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Guest Post: Why Is The US Hanging Turkey Out To Dry?
Authored by Andrew Korybko via OrientalReview.com,
Turkey’s shooting down of the Russian anti-ISIL aircraft was an unprecedentedly direct aggression against Moscow that trumps even the tense and hostile militarism of the Old Cold War era. The world stands on edge in the immediate aftermath of this attack, with tabloid-esque commentators warning that the beginning of World War III awaits. President Putin, for his part, has been much more measured in responding to the incident, but still couldn’t contain his shock at having received this “stab in the back delivered by accomplices of the terrorists.”
The question now comes down to how Russia will respond to what happened, but perhaps even more important for observers to ponder is why the US is unofficially distancing itself from its ally’s aggression. Despite both NATO and Obama giving full backing to Turkey’s fateful decision, Reuters has quoted an anonymous American military official that purposely leaked that the Russian plane was downed while over Syrian airspace, basing the assessment on heat signature detection. This raises questions about why the US is playing both sides of the fence – on one hand, publicly supporting Turkey, while on the other, strategically releasing information that conflicts with Turkey’s official depiction of events.
The Setup:
This dichotomy is suggestive of a Machiavellian plan whereby the US manipulates both Turkey and Russia into behaving according to what it has already forecast as their most likely responses, knowing full well that these could be guided into supporting grander American strategic interests. For starters, the US likely intimated to Erdogan that not only does he have the ‘legal’ right to shoot down any Russian aircraft he chooses, but that the US would actually prefer for him to take this course of action sooner than later. This is reminiscently similar to how the US put Sakkashvili up to bombing Tskhinval and invading South Ossetia – it may not have directly issued an official, on-paper order for this to occur, but it left no ambiguity as to how it wanted its proxy to act in each situation.
According To Plan:
For the most part, this explains the public pronouncements of NATO and the US’ support for Turkey’s actions, and it also goes a long way in soothing Erdogan’s nerves and reassuring him that he did the right thing. The predicted aftereffect of the plane’s downing was an immediate deterioration of Russian-Turkish relations, with the full consequences potentially affecting the diplomatic, military, economic, and energy spheres. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov cancelled his upcoming trip to Turkey and advised Russian tourists to refrain from visiting the country due to the terrorism level being similar to Egypt’s. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has spoken about the possibility of barring Turkish companies from the Russian market and cancelling planned nuclear and gas projects with the country.
All of these prospective actions are fully justifiable and grounded in the self-respect that Russia feels in not aiding what has proven itself to be a militantly hostile state no matter the economic stakes involved, but at the same time, one can’t help but wonder whether this is exactly what the US wanted. There’s no doubt that Russia would react this way, as even a cursory glance of its potential ‘response toolkit’ indicates that these are the most likely to be taken amidst any deterioration of relations. Therefore, it can’t be discounted that the US put Erdogan up to shooting down the Russian jet precisely to provoke the predictable Russian response in threatening to cancel its forthcoming energy projects with Turkey, the core of the strategic partnership between the two. If this is the case, and it certainly seems likely, then it shows exactly how far the US is willing to go to make sure that Russian energy (and subsequently, all of the soft power and multipolar advantages that come with it) doesn’t enter the Balkans through the Turkish Stream megaproject, likely because it understands the transformative impact that this would eventually have on the entire region.
The Curveball:
Thus far, everything seems reasonable and well within the realm of predictability, but the curveball comes with the Reuters revelation that an unnamed American military source is essentially saying that the Russian position is justified. Unexpectedly, it now seems as though the US is also playing to Russia’s side to an extent, and this raises questions about what it really wants. After all, it’s been proven beyond any doubt that American-supplied TOW anti-tank missiles were used to down the Russian rescue helicopter that attempted to retrieve the two pilots. With this indisputable evidence of indirect American aggression against Russia, it certainly is a curious fact that the US establishment would purposely leak a statement saying that the Turkey downed the Russian plane in Syrian airspace, and basically take Russia’s side on this behind the scenes.
Playing The Kurdish Card:
Explaining this diplomatic twist requires knowledge about the popular response that Russian citizens and global supporters worldwide are requesting to Turkey’s aggression. They quite reasonably propose that Russia intensify its arms shipments to anti-ISIL Kurdish fighters, with the wink-and-a-nod approval that some of them would be siphoned off to the PKK and be used against the Turkish military. This is an effective and pragmatic plan, and in reality, it actually doesn’t even require a policy shift from Moscow because support is already being rendered to some Kurdish groups as part of their joint cooperation in the anti-ISIL struggle. The Kurdish Insurgency hasn’t gone away since Erdogan unwittingly unearthed it this summer as an electioneering tool, and the fact that it’s still going strong even after the elections has scared him so much that he might have been the one who ordered the recent assassination attempt against pro-Kurdish HDP co-chairman Selahattin Demirtas. Thus, if Russia chooses to inflict an asymmetrical response to Turkey by beefing up its indirect support for the PKK and other Turkish-based anti-government Kurds or disrupting Blue Stream gas supplies in order to provoke an intensified rebellion, then it could certainly inflict a heavy amount of strategic damage to Erdogan and increase the likelihood either of a military coup in Turkey (explained more in detail as part of a different article accessible here) and/or the creation of an independent Kurdistan.
That being said, the US has traditionally been the out-of-regional power that has the greatest interest in Kurdistan, seeing the possible state as a ‘geopolitical Israel’ from which it can simultaneously exert influence on the rump portions of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. The strategic trajectory of a theorized Kurdish state has been complicated by the anti-ISIL campaign, however, since many Kurds have shown themselves to be pragmatic in cooperating with Russia and Iran against this shared threat. The positive multipolar cooperation that each of these countries has engaged in with the Kurds challenges the US’ planned hegemony over them and their territory, and it thus means that any forthcoming independent Kurdish political entity could theoretically go either towards the multipolar or the unipolar camps. At this point in time, and given all of the dynamic military and diplomatic developments of the past couple of months, the loyalty of a future Kurdish state (no matter if its boundaries are confined only to present-day Turkey and/or Iraq) is totally up for grabs, and it’s impossible to accurately forecast which way it will go.
Kurdish women’ ‘Peshmerga’ batallions cause horror among ISIS gangs in Syria.
The strategic ambiguity that this entails means a few things to the US and Russia. For the US, it indicates that the time is now for it to bunker down and support Kurdistan’s independence before it loses the strategic initiative to Russia, which might be moving in this direction (whether formally or informally) out of grand geopolitical spite for Turkey. Moscow, as was just mentioned, seems inclined to hit Ankara where it hurts most, and that’s through supporting the Kurdish Insurgency in one way or another. However, it’s not yet known how far this would go, and whether Russia would pursue this strategy as a form of short-term vengeance or if it would resolutely go as far in recognizing Kurdish Independence if it could ever be de-facto actualized. Of course, Russia wouldn’t do anything that could endanger the territorial integrity of its Syrian, Iraqi, and Iranian allies, but if the Turkish-based Kurds contained their ambitions solely within the borders of Russia’s historical rival, then it might be able to rectify itself with this reality, especially if they even refrain from legal independence and instead seek a sort of broadly de-facto independent federative or autonomous status within a unified Turkey (which could only realistically be brought about by an intensified insurgency and/or a coup in Ankara).
Joining Hands For Kurdistan:
Having explained all of this, it’s now clear that a remarkable convergence of strategic interests has developed between the US and Russia focusing on Turkish-administered Kurdistan. Understanding the changing calculations that Russia may now be having towards this topic as a response to Turkey’s aggression against it, one can’t necessarily preclude the possibility that the Reuters leak was actually a strategic overture to Russia. Washington might be sending a signal that it wants to speak to Moscow about ways to cooperate in this regard, knowing that each of them possibly have an interest now in seeing the proto-state rise to the fore of the global arena. A shared understanding has likely developed by now that a New Cold War competition for Kurdistan’s loyalty could be fought after the entity is legally formalized (whether as an independent state or a de-facto independent sub-state entity modeled off of the Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq), and that the two Great Powers need to put aside some of their differences in joining hands to see this happen first.
Such a strong signal could have been discretely and secretly communicated to Russia via secure diplomatic and intelligence channels, but the reason it was so publicly broadcast via Reuters, the global newswire service, is because the US also wants to send a signal to Turkey as well. Despite taking its side on the matter before the global eye, the US is also “stabbing its ally in the back”, to channel President Putin, by purposely leaking the information that the Russian jet was shot down over Syrian airspace. It’s not news that the US has been unhappy with Erdogan for not behaving more submissively in the past and refusing to blindly go along with the previous plans to invade Syria (rendered useless after Russia’s anti-terrorist military intervention there), so it might be trying to convey the message it’s had enough of his games and is now playing their own in return. Of course, the US has always been manipulating Turkey ever since it joined NATO and allowed the Americans to operate out of Incirlik airbase, but this time, the treachery is being taken to a higher level by implicitly throwing out suggestions to Russia, Turkey’s new foe (and only because the US manipulated Turkey into taking aggressive action against it), that it might want to team up in undermining Ankara’s control over its volatile southeast.
Concluding Thoughts:
It can safely be assumed that the US influenced Turkey into shooting down the Russian jet over Syrian airspace, predicting quite accurately that this would immediately lead to the deterioration of ties between the two states. An elementary forecast of the specific counter-measures that Russia may take stipulates that these will likely relate to the diplomatic, economic, and energy sectors, which is just what the US wants. Because of Turkey’s aggression against Russia, the strategic partnership between the two is now broken (although not necessarily irreversibly), and Ankara has become the fourth and perhaps most geopolitically significant member of the anti-Russian Intermarum coalition. Furthermore, Turkish Stream looks to be indefinitely put on hold, thus delaying Russia’s game-changing pivot to the Balkans. While the ‘unintended’ consequence of the crisis has been Russia’s foreseeable and absolutely legitimate decision to deploy the S-400 SAM system to Syria, this in a way also plays to the manipulated Turkish-Russian rivalry that the US wanted to produce in order to solidify the completion of the Intermarum project and simultaneously counter Russia’s growing influence in the Mideast.
The reaction that no one could have predicted, however, is the US purposely leaking comments to Reuters that support the Russian version of events, namely, that the anti-terrorist jet was shot down while flying over Syrian airspace. This completely conflicts with what the US and NATO have said in public, but it shows that the US has had enough time to game out the plane-shooting scenario well in advance, and that it’s playing a sinister divide-and-conquer game against Turkey and Russia. Put in the position where its decision makers are scrambling for responses to the unprecedented aggression against them, Russia can now more easily be led into supporting the Kurdish struggle for sovereignty (whether formally independent or de-facto so) in Turkey, which coincides with one of the US’ premier geopolitical projects.
From an American perspective, a divided Turkey is doubly useful for its grand strategic designs, as the large pro-NATO Turkish military would remain mostly intact, while the US could gain a major base for force projection (both hard and soft) right in between some of the most important states in the region. It can’t, however, go fully forward with this project unless it has the support of the diplomatic leader of the multipolar world, Russia, otherwise Kurdistan will be just as illegitimate as Kosovo is and might not even come to geopolitical fruition if Moscow and Tehran work to stop it.
Seen from the Russian standpoint, the US’ intimations actually seen quite attractive. An increase of Russian support to anti-ISIL Kurdish fighters would be a plausibly deniable but strategically obvious way to funnel weapons and equipment to anti-Turkish PKK insurgents. Weakening Turkey from within would be a strong asymmetrical response to a country that has lately been a major thorn in Moscow’s side, and it might create the conditions either for a military coup against Erdogan, a divide between him and Davutoglu (which could be used to Russia’s diplomatic advantage so long as the constitution remains unchanged and Davutoglu legally remains more powerful than Erdogan), or a weakening of Erdogan and a tempering of his anti-Russian and anti-Syrian positions.
Importantly, the emergence of an independent or semi-independent Kurdish entity in Turkey could create a tempting piece of geopolitical real estate in the New Cold War, but of course, it would then be contested between the multipolar and unipolar worlds. Still, however, it would represent a positive multipolar development in the Mideast, since under the present state of affairs, the entirety of Turkish territory is under unipolar control. If a large chunk of it suddenly became the object of competition between both blocs, then it would definitely signify a strategic advancement at the expense of unipolarity. Of equal importance, this would also significantly impact on the Turkish state and whatever government is in power by that time, and it could possibly make it more amenable to returning to the previously pragmatic relationship with Russia and perhaps even resurrecting Turkish Stream.
Therefore, Russia surprisingly has nothing to lose and everything to gain by covertly supporting the Kurdish cause in Turkey, no matter if it’s full-out independence or relatively more restrained autonomy, and even if this is objective is shared by the US and done in semi-coordination with it. Turkey would immediately be put on the defensive (although it could try desperately responding by supporting Tatar terrorists in Crimea), the multipolar world have a chance at competing for the loyalty of an ultra-strategically positioned entity, and the consequences that this has for the Turkish government (whether it remains the same or is changed via a [military] coup) could recreate the political conditions for Turkish Stream’s feasibility.
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"Why Is The US Hanging Turkey Out To Dry?"
Because it's Thanksgiving, silly.
I think Vlad is pulling the strings here. He set this up and somehow tricked Turkey into shooting down that jet, knowing that Turkey/NATO would look like total assholes on the world stage, with their lame attempt to justify it based on "being in Turkish airspace." Which seems completely ridiculous, what with the tiny slice of Turkey that they supposedly overflew, and especially with the rebels supposedly killing the pilots as they parachuted down, and then shooting down the rescue copter with a TOW.
How much of that actually happened, and how much was the work of a talented film crew? Are Hollywood the only film makers at work in the middle east?
This comes less than a week after the "thanks for the TOWs! love ISIS" video which was supposedly released by the rebels. But why would the rebels do such a colosally stupid thing? Does the U.S. regularly allow its secretly-assisted allies to post up videos loudly bragging about the weapons they're getting? Hmm.
Maybe there is a talented Russian film crew at work out there, and maybe they just succeeded in winning yet another propaganda victory for Russia.
The U.S. is trying to distance itself from Turkey because they're trying (unsuccessfully) not to get snared in Vlad's trap.
it is as though all the other countries are being kneecapped By Design!!
hugs,
the wolfowitzers
well. almost all the other countries.
If Russia withholds any energy supplies the Turkish economy will go into inflation mode and the unpopular regime will be gone to be replaced by…
Playing it safe.
Turkey is being used for chum.
Only the giblets...
< Hung out to dry for turkey jerky.
< Deep fried in peanut oil.
How do you prefer your turkey?
"This raises questions about why the US is playing both sides of the fence..."
The US Gov't ALWAYS plays both sides of the fence!
Because the US is a bad partner?
The shooting down of the Russia's SU-24 that had allegedly crossed into Turkish airspace was highly likely architected by the USSA and executed directly by CIA assets to drive a wedge between Russia and Turkey to further isolate Russia, and try to prevent any construction of natural gas pipelines from Russia via Turkey, that will eventually feed into Europe.
Due to Turkey's geo-strategic location between the Middle East, Europe, and Central Asia for gas pipelines, Turkey becomes the lynchpin for controlling the entire energy distribution network across the aforementioned regions.
Whoa! Who says this un-named military official was doing what the Kenyan guy wanted? There are a lot of them left who detest him and some even remember that their oaths were to the constitution. Not much left of it but that's what they swore to protect.
exactly. the author is jumping to conclusions and offering little evidence to back up their assertions on this point.
America is doing the right thing. Obama wants to take charge of a chaotic situation. He's playing both sides against each other. Then the USA will take the lead role. God bless America. And God bless Israel.
MDB?
Is it you?
Cuz if it ain't you, we have another just magnificent troll among us ..... or an equally magnificent drooling moron.
Because the US is the stupid goyim doing the dirtywork for the moneylender tribe.
Always ask "Cui bono"?
I wish there was a timestamp for the post at the link below, since I called it earlier.
Moscow Warns CIA, Not Turkey, Downed Russian Fighter Plane Over Syria: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1946.htm
America always fucks over their "friends".
It's only when you're their enemy that you know where you stand.
After 60 years on this spinning globe and having lived and seen from abroad, it's all a lie, American Pie, American Dream.
spinning globe ... lies ... spinning globe ... lies ...
look it up NASA lies .... NASA lies ...
I'd love to see the Turks driven out of Asia Minor back to the steppes of Central Asia where they came from. And Istanbul's name changed back to Constantinople. It's a nice piece of real estate. Strategic too.
The Washington degenerates are perfidious to the core
Because, obama.
This is an interesting analysis though. The only real action the US has apparently taken against ISIS is to support the Kurdish offensive. It seems clear that the US has some sort of plan for future Kurdistan and that ain't the same plan Turkey has. This discrepancy has gotten little attention so far. It makes sense that the US is grooming Kurdistan as a future client state in the area. The Kurds have been semi allied with Iran and Assad for a long time and neutralizing that would be a major bonus.
I don't buy the argument in this article.
The leaking of info to the media by the US general does not necessarily signify the desire of the US to undercut Turkey- it just as easily could suggest a power struggle between elite circles within the overall power structure, or it could simply be a whistleblower coming forward.
The author seems to have jumped to conclusions with their assertion regarding the intention of the leak.
Why do you assume it was a general?
Could be a Lt. Colonel or a Colonel.
If it's someone below a general then there is
a higher chance he did this for righteous reasons.
very true I misread- it just says "unnamed military official". definitely widens the pool of potential leakers.
"Pl"ucked.
Why are you so insensitive to those that have peanut allergies? The PC police will arrest and beat you!!!!
NATO is hellbent for a war with Russia.
Notice how none of the other NATO club members dare to rough up the Russians. But they needed a point man so they somehow convinced Turkey to shoot down a fighter jet. They must have promised something very sweet to the Turks. What could go wrong?
Did they mention that the FSA, ISIS, etc., would be on the ground waiting? And the cold blooded murder of a Russian pilot was part of the deal? And that their kinfolk the ethnic Turkmen would be so stupid as to boast about it on video for all the world to see?
Now the Turks realize that they have been poisoned. And they have been abandoned by their NATO friends and left to face a very angry bear all alone. The Turks had better wake up and realize that they have never been respected by NATO and are considered expendable by Western warmongers.
Lots of complex angels here, it could have just been a clusterfuck is all . Turkey is pissed Russia is fighting and winning in it's backyard, that's all. They have completely lost face as has everyone else, so the followed the jets and took a pop at one when it was close to the border, end of story. I don't think anyone had any plans for this, it was an emotional gamble.
You write as if Turkey is an single individual and that individual was flying that plane.
The F16 pilots had to had had an authorization to engage a Russian jet.
They did not make this decision in the heat of the moment.
It's hard for me to imagine that the US would deliberately create a policy that would deceive one of its allies, which could lead to the destruction of that nation as a functioning state.
Wait . . . .
oh, really? is that how it is? try flying by st. petersburg for like.... say 17 seconds and see what happens. you see, russians have not intercepted a single nato craft in their airspace in the past, well, let's many years. however, there are reports of russian bombers or fighter jets fucking with other people's airspace on daily basis, including fucking with air traffic control in sweden and putting commercial liners in direct danger of collision, etc. you got no clue in your unconditional love for putin, buddy.
I don't recall the U.S. downing Russian aircraft when the "brush" our airspace in Alaska either...
And he's not Deez Nuts. Deez Nuts wouldn't talk such bs.
WikiLeaks Alleges That Turkish Aircrafts Violated Greek Airspace Over 2,000 Times in 2014
I don't know how you trick someone into shooting down your jet. Seems like NATO made the decision here. I just think they are pissed that Russia is destroying NATO's isis friends.
"I don't know how you trick someone into shooting down your jet."
The same way Iran tricked that U.S. drone into landing in the middle of the desert a while back.
:D
What, you thought the Iranians developed GPS spoofing technology all by themselves?
Don't forget that Russia has many more assets (i.e. spies), many of whom are probably working in Turkey, and have been waiting for the right moment to help Turkey make the wrong decision.
"I just think they are pissed that Russia is destroying NATO's isis friends."
If Turkey purposely decided to shoot down the jet due to "anger", did they gain or lose by this action?
What makes you think Turkey's government is in the habit of making such stupid mistakes due to emotional outbursts?
>>»>What makes you think Turkey's government is in the habit of making such stupid mistakes due to emotional outbursts?<<<<<
Because in general Turks aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
"If Turkey purposely decided to shoot down the jet due to "anger", did they gain or lose by this action?
What makes you think Turkey's government is in the habit of making such stupid mistakes due to emotional outbursts?"
Uhhh, yeah.... I do think they would purposely decide to shoot down a Russian jet out of "anger". Russia is helping their enemy Assad. On top of which, he is bombing/killing rebel Turk groups that are fighting assad.
Killing Turks + helping their greatest enemy = "anger" = jet shot down.
Putins not dumb and neither is his people. They see what the US is attempting in not just this front but other fronts and they have made the US look like fools. He won't attack Turkey now or any allies, he's allowing them to continue to attack his planes. Eventually he will use their missile defense to shoot down a NATO plane by mistake and try to say that Turkey kept attacking their assets and your plane US or France or whatever was in the crossfire of us defending our forces.
Putin knows that Russia is the target of the US and the west and everything that is being done is to get at them. So Putin is taking the fight to our "assets" and try to derail our system in the middleeast.
As I said on the other article, I'm begining to think that shooting down the jet was aimed
at getting the S400's deployed. The west doesn't want anymore Russian surprises like
the radar jamming tech Breedlove keeps whining about.
No way this pre planned ambush was not OKed by Uncle Scam.
Deploying 400's instead of the nearly obsolete S300's may have been a mistake.
The vid of the FSA (or whatever) guy firing the tow at the helicopter did not show that it had been abondoned by its crew. What a waste of a $70,000 missile and the helicopter that could have easily been captured. Those FSA (or whatever) guys are definately not the sharpest tools in the shed.
I saw a video of a man firing a TOW.
Then, the scene cut.
And I saw a video of a helicopter exploding.
The two events may, or may not, be related.
Vlad and Obama....Hulk vs Rowdie Roddy Piper
All wars are banker wars
Because their staff is broken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFzC-72FlQ4
Because the Moslem-In-Chief has overplayed his hand. No one gives a damn anymore about the fact that he is a mulatto and have stopped their Pavlovian response a.k.a "white guilt".
The U.S. armed forces seem to have had enough and have already participated in a silent revolt when they refused to be Al Qaidas Air Force , etc.
No amount of race baiting or attempts to provoke a race conflict is going to change this. If it´s an armed conflict along race lines that the Moslem-In-Chief is pressing for...there´s a good many willing to take him up on that offer.
I am your Huckleberry...will be the new slogan .
Let´s get it on.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
From my perspective I see the military increasingly at odds with the administration over Syrian policy.
Turkeys cooked
usa gives arms to kurds....so what? Russia was already giving arms to kurds last month
giving arms to each other is like a friendly blowjob these days. big fucking deal. russians gave guns to eastern ukraine and acted like they had no clue. obama only today signed a 300 mil deal to provide ukes with arms. too little too late, but still woud be put to a good use.
we are living in proxy war type world now. russias bombed the shit out of turkish trucks today. cool. don't be surprised that tomorrow kurds will have airdefence and will start taking russians out of the skies afganistan style.
did the banksters give thanks to these arms suppliers? i'll speak for the banksters around the world, resounding THANK YOU FOR ALL THIS CONFLICT AND DESTRUCTION AND AS A SIDE NOTE JUST AIM FOR THE ACTUAL ARMS, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS IN THE END!
"and even if this is objective is shared by the US and done in semi-coordination with it."
Ah, "semi-coordination" is the new term for Chaos, eh?
Because the only interest of any interest to the Empire is self interest.
Rome was eventually destroyed, from, "within".
Kind of reminds me of when the U.S. gave Iraq the green light to invade Kuwait for drilling in Iraqi oil fields.
Was thinking the exact same thing. Double triple double cross. It's not nice to fool with Mother Empire.
The olde scorpion chasing its tail CD. Sometimes i think we on Z/H over-estimate the actual intelligence levels of these loons. They're on the same rung as any descent mafia gang but with swift & the Fedres behind them.
I suspect many in the various military, governmental, political and corporate chains of command are useful idiots....which does not imply dumb or stupid. Far from it in fact. Often the easiest people to use are those who are smart and think they will detect manipulation a mile away. Arrogance and hubris are the great equalizer.
"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled." -- Mark Twain
Agreed. For some reason or another McKinsey & Co ( whom i've mentioned several times over the years ) have Never been called out, unlike Goldman. They're way way under the radar with an office tucked away in some back road around the Globe, much like the Council for Foreign Relations.
A good auditor friend of mine who recently left KPMG said he worked inside this firm with great academic minds who could barely tie their own shoelaces. He reiterated that McKinsey get away with murder, literally.
When the SHTF and the Heavyweight Thugs skip town leaving these useful idiots as you name them to face the music not even a baying for blood jury will believe that this crew participated intentionally in the skull&bones skulduggery.
Yup. if they say 'we have no problem with that, we will support you', one can pretty much guarantee being hanged.
Only a drunk Russian journalist could stagger around the streets for hours and still accidently wind up in front of his hotel...lol.
So anyways, Turkey wants to suppress the Kurds for nationalistic territorial reasons and they're perfectly fine with ISIS not being destroyed as Assad is an enemy.
Next? ;-)
No bob & weave for you tonight nmewn ; straight for the ' everyone's got a plan until they get a punch in the face ', knockout.
Have you found religion?
Buddy roh, I never left it.
Good for you! I'm punch drunk , so dizzy that i'm beginning to understand twisted souls like Hillary ( well not that over the edge yet ) and ' what difference does it make ' outlook.
Thank God i invested 25% of that big score i made 3 years ago and can pull the covers back over the head in the morning.
they suppress the kurds because the kurds are prettier and smarter and less numerous. seen what happens to a turk after 30 years of age?
Meh, let Erdogan hang out to dry Musolinni style. He deserves his people's "adoration".
Communist buthery is more Americans style, but the Fascist will return and previal to save the West from the USSA.
Obama left Turkey out to dry for the same reason the scorpion stung the frog.
"look bitch, you knew i was a snake."
It’s a double criss-cross.
I think Russia made a deal with Turkey to shoot down one of their aeroplanes.
This justifies Russia escalating the ‘positioning of assets’.
Turkey and Iran is the Ottoman Empire and cannot be trusted.
Turkey is Muslim Central!
The Ottoman’s tricked and crushed the Prussian Empire.
Rageh Omaar traces the history of the Ottoman empire. A super-power of a million square miles, it matched the glories of Ancient Rome and collapsed less than a hundred years ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03d0jhz
Turkish women are HOT! At least the one on The Young Turks is, and the restaurant redecorator lady on Restaurant Impossible.
With the stream of consciousness to a psychiatrist please.
Nope, Turkey and Iran are on opposite ends of the Sunni-Shia divide. Also, Syria and Iran are allied with Russia. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and (sadly) the US have been supporting ISIS and the other jihadi "FSA".
exactly my feeling
Turkey got the go ahead and probably intel from the U.S.
1. To understand why Washington made Turkey to attack Russia read this article by Victoria nuland ’s husband https://twitter.com/ScottsHumor/status/669697189321572352 2. The NATO destruction of the RuAF SU-24 Fencer and Turkish murder of the Russian servicemenhttp://thesaker.is/the-nato-destruction-of-the-ruaf-su-24-fencer-and-tur...
Way too much credit given to the U.S. on this. More likely a mid level military guy got tired of the U.S. lies and just released the 'truth'. Obama and his top 'gay' generals won't go to war- but they could send a lot of brave men into a meat grinder.
Exactly, and it's not hard for those US military to envision themselves being in that Russian aircraft under similar circumstances. Beyond that I imagine many are grateful for the Russians doing the heavy lifting here. US soldiers want ISIS dead and don't give a damn about underhanded regime change and corrupt politics.
Anyone who believes ISIS is anything but a creation of the Western Elitists is a dupe.
Erdogan showing his spots has won Russia a lot of ' on the fence Euro friends ' who can see through the bullshit and strengthened the conviction of existing friends.
Barry had some explaining to do to keep the Europhiles on board and has tossed them a crumb.
Other than the diehard haters of Russia ( the Baltics ) NO European country is unhappy to engage with Russia to Stamp-Out a repetition of Paris/Belgium.
The US (and EU) elitists ALWAYS stab their patsies in the back. Look what they did to Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Bin Laden, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Timothy McVeigh.
Yikes....I upvoted you before finishing your post. Tim McV and friends pulled off their attack on a shoestring. No doubt damage was exacerbated by the storage of BATF explosives on site but I have a really bad sense about the conspiratorial angles there.
Those who say the Feds were involved are basically saying...."resistance is futile. You can never hope to attack a government facility successfully unless gov't agents are involved".
Tim McV had something to say and I heard him. I can't condone the violent act he undertook. Those he spoke for, the victims of .Gov at Waco; are long forgotten as greater travesties fall upon us. What he did made little difference outside of the lives of those lost and their loved ones.
That is the saddest part about the OK City bombing.
Timothy McVeigh was on CBS 6 times as a decorated soldier, and mysteriously washed out of his 3rd elite training school, then disappeared. Pretty classic CIA recruitment process.
The Oklahoma City Arab terror "narrative" was all set to go, and they even named the perp within hours. But then some yokel sheriff found some car parts that allowed him to ID the van, and track the rental back to doofus McVeigh, who apparently SHOULD have washed out of the CIA for this fuck up.
The narrative then became evil right wing Americans who like guns and don't like the government. They always have a (stupid) backup. Or at least they used to.
I was visiting a friend when Tim McV was being interviewed. I think it was 60 minutes. He did not strike me as being a "doofuss' or anything like. I was actually shocked as to how detached he had become from the acts he had committed while not evading responsibility at any time.
Like I said before....those who sell the conspiracy angle to this are basically saying RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
One radio guest said that McV was a Branch Davidian. To confirm his credentials, he sent a redacted letter from Bush, Sr. authorizing the elimination of Redactee X. It could have been a forgery but don't think so, the yarn he spun was real good. It is confusing when Elohim City is weaved into the tale, but I don't think it was as simple as presented by the MSM.
Just look at the names, Tim McV as in five, and his accomplice was, yup, you guessed it, Terry Nickles. Five in a nickle too. Both T-5 series terminators, someone was having a major laugh at our expense, but not surprising, they do it all the time.
Just like Ash Carter, or was that ash carter, as in hauling the ash out with a cart when he's through. Carney anyone, every real clown has one inviting you into the three ring circus.
The little pansy/patsy Obama will also get his when the time comes.
Negro patsies are so dumb.
Told you bitches that Kurdistan would be birthed. If Russia wasn't on board before, they are now. They are the only large group [almost 30 million] of somewhat rational thinkers, in the area. The other muzzies cry foul about the bad ass woman peshmerga because they think they will go to hell if they get killed by them. Long term, it weakens the Ottomans and the Persians. You just can't give 30 million folks nationalism and expect a result other than the weakening of those two.
The ultimate betrayal in all of this will be to the local old school groups whom get replaced with a fortified Kurd people. Kurds are terrorists in Turkey, for the US. They are allies and get weapons if they live in Syria or Iraq, Anatollia will explode next.
Agreed mm when you have just cause behind you it's like fighting on crack like the USSofA drone operators but with a clear vision of what your future holds.
There’s a lot of possibilities in this piece, but the idea that the US has this all planned out is a bridge too far for me. There’s no way Syria (or Libya for that matter) is going according to plan. This administration is in way over their head.
There’s a far more reasonable explanation for military leaks supporting the Russian case. It’s simple whistleblowing. Much of the military has no love and no faith in their highest levels of leadership. They’re uniquely qualified to know (but not tell) when the US is lying. Since the cold war there have been joint US-Russian operations. Many soldiers have met Russians and no longer view them simply as the commie enemy. They have far more in common with Russian soldiers than they do the jihadists. Considering the bullshit nature of that Turkish attack they’re likely to be sympathetic to the dead Russian pilot. I am.
The Russians are actually hitting ISIS and not just playing games. In that I wish them good fortune. I also have no doubt the Kurds will find them a better and more dependable ally.
Turkey is going according to plan. So far.
america is a gutles cunthole nation of backstabers
The "United States" is a monstrosoty. America is ok.
Good gravy man, talk about your overthinking. All that strategic talk might be valid, but to imagine it was going through the mind of anyone in the Obamanation regime is silly. Obama's move #2 is throwing people, places, and things "under the bus". What comes next, whatever.
Hanlon's Razor - Never attritube to malice that which can be adequately explanined by stupidity.
Why can't it be both?
i think the final condition was "...but don't rule out malice"
Like most cliches, that one is overused and abused. There is much malice in the world that is falsely attributed to stupidity. The entire U.S. government, as an example.
Not going to dispute your contribution gladius17, however the US Government is just a Puppet Player. For example Barry was not even allowed to choose his Defense Secretary ( Robert Gates ) or his Treasury Secretary ( Timothy Geithner ), the 2 most important posts in Government.
The Shadow Government , MIC and Fed Res ( Goldman ) chose for him.
Congress are as Sheepish as the rest of us; filled with good intention on arrival and told where to sit in reality from day one.
You will never be allowed to focus on who directly pulls the strings. The Rothschild for sure sits at the head of the Devils Table. Soros a disciple will pick up the phone to alert Jack Lew of his boss's fancy.
If he Russians were going to respond massively they would have done so....by not doing anything it makes it clear that Turkey indiectly murdered a Russian pilot and Marine as a consequence of shooting down the Russian jet. Points to Turkey being the rougue nation and sponsor of ISIL
Publicly distancing yourself from the act of your henchman is the usual m.o. for mafia types, isn't it?
This is just an attempt at plausible deniability. A lame one. Pretty standard for the US Government and its owners to employ surrogates, who they then throw under the bus.
Your local police usually hide somewhere behind a bush or a rise in the road where everyone goes at least 10-20mph over the speed limit. Imagine one day they catch you in their speed trap. As you pull over and start to get your DL out the officer walks up to your window and suddenly unloads his berreta into the back of your head.
This was a set up. The Turks had their media their. They had the Turkmen acting as Combat Controllers. They had the F16s loitering around the corner, properly armed. This was planned WITH the approval of the US as the US cannot have the world binding togehter to stop their CIA ISIS machine.
These fucks in the Middle east have all been tribesman forever, even when under the 'rule' of an empire....silly to think they would fit into nation states....
I don't know what to believe, but rays of sunshine kind of point in the direction of the kurds as people who are worth supporting. Those chicks wouldn't have been gunned down by a fat cop like they do here in the USSA. Any reason not to like the Kurds?
Those "chicks" also have more balls than any US fat-fuck cop.
The kurds are ethnic iranians, so it's a balancing act for US to support them and stay on side with their arab allies. Just thought I would throw that into the pot as we don't want things to be too straightforward lol
I seem to recall Cheimical Ali genociding kurds for Saddam.
Wow, what a relatively complex and confusing set of plans, actions and agendas to explain something that might be much simpler. How simple?
Well, consider this. What if the justification of Turkey, USSA and NATO is the following:
If any [military] asset of any nation enters into any other nation without permission, that nation is justified in destroying that asset and killing anyone in the asset.
Well, duh! That means all Russian and Iranian assets in Syria are perfectly okay, because they were invited, requested or welcomed into Syria by the Syrian government.
Which leaves every [military] asset of the USSA and NATO that enters into Syria without permission 100% fair game for Syrian, Russian, Iranian military to destroy.
And any objection from the USSA or NATO when Syria or Russia or Iran destroys their military assets would be... to simply play back a recording of the USSA or NATO cretins saying "nations should destroy [military] assets in their territory... even if only 1km and only for 17 seconds".
In other words, if they stick with their current nominal position, they just gave explicit permission for all their assets to be destroyed when in Syria. ALL OF THEM.
Someone in the MIC must have realized that, and this backchannel statement is intended to move the conversation away from the huge stinking pile of dung they already stuck their foot into.
Or... maybe my observation is too simple and direct, and the predators-that-be in the USSA and NATO have more complex and diabolical scams up their sleeves. But maybe not. Sometimes simple is simple.
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one possibility
The US is not playing both sides of the fence with Turkey on one side and Russia on the other.
The US is playing both sides of the fence with good Turkey on one side and duplicitous Turkey on the other side.
In a day or two, if the dead pilot's body is not returned to Latakia (or if it is returned mutilated), the moderate rebels may be in for a disassembly and cleaning.
That seemed to me a large amount of speculation hung on small facts.
Putin was blowing up their trucks and trucks used to transport the crude that is their way to wealth, Erdoan and son. Is that not plenty of motive for blowign a Russian bomber out of the air?
Would that not be enough reason for the US to do exactly that nuanced response? Especially a US suddenly having to distance itself from ISIS?
Didn't seem so mysterious to me, somehow. Erdogan is like every ruler, he would like to rule forever with ever more power and expand his domain and pass it along to his son. So he won't get all of that, but he would take opportunities. ISIS is, first and foremost, a way of fighting the Kurds and getting wealthy.
Didn't we hear that ISIS was trucking the oil to the Kurds who were selling it to Israel? Two routes? The Kurds do have some oil under their control?
And what makes him think we are suddenly supporting the Kurds and have stopped supporting ISIS? It would be a larger betrayal of Saudi Arabia and our own Neocons here in the US and also of Israel. I don't think they are ready to do that, what objective evidence is there that we have stopped supporting ISIS and Turkey? Or stared supporting the Kurds? Israel supports the Kurds more than we do, puely commercial and keep everything up in the air.
As I pointed out in an earlier post, Turkish “Sultan” Recep Tayyip Erdogan is a meglomaniac, whose arrogance is only exceeded by his stupidity and dishonesty; characteristics not uncommon to Turkish (and other) politicians. Erdogan needs to carefully study recent history; once he becomes a liability (read potential war with Russia/China/Iran), he will be rapidly cast aside. Recent examples of the fate of former US “assets” include- 1) 1989 US Invasion of Panama, Operation “Just Cause” to overthrow Manuel Noriega; 2) Bush II 2003 invasion/occupation of Iraq and overthrow of (former US asset) Saddam Hussein; 3) 2011 US/NATO war on Libya and overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi, 4) 2011 “Arab Spring” in Egypt (aka Jan 25 Revolution; Arabic: ???? 25 ?????; Thawret 25 yan?yir), resulting in the overthrow of long time US/Israeli stooge, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Bottom line, once Sultan Erdogan’s usefulness for advancing US geopolitical goals expires, he will likely meet the same fate as his predecessors.
Ibecause those dumb cunts in DC read social media too and they know the world is waking up.
Praise the Lord:
http://southfront.org/10461/
I don't see the sinister chess game here. All I see is a reckless Turkey escalating an already tense situation, perhaps to cover their own problems at home. That being said, I do agree that US policy, such as it is, benefits from poor relations between Russia and Turkey. If you want to get Russia out of Syria, or at least make their stay less comfortable, the Turks would be useful front line patsies to take the heat. Russia would also end up depleting a lot of military and economic resources in any heavy engagement with Turkey. Perhaps after awhile they would say to hell with this and leave. That's a big perhaps because I think it's clear that Putin considers Syria a very valuable road block. If Russia cuts off Turkey's gas supply, Turkey may have no other option but to attack Syria in a full out ground offensive.
Not that yet another bad US policy decision would be surprising, but to ramp up Russian-Turkish hostilities would almost certainly serve to further destabilize the region, and in this case into a relatively stable US "ally". The Turks have problems with the huge independence-seeking Kurdish population living in the eastern portion of their country. The Kurds have good relations with Russia and would gladly accept foreign support, something the US has promised but failed to deliver. This incident is almost certain to spread the multi-party conflict into Turkey, which had until now been a relatively safe haven.
On top of potential Russian sponsoring of insurgency, Turkey is very economically vulnerable and energy dependent. Turkmen in Syria are likely to get hammered (even worse) by the Russians, and any Turkish operation in Syria has a big target on its back now. Turkey’s action was just plain dumb, and they’ve exposed their true allegiance.
Something very wrong about the whole rescue helicopter incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OpCCBplWbQ
Why is it shut down on the hillside, the blades aren't turning, and not even a single rifle crack heard. The same guys were unleashing hell on parachutes way beyond small arms range. But not a peep on a parked helicopter. Who in their right mind would land a SAR Helicopter and proceed on foot to search, as some of the news eludes to?
Long history of conflict between Turks, Ottomans and Prussians, Russians. From the Great Turkish War to the Crimean/Eastern War.
If US is playing a double game with you, it surely does not mean good to you.
US is implementing a policy of "it is rght and good to fight Russia" we will back you up.
Ukraine was sacrificed, now Turkey and both of them are losing and think they have won something.
I wish South Stream is restarted. Maybe Russia should come with some offer Bulgaria can't refuse.
Or just buy the politicians, they are out there for sale, at least this time Bulgaria will benefit.
This is not a complex policy decision, this is revolt in the ranks. You think 10-20 year veterans who've devoted their lives to killing Islamic extremist scumfucks just turn around and happily start offloading TOWs to the same dumb fuck medievalists? Think again. I'm surprised the Neocon policies aren't getting MORE opposition.
Eventually we'll have a coup d'etat and achieve full banana republic status. By then the country will have fallen so far, most of us will welcome it.
Well it is a bullet dodge by Russia for the Energy projects with Turkey.
If Turkey would do this, then you don't want them anywhere near your energy pipelines/assets.
Turkey does have the second largest standing army in NATO at 495k men. Second only to the US. If the Turks launched a rapid major coordinated air/ground invasion into Syria, in combination with FSA elements, Putin's modest forces would have their hands full, and would likely be overwhelmed. That would open up the southern pipeline access and make Russian gas a moot issue.
in the time it would take turkey to move its troops across the border, the Russians would have 4 divisions in Syria. The modernisation of the Russian army has led them to being the fastest to deploy airborne and ground troops unlike the slow lumbering giant that is uncle Sam. All the while Turkey would have no air superiority and their bases would be shot out by long range missiles. Turkey alone would be toast, problem would be the USA stepping in to save face/NATO and at that point you are talking about a nuclear stand off.
Turkey has 858 aircraft and helicopters in service vs. the 50 Russia has in Syria. Russia's air defense assets on the ground in Syria are at risk from FSA ground attack which could come from either TOW missles, mortar or artillery. I'm not saying it would be a cake walk for Turkey, only that it would require a very rapid and heavy commitment of Russian forces to even have a chance of holding that ground.
And to your point Van, the Turkish people have no taste for war. Any such war might insure Erdogan's ouster.
I have an alternate view. I believe Turkey went rogue in an attempt to disrupt West-Russian alliance to eliminate ISIS. I also believe #NATO was caught off-guard by action, even though publicly they stand behind Turkey. NATO now has a problem of a rogue nation that is aggressively provoking Russia. Although NATO would like nothing better that to take on Russia, they would want to do it when public opinion is on their side. Erdogan have just put them on the back foot, if public reaction is anything to go by. NATO will have to attempt to muzzle Turkey or face further negative shift in public opinion, especially with more evidence of Turkey's alignment with ISIS surfacing.
Russia will play is cool but firm. They have public opinion on their side and they will maximise it. I fully expect Russia to increase its attacks on ISIS supply lines as well as the Turkmen jihadists, at the same time, keeping jets out of Turkish airspace. They will tempt Turkey to cross the border into Syria and at that point, they will exact their revenge.
As for US and NATO, if Turkey continues to provoke Russia in Syria, it is likely that they will announce that any aggressive action by a NATO member without consent from NATO will not have NATO support and will be left out of defence pact if attacked because of said action. At the same time, NATO might use any evidence of Turkey collusion with ISIS to control Turkey on pain of expulsion from NATO. I can imagine the sour taste in the mouth of the French people when they realise that they are allied indirectly with ISIS thru Turkey, and that their govt condoned it.
Tuesday .... Russian plane knocked down ... Cameron applauds the action ... well, it may have been violating Turkish airspace.
Wednesday ... Cameron demands that Brit planes be sent to violate Syrian' airspace.
Lesson ... it simply isn't rape when WE do it.
Oh, and Cameron is a twat.
Perfect timing BB... I read your post and then immediately heard Cameron on National Public Radio here in the US. He sounds like a complete F-head. His stated rationale for wanting to send Brit aircraft was complete BS.
That would be a clever plot. It could also be that Turkey wanted to sabotage that countries like France are cuddling up to Russia in order to bomb ISIS together. Turkey also not happy that Russia is bombing ISIS olietrucks to pieces. Erdogan's family highly involved in that.
But this author's idea of a US plot could also be possible.
Turkish Stream is dead. South Stream back on the table but that will provoke US meddling in the Balkans.
What I fear is that the big boys one day are going to get really tired of the complexities and simply drop some well positioned atomic bombs and then agree to divide what's left.
Blah blah blah...much too much speculation. Erdogan is a gangster being run by the Washing town gangsters who are watching one of their scams go up in smoke. The Thugocracy in Washing town is desperate as Zippy BrZZZZinsky's chessboard is taken over by master chess player Vladimir. Russia of course will not take the bait because they KNOW the Turkish people are no more behind their Al CIAduh Langley owned regime in Ankara anymore than the unwashed Mercan masses give a shit about their Anglozionazi owners in the sewer of DC.
Watch as Russia incinerates the next terrorist incursion into sovereign Syria by the apartheid NAZIS in occupied Palestine when a Zionazi pilot tries to add more fuel to the Syrian fire.
Makes perfect sense for the morons in Washing town that blew up Iraq after Al CIAduh Saudi Mercan camel herders supposedly blew up USSA on 9 11. Never a dull moment before the BANG.
Onward to the new and imporoved "new world order" indeed.
Great port, right on the mark.
This piece attributes a great of deep thinking to the Obama administration without any consideration given to the much more likely reality that the morons at the White House, Pentagon and Foggy Bottom are all simply working at cross purposes.
Occam's razor and all that.
This piece attributes a great of deep thinking to the Obama administration without any consideration given to the much more likely reality that the morons at the White House, Pentagon and Foggy Bottom are all simply working at cross purposes.
Occam's razor and all that.
Never post before the caffeine hits.
That's OK. Your post was worth it.
Obama is still playing checkers while Putin is playing chess. This is about Putin cutting off Erdogan's war profiteering business.
Turkey should have just apologized the minute the US said it was a Turkey-Russia issue. No matter who is playing who, at that point, Turkey should have realized they were an expendable game piece. If they were smart, they would have apologized straight away. But when NATO is publicly walking away from Turkey, there is no good outcome for Turkey. To keep hammering away, with a treacherous ally like Obama on your side, is not a good idea. There is nothing worse than having Obama as a friend or associate. Obama has no political skills. He muddles, confuses, and overly complicates every little thing until he defeats himself. I cannot believe Obama is still in office at this point, or that the US is allowed in any geopolitical groups like NATO, or the G10 as long as he is in office.
us is nato, turkey is nato, france is nato.. any obama "distancing" is a canard. the cotopus has many arms and one arm cannot disclaim another
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Well clearly MOSSAD has placed sleeper Androids in every government to facilitate the rise of the Zionist regime that will morph into a full-blown and open to world-view Jewish cabal.
Sometimes the obvious answer is the right one. Trigger happy (or bad automated settings) ADA shot down Russian jet.
So...people/Vlady are butthurt that one of their planes got shot down, and a pilot was used for target practice. Nice deflection from Russia shooting down the airliner over ML17.
You jumped on the Maidan to the wrong conclusion.
Because obama is leaving everybody out to dry...
It is time for the brothers and sisters who elected our great brother Obama bin Ladin to do the victory dance.
Oh yes, because we would rather the insane McShame, or the religious nut job Mitt Romney...The president has no power, he is just a figure head, come on...
The US is hanging Turkey out to dry because if they supported Turkey in this illegal act (to be proven) a serious escalation would occur between two nuclear powers.
I am not sure the Atlantic elites are ready to be incinerated along with the rest of us.
who wants to bet turkish chemical factories begin to spontaneously explode in the coming days
Let me fix this
Turkey says Mea Culpa ..everybody friends again
http://debka.com/newsupdatepopup/13858/Turkey-capitulates-military-says-it-didn-t-know-warplane-was-Russian-
Turkey capitulates: military says it didn't know warplane was Russian
DEBKAfile November 26, 2015, 9:50 AM (IDT)
In a statement released Wednesday night, the Turkish air force said its air traffic control for the area where a Russian Su-24 was downed on Tuesday did not identify the warplane and thus ordered a pair of Turkish F-16s to shoot it down. The announcement completed Ankara's capitulation that also included a long apology and expression of condolences earlier in the day by Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu to his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov.
In comments to reporters after speaking with Cavusoglu, Lavrov said, "We do not plan to go to war with Turkey, our attitude toward the Turkish people has not changed."
Correct, that is what happened.
Not the right time to mess with Russia's land bridge to the ME
Can't help but wonder if Obama also punked Turkey and Putin
Perhaps this is more complicated or devious than assumed
I think Obama wants escalation to destabilize that area
Some one will fill in the void. Him.
Thus setting up a unified front to destroy Israel and become the champion of the Islamic world
Obama is a Muslim you know, he hates Israel and is not their puppet.
But you guys haven't quite figured that out yet
You will be happy for a little while, under the spell of the evil one.