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US-Backed Rebels Release Video Of Dead Russian Pilot
A few hours ago, Turkey decided that it would be a good idea to shoot down a Russian Su-24 near the Syrian border. It was the first time in nearly 60 years that a NATO member has shot down a Russian warplane.
There are competing accounts as to what led to the “incident”:
- Russia: “So far, we have not heard the reason for the crash of our attack aircraft from the Defense Ministry. We know for sure that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace, over the territory of Syria,"
- Turkey: "We warned them to avoid entering Turkish airspace before they did, and we warned them many times. Our findings show clearly that Turkish airspace was violated multiple times. And they violated it knowingly.”
Here's the official statement from the Russian Defense Ministry (note they say it was shot down from the ground):
Today an aircraft from the Russian air group in the Syrian Arab Republic crashed on the territory of Syria supposedly shot down from the ground.
The aircraft was flying at the altitude of 6 000 metres. The status of the Russian pilots is being defined.
According to the preliminary data, the pilots managed to eject from the warplane.
The circumstances of the crash are being defined.
During all the flight time, the aircraft was flying only within the borders of the Syrian territory. That was registered by objective monitoring data.
So, as The Kremlin contemplates how best to respond to what is quite clearly the most serious escalation to date in Syria’s multi-sided, five-year civil war, the search is on for the two Russian pilots who ejected as the plane went down. Needless to say, just about the last place you want to be running around if you’re a fighter pilot is Syria.
But the search for the two men may be a lost cause. According to a video sent to Reuters, by “a Syrian rebel group”, at least one of the pilots is dead. Here's the official word from AFP:
#BREAKING pic.twitter.com/pfHCjiFzdW
— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) November 24, 2015
AP says the pilot was dead before he hit the ground.
The footage “appears to show a Russian pilot immobile and badly wounded on the ground,” Reuters says, adding that the rebels can be heard saying “a Russian pilot”, and “God is great” in the background. Here's the clip:
ISIS is not known to operate in the region, which is controlled by the Free Syrian Army.
Now, both Moscow and Ankara are scrambling to figure out next steps. Frants Klintsevich, deputy head of Russia's upper house security and defense committee called the act “extremely agressive,” and says "NATO countries are trying to demonize Russia and discredit its actions against international terrorism." “This is a provocation," he added, but did say that direct confrontation with Turkey would be "absurd."
For his part, State Duma Deputy Speaker Nikolai Levichev says Russia should cut off air traffic to Turkey and evacuate Russian citizens.
Meanwhile, Turkey contends that it wouldn't have mattered whose jet it was, it would have been shot down regardless for violating the country's airspace. "Before the downing of the jet, Turkey repeatedly warned an unidentified aircraft that it was 15km (9.3 miles) or fewer away from the Turkish border. The aircraft didn’t heed the warnings and proceeded to fly over Turkey; Turkish Air Force responded by shooting it down. Turkey’s downing of a Russian jet was in line with clearly defined military rules of engagement and wasn’t an action against any specific country," an official told Bloomberg by text message.
So we suppose if that were say, a Saudi warplane, Turkey would have shot it down too.
Here's a second video released by the FSA:
That would of course be the same FSA that's backed by the US and the same FSA who is allied with al-Nusra with whom the group shares American and Saudi-supplied TOWs and other advanced weaponry (see here).
As The Telegraph notes, "Alwiya al-Ashar [who fight with the FSA] is one of around a dozen Turkmen groups fighting alongside Syria's rebels. It is linked to a Turkish and CIA-backed logistics supply programme that funnels a near-constant stream of small arms, ammunition, and cash for salaries to rebel groups across northern Syria.
So just to be clear on what's happened here in case the gravity of the situation is somehow lost on anyone, a NATO member from whose airbase the US is flying combat missions, just shot down a Russian fighter jet and the US-backed, al-Qaeda aligned FSA has released not one, but two videos depicting their fighters dancing over the body of a dead Russian pilot while shouting "Allahu Akbar" and holding up the "we're number one" hand signal.
Here's a tweet from Turkey's ambassador to the US:
Anlay?n art?k.Türkiye sözü de, uyar?lar? da dikkate al?nmas? gereken bir ülkedir. Sabr?n? test etmeyin, dostlu?unu kazanmaya çal???n.
— Serdar Kilic (@serdarkilic9) November 24, 2015
Translation, "now understand, Turkey's words and warnings should be heeded. Do not test its patience, try to win its friendship."
NATO has called an emergency meeting to discuss.
Tensions between Putin and Erdogan were already going south quickly over the Assad issue (Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky declined to comment on prospects of Turkish Stream pipeline talks when asked over the phone by Bloomberg). We can't wait to see where things go from here...
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let the war begin!
Putin will likely declare a No FLy zone over Syria enforced by S-400's and SU-35's.
Then he is likely to drop a tonnage on the Free Shit Syrian Army.
No more USUS dropping 500 toms of arms and ammo to friendly camels in the desert
Seems like a good idea. No vacation for Russian tourists in Turkey as a bonus.
Why do i get the feeling that somehow Netanyahoo benefits from this incident?
this allahu akbar screaming grates on my fucking nerves
I distance myself from our muslim President.
Putin, take those assholes out.
I wish people would stop with the 'Obama is a Muslim' nonsense. It distracts from the issues. I highly doubt Obama believes in any religion whatsoever. He is a progressive and a facist. The ONLY god allowed with people like that is the state. The progressives do not like any competing loyalties. He worships at the alter of ever increasing government power, no where else.
Barrack Hussein Obama is a muslim name. He is muslim.
THANK YOU!!!
Regime change Turkey!
Fuck those motherfuckers! Russia should wipe the floor with those fucking goons. And get rid of that fucking jew Jens Stoltenberg already. Those chosenites pop up fucking everywhere.
Can anyone shut those fucking baboons up, geez are you kidding me.
I agree, this is in rather poor taste.
The Nightmare Before Christmas?
he is the son of a coal burner and a kenyon, raised in malaysia by muslims and brain warped by that nut in chicago every sunday. he is a fucking junk heap with zero european heritage or pride and is unable at any level to relate to americans or speak ill of his muslim brothers and criminal sons.
If it looks like a duck......it's a duck.
This is all about Erdogan's son's ISIS oil sales. Simple as that.
He is a secular Muslim.
Muslim, Christian, black, white, pink polkadots who gives a shit? He is trying to destroy my country using fabian marxism,MIC, progressive social policies, attacks on organized religion, morality, unlimited immigration in league with war mongering zionazi neocon pricks..
Lets have scholars decide what he is later for now lets just resist any way we can.
Secular marxist.
Islam is his grease.
He needs a way to fit 1.2b Muslims into his NWO. Of course he sees himself as the leader/major facilititor of the Masters' collectivist vision.
He is a Marxist muslim just like his dear old Daddy that he yearns for in "Dreams FROM my father"
This is what they are after anyway........in sports I believe it's called instigating (with the enforcer waiting in the wings to drop the gloves being the NATO).......war is a great way to distract from the global financial meltdown beginning to take hold now.
Are you talking about Erdogan?
Regardless of their actions and allegiances, I always said publicly here in Greece that Erdogan and Putin are the only nation leaders with balls in today's world. Guess we're about to find out who's got the bigger pair of the two.
Turkey says the jet was over its territory, while the Russians say that it was over Syria.
Here's the question; in what country did the plane crash?
If it crashed in Syria, which would seem to be the case, then it was likely in Syrian at the time it was hit (either that or very close and heading in the right direction).
This is fucked up.
If you look at the flight path, it appears that the aircraft overflew Turkish airspace for probably a minute or 2 which is all the Turks needed. Of course you know they did not do this without Obama's green light.
The US is supporting ISIS and in jeopardy of having a NATO state start a war over protecting terrorists. The world has turned upside down
Putin is muslim? Since when.
+100 VinceFostersGhost
And make that our muslim radical islamist sympathizer aider and abettor President.
Take out our asshole muslim president too.
It actually translates that "our god is the greatest" and hence their logic that all muslims are superior to everyone else.
The least humane ideology ever conceived by man. A child fucking warmongering asshole named Mohammed has brought nothing but war and destruction whereever he rode.
Islam is peace by the sword. Arguments are won by decapitation. Sharia is imposed on everyone and nobody dares to have critical or opposing views. Sharia is already here in the US.
The fact that Islam is not banned outright is a sign that Sharia works. There are millions of a silent muslim majority who will never speak up against the fanatics because of Sharia.
Islam is fucked up beyond anything else. The reason why once prosperous cultures which were the birthplace to innovative thought are now shitholes is because of Islam. Just look at the time line since inception of Islam and the spread of this mind numbing skull fucking ideology.
The muslim cannot think free. He is a paralyzed man in a spiritual cage. There cannot be progress in the Islamic world because Sharia forbids it.
Ban Islam in Europe and North America. Have a few painful years, maybe decades but get rid of the spiritual cancer. Allow future generations to be free thinking and free determining individuals.
If you ban people from thinking a certain way, are they really free?!
Seems more like the current problem is radicalisation.
Yes. Ban things. How very American. I'm sure you've bitched about govt overstepping it's authority on here before, well guess what - it works both ways. You sound like a good little facist though- have you considered applying for a job with your local Gestapo branch?
Stop destroying these middle eastern countries. And stop importing these people into our countries. It's that simple. They can behead each other all they want as long as they keep it over there.
GREAT: just keep it over there, perfect!
You're new to this fight. Islam has fucked up the ME many centuries before the US got involved. True, the US has maybe escalated the problem by taking down Saddam or Ghaddafi but their days were numbered anyway.
Islam is the problem, has been the problem since inception. Nothing gets done under Sharia. It paralyzes men, families, communities and entire nations.
We can hate Islam and still love Muslims. We should be looking at ways to destroy the cult.
"Islam is the problem, has been the problem since inception."
Keep believing that, moron. You're being played like a fiddle.
we banned fascism and particularly Nazism in Germany because the ideology is inhumane
Something in which the West has promoted in order to prevent real Arab nationalism so they can exploit the region.
It's rather primative of people to blame Islam or any religion for such behavior, almost all religions have at least some part which can be exploited by fanatics.
zombies can never again, be truly alive.
Walkure speaks TRUTH. So does Churchill
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity."
"So does Churchill"
Oh, you've personally been to many different Muslim nations, and can therefore confirm Churchill's biased thoughts? No....you're just another idgit wanker getting your "facts" force fed down your throat from a jar of baby food, because you're too much of a stupid asshole to think for yourself.
Have fun with World War 3, fuckwit.
Gladius you big internet tough guy.. I have been all over and seen much. I have my own opinions of Islamic hell holes, their warped thought patterns and devotion to apathy and ennui, but Churchill says it better then me. WW3 will not be triggered by Islamic fuck wits but by our use of them as useful idiots you know like you.. See you when the fun starts..
https://www.rt.com/news/323523-netherlands-migrants-pig-heads/
https://www.rt.com/news/323441-isis-killed-austrian-teenager/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de1_1394099792
Cullture not color is the key now take ownership, its simple.
If what you are saying is true, why not cut to the chase an ban all religious observance?
I, for one, would welcome not having to hear from the Westboro Baptist Church ever again. That would be worth the price of admission right there.
Listen - if the framers of the US Constitution got it TOTALLY WRONG on freedom of religion, then perhaps they were wrong about some other stuff also. What else should go?
Funny how only 15 years of US government/US media official narrative scaremongering with Islam bogeyman now reduced Americans to begging for rescind their constitution. Okay sad not funny.
Land of free? Yearning for totalitarian dictature. Home of brave? Cowering in fear.
Undeserving of liberty, their government will fulfill their desires.
Ony Leftist idiots call for that type of action
Whoa, whoa, WHOA now! Let's just ban the other guy's religion. Not ours. Silly.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de1_1394099792
Good point, we agree
Su-24 shot down by AA missile four km inside Syrian territory.
Putin: Turkey attacked Russian Su-24
http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327550829.html
Putin about the incident with su-24: RF treated Turkey as a friendly country
??? ???????http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327553142.html#ixzz3sPgzfzMu
All western military aircraft flying over Syria are now targets... legally.
Wasn't that always the case? If I recall, Russia is the only country explicitly invited by Syria.
Indeed. But if airspace is so fucking important Vlad will do his duty.
Well, gosh...Turkey warned them to stay out of their airspace, that settles it, right?
Right?
Wait, who has what airspace and how do we really know?
Oh, crap...such legalities...OK, just lob bombs at each other and the last one standing wins.
That would imply we give a shit about Turkey, the turkey will be all alone against the bear.
Heh, funny. Too late. Look at how this story was led off...NATO already invoked.
This is being urged from both directions to expand, and it will.
Unless one side backs down. Yeah, that's not going to happen, the powers behind everyone are too vested, this is only the beginning.
Perhaps they want Russia to send Turkey back to the stone age, more migrants for Merkel.
because you're an antisemite. It makes you think Jews are somehow benefitting from pretty much everything and you recognise Netanyahu as a Jew
what is your definition of semite?
antisemite = antijew
Semites are a big group, most of whom are not the target of antisemtism
You very confused or else deliberately try to obfuscate.
Semites are indeed big group - includes Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians.
Use accurate terms, if mean anti-jew, say anti-jew. If anti-Israel, say anti-Israel. If anti-Israel-government, say anti-Israel-government.
This avoids needless butthurt.
Because you're a blithering idiot?
The SheepWolf
I loved marmaris Turkey but I will never step foot in Turkey again. If Russia bans their fruits and vegetables don't look for Europe to buy them. Unemployment isn't so bad. (What?.. no EBT cards in Turkey)
Russians vacationing in Turkey? Is that wise?
You think the Nobel Committee ever wishes they could take back that Peace Prize they gave to Obama? Somewhere in that organization somebody's gotta be rethinking that decision.
"Now, Bill, this is why we generally give these prizes to people AFTER they do something worthy of it, not before. But, sir, didn't we give Hitler the prize? No, Bill, he was only nominated, the Committee voted it down. And, heh heh, we really dodged a bullet on that one, so to speak. Heh heh, can you imagine? Oh, jeez, that one was a real squeaker. But now we have to explain this whole Obama thing. It's not going to be easy."
The "Committee" is part of the scam.
Nah, they'll have had their payoffs.
Rethinking the decision? As if that stupid award ever had one shred of integrity to it? Give me a break.
"...while shouting "Allahu Akbar" and holding up the "we're number one" hand signal."
Pointing the (index)finger to the sky means a tribute to Allah.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=pointing+finger+to+sky+...
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon." Smack! "Don't concentrate on the finger or you miss all of that heavenly glory..."
Wonder what all those American NATO pilots think of that video, knowing they are providing cover for that scum on the ground..
Probably throwing up in their flight helmets.
Does Erdogan have a food tester?
More than likely this will increase Putin's resolve.
Ya know, based on all of the alternative news we see, the entire conflict in the middle east is a result of the aggression of US/Israeli/western forces who are directed by the CIA/Mossad/Banking powers ... which would, according to alternative sources be run as secret governments that control the legitimate government of the United States, Israel and Europe.
No blame can be put on the US people, Israeli people or European people other than being ignorant chumps who have no power to control those who rule over them ... and for serving the evil forces bent on murdering innocent people all over the world, but especially the people in countries free of the reign of terror imposed by the central banks.
As this gets serious, I am perfectly open to other alternative explanations. They would have to be pretty good, though.
I very much agree with your sentiment. The German people did not want war either but it did little to save the people living in Dresden. The rain falls on the just and the unjust even when it is fire. This is no different than McNamara engineering Vietnam. Every line he sold the American people about containment and the domino theory were all false. All he did was slaughter a generation while gaining accolades pointing to his superior insights and understanding of geopolitics. The hubris of these sinister bastards will incinerate us all.
How's this for an alternative explanation: Russia fooled Turkey into shooting down the jet, which may not have even been manned, and is now exploiting Turkey's error to its fullest potential by using this to rally the Russian people and their allies to a stronger war commitment.
Russia was also behind the "thanks for our TOW missiles! love ISIS" video which just came out. While that was fresh in public memory, now the same asshole rebels just used those weapons to shoot down the Russian helicopter. And of course they killed the pilots and took credit for it all. Or at least, someone did, who claimed to be US-backed rebels. Whether they were the actual U.S. backed rebels or just a Russian film production crew on special assignment, still remains to be determined.
The U.S./NATO et al gained nothing....they just look like assholes yet again on the world stage. "Wow really, the jet overflies a tiny little slice of Turkey and you shot it down, killed the pilots, and shot down the rescue chopper too? Nice job, assholes." Right?
Qui bono?
Allo Akbar Bitchez!!
Turkey just signed its economic death
warrant.
I'd just as soon see it turned into a smouldering pile of ashes.
The people of Turkey do not deserve that ... and everyone is redeemable... likely even the demons.
Turkey is a dead man walking economically anyway, which is probably why they did this. Acting as NATO bullyboy is a surprise to me. Playing to the Islamicists.
Russia flew a plane directly over one of our aircraft carriers and took a picture....which I thought was pretty damn funny.
We didn't shoot them down.
They've escorted Russian planes out with F-16s before.....so what changed?
One more thing.....scrap the F-35.....and just make more F-16s.
What changed was the Russians are now affecting profits.
This wasn't as the NATO bullyboy but most likely to make the situation tense between NATO and Russia, so they don't cooperate fighting the terrorists.
SWRichmond said:--
Dunno where you plucked such a statement from. Please no guessing, wishful thinking and plucking half-truths out of bodily orifices. Credibility of Zerohedge is paramount.
Some facts: Turkey's GDP grew 3.8% in Q2 2015, and averaged 5.2% growth averaged between 2002-2011 according to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Turkey
According to the same Wikipedia article--
Economically, Turkey is doing OK; socially and politically, however, things are heading south. Turkish business people aren't hampered by the same dead-weight of government regulation that is stranguling Europe et al. A GFC Mk II will probably spoil its party, though -- no question.
Turkey's GDP grew 3.8% in Q2 2015, and averaged 5.2% growth averaged between 2002-2011 according to Wikipedia
Here's your "growth": http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=TRY&view=10Y
http://www.focus-economics.com/countries/turkey
In October, consumer prices rose 1.55% over the previous month, which followed September’s 0.89% increase and marked a six-month high.
The Russians know that Erdogan will be taken care of by his people when their economy dies.
pull all Russians out and travel, airlines no way safe
big tourist for russians though no one I know, cos never trusted anything Turk
though Erdogan Ottoman Empire ideas make it worse and for normal Turks also
bring everyone home now
From my school daze: "I am hungary." "Maybe you should czech the fridge." "OK I'm russian to the kitchen." "Maybe you will find some turkey." "We have some but it is covered in a layer of greece." "Ew, there is norway you can eat that." "I think I'll settle for a can of chile." "Denmark your name on the can." "You China be funny?"
Hillary's replacement John Carre will know exactly how to bring a brilliant dipolomatic solution to this. Smart power, baby!
Oh, dat's bad.....
The perfect reason for Russian ground troops and anti air missles to step in and secure the border along Turkey.
I preemptively desert from any US-led war supporting this islamic scum.
Impressive how quickly this shit gets released to the masses.
Are the Free Syrian Army or Syrian Free Army / People's Front of Syria or the Syrian People's Front on Periscope yet?
I thought they were on the cover of the "Watchtower" that 2 well dressed gentlemen just dropped off at my door.
"So, as The Kremlin contemplates how best to respond to what is quite clearly the most serious escalation to date in Syria’s multi-sided, five-year civil war"
How about
"We the Russian Federation have been invited by President Assad, the democratically elected leader, to fly missions in Syrian airspace. Henceforth any military aircraft not belonging to the Syrian or Russian air force or our allies flying in Syrian airspace will be shot down without warning."
That should save Nato a bit of aviation fuel and save Syrian infrastructure.
Assad should formerly invite the French to join the party as well.
China, CEE countries to accelerate win-win cooperation
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/24/c_134850541.htm
SUZHOU, Jiangsu, Nov. 24 (Xinhua) -- China and central and eastern European (CEE) countries enjoy broad cooperation prospects and the two parties should build on previous fruits and accelerate win-win cooperation, Chinese Premier Li Keqiangsaid here Tuesday.
Bilateral trade between China and the 16 CEE countries reached over 60 billion U.S. dollars last year amid sluggish global economic growth, indicating tremendous trade and investment potential, Li made the remarks while addressing the opening ceremony of the fifth economic and trade forum between China and CEE countries.
The two parties enjoy broad cooperation prospects and could speed up and deepen partnership in many fields, Li pointed out.
Li called for the acceleration of connectivity projects to link regional transportation and Internet infrastructure development with the China-proposed Belt and Road Initiative.
China is willing to invest in the construction and upgrade of infrastructure in port areas of the Baltic Sea, the Adriatic Sea and the Black Sea to boost cooperation and connectivity.
European Council President Donald Tusk has called for a summit with Turkey this Sunday to “re-energize relations and stem migration flow.” Tusk said on his Twitter account the decision came after a recommendation from the European Commission and a phone call with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu. The summit will take place despite ongoing security measures in Brussels.
Admiral Akbar! Admiral Akbar! It's a trap!
lol
Why can't the cowards in DC simply declare war on Syria? That is what has happened but the fucking cowards insist in claiming it a humanitarian mission to kill hundreds of thousands if not ultimately millions. At least Bush got congressional backing and made it official what we were doing, even if it was based on fabrications.
psst
Can't do that because it would mean Obama did something for which he would be convicted as War Criminal AND he would be impeached.
turkey's leadership in the bullseye.
From Russia with Love.
http://wn.com/from_russia_with_love_%28soundtrack%29
russia and the old ussr had assets in turkey for decades, moles - sleepers..the turkish leadership will die in accidents and falls and such ..turkey big wigs better stay off aircraft that are poorly maintained and flying in poor weather..food tasters just went up in value, polonium pie for all.
Oh, BRING IT ON!!
You missed it. Since this President was given the power to summarily execute American citizens, Congress and the Supreme Court have become irrelevant. Thank Senators Levin and McCain for writing the enabling act that moved us into this post constitutional era. We may think we are citizens but we are subject to the whims of the Oval Office. Any Tuesday the President may come in from the golf course and authorize the killing of any one of us.
We are now subjects and as subjects we are in greater danger than when George III ruled us.
time to take a page out of the chinese playbook on how to deal with these ISIS clowns
China 'used flamethrowers' on terror suspects
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/23/china-used-flamethrowers-on-uighur-terror-suspects-blamed-for-coal-mine-attack.html
My thoughts go out to the family and friends of that young man.
Amen.
My fear is that many more of our own boys and girls will follow.
Over/under on if those shitheads in the video have already been vaporized by a Russian follow up assault?
You tell young pilots they're invisible and they willingly go into foreign airspace believing they're immune from combat. It's hilarious!
get lost goat
The take away from this is that the world now knows, without a doubt, where Turkey stands in the war against ISIS.
Suppliers and profiteers.
Two things....1) the barometer is ripe for a serious war right now, kinda scary. 2) If you go to war and are much nicer and kinder than your opponent you either lose or expend way too many resources to win.
When your opponent takes his gloves off do you leave yours on?
USAF needs to leave Turkey asap!
ISIS, who has been getting their asses handed to them, have just recieved an incredible Morale booster courtesty of Recap.
Geez, you guys just keep the drum going and going... Do you expect a war, or do you want a war? Hard to tell the difference.
In any case, you will be dissapointed. Plenty of arm waving and finger pointing, plenty of empty threats from empty politians, but that's as much as you will get.
Did Turkey feel threatened by the Russian plane ? Did they think the single plane had intentions of causing Turkey harm ? If it had been a commercial jet would they have shot it down as well.
ISIS took care of the commercial plane a couple weeks ago.
ISIS oil sells via Turkey.
Turkey is supplying and supporting ISIS.
Turkey encouraged migrants and refugees to leave the camps and flood into Europe.
Turkey is ISIS.
no threat it was ambush
Update from RT
11:57 GMT
The rebel group that released an alleged video of one of the Russian warplane pilots has told AP he was shot at by the group while in the air and was dead when he landed.
Those fuckers killed him.
Yes, they shot him after he bailed out.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-pilot-shot-at-...
Moderates, right?
Indeed!
You know what, there are times when a man has to do what a man has to do.
I hope the Russians do what they have to do...
And this is how world war three begins, just in time to coincide with the world financial collapse. How conveinent for the robber barons.
And the banksters who will fund and finance this war as usual.
Maybe it's time for some civil disobediance to let USA and EU politicians know the people will send - them - first to any war front.
As the evidence of WW1 suggests, the people are only to happy to oblige and be killed by the millions in the name of their ruling overlords. Incitement to disobedience then was largely (probably totally) ignored.
so true.... it's nice to have dreams I guess ...
WW1 happened at a different time and the causalities of the war, or the potential repurcussions from that war were completely unknown to the populations of Europe. People have a different understanding of wars in this day and age. The warmongers will need to exploit the misery if they want people to sign up voluntarily.
At the beginning of WW1 the men across Europe signed up in excitement for this war. Most assumed they would be home by Christmas. The war started during the summer and lasted 4 years. Few understood the new military capabilities and its technologies and expected to fight an honest fight.
WW2 was different again. There was misery, lots of it. Also the fact that Germany was initially far superior in its strategy and conquered one land after another. The Americans, Brits and Canadians that had joined later-on came into a war that they had only seen in US made propaganda videos. They dreamt of glory in Europe. The Russians had a real fight on their hands early on and had no choice but to defend themselves.
Concerning WWI, the europeans powers should indeed have run out of money by Christmas 1914. But some clever finance guys found ways to endebt the different states so that they could continue the war.
take away lesson: a war will not finish for financial reasons. Money is a secondary aspect, the only things that matter are access to raw materials and an industry able to turn these materials to weapons.
In future, all Russian bombers along the border will have escorts.
Yep. As bad as it is, flying unescorted asserts a certain amount of non-aggression towards Turkey. You bet from now on the bombers will have fighter escort and close-air support. They will have to re-configure drone flights to determine any artillery near the bomb target, take that out first. The fighters can supply protection for the bomb runs.
I doubt the Turks will try this again. If they do, they will be short one or two fighters/artillery batteries.
I suspect the Russians do have proof no airspace was violated or they would not have said they have data to back up the claim.
It could also be a PTB ordered shootdown to try and break up the Franco-Russian alliance.
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The inbred morons who shot the gloating video also just made a bad mistake putting themselves on film for SPETSNAZ to ID them for later liquidation. Rest assured, Russian special ops is active in that area.
Dead pilots don't eject. That is clearly a close quarters head shot wound there in the photo. Let us all remember who it was that fired the first shot of this coming World War.
Obama and Erdogan are Muslim socialist war mongerers .... Putin is a Christian socialist with a dwindling population and economy ?
Bomb Mekka. Break the stone. End Islam. Free the world.
Any good Jewish diamond cutter .... could crack that rock .... with 100 pounds of C-4 .... placed at fracture surfaces .... do it at night .... the Muzzies would have a surprise ?
Grind it up and sell it in bags of cat litter.
US CIA backed ISIS really being protected by Obama.
Guess who left $500 million of equipment and TOW missiles for them?
US citizens have a corrupt and evil government. What the founding fathers warned against.
Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine et al .... lose your Soviet chains ?
The main question is really: where was the plane shot down, regardless if it violated Turkish airspace?
Looking at the head wound of the pilot is looks like he was shot at close range. Either executed or suicide.
claimed turkish radar version shows fired from turkey well into Syria where hit aircraft going away
from border
by the radar SU24 crossed 3 km 19 sec maximum of tip of border.
probable already locked on while in Syria and turned fastest to get away...but
looks Turks wanted, and ambushed...were there waiting
turks claimed warned many times which impossible in max 19 seconds
that is from look at radar turkey presented...
Putin : If I had a son .... he'd look like Trayvonsky pilot !"
Why didn't Obama shower ISIS truck drivers with leaflets a year ago .... why didn't he bomb the Mosul refinery a year ago ---- when ISIS was torturing and killing Christians .... the real refugess from Syria and Iraq are Christians .... why doesn't Obama let them in ?
Monetas-
Because Obama is a radical muslim islamist sympathizer, an antichrist who slithered into the Whitehouse. Actions always speak louder than words.
He stashes his prayer rug .... in the Lewinsky bathroom .... not far from Lincoln bedroom .... the next time you see Obama in golf shorts .... look for callouses on his knees .... LOL ?
Vlad Speaks:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/838825
Listening to vlad, he mentions that a lot of ISIS oil products, get to the market via Turkey. I wonder if Turkey shooting down the SU-25 is payback from the loss of ISIS transporting oil though Turkey or selling it to 'unnamed' parties in Turkey, with all the blown up tankers in the last few days.
If the Russian plane was shoot over Turkey .... why didn't it fall to ground in Turkey ?
In the previous jet story, KIWI indicated that in 2005 there was a border incident in this area and Turkey unilaterally move the border south. If not recognized by the UN or someother higher authority then this jet might have been flying over soverign Syria who invited Russia in. Therefore the plane was not flying in Turkish airspace and was shot down and crashed in Syria. I am sure with Latakia being so xlose there were radar recordings of the planes location. Yes, it might have been flying along the border (inside Syrian airspace) as a test for radar signals and Turkish response but it was not threatening Turkey. Shoown and then for the Turkman rebels to execute the pilot was a major screwup. Big, huge, gigantic. t El Nino is going to do to Europe but if it gets cold everyone better go chop some wood.
The 2nd video: Cool special effects the FSA has afforded for their video intro, considering they're a loosely organized group.
Also funny to see white man with white beard screaming god is great in Arabic.... what's going on here?
I'm not sure Turkey is our friend. Maybe we should stay the hell out that region and let the centuries old war carry on.
No word yet on the second pilot/RIO. I agree that the injury to the first pilot appears to be a close up head shot. Probably done on the ground. I don't think he suffered much. Not like that poor fucking Jordanian pilot. Let's hope the second pilot isn't getting his head sawn off or worse.