard of the Middle East, has always done NATO's dirty work. Going back to the Cuban Missile Crises, where the US Government put nuclear weapons right outside Russia with Turkish consent for favors, Turkey has been at the center of controversy that could end disastrously. Go back to the genocide of the Armenians in 1915, and you can see a long history of evil in this group. They currently have targeted the Kurds for extermination, and the US Government is fine with that too. Evil begets evil.
Now they are going to pick a fight with Russia? Don't make us laugh. If this is the plan, to have Turkey kill the Archduke, bring it on. Time to get your stupid war started. All you are going to do is destroy every State in Europe, the US, and the Middle East. You masters of the universe are going to ruin yourselves and free all of us.
Not to mention Turkey occupied "Palestine" for 500 years and no "palestinian" said shit about it because they werent Jews....
You not anyone fooling.
And neither are you.
The Ottoman Turks were fellow Muslims and did not expel hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes as Israel did.
By the way, you should read Aristotle, who defined that area as "Palestine" as did Herodotus. Classical Greek writers were calling the land Palestine centuries before Christ.
The Turks have been in the process of wiping out the Kurds and Russia interrapted them.
The Russian generals will hit back. Don't even doubt it for a second. And because it is not a declared war agains Russia, it will happen legally when the time is right.
I repeat, how many chances would Pootin give an F16 inside Russia.
Tick tock, Pootin lovers.
Derp?
That's all you got, son.
You're kind of a dumbshit, aren't ya kiddo?
Apparently it's you clowns. You can't answer a fucking question.
Apparently you can't accept a fucking fact that Russian plane was shot down 4km inside Syrian territory and it never entered Turkish airspace. cognitive dissonance.
It's a stupid question.
I was considering answering it, but I figure you are too dumb to understand the answer, so why bother.
The Russian plane wasn't "in" Turkey numbnuts.
Oh, but of course not, Pootin lover. I can draw lines on a map too. Don't mean shit.
Except, it hasn't been proven the Russian jet even violated Turkish airspace. Even if it did, was a matter of seconds.
And to answer your question, Russia has been very tolerant of Turkish and Isreali violations of Syrian airspace. You can bet your ass that is about to change. It will be raining Turkish F-16's soon if Erdogan is stupid enough to get them off the ground.
So, if you "just put the tip in" it's OK. And how many other times has Russia violated Turkish airspace. Time for a fucking lesson. Take one.
Well, for once you are right:
Time for a fucking lesson.
I say Putin would give them a chance. Speculation is fun, isn't it?
But somehow I'm certain you know have the definitive answer to this.
You know Putin well enough to say he would give NO CHANCE to an F-16 inside Russia, right?
You guys are missing a main point in this speculation:
What is that F-16 doing inside Russia?
Bulgarians are fully supporting brotherly Russia.
The Bulgarian government must come out with a statement condemning this barbaric act commited by Turkey.
Bulgaria should block all Turkish trucks, cars and airplanes from entering Bulgaria for security reason. Turkey is a terrorist state.