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Turkey Releases Alleged Recording Of Warning To Russian Pilot
Earlier today, Russia announced that special forces were indeed able to rescue one of the two pilots that ejected from the Su-24 shot down by Turkish F-16s near the Syrian border on Tuesday.
In the 36 or so hours since the incident, both Moscow and Ankara have been busy trying to “prove” their respective sides of the story. Turkey swears the Russian warplane was warned as many as 10 times on the approach and was only engaged once it entered Turkish airspace. Russia says the pilots knew the area “like the back of their hands” and that Ankara shot the plane down in the skies above Syria.
Here’s what rescued co-pilot Konstantin Murahtin had to say earlier today:
"There were no warnings. Not via the radio, not visually. There was no contact whatsoever. That's why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand what the cruising speed of a bomber is compared to an F-16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by heading on a parallel course. But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn't even see it in time to take evasive maneuvres."
Now, a recording of Turkey warning the Russian Su-24 has surfaced apparently courtesy of a civilian pilot from a Lebanese airline (who we imagine may get some questions from Hezbollah in the near future). Here’s The Telegraph’s summary:
An audio recording has emerged purporting to be the recording of Turkey warning the Russian plane.
The voice is heard saying in English: “Unknown air traffic position onto Humeymim 020, redirect to 26 miles. This is Turkish Air Force speaking - en guard. You are approaching Turkish airspace. Change your heading south immediately."
Earlier today, the surviving pilot claimed that he had not received any visual or radio warning from Turkey - contradicting Turkey's claim that they warned them numerous times.
The recording was passed on to TV news channel Al-Arabiya by a civilian pilot for Lebanese airline MEA in the sky at the time.
He claimed that this event had happened multiple times in the last week, with each warning met with silence from Russia. This clam is not verified.
And here's the audio:
From Al-Arabiya (you can listen to their recording here):
A civilian pilot who was in the sky when the Turkish military issued a warning to, and ultimately shot down, a Russian fighter jet has provided Al Arabiya News with a recording that proves the Turkish authorities issued several warnings to the plane.
The pilot, who was flying a Middle East Airlines (MEA) flight from Beirut’s Rafic Hariri International Airport to a Gulf country at approximately 9:00 a.m. (local Lebanese time) yesterday also verified the authenticity of a similar recording which was uploaded on the information sharing website LiveLeak which many international media outlets have carried.
“I confirm the authenticity of their recording, I heard these exact same warnings over and over again and the part I recorded on my phone was actually towards the end when I felt the matter was getting serious,” the Lebanese aviator told Al Arabiya News on the condition of anonymity.
Later on Wedensday, the Turkish army officially released similar recordings.
So draw your own conclusions. Is this concrete proof that the Russian pilots were warned, or does this soundbite come courtesy of the audio/visual wizards at Al Hayat Media Center? We'll close with another quote from Konstantin Murahtin:
"I'm going to ask our command to keep me on this base — I have a debt to repay, for my commander."
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l'll bet that the recordings will be closely scrutinized and analysed, especially since they've been released via unoffical channels.
BTW, notice how it took only 2 days for the Turks to release pilot recordings, yet almost 1.5 years later after the MH17 shootdown, the Dutch/English/Ukrainians/USSA have yet to release the Malaysian Airlines blackbox recordings, pilot recordings and control tower recordings? This particular false flag must be going badly for Erdogan.
I think the Russians crossed over into Turkey for less than 30 seconds. I think the Turks shot them down because of it. I expect the Russians to return the favor, as no-one is perfect -- not even the Turkish Airforce.
So, where are all the other pilots (or amatuer radio operators) who were in the area who also had to have heard the same thing? Just this one guy (with a cell phone recording)?
It is clear to me that if Turkey really wanted to communicate with Russia, they would be able to do that. There were a lot of ways to resolve this without shooting down aircraft. So, this ACTION speaks for itself and will now change the decision calculus of Russia, particularly on the Turkish border.
This is an escalation, but Russian response isn't really clear (yet). It might be that whatever it is in Syria that Turkey wants to protect may be feeling a little heat pretty soon.
Regards,
Cooter
so that area isn't a "no-fly zone" to commercial or civilian air traffic? Seems pretty damn brave to fly around there in anything other than a fighter jet.
"This clam is not verified!!!"
That's up there with "shitgum" as far as ZH typos go. I hate unverified clams.
Clam is verified? Not verified. Beard on clam verified? Verified.
FOX News Turkey!!... 'nuff said
While we were all discussing this incident, Israel was launching a bombing raid on Syria, killing five soldiers. How come they seem to be able to do this with total impunity?
http://www.timesofisrael.com/report-israel-strikes-hezbollah-positions-i...
How is this possible if Syria is a no-fly zone?
yep, huge e coli risk
Clam down you shitgum!
These are warnings that the Russian plane is approaching Turkish air space. They are NOT warnings that the Russian pilot ever actually ENTERED Turkish air space.
Well, Putin was tested and he backed down. There is no official response from Russia. Just mumbling that it was not fare.
As I said many times, Putin is POS.
Oh, so you would prefer it if Putin chooses to act in line with American foreign policy instead?
Because if he did do that, there would be a retalliation in kind that would result with you being atomized in a matter of seconds.
I don't think you understand. Putin and his "wimpy" (more like calculated) responses are the only thing keeping 70% of the world's landmass from being leveled flat in a matter of seconds. Putin realizes this and is acting accordingly.
You are just very used to eating shit, that don't know what diplomacy, prudence and having a three digit IQ tastes like. So for you the best thing would be to sigh out shit and everyone to continue eating and giving shit. Great let's all eat shit and give shit all day long!!!
Uh, usually there's an ADIZ requiring aircraft to identify themselves, as civilian aircraft do. An unidentified military aircraft entering your country is grounds for getting shot down.
Nowhere in this article is there any proof that the Russian plane actually entered Turkish airspace. Only a recording of APPROACHING Turkish airspace. Or is that too difficult for you to differentiate between?
Let's cut the bullshit, the sovereign airspace of each party matches exactly the boundary on ground. The is no buffer, so any aircraft (including insect sized spy drones) crossing the boundary will necessarily simultaneously be in both Syrian and Turkish airspace.
The Turks knew this was a Russian plane, and that it was not going to attack Turkey (the Russians would have sent a whole lot more than two aircraft). Turkey chose to shoot down the military aircraft of a nuclear super power.
"It is clear to me that if Turkey really wanted to communicate with Russia, they would be able to do that."
A direct phone line was established between Russian and Turkish military. But turks didn't want to cooperate for some reasons.
Exactly! Cell phone recording. Authorities aren't recording air traffic communications in a war zone with commercial aircraft flying around.
This is a flying hot zone, many eye's.
Stinks
Wow -- how convenient. A cell phone no less. That's right insanelysane, it's insane to think that no time-stamped recording exists of this. I'm sure Uncle Slam has a 3-D holodeck recreation of the incident available. Or we can believe that Uncle Spam never records stuff in a war zone. ( why are we not hearing more about the pilots that were murdered by McCain's buddies?)
Lavrov said they had operational "hot line" with Turkey exactly for such cases but the Turkish side never used it. Either before or after the Su was shot down.
Lets go back to the facts. the F-16 is an air superiority fighter. The SU-24 of USS Donald Cook fame is a Bomber. Their loafing or crusing speeds are far different. The surviving pilot said something that made sense and is incontroverible. In essence he said the F-16 was far faster, AND had they wished to warn them all the had to do is SHOW THEMSELVES and Pull Ahead. NORAD said they do NOT shoot and ask whom later. Now take that for what its worth, and ask yourself, had you to trust the Turk or the Ruskie version, which one you take?
POINT = Russia
Yep. Putin has so many options, like flying 20 sorties a day on the border and daring turkey to shoot them down, literally come out and say, "I dare you to shoot them down". Arm the Kurds in the east to the teeth, and let them loose on the Turks. The options Putin has are endless to bring the pain hardcore to Turkey and the NATO cabal.
Is THIS clear enough for you?
What does it sound like in the tower when 12 pilots simultaneously shit their pants?
Are those cockpits vented?
I agree with your statement. 0 < 30.
Yup. They took the short-cut. Was probably a daily event for who knows how long. And they probably have been warned every time. They just never expected to get a sidewinder up the tailpipe.
Something has changed politically. Because there is no miltary or security rationale to spike the Russian jet.
My guess is the Turkey got it's tail yanked by NATO. Dangerous games being played. Turkey is now in the hot seat of course. And this also was going to be known outcome. Which leads to further questions...
Nope. They approached Turkish air space and received the usual warning that they took in stride as they were NOT entering Turkey but merely skirting the border. The Russians were surprised by the attack, as they had no reason to believe they would be attacked by Turkey in Syrian air space. Also, protocol demands visual I.D. of targets in cases of unidentified foreign intrusion into one's airpsace. Again, since no visual i.d. was initiated, the Russians had ZERO reason to believe they would be attacked.
You can't tell me one of the BEST NAVIGATORS IN THE WORLD doesn't know where his plane was, or that Russia doesn't know where it was the entire time either. Turkey is the country that is WAY out of line with it's actions, regardless of whether an airspace violation occured or not - they are acting like criminals, both during and after the fact.
They weren't spiked, it was an infrared missile. Spike is a radar guided missile term meaning the indication of a radar lock by an aggressor. To spike another countries aircraft is very provocative, similar to how the Chinese have treated to "lock" onto US ships in the South China Sea.
Infrared seekers are tailpipe seekers. They require a significant IR source as a target indicator. You need to be astern of your target to activate the seeker head. Given either the Turkish or the Russian SU-24 tracks there is no way a Turkish F-16 would be able to launch against the SU-24 unless the f-16 was in violation of Syrian airspace and flying astern of the SU-24.
I guess my comment was too cryptic. I meant I don't think they were in Turkish airspace at all, based on the interview with the flight navigator, other evidence such as Russia releasing the detailed flight paths almost immediately, and the incessant lying by the "Western" coalition. No way to be 100% sure though.
How many US, French, Israeli flights violate Syria's airspace each day. Shooting down unwanted planes could get to be quite the sport.
Right now China is fine tuning their air defense systems in the Spratly Islands.
Obama, you're an idiot.
W
Ten warning in 17sec? Sure. Must've been tongue tied. I'm sure Turkey can't wait to turn over the bomber's black box to verify it was in Turkey.
Turkey has only released a flight map showing the Su-24 making a bee line directly over the little pan handle of Turkey that extends into Syria. Russia has not only shown their own flight map, but they've also released their data/radar recordings that shows the plane actually dipping south just underneath the pan handle before getting shot down.
Someone is lying, and until Turkey releases the actual data/radar recordings from their side, I'll believe the Russians.
According to documents declassified less than 10 years ago, during the Cold War America and USSR each lost about 120 reconnaissance pilots who happened to be flying too close to the enemy territories. Neither nation wanted to escalate matters and the unspoken agreement went along the lines of: "You'll pretend you didn't shoot down what we'll pretend we didn't send."
Back then neither nation wanted an all out war. The war against ISIS is completely different. It's a cascade of proxy wars is designed specifically to escalate into a global conflict with Russia being the prime target. A different set of bullshit engagement rules applies.
It is a cascade, but not "designed specifically to escalate into a global conflict with Russia being the prime target." Russia and China have been ignorantly overlooked on the west's political chessboard.
Russia is calling a bluff from a moral high ground. The US never won in Iraq or Afghanistan, and everyone knows why. Russia is playing to the world beautifully. The west (and by proxy Saudi) is frustrated.
I remember a couple years ago, Saudi was threatening to reexamine their alliances and move east. Looks like the US is trying to do just enough so that won't happen, while keeping themselves from not outright losing a war. The US can do nothing. Russia will win, and Turkey will lose much of the east of their country.
The boundaries in the middle east are ever evolving and I don't think the 21st century will be any different than the 20th. Most borders will change within the decade.
Long live Kurdistan!
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Spammer, you in the head fucked.
Wow, you think they will actually analyze this absolutely crucial piece of evidence??? You really are a genius. I would have thought they just take their word for it, all good.
times like these i miss longsoupline ..
''This isn't fucking morality, it's fucking financial and cultural genocide of the fucking middle class.
Fuck you Bernanke and the entire shit ass stinking fucking banking sector. Those fucks can burn and rot in a fucking landfill. Don't even fucking bother to bury those treasonous fucking assholes...
Other than that I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas''
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-21/morality-fed#comment-3089173
If you only BTFD you would be a millionaire by now.
But what happened is you fed in to the BS that ZH has been feeding you for 7 years now, BS that has been wrong.
The DOW needs to go down 50% now for ZH to be "right".
Violent drug cartels make millions too, but that doesn't make it right. There is a lot of money to be made with violence, but that is not what people should want. If you think financing a regime of war, slavery, and theft is OK because it makes you millions, well you shouldn't expect safety in the future reset. Profiting off the inevitable downfall of the tyranny, should be everyone's goal (that's my understanding of zh's culture).
Wrong. ZH never made any predictions on where the Dow would be in 2015, nor did they tell you what to buy. However, they did say on several occassions to "just BTFD", you stupid fuckan blockhead.
And moar importantly, why are you still here reading and posting if ZH is all BS?
I placed it on ZH a couple of hours ago....
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/russia-says-turkeys-attack-jet-...
that's the beauty of ZH, for both us and the Tylers: the comments section is always rife with great info you would have a hard time sluething out on your own. I've seen stories ''broken" in the comments section that later become topics for full on articles. There is the shit to sort through at times, but i guess that's what you get when the Captcha math is no longer a prerequisite to post.
Dead on. I think ive learned more from the Posters here at times than the actual reads. No offense to ZH i just rely on this to interpret of some follow ups
... that's the beauty of ZH...
+100! ;-)
Looney
I emailed them in the past and suggested wways to help "by pass" trolls. They thanked me for the input and said they would consider it, but I never saw any changes.
ZH is ad based for revenue (except the cash flow from Simon Black - he has to pay to be on here I figure) so in some sense a bigger audience helps float the bill and keep the site/community around.
Regards,
Cooter
slashdot had a great commenting system since at least 2008
Why do you want to change things this is ZERO HEDGE if you don't like it go to Facebook why everything is made safe for you , if you don't like what the trolls say don't read it . You pay taxes ,shave, have pubic hair, then that means you are a grown up , so stop bitching like a baby
;-)
Classic Russian. Ignore you until you fight back. But bring a gun, it won't be a knife fight.
I remember last month they claimed that they had warned an unknown home-made little drone for 10 times before shooting it down. The drone hadn't answered.
Regardless, we are talking about a very short distance (seconds at most) at the tip of Turkish territory. And I personally haven't seen anything yet as to the accuracy of the border for such a small area. Nonetheless, Turkey fires on a Russian plane? The official story is probably bullshit on both sides.
They need a visual of a pilot in a Russian uniform shrugging his shoulders. Then I'd believe them.
Still very stupid to shoot it down. It was not vectoring "into" Turkey. Turks will pay.
It was clearly not a threat to Turkey. So, the question is... what is the real game that is being played?
Every great power needs nationalistic fervor to sweep the nation against "foreign aggressors" to distract from the enemy within.
Let's not spill any tears here. It's a win-win for both Russian gov and Turkish gov.
Some seriously dangerous games being played these days. Heck, we here were saying it was just a matter of time before someone got shot down. Happened in pretty short order and not even as an "oops."
Nationalistic fever rape!
It is not a win for the dead pilot.
Well this is a guess, some Turks are getting filthy rich off of the Terror Oil, The Turks population and President actually support their Sunni Wahhabi brethren but can't say it officially. So the Turks used ~13 seconds of Airspace violation as an excuse to give their Terrorist fighters some cover and keep that Oil money flowing a little longer. Just my 2 cents.
Perhaps. It always does come back to power and resources.
I would agree, but they are going to get the exact opposite.
They are either stupid or someone forced this on them.
Right I am thinking the same thing. With all the Akbar attacks in the area it sure seems like they (Turkey, IS, etc) are protecting something..
what is the real game that is being played?
IMO, it looks like a NATO provocation to elicit a harsh military response from Russia.
I say Russia is using the Turkish 'provocation' to put wall-to-wall S-400s in Syria.
Just before they declare a no-fly zone
The Russian aircraft possibly did not have a radio operating on the frequency that the Turks were broadcasting on. This happens even between friendly forces.
Every pilot must monitor emergency frequencies 121.5 (civ) and 243 Mhz (military)
Is it possible for civ pilots to listen to military freqencies ? And record them on theyr phones ?
I do not think so !
Guard is an unencrypted open frequency. Anyone with a UHF or VHF radio can listen to it.
Would the message be in a language understood by the Russian pilot?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_English
Most Russians I know speak English anyway...
And every pilot - civil , or military , or learners , or ... - during flights have their phones constantly on "record" ? Why then do we ever need to listen to the black boxes records ? Just ask other pilots to share their phone recordings . Easy .
Where did you get your information? As a civilian pilot, I only monitored 121.5 if a plane was suspected of having gone down in the area over which I was flying. Even then it was only a request to do so by ATC, no "must" about it.
Yup, russian aviation radios and turkish military radios all have fixed frequencies that cannot be changed, much less, communicate with each other.
Meanwhile turkish sky warriors duel with maveick and goose top gun ruskies.
Would make an excellent hollywood movie.
I want 100% writing rights.
The article does not state the broadcast frequency. It could have been broadxast on the wrong frequency on purpose.
Also, like the pilot says , they could have attempted visual contact before downing a friendly.
The Turks could've easily made visual contact if that were the case. I call BS on everything the Turks have said. Remember, the Turks are claiming the Su-24 was making a bee line across that small 2-3 mile wide peninsula. Even if that were true, the Russian plane would've been well back into Syrian territory after just a few seconds, let alone 17 seconds. What the Turks are claiming doesn't hold water.
Let's not ignore that almost every military air force has a culture of risk-taking and doing unsafe things. It's very likely that the RUS pilot simply ignored warnings and thought no one would be stupid enough to attack the RUS air force.
Listen, at the end of the day, nobody innocent died, and they lost some old 1960 aircraft. More should be said about the recent hospital bombing by USSA.
those weren't bombings!!! they were "highly mobile laser guided projectile displacements" !!!! whoop whoop!
"bombing" is so 2014, we don't bomb anyone, that's bloody and awful
Ok so maybe it is true, maybe Russia really misstepped here. But know that such recording can be faked very easily. They could for example send the pilot after the incident to record such speech in addition. Because notice there was no response from russian plane which is strange. I would expect at least some, any kind of response if he really received such warning. So what we have is basically Turkey`s solo pilot`s monologue and cannot verify it was really recorded at that time and not later on. There is no voice from russian pilot at all. Its very strange, so I stick to russian version. Now if there was a recorded response, that would be something else. Take your pick.
Turkey flies through greek airspace 30 times a day to bomb 'isis' and syria.
They were playing cat and mouse.
The rus lost this time.
But don't worry.
Putin is checkin his safety devices.
He won't make the same mistake again.
The Russians lost because they were not expecting to get a missile up their ass from behind by a supposed friendly nation.
From this point on, any Turkish aircraft as hostile and taken out
DAMAGE CONTROL!!!!
I have had farts that lasted longer than 17 seconds. Just saying
Kudos to you sir. A 17+ second fart is a seriously "A good one".
Good for a couple of bars of "Dixie"
Was it brodcast on a channel that military would be monitoring?
Before deciding if it was real the technical details need to be addressed.
Lots of aviation accidents due to communication issues especially military vs civilian.
Personally - I hope it is a COLD winter in Turkey and Russia turns off the gas.
Right. And Russia goes bankrupt even faster...
The Russians CANNOT afford to turn anything off to anybody... They are a feather breath away from complete economic meltdown as it is. Sure, cut off hundreds of millions in revenue is the answer...
This BS line pushed by CIA is getting stalled. Try something new...
(that down vote wasn't me - I very rarely vote).
The last I read - perhaps a couple months back - was that Russia had turned the corner on its financial woes. Who knows.
Unlike the economic paradise in EU land or on Uncle Sam's plantation!
Haven't you noticed Russia laying the ground work for a USSA textbook "State Sponsor of Terror" action since that plane blew up over Egypt? What happens to the price of petroleum products and Russian market share if the Kremlin decides to pull a Cinton/Dubya/Obama and declare Ras Tanura and Ras Laffan are "sponsoring terrorism"?
War is a racket, and not just for the USSA.
i thought they will have russian pilots voices recorded
How could they? The russians refused to respond even after ten warnings over five minutes!
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Fuck off Noplebian spammer! Already now is posted two times in this comments your crap.
If Erdogan the criminal tells the truth, it is only by mistake. The order to shoot down the Russian jet came directly from him. He is also implicated in supplying sarin to ISIS terrorists. For supporting and sustaining ISIS and this shootdown, he should be tried at the Hague
Criminal complaint filed against Erdogan for treasonhttp://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_criminal-complaint-filed-against-erd...
from that article: "Lawyer Veysel K?r?c? filed a criminal complaint against Erdo?an on Tuesday [...]"
How long before he's found dead?
Completely failed damage control efforts, too little too late. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever to shoot down the Russian plane that allegedly entered Turkish airspace for 17 seconds. The Turks fucked up decades of successful cooperation with one idiotic move. And what did they try to achieve with such moves? Do they think this will stop the Russians from bombing ISIS? They better think again...
THE LIE SURFACES!!!!!
"But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly"
BULLSHIT!
All modern combat aircraft -- especially when flying real combat missions have electronics that help warn the aircrew of missile radar locks and other offensive capabilities pointed at their aircraft.
THE RUSSIAN PILOT JUST SAID THEY HAD "NO WARNING" WHICH IS OBVIOUS BULLSHIT!
The Turks would have been radar locking them and inside the Russian cockpit, there would be bells, whistles and all sort of things screaming at them they were about to be shot.
C'mon these lies are so dumb now that it isn't even embarassing anymore, it's amateur hour...
I agree that is what I have seen on TV as well.
Goose and Maverik would have started evasive manuevers also
No warning from the TURKS dumbass.
But you already knew that.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you even read what I wrote.
The Russian cockpit would be SCREAMING alerts at the Russian crew because it was being targeted by fire control from the Turkish F16s.
THAT IS WARNING FROM THE TURKS EINSTEIN...
The Russians caught in a bold faced lie. Its incredible how naive they think the world is to believe this shit...
One person's warning is another's warning shot I guess.
Are you a cop? lol
Are you suggesting that Russian fighers are so poorly built/equiped to not have ANY targeting warning?
Wow, the Russian AF must be pissing itself. They just realized the Turks (or any country with F16s et al) can simply shoot them down and they wont even see it coming...
Good to know!
Both of them are not at war so why such trigger happy reaction ? Common don't mess it up. Russians are the one destroying their black oil business via isis from syria and not to mention those turkmen turkey nationals) fighting alongside terrorists in Syria.
Why didn't Turkey press the trigger 114 times in past ?
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-could-have-downed-114-planes-for...
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/24/turkey-violated-greek-airspace-2244-ti...They could have escorted them out just like they have been doing to other planes. But NOPE. It is a provocative act.
jizzhammer your logic is quite twisted. I know you're here to beat your pro-Empire agenda no matter how wrong it is kindly Get a brain, you moron
The Russian crew assumed the Turkish fighter approached them to escort them out or intercept them, NOT SHOOT THEM DOWN, you brain dead moron.
"Did you even read what I wrote."
Certainly not. Why on earth would anybody want to do that??
ps: I see yomutti went off duty just before you came on duty (!)
Those two take turns alternately.
One guy trolls while other guy fellates, then they roles switch.
A recording on a cell phone could never be admitted as evidence of anything in a court of law without the court's having an example of the purported Turkish pilot's voice. Anybody could have spoken those words into his cell phone.
You are embarrassing all of us here
STFU
Do you seriously use the expertise gained from watching Top Gun to debate inner working of modern aircrafts?
You are beyond retarded.
So Iceman, tell us with all your incredible technical insight on the matter, that I'm wrong.
We can all wait...
He is pathetic troll of the lowest quality and completely inadequate.
Nothing but bleating and grunting from outdated manual State Department.
Even Psaki more convincing.
Fucking Turkish dogs. Always were and will be.
Russia and Turkey had some growing commerce and tourism in the last few years. Win-win cooperation.
All must sacrifice on the altar of AmeriKan Empire, whether they want to or not.
I hate turks. Went to Turkey for a while. Parochial, selfish, venal, cringing, and then they wonder why their 'leaders' are so classy. All too gutless to do-in the bribe-taking cops and politicians and 'military' fetishists. Entirely untrustworthy...seriously, I'd rather deal with brazilian diplomats than turks.
Most important though is what turkey has contributed to international cuisine. nothing. Nothing that doesn't taste like badly processed meat disguised by badly made sauce and a few pathetic shreds of lettuce and the horrid and overwhelming background of carrot. <pukes at the memory>
I have not been to a kebab shop since. (oooh..17 years?)
Now Y'all know i need furnish no further proof of the Turkish Great Fault - a pathological lack of imagination.
This recording is as legit as the one Israel released of the Mavi Marmara "attackers"(passengers) saying "Go back to Auschwitz!!" with Israeli accents.
Complete fabrication.
I'm sure the truth has been stretched and twisted, much like Turkish Taffy...
How did a civilian pilot listen in on a military bandwidth?
It's not encrypted.
They may have been transmitting on 121.5 (VHF Guard). Some civil planes have UHF radios to listen to 243.0 (UHF Guard).
Thanks for the information, I did not know.
Did I get slagged because some cynic thought I was sarcastic?
There is an international squawk for situations like this. This way, EVERYBODY hears it and then others can't say you only broadcast your warning on one frequency. This is EXACTLY why a commercial airliner can hear it -- so as to not get accidentally shot down.
The Turkish statement to the UN was ridiculous on its face - the aircraft passed a finger of land (a valley) that just a few kilometers into Syria. The area of transgression was 1.3 miles for 17 seconds (if the planes were traveling really slowly - at normal speed they'd have crossed that distance in less than 5 seconds).
First of all, civil aviation operates on VHF. It's normal for a/c to monitor the int'l emergency frequency (121.5 Mhz)... but... at least for mil a/c, that is to say, NATO, they're mostly on UHF freqs. The emergency freq for mil is 243.00. I can understand a commercial a/c would hear a Mayday or a warning transmission broadcast via 121.5, but if you're trained military you should know NATO mil aircraft aren't on VHF freqs. So they would transmit via 243.00. Why would a civilian aircraft be on a military frequency? Story makes no sense.
I have no clue about Russian radio protocol, but supposedly this is one of the first things that gets established during any sort of joint ops; what freqs are we gonna be using on comms. Who ever verified the Russian freqs? The Turks were saying the Russians never replied, what process did the Turks use to verify Russian freqs? If you're transmitting and you don't receive a reply your first guess is your target is NOT on your frequency. Pretty fucking simple.
The latest is Turkey and the Syrian rebels are claiming there is no ISIS on the border with Turkey. Funny as I seem to remember the MSM filming ISIS attacking a city whilst the MSM was standing on the Turkey side of the border just a couple of months ago.
The two recordings don't have any similarities ...except for the words used: "You Are Approaching Turkish Airspace"
The one from liveleak sounds fake. Quality far too good.
En Guard? Are they fencing?
On Guard. 121.5 or 243.0. Everyone has those frequencies tuned in. Maybe they had the volume down.
Bottom line here ? ATC in Turkey alledged to issued warning. Did Russians actually get them? What does black box say? I have no idea whether Russian aircraft have Guards Frequency ( emergency 121.5, 243). I know I could get FEDEX 15K feet over me sheep hunting, but I have no idea as to Rusky eqpmnt. So far the Rusky story is the more credible. Were they two perps, I'd offer the Russian the better deal, suspended sentence and probation, and give the Turk 2-10 in a Super Max facility. Point= Russia.
Why does it matter?
Bottom line here.
Turks issued multiple confirmed warnings
Russian violated Turkish airspace.
Russian splashed.
It's not the Turks responsibility if the Russians won't listen to proper frequencies that could safeguard this type of thing and then they waltz into Turkish airspace.
The Russians fucked up and got splashed.
There is no proof the actual warnings got to the russians properly. All we have is some audio with some guy speaking and warning someone in english.
That guy is never need proof. He draws facts from his own imaginary world.
Urgently he needs psychiatric treatment.
Again why does it matter?
It is not the Turks responsibility to make sure the Russians tune their radios to international procedure and frequency to make sure these types of incidents don't occur.
If the Russians don't want to listen for warnings, then they stray into others airspace -- then they get shot down -- well then its THEIR damned fault.
Furthermore, the Russians had PLENTY of warning. Their cockpit would have sounded like a Vegas slot machine on a big payout... They had warning. A LOT of warning and they are bold face lying about that.
" Warnings " " plenty of warnings" " lot of warnings "
Aren't you done with your same unverified tirade , Disinformation Agent
Why does it matter?
Because Russia has 3,000-5,000 strategic nuclear warheads. And some Goat-Fucking-Devil-Worshiping-Sand-Nigger whose entire bloodline and household help should expunged from the face of the earth with extreme prejudice is doing "stupid shit" that makes King Obozo and his flying circus look like foreign policy/strategery geniuses.
OK, so the Turks and NATO are committed to the defense of ISIS. Anything else you setting out to prove?
ZH'ers blogging on site...
Protesters surround Turkish embassy in MoscowRussia News.Net Wednesday 25th November, 2015
Hundreds of protesters gathered in front of the Turkish embassy in Moscow on Wednesday to show their anger over the downing of a Russian Su-24 warplane, which was shot down by the Turkish air force on Tuesday.Over 600 Russians had already rallied around the embassy on Tuesday evening, holding posters showing "stab in the back", "not going to Turkey". The protest lasted for over an hour with Russian policemen maintaining order at the scene, Xinhua reported.
Recording or not the countdown has begun.
Wait, they give warnings on a civilian channel?
Yes.
Right on. If a civilian airliner heard this then the Turks were not transmitting on the correct frequency!
I can't check links right now, but can someone tell me if this is a 5 minute recording with 10 warnings?
Or is it a 2 minute recording with 10 warnings?
Or maybe something new? Since it seems to be changing on a daily basis.
This is one snippet of a five minute continued warning of ten issued repeats.
This is one unverified snippit, produced anywhere by anyone, and sold as "news" to idiots ...
Jesus K. Christ! How many times did the Russians have to fly over this little strip of land so they could receive all those warnings? Did they take the Evelyn Wood speed hearing course?