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Drone Whistleblower: Pilots Often High on Drugs; Refer To Kids As "Fun Size Terrorists"
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
The killings, part of the Obama administration’s targeted assassination program, are aiding terrorist recruitment and thus undermining the program’s goal of eliminating such fighters, the veterans added. Drone operators refer to children as “fun-size terrorists” and liken killing them to “cutting the grass before it grows too long,” said one of the operators, Michael Haas, a former senior airman in the Air Force. Haas also described widespread drug and alcohol abuse, further stating that some operators had flown missions while impaired.
Haas also described widespread alcohol and drug abuse among drone pilots. Drone operators, he said, would frequently get intoxicated using bath salts and synthetic marijuana to avoid possible drug testing and in an effort to “bend that reality and try to picture yourself not being there.” Haas said that he knew at least a half-dozen people in his unit who were using bath salts and that drug use had “impaired” them during missions.
– From the Intercept article: Former Drone Operators Say They Were “Horrified” by Cruelty of Assassination Program
I’ve highlighted the plight of several brave drone whistleblowers over the years who came forth to decry the barbaric and likely illegal nature of the U.S. drone program. Recently, four of them came together to denounce it more forcefully and provide more disturbing information. They also wrote a letter to Obama.
The Intercept published a powerful story on them the other day, here are a few excerpts:
U.S. DRONE OPERATORS are inflicting heavy civilian casualties and have developed an institutional culture callous to the death of children and other innocents, four former operators said at a press briefing today in New York.
The killings, part of the Obama administration’s targeted assassination program, are aiding terrorist recruitment and thus undermining the program’s goal of eliminating such fighters, the veterans added. Drone operators refer to children as “fun-size terrorists” and liken killing them to “cutting the grass before it grows too long,” said one of the operators, Michael Haas, a former senior airman in the Air Force. Haas also described widespread drug and alcohol abuse, further stating that some operators had flown missions while impaired.
In addition to Haas, the operators are former Air Force Staff Sgt. Brandon Bryant along with former senior airmen Cian Westmoreland and Stephen Lewis. The men have conducted kill missions in many of the major theaters of the post-9/11 war on terror, including Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
“We have seen the abuse firsthand,” said Bryant, “and we are horrified.”
Recall Bryant was the guy who quit after a supervisor tried to tell him a little kid they killed was just a dog.
Haas also described widespread alcohol and drug abuse among drone pilots. Drone operators, he said, would frequently get intoxicated using bath salts and synthetic marijuana to avoid possible drug testing and in an effort to “bend that reality and try to picture yourself not being there.” Haas said that he knew at least a half-dozen people in his unit who were using bath salts and that drug use had “impaired” them during missions.
The operators said that they felt increasing urgency to speak out in the wake of the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris last week; they believe drone assassinations have fed the rise of the extremist group the Islamic State, which has claimed responsibility for the attacks.
In their open letter to Obama, the former drone pilots made a similar point, writing that during their service they “came to the realization that the innocent civilians we were killing only fueled the feelings of hatred that ignited terrorism and groups like ISIS,” going on to describe the program as “one of the most devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world.”
Read the full letter the drone whistleblowers sent to Obama here.
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The Bravery of Being Out of Range
It's a back and forth war. This crap will never end.
What we have in our hands is middle-east brought out to your front door by years of blunders.
These neer-do-wells are the essence of cowardice. Killing innocent people is nothing more than a video game to them. May they - and especially the monsters who "train" them - rot in the hell prepared for them.
“They leave their house, drive three minutes, and walk into a metal box and it’s like walking into central command or Pacific command or another theatre,” Bauman said. “You fly your mission and walk out of the box, and you’re back in North Dakota.”
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-curious-stressful-life-of-a-us-mili...
I feel like this is our version of the Hunger Games.......Reality imitates art.
Just wait until the cops start using drones inside our own borders. That should be downright hilarious since there are some things even a corrupt cop won't do in person.
Job application:
1. Do you play a lot of video games?
2. Do you have an indifference to human life?
The essential
employment:
Are you a sufficiently psychotic psychopath to obey orders from those who are even more psychotic psychopaths?
@RM ~ You just set a world record for shortest post 'ever'! :-) (jk~ Ilike your posts) ~ POPE
"Even women, children?"
"Yeah!!!!"
"How you can you shoot women, and children??!?"
"Easy, you just don't lead them so much! Ain't war hell!"
Full Metal Jacket, Kubrick ahead of his time as usual in giving us a glimpse at the reality of war, but we just dismiss it as hyperbole, used to make a point by a filmmaker.
Hey, the mainstream media censored this one... what are you doing, Tyler???
The real fun doesn't start until such programs go domestic.
Perfect analogy! That scene disturbed a young Bangin' to a great extent. To see that humans could easily become completely detached and casual about taking a life; especially women and children was scary. It's even easier to discount human life through a video screen. Fuck drone warfare!
Porple Hearts...that's it ... Porple Hearts is whats these courageous patriots deserb the way they risk their lives to keep us safe.
Winning minds and hearts without ever leaving the snack bar.
"Change you can beleive in!"
They get PTSD AND Carpal Tunnel !
I concur
And on this fragile little blue marble* we live
*she will survive
Are you a sufficiently psychotic psychopath to obey orders from those who are even more psychotic psychopaths?
RM, Those "even more psychotic psychopaths" believe themselves to be safe from prosecution.
First just who will admit that he is a child killer?
And just who is going to believe a bunch of admitted child killers anyway?
These whiistleblowers are just as complicit in child killing as their bosses.
And they are not heroic at all. They are just bragging about it...under the pretense of doing that which is right.
They are feigning remorse as...they are psychopaths. They would not have taken the job in the first place if they were not..
You are quite correct, RM, that they are also psychotically psychopathic.
They are not heroes or exonerated because of their whistleblowing.
They are still monsters...the identified monster.
As to the unidentified monsters...
Jeezus, you people are fucking beyond stupid.
Do you not understand that people die in wars? A few billion muzzies want you dead. Luckily, FOR NOW they only have the capability of infiltrating a few commandos with AKs and bomb vests -- not much of a threat.
Your job is to make sure they remain weak and far away. A few hellfires a year is a small price to pay. Yes, women and children die in wars. Always have, always will. That is why you don't bring them to the battle field.
The fact that the pilots needed to self medicate proves they were not psychopaths. A psychopath would kill with no emotions of any kind. What ever you've been taking has fried any possibility of logical thought process.
Jeezus, you people are fucking beyond stupid.
Do you not understand that people die in wars? A few billion muzzies want you dead. Luckily, FOR NOW they only have the capability of infiltrating a few commandos with AKs and bomb vests -- not much of a threat.
Your job is to make sure they remain weak and far away. A few hellfires a year is a small price to pay. Yes, women and children die in wars. Always have, always will. That is why you don't bring them to the battle field.
The fact that the pilots needed to self medicate proves they were not psychopaths. A psychopath would kill with no emotions of any kind. What ever you've been taking has fried any possibility of logical thought process.
You heard it on Fox or some blowhard mouthpiece for the Zion outfit on the beach, and therefore you sir must be right, I am a bumbling fuck who never understood the theory, (yes they teach this in the Army War College), it's called the just war theory.
Maybe when you want to act like a broken empire that has spent the wealth of at least the next two generations, with no hope of ever repaying it, you just go fuck with people in hopes of keeping a few tens of million employed in a war machine that really has no business even existing in 'Christian' nation.
I'm not thinking Jesus was ever thinking about how he would bomb anybody in sight just because he was bored.
Tom - The story is about a guy who quit in disgust and was a whistleblower. Everybody is beyond redemption to you? Doesnt sound very Christ like. What I want most is for us as a nation to change course. The meaning of the word repentence. I am no holy roller my shit stinks sometimes too. But if the world just wrote me off before I started looking in the mirror and changing it would not be worth staying alive at all.
Bath salts while conducting combat missions?
Anyways, all of this evil gets to me. It is going to get worse too. Have to endure.
Radical M, I recall reading a story a year or two ago (ZH I think) about a female drone operator that was very gung-ho about killing from her comfy bunker. The best part was she was about 6 months pregnant at the time.
Does anyone else recall this?
No, Irish Yoga, I do not remember reading such a story on Zero Hedge.
I once watched a movie, briefly available on YouTube, whose story line revolved around people working inside of a drone command center, reaching crises of conscience regarding carrying out their orders. It was a relatively good dramatization of the whistleblowers' story.
3) Have you ever crashed a wedding party you weren't invited to?
3) Have you ever crashed a wedding party you weren't invited to?
Nope, nor a funeral either. Don't like going to those things. If I have to, I have to.
Media is used to create perceptions in the false notion of perception = reality. Also take a look on what is presented on TV Programming. "They" are using the Monkey see Monkey do tactic in their brain washing. Show how people react to situations on TV, then in the real world people think, "oh I saw this person react to this on TV this way, so I must react that way too". Truly sinister and evil.
This has been going on ages, only thing new is the way to kill 'em...
You forget the most imprortant part which nobody is takin about.
Those drone pilots are the same ones who fly the drones over America.
50000 in total.
Now you tell me how you see the difference between a Fun size terrorist and a fun size American from an altitude of 3 miles on a blurry black and white screen.
Americans should realize that their killers are flying those robots.
And those who make fun about it? You support the killing of American children. Let's see when it's you kids or kids in your family who catch the bullets.
And if nobody protest in America about these killing by drone pilots, they all agree with the killing of their family by the same drones.
Unfortunately most Americans are to dumb to realize it and will only react when their kids are shot down.
And my answer when that will happen? Who cares! You fucking supported it when it was other children who got shot! Be a patriot and make jokes when you burry your own kids!!
USA...
Plenty of People in the US don't even know were Pakistan is on a map...Might as well not even exist to them. Thank a progressive today for what they have accomplished in the education system.
I was on the road with a 23 year old kid today, fresh out of school.
I'm so amazed about the total lack of global insight or even knowledge, he didn't even know what was happening in Brussels and believe me, Belgium isn't a large country. Doesn't watch the news, doesn't watch television and only uses the internet to download movies and music and follow soccer.
He had a bachelor in engineering and next to that, the kid was just stupid.
We used to speak 3 to 4 languages when we left school, he hardly spoke english and almost no french. His answer? I don't want to work there and I only want to do business with flemish people. Travel ambitions? Thailand and the party cities in greece and spain.
I don't think that every kid is like that but my god... I didn't want to talk to him anymore, it really felt like an effort for me.
Today, there was decided that the mileniums will have to work untill they're 77 years old before they retire.
When I asked him about it, he didn't care.
Now as a student, I was a protesting kind of person. I knew a lot of students like that. I was wrong sometimes yes, but when I didn't agree I protested. Now as I'm older I only protest by preparing and taking advantege of the situation, good or bad, that's my decision.
But he just did't care. He didn't know anybody of his age who cared.
He had just spend his salary on a pair of 1900 euro's shoes... a guy... that's his month salary...
He didn't have a car... that didn't matter for him...
It was pretty weird to me, maybe it's the first sign that I'm getting older :) but I like to think 39 is still young :)
But most things I know and can do, I didn't learn this at school! Selfeducation, reading and trying out by doing.
So to blame it on education alone...
Nehe! I don't buy that.
We didn't get everything from school either! I was a computer wizard, I knew a shitload more then my own teachers! I used to take over the lessons from my teacher and explain things to the class while my teacher was taking notes!
Education is a small lader, it helps you to be interested but it won't give you a free pass. At all!!!
Boy, all the protesting in the past really, really helped. As soon as white middle aged boys no longer were at risk of dying is some godforsaken rice paddy halfway around the world, what did they do? Did they continue to "fight the man?" No, they [u]became[/u] the man. I love how the older generation refers to ours as "programmed" and "uncaring". From the same people who claim they "bought in" to the system instead clearly "selling out." It's always difficult to hold my tongue and stop myself smacking them around until they cry.
That's why I can't sit idly by and watch as my generation is basically doing the Grumpy Old Man SNL sketch with regards to the next generation of "dimwits who are going to destroy everything." Newsflash! We've already destroyed 95% of sh*t and they don't have much left to break...
If the previous generation wants to continue thinking that the next generation are lazy buffoons, all I have to say to that is we learned from the best. It's funny how they say that they were never given aything, and how "hard" they had it compared to us. To paraphrase a Yale professor, the telescopes of Planet Yuppie don't reach Planet Earth.
This generation is indifferent because we know of what went on in the past and realized the futility of resistance. I was at Seattle in '97 as well as FTAA in Quebec City. Even if FTAA was "killed", much of the content was still implemented ANYWAYS over the next decade in piecemeal fashion. The same will happen should pigs fly and TPP fails. Knowlege isn't power. Knowing all that's wrong with the world is just going to make you miserable, so from a mental health perspective, the wise thing to do is simply not pay attention because the other path is just frustration and misery. There are just way too many people with vested interests in the system to allow for any meaningful and required reform. And I'm not speaking of "welfare queens", either. Doctors, lawyers, just about 100% of academia and most "professionals" are the biggest welfare queens imaginable. But that's another rant.
The only thing to do is get away from large urban areas and learn the freedom that comes from going without. Your health will thank you. The planet will thank you and it will be fun watching things when the next inevitable crisis comes along. Even if the crisis doesnt show up in my lifetime, I can at least look at myself in the mirror each day.
"Knowlege isn't power."
Yes, it is. But it requires intelligence to be able to wield it. Knowledge without understanding doesn't help.
Hal,
Even though I understand your summation that the best alternative is removing yourself to watch from the rural sidelines, I don't agree. There's no safe place anymore. And I'm talking more mentally and spiritually then anything else. It's pretty much Donne's ..for whom the bell tolls...
Those trying to live outside the madness often get dragged in despite all intents otherwise, and get dragged in one piece at a time, or maybe simply bifurcated. One foot in and one foot out.
Hal - Understand your sentiment. But what you dont know right now in this cycle can get you killed, literally. Plus I call this cycle the age of the robber. The middle men steal with impunity and you look like lunch.
I sometimes drink to blot it out so I get it. But it is good your here as obviously you are interested in learning what you can about hedging. Living in a rural community does help, less polic state and the views are better.
Social mobility is definately at a low so I do understand some of the lack of motivation as you mention. Its a big evolutionary wall to climb. A popular poster I used to have on my wall when younger:
"The lion wakes up and knows it must faster than the slowest Gazelle or it will starve. The Gazelle wakes up and knows it must run faster than the slowest lion or it will be eaten. Whether your a lion or gazelle when you wake up you better be running."
I hope you are at least making some friends in person. That helps in these times.
Good Rand Hal10000.
In final analysis you advocate going Galt.
You should see what it feels like to be 59. In my time we stopped a war, threw a crook president out of office, and completely changed the society. Today's kids: bloated, anesthetized narcissists with a perchant for cruelty. "Fun-sized terrosists" indeed.
Our small company has been trying to hire some millenials for months. We hired a few. We pay well. They show up late, are unprepared, dressed like they don't give a damn, won't follow directions, and generally do not give one single solitary sh*t about what they're supposed to be doing. Sorry to generalize but that has been the experience.
" and generally do not give one single solitary sh*t about what they're "
They learned it from their parents.
The baby boomers.
Tree is not far from apple.
And the boomers learned it from the generation before them
The not giving a shit comes from companies not giving a shit about their employees and being intellectual property thieves.
The changes we made weren't that productive, unless you are a lowlife fucking stupid socialist that wants to use the force of an evil government to rob the productive to give to the mostly worthless for their vote to rinse and repeat.
Fuck us.
FDR was a much bigger piece of shit than Nixon and got elected 3 times.
Actually LBJ was also a bigger piece of shit.
Nixon got caught covering up for the clowns that worked for him.
talking about aging - i'm nearing the last trip around the block for my 40s ... love it! the Big 5 - 0 coming up and I am quite happy
death can come anytime - just read one of the most successful wealthy San Francisco realtor (Shorenstein) died at 60 from cancer. Another SF popular runner just died at 60 (got run over car vs. scooter following a Runners Club party) ... some Boy Scoutmaster just died recently at the model rocket scout club outing - he was looking for the rocket that just blasted off - it came down right in his face. Bad way to go, no 2 ways about it.
At least the Belgian kid took his degree seriously and knows he wants to stay local, good on him for wanting to go where the music is too ... who needs a car these days anyway ...
and btw, it was Seattle '99, iirc ...
I feel that way about the overwhelming majority of humanity.
if we were to allow our music & medicine we would rekindle the joys of our fellow humans ... sorry for you folks who have not experienced the Festival Music Rave Scene ... how can people forget ?
for those who haven't seen it, please watch the Director's Cut of WOODSTOCK.
The WarMongerers and Assassins & Psychopaths have done quite the job brainwashing the USA of the people and events that should be Lionized and Remembered. Instead we get forcefed the cut-out plastic politicians and fake celebs ...
initial steps in clearing out one's thinking is admitting all the fake BS we've been lied to .... from all wars are Bankster Scams to the JFK hit, and on.... the fake NASA Moon hoaxes and fake NASA Space Station .... 9/11, IsIs
here's a good link to some other hoaxes that have been played on us, to keep the Slave Owners Status Quo in place and practice MindKontrol on the public
milesmathis.com
Plenty of people in the US don't even know where North Dakota is either.
i was in England years back, talking to some builder fella - from Watford - he had no idea where Wales was ....
and the Brits dare to think of us as provincial and geographically ignorant ... anywhere you go, there are folks who are mainly just in their locale ....
USSR plan to down USA Air Force in Cold War?
Kill all pilots at home sleeping in their beds.
Low tech & smart, those Cold War Ruskis.
reminds me of the NASA space pen $400,00o to figure out make a pen flow in zero gravity,
the Russians were watching and taking notes, in space, with a pencil.
Where is Anonymous when you need them to hack target sites and change the coordinates with those of the command centers?
If you find yourself in a fair fight you have made a mistake. Unfair fights are your objective. Whether you are a marine on the front line or playing missile command seven thousand miles away sipping on a supersized fizzy drink. Fuck fair.
“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”
-George S. Patton
I'm prety sure that's Israel's national motto
That might be to make dumb bastards in other countries, die fighting for your country.
If you look closely at that quote, you realize the only people who go to war are dumb bastards, even if they win.
-- Henry Kissinger
Not even close to fair, 'Murika started this fight in '03 so Cheney and his buddies could take over the Iraqi oil fields and get rich doing infrastructure rebuilds along the way and has now morphed into a MIC gold mine of manufactured enemies. More $$$$ at your expense and the blood of your children for years to come. ALL because you're just too stoopid to know otherwise. Decades of propoganda filling your heads that you're #1 has finally paid off. Just that the rest of the world knows you're #69.
Exactly. This whole thing started, when we set out to "get" Bin Laden in Afghanistan. He's long dead, and we are still killing people all over the place. Kill a man's wife and kids and he suddenly will have an axe to grind. We have no fucking business in Syria, Assad isn't our "problem". Why aren't our military families calling for their sons and daughters to be brought home?? This will go on forever, at least until the nukes fly. McCain was wrong, it won't be the 100 year war, it will be the endless war. Bin Laden won, he got EXACTLY what he wanted.
War is America's business.
Why do you hate America?
Wasn't war Hitlers business too???
It was the result of socialism, running up a debt and then having two options...shrink the state or shrink someone elses state.
They've learnt from Vietnam. "Ëven if you don't support the war you must support the troops otherwise you're a traitor". That's the message pounded hme everyday.
During the Viet Nam War returning military personnel were spit on and cursed. That was wrong as they were just tools.
There is no reason not to support the many who serve honorably even though they are also tools. You can show respect to those who serve and still try to get them to leave the services. Throw epithets at the ones responsible for misusing our treasured youth.
Withdraw your support. Withdraw your consent by not voting. Withdraw your support by limiting your contribution to the machine.
Hippies were just macho jerks. They would often strut up in their sandals, dashiki, and patchouli to burly green berets who were fresh back from facing enemy troops and watching their best friends die and just spit spit spit. It made many a soldier just run home to mama and cry cry cry...
Sorry, had to down vote you. War is the business of the U.S. government, it banker overlords and the MIC. America has little to do with it. The average American has been manipulated and lied to for so long most can no longer think critically or act responsibly.
Yes!, The Support Your Troops Meme is such a narrow slice of the overall killing pie. Of course we support men and women put in harms way for our freedom, any normal human being would support brave young people willing to sacrfice their lives and limbs for us. But that's the narrow view and too many stoopids bite down hard on that idea without asking the TOUGH question. What the fuck are we doing there in the first place??? In order to answer that question you have to go all the way back to 1946 and follow the thread from there. That's why we're fucked.....not enough people have the attention span to look closely at the entire history of these events to see the BIG PICTURE. I've painted the broad stroke outline to many friends and educated people and all I get back is a blank stare.
Support the Moops !! 2016
Why specifically 1946, as opposed to 1913, or another date? Paint the "broad stroke outline" for me please, if you will. I'm always looking for another perspective on the how & why we're globally fucked issue. (Well, the why is pretty clear: psychopathic moneychanging families.)
1776 was the kick-off to the eternal war for eternal peace. That may have been the only good war to gain freedom from the inbred King George. Have we ever been invaded besides Pancho's wet dreams and his wetter farts? Pearl doesn't count, wasn't a state and was a response to the crippled commie's embargo on Japan.
Yeah, I know, we presently have 20 million invaders, but not all are warlike.
In 1946 George Kennan from the US State Department outlined the broad strokes of US "interests" moving forward with Europe and Asia in shambles, they recognized there was a unique opportunity to economically dominate the world. The globe was sectioned up into areas of service to US corporate interests and function with the MIC as military oversight. The Middle East was already seen by then as the region of critical importance and with the US not in clear control of the region the US State Department looked to keep the region in perpetual instability with the use of installed proxy gov't. Iran 1950's is a great example and the subsequent recapture of Iran by Islamic extremists has given birth to the modern US approach to the Middle East.
That was sort of my point. Most Americans don't see themselves at odds w what the government gets up to.
(And for the minority who do, it's confined to bitching about taxes)
If Johnny leaves the Service, Johnny's future is at Burger King.
...or the police department or in taxpayer-funded jobs where vets receive hiring preference.
Or if they really enjoyed their service, they can be hired for twice the pay by Xe/Deathcorp/Academi or wtf.
Tim Osman was just an agent following his handlers orders, America won and is still winning as long as we're over there.
Put it on twitter man....a comment truly worth retweet
Put it on twitter man....a comment truly worth retweet
Money: +1
"Slum-clearance on a massive scale"
http://barlowscayman.blogspot.com/2015/11/slum-clearance-on-massive-scal...
MBB, do you really think this started in '03? Go back exactly 50 years prior to that and look at what the US was doing in the ME. I'm sure it goes much further back than that as well.
War. Is. Hell.
If these drone pilots don't want to be in that line of work the Air Force can always use more grease monkeys.
¯\_(?)_/¯
Those guys aren't soldiers and sure as hell not "patriots".
These drone pilots are the kind of people why cancer was invented.
It's purely disgusting that America has people like that working for them.
They're sick retarted mass murderes. Filth of the earth.
Killing people in a cowardly way like that to pay the bills is disgusting, it's even worse then those Nazi camp guards who led the jews to the gas chambers.
And the fact that nobdy protests against these animals...
.."These drone pilots are the kind of people why cancer was invented."
Yikes! Brutal in Belgium.
Troof.
A few years ago, I spoke with a retired commercial 747 pilot who flew F-16s when he was in the air force. He claimed that some of the guys graduating at the bottom of their flight school class end up flying drones.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight you have made a mistake. Unfair fights are your objective. Whether you are a marine on the front line or playing missile command seven thousand miles away sipping on a supersized fizzy drink. Fuck fair. "
- signed: a coward.
Despicable mentality.
No, it's reality of all conflict. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive beyond belief.
That includes civil fighting as well. A mugger isn't there to have a fair fight with you, he has overwhelming superiorty, or he wouldn't be there. You think the fighting you see on UFC (for example) in any way represents any form of reality? No. Fairness only matters in sport. i.e. Entertainment.
The reality of attempting to apply sporting principles to real fighting will leave you lying in a pool of your own blood wondering why all your sport training was no use as you bleed out.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=caf_1425147486
Drones are the ideal form of warfare. Lightning bolts from the gods. The point about drones is not fairness, it is what kind of god are you going to be? One that kills children?
'fuck fair'
Yeah.
Fuck 'morality', or goodness, or any virtues of evolved humans.
Lets act worse than any animal could act.
Lets act worse than our self made enemies to show how much better we are than them.
That isn't what he said. The time for all those aspects of humanity is BEFORE the fighting begins.
Fighting, warfare is dirty and nasty. It's why we try not to do it in the first place. Most of us anyway. America, not so much.
Used to be that snipers were the pariah's,unpopular even within their own army, now the
serfs of the Empire laud them.
How long until we get the Hollygarbage American Drone Pilot movie ?
Uh, snipers are only "unpopular" in armies because they are at the behest of questionable leadership and are trained like ninjas.
Has nothing to do with "morality".
Get real.
Before the bullets start whizzing by snipers are an infantry's best friend.
Not in Nam they weren't. Artillery and Air strikes were infantry's best friend. That and being rotated State side.
Not where YOU were maybe.
But both the marines and army have sniper schools and have had them since there has been large scale conflict.
There already is one, called "Good Kill'. It's actually not bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28r87OzTVeo
Happy Dronegiving
I think I might say this to every fat fuck on that bullshit national holoday.
Thanks.
Reminds me of the old jodies: Flying low and feeling mean.....nalpalm sticks to kids.
They don't get sung anymore for a reason.
NOT "blunders" BUT RAPACIOUS PILAGE & PLUNDER..
winning hearts and minds
we'll be treated as liberators
they'll name their first born after us
implausible deniability = USSA (1913-2015)
Great song.
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When the snake is evil, dangerous and destructive you must chop off its head...
cut off their bank accounts!
Should be interesting once this technology is more widespread
Eating you own shit hazardous prick
Been going on for a long time.
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061
In America there is a high paying job for every psychopath, for those that still have human empathy or a moral standard there is a drug for that.
Captain Oveur: You ever been in a cockpit before?
Joey: No sir, I've never been up in a plane before.
Captain Oveur: You ever seen a grown man naked?
It's just another video game when your thousands of miles away. This is one of the things that worry realistic people, that brutal conflict is something that happens to other people, far away......
Legalize being high at work. Problem solved.
Barry's on it.
Getting 'high' was first used in reference to people that were using alchohol, and Financial managers do it every weekday.
Entire societies crippled with PTSD. Paranoia strikes deep.What horrors have we wrought upon humanity. Imagine growing up and the sky really WAS falling.
"What horrors have we wrought upon humanity." There is no we here only an insane US government led by an islamist fool. There is no moderate islamist and you have elected one to the high office.
Sterilized warfare. There is a consequence.
No boots on the ground, but Obama has no problem killing people using a drone. It is his way to keep his hands clean, while bringing home the troops prematurely & creating the vacuum that the JV team filled.
His hands aren't clean.
Remember this when "they" openly turn sights on mericans.
The only people I know from my generation who are making GOOD money, work for major banks or the MIC...
mostly true. and neither of these professions, the Banks or the MIC does anything positive for America (or the world) any more.
If you're a child murderer, then you're a child murderer.
America: Bonfire of the Depravities.
I don't like the drone program as it is being run. But Haas sounds like a disgruntled employee. Are there any other sources?
Wow, look at the down votes. Are there no critical thinkers anymore? Everyone willing to buy in to the latest low quality reporting. Okey dokey.
Killing people causes widespread drug abuse? Holy shit. Alert the media. I need to tell everyone about the potential drug problems the Vietnam war will create!
Since they are FORMER drone operators, sounds like sour grapes.
The operators don't make the decisions to fire, so this article is just a bunch of noise.
As for being stoned? Here's a clip from Heavy Metal https://youtu.be/g2BmBlehFHk
That excuse didn't cut it in Nuremburg, but it does go a long way to explaining the operators' desire for 'impairment'.
Yes, Israeli hasbara uncle-fucker,
you see this like an office problem-a disgruntled former employee stealing pens because his employer didn't let him take holiday.
It is not even near that- this is about stoned losers pretending to be heroes and killing kids.
Let's just hope you and your faggot brethren never have to face Hezbollah again- as real soldiers are clearly too much for you
Yes, Israeli hasbara uncle-fucker,
you see this like an office problem-a disgruntled former employee stealing pens because his employer didn't let him take holiday.
It is not even near that- this is about stoned losers pretending to be heroes and killing kids.
Let's just hope you and your faggot brethren never have to face Hezbollah again- as real soldiers are clearly too much for you
The softer the target, the bigger the pussy attacking it.
The psychopaths and sociopaths who call themselves US government will no doubt attack these turncoats from their evil cause. Should start a pool on how and when, We have plenty of examples of how the mass murdering criminal gang called US government operate.
When = soon. Odds = 100%.
Instead of betting, how about a defense fund for these brave lads?
More confidence inspirting news stories of why the US government is just so wonderful. Bottom, here we come.
ISIS, of course, is terrible, evil and brutal, because they strap on explosives and in a cowardly fashion blow up civilians in Paris. Our side, of course, is brave and patriotic, and we kill bad guys with ultra-high-tech systems that place no one in danger...other than the thousands, yes thousands of civilians, oops make that collateral damage packages, who just happen to be unlucky enough to be near one of our targets.
God bless America? Ummm...God forgive America would be a better plea.
"Double tap" is a favored tactic. Blow up a wedding party, wait a few minutes until the medics and first responders show up, then send another Hellfire missle into the crowd. Anyone who would congratulate themselves on their brilliant strategy for doing this would not hesitate to attack an MSF hospital.
Drink up, heroes.
Which is a 'terrorist' bombing strategy as well, set two bombs, with a slight delay between the two, one goes off a few minutes after the other, and wipes out the good people trying to help their fellow man!
How many drone operators do you figure there are ? What are the qualifications - gaming ?
1. Too unhealthy/fat/autistic for basic training
2. Gaming (which is a given for anyone raised recently in a western society)
I'd be doing drugs too (or worse) if I found myself having to do the dirty work of the psychpathic cabal that runs this country for a measly paycheck of few thousand dollars a month.
I'd do it for free if they let me pick my own targets.
“How can I perform in Israel when millions of Palestinians cannot attend?” asks renowned musician Roger Waters in a new video.
Who can forget the image of a rock-throwing Palestinian child and an armed Israeli Defense Force soldier facing him down with his weapon? And the rhetoric of rabbis urging “the defense” forces to bash these children to death?
Tuesday, Nov 24, 2015, on Salon:: “Amplify your voice for justice”: Roger Waters and prominent artists call for boycott of Israel in new video
“The video, released by Adalah-N.Y.: The New York Campaign for the Boycott of Israel, features influential New York City-based artists calling on other cultural workers to pledge their support for the boycott of Israel, in protest of the country’s illegal 48-year occupation of the Palestinian territories and constant human rights abuses against indigenous Palestinians.
“How can I play in Israel knowing that the government will use my show to whitewash its crimes?” inquires musician Kyp Malone, of the band TV on the Radio…”
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/24/amplify_your_voice_for_justice_roger_waters_and_prominent_artists_call_for_boycott_of_israel_in_new_video/
3,2,1 Crickets...
You know who is in control when all who criticize are silenced.
They would do well not to play in the US then...
Absolutely right on! MsCreant. But it’s excessive to play in Tel Aviv.
Happy Thanksgiving, from a consistent admirer,
J.R.
You have to give the Palestinians some credit. They have been butchered, starved, raped, put in cages and even flooded with raw sewage..... and yet they still throw rocks.
Those people may just be unconquerable, at least in spirit. The Irish are impressed...lol
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
There's a man answering....and he keeps hanging up!
This will be all over mainstream media for weeks, right?
War crimes trials for the lot of them. It sounds like many are trying to drown their humanity anyway. Virtually everyone in the government needs to be locked in chains.
"who came forth to decry the barbaric and likely illegal nature" Likely?? (LOL)
Are Drone killings any different than say the massacre of Fallujah or My Lai by military soldiers? Killing is killing Mike. If you are attacked and have to kill, that's one thing. But it's entirely different if your the attacker then say you are defending yourself from those your attacking trying to defend themselves? That is what the USA has been saying these last 66 years of my lifetime.
Whistleblower eh, looks like Snowdons got some company coming.
"Ender's Game" isn't quite so clean and heroic in real life.
It wasn't in the book either. When Ender found out it was for real he had a breakdown, dropped out and became "Speaker for the Dead." The author said he only wrote Ender's Game so he write the later books in the series.