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US Backed "Rebels" Execute Russian Pilots While Parachuting, Caught On Tape
If Putin was angry when Turkey shot down a Russian plane, which may or may not have crossed Turkish territory - reports on both sides are conflicting - he will be absolutely livid to learn that, according to Turkey's Dogan News, the Russian pilots who had parachuted in an attempt to save their lives after the plane was shot down, had been executed while parachuting down by local rebels, which considering the video released earlier belonged to the Free Syrian Army, are same "rebels" who are funded directly by the CIA.
Both Russian pilots shot dead while parachuting down says Dogan News Agency citing Turkmen opposition commander
— Fercan Yalinkilic (@FercanY) November 24, 2015
And this:
DHA Muhabirinin görü?tü?ü Türkmen 2'nci Sahil Tümen Komutan Yard?mc?s? Alpaslan Çelik: Pilotlardan ikisini de para?ütle inerken vurduk
— Damla Do?an (@dmladogan) November 24, 2015
As Telegraph points out, the above tweet is from CNN Turk's Foreign Editor who tweeted that the Turkmen rebels DHA spoke to said: "We hit at the two pilots after they parachuted."
This, as many have already pointed out, is a war crime.
The only question is whether this, together with the provocative action by Turkey which many can see being an act of war, will be deemed as such by Putin.
The parachuters can be seen in the second half of the clip below:
For those who missed it, here is the video uploaded by the Free Syrian Army of at least one dead parachuter.
And here is the video of rebels opening fire on Russian pilots:
As one commentator notes, in the video one person shouts over the gun fire, "don't fire. Let's take them prisoners. Don't fire. Prisoners" but it was not meant to be.
Reuters confirms the pilots' death: Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead the two pilots of a Russian jet downed by Turkish warplanes near the border with Turkey on Tuesday as they descended with parachutes, a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters.
"Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik, a deputy commander in a Syrian Turkmen brigade said near the Syrian village of Yamadi as he held what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.
"Our units, who received the information that the two pilots were alive, are working to get them from opposition rebels safely," the official said.
The Russian General Staff said that, according to preliminary data, one of the Su-24 pilots has died after being fired at from the ground.
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According to the Geneva Convention attacks on persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress are stricly banned: if the person in distress is not acting in a hostile manner, he is to be given the chance to surrender after reaching the ground.
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What will be interesting to find out is whether or not the SU-24 was shot down by the F-16's or by a ground missile. No doubt the US will be singing the F-16 song for propaganda purposes.
The SU 24 is an attack bomber,,, not a fighter. Without overhead fighter support it would be hard pressed to defend itself against a fighter, much less 2 fighters. I imagine the Russians will now correct that mistake and fly overhead fighter cover for their bombers now the the Turks have officially sided with ISIS/ISIL.
Using AA missiles
ya know what's happening right now is the beginning of a 'world wide stock market crash'!
this isn't a kneejerk incident regarding geopolitics.
ussa must support turkey's territorial landscape and sovereignity. yet, the ussa and turkey want to slice-off syria's northern border as a no-fly-zone.
wtf!
so turkey's airspace is violated and yet the ussa invites itself inside syrian airspace without permission and conducts open airwar. the last i checked-- a country violating a countries sovereignity via military incursions was an 'act-of-war'.
assad never invited the ussa into syria...
who the fuck do we think we are?!?
the ussa sanctioned this act via its proxy fight with putin's russia,... as just an extension of nuland/kagan ukraine fomenting civil war over crimea
??? (!!! passenger jet sabotaged?)
why!
Important: Erdogan was given the green-light by Obama and as far as the French-- stay the fuck out of Syria and clean up your own cess poll!
News at 11: Brave American pilots shot down by aggressive Russia were greeted with flowers by ISIS when they landed in rebel territory.
When this crazy shit moves to Baku, Azerbaijan, that will signal the beginning of the end. Don't ask me how I know, I just do and have for a long time now.
Why Baku?
Major oil and natural gas pipelines from the Caspian fields through Georgia, Armenia and Turkey and into Europe, the second largest production/reserve area in the world. It's where Hitler tried to get to in WWII but was stopped short. For years now, starting right out of the blue, I've just had this voice in my head, Baku, Baku. So I started doing a lot of research on the area and the players in the ME including Turkey. There is a land access corridor from Souther Russia through the Caucuses next to the Caspian Sea and the Iranians also have access through their northwest border area.The Russians protect both the Armenians (Christians) and the Azeris (the only other major Shia country in the ME) from Turkish aggression, and of course their own oil interest, although as recently as the late 1990's BP and other Western oil interests were there trying to get a piece of the action. They failed and left.
I think it will become the nexus in the current conflagration, but I hope I'm wrong.
I am sure the pipeline you refer to does not cross Armenia but goes around it through Georgia.
The Western interests behind the pipeline do not want any Russian interests involved with it and Armenia is allied to Russia.
After the collapse of the USSR the Azeris almost went into the pocket of Western interests but after several attempts by the West to subvert the government the Azeris have come to their senses and made their peace with Russia.
There is a possibility that the West may restart the war between Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan to light up another hot spot for Russia.
You may not be too far off with your premonition. I hope you are wrong but there is nothing too low or craven for the West to attempt. Note the fuse that was just lit by the West in shooting down a Russian jet in northern Syria.
I wish you wouldn't use the term "West" for some of these references. There is definitely nothing western about Turkey. It's a nation difficult to trust in any regard.
The vast majority of "westerners" also have better ideas than their pathetic elected leaders do about how to solve some of these global issues.
Can we use the term "banker" or "financier" instead?
Well, Russia wanted to "join the fight" and that's what they got. They got no business being there just like US. Anything that happens to them is by CHOICE.
It was your choice to come here wasnt it?
WTF does that even mean? Your a fuckin idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23kmhc3P8U
The only reason you got those down votes was because it's "you're a fuckin idiot". The readers on ZH don't tolerate misspelling.
Russia has many more 'interests' in the are than the US does. They have the south stream gas pipeline and hundreds of billions invested in the Caspian fields. They also have to protect Syria, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran from Saudi/US/Israeli aggression. The Russians have a perfect right to be there, but the Turks don't have a perfect right to commit war crimes while hiding behind NATO.
Assad invited Russia.
Russians DO have a right to be there as they were fucking INVITED by the legitimate Syrian Government! Idiot...
Tiring to have to page through the hysteria . Putin is a leader. He will not nuke anyone......he probably will not bomb Turkey.....he probably will escort his bombers with Russ air superiority fighters ......and my best guess is .... the pershmega may soon find a very generous arms supplier.
THATS HOW HE WILL PAY BACK ERDOGAN .....BY STRENGHTENING THE KURDS.
(and that makes sense!)
In decades past I would have been severely ostracized if I made a comment favourable toward an "enemy". First of all, I no longer give a fuck what people think of my opinions because they are reasonably well thought out. On second thought, I never have been afraid to speak a truth even though it might be unpopular.
Secondly, Putin is no enemy. He certainly is not the enemy of anyone in any 'free' world and he is absolutely not the enemy of the American, Canadian, British, French, or any other PEOPLE. He is currently the enemy of ISIS, and by now we all know who ISIS really is and who funds them, arms them, and set them loose on the world. Straight up... Putin is the greatest true "leader of his people" on the face of this planet. And by proxy, he is the leader of all on this planet who value peace, and freedom from eternal enslavement to the mofos who constantly start wars, the Rotschild banking mafia. That's who needs to be dealt with.
Well, you siezed the moment anyway...
"rebels" who are funded directly by the CIA"
Time for Putin to take action.
I feel very bad for these pilots... makes me want to clean my guns and sign up for the fight against evil
This remembers me of Rambo III, there was almost an euforic moment... I got mindf*cked by indoctrinate hollywood... looking for a shrink/dealer who can give me my prescrictive daily dose....
US Begins Direct Training of Ukrainian Regular Forces
by Jason Ditz, November 23, 2015
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/11/23/us-begins-direct-training-of-ukrainia...
The Pentagon has announced today a dramatic escalation of its training operation in Ukraine, moving from its small training mission for Ukraine’s National Guard to a direct training program for Ukraine’s regular military forces, as well as special operations troops.
Ambush pure and simple.Now Russian payback time.Anyone know how many CIA agents have died in Syria so far? Seems unlikely that many would have escaped the bombing....
Unless they are all in Ibiza!
I have gone round and round with you Russians on this website because you refuse to see some things through anything but Russian-colored glasses. But as a former combat Marine who saw some nasty stuff done by the North Vietnamese to Americans I can totally understand your being severely pissed off if one of your pilots was killed while parachuting. I'm sorry it happened. Just believe me on this: if a bunch of U.S. Marines had seen some idiots trying to kill a Russian pilot in a parachute they would have stopped it cold. They would have lit those assholes up. We may have our differences but nobody should ever do anything like that.
Was this desperate attempt at exceptionalism really necessary?
You actually believe what you wrote?
Obviously written by someone who never served and has only seen blood spatter on a bad CSI rerun. STFU pansy unless you know of what you speak.
Pansy? I was in from 1967 to 1969 and came home after getting hit the second time. We saw shit done to Americans that was beyond horrific. American ground troops have a lot of respect for pilots because they save lives when the going gets tough. If you can't understand that regular military members of different countries respect each other then you're the one who obviously never spent any time in uniform. Americans are not "exceptional" when it would come to stopping the murder of parachuters. Russians, Germans, Brits, French, Chinese, etc. would all stop it. Everyone hates war crimes.
I respect that.
What some things you are talking about in past ?
Honestly, Max, I could write a book but thinking about it brings the bad dreams back. It was really bad for awhile about ten years ago when I would wake up every morning exhausted from the dreams. Then it finally got better again and now I'm doing pretty good. Finding guys chopped up after you had heard them screaming in the night was the worst. I'm sorry but I still hate North Vietnamese. There are time when I'd gladly push a button and kill all of them if I could. But I know that's wrong so I have to tell myself to just try to stop being bitter. But it's hard sometimes. My Dad felt the same way toward the Japanese until he died at the age of 84. My uncle feels the same way to this day toward the North Koreans. War is bad. Real bad. And there are probably people on the other side who feel the same way toward us.
Richsob - I appreciate your sentiment. A lot.of ZH readers firmly know their leadership can drag there citizens imto war no matter what country.
This incident reminds that this is hot, real war in the ME. Amrrican media has portrayed it as some skirmish. I wasnt in any wars or military. But I do distinctly remember footage of WW2 and combatants shooting down paratroopers and ejected pilots.
We had some great cooperation with the Russians and the space program. What I believe the US lost was a very large opportunity intellectually with the Russians and while competition for natural resources is very real, I do wish the best for the Russian people.
Despite what may or likely happen many of us Americans spoke out and took risks, that includes some top guys in intelligence against this strategy.
In any event, while it can be said freely to one another, prayers for these airmen. After this cycle of nasty behavior we are going to have a lot to forgive. Your post Richsob and your nightmares tells me this isnt going to be easy.
I have said this more than once. Putin is Geronimo with the bomb. It isnt an insult but a hopeful warning to our leadership we need to have a period of detente. Sadly, I am not seeing that happen and besides speaking out am in reality, powerless to stop it. Our leadership stopped listenting to the people a long time ago. Yes, they finished selling out to the bankers which yes, the owners of the CB franchise are Jews. Perhaps it would be better to focus on Basel than millions of.one another but hey, I know the reality I just sit in the bus and have no real power.
But the CIA guys have never had the moral restrictions of the uniformed forces, have they?
Heckuva job, Obama
Typical NATO passive aggressive bullshit.
Headline: Russian cruise middle "accidentally" flies off course and obliterates Erdogan palace.
Wait till Vlad the Impailer gets his socks screwed on. He should thank the Turks for giving him the opportunity to make the world a better place.
remember, the progressive left aka hillary, bernie, obuma all tell us this month that : "Global warming is our biggest problem, terror war not so much"
I guess what we all did not know they were not clear they mean 10,000 degree nuclear hell fire.
Every time those morons come up with global warming you have to wonder what are they really trying to cover up.
http://tass.ru/en/politics/838950
According to the Russian data, the plane did not violate Turkey’s airspace as it was flying in Syria’s airspace and was shot down over Syria.
Turkey provides no proof Russian Su-24 violated its airspace"According to the Russian data, the plane did not violate Turkey’s airspace as it was flying in Syria’s airspace and was shot down over Syria."
Yea but the Russians make up their "data" as they go along.
Russian data? Please...
lol asshole Plane was shot down 4km inside Syrian territory using AA missiles not in turkish airspace. Let the facts sink in your useless Cereberum lying in state of cognitive dissonance
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near...
One thing we know - the pilots came down in Syria, if not in one piece.
With all those satellites flying around out there there's LOTSA proof where those planes were...
I keep seeing a bear mooning a turkey and then unloading about 8 kilos of runny shit.
Admiral Josh Painter: This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
You know TPTB see the American gun owner as the enemy as they seem to give ample FREE supply of ammo to the enemy. They fire off rounds like it is nothing because it is nothing; they use it and get more.
2. Asymmetrical waysPutin can respond:
1. ExpandISIS bombing runs into Northern and West Central iraq
2. Wait til Gramma Yellen raises Interest rates and then strategically default on their debts
Has our Jack Burton commted yet? In a staff meeting and cant read thru 8 pages of domments now lol
I don't know why he hasn't commted on 8 pages of domments.
Anyone?
Well have you ever considered that some people here have real jobs? I'm not talkinbg about paid trolls that are here 24/7 cracking on about "Putin the Wonderful"
Its either paid Putrolls or seriously unemployed jackasses borrowing an Internet connection at Starbucks to talk shit all day.
Yea, like maybe he/she is at work. Perhaps you've heard of this thing called "work"?
Yup real jobs staying in caves and not acknowledging the facts because koolaiders like you stay in cognitive dissonance.
"Well have you ever considered that some people here have real jobs?"
You may enjoy your job as a paid troll but not many others would agree.
Hey! I had a job once.....I don't know what happened.
Mossad staff meeting?
He's probably enroute to his BOL. Smart man, that Jack Burton!
Thanks for votes of confidence. Yes, I do have my small business. To service customers I have to switch off media and tend to their needs. In fact, I love working for myself. It takes more time, and expect to see way less of me here on account of it.
I have a lot of research to catch up on, as I am just now aware of events in Syria. I have no Mossad connections, they hate Swedes!
"[...] expect to see way less of me here on account of it."
Ouch !!!.....................
Forget that nonsense and run for president. The American Party. We need ya!
So if some "terrorists" interupted the gas supply to Turkey and it couldn't be brought back online for a few weeks because of "bombs and booby traps" how would that sit with Turkey? Of course there would be no real damage or terror attack.
Can't prove it wasn't terror in Russia that interupted your gas supply can you? How will the population in Turkey respond to being cold in winter with factories shut down for extended periods of time?
Just one of many options the Russians have. The obvious other one is to give the Kurds a bunch of weapons to see how Turkey likes to deal with their country being attacked by "terrorists" supported by foreign countries.
Putin doesn't want to kill a Billion people in WWIII so his response will be precise and well thought out. American leaders want war for the Military Industrial Complex and the bankers. Putin doesn't want war and is doing everything he can to avoid it. www.paulcraigroberts.org
same thing, who downvotes a post like this? on what basis? looks like ZH has - i really don't know how to classify these ppl anymore because i really don't know what they represent - men who are passionate to vote for hillary clinton lurking here, or something. <shudder>. i get the post menopausal types voting for hllary, and the agitated feminists, and the young femaies who see Hillary as their Moses to lead them into the Virginia Slims promised land of whatever the h*** it is supposed to look like for them, but a red blooded American man? wtf, right? what is the matter with them? they already got f*ed over by some bitch ass wife, having hillary as *president* (God forbid) is like having this biggest bitch ass wife ever created f*ing over everybody - esp men - everywhere 24/7/365. Imagine that cunt with the sort of powers the president has today, with a bunch of emasculated weenies in congress? I dont care who you are, or what your 'party' is, you gotta be f*g CraZY if you are gonna support that bitch - especially is you are a man. check your f*g pants a*hole. you gotta pair down there. what are you *thinking*????
</bad language></raging emotion man version>
What gets me is the whole 'aloha snackbar' thing and gloating and smiling as they rummage through the dead body. These barbarians need to be introduced to their maker, right quick.
who is the a*hole downvoting?
yomutti, zinu, alphahomo - one of those twats - ZH's ISIS cheerleaders - they all share the same Iraqi refugee boyfriend who is 2x their own age.
Obama
But.. but aren't these guys our nice terrorists?
Obviously the JV team, no?
what is exactly the US official position ?
I just want to know whether the chinese can use the exact same wording the next time a US ship enters their territorial waters...
nutt'in honey
Your tax dollars hard at work!
What exactly is expected? Drop bombs on the heads of Syrians and ‘be greeted as liberators.’?
“My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . [in] weeks rather than months.”
- Dick Cheney
wondering if it was Mossad
If WHAT was Mossad? Let me guess, everything is Mossad. Your car is Mossad. Your neighbors cat is certainly Mossad. Your TV set watches you back and reports to Mossad. I see a theme. Everything is Mossad. Got it.
You know who is to blame for Astroturf?
Da Jooz!
No Seinfeld fans on The Hedge
The jews invented polypropylene?
I always though Phillips Petroleum did.
Actually it was a Mick and a Dane. (Hogan and Banks)
Spiderman was the first Jewish superhero.
Calm down, Shlomo. Aren't you the guy that thinks that anti-semitism is about hating Christians?
ha, yeah, that would almost be a joke if it weren't true. show me a christian who isnt a zionist suck up and i'll show you a heretic excommunicated from the christian 'church' - no matter the denomination. Amazing that despite all the division in christianity they all support the demon tribe and their zionism and counterfeit israel. I am sure Yeshua will be very happy to know that the very thing he got himself killed for repudiating 99% of his followers promote in the 'end times'
stupid christians, losers and sell outs. give sheep a bad name.
My Cat??? Which one??? How in the hell are we supposed to vet a cat???
Simple. Place a bowl of catnip on one side of the room and a bowl of C-notes on the other. Set the cat in the middle and let the vetting begin.
tell you what, why dont we just pull the charter that created israel, stop giving them any more money, kick all the jewish advisers to the curb, and repossess all the bombs and guns and munitions and war planes and subs and nukes etc etc etc, and let the 'jews' who think they are so f*ing special get a f*ing life and fend for themselves.
then we can stop talking about mossad, because those losers won't even exist anymore.
Just say no to israel and anything jews want, because jews only want what is good for jews and that is always a bad thing for everybody else. if it had not been for the jews and all their bs and lies and coercions blackmail wars and the whole damn thing the story above would not be. further, the soviet union never would have been, and Russia always would have been a Christian nation, and there never would have been a cold war.
just read your history and get a clue.
DOWN WITH THE JEWS AND DOWN FOREVER AND EVER WITH ISRAEL AND ZIONISM AND EVERYTHING THEY WANT BELIEVE IN HAVE TO SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CANCER DESTROYING THE EARTH AND A THREAT TO ALL OF HUMANITY
</righteous indignation>
if you heard "allahu snackbar", you'll know it's CIA
"Stop Resisting!"
"Drop Your Weapon!"
The good Russian people back in Moscow warned of this! Now Putin is getting them drug in to this mess further and further. It would seem the "chess player" is running out of moves...
Helping an ally from your paid mercenaries is not a mess.
Are you a retard?Yet more shallow gratuitous slime from alphahammer.
ZH, you might want to make note of this ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/24/turkish-f16-fighter-shot-down-ru...
In the following photo here, Mike Harris, VT Financial Editor and Jim W. Dean, VT Managing Editor, is looking over the shoulder of Syrian Minister of Justice, Dr. Najm al Ahmad, and another unnamed high Syrian official, Gordon Duff, VT Senior Managing Editor taking the photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/10/erdogan-complicit-in-massive-ind...
The following a VT editor and personal friend of Putin:
Col. Eugene Khrushchev – Former Soviet/Russian Airborne commander, Afghanistan, Chief of Planning, Intelligence and Psychological Warfare, former First Secretary, Soviet and Russian Embassies, Kabul, Afghanistan, Director of Strategic Planning, Adamus Defense Group, Switzerland
http://www.veteranstoday.com/staff-writers/
So who do you think has geniune HUMINT here. VT or the wire services?
America’s policy is to do whatever it takes, whenever required, to do whatever is necessary to stop evil; assuring always that we are the lessor evil unless we must attack evil in an evil manner to dispel evil for the sake of good. /sarc/
Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.
George Orwell
It was the "moderate" rebels that shot the unarmed pilots in their parachutes. ISIS would have cut off their heads, or exploded them off with primer cord, or skinned them alive. Nice "folks" the CIA is dealing with now.
Turkish government thinks that the Russian pilots are still alive and is working on their release. (in Russian, use Yandex to translate)
yup and those two pilots were false flag actors. Damn these Turkish media houses
The Turks only shot down the the jet. The FSA/moderates killed the pilots.
This statement by the Turkish government shows some concern for the pilots.
The FSA/moderates show nothing but a triumphant, repulsive video.
If the S-400 Russian mobile air defense system speaks, Turkey will hear it.
The leaders of Islam get the west (USSA/NATO/+) and the east (BRICS+) to expend themselves over mouse turds.
Afterward, Islam can spread to convert, enslave or destroy relatively unopposed.
Machiavelli would be proud.
Once again....this is all about the Quatar pipeline and the Anglo/US power structure attempts to run that mother fucker right through Syria...that's all it ever has been and that is why the remain in the region until they achieve their goal....Problem is...Russia knows this and will never cede Syria now that they are invited by Assad...
Their only play is to attempt to assassinate Putin and I guarantee they will attempt to within the next two years...and Putin is well aware of this...I fear for him...he is being a giant and the only check and balance against this criminal cartel...when he responds it will be....frightening..
How the next war will unfold:
After this incident, Russia starts bombing Turkish SAM sites, Turkey invokes Article 5 of the NATO charter, an emergency NATO meeting and an emergency UNSC meeting are called. The former produces a resolution that angers the Russians more, the latter is a stalemate, Russia moves its Black Sea forces to the Dardanelles and masses troops for an overland thrust through Georgia. NATO puts the Balkan forces on alert. Russia attacks Turkey in a blitz. NATO retaliates against the Black Sea fleet, Russia launches air strikes against NATO naval forces in the Eastern Med, WWIII goes full on without a nuclear exchange for years before an armistice.
Your scenario requires men of action in NATO. Politically speaking, there are none.
Ok then...Obama tries to intervene with new global Climate Change standards to battle the root cause of this conflict.
Then heads for the golf course....
"Turkey invokes Article 5 of the NATO charter,..."
And can hear crickets...
As a side note, the shootdown of the Russian Su-24 is (an unintended) Erdogan's gift to Kurdish Peshmerga. Bringing the F-16s to the game of chess was not a smart move.
Won't the move be against the FSA/moderate rebels? Why start a war with NATO unless
1) you can win it
2) you are prepared to end the world as we have known it all our lives.
Isn't that decision is Putin's?
I agree with you . The Turkey part of this can be handled with diplomatic bullshit. The rebels shooting the pilots as they parachute and shooting down a rescue chopper gives Putin cover and a green light to mount a massive ground operation in the area. The rebels will be forced to flee over into Turkey and any dream of a "Free Syria" will be squashed. Kerry and McCain won't be able to save the "moderates" without direct US involvement and they won't do that. Most Americans don't give two shits who runs Syria but they do want ISIS gone. After Russia destroys the Free Syria Army the West will be forced to accept Assad staying and co-operate with Putin in fighting ISIS
Damn, that leaves China to come in and do cleanup !
no
No. Russia bomb/cruise missle attack on Turk sam sites in area then both sides call it 'even'. Russia nor NATO want this to expand beyond limited proxy war.
Let's see some civilian airliners taken down with TOWs outside a continental European airport. See if Barry survives that one.
So the FSA/moderate rebels make a move before the Moscow Peace talks resume on Nov 27.
My only question at this point is Russia giving the supposedly moderate rebels and FSA and their weapons depots, and comand centers, and advisor/trainers the Full Monte bombing they and their bullshit deserve?
Maybe not 24/7, but at least 24/3or4. Enough to upset their Thanksgiving plans.
NO SUCH THING AS MODERATE REBELS! and WE(USA) can't tell whio is and who isn't stop fooling yourself!
Putin says.... I will be having Turkey for thanksgiving.
he should turkey is a faux NATO ally at best, a&*holes, more like fair weather NATO members - when it is good for them
he should turkey is a faux NATO ally at best, a&*holes, more like fair weather NATO members - when it is good for them
I live near a Swedish air force base where they fly the JAS 39 (a Swedish aircraft with similar performance/capacity as the F-16). Today, I heard a conversation between one of the pilots and his buddy concerning the downed Su-24.
He was now considering to leave the air force since he thought that it would be more likely that the same thing would happen to him if Sweden joins NATO, which seems rather likely.
He thought that the Russian pilots should ask for extra pay for every combat mission the fly outside Russia. He also thought that the Russian air force should provide very generous life insurance policies for the pilots, especially those who fly Su-24 or choppers. He suggested an amount of money exceeding $1 million (SEK 10 million). He was surprised that the Russians so far had not lost more Su-24:s considering the high loss rate for the F-105 in the Vietnam war. He thought that the Russians should use high altitude carpet bombing or something similar to the “Daisy Cutter” (seems to be replaced by the more powerful MOAB now).
He also thought that the pilots should be offered suicide pills so that they wouldn´t have to shoot themselves in the head in case they got caught. (I guess he was referring to cyanide pills. But as far as I understand cyanide doesn´t make people unconscious immediately, it just suffocates people to death. A syringe containing Thiopental would probably be less gruesome.
So the “moderate” Muslim terrorists we are arming and supporting shoots down pilots parachuting to the ground and then shoots down a search and rescue helicopter??
This makes me sick to my fucking stomach!!!
America has blood on its hands.
Honestly, I have been busy, and out of touch. I just picked up this sotry an hour ago. I know the trolls will hate to hear this, but before I post comments, I research what I can really find out, then make up my mind what I think, then post.
Right now this sounds like what it is. Turkey has acted it claims in slef defense of it's air space. If they can prove that, then it is legal act. If not, Russia had better respond, or else it's position will fast fall apart.
This may be a NATO test. Kill one plane, then sit back and see how Russia reacts. Remember, the US Defense Secretary promised casualties for Russian forces, and soon. Now we have the SU-25 and a Helicopter going down to American made weapons. This is probably a "Shit Test", I shit on you, and then see if you man up or fade away.
Stay tuned, this murder of Russian pilots will get a reaction. The terror grouping that killed them, they will soon be hunted from ground and air. And Russia now has every right to bring in the big guns. Mobile AA systems. TOR M2U and S-400, these can provide full ari protection for Russian planes. We don't know if they have been put in Syria yet. My Russian sources say NO, NOT YET. Maybe soon then.
Thanks Jack for your cogent insights. No ZH Russia story is complete til you comment
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Absolutely correct. This is a little toe dip in the waters of full blown WWIII.
Quick jab and see what the opponent does. I think Putin will try to prove they were not in airspace if possible. If not, let's hope cooler heads prevail but that doomsday clock is about to eclipse midnight. This is very bad news.
Also, Crimea was hit with a massive power outage yesterday. They think terrorism. The war rages on.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34899491
USA = #1 exporter of WAR
7 corporations control lamestream media and consequently what the sheeple are fed as "news" - the elite sets the agenda. Keep the sheeple watching american idol and reality TV, and pro sports and college sports and essentially main line them to the MORPHINE OF THE MASSES! while you are at it - get me another MGD!
RTN will be making a butt load of AGM-114 Hellfire missiles for drones this new year 2016 so load up on RTN ( us DOD budget goes from ~100M to 800M for these little puppies)
Russia should really have been more prudent and not put there assets in harms way (1km) inside the Syrian border - c'mon maaaan!) as they must have known this type of event would be the outcome.
USA why were we not bombing oil assets/trucks and convoys of ISIS prior to Russia doing it? hmmmmmmm (operationally we don't want to kill civilians...well HELLO civilian today driving truck for isis tomrw makes you ISIS, so blow all their Petro assets up, abnd keep dropping those leaflets to warn civilians to stay away, cough)
CIA should give free syrian army more ammo and assets ----- yup, so they can monetize it by selling it all to ISIS - like they have been! idiots
...and Turkey is no NATO good guy rather an opportunistic parasite - they only let us use their air bases when there is something in it for them. WAH! The ISIS oil convoys were driving INTO TURKEY WITH THE OIL!
...and to all the Gulf monarchies - USA - WAKE up and tell them to knock it off - they are subsidizing ISIS vs the world and we are doing the bidding for the house of SAUD, the kuwaitis, Qatarians etc etc, that sheet has to stop , freeze bank assets OBAMA for gosh sake nand quit playing stupid stand up and take the lead - PUTIN DID,
putin jumped ship after Lbya - the coalition lied to him about there intent there - go do a little research kids.
Turkey needs to put on their big boy pants now cuz all Vlad needs to do is call up Xi ping for some help. The chinese need to test out some of their weapon systems too you know
but hey it is all a CIA-Mossad production anyways....just like ZH
ZH is probably been hijacked by the CIA a while back so on that note
GOOD DAY!
I agree with you about Turkey's right of defense.
But now Russia has the Right of Retaliation. against those they perceive are responsible for the murder of the two jet pilots and the helicopter pilot.
I suppose what I'm am saying is what with Lavrov's visit to Ankara cancelled and Ankara's expression of belief that the two pilots may still be alive and the immediate release of the gloating videos by the FSA/moderates, tomorrow,
what with the delay between the action and when we are informed of it, I will be very surprised to learn that Putin did not use those events in Turkey on Tuesday to bomb as much of the FSA and moderate installations as possible.
And maybe now is still bombing them.
Turkey threatened Putin with serious consequences if Russia doesn’t stop bombing ISIS days before shutting down the Russian stealth fighter.
Turkey has run air campaigns in northern Iraq bombing the Kurds militants who were fighting against ISIS.
Turkey is facilitating selling ISIS stolen oil from Iraq and Syria oilfields to G20 membership countries on the black market at a dumping price. Has been estimated that as much as $800mil of oil has been sold in Turkey by ISIS using Turkey / Syrian border in direct dealings between Turkish officials and ISIS members under the blind eye of UK and USA.
Turkey is a corrupt, jihadist sh*t hole that hosts, protects, finances and offer intelligence and logistics to ISIS under cover of NATO membership and alliance with USA.
Turkey is considered a USA ally. ISIS is considered a terrorist faction in war with America.
Turkey is s state sponsor of ISIS with a NATO membership. NATO is harboring a state sponsor of ISIS. That makes NATO and all nations within NATO membership accomplices of sponsoring terrorism.
Shooting down the Russian jet - coming back to base after a combat mission against ISIS - under the pretext of airspace violation it’s a direct provocation of war against Russia. US sponsored, trained and equipped so called “moderate rebels” were seen shooting on the Russians jet pilots as they descended on the ground while chanting Alahu akbar.
As long as NATO and its allies are offering support to ISIS, this terrorist faction will continue to recover.
Who is fighting against who is Syria?
"shutting down the Russian stealth fighter."
1. Not a stealth aircraft
2. Not a fighter Aircraft
3. a relatively old ground support bomber aircraft
4. SU-25 does not carry air to air missiles or air combat radars. So can not really dogfight in defense.
5. Any fighter with modern air to air missiles and combat radars can shoot down a ground support aircraft. That is why they are deployed only when no enemy fighters are in the area.
Where is France and Germany to put the brakes on this stampede to NATO v Russia in Syria
who cares?
go back to your ancient alien series cupcake!
May the curse of Marduk cause your 2 inch pecker ro piss razor blades every time you squat on the bowl
sorry reply was directed @annunaki
Time to check the Russian sources and see what they think. Anger is probably a sure bet! If you wanted to stroll the streets of a provincial Russian town, and started speaking with an American English accent, I shudder to think what some people might say or do. It isn't so much they hate Americans, but our Government. And when Obama made his famous speech about Russian people being nobodies who make nothing and have no culture. Let me tell you, that bastard pissed off some white folk!
Jack well...veteran types reactions to this depend on their basic temper, some are reacting super hot, others thinking
Duma met..description intense
you know this site Jack? russiandefencenet there are two main Syrian war thread,
one Syria w/Russia role and other Syrian
Also, Ukraine thread...look there also
re ...Obama made his famous speech about Russian people being nobodies who make nothing and have no culture...
Soundz likes da bro' from da' hood be juss parroting USSA ZIO-SCUMMM*
(SCUMMM* - Satanic Cabal Underwriting Mass Murder & Mayhem)
the west is still playing checkers with putin. putin does not fall for bait but the syrian army may get a lot more accurate with their air defense systems.
We play checkers; Russia plays chess.
China plays Go.
The Turks should take a page from the Russian playbook after pro-Russian forces shot down that Malaysian passenger jet over the Ukraine and claim that they had nothing to do with it the downing and that it was actually Assad's forces that did the shooting. Or maybe claim that this is a Russian false flag.
Seriously, if you repeatedly violate a country's airspace, what do you expect? What did the Russians do to Francis Power's U2?
Also, it is entirely possible that some Turkish generals and pols were making big money by laundering oil from ISIS and were not happy about the Russians attacks on the oil trucks.
Ergodan's Son controls the smuggling of stolen Syrian oil.
Been known for some time....no secret
so a turkey shoot in Turkey
Turkey really has shot itself in the foot for short term advantage.
There was a 90 km gap between Kurd zones on the west of the Syrian-Turkey border and a larger block on the east. They were hoping to move troops into this gap to ensure free flow of arms to ISIS and to prevent the connection of the two Kurdish groups.
Now Russia/Syria has carte blanche to destroy any and all Turkish troops and weaponry that cross the border to seal this gap.
Also Russia could now extend the self-defense doctrine to any aircraft approaching Syrian territory that is no there with official Syrian government permission or by UN resolution.
yup
Criminal putin regime told officialy that FSA is not a terrorist group and so criminal putin regime is not bombing FSA.
Russia says U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army not a terrorist groupBut FSA, NATO, Turkey, etc. kept reporting that criminal putin regime is bombing them - so it means putin regime lied... again.
Syrian rebels to Russia: Stop bombing usSo putin continued to lie and play a fool in world stage ... until when again criminal putin regime went on mission to bomb FSA on border with Turkey - where ISIS is not located - they again violated Turkey/NATO airspace, got warning from them - but ignored it. Thought he is a tough guy - but Turkey fast pointed out where is putin place in world and bitch slapped him by downing ou mighty russian Su-24 war plane. So if criminal putin regime where on mission on bombing ISIS - this would not happen. But Criminal putin regime was in mission to bomb FSA and to show of against NATO by violating it's airspace - in result - putin got kicked in nutts. He deserved that for supporting ISIS. Yes - putin is supporting ISIS because FSA is fighting against ISIS but criminal putin regime is fighting and bombing FSA. So this means - putin supports ISIS. Because ISIS and criminal putin regime and Assad attacks FSA.
Few hours later - FSA bitch slaps putin again and downs it's helicopter using TOW. In one day criminal putin regime mirage about ou mighty macho and military force - was destroyed in ashes.
That is reality - now putin trolls can only scream with anger and downvote any who has put his and putins face in mud.
Hope to see Turkey blocking Turkish straits for russkies ship. Bend over putin... bend over :D
ha ha ha :D Great day!
"Zinu" is the new account of old banned member "message" a latvian troll
he was banned several times and comes back with new account
Is there anyway the US can be given a CIA-ectomy?
well, they are now based in Switzerland you know! so we did a partial...
JFK tried that and...well, you know the rest....
7th grade teacher in 1967 on first day of geography class was looking at the map of Europe. He wryly said you take a Turkey , dip it in Greece and you won't be Hungary anymore. The man may have been a prophet. By the way that is the only thing I remember from all of seventh grade. We live in interesting times.
Or, you take a Turkey, shoot down a Russian war plane and you won't be Turkey anymore.
"Get your affairs in order. Putin will respond. To think otherwise is foolish. We have been living in la la land. The Russians couldn't give a shit less about being politically correct. They still function on facts. Who put the Turks up to this? Grave mistake"
My thoughts also. How did the Turks get a sophisticated missile that can down a Russian jet? This wasn't a random action by them. Somebody decided. And who exactly were the "Free Syrian Army" who executed the Russian pilots? Because we were told 4 weeks ago that the Free Syrian Army has disbanded. Its own commander said that he quit the job.
The Russian intel forces and the Spetznaz are gonna' come back strong after this incident. And I doubt that they only want to put Syrian heads on a pole. I think they will be looking for Western advisors as well, and Turks.
You mean these guys?
https://youtu.be/FxtURBpl1rA?t=24s
fuck you potato boy
Zinu: 3 weeks...... another little fuck. Go fucking play in your mom's basement, you little fuck.
The Kurds can find all the Turks they need to. They just need to be properly equipped and their Freedom Fighters will do the rest.