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US Backed "Rebels" Execute Russian Pilots While Parachuting, Caught On Tape
If Putin was angry when Turkey shot down a Russian plane, which may or may not have crossed Turkish territory - reports on both sides are conflicting - he will be absolutely livid to learn that, according to Turkey's Dogan News, the Russian pilots who had parachuted in an attempt to save their lives after the plane was shot down, had been executed while parachuting down by local rebels, which considering the video released earlier belonged to the Free Syrian Army, are same "rebels" who are funded directly by the CIA.
Both Russian pilots shot dead while parachuting down says Dogan News Agency citing Turkmen opposition commander
— Fercan Yalinkilic (@FercanY) November 24, 2015
And this:
DHA Muhabirinin görü?tü?ü Türkmen 2'nci Sahil Tümen Komutan Yard?mc?s? Alpaslan Çelik: Pilotlardan ikisini de para?ütle inerken vurduk
— Damla Do?an (@dmladogan) November 24, 2015
As Telegraph points out, the above tweet is from CNN Turk's Foreign Editor who tweeted that the Turkmen rebels DHA spoke to said: "We hit at the two pilots after they parachuted."
This, as many have already pointed out, is a war crime.
The only question is whether this, together with the provocative action by Turkey which many can see being an act of war, will be deemed as such by Putin.
The parachuters can be seen in the second half of the clip below:
For those who missed it, here is the video uploaded by the Free Syrian Army of at least one dead parachuter.
And here is the video of rebels opening fire on Russian pilots:
As one commentator notes, in the video one person shouts over the gun fire, "don't fire. Let's take them prisoners. Don't fire. Prisoners" but it was not meant to be.
Reuters confirms the pilots' death: Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead the two pilots of a Russian jet downed by Turkish warplanes near the border with Turkey on Tuesday as they descended with parachutes, a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters.
"Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik, a deputy commander in a Syrian Turkmen brigade said near the Syrian village of Yamadi as he held what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.
"Our units, who received the information that the two pilots were alive, are working to get them from opposition rebels safely," the official said.
The Russian General Staff said that, according to preliminary data, one of the Su-24 pilots has died after being fired at from the ground.
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According to the Geneva Convention attacks on persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress are stricly banned: if the person in distress is not acting in a hostile manner, he is to be given the chance to surrender after reaching the ground.
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Not good, poor pilots! :(
NWO assured.
Russian Navy hemmed in the Mediterranean.
No escape routes.
Gibaraltar, Suez and Bosphorus blockaded
""Russian Pilots Executed While Parachuting: Turkish Media""
Thats A Clear WAR CRIME...Butt since does Turkey-Isis give a Fuck???
I bet mccain had an orgasm over this...
McShitstain is probably taking another viagra and wanking off to the videos.
Turkey has clearly conducted an act of war. Fortunately for us, Russia is the rational actor in this and cooler heads may prevail, but escalation is definitely in the cards. Unfortunately for us, dc (since we are too cowardly to overthrow it) IS NOT a rational actor. MORE missiles will be given to Al-Qaeda and ISIS, while 'muricans are busy trampling each other for cheap shit from China.
Expect all counter-escalations from dc to be irrational at best.
In that split-second while you witness your kids burn alive, know that dc probably initiated the first strike and people like mccain got early warning so they could hide in their bunkers.
Repeat.......Russian Navy hemmed in the Mediterranean.
Bosphorus, Gibaraltar and Suez are blockaded...will not allow Russian Navy escape routes.
NWO will be assured
...Expect Russian payback thru assasinations and various suicides.
jmo
STFU
Does this tea taste like polonium-210 to you?
""Bosphorus, Gibaraltar and Suez are blockaded...will not allow Russian Navy escape routes.""
Dude, they have Tactical Nukes on cruise missiles... They can clear a path anywhere they want...
US/Israel proxy army executing Russian pilot.
Boy the west looks like a bunch of F#$king heroes today.
https://youtu.be/GPmmtrMJyHsThis just in: one of the pilots, curiously, was named Archduke Ferdinand.
I can just see this is NOT going to end well...
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liveleak now showing vid of rebels firing at the pilots as they drop and generally having a laugh.
If you want to know what will happen to Turkey, just take a look at your oven this weekend.
MEANWHILE Back At The Ranch .........
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I'd prefer a quick bullet while parachuting to being burned alive on CNN like that Jordanian pilot was.
Sickening! Those animals have no honour or morals!
(at least a gruelling death by being burned alive trapped in a metal cage was spared to those poor pilots. RIP)
The FSA is going to bankrupt us!
Free Syrian Army? Or Free Shit Army? Or both?
Turkey just put herself on a straight path towards a world of hurt:
http://goo.gl/VhZdyZ
0b1knob the "Jordanian Pilot" was not burned. None of the orange jumpsuit dudes were beheaded by "Jihadi John". Those were all fake videos made by Rita Katz' SITE Intelligence Group. ALL of the ISIS propaganda videos are "found" by SITE.
If you want to know what will happen to Turkey;
It will be long overdue payback. as well as is due to more than a few a few WOPs and Limeys's.
The Turks are sludge in the middle of angry empires.
http://www.xtec.cat/~iboluna/swim/Upper-Intermediate/ex7/ex7-2.htm
(..not that the USSA is any moar innocent)
The best thing the US could do is pull out of NATO and break off relations with Turkey...actually break off relations with every 7th Century Savage nation...
And let 'em fend for themselves and answer for their own actions..,
But B Hussein O is the top puppet in America, so forget that stuff...
It's war, bitchez!
> Turkey just put herself on a straight path towards a world of hurt:
Turkey is a colony of the US, and those puppets do exactly what their ZOG masters tell them too.
No point of blaming Turkish or American goyim, that's exactly what ZOG wants.
We all know that Russia (+China) is the last stronghold of the goyim humanity and if it falls, the Zion/Kingdom of Judah will rise and all the goyim nations will be finally exterminated, aside from the slaves and techno-servants to the Jewish Golden Billion.
http://goo.gl/VhZdyZ
Tylers, please lose this account........
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Its unfortunate the wind didnt carry them to Turkey, they were at a pretty high altitude. Of course being captured by the Turks has its downside, just ask T.E. Lawrence.
next up: PKK suddenly having serious AA capabilities. Turkish bombs on Kurds become risky and Turkish pilots held hostage.
Holy hell! Now the Russians have incentive to arm the Kurds.
Will you laugh, or cry if Turkish Kurds shoot down Turkish aircraft with Russian equipment?
Right now there are pallets of weapons rolling out the back of some Russian transport planes to "moderate" Kurds. As much as I would love to see Erdogan get his, I know Turkish troops are just as screwed as the rest of us.
Turkey and Russia are natural allies, geopolitically, so this is a nasty bit of work to make sure those countries DON'T make an alliance, even when Erdogan/NATO lapdog is out of the picture.
IMO Russia is still better off trying to pry Turkey from NATO's grasp, than going full retard and arming Israel's mercs, I mean, the Kurds.
Russia + Turkey + Iran = winning the Great Game. Gives control of the Caspian, the Black Sea, Strait of Hormuz, Volga+Don, eastern Mediterranean, and pay a bit of money to Egypt gets you access through the Suez Canal as well! A real nightmare for Eretz Israel. Unless they can pit them against each other, LOL, which seems to be the plan.
"Howz about youz (russia) and him (turkey) fight?"
"Turkey and Russia are natural allies, geopolitically"
That is utter and complete hogwash man, a little thing called history disagrees with you. Turkey and Russia have never been allies and have been in competition for the caucus region and parts of central asia for hundreds of years.
As late as Peter the great the Russians were still a vassal state of the Ottoman Turkish Sultan and still paying an annual tribute.
They were on opposite sides in World War I and the Cold War.
Turks have a legacy of persecuting orthodox christians in their empire like the Armenians. Russians had lots of Turkic peoples in some of its former soviet states.
In the post coldwar break up of the soviet republics russians suppported a separatist movements in Nagorno Karabakh ie. orthodox armenians over turkic azerbaijanis.
Not to mention the two countries have fought several wars over the last 300 years.
A Russian historian by the name of Anatoly Fomenko disagrees with you. Ottomans and Russia were definitely allies at some point. Maybe it was as far back as 1453, but that doesn't change the geopolitical facts, Russia and Turkey have more to gain from an alliance, than they do from a war.
And come on, we all know it was the (crypto-Jew) young Turks who killed Christian Armenians. Just like it was the Bolsheviks (primarily Jews) who committed the Holodomor, again against Christian peasants (from Ukraine and Russia primarily).
Im not familiar with the historian you quote, but will look him up. I dont like wiki as a source generally, but this list of Ottoman Empire treaties paints a pretty clear picture of a history of conflict between the Turks and Czarist Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_treaties_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
I suppose when one state becomes a Vassal to another state it is temporarily an ally. But that is not by choice.
Ill have to look deeper to see if there are any exceptions pre 1453. But since the Ottomans only came on the seen in Turkey, the middle east, Europe, and Central Asia in the 1300s its highly doubtful. But as usual its the exception that proves the rule.
And lets not forget that the Ottomans were busy conquering the Byzantines in those days. The Russians and the Byzantines had a lot in common culturally, as they were both Orthodox Christians, and Byzantine monks invented the cyrllic language.
Not to mention in the 1300s Russia was a tiny insignifcant little principality in what today is northern Russia under the jackboot of the Golden Horde, so they probably didnt meet many Ottomans. Although the Golden Horde had some mixed race mongol and turkic origins for sure.
As to your larger point that they have to more to gain from an alliance than from a war, that is doubtful. As both countries have competing interests in the Middle East.
gee whiz.. this is better than history 404 and a good debate.
..the next level might be to discuss what Trotski got from Jacob Schilff in 1916.
The clap?
~"As much as I would love to see Erdogan get his, I know Turkish troops are just as screwed as the rest of us."~
Somebody really smart needs to explain to me the difference between Ergogan and Assad Jr. As far as I can tell, they're both dictators, right? Erdogan just happens to be newer at it and Junior inherited it. Oh, and they are on different sides of the Mohammad ball.
While you're at it, someone explain to me how it ever became in NATO's interest to fight in a Muslim war.
I will personally laugh, that whole region is a God, Allah, Gods, Buddha and whoever else I am forgetting forasken fuckhole and the ONLY ones that might be even slightly civilized are the Kurds, they just get my support by default, even if they aren't civilized they don't back down to anyone.
We should have armed the Kurds 30 years ago.
Yes, this would be a good time for Russia to decide to support a strong, united and independant Kurdistan.
Some Kornets and Iglas might somehow find their way into Eastern Turkey. (Soon to be called West Kurdistan)
The Kurds have earned it. And they'd be Russian allies forever.
Yep, that would teach the NWO a lesson. If Putin even suggested a chunk of Turkey for the Kurds it would petrify the NWO and their NATO water boys. I bet it wasn't a completely Turkish decision either, rather they were egged on by NATO and assured that nothing would happen. And that a few minor details were left out, like that ISIS would finish off the pilots.
Maybe is wasn't a Turk at the controls, but one of our NATO psychos. Perhaps the coordinates were screwed up and the shoot down was meant to be a warning shot. Nevertheless, the foolish Turks believed DC lies and now they will pay the price for complicity in the atrocity.
There is nothing in it for Turkey by being NATO water boys. But there are lots of goodies in it for Western warmongers, like naval and air stations all over Turkey at bargain prices. Turkey has turned itself into a cheap whore for NATO pimps.
Notice that the the other NATO countries were smart enough to leave the Turks holding the bag. They know better than to antagonize the Russians. The Turks have allowed themselves to be ordered around on the laughable pretext of equality among NATO members. The Turks are completely expendable.
As for the shoot down, isn't it an interesting coincidence that the ISIS psychos knew exactly where to be to for the video? Were the executions of the Russian pilots as they parachuted out part of the CIA bonus for being such dutiful slaves? Were the Turks notified about that? Probably not. They might think things through for a change.
Russia never posed the slightest threat to Turkey, but thanks to monumental stupidity out of Istanbul that has changed considerably.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Or in Middle East logic, the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy or a friend, or maybe a frenemey, maybe in a few months my enemy again - ah what the hell eveybody dies...
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Or in Middle East logic, the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy or a friend, or maybe a frenemey, maybe in a few months my enemy again - ah what the hell eveybody dies...
500 TOW missiles to PKK is a good start.
I think Putin is going to level that country.
What a coincidence, both videos are 33 seconds long when you bring them up
shithead...Israel switched sides long time ago
Putin was warned that his foolish attempt to play war would have consequences.
Luckily for Putin, China's economy is slowing down at a time when China has an artificially created demographic imbalance of military-aged males who need to be kept busy (or cynically set up for elimination) for the sake of the state.
Expect collaboration.
China's going to need them to keep their bubble inflated. It's more likely that the Chinese will be ordering Russian mail-order brides.
Prick they are helping Syria to clear your mess from their house. Few Nuclear tipped iksanders on Turkey will deal with the consequences your turkey created
Dude's a moron, it's their Mediteranean fleet and stays in the Med or Black Sea, not every country rampages the high seas looking to invade countries....the Med, isn't that small....
Oh that shits comming, no doubt. Old school KGB.
Very "old school"... Expect shitstorms hitting Turkey while we enjoy turkey and football on Thanksgiving Day....
Any idea how the camera just happened to be in the area of the jet crash? The fighter had to be doing 500 mph or better meaning that the chance of being anywhere near the impact is nil.
These are the cia-backed moderate rebels.
How diabolical!
White is sacrificing a few minor pieces in a last ditch effort to foul the game.
Keep striking the oil shipments, Vlad. don't take the hydra's bait.
Who would have thought just 30 years ago that we would be in this position in 2015, where we we would be rooting for Russia, while being appalled by our own country's behavior.
Just like any other place with an abundance of smartphones. You can hear a low power tone going off.
Yeah, right, tell that to the Russian boomers sitting off the east coast of north america...
and the Russian submarine that is being hunted just off of Scotland.
Clyde, anyone?
"A sudden maneuver, the Mediterranean in blockade: Russia performs a naval drill"
Is this what you mean?
y3maxx
Yeah. I bet those Russia subs will be ordered to retreat back to Murmansk. Blitzkrieg didn't win the long game against Russia.
Will someone keep asking who is getting the ISIS oil ? Maybe the Turkish plates on the front of the trucks will give them a clue. Now NATO is going to have to ask- will we sacrifice all of Europe over some oil and blood-soaked dictator in Turkey. Yeah, please don't tell me that Erdogan was elected- so was Hitler.
Erdogan's son Bilal is your oil broker.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/08/24/erdogan-s-dirty-dangerous-isis-games/
The linked piece brings up another thought: If the US is flying sorties out of Incirlik, permission to use the base may have come with provisions that make the efforts almost fruitless. Then again, in order for our traitorous administration to make US air raids almost fruitless and try to keep up appearances while protecting the Erdogans' interests, using Incirlik works out very well indeed.
A resurrected caliphate is in the works and Erdogan intends to be the caliph. Count on it.
This is no doubt what prompted the Turkish escalation - by hitting the tankers, Russia was shutting off Erdogan's dirty money supply.
Say what you will, about the French but, when enough was enough, they had a revolution. Americans will never do that even when enough is enough.
We did it first, idiot.
Yeah, once upon a time, when we had balls. Most of today's americans cower before their dictatorial shitheaded overlords in DC.
Most colonists did not participate in the American Revolution. So what's your point?
If 5% participated today what would be the outcome? That amounts to 10-15 million pissed off people. If 30% of the population merely became uncooperative what would be the result?
We did it first, idiot.
Let me see if I have this correct. Russia teaming up NATO Member France and possibly England (intelligence sharing) by bombing the heck out of Isis. Russia teaming up with Iran to prevent the overthrow of Assad. NATO Member USSA in desperate need of a Cranialanalectomy (removing ones head from the deep up their arse). USSA desperately trying to suppress its involvement of creating Isis. Smaller NATO / EU countries trying to halt the Islamification of the EU and may choose to return allegiance to Motherland Russia. Turkey's domestic politics is a shit show but nonetheless must be defended by NATO Members. The Kurds, including the women, have the biggest balls in the whole region to clean house but get no support. Germany has the Welcome Mat out for true refugees as well as terrorist out of guilt from100 years ago yet is more than happy to screw over their neighbors and NATO Members financially. Hello Greece and soon to be Portugal. USSA screws fellow NATO Member Poland, remember the missile defense system that Our Lord and Savior Obama nixed? There are many, many more but I nned another cup of coffee and a good leak.
Yep, looks like a cluster fuck of epic proportions.
The world has done gone batshiat crazy!
Not Crazy!
this confirms PCR conviction that Paris was a set up in sequence for the objective - Russia & Iran against NATO.
Assad has the pipeline route and that is the end game for this stage of the grand game against Russia's cash flow and 9 time zones with $100 trillion in resources.
BiBi has proposed permanent takeover of Golan Heights to Obama which belongs to Syria and was previously agreed to turn back to Assad. It has 150 sq miles of major oil structure worth $100 Billion
"An empire can not long survive unless it is a profit center"
D. Trump
Actually it says the contrary. The Paris attacks are driving the French into the hands of the Russians, and they will temper any whacko US MIC effort to shirtfront Putin into WW3. Putin plays peace maker, Fr, Germany, EU ask themselves what they get out of the status quo. EU looks East. USA loses. Again.
Maybe I'm naive but I always used to think the US were the good guys and even if we Brits kissed their arses, it was a price worth paying for protection from the USSR.
Funny how things change.
The USA is on the verge of being neutralized from within. We still have the largest military assets, so we will have to be militarily neutralized on our home soil, IMO. Nothing else makes sense in a world of limited military resources. The US is a loose cannon. Once the US military is seen as being controlled by irrational players and more bombs are set to start flying, the only rational thing to do would be a wide-ranging first strike on the US.
I live in the US. I have ancestors who go back to the Mayflower. I am not hoping for destruction, but this is how I see it.
The players who are in control of our country very well may get us and our families killed.
I would be happy to read other persons' thoughts that go for or against mine.
The purpose is to completely destroy all vestiges in the American mind of unalienable rights and the sound reasons for them. We are already ignorant of history and an understanding of legitimate law. We have been convinced that government is the only source of protection and peace through draconian regulations. We have never been educated to recognize mind control techniques.
When rulers are drunk on power and privilege they believe there are no consequences.
First strike against the US is likely to be launched from within, I suspect. Israel has backdoors into all the military software, for confirmation check 9/11 and the complete lack of vision as to what was happening (and Paris, incidently, same thing). You can also look up the number of software security companies, with Pentagon contracts, owned by zios. I would hazard a guess that they could launch US missiles any time they liked.
If I'm correct, that would have to be the greatest act of treason of all time. Yet our masters are well aware of it and do nothing. WTF?
The big question is whether they have the same access to Russian military software. I truly hope it ain't so. And yeah, I know hope isn't the most reliable tactic out there.
'Murikans can rationalize away any responsibility for their neglect of political choices, but no amount of pretending can make the consequences of our actions, or lack of action, go away.
Ron Paul calls it blowback. It's coming to a theater (of war) near you soon.
What your're saying has been predicted by the most reliable source ever, but everyone should now be able to see it happening soon. Mad dogs in the street get destroyed every time.
It'll be a warm day in hell before the Brit and Australian sheeple realize the devil's bargain they have struck with the empire of chaos and their jew bankers. There have always been those who saw the reality, but they've always been a tiny minority. The sheeple rule.
Omen, spot on. Also, in line with plans to destabilise any local country that may be a threat to Israel (Occupied Palestine)
And if you have forgotten which countries are in NATO Member States: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO
Now, which of those countries have put out the welcome mat for Islamic refugees and which have not. Which ones were at some point in history were under the influence of the Russian Motherland. Allegiances could be as fluid as a sand dune in the Saharan Desert on a winding day.
Zionist are celebrating.
Now Europe can't send the Syrian refugees back to Turkey. It will be a warzone in a week.
This is really fucking bad. I am literally shaking as I type this. This could escalate to a nuclear war in the blink of a fucking eye.
fortunately for the world, putin's words were measured and cool, given what had just happened. but that was before the confirmed murders of the parachuting pilots by turkish allied rebels. and though his words were measured and cool, he looked really pissed off... like he wanted to strangle a few dozen turks with his bare hands.
i think even the western world has to admit putin has remained calm so far. hopefully nato both admonishes turkey at their meeting today (even if only internally) and make an public, overtly friendly, de-escalation gesture towards russia.
if they don't, i fear the day putin wakes up and says, "fuck this shit, game over for everyone." he looked really, really pissed...
Might be a cold winter in Turkey.
Turkey is dependent on Russian and Iranian gas
In 2014, Turkey imported 1.7 Tcf of natural gas, accounting for 99% of total natural gas supply.
Through LNG and multiple pipeline connections, Turkey has a reasonably diversified supply mix. However, Russia's Gazprom is by far the largest single supplier, accounting for 57% of Turkey's total natural gas supply in 2013 (Figure 5).
Turkey is Russia's second-largest export market for natural gas, after Germany. In 2013, BOTA? exported just 23 Bcf of natural gas.https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis.cfm?iso=TUR Iran supplies 20%, Azerbaijan 10% and Algeria 8%.
You just articulated a serious reason for Turkey to align with the gulf states for a Sunni takeover of Syria.
The numbers you cite may include throughput rather than all comsumption. Either way, that could be made up with gulf state production.
Then again, one more reason Russia might make trouble for Saudi Arabia. I suspect the lines will start to settle out of the dust storm eventually and supply routes are very important, especially shorter ones over longer ones.
Pussy!
You must be made of pretty stern stuff to laugh off a wave of nuclear fire and hard radiation.
Send refugees back? Millions of Turk refugees are coming
Ahem, no gas exports also means no gas revenues.
With low oil prices, the Russian export revenues and foreign incomes are hurting already.
Wanking himself into a coma with the Vine looping endlessly.
If I were one of the pilots, I think I might have seriously considered staying in the jet. Pulling the rip cord over Syria can only result in one potential outcome, and we've just seen it. Better that my family not be exposed to that kind of footage.
That siad, there probably isn't a whole lot of time for rational thought..
Perhaps, another possibility is that they have been monitoring a certain flight pattern, had decided in advance to shoot one down and had "moderates" waiting for him in the area where the plane would be estimated to go down. Jets can respond pretty fast to a man down. Those bastards may have even come out of Turkey to nab the pilot for all we know.
Ain't nothin compared to wat Zbigniew was feelin
How about we all back up a minute and think about who's reporting this news and who benefits from reporting about it.
This would be the time for a little scepticism. This article is DESIGNED to generate a knee-jerk response and from the looks of things in this thread, it's working.
Take a breath, let the adrenaline fade and reengage your brain.
Tho we aren't the ones who have to worry about responding militarily
Just saw Marco Rubio on Fox saying that the US "must stand with our NATO ally Turkey."
Could someone explain to this ambitious politician that sometimes it is wiser to say, "Things are still developing. I want to wait to get the facts. We'll know more soon."
Marco honey, you just stepped in it.
+1 aaand... this includes the header of this ZH article that makes out of a Turkish media "shot while parachuting" an "executed while parachuting", I'm afraid
I guess it's a young Tyler typing. to paraphrase the French commenting on the Charge Of The Light Brigade in Crimea, it's splendid, but it ain't journalism
btw, the linked Telegraph article cites Putin saying this:
"The pilots were part of an operation against Isil in the mountainous areas of north Latakia, where there is a concentration of militants largely from the Russian Federation. That is, they were fulfilling their direct duty of preventing attacks by terrorists who might at any moment return to Russia. And these are people who can only be qualified as international terrorists."
any expert here willing to comment on this and on Russian border checks in general?
Execution as a word is more loaded, granted, and very much in line with ZH's way of hyperbole, but in this instance shooting and execution are identical and a clear war crime.
I'm struggling to find the moral high ground for our governments to support allahu akbar screaming rebels committing war crimes.
during the Afghan campaign, "execution" meant Russian pilots being carved up, slowly. after being shot down by a Stinger missile
there is no moral high ground whatsoever in this Syrian campaign, on any of the two dozen or more sides, if you ask me, regardless of what they are screaming
semantically, I fail to recognize the difference between screaming the greatness of a deity or "bless this country". both are parts of prayers misused for war (propaganda) purposes
jingoism is based on the age old formula of "Right Or Wrong, Our Side". see "The Deity Is With Us" motto that was stitched on war flags for reference
Fair enough, but the basis for any military campaign or involvement by European countries, is - at least as a selling point to the public - a moral high ground.
The idea of supporting a fledgling democratic movement brutally crushed by a dictator thug is wearing thin and has pretty much dissipated. What is left is a muddy cluster-fuck we should clearly step away from, yet Hollande in his delusion is all too willing to get more deeply invovled.
schatzi, "The idea of supporting a fledgling democratic movement brutally crushed by a dictator thug..." is very appealing to Americans and Brits, and rhymes with "Export of Democracy"
whatever we continental* europeans did in our long and very bloody history of involvements abroad... democracy seldom entered in the scope of things, even on the propaganda front (* includes Russia, in this)
we usually export... stabilty. with a hint of possible future prosperity (grimacing while typing, the ugly, disgusted way)
consider for example the French, German, Italian, British etc. boys in uniform in Afghanistan after the initial "export of democracy" action was "mission accomplished"
sorry, but Paris would - the way I still see it - even be willing to accomodate a continued Assad regime, as suggested by Moscow. those two sides are still very near reconciliation
what is not acceptable is the continuation of multiple sides stirring the flames. this whole clusterfuck is similar to the Oil Price War to which it's related: too many participants, too many particular goals
by the way, I see a senior, more mature Tyler adjusted the title of the article to ""Rebels" Shooting At Russian Pilots While Parachuting Caught On Tape"
well done, thanks. I do care for the credibility of this site, and I'm still of the opinion that too many commenters simply... don't
I hate to sound callous, but shooting pilots of downed warplanes in their parachutes is common in war.
The pilots were warriors, killing the enemy from above.
They weren't civilians, they were enemy pilots and pretty much fair game.
Despicable, but so is war in general.
This is why army paratroops jump on the dark of the moon.
"...militants largely from the Russian Federation..."
Pretty sure he is referring to Chechnyans, Ghordius. Chechnya is still part of the Russia (despite its efforts to the contrary). The Chechnian jihadists are mostly Qatari-paid mercs sometimes pretending to be FSA but mostly loyal to Jabat al Nusra - at least in this area. Plenty of other Chechens work for JaN rival ISIS, but they're much further east. Turkey's covert war against Assad in the Latakia to Idlib region has relied on a number of groups. Ethnic Syrian Turkomen are well reinforced by Turkish Turkomen jihadis, which are reinforced by Chechen, Uighur and Uzbek jihadis. Erdogan (and the U.S.) were particularly keen on recruiting Chechen jihadis for fighting Russians in Latakia and Tartus. They are trained and equipped in Turkey.
Erdogan has been pretty consistent with his policy of depopulating areas just inside the Syria border of Syrians, and sending various foreigners (foreign to Syria) to repopulate those villages. He did the same thing a few decades ago to the so-called 'Safe Zone', which was predominantly Kurdish until Erdogan 'fixed' that. Old shcool ethnic cleansing. The Turkomen Russia was fighting on the Turkuman Mountains are the same ones responsible for slaughter of Christains/Assyrians/anyone else not Turkish in the area and are the ones living there now. They operate under whatever banner suits them at the time: FSA (if they need more TOW missiles) and Jabat al Nusra. The Turkomen were treated pretty awfully by Assad. They were not really al Qaeda-type muslim extremists before the war to speak of, but they have no problem joining any group that opposes Assad now. The ones in the Jabal al-Turkumen mountains are not really affiliated directly with ISIS today, but would have no problem joining them. The Chechens just want to chop heads - they don't care who they work for or who works for them. They are fighting alongside the Turkomen in Syria.
Russian border checks are mostly irrelevant. Chechnyans - like any Russian citizen - can travel to and from Turkey with an airline ticket or by ship. Chechen jihadis apparently have no trouble crossing into Georgia to travel to and from Turkey if they want to (or need to) go undocumented. The Russian-Gerogian border is not open, but it's pretty porous. I'm sure a few bucks in the right hands speeds things up nicely for anyone going across. There's no practical way for Russia to prevent the return of Chechen jihadis except through the most obvious control points like the Grozny Airport.
Prepare yourself for the cognitive dissonance that is about to come.
throw another log on the fire.
WW3 on a 60" plasma! LOVES IT!
McCain doctors have warned him repeatedly that an orgasm will trigger an involuntary reaction that will cause most of his digestive tract to fall out of his asshole.
Hillary too. After all, she started the whole thing.
This is a progressive owned shitshow. mccain is a progressive lapdog.
Never forget, the progressive stupid, it burns.
Grimaldus
Anally induced by Lindsey Graham maybe. On second thought no, McCain had a "manly" orgasm, Lindsey had the anal orgasm induced by McCain. The only reason these psychopaths love war for the sake of war only is that they get off on it, literally.
Being a tough guy is fine when there is a reason to be tough, Putin being the perfect example, but when there is no reason to be a tough guy the image must be created to cover up a lot of otherwise embarrassing and career ending butt fu$$$ng going on unless you happen to be Barney Frank who had no chance of being believable as a tough guy even though I would say he was tougher than these two assholes.
It looks more like they were beaten to death with their helmets off on the ground.
It also could have been damage from going through the canopy if the ejection system malfuctioned or was damaged by the missile.
edit: LOL. Downvote facts all you want. Yes, you can have your head smashed in from the canopy from partial ejections. This video doesn't show a partial ejection but it does show a chunk of canopy hitting the ejection dummy in the head. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1cnvJO1TF8
Everybody knew that shit was gonna hit the fan eventually
It's only a war crime when the "bad guys" do such things, not when the "good guys" do them.
Those aren't "local rebels", those are America's "partners".
Bet a few nukes will clear the way.
Beware. Shill or mor.on on the lose.
So now McCain will tell that this only a moderate war crime.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sergio_buk/72767472/10341/10341_600.jpg
These are the moderates that Obama is arming ?
Anyone who doesn't see US foreign policy as a fucking cancer on the planet deserves their children's future.
Too true, curbjob. Unfortunately, their children don't deserve that future. Sucks for them. It's such a contradiction that parents live their lives for their children while simultaneously undermining them with their complicity in the expansion of American Empire. Voting for either wing of the Democrat-Republican Party only emboldens the oligarchs and lends legitimacy to their wicked deeds.
mccain the senile idiot is not in charge. Progressive super hero Obirdbrain is in charge.
Damn sure aren't any constitutional conservatives in charge now are there? You know the ones who espouse zero intervention in other sovereign nations affairs?
This is a progressive criminal owned shitshow. Bet you voted for them too.
For war and death on any scale, first you must have progressives.
Grimaldus
"Damn sure aren't any constitutional conservatives in charge now are there? You know the ones who espouse zero intervention." --Grimaldus
We haven't had anyone in charge who espoused zero intervention since 1898, conservative or liberal. Congress has maybe seen an isolated pocket of noninterventionism here or there over the past century-plus, but nothing sufficient to generate meaningful political momentum.
...And there are no true conservatives or liberals anymore anyway; they've been replaced by neoconservatives and neoliberals, who collectively represent both sides of the imperial NWO coin.
This reminds me of that movie... Behind Enemy Lines. Good flick if you have not seen it. Unfortunately, what we are witnessing is not a movie. War is no joke. I am sick of all of it, but we have only just begun in my opinion.
I'm coming to learn tis a force of nature that can't be stopped.. war that is. They are like wild fires.
but for what it's worth, F all the chicken hawks out there.
Except wild fires rejuvenate a land, sweeping away the detritus and creating fertile soil for new life. War does the opposite.
Cautiously - Life is not a movie. Grow up.
Relax chief. Having been in 'war', I certainly understand its gravity. I want nothing to do with it ever again.
Cautiously - Life is not a movie. Grow up.
Can you say war crime?
The war machine propaganda gets more extreme by the day......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Muslim rebels, Russian Christian pilot.
Another USAF alum, eh? Are you proud of our alma mater? I'm not.
All of this happening as America is busy preparing for Thanksgiving. Probably just a coincidence.
I'm more suspicious about what's going to happen the day after Thanksgiving when the lumpenproles are packed like rats into the theatres and malls.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/22/if-windows-crashes-wwiii/
I think that the best minds of governments routinely produce World Wars with their best thinking, and electronics makes that very much worse.
The enormous systems we live within are not designed to be failsafe. Open, evolving, complex systems cannot be managed, to even imagine so is hubris to the power of Dunning-Kruger.
Thus, even our best minds have new handicaps compared to WWI, for example, when the problem was merely all of the hidden treaties combined with the pressure to mobilize if other countries did so.
I think our governments are much more complex than ever before, and are therefore less reliable, than in WWI-era.
The obvious answer to the Fermi Paradox.
It looks like roast Turkey on the menu well before Christmas.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
So does this mean that it ok for the Chineese to shot at US ships next time they violate the 12 mile rule?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c2f_1448390946
white parachuts, and red parachuts, which one is it?
I don't think these terrorists are signatories of the geneva convention.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Boy...Putin"s going to really unlease fury now...
Just remember that global warming is the biggest threat to mankind and according to Pweince Upchuck, the reason for Syria in the first place.
Global warming was the biggest threat. Until they pissed off Putin...
Global warming caused the Syrian refugee situation. Bombing and murdering innocents, intra-Muslim hate, and regime change were all the result of Global warming.
With one push of a button, Putin could really show what global warming is all about....
Putin isn't going to do anything - watch and learn rookies.
You are a fool. Putin has said that it was a stab in the back while in a very corgial presser with King Abdullah in Jordan. As they used to say: 'dem is fightin' words.