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Russia Says Turkey's Attack On Jet Was "Planned Provocation" As Ankara Moves Tanks Near Syrian Border
On Tuesday evening, we took a close look at the circumstances surrounding Turkey’s decision to shoot down a Russian Su-24 near the Syrian border. The incident was the most meaningful escalation in the conflict to date and marks the first time a Russian or Soviet plane has been downed by NATO since 1953.
The pilots ejected, one of whom was shot in his parachute by FSA-affiliated Alwiya al-Ashar militiamen who subsequently celebrated over the body. About an hour later, the FSA's 1st Coastal Brigade used a US-made TOW to destroy a Russian search and rescue helicopter, killing one Russian marine.
For his part, Vladimir Putin called Erdogan a backstabber and proceeded to accuse Turkey of flying the black flag of ISIS and funding the Islamic State cause by facilitating the sale of illegal crude.
Miraculously, there were no further escalations overnight, but as we outlined in detail on Tuesday, something doesn’t add up about the story Ankara is telling. According to a letter Turkey sent to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the 15 members of the UN Security Council, the Russian warplane, flying at 19,000 feet, “violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds.” If you do the math on that, it means the Su-24 was basically flying at stall speed.
Journalists: Learn to do basic maths. Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) November 24, 2015
Here's how we summed up the situation:
It's important not to forget the context here. Ankara is fiercly anti-Assad and in addition to being generally displeased with Russia's efforts to support the regime, just four days ago, Turkey summoned Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov over the alleged bombing of Turkish villages near the border.
Of course Russia wasn't just bombing Turkish civilians for the sheer hell of it. It's likely Moscow was targeting the very same FSA-affiliated Alwiya al-Ashar militiamen who shot and killed the parachuting Russian pilot.
In short, it looks like Ankara saw an opportunity to shoot down a Russian jet in retaliation for strikes on Turkish rebel fighters who are operating alongside anti-Assad forces.
With that in mind, note that on Wednesday, Sergei Lavrov (not known for holding his tongue or even for observing any semblance of diplomatic decorum) accused Ankara of conducting a pre-meditated strike. "We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation,” Lavrov said, after a meeting with his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu. Lavrov also said he would back a plan to close the Turkish-Syrian border. "I think this is the right desicion. I hope President Hollande will tell us more about the issue tommorow. We would be ready to consider all measures that needed for this [closing the border]. By closing the border we will basically thwart the terrorist threat in Syria," he said.
Russia also said the Syrian army (so, Iran or Hezbollah) had retrieved the second pilot who is now "alive and well." Here's how French ambassador Alexandre Orlov summed up the situation in an interview with Europe 1 radio: “One on board was wounded when he parachuted down and killed in a savage way on the ground by the jihadists in the area. The other managed to escape and, according to the latest information, has been picked up by the Syrian army and should be going back to the Russian air force base.”
Note the difference in the way Russia and the US describes the FSA. For the US, they are a "moderate opposition group," for the Russians, they are "jihadists." Considering they are allied with al-Qaeda, and judging from the gruesome videos released by the group on Tuesday, you'd be forgiven if you're inclined to go with Moscow's characterization.
Meanwhile, Russia is set to deploy the S-400s. "Russia also said Wednesday it would take new measures in Syria to protect its aircraft, deploying powerful S-400 anti-air missile systems, which have a range of nearly 250 miles, to Russia’s Khmeimim airbase in northwestern Syria," WaPo reports, adding that "the airbase is located a little under 20 miles from the Turkish border, and has the potential to create headaches for Turkish and other aircraft in a U.S.-led coalition that are carrying out a separate airstrike campaign in Syria."
These are of course the same S-400s which the Western media claimed were already at Latakia earlier this month - a contention Russia denied at the time. Whether or not they were there is now immaterial - they'll be operational from this point on. As a reminder, here's what the systems look like:
What seems clear (as noted above and as discussed at length on Tuesday), is that Turkey is keen on protecting Alwiya al-Ashar and other anti-Assad forces operating near the Turkish border. Indeed, Sergei Lavrov said as much in a press briefing on Wednesday. "[The] question arises whether Turkey is defending Syria area to protect rebel infrastructure," Lavrov said at a press briefing in Moscow on Wednesday.
Indeed, Ankara looks to be stepping up its military presence near the area where the Russian plane was shot down. "Turkey has moved 20 tanks from west of country to southern province of Gaziantep, bordering Syria, and increased number of F-16s flying patrols along border to 18 as of yesterday," state-run Anadolu Agency said today. Here's a visual that shows you where Gaziantep is in relation to Aleppo and to the Su-24 crash site:
The logical next question to ask here is how prepared Turkey is to defend FSA positions because it's only a matter of time before the IRGC and Hezbollah invade these areas on the ground and when that happens, you can expect Ankara to cry genocide against Syria's Turkmen miniority. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
In the meantime, Lavrov says Russia "is not going to war against Turkey," but remember what we said last month when Turkey shot down a Russian drone: "For now, it appears as though The Kremlin is going to take this one in stride, but that may be "strike one" so to speak, meaning NATO might have one or two more pot shots it can take before Erdogan gets a slightly less "neighborly" call from Moscow."
Tuesday was strike two.
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By losing one of last partners who so far didn't join EU sanctions against Russia (and helped out with products that was not imported from EU anymore) and was suppose to be partner for major gas deal (Turkish Stream)?
What have he won?
Were there any Israeli Jews caught celebrating with cameras set up?
http://youtu.be/QphxGBXiA-M
were there?
Brother Nathaniel asks 'Is ISIS good for The Jews?" He covers the moderate opposition, the FSA who say they will 'slaughter the Alawites' (i.e. Assad)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaTjSKjJe0
Syrian Kurds are ready to start cooperation with Russia to combat terrorism in the country, Salih Muslim Muhammad, the leader of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), said.
“Until now we haven’t had the opportunity to establish cooperation with Russia. But we would be happy if such opportunity appears. Russia hasn’t yet approached our region as it is active in the West. I think in the future we’ll be able to establish a dialogue on military cooperation with the Russian side," he told Sputnik.
Russian's make a heavy delivery to Alan's Snackbar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQsxnwphNzU
Russian warplanes violated the airspace of NATO member Turkey on Oct. 3 and four during strike missions against Syrian opposition targets in Syria.
"A Russian military delegation headed by Air Force Major General (Sergey) Dronov came to the General Staff headquarters and shared information to clarify reasons behind the violations, and to prevent repetition of such violations," said the statement released by the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces.
Relations between Turkey and Russia have been strained following the start of air strikes by the Russian military against the Islamic State (IS) and other anti-regime groups.
Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov in Ankara has been summoned to the Turkish Foreign Ministry for several times over the incidents of airspace violations by Russian jets.
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has said he does not want the Syrian conflict turning into a crisis between NATO and Russia, nor into a dispute between Turkey and Russia.
— (Xinhua)
RFE Tuesday 24th November, 2015
A former U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) employee convicted in 1986 of spying for the Soviet Union is set to be freed after three decades in federal custody.U.S. government prison-release records show that the sentence of Ronald Pelton, 74, expires on November 24.
Pelton, a former NSA intelligence communications specialist, was arrested in November 1985 on charges of selling signals intelligence to the Soviets for $35,000.
U.S. prosecutors have said a Soviet KGB defector tipped authorities off about Pelton, who was subsequently convicted and sentenced in 1986 to three life terms by a federal judge who said he had betrayed a "special position of trust."
The KGB agent who fingered Pelton later returned to Moscow, The Associated Press reported.
The secrets that Pelton sold to Moscow included information about Operation Ivy Bells, a plan by U.S. intelligence to tap Soviet communications cables that had been laid under the ocean.
A U.S. Bureau of Prisons spokesman told The Associated Press that Pelton was transferred during the past year from a federal prison to a halfway house and then to home confinement.
Based on reporting by The Associated Press and the Washington Free Beacon
did you go to the Pollard release party, Ziotroll?
"he had betrayed a "special position of trust."
Cops do the same thing on a daily basis.
Russia is going to get its ass handed on a plate in Syria ....
It has overplayed a weak hand and caught in a well set up trap , incompetent political leadership uses arrogance Instead of intelligence.
In a few short weeks Russia has lost a plane load of innocent Russian civilians, a military jet, a helicopter, and a few Russian soldiers.
let's see what the next few weeks bring to mama bear
In my crystal ball I see attacks by radicals in Russia , Turkish intervention in Syria with US support ... Soon to the nearly bankrupt bear will run for Siberia ....
Fool
I think not. But I will have to wait and see if the so-called moderate rebels return the pilot's body. Then we'll all see whether that sewing circle of moderate rebels cannibalized or vented their anger on the dead pilot's corpse. If the body is not returned or is mutilated then Russia will no longer recognize them as anything but enemy. I don't have to tell you what that means.
Before that litany of sabotage and loss, Russia was somewhat restricted as to what the Brotherhood of Nations considered necessary for the Russian deployment in Syria.
Now they have a guided missile cruiser off Latakia, a lot more jets, certainly more S-400s, more missile defense, probably more men.
How terrible it was that all those dreadful things you mentioned forced poor Russia to have to gird its loins thusly, with missiles that all the armies of the world envy.
The Pilot was made Hero of Russia. I don't think they expect to get the body back. Their best bet is to bomb the Turkmen into oblivion and try to find even a small relic. As for Russia getting its ass handed to them, I think the real threat is the S-400 shooting a NATO jet out of the sky. Now that Cameron wants the RAF to fly cover for Turkey that is looking more and more likely.
Then all bets are off as WWIII has started/.
No body back.
Today the Russians announced heavy bombing of the area where their plane went down. The body of the Russian pilot will have been destroyed.
Russia is so utterly 3rd World that even Bangladesh has a better life expectancy that Putzin's Place. Bangladesh!? Russia is dying; rapid decline in birth rates And decline in life expectancy. Maybe their Muslim population will 'save' the memory of the Rus and the Moscovey.
"Utterly 3rd World."
Put down the cheap wine for a minute.
Right now the fabulash 1st world is completely dependent on Russia to get to their awesome Space Station, half of which belongs to the Russian Federation and which can be disassembled with proper notice.
Hyperbole sticks in your mouth like a hot dog sideways
Video of the Turk Aspalen Celik, who instigated the execution of the parachuting pilot. He is the son of the former mayor of the city of Keban in the province of Elazig (central Turkey). He is also supposedly a member of the Turkish Fascist militia Gray Wolves (possibly Gladio supported?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbxdAbUfNg
Some TurkISIS thugs whining about the weapon run being taken out by Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nScp0GcszM
wasn't , Mehmet Ali Agca a member of the Grey Wolves when he tried in 1981 to Kill the Pope?
Vladimir Putin cranked his provocations against neighboring states up another notch Friday when Russian border guards seized a Lithuanian fishing boat from international waters while the Swedish Foreign Ministry protested a "serious violation" of its airspace by Russian bombers on Wednesday.
Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius said via Twitter that Russia's ambassador had been summoned as a result of the seizure of the Lithuanian boat and its crew:
Indeed it was a busy day for Russian ambassadors as Sweden also demanded an explanation for a violation of its airspace by two Russian bombers on Wednesday - the latest in a series of violations that experts believe bear the hallmarks of trial bombing runs.
"A serious violation of Swedish territory took place on Wednesday 17 September 2014 when two Russian combat aircraft entered and exited Swedish airspace south of Öland. Russia has thereby violated the Ordinance concerning the Admission to Swedish Territory of Foreign State Vessels and State Aircraft," a statement said.
Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt confirmed the demand via Twitter:
On Thursday, NATO planes based in Lithuania scrambled to intercept two more Russian bombers detected close to Latvian airspace.
The latest border-related provocations come just two weeks after Russia's security serviced kidnapped one of their Estonian counterparts from Estonian territory on September 5 - an action clearly designed to send a signal, coming as it did less than 48 hours after US President Barack Obama had visited Estonia and guaranteed the security of the Baltic states.
According to unofficial sources, LSM understands the Russian ambassador to Estonia has been summoned in connection with the incident four times - and has failed to show up on each occasion.
http://www.lsm.lv/en/article/politics/russia-hijacks-lithuanian-boat-pra...
"Trial bombing runs of Sweden"
Not that any post by feckedinflight has any credibility, but the idea of Russia bombing Sweden is about as crack-smoke induced as one can get. FF is reaching into the depths of new lows.
Given what’s happened recently I thought I’d try to lighten the mood a bit with a little joke about the Crimea, but then I decided against it because it’s a little too dark.
As if it wasn’t embarrassing enough having Russia’s crown jewel blacked out all because a couple of towers were knocked down, in turn revealing the fact that the peninsula was still dependent on the hated “Ukropy,” Turkey went and pissed all over Putin’s latest attempt to portray Russia as a world military power. And while panic-mongering predictions of WWII weretotally unrealistic, believe me, the buttrage is big this time. After all, this is a NATO country shooting down a Russian aircraft with an American-made F16. So while the Russian government, including prime minister Dmitry Medvedev, issued tough statements about consequences for Turkey, the only results we have seen so far are the typical passive-aggressive, more or less impotent economic measures we’ve seen with the EU, Ukraine, and other Russian neighbors who refuse to put up with the Kremlin’s bullshit and treat Russia like some kind of great power.
So Turkish-Russian relations have fallen apart, again. No big deal. They weren’t really that great before. Sure, there’s tourism, but I’ve had Turks tell me about various protectionist measures against their country by the Russian government years ago. When Putin made a big deal about the new “Turkish Stream” pipeline during his state visit to Turkey on 1 December 2014, the Russia press predictably made a big fanfare about it. Putin’s done it again! Another country is turning its back on the West and turning toward Russia! Then, as with their deal with China, the pipeline project immediately ran into serious trouble.
Obviously Turkey and Russia have a great deal of cooperation, and this isn’t limited to the tourism business. Turkish firms are all over Russia, particularly in construction. Cancelling their projects would hurt Russia just as much, if not more so. But as the “counter-sanctions” of 2014 taught us, this is not a government run by rational, well-informed men. The vatniks are furious and will get even angrier if they don’t see blood. While they won’t be satisfied, Putin is more than capable of making more economic blunders that will dick the country up even more.
The funny thing about Russia and Turkey is that for all their inability to get on well with each other, they have so much in common. I became interested in Turkey and Turkic peoples after moving to Russia, and for me one of the most glaring commonalities is that Turkey occupies a similar role in my heart to that of Russia. I love the countries and the people, but I hate their governments. The resemblance goes deeper, however. What we’re looking at here is a conflict which could arguably be called “Clash of the Dickheads.”
Both countries are run by conservative dictators who make up the rules as they go along to remain in power. Both dictators are extremely corrupt and believed to possess large fortunes of ill-gotten wealth. In terms of electoral fraud and corruption, Turkey often gives Russia a run for its money. Turkey is also much harder on journalists and much more quick to resort to censorship. Turkey famously banned Twitter in an attempt to stop the dissemination of information about a corruption scandal between then prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Youtube has been banned numerous times in Turkey, the most recent being in April of this year.
Whereas Russia sees itself as a global superpower, it is only able to act in a very limited way within a very limited area that it sees as its natural sphere of influence. Turkey does not have the same pretensions, but it definitely sees itself as a regional power. Russia intervened in Ukraine because doing so was assumed to be their right. Ditto with Turkey in Syria. Both have justified their interventions by claiming a need to protect ethnic brethren on the other side of their borders.
Erdogan and the AK Party have been notorious for deepening the influence of religion in what used to be a highly secular state. Putin has also been breaking down Russia’s secular legacy, in violation of the constitution’s very clear establishment of separation between church and state. The AK Party in Turkey is associated with the glorification and idealization of the Ottoman Empire. While naive or ignorant pundits constantly characterize Putin as trying to rehabilitate and glorify the Soviet Union, there has been a steady undercurrent of rehabilitating and promoting the Russian Empire. Annexing the Crimea, denying the existence of Ukrainians as a nation, and attempting to partition the country are all the actions of a revived Russian Empire and not a Soviet Union.
In this latest scandal, Turkmen rebel forces essentially executed an unarmed Russian pilot who was unable to defend himself. While these particular rebels are not jihadists like the thugs of Al Nusra and certainly not ISIS, what they did to the pilot was a genuine war crime, and Turkey has been backing them. Likewise, in Ukraine Russia armed and supported thugs like Givi and Motorola, the former being caught on camera abusing and torturing prisoners and the latter claiming in an interview that he executed prisoners. And speaking of illegal invasions and annexations, Turkey has been backing a pseudo-state on Cyprus since 1974, but to Turkey’s credit, unlike Russia they’ve managed to keep their colony supplied with both electricity and water.
Both countries got into this mess because of the dishonest way they have elected to wage war beyond their borders. Turkey had warned Russia about violating its airspace before, but the best evidence outside of Russia suggests that if the SU-24 did indeed violate said airspace, they did so only for a matter of seconds. Turkey would not have been in any danger had they taken a more cautious approach. The rapid decision to engage and fire on the Russian plane has been labeled an “overreaction.” Meanwhile, had Russia’s air force actually been engaged in bombing ISIS positions instead of anybody ISIS, that plane shouldn’t have been anywhere near the Turkish border. I shudder to think what those pilots would have encountered had they been shot down over ISIS territory. Ideally, they’d have been shot down over Ukraine and eject there. Then they’d definitely be alive.
When all’s said and done, I have to say I’m a little surprised by all this. First of all I didn’t think Russia was going to get deeply involved in Syria, given the amount of personnel and equipment they put in the country and the fact that Russia’s own goal in Ukraine is already too much of a burden to start a really decisive campaign. As such, I tended to disregard those predictions that Syria would become another Afghanistan. I could see that eventually happening, but I thought that was a long way off. Hell, I expected that any Russian planes falling out of the skies over Syria would be due to more technical failures rather than enemy action. Now it’s happening a bit more quickly. A Russian helicopter sent to rescue the remaining pilot was destroyed, killing a Russian marine. Grisly videos of the rebels shooting at the ejected pilot surfaced, along with video of rebels gloating over his dead body in an image reminiscent of the Chechen Wars or the US debacle in Mogadishu back in 1993. The Syrian campaign might have begun as just another slick reality show for the cameras, but now it’s definitely gone off script.
Once again, you’re not going to see an outpouring of rage directed at the authorities any time soon, at least not while people can still chuck rocks at the Turkish embassy as they did in Moscow today, but trouble is on the horizon. The vatniks want blood that their master Putin cannot deliver to them. What is worse, Russia has no good exit strategy from this new war. Virtually every possible outcome will look like failure, and indeed whatever the details, it will end in failure because there was never any hope for victory. Russia’s not going to get rid of ISIS, and the rest of the anti-ISIS coalition is likely to stamp them out in the near future. As long as they are there, something is wrong. The best they can hope for is some political decision that leaves Assad in charge of some kind of rump state which will keep the Russian bases already there, but that agreement can easily fall apart very quickly.
Russia’s unlikely to lose a lot of men and material in this conflict, but they stand to lose face. Inability to bring victory or significantly change the situation on the ground may look like impotence. And why not? Russia just got slapped in the face by at best, a second-rate NATO member, and there’s really nothing they can do about it but shake their fists and make threats than Turkey need not fear. Cancel the Turkish Stream? Obviously if the Turks valued that project so much they wouldn’t have been throwing up all kinds of obstacles to its construction.
In the end, the lesson is that if you want to act like a superpower, you’d better be able to back it up with action. Far from opposing what they see as American imperialism, the Kremlin and its supporters admire and envy it. What they don’t understand is that imperialism is fundamentally bad, and even if we ignore that, being an empire has certain prerequisites which Russia simply lacks. The blame can be laid squarely at the feet of Putin and his cronies, because however much they value the idea of a Russian superpower making history all over the globe, they valued stealing and material wealth more.
UPDATE!!!
You know when I wrote this, I was being a bit closed minded and remembered that we need to “question more,” as RT says. And that’s when it hit me. I remembered the totally believable evidence Russia put forth in its many investigations of the MH17 disaster, and I realized that there’s good reason to question the “official story” and conclude that the Russian air force shot its own plane down.
What is my basis for this belief? Well as the long time reader is no doubt aware, Russia’s alternative explanation for the downing of MH17 was that a Ukrainian air force Su-25 was responsible for the crime…except when it was a Ukrainian Buk SAM…but then it was a Su-25 again…but then it was a bomb on the plane…then a Su-25…then a Buk. Well you get the idea. The thing is that the Russian Ministry of Defense claimed there was a Su-25 in the sky in the vicinity of MH17. Nobody else can confirm this, but we can trust a government ministry which has been caught in plenty of lies in the past because this is Russia, not the Pentagon.
As it turns out, there are at least 12 Russian Su-25s operating in Syria, some of them no doubt covering the same territory in which the Su-24 was shot down. So can we rule out that the Russians shot down their own plane as a false flag? If not, why not? I’m just asking questions, folks.
That was an enjoyable, well informed, read.. Thanks!!
One of the other aspects, other than the NatGas pipelines that has Iran vying in a power play with Qatar and Saudi Arabia is the fact that there just cannot be any hope of a political settlement so long as Assad stays in power.
How can there be when Assad represents a bare 10% of the population (Alawite) while the other 90% Sunni, and their tribal governments remain left out in the lurch? All the tribes may resent ISIS and Al Qaida, but that is all they have to thwart the Iranian Perisian, and Shi'a Arab encirclement that they see around them. Iraqi Shi'as the East, with increasing Iranian Persian presence.. Iranian Quds Force directly in Syria, alongside Shi'a Arab Hizballah fighters.. To the Sunnis, this looks like a fight for their lives.. (and btw, I'm not a big Sunni supporter, but I'm being objective here)..
We know that ISIS leadership has a lot of former Iraqi Bathists who never really got along with the Assads (their being Alawite/Shi'a). We know ISIS hates the Shi'a most of all (along with all other Takfiris).. So this gives them a lot of "street cred" among the Sunni tribes.. This represents the best leverage they've ever had against the Assads...
But for those Sunni tribes to reject ISIS, and rise up as they did in 2005 in the "Anbar Awakening", they need Iran and it's proxies eliminated from Syria.. THEN we might see the Sunni tribes rise up and oust ISIS.. Because Tribes are EVERYTHING in Syria and Iraq. They are more power than ISIS..
And Turkey also wants to be rid of Iran's presence in Syria. Erdogan wants to extend his power into Syria, possibly even re-inventing the Ottoman Empire.. And they are not about to permit Putin to prop up Iran's proxies, or permit Assad to stay in power.
Remove Assad and I betcha Erdogan will then agree to go postal on ISIS.. Because he's not about to bow down to some usurper to the Caliphate title.. He wants that for himself.. But then that will be another can of worms to deal with..
Putin has only a few cards to play here because he's dreadfully outnumbers on the ground by the Turks with their thousands of tanks and hundreds of aircraft, as well as control over the Bosphorus straits, through which Russian supplies must flow (they can't fly everything in through Iran)..
Putin can start to give support to the Kurds, via Iran.. Barzani has constantly been looking for the proper dance partner to win Kurdish autonomy and independence. Of course, doing so will then lend Turkey towards supporting Ukraine, considering Turkey has an interest in the Turkmen/Tatar population of Crimea. That power outage you smartly mentioned shows how vulnerable Putin is..
And whatever Putin's righteous indignation over Syria, he has no leg to stand on when it comes to Turkey defending the Turkmen population in norther Syria.. After all, isn't this the same argument has attempted to make in Ukraine? That he's defending ethnic Russians living there?
Bottom line.. Assad has to go and an appropriate power-sharing arrangement has to be created that will incentivise Sunni Syrians to rise up against ISIS.. because neither ISIS, nor Al Qaida, have any true role to play in the future of Syria (though they may think otherwise)..
Scrutinizer
Duh.
Turkey already admitted (boasted) they shot down the plane.
And your asking if it is a false flag from Russia?
Idiot
In short, get lost, louse.
Copypaste, you paid for it a potato.
See the level of stoned moron...
What an ignorant asshole you are.
Didn't you think that the Russians and Crimeans knew that those two towers could be easily brought down?
It must have been a "shock" (that's a pun, idiot) to you, but it had always been expected by the Kremlin.
We got neither apologizes yet from turks, nor assistance to obtain the body our pilot murdered by "moderate rebels" funded by turks.
Tanks are nothing but Coffins. If that's the best Turkey can do. They're Fucked. Absolutely Fucked...
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Interesting. It seems groups of the SAA and NDF (Syrian National Defense Force) have taken up positions in the Golan Heights.
http://www.russiadefence.net/t4689p255-syrian-civil-war-news-4#137813
Israel: Your move. You ignore and even help ISIS forces in the Golan. Are you going to go full TurkTard and attack these legitimate Syrian forces?
Interesting indeed. NATO/Turkey/Israel shared nuclear capabilities; Destruction of Damascus in Isaiah 17. Stocks still GREEN in the final hour so it's all good for the Thanksgiving Holiday Weekend.
the bear just woke up....just in from the turk / syria border
Russia unleashes its anger at jihadis in Hama countryside wed 25 nov 7.30pm
snackbar warning...hells filling up and its loud nsfw
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=203_1448479622
A straybomb on the head of this cameraman would be very welcome collateral damage
Yowza. Those are some triple-pissed snackbars.
"Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday that the Russian missile cruiser Moskva already has moved closer to shore to protect the Russian aircraft flying missions near Syrias border with Turkey with its long-range Fort air defense system.
Shoigu also said that from now on all Russian bombers will be escorted by fighters on their combat missions in Syria. He said that his ministry has severed all contacts with the Turkish military."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151125/bc-eu--russia-turkey-plane-125c...
Russia has only 4 fighers now. But 23 bombers
Four Su-30SM - A specialized version of the thrust-vectoring Su-30MKI and MKM variants for the Russian military, produced by the Irkut Corporation. The Su-30SM is considered as 4+ gen jet fighter. The new version has been upgraded based on Russian military requirements for radar, radio communications systems, friend-or-foe identification system, ejection seats, weapons, and other aircraft systems. The aircraft is equipped with the Bars-R radar and the wide-angle HUD.
But the six Su-34s also can function air-to air. Backed up by the soon or already deployed S-400 (and/or S-300?) air defense system. And the Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300,
"Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province's coast.
"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.
The Moskva (‘Moscow’) missile cruise is a flagship vessel of the Russian Black Sea fleet and is one of the fleet’s two biggest ships. The cruiser was stationed in Sevastopol but left in summer 2015 after being deployed to the Mediterranean Sea where it joined Russia’s standing naval force in the Mediterranean.
Since September 30, the Moskva cruiser acts as a covering force for the Russian air forces in Syria while deployed in the eastern Mediterranean."
There are reports of more Russian LSTs on the way from the Black Sea.
En-route to Syria: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1697558
Every escalation increases the chance of a major incident. I expect no one is going to ambush a Russian fighter bomber with impunity anymore.
It is still not enough. Turkey has 200+ fighers around.
In case of Turkey attacking Russian trops in Syria, the only option for Russia will be to fire cruising missiles or ballistic missiles with multiple (nuclear )warheads from the territory of Russia to Turkey millitary and industrial sites.
Russian stategic forces already re-pointing to Turkey and coordinatez are prepared in case you are not aware.
There are a lot of things Russia could do. Russia controls a good portion of the natural gas Turkey depends on and "winter is coming". It would take only a few seconds for one of those very accurate and deadly S-300 or S-400 missiles to reach the Turkish border or any military aircraft in the eastern Syrian airspace.. All of Syrian airspace is in range of the S-300 or S-400 air defense system. The S-300 and/or S-400 can engage multiple targets.
And ZH just put up a very interesting article that seems to have suddenly become public information and a topic of international conversation:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-e...
"The Russian Minister reminded his counterpart about Turkey’s involvement in the ISIS’ illegal trade in oil, which is transported via the area where the Russian plane was shot down, and about the terrorist infrastructure, arms and munitions depots and control centers that are also located there."
Time for some speedboat kamikaze attacks, would be my guess.
that can be upgraded in a few hours
Wow.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/11/the-context-of-yesterdays-turkish-a...
"Erdogan criticized Syria harshly on Tuesday for shooting down the Turkish fighter jet, saying: "Even if the plane was in their airspace for a few seconds, that is no excuse to attack.""
Yeah right ...Should I take this seriously??
It's a quote from 2012.
If Russia digs in, it's going to get very costly.
Exactly who would buy Russia war bonds if issued?
Not sure what the payoff is for Russia in Syria , perhaps free oil but even with free oil the ROI is years in the making while the money is needed now.
On the upside a greater entanglement would raise oil rise and salvage some lost ground on price, but no doubt to crush such hopes the Iranians would at the behest of the USA unleash its oil to counter.
I find it difficult to see Putins objectives here. The crimera was easy to see, this not so much.
The payoff for Russia is that Iran, Iraq and Syria are strengthened as is Russia's position in the middle east.
There is a limit to what fake money can accomplish.
If Russia enters Turkey from behind, would GREECE HELP?
Not really funny. An old joke I learned 45+ years ago and now it's no longer funny.
NO.
The Politicians and the Military have been BOUGHT. ( see above link from Me)
Human error led to deadly U.S. strike on Afghan hospital: military
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/25/us-afghanistan-attack-msf-inve...
A U.S. investigation found that the deadly Oct. 3 air strike in Afghanistan that destroyed a hospital run by Medecins Sans Frontieres was a tragic and avoidable accident caused primarily by human error, a top U.S. military commander said on Wednesday.
Some U.S. personnel were suspended and could face disciplinary action after failing to follow U.S. rules of engagement in a war zone, said U.S. Army General John Campbell, who leads international forces in Afghanistan.
It remained unclear whether the U.S. military, even as it expressed remorse and wholly accepted blame, would be able to quickly mend its image in Afghanistan and elsewhere after the attack, which killed 30 people.
MSF's general director Christopher Stokes said in a statement on Wednesday that the investigation illustrated "gross negligence" by U.S. forces.
"This was a tragic mistake. U.S. forces would never intentionally strike a hospital or other protected facilities," Campbell said at a Pentagon news conference, releasing the results of the U.S. investigation.
MSF, known as Doctors Without Borders in English, has in the past publicly cast doubt on the idea that the strike could have been a mistake.
Detailing its own investigation on Nov. 5, MSF said the site's location had been clearly communicated to both Afghan forces and the Taliban.
Putin was cutting in to Erdogan's and maybe some others in the states black market oil profits plain and simple. Just a little slap on the wrist.
From a blogg of a Greek Economist Dmitris Kazakis
( I put on a translator for Greek Readers the link is available above.)
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Wednesday, November 25 2015 escalation of World War such as the West has been campaigning ... The war clouds thicken as never before. Turkey broke intentionally Russian bomber SU-24 over Syrian territory, citing violation for 17 whole seconds of its national airspace. If this is a casus beli for the Turkish air defense, then what make the Greek air defense for hundreds of violations of the national airspace of Greece from the Turkish air force? The Greece would have every right engagement and downing of Turkey's more militant because of systematic and provocative violations of its national airspace. This is how serious countries that respect and defend the sovereign interests. Suffice certainly not have been collaborators and giousoufakia their government.
Suffice his staff respects uniform and coat. Something unthinkable for government and policy makers in Turkey but Greece.Certainly pretended violation to kataripsei Russian bomber. Even with its own data, the Russian fighter entered and left Turkish airspace into 17 "and katarifthike by Turkish F-16 over Syrian territory. In fact, the F-16, according to the Turks, not stood even for interception, but performing exercise dogfight there konta.To NATO immediately adopted the Turkish version, without even considering the data to then launch threats to Russia, convening a special meeting of the alliance. With this attitude, NATO showed who is the instigator behind the operation of Tourkon.Ta these data constitute the basis of international law directly challenge Turkey's military against Russia with unexpected and extremely serious consequences. It is sure to go in scaling both challenges against Russia as well of Moscow countermeasures against not only Turkey but also the staffs NATO.Ta Western test Russia's readiness to respond to direct warfare challenges. Even if endanger the entire wider periochi.Oi reasons are many. It is no coincidence that Turkey proceeded to such provocation against Russia, once Moscow began to literally dissolves the oil handling infrastructure of the caliphate? Within five days Russia destroyed 1,000 tanks and nearly all the oil collection facilities which controls chalifato.To blow can be fatal for the caliphate. Because it will not be able to feed its operations. But will prove fatal for those who support it. "The actions of Turkey are de facto protection of the Islamic State," said Medvedev. "This is not surprising, given the information we have direct economic interests of some Turkish officials on the supply of petroleum products dyilisis from factories controlled by ISIS." Medvedev says truth.
The Erdogan regime is up to the brim tangled with the caliphate, which uses Turkish territory to illegally traffics in oil, but also to recruit mercenaries from across the West and Anatoli.Ta kegs - part is known Greek businessman interests maintains close relations with one of the families of the barons of the Southwest - ranging from the Muslim and through Turkey flow into the southern coast, opposite Cyprus, where tranship cargo in tankers. The entire network is entangled Turkish officials, Greek ship owners and entrepreneurs with big political plug in Turkey, Greece and Cyprus.These engraved ARAMCO once again pulling the strings. Oil money centers that are dyilistiria in Greece, the former state of Libya, and Saudi Arabia. While the "systemic" banks in Greece and Cyprus launder black money of the caliphate and the other gangs. With the funding of the Greek forologoumenou.Epomenos Russia attempting to cut the supply lines of the Caliphate - something that neither ever dreamed to make the US - stepped in sfingofolia. Click to sfingofolia only NATO.Einai this? Of course not. The US and NATO have set to try war reflexes Russia. And they will not stop until compel Moscow to respond militarily against his country NATO.Me turn Turkey of Erdogan is evolving rapidly in the main destabilizing factor in the region after Israel. After the last election ala Turkey, where the unprecedented even for Turkey violence and fraud enabled the winner to hit Erdogan wild every oppositional foni.Tin day after the strike in Paris, appeared in Turkey, mainly in Aguirre and Anatolia demonstrators with flags of the caliphate. Nobody cared. Neither course nobody cared about the fact that Turkey does not respect the provisions of international conventions on the treatment of refugees. Instead funded handsomely - 3 billion euros decided to give the European Commission for the refugee - to push through smugglers circuits refugees in Greece, which has been arbitrarily defined as "Host State". With profit in mind of course party and other NGOs tameion.Oi authorities in Paris say that some perpetrators of the attack passed through Greek islands. Why not say that they went through Turkey, which were identified as Syrians and then channeled to the EU? What if Russia decides to proceed with countermeasures? The attitude of Turkey, NATO and the EU, does not leave room. Indeed Turkey from the early hours Monday has developed a broad offensive action against Kurdistan (PKK) from the air and ground. Its aim is to protect their supply roads of the caliphate and tzichadiston mercenaries of the West, from the attacks of the PKK, Iranian and Iraqi forces, working with the Russians. So you go firi-firi.Ti would therefore be if the Russians want to answer? It will reciprocate NATO? That is why the government of collaborators ended the 126 Combat Group in Heraklion, Crete in order to settle there drones units of the US Air Force? So as Crete is flooded by Israeli contractors to the military aedromio Kastelli and elsewhere to create military installations of Israel? And if Moscow estimate that NATO is unable to reciprocate and extend the business zone from which and if he gets the forces of the caliphate, including the south of Turkey - as already announced - how much will last the Erdogan regime in such a conflict? How long will it take to ignite the entire region? Does about it prepares Netanyahu ordering new epichieriseis state terrorism in Gaza and Eastern Bank? So runs Tsipras in Israel? To give earth and water to adventurist plans? The same as gave the Erdogan regime in the last visit? And take for granted this: Greece is the most defenseless country in the region. It does not even have the means to cope with any crisis. The country is unable even to support its borders. The formal political system and staffs of the armed forces have placed the fate of the country into NATO and Israel. Hooray burned. They are unable even to think in terms of geostrategy. Especially in terms of national sovereignty.
Hey guys...I been posting on this blog for about a week. I just got a threatening phone call from the 510 area San Jose and it was a middle easterner. How interesting. I won't be posting anymore.
Sounds like CIA-paid fiction to me. How on earth would they get your phone number, or even know who you are from the name "chuckster"? Right.
BTW, not many regulars here in ZH are dumb enough to fall for such nonsensical stories. But you don't care, because they pay you anyway.
"Everybody be afraid. Be very afraid and go back to sleep." Is a newish meme from the PTB trolls who are out of other ideas to make us shut-up.
You signed up 6 weeks before you began posting. Right?
Good, good ... now Fuck Off back down your rabbit hole.
What's so threatening about San José, Upchuckster? The diacritical mark on the "e"? I just got a couple of phone calls from area code 202; turns out they were to set up a job interview, which is even more threatening. I gave you a sympathy uptick as a parting gift - now beat it and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Was he breathing real hard and telling you he wants to give you a digital prostate exam in the local US Embassy?
I think Turkey should fly a couple of jets into Syrian airspace immediately to see how that works.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Turkey is great for TXGVNG. Bring 'em on table
Eisenhower's farewell address, ironically just before Vietnam heated up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
As of now, there is only one option left to save Turkey.
Erdogan resigns, the goverment resigns, Turkish military resigns, etc.
The newly formed goverment pays compensation for lifes / plane and issues official appology.
This will stop the crysis.
Would you want to fly in a plane with Erdogan anytime soon?
not even on a majic carpet
most of the turks are inbreeds Russia took that into consideration but the fuckers better not try something again. dont you love how they called a nato emergency meeting asap craping in their pants
lmao
The perfidious Turks are crusin for a brusin
Remember this?
"Start A False Flag War With Syria" Leaked Recording That Erdogan Wanted Bannedhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/here-youtube-false-flag-attack-...
What fun to listen in on the lodge meeting of the Slavic Ankle-Grabbers For Putin Society.
EU sanctions on Russia. Win for Putin!
Collapse in ruble. Win for Putin!
Near Death Experience for Russian Puppet Assad regime. Win for Putin!
Expensive deployment of Russian regular troops to face cheap proxy America Arab militia. Win for Putin!
Picking up the entire tab for bankrupt Syrian regime that has lost all its oil fields. Win for Putin!
Death of 224 civilians on Russian airliner. Win for Putin!
Loss of Russian drone over Turkey. Win for Putin!
Shoot down of Russian SU-24. Win for Putin!
Murder and attempted murder of pilots. Win for Putin!
Loss of helicopter to Arab militia. Win for Putin!
Death of Russian rescue team member. Win for Putin!
Publishing of statements from Turkish dictator-controlled military witnesses. Win for Putin!
Publishing of statements from Russian dictator-controlled military witnesses. Win for Putin!
Publishing of statments from civilian non-Russian, non-Turkish eyewitnesses. Win for Putin!
Expensive deployment of Russian cruiser and permanent CAP to support bombing campaign. Win for Putin!
Loss of gas sales to Ukraine and transit sales across UKraine. Win for Putin!
Freezing of relations with Turkey. Win for Putin!
Loss of contemplated Turkish Stream pipeline. Win for Putin!
Potential loss of natural gas sales to Turkey. Win for Putin!
Potential loss of Russian access to Mediterraean due to suspension of the Montreux Convention. Win for Putin!
More Russian assets, money, and troops to the Syrian front. Win for Putin!
Sabotage of electricity supply to Crimea. Win for Putin!
I find myself wondering if there is ever going to be any development anywhere in the world that you guys will not be willing to characterize as a win for Putin.
The sad truth for Russia is that all of these glorious victories are being bought at the expense of a continuous drain on Russia's financial, economic, and military resources. There is no end in sight to these drains and Russia is struggling against a group of countries that have vastly more resources on every front. Regardless of who you believe to be in the right on this matter, there is a definite deadline for Russia-- particularly so as their burn rate is only going to increase.
What comes next? How about some suicide speedboats in the Gulf of Iskenderun? The arrival of lost Libyan (and Russian-made) MANPADS in the theater of operations. More civilian outrages worldwide? Further deterioration in the price of oil?
Notice how quiet things are over in Russia's dear friend and ally, China. Not a peep out of them. IUn their typically cynical fashion of pursuing their own rational self-interest, they are going to let Putin rack up all his future wins all by himself.
This is about Turkey and US oligarchs, not Putin. Why do shrill trolls always go to personality over facts? It's always Obama this, Putin that. You know what is said about people who argue personality.
Can't say that I do know anything about people who argue personality over facts, but then I didn't call YOU "a shrill troll".
Although, upon reflection, I may have indirectly called you a Slavic Ankle-Grabber For Putin and for that I do immediately apologize.
um, the other
I had no idea you were a THE END IS NIGHIST. Very cute, my dear
You're not ignorant enough to believe that Putin won't use his nuclear weapons if you and your neocon cousins back him in to a corner.
Doubt Khibiny all you want, fool. Doubt the nuclear torpedo, too. You'll end up like Tojo after Hiroshima.
Finally a real win for Putin.
After Putin took office in 2000, he realized that three administrations of scumbag American presidents had lied their tits off to the nascent Russian Federation. He knew that Washington had the free world by the balls and that Russia's only assets were oil, national resources and rocket propulsion and weapons engineering.
So early in the 21st century, he nurtured Russia's weapons industry and put the S-300, S-400, (they're working on S-500) the Iskander, the Yakhont (which they've given to China and India) on his list of "better than the Wests".
So either Khibiny and the torpedo work or they don't. I hope we all don't have to find out the hard way.
Oh, and as for your joke about suspending the Montreux Convention. After Russia gets out all the naval assets it wants out, look for the the Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul to fall into the strait between Asia and Europe, making Erdogan a very unhappy man.
You know tarabel, I'm tired of the rhetoric of the Empire.
For a long time I've watched on teevee brown people getting blown up.
Fifty years worth of teevee.
Russia weren't the ones doing the blowin' up.
Turkey government has
1) Gassed Syrians for the US CIA, blames Assad
2) Buys ISIS oil and funnels money to terrorists at behest of US CIA
3) Shoots down Russian aircraft, which had been a known flight thanks to Russian sharing of flight plans
4) Shoots down rescue helicopter sent to help the downed crew
Fuck Turkey, fuck CIA. Fuck their war.
Here's what RUS would most likely do immediately.
1) No more lone Fighter/Bombers to/from a region when flying near TRK border.
2) Send FIGHTER ESCORTS flying above/along Fighter/Bombers when they sortie; and loitering over their Bombing Runs.
3) Let no Tanker make it to TRK. Let SYR/IRN Ground Troops choke off/inspect all traffic headed towards TRK.
It's obvious TRK did it for their own "Troops on the Ground". With an homage to the "Rocky and Bullwinkle Show", I'll end this with these Cliffhanger Questions...
Will RUS and others designate those Troops as TRK's; and resume bombing them?
Will SYR call TRK out; declare TRK's (Ground and Air) Actions as "Formal Acts of War", and declare War against TRK?
Will TRK try to block out RUS' Black Fleet from reinforcing its "Club Med" Task Force via the Bosphorous?
Will Mr. Erdogan get outsted by the TRKish People? By NATO? Its EU Member Candidacy scratched for good?
Will POTUS make another ISIL Containment Speech?
Stay tuned.
Sorry to say
It looks like Russia is not going to do anything
that is the latest
of course
that could be a lie
What role, if any, will China have in this crisis? Haven't heard a peep in the news from/about China.
It's easy to point the finger at many different people. ISIS, Free Syrian Army, Turkey, Putin, Erdogan, Suleimani, Obama. It's easy to blame many different countries ... America, Russia, the Saudis, Qatar, Iran, ISIS and Al Qaeda entities, France. Everybody is playing their own little strategy. But this conflict is taking on a Collective Energy - a human Angst - that is bigger than all of these factors. That's how big wars start. The spark starts the flames, then the flames spread and find more fuel ... Conflagration.
"It's easy to point the finger at many different people"
That a BS statement if ever there was one. IF anyone has an open mind, even a reasonably open mind then the real BAD guy here is the USA ! There's NO question about it - the evidence is all there.
The American,British,French & Australian interference in Syria is UNLAWFUL as set down by the UN -they have NOT been invited by the legitimate Govt of Syria to be there. The Russians & their allies have been invited -end of story.
Trouble is Bullies don't give up easily especially a bloated & sick one so trouble looms. My monies on Vlad.
After most of the facts has surfaced it has become clear that the downing of the Russian aircraft actually was a carefully planned attack, just as Russia themselves has concluded.
The Turks was probably waiting for the right plain (close enough to their border) to target. Afterwards they could claim it was in their rights , and protected by NATO they knew they were in the clear. Sadly, there is actually nothing much Russia can do about it , unless they want to start a new world war.
Today , the Turks even changes their part of the story, now claiming they didn’t know the plain was Russian. That pretty much signals that they are in a state of panic right now and that their lies has become obvious even for the general public.
Erdogan’s Tyrkia has descended into a rouge , unreliable and false nation, using NATO as a cover to put their many evil deeds and schemes into play. They should never have been Allowed a NATO membership in the first place. NATO has of course chosen to defend Turkia’s version of the story, but by doing so , NATO have now lost the last rests of the credibility they had left. They lost most of it in their insane and cowardly attack on the former Jugoslavia. They can no longer be trusted.
The best revenge the Russians now can put into play is (like many already has suggested) to support the Kurds openly with Russian weapons like for instance advanced ground to air missiles , as well as support them with strategies and intel. Hopefully Russia will vote them down in any issues they might bring to the UN. That way Erdogan will hopefully get repaid.
The conflagration for WW 3 has been going drip by drip. We all are seeing the breakdown of global society and sovereignty at real time.
The conspiracy theories have become conspiracy facts in real time.
Good luck humanity, the awakening will definitely set our planet on a different path. Good or Bad still TBD.??.
Just for you faggotflight
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/syrian-military-take-revenge-on.html
<---- had a leashed alsatian
the alsatian saw a grizzly ,
Alsatian was nudged by the master to confront grizzly
The alsatian nipped at grizzly
now what the grizzly will do
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Another one :
In bedroom erDOGen asked his master slurping between thiggghs :
'I have done what u asked my love, now what'
Master (cabalA$$LickerLiarDrugAddictHomObamma) : 'keep sucking , your future is very bright'
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turkey buys oil from ISIS & pays them money
hence turkey is the biggest supporter of ISIS
And America has not frozen accounts for these dealings
It is clear that America & its euroPeons , NATO all are supporting the terrorism the ISIS etc.
Happy Thanksgiving faggotflight. Here is what I am thankful for
Takfiris roasting over a MLRS Fire
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/russian-mlrs-lights-up-takfiri-rats...
Bad move Erdogan. Here comes the boomerang
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/11/the-context-of-yesterdays-turkish-a...
this is funny...from the cabal
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/11/25/isis-parks-its-cash-in-bitcoin-ex...
Yes, Bitcoin hocked here too
digital money is a big security trap
kind an easy way to steal isn't it.
I am beginning to wonder if Obama did this to set up Turkey
You know, like when someone pushes somebody into a bully
Not sure what the benefit of that is other than a behind the scenes immunity
How to make a Caliphate, you got to knock out a few players
With Obama's socialistic Alinski radical leanings, I think this is where we are headed
BTW Alinski dedicated his book to Lucifer
Makes perfect sense.
Or did Erdogan feel he had US support because the deadheads running for President have called for shooting down Russian planes?
It had nothing to do with the "Turkmen" (aka Al Qaeda), really.
Russia bombed the oil that Erdogan's son was selling. This was retaliation.
When will the people in Paris be told that Turkey's President's son gave ISIL the money they needed to bomb Paris? And that this Turkish President is in NATO and funneling secrets to ISIL?
S-400 is already deployed in Syria and covering almost all Syrian territory.
I would have liked to have seen Montana.
I Hope that when Putin bombs the Yellowstone Caldera that the fires dont go North and West torching my home town where my parents still live: Fort Benton
Snarc. I hope
Thanks for getting back to me. :-)
Hey! Pepe is friggin' funny, I've got time for that.
M of A - oh, yes, daily.
Well, Fort Russ is new for me, sweet, thanks!
xoxo
Ana
Clearly this was Nato that was behind the provacative act of war. And unless the world can find a way to rid this terrorist organization from the planet. The faith of the earth ls in there hands. "GOD HELP US ALL" Also on the same this attack took place. Israel once again attack Syria killing a number of Syrian army and Hezbollah soldiers.
Obama, and Erdogan - both are willing to start a war with Russia to defend ISIS. In other words, an ISLAMIC CALIPHATE is so important to them, they will risk starting a WAR WITH RUSSIA over it. Only a devout Muslim hoping to bring about the Islamic version of the END TIMES should aim to do that. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Nothing has changed my opinion since writing Antichrist 2016-2019: Mystery Babylon, Barack Obama & the Islamic Caliphate
The world on the brink o WW3 and the Gold FALLING like a brick...
UNREAL
Russia is telling its citizens in Turkey to leave the country.
The truth is that the Turks are a nation of full retards and could not make such a decision by themselves to take down a Russian jet fighting ISIS without proper permission from US, UK and NATO. That makes this entire incident a premeditated act against Russia.
Clearly US, UK and NATO was behind the approval of downing the Russian jet provoking once againg war with Russia.
For long time Turkey is facilitating selling ISIS stolen oil from Iraq and Syria oilfields to G20 membership countries on the black market at a dumping price. Has been estimated that as much as $800mil of oil has been sold in Turkey by ISIS using Turkey / Syrian border in direct dealings between Turkish officials (included Erdogan’s son) and ISIS members under the blind eye of NATO, UK and US.
Turkey is a corrupt, jihadist sh*t hole that hosts, protects, finances and offer intelligence and logistics to ISIS under cover of NATO membership.
Turkey is s state sponsor of ISIS with a NATO membership. NATO is harboring a state that sponsors ISIS. That makes NATO and all nations within NATO membership accomplices of sponsoring terrorism.
Turkey is considered by US an ally while ISIS is considered a terrorist faction in war with America.
As long as NATO and its allies are offering support to ISIS, this terrorist faction will continue to recover.
Who is fighting against who is Syria?
Since Bush-Dick-Collin administration the Americans are constantly poking the Russian bear hoping to provoke a military conflict.
ISIS is unveiling more and more as a mercenary army on the payroll of western/arab countries and private entities hell bent to twist the arm of nations opposing them, bullying to put them in submission before new world order fascists globalists and western fake free democracies.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...