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Russia Says Turkey's Attack On Jet Was "Planned Provocation" As Ankara Moves Tanks Near Syrian Border
On Tuesday evening, we took a close look at the circumstances surrounding Turkey’s decision to shoot down a Russian Su-24 near the Syrian border. The incident was the most meaningful escalation in the conflict to date and marks the first time a Russian or Soviet plane has been downed by NATO since 1953.
The pilots ejected, one of whom was shot in his parachute by FSA-affiliated Alwiya al-Ashar militiamen who subsequently celebrated over the body. About an hour later, the FSA's 1st Coastal Brigade used a US-made TOW to destroy a Russian search and rescue helicopter, killing one Russian marine.
For his part, Vladimir Putin called Erdogan a backstabber and proceeded to accuse Turkey of flying the black flag of ISIS and funding the Islamic State cause by facilitating the sale of illegal crude.
Miraculously, there were no further escalations overnight, but as we outlined in detail on Tuesday, something doesn’t add up about the story Ankara is telling. According to a letter Turkey sent to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the 15 members of the UN Security Council, the Russian warplane, flying at 19,000 feet, “violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds.” If you do the math on that, it means the Su-24 was basically flying at stall speed.
Journalists: Learn to do basic maths. Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) November 24, 2015
Here's how we summed up the situation:
It's important not to forget the context here. Ankara is fiercly anti-Assad and in addition to being generally displeased with Russia's efforts to support the regime, just four days ago, Turkey summoned Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov over the alleged bombing of Turkish villages near the border.
Of course Russia wasn't just bombing Turkish civilians for the sheer hell of it. It's likely Moscow was targeting the very same FSA-affiliated Alwiya al-Ashar militiamen who shot and killed the parachuting Russian pilot.
In short, it looks like Ankara saw an opportunity to shoot down a Russian jet in retaliation for strikes on Turkish rebel fighters who are operating alongside anti-Assad forces.
With that in mind, note that on Wednesday, Sergei Lavrov (not known for holding his tongue or even for observing any semblance of diplomatic decorum) accused Ankara of conducting a pre-meditated strike. "We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation,” Lavrov said, after a meeting with his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu. Lavrov also said he would back a plan to close the Turkish-Syrian border. "I think this is the right desicion. I hope President Hollande will tell us more about the issue tommorow. We would be ready to consider all measures that needed for this [closing the border]. By closing the border we will basically thwart the terrorist threat in Syria," he said.
Russia also said the Syrian army (so, Iran or Hezbollah) had retrieved the second pilot who is now "alive and well." Here's how French ambassador Alexandre Orlov summed up the situation in an interview with Europe 1 radio: “One on board was wounded when he parachuted down and killed in a savage way on the ground by the jihadists in the area. The other managed to escape and, according to the latest information, has been picked up by the Syrian army and should be going back to the Russian air force base.”
Note the difference in the way Russia and the US describes the FSA. For the US, they are a "moderate opposition group," for the Russians, they are "jihadists." Considering they are allied with al-Qaeda, and judging from the gruesome videos released by the group on Tuesday, you'd be forgiven if you're inclined to go with Moscow's characterization.
Meanwhile, Russia is set to deploy the S-400s. "Russia also said Wednesday it would take new measures in Syria to protect its aircraft, deploying powerful S-400 anti-air missile systems, which have a range of nearly 250 miles, to Russia’s Khmeimim airbase in northwestern Syria," WaPo reports, adding that "the airbase is located a little under 20 miles from the Turkish border, and has the potential to create headaches for Turkish and other aircraft in a U.S.-led coalition that are carrying out a separate airstrike campaign in Syria."
These are of course the same S-400s which the Western media claimed were already at Latakia earlier this month - a contention Russia denied at the time. Whether or not they were there is now immaterial - they'll be operational from this point on. As a reminder, here's what the systems look like:
What seems clear (as noted above and as discussed at length on Tuesday), is that Turkey is keen on protecting Alwiya al-Ashar and other anti-Assad forces operating near the Turkish border. Indeed, Sergei Lavrov said as much in a press briefing on Wednesday. "[The] question arises whether Turkey is defending Syria area to protect rebel infrastructure," Lavrov said at a press briefing in Moscow on Wednesday.
Indeed, Ankara looks to be stepping up its military presence near the area where the Russian plane was shot down. "Turkey has moved 20 tanks from west of country to southern province of Gaziantep, bordering Syria, and increased number of F-16s flying patrols along border to 18 as of yesterday," state-run Anadolu Agency said today. Here's a visual that shows you where Gaziantep is in relation to Aleppo and to the Su-24 crash site:
The logical next question to ask here is how prepared Turkey is to defend FSA positions because it's only a matter of time before the IRGC and Hezbollah invade these areas on the ground and when that happens, you can expect Ankara to cry genocide against Syria's Turkmen miniority. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
In the meantime, Lavrov says Russia "is not going to war against Turkey," but remember what we said last month when Turkey shot down a Russian drone: "For now, it appears as though The Kremlin is going to take this one in stride, but that may be "strike one" so to speak, meaning NATO might have one or two more pot shots it can take before Erdogan gets a slightly less "neighborly" call from Moscow."
Tuesday was strike two.
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Nothing stays the same forver. Turkey warned Russian Federation many times - no airspace violation. No. None. Zero. Russia ignored that.
LOL. Nothing stays the same for ever? Is that the best you can do?
OK. I give up.
Yes, things change. Once Nazi Germany was an ally to USSR but that changed as we all know. So yes, nothing stays the same for ever. Not in geopolitics.
In the first month of 2014 alone, Turkish aircraft allegedly violated Greek airspace 1,017 times, Gurcan reports. http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/07/17/turkish-fighter-jets-violate-...
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there was nothing to defend...
the SU24 was no threat, carried no ordnance, was in Syria airspace and headed away
from border....shot in the back
http://www.wrmea.org/2009-november/israeli-organ-harvesting-from-moldova...
I take it you have never been to Cyprus or Greece.
They will tell you that Turks only exist to destroy the world.
NATO's stance is to escort an unknown violating plane out of the national air space and only use force if said unknown plane continues in the territory without responding. That freaking Russian plane stayed less than 17s (probably less) in their territory with a very clear path it was just going straight to the west, not north. And Turkey knew they were Russia's jet, not terrorists.
It was one of the most stupid moves ever done in the last few years.
Fact: From January 2015 until August Turkey has violated the greek airspace 1.306 times with a total of 101 military aircrafts from Turkey.
atmasko you are a fool - Russia and Turkey had an agreement against ISIS. Violating an airspace by 10 seconds allows for a shut down and criminal warcrime by shooting a pilot hanging on a parashut? What kind of mind chunky are you?
I can't understand why Putin would provoke the Turks.
Like one of the other posters commented, with them controlling the Darnadelles, the Turks can easily cut off Putin's ships from getting home.
I can
they have come to take a spoil
Connects the Russian empire to the ME
Do you think the US will back up Turkey?
Or will Turkey have to yield
We shall see
Mr Gog [O] is on the move
hook in the jaw of Russia
'Do you think the US will back up Turkey?'
The U.S. will back up anyone Israel tells them to. Period.
Oh ya ya ya
Lilttle Israel
The size of New Jersey controls the whole world
accordian to numerous clowns on this site
Yes, ZeroHemmroid is the cyber bath house of Goebbels-Mohammedans and Putzinistas.
Hasbara trolls work in shifts here.
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/02/jews-pretending-to-be-moslems-or.h...
"Israel" is not what you think it is. Israel pre-existed the State of Israel. London Jews were around hundreds of years before the State of Israel existed.
If you want to know where the problem Israel exists, look no further than the Israel that exists in the heart of London. If you want to know where the true Israel exists, namely the Biblical People of God, look no further than the Catholic Church, which inherited all the promises of the Old Covenant and which remains the true Tribe of Judah in our world today. The Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist in a Catholic Mass are 100% Old Testament Jewish. The so-called Jews of today are 100% impostor Jews, Talmudic or Rabbinical Jews who have no relation whatsoever with the Jews of the Old Covenant. Their Square Mile, the City of London, is their diabolical counterpoint to the square mile in Rome, namely the Holy See. Antichrist operates through one; Christ through the other. The fake Israel has made its home in one; the true Israel in the other.
The Israel you talk about is an impostor, put there to suit the interests of Judaeo-Masonry in Anglo-America. Christ withdrew their favoured status when they rejected him. There are two symbolic signs of this: one, the splitting of the Veil of the Temple when he was crucified, and two, the annihilation of the Temple about 40 years later. That was the end of the Jewish nation; that was the end of their special status; that was the end of the Twelve Tribes. Christ took away their rights and handed them over to the Twelve Apostles, as clear a sign as you can get that he intended the Church to be the New Israel.
Only a donkey, a dumb Jew or a dumb American Protestant would see it any other way.
Turkey is Magog Gen 10 2-5
easy ID if you not brainwashed
Turkey is now surrounded by enemies of its own making. Greece to the North ( they still want Constantinople back from the muslims and dont like the Turks one bit ), Russia and Iran to the east, Syria and the Med to the south and west) So who's getting cornered now?
Expect Putin to move on the Dardenelles.
by no means will this be the last 'incident' - just wait until the US makes a 'mistake' and drops a blu-82 on some russian troops
Let the war begin!!! War is good for business!!!
"Turkey: Satellite Map of Ports" and ISIS oil for Nukes?
http://www.worldportsource.com/ports/TUR.php
cursor works great on mapping
Putins next move should be:
1) move an paratrooper division to syria.
2) 'leak' russia is concerned about turkey closing the bosphorus, so it's ships are leaving the med via the straights of gib.
3) as they are moving pass drop the hammer on north cyprus.
4) once all tanks, apc, aircraft, barracks are destroyed, move the paratrooper division in with the aid of the cryprus army.
5) take over turkish bases and use them as a med operational base.
No country in the world (except turkey) recognises north cyprus as part of turket, and there are UN has passed resolutions against turket regarding the 1973(i think) invasion. Therefore NATO will have a easy means to let the incident slide. Greece and Cyprus will be over the moon ofc, and Russia can spin the whole thing as a liberation, and to be honest most of the sane, i.e. non-gubberment, people in the EU will back Russia.
PR win
Free Med Base of operations
BIG FU to turkey
I like it!
how do you bankrupt Turkish Airlines?
Deny flights over Russia?
Erdogan in 2012 "A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he told Parliament at the time."
http://sputniknews.com/military/20151125/1030698044/erdogan-airspace-vio...
"Ohhh I get it! So those oil tankers were turkish. Gotcha!!"
Precisely. Turkey suppies the oil tankers. ISIS loads the oil. Turkey makes a huge bargain by selling cut-rate oil on the global market. Some money flows back to ISIS. And Turkey keeps its share ... so they can hide their own dirty war against the Kurds. And no doubt some of that secret money also allowed Turkish officials to visit luxury hotels in Europe, along with champagne and high-priced hookers. This "Turkish delight" disappeared when Russia bombed the oil tankers.
Putin is a chess player. He doesn't make the mistake of 'gut reactions'. There will be a response. I am very surprised that the guys who fired that TOW missile put their faces on a video. Because this means that the "Gray Ghosts" are now #1 on the Most Wanted List for the Spetznatz. Very likely they will live up to their name .... Gray Ghosts.
Which is why Obama gave 45 minute warnings having been shamed by Putin to finally start bombing ISIS oil
Turkish trucks, Turkish drivers, Turkish oil at bargain basement prices
you're right. this is a bottomless pit. the stench is foul.
Nice exterior decorating job.
I'd buy THAT for a dollar!
How cultural from russian side.
Jesus fucking Christ NATO is about to invade Syria
A goal of the paris attacks.
http://original.antiwar.com/dan_sanchez/2015/10/05/seize-the-chaos/
http://leaksource.info/2015/01/17/the-yinon-plan-greater-israel-syria-ir...
More than ever it is going to be necessary to target Assad specifically in order to take away Russia's permission to be in theater.
Only after Assad is blown up does the military government have zero legitimacy and all those Turkish (NATO) tanks roll south to "secure/annex" the area.
Maybe that is the exchange. Turkey helps transfer all those refugees into the heart of Europe and in exchange they get Syria under some Ottoman reconstitution.
NATO can't hand the region to anyone else.
Every day Iran sends more troops into theater and every day it will be harder to get a handle on Syria.
I used to run around with a colonel from the South Lebanon Security Belt.
If Syria really implodes you will have chaos thousand times greater than south Lebanon - thousand Sabras, Gazas and Shatilas.
Read the reports from the Second Lebanon War.
No wonder all those recent zombie films characterize Arabs as brain eating hordes - preparing the battle-space.
This is some wild hornets' nest stuff.
My hat is off to the evil geniuses, but so often than not it's just the fog of war and chaos theory.
Dumping guns, trucks and missiles into theater helps too I guess.
Is Erdogan a Donmeh Jew?
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-...
And did the FED meet secretly on Monday because they had advance warning of the shoot down?
"Is Erdogan a Donmeh Jew?"
Quite possibly. He's a vile fascist.
Recall the Turkics who migrated to Khazaria and converted to Ashkenazi judaism. Recall also the research done which argues that the Saudi Royals' ancestors are jewish.
In that part of the world there is a long history of moslems and jews switching between the two religions depending on what was in fashion at the time or what was mandated by despotic leaders. The whole of Central Asia, Turkey, Eastern Europe and Middle East is stuffed full of these people who have migrated over the centuries and switched around to the point where it's difficult to pin any one label on any of them.
"crypto jews"
"jews pretending to be moslems"
A Google search for "donmeh jew" reveals that it was jews who organised the Armenian Genocide. Imagine that(!)
How bout the Saudi Family?
I already mentioned them!
But here's a coupla links with info:
"saudi royals are crypto jews"
"jewish roots of saudi royals"
Dirty Mohammedens, only Muttslums call each other Jews/Zionists.
Awww - did you get caught?
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/02/jews-pretending-to-be-moslems-or.h...
Lumberjacks post about Gulen...answer is search behind that name
Please give me a little more info. I would appreciate it. Thanks!
Relax.
Putin was looking for a reason and the Turks gave it to him.
The west was looking for an excuse and Putin will hand it to them.
At the end of the day where this is going has already been ordained.
The massive movement of military units into the region by a number of countries with or without provocation is gearing towards a major change of direction.
Whatever were being told, whatever were seeing is about 10 steps behind where it actually is already going to go.
The next steps are inevitable.
The million dollar question is, will the US commit to a proper,proxy war and will China also commit.
Before the true war breaks out, treaties, agreements and loyalties must be tested and confirmed.
Latest news from RT.COM --- Pilot of Russian bomber that the Turks shot down says they had not flown into Turkish airspace and that they were shot from behind without any warning.
https://www.rt.com/news/323431-saved-pilot-turkish-su24/
Duh...what did you expect him to say?
Assads greatest fear should being killed by Russia ( see afghan war) and then Russia blaming the Turks .
Ladies and gentlemen this will be our false flag event and it will be engineered by Putin.
Why would Putin want to do that?
Seems to me that he wants Assad to remain in power not least because Assad has a close relationship with Russia which provides mutual benefits for them and for Iran.
Because Assad is useles.
He is a puppet that is wanted dead by the west. Replacing him with someone new gives the west what it wants while giving Putin everything he desires.
Any new leader can't be condemned until he does something wrong so the west would have to withdraw stating that Assad is now gone and that's that.
Except that Putin/Iran will not tolerate a Western puppet to replace Assad - far too much to lose - and the West won't settle for anybody who isn't a puppet.
That's what the proxy war is all about.
Putin has agreed to there being new elections but most analysts reckon Assad will win. That probably explains why the West are not keen on elections. "It's premature" the State Dept claims.
No one mentions the Ayatollahs for some odd Shia pigshyt reason. Hmmmmm
I'm assuming Russia has drones. If I were Putin I would have them flying all over that Turkish/Syrian border. I wouldn't care if a drone infringed on Turkish airspace.
Considering the fact that the US, NATO and the Sunni dwarfs violate Syrian airspace daily...how long you figure before Russia, acting on behalf of Syria of course, shooting down a couple birds?
Wouldn't it be interesting if Obama was really a Russian plant
There are plenty of ties and personal history you know
Make them look like enemies when they really have the same goal
Big Power Play and Power grab comming
scoop that.
Russia don't like homos like Obama
OT?
Did you know that in 2005 Senator Obama was actually detained for 3 hours in Perm, Russia, during an inspection visit with Senator Lugar ?
Bosporus
This episode shows that NATO has become a liability instead of an asset. Turkey could have draw the US into a war with Russia leading to a nuclear exchange. Would you accept watching your children melt in nuclear fire so that IS can continue raping little girls, crucifying Christians, crushing babies, and slaughtering Muslims not Muslim enough?
http://incapp.org/blog/?p=2714
you hit the nail on the head.
No one is tarting a fucking nuclear war over one fucking pilot.
Thank god your not in government.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Fuck turkey, the other zionist state.
Not Saudi Arabia?
yes Saudi Arabia too...
What about Egypt?
TURKEY = USSA/ISISrael Stooge
- as any reasonably intelligent 5-year-old could tell you
Tweet from Matt Lauer @wikileaks Wot is maths? Type much? lol #burnzone
18 tanks in one place = 1 nice sized bomb. I think tanks, in this situation, are worthless. Find them via satellite, blow their asses away from sea.
Hiilary has a very big problem...
Followers Of A Mysterious Turkish Islamic Cleric Have Donated Heavily To Hillary’s Campaign And Family Charityhttp://dailycaller.com/2015/11/22/followers-of-a-mysterious-turkish-isla...
The largest donation from a leader of the Gulen movement, which is operated from Pennsylvania’s Pocono Mountains by a moderate Muslim cleric named Fethullah Gulen, came from Recep Ozkan. (RELATED: Here’s A Map Of Radical Mosques In The U.S. [Interactive])
A former president of the Gulen-linked Turkish Cultural Center, Ozkan gave between $500,001 and $1,000,000 to the Clinton Foundation in recent months, the charity’s website shows. He also served as a national finance co-chair last year for a pro-Clinton political action committee called Ready PAC.
According to Portland State University political science professor Birol Yesilada, who has studied the Gulen movement for more than 25 years, Ozkan is the New York liaison for the 74-year-old Gulen, who has lived in the Poconos since 1999 when he went into exile after he was accused of attempting to undermine Turkey’s secular regime in order to institute an Islamic state.
The Turks just went "Full Retard" again.
Turks are a nation of retards, ugly cowards cockroaches, twisted brain dead, evil jihadists, double standards, backstabbing perverts, pedophiles and useless eaters’ on the wrong side of human genetics. They could not make such a decision of taking down a Russian jet fighting ISIS without proper permission from US, UK and NATO. That makes this entire incident a premeditated act against Russia.
And to prove that I’m right, Turks don’t even know how to present a better lie to our already bought and sold retarded leaders that run our planet: according to a letter Turkey sent to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon (another worthless monkey) and the 15 members of the UN Security Council, the Russian warplane, flying at 19,000 feet, “violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds.”
If you do the math on that, it means the Su-24 was basically flying at stall speed: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour … even a worthless monkey can do a better job on lying on this. But, what do you know … it’s the Turks.
Turks are the reason of countless wars and massacres across Europe in the past and they should never poke the Russian bear. They should never go full retard.
Turkey has run air (with US made jets) campaigns in northern Iraq bombing the Kurds militants who were fighting against ISIS.
Turkey is facilitating selling ISIS stolen oil from Iraq and Syria oilfields to G20 membership countries on the black market at a dumping price. Has been estimated that as much as $800mil of oil has been sold in Turkey by ISIS using Turkey / Syrian border in direct dealings between Turkish officials and ISIS members under the blind eye of UK and USA.
Turkey is a corrupt, jihadist sh*t hole that hosts, protects, finances and offer intelligence and logistics to ISIS under cover of NATO membership and alliance with USA.
Turkey is considered a USA ally while ISIS is considered a terrorist faction in war with America.
Turkey is s state sponsor of ISIS with a NATO membership. NATO is harboring a state that sponsors ISIS. That makes NATO and all nations within NATO membership accomplices of sponsoring terrorism.
As long as NATO and its allies are offering support to ISIS, this terrorist faction will continue to recover.
Who is fighting against who is Syria?
ISIS is unveiling more and more as a mercenary army on the payroll of western/arab countries and private entities hell bent to twist the arm of nations opposing them, bullying to put them in submission before new world order fascists globalists and western fake free democracies.
You are just a loser.
You full of hate, opinions and in general, crap.
I understand your need to find other like-minded losers with little to offer another human other than annoyance and death.
Haven't you got something to OD on and end the misery that is summed up as your existence?
talkin with your self again? itsshittiming
Fuck yourself, Turk. If you can't figure out by now why everyone hates you greasy and stupid Turkish fuckheads then just go play Russian Roulette with 5 in the chamber, asshole.
BTW, would anyone really care if Turkey was glassified? Not counting the repercussions, just stating. Fuck Turkey. Worthless shithole.
Oops! Terrorists paying the price now! Look what Russia is doing right now:
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/574
I posted this yday: Mount Turkmen about to become Turkmen Anthill
People on this forum is so obsessed with nuclear war - it takes a lot to start a nuclear war you know. It's the last option and there are thousands of escalations before that happens.
Perhaps you are convinced of this because of the Cuba missile crisis which was never going to lead to a war - it always was about removal of systems from Europe and nothing else.
5,000 dead Russians tomorrow from a Turkish "accident" at best would lead to a coventional war - at best.
re People on this forum is (?) so obsessed with nuclear war
Nope, the USSA/ISISrael ZIO-SCUMMM* is obsessed with nuclear war - TRYING TO START ONE!
(SCUMMM* - Satanic Cabal Underwriting Mass-Murder & Mayhem)
Your such a fucking idiot.
To start one you just launch, idiot.
If they want. A nuclear war they can have it today, simply launch.
Ever think of that, idiot?
How can you tell when an Islamo-Kike Turk is lying?
His lips are moving.
Bow down to your Masters, bitch.
You will make a lovely servant girl in the world to come, Rachel.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-hiding-killers-...
Like that hore Rachel Corrie?
Getting run over by some israeli kike in a bulldozer makes that poor girl a whore?
A new low even for you. Have your boyfriend choke you out with an "e" guitar string tonight. Probably not comparable to getting flattened by a bulldozer, but hopefully will have the same effect.
Gee, i'm so glad you have so many nuclear wars in the past that you can use historic reasoning.
"should" be a last resort, no one says someone might suspect they are fucked and push the button. You can't predict this shit, don't even try.
Yes you can predict it idiot.
There is a good reason why we have not had a nuclear war - can you figure out why?
Try do you need someone to do the thinking for you?
Just as it is predictable where what happens in the Middle East right now leads to and why it is happening.
Can you not understand what is at stake with who controls the Middle East? Does intervention by a number of countries for the last 40 years need to be spelled out to you?
Have you ever considered the logic is the unrest there?
"there are thousands of escalations before that happens."
Theres never even been a nuclear war you idiot.
If canibalism becomes a sport Turks will be undisputed world champions.
God Bless Russia, the only country that stands for what is right and wrong.
From Bulgaria
Erdogan is an asshole, and a disaster waiting to happen for the West who unfortunately are his allies.
And why the hell did Turkey shoot down the plane, even if the Russians were flying over Turkish airspace. The Russians are testing the Norwegian borders all the time, and everytime they get close to the border, they are cut off by a few norwegian fighter planes. And when they get over the border, they are escorted out by three or four fighter planes. But we never shoot them down, and they do go back when our fighter planes cut them off. The Turks are like the little muppet in the neighborhood that can behave badly, knowing that his big brothers come to the rescue.
They shot the plane down to provoke Russia.
The challenge of your intellect is to work out why this was done and what they hope Russia now does.
When you don't know where assets are, get the enemy to move them around.
Duh.
Duh.
Duh.
Russia and China have given off the signatures of all their subs, all their armament factories and every logistical route and the USA didn't have to use anything but it's satellites.
Duh.
Duh.
Duh.
Don't plan any wars for us - you're as useless as tits on a bull.
Gee I'll bet all the kids believe it.
My advise to Putin? "Release the Kraken" Turkey would be a burnt shit stain.
Turkey was so frustrated by Russia's success thay they couldn't help themselves - Turkey will have to learn the hard way that they are an international NOBODY !
We need Jack Burton's opinion on this!
he is having big trouble in little china at the moment ;)
Jack should have his own comment section.
Ah ha ha haaaa...Putzin bitch slapped by the Crypto-Jew Erdogan. Another great day for the Masters of the Universe.
Turkish embassy in Moscow today.
https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/669524844338397185
http://www.interfax.ru/photo/2492/28040
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUq1GvNWsAEWrCe.jpg
11/25 20:34 Russia can substitute Turkish veggies, fruits with imports from other countries - Tkachev
http://www.interfax.com/
like the obama putin one...
The Baltic States will soon rid themselves of the RusScum squatting on their lands. xxoo
Zionist Jew Israel Firster scum hate Russia and love ISIS.
Remember who was celebrating diring 9/11?
Israeli Jews
http://youtu.be/QphxGBXiA-M
http://youtu.be/SygjEBNnlp4
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/25/russia-bombards-sy...
The Russians respond...Putin got his socks screwed on. The payback will be 100X.
my AiR SpAcE ... not yours ... no shortcuts
->
- Consult the book of Armaments
- Launch Holy Hand Grenade -> poof/in your face, down go the first in many Russian aircraft
HELSINKI — Finland's Defense Ministry said it suspects a Russian military aircraft on Thursday violated Finnish airspace — the third such incident in six days.
Ministry spokesman Max Arhippainen told The Associated Press that a Russian AN-72 transport plane is believed to have crossed into the Nordic country's airspace over the Gulf of Finland for a few minutes.
Defense Minister Carl Haglund condemned the infraction, and said that Finland had demanded an explanation from Moscow.
"Unfortunately, we have no information to indicate that all these (violations) were accidental," Haglund told reporters in Helsinki. "As adequate explanations have not been forthcoming it would appear that a degree of intentionality was involved."
Haglund said that a Finnish Hornet jet was dispatched to intercept the Russian aircraft, but he gave no details.
Finland reported similar incidents with Russian aircraft on Saturday and Monday. Border officials said the first was likely because of a maneuver to avoid a thunderstorm and the other two were still being investigated. He said that normally there are about four to six incidents a year of foreign aircraft entering Finnish airspace without permission.
http://archive.navytimes.com/article/20140828/NEWS08/308280061/Finland-s...
Sweden Complains to Russia Over Airspace Violation Formal Protest Lodged With Russian Ambassador; 'We Consider This Serious'
ByCHARLES DUXBURY And
CHRISTINA ZANDER
Sept. 19, 2014 5:49 p.m. ET
STOCKHOLM—Sweden lodged a formal protest with the Russian ambassador here Friday over a violation of Swedish airspace by two Russian war planes in the latest sign of rising tension between
http://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-complains-to-russia-over-airspace-vio...
I'm surprised the Swedes can spare the time from looking for mysterious invisible submarines invading their territorial waters.
I think the PTBs are driving the world towards war. Here is an interesting link on War, Silver and JP Morgan: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvSnci_3qHF_7c2LQnP_wg/videos
A full list of 39 incidents since March 2014
As classified by the European Leadership Network
High Risk Incidents
Serious Incidents with Escalation Risk
Near Routine Incidents
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/full-list-of-incidents-in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw6o72h6Hhg
and lithuania, latvia and estonia are not realy countries - maybe someone should learn some recent history about baltic states?
btw you post is complete shit
"Toronto (a frigate) was buzzed by a Russian aircraft in the Black Sea"
do you even know where the black sea is and why the ship was buzzed?
and you posting only one side false lighted. what about nato violations? what about usa's violations
Those three Baltic States are real countries. From 1920-1940 they were independent countries. In 1940,the USSR occupied them until 1991. Most countries in the world accepted that the USSR was legally in control of those countries, the United States never recognized the Soviet occupation and those countries had legations (Embassies) in Washington, DC until 1991 and then Embassies.
"On 31 October 2014, RAF Typhoons intercepted Russian aircraft approaching UK airspace."
I recall this being reported at the time by the UK Daily Slime.
But what is one to deduce from this incident? Seems to me that the only word that matters is "approaching", meaning the Russian plane was not violating UK airspace and no rules were broken but they sent up Typhoons and reported it to Daily Slime to keep the muppets alert.
I wonder if Moscow maintains a list of similar incidents where American jets/boats/warships breach their airspace or get close to it. All we're seeing is the ongoing needling that has gone on for decades between the major powers.
Recall the American destroyer that recently entered Chinese territorial waters and a US plane with CNN on board that got warned off.
It goes on day-in and day-out.
I'd just more respectful of a less Russophile prospective.
You find little support for your fellor ISIS-apologists here.
ISIS apologist? FU and that disease sow that bore you.
I didn't red tick you by the way.... :-)
Hope they are paying you for your cut and paste BS - You are a glorified 'Data Entry' CLERK ! SHILL !
Published October 8th, 2015 - 09:03 GMT via SyndiGate.info
Russia has a long history of violating airspace and territorial waters as a means of applying pressure to achieve political aims.Russian jets violating Turkey’s airspace “does not look like an accident,” especially when we have seen two of them, [as they] were there for a long time,” Jens Stoltenberg, NATO Secretary-General, said Tuesday.
There have been two incursions by Russian aircraft into Turkish airspace, one on Saturday and one on Sunday. Each time Turkish F-16 jets intercepted the Russian fighters forcing them to turn back. Turkey has formally protested against the incursions.
“The first objective is the expulsion of the rebels from Aleppo, forcing them to the Turkish border, with the consequence of frustrating Ankara’s plan to establish a no-fly zone in the area to protect the refugees and to support anti-Assad forces,” wrote the noted Italian political commentator Maurizio Molinari in the newspaper La Stampa on Wednesday.
“But Russia’s strategy is aggressive and risky,” Molinari said. “Russia is seeking leverage for a tough bargain with the West on Syria, and on the survival of the Assad regime.”
Putin cannot appear to bow to Western pressure to topple the Assad regime, wrote Brookings Institution analyst Bruce Riedel in a note published on Monday.
“Assad's regime has also alienated its own population, driven millions into exile and murdered thousands more. It cannot regain control of the country's Sunni and Kurdish communities. But the Assads have been Russian clients since 1970 and their defeat is apparently unacceptable to Putin.”
NATO officials have reported a list of violations by Russian military aircraft trespassing in European airspace. According to those statistics, there were six incidents with Estonia, three with Finland, and one each with Denmark and Poland. Against Sweden there were ten in 2014, up from eight in 2013, and seven in 2012. While there were no violations of Latvian airspace, there were over 180 incidents in which the Russian air force flew close to the borders in 2014. The Russian intruders turned off their transponders, electronic devices most aircraft are required to operate to make it easy to track them, in nearly all of the cases.
NATO fighters policing Baltic airspace were scrambled 68 times along Lithuania’s borders [in 2014], by far the highest count in more than 10 years. Estonia has said its sovereign airspace had been violated by Russian aircraft five times this year.
Tactics typically deployed by Russian pilots include a practice of deliberately failing to report flight plans, ignoring civilian air traffic controllers and switching off their on-board transponders that NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg refers to as "flying dark" an approach which he said was inherently unsafe and poses a serious risk to civilian air traffic.
“Russia is seeking to ‘neutralize’ Sweden in the political and military sense. Its aggressive actions are intended to demonstrate Russia’s overwhelming military capabilities and emphasise the glaring gaps in Sweden’s defense system, and thus intimidating the public and influencing decision makers in Sweden and throughout the Baltic Sea region. This activity is so far part of the psychological war Russia is carrying out in the region. Its purpose is to influence Swedish security and defense policy, the direction of which – due to the country’s geographical position – is of essential importance for the security of the entire Baltic Sea region,” wrote Justyna Gotkowska, researcher for Poland’s Centre for Eastern Studies, in a report published in October 2014.
According to a report by European Leadership Network (ELN) published in November, the strategy can work for Russia, which uses such incidents to observe patterns of response and to test the preparedness of specific elements of individual nations as well as their alliance with NATO and other partners.
Russia also seeks to warn countries in its neighborhood that any steps taken towards integrating with Europe or seeking NATO membership would lead to further Russian harassment, according to the report. Such incidents are also meant to undermine confidence in NATO, demonstrating that the defense alliance would not be able to organize swift support for these countries. Moreover, these actions are “intended to send a message of deterrence by demonstrating Russia has both means and willingness to confront NATO and U.S. forces.”
Following increased tensions over Ukraine between Russia and NATO, there was an increase in Russian planes flying into NATO airspace and submarines venturing into its waters. Britain and other NATO members stepped up air policing missions as the number of interceptions over the Baltic States trebled in 2014, the Telegraph reported on May 15.
In 2014, Finland claimed five violations of its air space by Russian warplanes, RFE reported on June 27, citing Reuters and TASS.
Last winter, the Swedish Defense Minister complained about Russian military aircraft flying close to a Swedish commercial airliner with its transponders turned off, DW reported on Dec. 15. This spring, the semi-official Sputnik agency boasted of Russian jets penetrating NATO ships’ defenses in the Black Sea on March 4.
In autumn, four incidents were reported, one in Swedish airspace, the other in Swedish waters involving a Russian submarine, besides two other incidents of violation of airspace of Latvia and Norway.
In Sept 2014 the Swedish foreign minister lodged a formal complaint with the Russian ambassador after two jets flew close to the Swedish island of Oland. Last March, following the sighting of a Russian submarine, the Swedish government announced plans to supplement and upgrade the ships and underwater surveillance systems it uses to detect foreign submarines in its waters.
Polish researcher Andrzej Wilk wrote in September 2014 that the European part of Russia and the Arctic are witnessing other large-scale exercises by the Russian Federation’s armed forces, and their involvement in the conflict in Ukraine is also continuing. In total, these armed exercises involve over 200,000 soldiers and several thousand combat vehicles, hundreds of planes and helicopters, and about a hundred ships. Wilk also observed that “the increase in the Russian army’s activity and military spending is coupled with an information campaign which is becoming increasingly intense, which maintains that Russia must defend itself against Western aggression. In the near term, Wilk predicted, that “it should be assumed that the principal objective of Russia’s clear demonstration of power is to exert pressure on the West, to force it to make further concessions on the issue of Ukraine and to confirm the Russian Federation’s position as a superpower.”
According to one Western official, there has been a threefold increase in quick reaction alerts – the scrambling of fighter jets – because of Russian activity in the vicinity of alliance airspace reaching well over a hundred between January to September 2014. According to the Pentagon, in the two months from August to September 2014 alone, Russian nuclear bombers have made at least 16 incursions into U.S. and Canadian air defence identification zones. Two incursions –on Sept. 17 and Sept. 18 – coincided with the visit of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to Ottawa and Washington.
Italian Foreign Minister Paolo Gentiloni said Monday that “airstrikes are not enough to resolve the Syrian conflict, and Russia’s involvement could be most effectively applied in finding a plan for political transition in the country.” The minister suggested focusing on "specific goals, humanitarian corridors, disuse of cluster bombs" the best way to bring the belligerent factions to the negotiating table.
The ELN report recommends that the West, NATO leadership and the Russians should use their influence to prevent the warring factions from taking steps that “could trigger a new wave of escalation.”
By Zaki Shaikh and Andrew Jay Rosenbaum
http://www.albawaba.com/news/russias-long-history-airspace-violation-752...
Fuck you, jew.
It that your final answer? :)
:)
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Israel/Violations_of_Lebanese_sovereignty
https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-arent-israeli-f-16s-over-beir...
No.
Electronic InFanToilet is your source? Bacha Bazi much?
Yep good article acting a good question you sure dont want asked.
Zionist Israel Firster scum hate Russia and love ISIS.
Remember who was celebrating during 9/11?
Israeli Jews
http://youtu.be/QphxGBXiA-M
http://youtu.be/SygjEBNnlp4
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
johnny, don't feed the troll. He's already got his mouth full of hasbara cock
Jesus Dude, just hang up the ISIS flag and say ALL JEW and be done with it. Fuck Turkey, Fuck Turkey Tourism (any Russian in Turkey now deserves what they are about to get), fuck Turkish Construction, Fuck Turkish Airlines.
Fuck Turkey.
Why are Russia's big buddies in the Assad gov't purchasing ISIS petro?
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
Erdogan signed his own death warrant.
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Belovas says a note to protest the incident was handed over Friday to a high-ranking Russian diplomat.
Belovas says a Russian Antonov An-26 aircraft entered Estonian airspace Thursday without permission near the island of Vaindloo for less than a minute.
The incident was similar to a June 22 incursion near the same island, which lies next to a corridor that Russian military planes fly through to get from the St. Petersburg area to the Russian outpost of Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea.
Baltic Sea nations have reported repeated airspace violations by Russian aircraft in recent years amid increasing military activity by both NATO and Russian forces in the region.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/10/estonia-protests-another-russian...
a hasbara troll suddenly concerned with airspace violations - just not turkeys or israel's huh?
Fuck you, Jew.
I'm not aware of Putzin's pilots daring to cross into Israel. Are you?
"If Syria really implodes you will have chaos thousand times greater than south Lebanon"
We are headed there.
It appears that there are people in the world who really see an advantage in this strategy ... a major MidEast War.
I don't see how that type of outcome gives an advantage to anyone. But it will raise the price of oil ... that part is true.
IF this potentially turns into an oil war, I suggest folks look strongly at the CNG/LNG transportation companies like CLNE, WPRT, QTWW..
Because they represent the only true hedge against another oil disruption..
Scrutinizer
IF this potentially turns into an oil war, I suggest folks look strongly at the CNG/LNG transportation companies like CLNE, WPRT, QTWW..
Because they represent the only true hedge against another oil disruption..
Scrutinizer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/japan-airspace-violation-russia...
TOKYO -- Japan's defense minister on Friday accused two Russian fighter jets of intruding into Japanese air space, heightening regional tensions as Beijing denied Tokyo's claims that Chinese naval vessels had locked their weapons-targeting radar on to a Japanese destroyer last month.
Tokyo said two Russian Su-37 fighters entered Japanese air space off the northern tip of Hokkaido island for just over a minute Thursday, prompting Japanese air force jets to scramble to where the Russian jets were flying.
Russia denied any border violation, but Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said Friday that Tokyo will deal with the incident "strictly, within the bounds of international law."
The alleged intrusion happened when Japan was observing "Northern Territories Day," when it holds annual rallies urging Russia to return a series of islands off eastern Hokkaido captured at the end of World War II. The islands, called the Southern Kurils in Russia, are 400 kilometers (250 miles) southeast of where the incident took place.
In Beijing meanwhile, China's Defense Ministry issued a statement denying Japanese claims that Chinese naval vessels had locked their radar on to a Japanese destroyer and helicopter in two instances last month in the East China Sea.
The countries are embroiled in a territorial spat over a cluster over tiny, uninhabited islands – called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese – in the vicinity that are controlled by Japan but also claimed by China and Taiwan.
"The Japanese so-called claims that the Chinese navy locked on to Japanese ships and aircraft with fire control radar are not factual," the Chinese statement said.
It also accused Japan of repeatedly fabricating reports to smear China over the normal training actions of its military and building China up into an international threat.
"The Chinese side wishes that the Japanese side take practical actions, cease creating a tense atmosphere in the East China Sea, and refrain from issuing irresponsible statements," it said.
Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida rejected Beijing's denial as "completely unacceptable." He told reporters that a thorough review of data by the Defense Ministry confirmed that the Chinese naval ship and locked on with its weapons targeting radar.
The U.S. Navy has said that Chinese ships have in past switched on their fire control radar as a response to being hailed by U.S. ships. Experts say this underlines the need for better communication and coordination between navies.
The verbal back-and-forth comes amid the rise of China and to a lesser extent Russia's re-emergence as a major power in Asia, but doesn't point to an imminent military conflict, said Narushige Michishita, a security expert at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies in Tokyo. "That's been encouraging them to be more assertive and more active both on the diplomatic front and military front in this region."
Does the Zionist trolls hatred for Russia have to do with the fact pitin kicked out so many Jewish oligarchs?
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml
Or is falcolnflight a low level spy or sayan? Dis he celebrate on 9/11 too??
http://youtu.be/QphxGBXiA-M
I don't harbor "hatred" for Russia, but I sure don't pray of the Altar of Russian deception and duplicity that is the hallmark of its government ever since...
Do the Russians even have two Su-37s?
Turkey made an audio recording earlier today that has a "pilot" stating in perfect English, "Please, pretty please with sugar on top, don't fly over our country, we don't want to shoot you down, we really love Russian vodka so please, please, please get out of our airspace."
Did I say made an audio recording? I meant released the recording.
Russian life expectacy is pegged at number 122nd (Only 69 years) in the world, and Turkey is 67th. How many Russian planes were shot down to establish such a 3rd World figure? Bwaaaaaa 122nd
''We Hold the Real Power'
A Jewish Appeal to Russia's Jewish Elite
Most Russians have suffered terribly during the Yeltsin years. According to Harvard University scholar Graham Allison, who is also a former US assistant Secretary of Defense, ordinary Russians have experienced, on average, a 75 percent plunge in living standards since 1991 -- almost twice the decline in Americans' income during the Great Depression of the 1930s. But in the midst of this widespread economic misery, a small minority has grown fabulously wealthy since the end of the Soviet era.
Although Jews make up no more than three or four percent of Russia's population, they wield enormous economic and political power in that vast and troubled country. "At least half of the powerful 'oligarchs' who control a significant percentage of the economy are Jewish," the Los Angeles Times has cautiously noted. (See also: D. Michaels, "Capitalism in the New Russia," May-June 1997 Journal, pp. 21-27.)
Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov
Almost certainly the most important of the "oligarchs" is Boris A. Berezovsky, a former mathematics professor who heads the Logovaz financial-industrial group, which includes automobile imports and sales, aviation, oil and media. In 1997 Forbes magazine ranked him as one of the 100 richest people in the world, with an estimated net worth of $3 billion. His extensive media holdings include ORT television, the daily Nezavisimaya Gazeta ("Independent Journal"), and the weekly magazine Ogonek.
The second most powerful business figure is probably Vladimir Gusinsky. In addition to heading the "Most" banking group, he is also called "the Russian Rupert Murdoch" because of his large media empire, which includes the daily newspaper Sevodnya, the weekly news magazine Itogi, and the NTV television network. Gusinsky is also chairman of the Russian Jewish Congress.
Russia's current prime minister is Yevgeny Primakov, who was promoted from his post as foreign minister in September 1998. During the final phase of the Soviet era, he headed the KGB intelligence and security service, and served as a Politburo member. Early in his career, he dropped the obviously Jewish-sounding name he was born with, Yevgeny Finkelstein.
Many other Jews have played major roles in Russia's governmental and political life in recent years, among them Alexander Livshitz and Grigory Yavlinsky, presidential chief of staff Anatoly Chubais, deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov, and prime minister Sergei Kiriyenko.
Recently there has been considerable discussion among Russian intellectuals of a pointed appeal and frank warning to the Jews who now hold decisive power in that sprawling country. It was written by Eduard Topol, a gifted Jewish writer born in the former Soviet Union who now lives in the United States, where he has become a successful author. Among his English-language novels are The Jewish Lover (St. Martin's Press, 1998), Dermo! (Plume, 1997), Red Square (Quartet Books, 1983), Deadly Games (Quartet Books, 1983), and, Submarine U-137 (Quartet Books, 1983).
In his appeal, Topol urges Boris Berezovsky and the other Jewish magnates to forsake their lust for wealth and power, and start to show some concern for the Russian people who have suffered so much at the hands of these pitiless masters.
Here is the complete text of Topol's extraordinary "Open Letter to Berezovksy, Gusinsky, Smolensky, Khodorkovsky and other Oligarchs," translated for the Journal by Daniel Michaels from the text published in the respected Moscow paper Argumenty i Fakty ("Arguments and Facts"), No. 38, September 1998:
'Start To Love Russia, Boris Abramovich!'
Boris Berezovsky
It all started with a fax I sent to Boris Abramovich Berezovsky on June 26. It read:
"Dear Boris Abramovich! My publishers are of the opinion that the success of my books has been the direct result of the avid interest of Western readers in the actual personalities who have shaped contemporary Russian history: Brezhnev, Andropov, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the people around them.
"I am now working on a book completing the Russian panorama at the end of the 20th century, and it is quite obvious that a writer can find no better a story than your phenomenal biography, and no better a main character in the flow of today's cataclysmic events in Russia than Boris Berezovsky. I hope that you will understand how important our meeting would be in helping me to describe the individual most affecting the course of Russian history at the close of the 20th century ..."
Just two days later Berezovsky received me in his "Reception House" at 40 Novokuznetskaya Street. In this private residence, restored in modern luxurious Russian style, the best trained secretaries served me tea while passing to Berezovsky telephone receivers and notes from various ministers and presidential administrators.
Responding to my thanks for granting me the audience at such a hectic time, Boris Abramovich commented with a faint smile: "You would be writing the book in any case ..."
I understood that my visit was somewhat imposed on him so I got right to the point:
"Boris Abramovich, the real reason for writing this book is this. As you probably know there is a television show called 'The Puppets.' Puppets of Yeltsin, Yastrzhembsky, Chernomyrdin, Kulikov, and others perform. But the main puppeteer is behind the scenes -- his name is Shenderovich. And in real life there are Yeltsin, Kiriyenko, Fedorov, Stepashin and the others. But the main puppeteer has a long Jewish name: Berezovsky-Gusinsky- Smolensky-Khodorkovsky, and so on.
"This is to say that for the first time in a thousand years, since the first Jews settled in Russia, we hold the real power in this country. I want to ask you straight out: How do you intend to use it? What do you intend to do in this country? Cast it into the chaos of poverty or raise it from the mud? Do you understand that a chance like this comes only once in a thousand years? Do you understand your responsibility to our [Jewish] people for your actions?"
Boris Abramovich responded with some difficulty: "Of course, as you see, financial power is in Jewish hands, but we have never looked at this from the point of view of historical responsibility."
"You have never discussed this matter among your closest associates?"
"No. We have taken note of the disproportionality and have tried to put a strong financial oligarch of Russian ancestry in power. But nothing has ever come of it."
"Why not? And, by the way, how did it happen that almost all the money in this country has ended up in Jewish hands? Are there really no competent Russian financiers? In old [Tsarist] Russia there were some exceptional Russian commercial figures -- Morozov, Tretyakov ..."
"You know," Boris Abramovich said, "of course there are some very competent bankers among the Russians. But this profession requires a second very important factor -- the will power to do the job. Because of our history Jews know how to lose and then get back up on their feet again. This is probably a result of our historical experience. But even the most talented Russians don't have this ability. They can't take the blow, and they're completely out of the game after their first loss. It's regrettable."
"Let's say that is true [I replied]. But now, it's so happened that we the Jews have all the financial power, while the government is run by half-Jews like Kiriyenko and Chubais. Don't you realize the full measure of danger to which we subject our [Jewish] people in the event of Russia's total collapse? Anti-Semitic pogroms could turn into a new Holocaust."
"That's out of the question," Boris Abramovich said. "Do you know the percentage of anti-Semitism in Russia today? It is just eight percent! And that has been scientifically verified!"
Boris Abramovich, I am not going to publish at this time the entire content of our two meetings. There's no purpose in that. But in the two months that have elapsed since we first met, Russia has fallen into the financial abyss and is now but one step from the nightmare of social madness. And neither you (I mean you personally) nor any of the other Jewish oligarchs recognize this as a Jewish tragedy. It so happened that with the collapse of the USSR and the breakdown of the Soviet regime, you were able to come closer to the threshold than anyone else. Talent, Jewish acumen, and will power have enabled you to secure this success and to multiply it. But if you think that this is your personal due, you are tragically mistaken. And if you simply assume that you were chosen by God to become a super-financier and a super-oligarch, you are committing a grave sin.
Yes, we are God's chosen people -- we really are the people chosen by Him. But we were not chosen for personal enrichment, but only for the purpose of leading the peoples of the world out of barbarism and paganism into the world of the Ten Commandments of civilization: Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife ... And this process has not been completed by a long shot. Oh no! For that reason we have been given our talents, our acumen, quickness of mind, and that will power of which you are so proud. When each of us is up there, He the Almighty will not ask whether we have done well or poorly on Earth. He will only ask one question. He will say: "I gave you this talent. How did you use it?" Did you use it for the purpose I sent you, namely, to bring them into humanity, to civilize the people, to enlighten them? Or did you use My gift to fill your safe with a billion dollars and sleep with a million beautiful women?"
And we shall respond in accordance with the measure of the gift received, and our abilities to use it.
Of course, both you and I are atheists, Boris Abramovich, as are your fellow oligarchs. Therefore we do not fear punishment after death; we are above these childish and vulgar fears. As the people are wont to say "Don't teach me how to live, help me materially." All right, I will tell you quite materially. Let us forget for a moment the tens of thousands of Jews whom the new Russian Black Hundreds [Tsarist-era nationalists] will cut down in the first wave of pogroms, let us forget about their children and mothers. But even if, after having put them out of your mind, and you are able to fly out of Russia on your private aircraft, you will be finished. You will lose access to the levers of power and to the economy of this country; you will simply become refugees in a land with a foreign language. Believe me, for you this will be like death -- even if you have accounts in Swiss banks.
And because you still do not use your money, nor the gift God gave you for the good of this country and its people, the path you are following is suicidal.
And now let us remember, Boris Abramovich, all the other Jews and half-Jews living in this country. You know very well what happened in Germany when all German money fell into the hands of Jewish bankers, who were concerned only with power and multiplying their profits. Hitler appeared and it culminated in the Holocaust.
Today new Russian black shirts [nationalists] and fascists are rising up around you on the fertile soil of Russian misery. And if you want to know how this will end, watch the films of Auschwitz and look into the eyes of the children standing there behind the barbed wire. And the Germans were a highly civilized, great European people. Not one of their poets said: "A German uprising is frightful, senseless, and merciless."
So, do you seriously believe that in Russia today only eight percent of the people is anti-Semitic? Or do you really believe that pogroms are merely historical phantoms, anachronisms or, as you put it, "It's out of the question."
Crap, Boris Abramovich (pardon my Russian).
In 1953 I survived a pogrom in Poltava [Ukraine]. It was during the time of the "doctors' plot," and real pogroms had already started in the Poltava Podole. After barricading themselves in their apartments, several Jewish families in the center of the city were unable to go out onto the streets for three days. And when they finally dared, they could read on their front steps: "Jews, we're going to paint the roofs with your blood!" Therefore I know and remember how easily it starts. Just give the destitute and the aggrieved a guarantee of immunity from penalty, and they will commit arson, rape, and steal anywhere -- in Poltava, Moscow, and even Los Angeles.
I was born and grew up in Baku [Azerbaijan], Boris Abramovich. I have a friend who was fantastically rich even during the Soviet period, at a time when you were living on 120 rubles as a [Ph.D.] candidate of science, and using your friend's one-room flat for your carnal pleasures. However, one day in the middle of the night his family woke him up and said: "Some people have come and want to talk to you." He got up, dressed and went outside. Two sobbing Azerbaijani women were standing in the entrance way. They said: "Leonid, help us. Our father has died and is in the hospital morgue, and the doctors are about to open him up [autopsy] before burial. But our Muslim law forbids it. We beg you, we beseech you -- stop them. Help us get our father's body back undisturbed!"
My friend went to the hospital and found the physician on duty, who also happened to be Azerbaijani. My friend said to him: "How can you, an Azerbaijani yourself, violate the laws of your own people. How can you bear it that I, a Jew, has come here to ask you to respect your own Muslim traditions?" He gave the doctor a bribe and ransomed, as it were, the body of the girls' father. It couldn't have been otherwise.
Those women knew who to turn to for help. My friend had a reputation in all of Baku for his acts of charity. Do you know how this favor was returned? Years later, when pogroms against Armenians began in Baku, my friend's fiancee, who happened to be Armenian, fled her home and hid in her grandmother's flat. He came for her to get her out of Baku. But on the way to the airport she said that she wanted to see her home again for the last time. "It's all smashed up, destroyed, I was there." "I don't care. Please take me there. I want a final farewell look at my home." He took her to her home.
The fence was broken, the garden torn up, the house had been torched and was destroyed. She walked about in the ruins and retrieved some family photographs and crockery that was still intact. At that very instant, an infuriated mob of pogromists entered the courtyard. One of her neighbors had informed them that the Armenian woman had returned. "Have you ever seen the face of an enraged mob?" Leonid asked me.
"They went directly at us. My fiancee stood behind me and I felt sure that we would be murdered. There were about two hundred in the mob. Their hands clutched hammers, pipe sections, clubs. I was carrying a pistol, but I knew that I would not even be able to get my hand in my pocket in time.
"Suddenly, at the last moment, when someone was already waving his club or pipe at us, an old man jumped out in front and shouted in Azerbaijani: 'Stop it. I know this man. He has always been good to us. I swear on my ancestors, all Baku knows this. He must leave here unharmed.' And, just imagine, the pogrom mob began to step aside and make a free path through which Ada and I could pass through to my automobile. We got in and left for the airport."
You are an intelligent man, Boris Abramovich. I'm sure you already understand why I've told the story about my friend. Every Jew should act in the same way. The money that God has granted us, whether during feudalism, socialism, or capitalism, was not in fact given to us, but rather it is to be funnelled through us to the peoples among whom we live. Only then will our riches truly multiply according to His will. And only then are we truly Jews.
Today, the people among whom we reside live in a calamitous state. Poverty, chaos, desperation, hunger, unemployment, and looting by officials and bandits alike prevail. Our beloved Russian women walk the streets. For God's sake, chip in a billion or two.
Don't act like a Jew. Help this nation along in its bloody transition from Communism to civilization. And don't just give money, contribute your brains, talents, skills, your God-given and natural acumen. Use all your strength, will power, position, and wealth to save Russia from total collapse and rid Russia of its Soviet-camp morality and ethics. The people you save will protect you from pogroms, and your mothers, your Jewish mothers, will wish you a quiet mazel tov.
Otherwise, another Klimov [a familiar anti-Jewish writer] will one day write a book called "Jewish Power" about how the Jews exterminated the Russian people. Do you really want that, all you Boris Oligarchovichs?
Some Reactions to Topol's 'Open Letter'
Daniel W. Michaels
For reasons both historical and contemporary, relations between Russians and Jews are now so tense and emotion-laden that many Jews, both in Russia and the United States, fear that Topol's appeal will promote anti-Jewish sentiment among Russians, and could even provoke new pogroms.
The nationally-circulated New York Jewish weekly Forward (October 9, 1998, p. 5) reports that the chief editor of the paper's Russian edition, Vladimir Yedidovich, suspects that Topol's appeal is part of an anti-Jewish conspiracy. Unnamed parties may have commissioned Topol to write the article, the Forward editor believes, to direct Russian wrath against Jews. "Doesn't it seem to you," says Yedidovich, "that the idea behind the article is a provocation of such a large scale that it simply could not have been born in a 'writer's lab' of even such a scandalous writer like Topol?"
Indeed, some Russians have already responded to the "open letter" with bitter but perhaps understandable anti-Jewish hostility. Writing in Zavtra ("Tomorrow"), the main opposition newspaper (No. 40/ 253, Sept. 6, 1998), Vladimir Bondarenko comments:
This [open letter] is not a Russian-Jewish dialogue. This is an argument between Jews on how best to protect Jewish interests. Personally I have nothing against Eduard Topol in this matter. Every true patriot is naturally concerned foremost about his own people. But, why on Earth does a Russian mass-circulation newspaper, rather than, say, Tankred Golenpolsky's Yevreyskaya gazeta ["Jewish Journal"], publish this Jewish-Jewish argument?...
I can see only one good thing in this, and that is that it is time to do away with censorship concerning the Jewish question. Because Argumenty i Fakty has seen fit to raise the question of Jewish domination of our government and of Jewish financial power in our country, it is long since time to have a normal, open Russian-Jewish dialogue on these most sensitive topics in all of Russia's major newspapers. If today the Jew Topol can discuss these problems, the Russian Klimov should have the same opportunity ...
Arrogance, Jewish racial arrogance permeates Topol's article ... He is convinced that the Jews should rule the world ...
Topol is patently wrong when he says that this is the first time in a thousand years that the Jews have had real power in Russia. Lev Trotsky's power in 1918 far exceeded that of Berezovsky today. Jewish commissars and Cheka agents at that time determined almost everything in this country for an entire epoch. That was in fact the first attempt at totally remaking the Russian Orthodox mentality ...
Topol does not conceal the fact that both he and Berezovsky are atheists. For this same atheist writer to refer to himself as chosen by God shows he knows nothing about his own history or religion ... The Jews still argue among themselves as to whether Jewry is a nationality or a religion ... And just what is the relationship of adherents to Judaism to modern civilization and, more specifically, to Christian civilization?... Christ came to the Jews, but they rejected him. Jews do not accept Christ, and are still waiting for their Messiah. But because they have rejected Him, they are no longer the chosen people ... What does Eduard Topol mean by the expression "chosen by God," and into what civilization does he want to force the Orthodox Russian people? We don't need your services to civilization. We understand your fears perfectly. For the financial suffocation of Russia, for the cold and the hunger attributable to Berezovsky and his ilk, [you fear that] the dispossessed, tormented people might take their revenge on your innocent fellow Jews. However, you will not be saved merely by the Jews assuming a more humane attitude to the Russian barbarians, as you propose, but only when your fellow Jews, especially those in power, have adopted a sincere respect for Russian civilization, Russian culture, and Russian traditions. Long ago it was said that "he who comes to us with the sword, shall perish by the sword." [All the same,] the experience and knowledge of Russian Jews who really do consider themselves a part of Russian society is always beneficial for the rebirth of our great nation.
Also writing in the weekly Zavtra, Vladimir Galushin notes that if a piece like Topol's open letter had appeared in the patriotic Russian media, one could expect it to be widely condemned as anti-Semitic. But given that Jews themselves acknowledge that they do indeed control Russia today, this fact cannot be refuted or discounted. Galushin sees elements of a "Jewish fascism" in such writings. This fascism is manifest in the small group of oligarchs who want to rule Russia. Fascist philosophy, he contends, means the racial superiority of one group over another, the ideology of power over other countries, even over the world. When the Yeltsin government and the Western media express fears of fascism in Russia, Galushin argues, it is not Russian fascism they should address, but Jewish fascism.
Women buying biscuits at an open air market in Moscow. Ordinary Russians have suffered, on average, a 75 percent drop in living standards since 1991, according to Harvard University scholar Graham Allison, a former assistant Secretary of Defense. That's almost twice the decline in the income of Americans during the Great Depression of the 1930s.
Jewish power in Russia, Galushin continues, has resulted in millions of homeless children, widespread tuberculosis and cholera, a shortage of medicines, cheating retirees of their pensions, suicide in the armed forces, and the death of science. What do the Gusinskys, the Berezovskys, the Chubais, the Nemtsovs, the Kiriyenkos, the Smolenskys, the Livshits, and the Gaidars say about this? Millions of Russians have perished under their rule. Are the Russian people ready to judge these scoundrels for their crimes, Galushin asks.
And Viktor Trostnikov, likewise responding to Topol in an article entitled "The World Will Not Belong to You," states bluntly and unambiguously: "The world is still not yours, and it will never be yours, because Russia will never be yours."
It would be a mistake to suppose that such sentiments are highly unusual, or represent only extreme right-wing views.
The newspaper Zavtra is the voice of the nationalists who hold the great majority of seats in Russia's Duma (parliament). These include the deputies of the reconstituted Russian Communist Party, headed by Gennady Zyuganov, which has abandoned internationalism and orthodox Marxism-Leninism, and might be more accurately be called the "National Communist" party. In the Duma, "reformers" and those who support Yeltsin's government are in a decided minority.
And in addition to such periodicals as Zavtra, today in Russia there are scores of truly "extremist" publications that may aptly be described as fascistic or neo-Nazi.
Thus, Berezovsky's remark that anti-Semites make up only eight percent of Russia's population is off the mark. While this figure may accurately reflect the percentage of Russians who are openly hostile to Jews, the percentage of those who are covertly anti-Jewish, or who hate the (mostly Jewish) oligarchs, is certainly much higher.
In sharp contrast to the intense feelings expressed by such Russian writers over the catastrophic situation in their country today is the seeming indifference of American and German taxpayers who have unwittingly channeled billions of dollars and marks to the oligarchs -- who in turn have transferred this largesse to secret Swiss accounts. Who monitors the distribution of these billions through the World Bank, the IMF, the financial houses, and various banks? Who is responsible for this terrible injustice?'
From The Journal of Historical Review, November/December 1998 (Vol. 17, No. 6), pages 13-18.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n6p13_Michaels.html
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people commenting Putin is not being aggressive enough.
america has politicians on the floor of congress pointing out Obamas complicity in forming, training, arming, and funding isis with one hand, and al-Qaida with the other.
world exposure of a nato country," via the presidents son" buying illegal isis oil for their funding, and trading for militarized weapons, and hopefully soon we'll know the final destination of millions of barrels of cheap illegal oil.
knowledge of a nato country manufacturing fake visas to ensure the free flow of jihadist into e.u., nato countries.
and more, and more info. being brought out daily into the open the extent govts. will take to achieve the NWO agenda for the .00000000000001%, human lives are the cheapest tool, to buy or kill in the agenda.
I know Americans will hear or read maybe 1% of what's going on, courtesy of the msm, but the rest of the world," especially e.u. citizens will read, and hear the truth and will connect the dots, they've been where americas heading, and can digest the truth, and spot trouble coming.
I'd say Putin being involved in Syria fighting isis for a month, he's accomplished a lot.
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Putin wins again - It's habitual !