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Russia Deploys Warship Off Syrian Coast To "Destroy Any Threats To Russian Planes"
Despite demands from France's Hollande, America's Obama, and NATO's Stoltenberg that this situation not esclate, it appears Putin is not taking the shooting down of a fighter jet lying down. The seemingly cagey confirmation by NATO and Obama of Turkey's claims that Russia invaded its airspace has been rebuked by Russia which claims the Hmeimim airbase radar shows the attacking Turkish plane violating Syrian airspace. In response, Russia is moving a Cruiser 'Moskva' off the coast to strengthen air-defenses - just as French and US carriers are on their way.
Here is The Turkish version mapping of the flight paths.
Russia claims otherwise:
- HMEIMIM AIRBASE'S RADAR SYSTEM RECORDS VIOLATION OF SYRIAN AIRSPACE BY ATTACKING TURKISH WARPLANE - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY
And is escalating:
- RUSSIAN 'MOSKVA" CRUISER TO GO TO AREA IN COASTAL LATAKIA TO STRENGTHEN AIR DEFENSE IN SYRIA - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY
The Missile cruiser in question:
The reason for the deployment:
- RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES GENERAL STAFF: NONE OF OUR PARTNERS, COUNTRIES FIGHTING ISIL HAVE EVER TOLD US THAT SO-CALLED MODERATE OPPOSITION UNITS WERE IN AREA WHERE SU-24 DOWNED
- NO ATTEMPTS REGISTERED ON PART OF TURKISH PLANE TO GET IN TOUCH OR ESTABLISH VISUAL CONTACT WITH OUR CREW VIA OBJECTVE CONTROL DEVICES - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINSTRY
- WARSHIP TO DESTROY ANY THREATS SEEN TO RUSSIAN PLANES: IFX
Specifically, as RT reports, the steps announced by Russian top brass as the following:Three steps as announced by top brass:
- Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
- Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
- Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended
Just like the downing of flight MH17 over Ukraine, it has quickly become a case of "he said, she said":
Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber. The Turkish fighter jet made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.
“We assume the strike was carried out with a close range missile with an infra-red seeker,” Rudskoy said. “The Turkish jet made no attempts to communicate or establish visual contact with our crew that our equipment would have registered. The Su-24 was hit by a missile over Syria’s territory."
Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.
As a result, Russia now plans to implement new measures aimed at strengthening the security of the country’s air base in Syria and in particular to bolster air defense. Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province's coast.
"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.
“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” he added.
Furthermore, as the Russian Ministry of Defense explained, going forward, any Turkish plane that enters Syrian airspace will be fair game.
#SYRIA #Rudskoy Russian Defence Ministry warns that all the potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed
— ?????????? ?????? (@mod_russia) November 24, 2015
And again, all this is happening as both the French carrier de Gaulle and the US carrier CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman are on their way to a very dangerous rendezvous off the Syrian coast.
So just as we warned in September, the situation has become a complete rerun of the 2013 Syria "Mediterranean" showdown, with full naval engagement by all parties, except this time the tensions are significantly escalated, a Russian fighter jet has just been taken down, US and French aircraft carriers are arriving in weeks, and Putin will not hestitate to go as far as he has to in order to save face.
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Same brotherly Bulgarians that nixed the South Stream pipeline project at the behest of the US?
Don't hold your breath.
I fol-low the Mosk-va, down to Gor-ky Park
I folow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change
An August summer night
Soldiers passing by
Listening to the wind of change
The world is closing in
Did you ever think
That we could be so close, like brothers
The future's in the air
I can feel it everywhere
Blowing with the wind of change
Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change
Walking down the street
Distant memories
Are buried in the past forever
I folow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change
Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me
Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change
The wind of change
Blows straight into the face of time
Like a stormwind that will ring the freedom bell
For peace of mind
Let your balalaika sing
What my guitar wants to say
Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me
Take me to the magic of the moment
On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow dream away
in the wind of change
Klaus Meine - The Scorpions
https://www.rt.com/usa/323339-state-syria-russia-turkey/
Turkey and the rebels it backs northern Syria had the right to defend themselves against Russian airstrikes, State Department spokesman told reporters. The rebels reportedly killed one Russian pilot who ejected from the jet hit by a Turkish missile.During the regular press briefing, Mark Toner said the Syrian government did not have such a right, though.
When asked by RT's Gayane Chichakyan if the State Department considered the rebels who reportedly killed the Russian pilots "moderates," Toner replied:
"We’ve seen conflicting reports. One pilot may not have been killed. If these ‘Turkomen’ were actually being attacked by Russian strikes, they have every right to defend themselves.”
AP's diplomatic correspondent Matt Lee asked a follow up question.
"Doesn’t that apply to everyone, not just rebels backed by West? Including the Assad regime?"...
...Toner repeated several times that Washington stood by Turkey as a NATO ally, and its "right to protect its sovereign airspace”, while refusing to comment on the specifics of this morning's downing of a Russian jet because, by his admission, he had no details yet.
The State Department spokesman confirmed the US was supplying TOW missiles – seen in a video purportedly showing the rebels destroying a Russian search-and-rescue helicopter – to the"moderates" in northern Syria who were supposedly battling Islamic State forces.
Another revelation at the briefing on Tuesday was that the "de-confliction" mechanism established between the US and Russia last month to avoid clashes in the skies over Syria did not apply to any other members of the US-led coalition.
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So we fund, train and arm ISIS and then say they have a right to self defense? Saddle up boys and bring some rope. We also have a right to self defense and this treason cannot be tolerated.
Hey, I bet if we all get together and vote really, really sincerely, and click our heels three times, we can change this government for the better and get a brand new bureaucracy!
I find this particular disturbing:
"Another revelation at the briefing on Tuesday was that the "de-confliction" mechanism established between the US and Russia last month to avoid clashes in the skies over Syria did not apply to any other members of the US-led coalition."
Here is a Russian Lt. Generals take on the situation from moments ago.
Lt Gen Sergei Rudskoy made declaration on Turkish AirForce attack on Russian Su-24. Eng. Subs.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=510_1448395202
i don't think putin will escate beyond reason.
turkey going to catch hell from israel,nato, u.s., s.a., and bankers.
they want no trouble in turkey, that would back-up isis from their routes north, they've got 3-5 million to get into the former e.u. within a couple years.
within a decade s.w. europe will have a criminian vote.
Is there a credible Russian news site ?
heh
Derpa Derp?
Hey - that was a sincere question. For international news on TV I have Fox and CNN. I'd like to read what the Russian people are reading.
"For international news on TV I have Fox and CNN"
hahahahahahahahahahahaha such credible sources of non-biased information! hahaha boy I needed that laugh...thanks
Love all the downvotes you're getting.
ZH is such an echo chamber.
I guess I should have chosen a word other than credible - perhaps major or dominate would have been better.
That's ok - every once in a while you come across a truely helpful, intelligent person on ZH.
or you ignorant koolaiders are in state of cognitive dissonance to see and accept the obvious facts and truth because it hurts your "Murika is No.1" diatribe which is exposing your Empire of Chaos hypocrisy and showing its hubris stupidity and arrogance with rules.
An eco chamber for koolaiders .
FACT: All major news sites, TV channels are controlled and financed by Russia Federation state fund or companies that ar linked to state.
Ok - what news site(s) does the 'average' white collar Russian professional read ? I would like to read what they are reading - that's all.
Do you speak Russian?
If not, you will have to settle for RT.
Pravda has English language news.
Thanks - yes
http://www.pravdareport.com/
seems like what I was looking for - just wanted to get a feel for the other opinion.
FACT: Russian media has a better grasp at just what the fuck is going on than the Western media propaganda outlets.
Amazing, no? Things that were discussed and only hinted at in the alt media, for years, which turned out to be true after all (eg, Iraq war lies), suddenly the the West starts fucking with Russia here and there, and lo and behold, Russian media starts sayin what we're all thinkin! (well, not the western propaganda rags, like NYT, WaPo, Guardian, etc) whose credibility was all but destroyed by 15 years of bullshit, Russian media has more to gain by lying LESS than the West at this point, the western narrative is so fucked up insane, schizophrenic beyond words by now.
Even if SU-24 in fact did violated that pathetic tiny space as Turkish map shows, by the time their F16 reached it it must have been clear SU-24 did not intend to attack any Turkish targets and had no intention to be in their territory over prolonged time. Which mean they should have warned Russia on administrative level or F16 could contact SU-24 and inform about it. The fact that F16 actually chased SU-24 all the way to Syria for shoot to kill says a lot about intentions.
So if you , "just put the tip in" ...
You clowns act like it's the first time. It ain't.
Is it this new government internet troll-commando we read about before?
FY
lol, pathetic isn't it?
If not being a Pootin lover is being a troll on ZH then sign me the fuck up.
Yeah, people are completely not getting you.
You are no troll, you are just dumb.
FACT: Russia Federation military has been violating Turkey airspace before and admitted doing it Moscow says violation of Turkish air space a “mistake”
FACT: Turkey has been warning Russia Federation not to violate Turkey airspace Turkey warns Russia over airspace violation
FACT: NATO has been warning Russia Federation nor to violate NATO airspace NATO warns Russia over airspace violations as Syria airstrikes widen
FACT. Your facts ignore US / Turkey and other 'coalition' planes/drones violating Syrian airspace.
FACT Turkey is an ally of Al-Nusra and ISIS in so far as they are fighting Assad and have provided them with weapons
FACT Turkey is buying ISIS oil on the cheap and re-selling at a profit thereby financially supporting terrorists.
Turkey is a state sponsor of terrorism and this illegal shoot down is a terrorists act. Expect a legal case to be made by Russian before responding militarily and/or economically.
Your facts ignore US / Turkey and other 'coalition' planes/drones violating Syrian airspace.
FACT: FACT: Syrian government is in no control over territory occupied by ISIS. US, France is bombing ISIS occupied territory. Not violating one that is controlled by Syria.
Turkey is an ally of Al-Nusra and ISIS in so far as they are fighting Assad and have provided them with weapons
FACT: That is not a fact until proven. Please provide credible source: name of source; post link, quote
Turkey is buying ISIS oil on the cheap and re-selling at a profit thereby financially supporting terrorists.
FACT: That is not a fact until proven. Please provide credible source: name of source; post link, quote
Credible sources? You do realize that objective reporting is dead? We live in a propaganda world where the consumer needs to read between the lines and think for themselves using logic and reason.
A 2 second search of Google will provide all the "credible sources" you're asking for.
Did the Syrian map change? I didn't realize the Islamic State was a recognized country that Syria "had lost control over" and therefore had no territorial rights over.
I guess all the oil trucks entering Turkey from Syria is not convincing enough for you that Turkey aids and abets ISIS.
FACT: atmasko ZH member 2 days, 9 hours
He's FUCT
State dept even gives them stupid names
geezuz, do you have like manager or officer i can contact?
your posts - are a waste of taxpayer money
http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/100620151
Why does Turkey/NATO have such a problem with Russia bombing ISIS?
FACT: Russia Federation has been ally to Assad that is fighting against FSA not ISIS. Russia Federation is bombing FSA and not ISIS.
Russia admits targeting non-Isis groups in Syria as airstrikes continue 'More than 90%' of Russian airstrikes in Syria have not targeted Isis, US says Syrian rebels to Russia: Stop bombing usSo neither the U.S. nor Russia have been effective at bombing ISIS? While both claim to be doing exactly that?
Who the fuck are these guys?
"FACT: Russia Federation has been ally to Assad that is fighting against FSA not ISIS. Russia Federation is bombing FSA and not ISIS.
Russia went after the US trained "moderate" terrorists FIRST just to whack as many US mercs and advisors as they could, hence, the major shit fit USA corp had after the first three days of bombings....
FACT
atmasko.com
A place where Mr. Coffee Break fists cocks and drinks the juice.
Russia bombs the fuck out of everyhing dickless. No surprises here.
Fact: Turkey et al are arming, and providing cover to ISIS.
FACT: That is not a fact until proven. Please provide credible source: name of source; post link, quote
FACT:
Your FACT meme has run it's course. Boring & editorial at this point.
FACT: That is not a fact until proven. Please provide credible source: name of source; post link, quote
Hey you lazy dumb ass... about 30 seconds of web search will get you all the credible sources, quotes and links you want.
"In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.
“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/07/nato-member-busted-massively-supp...
Pootin lovers don't want to hear that shit. They got their own story and they are sticking to it.
So...I guess..that makes you a Fuckabama ass licker then.....
How....chalkie of you.....
Thank gawd it makes me not like your dumb ass.
spit out Obie's jizm before you talk, it's hard to understand you
FACT: YOU are a turkey.
FACT: yawk is the pope's nose
A small factoid. Putin is going to take care of this and I am glad I'm not in Turkey.
GCHQ tea-boys out in force today.
I always wondered how they knew so much, sitting in their little cubicles in Gloucestershire.
Turkey considers its airspace to be 13 km into Syrian terretory .Thiis self declared no fly buffer zone will be a a cemetery for Turks.
Then you have the Golan Heights.
Turkey, USSA'S favorite dish...about to be served piping hot alongside I$I$ side orders... right on time for the "exceptional" last supper!
Ah, here comes the flood of low rent trolls to bury conversation.
You should ease up on yourself, son.
How old are you kiddo? The only people who call others "son" tend to be about 18.
Your wages is paying for my SS. lol, suck on that, son. In fact I'm dedicating My SS to be coming from you and your employer. Thankx. ;)
based on your English, u no get no SS
he got murican edumacation
Who knows what really happened?
But unfortunately for Putin and Russia, after their denial of the utterly obvious invasion of eastern Ukraine with the insignias ripped off of their fatigues, nobody can believe anything they say.
The world has flipped the "liar" bit on Putin. Nobody believes a liar, even when he's telling the truth.
Again, there were 135 independent observers from 23 countries in Crimea to monitor the referendum.
FY
Only you have flipped.
Who knows what really happened.
ZH Pootin lovers know Before it happens.
and you fucktard believe the whitehouse abd cnn fartcarchers??
Do the sheep not have the right to defend themselves against the actions of the elites. It is exactly the same argument.
Syria will be a wasteland in the end.
Was the Etch-a-Sketch drawn by Erdogan or Strafor?
'Cause they're the same sort of retarded.
Putin should quit fucking around and just drop a tactical on the 60K+ US troops at Incirlik or at that other site in Diyarbakir that the US has repurposed as a de facto base.
hey beanhead, you are a first class moron, with an IQ of 0, amoebas are a higher life form than you are...
Blah blah blah, SHUT UP and jus start shooting bitchez.
If you Gonna do it, DO IT!.
Exactly. Let's get this ass kicking on the road for fucks sake!
Erdogan and his boy have 800 million reasons to shootdown Russian planes
>>Israel is a military badass when it's up against children throwing rocks, but the next superpower? That's taking it a bit too far.
IN an all out war no,fighter planes,and pilots?.
Israel wins hands down.
Israel is going to be quite unprepared for the war they are instigating.
There is only one country who has used atomic weapons on civilian populations, and we all know who that is. There is only one country that goes around invading any country they want, even when it is deemed completley illegal.The country that fights from a distance, causing pain and destruction where ever they go. The country that has never had planes fly over them and bomb their cities. Who have never been invaded by an occupying force. Who have never been invited to help in the middle east, as was Russia. But they are always there, the cowboys with with their Problem Reaction Solution.
Is there a difference between a country, and the government that dominates the geographic area where the country is said to exist?
How many world wars since those two A Bombs. Answer, None. Sounds good to me.
Fucking a goat sounds good to you. What could you possibly know?
I love when you run that lip out.
one on your head too
The reality is the rest of the world knows America is run by zionist nut-jobs, they know that Washington/Tel Aviv are the only ones crazy, evil enough to use Nukes on civilians. So you are correct, no world war, but no world peace either, just one bully and its insane master, causing destruction and death around the globe.
You are not talking about Belgium are you ?
and your point is what??
your twisted logic is quite immature, cmon you can do better than that eh BJ?
Just watched a very interesting short episode on the downing of the plane on CNBC with a reporter from Turkey (Richard Engel). Among other stuff, he said:
- The russian jet violated Turkish airspace just for a few seconds.
- Was that enough to prompt this very aggressive response from Turkey downing a Russian jet?
- Was there another motive?
- Many believe there is another motive.
- It was because of the targets Russia was hitting.
- Russia was targeting Syrian rebels. They are ethnically cousins of the Turkis nations.
- This border crossing may have been a pretext to act.
- To send a message to Moscow that it won't accept this bombing and to alert NATO that it needs more help.
- An hour after this incident happened, the prime minister spoke. He only spoke a minute or so. Turkey is trying to make this look domestically like no big deal.
Wow! Way too much questioning of the official story and also a lot of actual journalistic work done here! Go Richard!
If you ask me, he is in danger of being replaced soon (sent on a 5 year mission to the Democratic Republic of Congo or so...)
Kill the Turk pimps.
just nuke
Nuke the CB in Turkey.
Russia was operating at the invitation of the sovereign government of Syria, in Syrian airspace.
The "government" of Turkey just commited an act of war.
Classc military strategy for Russia.
Now is the time to enter Turkey from the rear with help from Greece
UNFORTUNATELY the ENTIRE POLITICAL class has betrayed GREECE.
The Greek people are cheering Putin as we write these lines.
I have no clue what the Military Brass are thinking though.
I think the PKK has just acquired a new best friend.
you got that right Radbug
just because turkey is part of nato it still is a barbarian stone age clan worthy of russia frying it into a fossil
FACT: If Russia Federation declares that Turkey has committed an act of war than Turkey has official obligation to close Turkey Straits at Black sea for ships from Russia Federation. That would mean that Russia Federation forces in Syria would be left without supply chain.
I believe by international treaty they are forbidden to even try to close the Bosphorus.
Don't confuse the FACT-man with actual facts. His head might explode.
It will be reopen with several nuclear explosions
FUCT: Official obligation blah blah blah
Look up Montreux Convention...
Putin will provide evidence and declare this act a WAR crime - He will seek to prosecute the perpetrators under 'International Law' just like he is doing in the Ukraine - Russia will close ALL Syrian borders - Arm the Kurds - ANY violation of Syrian territory will lead to severe consequences - Hollande will be told tomorrow when he visits Russia to GTFO out of Syria - This is the way Putin does things !
We shall see this than tommorow - right?
Well, that is just speculation, but here are the FACTS:
Now the General Staff is elaborating additional security measures for the Russian airbase.
First: All the activities of the attack aviation will be carried out only under cover of fighter aircraft.
Second: Air defence will be reinforced. For that purpose, the Moskva cruiser equipped with air defence system Fort analogous to the S-300 one will go to the shore zone of Latakia. Russian Defence Ministry warns that all the potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed.
Third: Contacts with Turkey will be terminated at the military level.
It is doubtful that Turkey’s actions were done in isolation. From Dave Lindorff “Turkey’s action, using US-supplied F-16 planes, was taken with the full knowledge and advance support of the US. In fact, given Turkey’s vassal status as a member of US-dominated NATO, it could well be that Ankara was put up to this act of brinksmanship by the US.” (see: www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/24/an-invisible-us-hand-leading-to-war-turkeys-downing-of-a-russian-jet-was-an-act-of-madness and www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/24/turkey-downs-russian-jet-to-draw-nato-and-us-deeper-into-syrian-quagmire).
If anyone in the US is stupid enough to doubt Russian resolve, go back and read the Battle for Stalingrad.
On October 19, a Turkish blogger warned that Erdoganwanted to provoke conflict between Turkey and Russia to improve his re-election chances.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.nz/2015/11/turkish-blogger-warned-erdogan-wa...
russian dont play baseball they play chess
Putin will provide evidence and declare this act a WAR crime - He will seek to prosecute the perpetrators under 'International Law' just like he is doing in the Ukraine - Russia will close ALL Syrian borders - Arm the Kurds - ANY violation of Syrian territory will lead to severe consequences - Hollande will be told tomorrow when he visits Russia to GTFO out of Syria - This is the way Putin does things !
And he should. There is no reason for any of these guys to be in Syria with the Russians there. This was bound to happen and it did.
I do believe that this incident signals the end of the Syrian conflict. Russia will do what she has to do....with a vengeance. All niceities, such as references to "our partners" will be over. With cold determination Syria will be cleansed and reborn.
After about 1400 years (or longer) it might continue for a while.
Hollande needs Russian ground troops, since he made it clear today "no french suits and boots on the ground". Obama has not signalled any deviation to the ongoing plan.
Hollande is welcome to join the war against IS and their accessories to murder.
Bomb Turkey's Central Bank.
Hurt them.
Melt their gold.
Russian military radar data shows F-16 loitering near coast, then crossing Syrian border into Syrian airspace before shooting down the Su-24, which had detoured south around the 2 km finger of Turkish territory
http://www.russiadefence.net/viewimage.forum?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%...
Turkey now claims it didn't know who the Su-24 belonged to.
No wonder the US military has declined to say the Su-24 was definitely in Turkish airspace/
I rest my case from an earlier post. Turkey planned this attack. The question is....why?
China gives Russia permission to retaliate.
George W. (AKA George the Dope) would have known what to do.
Let the conversations begin!
He would have attacked Venezuela.
Oh my God...that's true!
Best laugh I've had all day -- thank you!
I heard salaries are rising next year for Turkish Air Force and Commercial jet pilots...
Shooting defenseless parachutters is a war crime.
No prisoners in this war.
Russian pilots are obviously aware that if the land in the wrong place they will be butchered. Can't expect anything else from a group of degenerates.
They were shot at but a report is out that 2 pilots are alive and being held by Turkey. Problem is that I really don't like yahoo news and the Turks had to cross into Syria to get them. I would wait for verification of said story by russian authorities.
What's all this war crimes shit. WW2 there were photographers all over the place in combat and no one was suppose to shoot the photographers. Who comes up with this shit? When you can be gut shot from any direction at any moment you are suppose to stop and think "Oh gee it's a photographer...I'm not suppose to shoot him."
Let's get back to fighting a war like God wanted it done. Let's take the spoils of war like people have done for probably billions of years. What is this politically correct crap anyway? The people that come up with this crap should be put on the front lines.
This was a willful and cowardly act. They could have 'painted ' the Russian jet with their radar and verbally warned. Expect zero tollerance from the Russians.
is france calling on the rest of the eurozone to help it protect itself from the zionazi supported nato turks supporting isis or calling on them to help it support russia's war on terrorists.
Russian subs will be tracking the carriers.
I look forward to the day when Russian and Chinese missiles take out our obsolete carriers from about 900 miles away. Then maybe we can stop being the enforcer for the evil globalists, can get rid of our own traitors from within, and go back to being a Republic where our people are free and we can focus our foreign policy on defending our Homeland -mainly from the traitors who are looting and plundering our own country.
let's say just for arguments sake that the SU-24 did enter into Turkish airspace with the full understanding that whether or not that actually happened is still very much unclear.
also taking for granted that the Turkish air force has the responsibility of defending the airspace and territorial integrity of their homeland against threats.
here my questions...
first being was the SU-24 armed? was it carrying any munitions at the time of the encounter? the reports say that the bomber was returning to base so it is reasonable to assume it had already dropped it's payload, unless the mission was aborted for some reason but nothing that has been reported so far suggests that is the case. if not was it necessary to shoot it down, could the Turks not have simply escorted the SU out of their airspace? after all as has been pointed out many times already the SU-24 is a bomber and no match for the F-16's that intercepted it in an encounter.
next IF the SU was in Turkish air space what was it's disposition? was it flying low and fast so as to avoid detection? was it's flight path suggestive of aggressive intent? was it closing in on any military positions such as bases, formations, posts ect? once again I have seen nothing to suggest that was the case and given where the SU crashed it could not have been in Turkish airspace for that long nor could it have penetrated that deeply. still more it was not escorted by air superiority fighters so honestly how much of a threat could it have really posed?
so is it reasonable to believe that that the Turks would have shot down a single Russian bomber that was probably not armed, not attempting to avoid radar, not under escort and apparently not displaying any aggression purely out of self defense? again would they not simply have given it the boot, if for no other reason than to avoid a very unnecessary and extremely dangerous escalation?
and is it a coincidence that the SU 24 came down in the very same area the Turks demanded not but a few days ago that Russia stop bombing, those Turkmen, FSA, ISIS whatever positions in an obvious attempt to create a safe zone from which they could operate? also was it also convenient timing that the Turkish AF was recently augmented by six (or was it 12) USAF F-16 fighters?
I think not.I mean I was born at night, just not last night.
this whole thing reeks of desperation, a last ditch effort to salvage the oust Assad at all cost plan and an ill advised attempt to intimidate Moscow into getting on bored with the program.
I don't think this will work quite they way they intended.
It was flying at 6000 meters or about a mile and a half, easily detectable by radar.
Think about the time required to identify the Russian jet and the time required to respond for the Turkish air-force. This was planned.
All the bullshit spread about Putin. Show one piece of evidence that he ever lied about anything. He is always the one who says: "Let's wait until all the facts are known." Kind of reminds me of Rumsfeld and we know what happened to him.
Are you saying that the Russian Air Force isn't trying to violate airspace and pushing their luck all over the world?
There was a Russian bomber flying less than 40 MILES off the coast of California this summer! Countries all over the world are routinely scrambling to "escort" Russian aircraft out of their airspace almost daily now.
Its fucking amazing that this "waa waa everybody out to get Putin false flag frame up job" shit keeps being pushed. Compleltely embarrasing at this point...
You are a good little lapdog. Everything you read in NYT is true isn't it?
1) Armed or not makes no difference in a border viloation. It's a warplane and its not the Turks responsibility or care to verify if its armed.
2) They warned the Russian aircraft 10 times in five minutes.
3) The USAF deployed six F15s to Incirlik. They weren't F16s. BTW. The F15 is the only fighter aircraft to have never lost an air to air in actual combat.
maybe so, or maybe it's all lies.
only time will tell.
BTW as far as the eagles spotless combat record, it's a little shallow and overstated isn't it?
they have never gone up against any quality competition, certainly nothing close to what the Russian air force can provide.
I suspect that spotless record would be broken pretty quickly in the event of a direct conflict between the two.
but I sincerely hope we don't find out.
regards.
NATO has declared the war against Russia a while ago, using all but military means at their disposal, even going as far as arming Al-Qaeda (please can someone explain what exactly is an Al-Qaeda "associate"?), now the shots have been fired as well.
Let's face it, NATO considers only 2 options: subdue Russia by non military means or subdue Russia by military means, there is no third option that they find acceptable.
This planet is not big enough for NATO and anyone else.
This has been tried by the French (Napoleon), the English (Crimean war) and the Germans (Hitler). What makes them think the outcome will be different this time? So what happens if Russia subdues the NATO?
That is a fantastic question. Them's that live in glass houses. Can't we stick to making movies? We seem to do quite well in the story telling business.
Yeah, BS artist do well in US. I would add financial institutions, politics to movie making...
Moderate Al Qaeda
Jumbo shrimp
Military intelligence
Compassionate conservative
Hope and change
Obama Peace Prize
Oxymoronic indeed.
WW3 by proxy war has been in earnest for years - the hot war may be about to begin. God bless Putin. He is the last hope that civilization will not descend into darkness.
Prediction:
Dumb fuck Ukranians launch their winter offensive just as NFL kickoff happens on Thanksgiving
watch for russia cruise missiles to take out the turkish air base for the fighter that shot down the russian bomber..if it was incirlik ab then american lives are at stake.
I would like to bring for your pleasure, the introduction to WWIII..willkommen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RF-AFJ5VFs
Accidently. OOPS!
Right. Putin will start WW3 over one of his fighter jets that fucked up. Sure. Sounds plausible...
Yes it does you stupid asshole. All they see is an encirclement shit show. If your very existence was threatened would cower like a bitchass or fight back. You'd fight back. Anyone would. Go somewhere else. I'm sick of your fuckin posts and bullshit. It doesn't take a genius to see what the fuck is going on here.
irrelivant rebel, you seem....
BUTTHURT, awwwww, poor little puite lover, KMA moron
That's the best you can do? Name call?
These are real lives. Any "butthurt" you fucking irrelevant troglodyte will pale in comparison to the blowback that's hands out via unintended consequences. I don't give a shit who does what until it starts to displace maim kill and worse...come into my back yard. A world war would do that. If you're too fucking stupid to see that I can't help you. Clearly your above post shows you for your purpose. Defend the push for war and stymie all who say nay.