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The True Meaning Of Thanksgiving
Submitted by Richard Ebeiling via EpicTimes.com,
This time of the year, whether in good economic times or bad, is when Americans gather with their families and friends and enjoy a Thanksgiving meal together. It marks a remembrance of those early Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the uncharted ocean from Europe to make a new start in Plymouth, Massachusetts. What is less appreciated is that Thanksgiving also is a celebration of the birth of free enterprise in America.
The English Puritans, who left Great Britain and sailed across the Atlantic on the Mayflower in 1620, were not only escaping from religious persecution in their homeland. They also wanted to turn their back on what they viewed as the materialistic and greedy corruption of the Old World.
Plymouth Colony Planned as Collectivist Utopia
In the New World, they wanted to erect a New Jerusalem that would not only be religiously devout, but be built on a new foundation of communal sharing and social altruism. Their goal was the communism of Plato’s “Republic,” in which all would work and share in common, knowing neither private property nor self-interested acquisitiveness.
What resulted is recorded in the diary of Governor William Bradford, the head of the colony. The colonists collectively cleared and worked the land, but they brought forth neither the bountiful harvest they hoped for, nor did it create a spirit of shared and cheerful brotherhood.
The less industrious members of the colony came late to their work in the fields, and were slow and easy in their labors. Knowing that they and their families were to receive an equal share of whatever the group produced, they saw little reason to be more diligent in their efforts. The harder working among the colonists became resentful that their efforts would be redistributed to the more malingering members of the colony. Soon they, too, were coming late to work and were less energetic in the fields.
Collective Work Equaled Individual Resentment
As Governor Bradford of the Plymouth Colony explained in his old English (though with the spelling modernized):
“For the young men that were able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children, without recompense. The strong, or men of parts, had no more division of food, clothes, etc. then he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labor, and food, clothes, etc. with the meaner and younger sort, thought it some indignant and disrespect unto them. And for men’s wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc. they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could husbands brook it.”
Because of the disincentives and resentments that spread among the population, crops were sparse and the rationed equal shares from the collective harvest were not enough to ward off starvation and death. Two years of communism in practice had left alive only a fraction of the original number of the Plymouth colonists.
Private Property as Incentive to Industry
Realizing that another season like those that had just passed would mean the extinction of the entire community, the elders of the colony decided to try something radically different: the introduction of private property rights and the right of the individual families to keep the fruits of their own labor.
As Governor Bradford put it:
“And so assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number for that end . . . This had a very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted then otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little-ones with them to set corn, which before would a ledge weakness, and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.”
The Plymouth Colony experienced a great bounty of food. Private ownership meant that there was now a close link between work and reward. Industry became the order of the day as the men and women in each family went to the fields on their separate private farms. When the harvest time came, not only did many families produce enough for their own needs, but also they had surpluses that they could freely exchange with their neighbors for mutual benefit and improvement.
In Governor Bradford’s words:
“By this time harvest was come, and instead of famine, now God gave them plenty, and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God. And the effect of their planting was well seen, for all had, one way or other, pretty well to bring the year about, and some of the abler sort and more industrious had to spare, and sell to others, so as any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day.”
Rejecting Collectivism for Individualism
Hard experience had taught the Plymouth colonists the fallacy and error in the ideas that since the time of the ancient Greeks had promised paradise through collectivism rather than individualism. As Governor Bradford expressed it:
“The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years, and that amongst the Godly and sober men, may well convince of the vanity and conceit of Plato’s and other ancients; — that the taking away of property, and bringing into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort.”
Was this realization that communism was incompatible with human nature and the prosperity of humanity to be despaired or be a cause for guilt? Not in Governor Bradford’s eyes. It was simply a matter of accepting that altruism and collectivism were inconsistent with the nature of man, and that human institutions should reflect the reality of man’s nature if he is to prosper. Said Governor Bradford:
“Let none object this is man’s corruption, and nothing to the curse itself. I answer, seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them.”
The desire to “spread the wealth” and for government to plan and regulate people’s lives is as old as the utopian fantasy in Plato’s “Republic.” The Pilgrim Fathers tried and soon realized its bankruptcy and failure as a way for men to live together in society.
They, instead, accepted man as he is: hardworking, productive, and innovative when allowed the liberty to follow his own interests in improving his own circumstances and that of his family. And even more, out of his industry result the quantities of useful goods that enable men to trade to their mutual benefit.
Giving Thanks for the Triumph of Freedom
In the wilderness of the New World, the Plymouth Pilgrims had progressed from the false dream of communism to the sound realism of capitalism. At a time of economic uncertainty and growing political paternalism, it is worthwhile recalling this beginning of the American experiment and experience with freedom.
This is the lesson of the First Thanksgiving. This year, when we, Americans sit around our dining table with family and friends, we should also remember that what we are really celebrating is the birth of free men and free enterprise in that New World of America.
The true meaning of Thanksgiving, in other words, is the triumph of Capitalism over the failure of Collectivism in all its forms.
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I should work to benefit those who envy my abilities.
What is the true meaning of anything on this planet?
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For realz
As the 'First of the Mohicans' was heard to remark,
"There goes the neighborhood."
Shoulda closed their borders
BLOTTO: What is the true meaning of anything on this planet?
How about this:
Article: The English Puritans, who left Great Britain and sailed across the Atlantic on the Mayflower in 1620, were not only escaping from religious persecution in their homeland. They also wanted to turn their back on what they viewed as the materialistic and greedy corruption of the Old World.
Two years of communism in practice had left alive only a fraction of the original number of the Plymouth colonists. Plymouth Pilgrims had progressed from the false dream of communism to the sound realism of capitalism… it is worthwhile recalling this beginning of the American experiment and experience with freedom.
Now, another shot at the Pilgrims, by someone that knows her history:
Mr. Gutzon Borglum said: "Puritanism has made us self-centered and hypocritical for so long, that sincerity and reverence for what is natural in our impulses have been fairly bred out of us, with the result that there can be neither truth nor individualality in our art."
Puritanism celebrated its reign of terror in England during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, destroying and crushing every manifestation of art and culture.
Fleeing from persecution and oppression, the Pilgrims of Mayflower fame established in the New World a reign of Puritanic tyranny and crime. The history of New England, and especially of Massachusetts, is full of the horrors that have turned life into gloom, joy and despair, naturalness into disease, honesty and truth into hideous lies and hypocrisies.
Boston, the city of culture, has gone down in the annals of Puritanism as the "Bloody Town." It rivaled Salem, even, in her cruel persecution of unauthorized religious opinions. On the now famous Common a half-naked woman, with a baby in her arms, was publicly whipped for the crime of free speech; and on the same spot Mary Dyer, another Quaker woman, was hanged in 1659. In fact, Boston has been the scene of more than one wanton crime committed by Puritanism. Salem, in the summer of 1692, killed eighteen people for witchcraft.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/goldman/aando/puritanism.html
"Countrymen, the long experience of our late miseries I hope is sufficient to persuade everyone to a present correction of himself, And think not that either my pains nor the adventurers' purses will ever maintain you in idleness and sloth...the greater part must be more industrious, or starve...You must obey this now for a law, that he that will not work shall not eat...For the labors of thirty or forty honest and industrious men shall not be consumed to maintain a hundred and fifty idle loiterers."
- Captain John Smith, Jamestowne Colony 1609
The point of the article was not to laud all the values of the Puritan's, in fact, those values that did not work were discarded like communism.
Their religious inspired rule was nothing but vigilantism, there was no justification or order to do it from the bible, it give them authority to do such things like the Quran does, but they went ahead and assumed the authority of god. Like their early attempt at communism this too was abandoned fortunately, bad ideas have a way of failing.
Paraphrasing Joan Robinson, that I found to be very telling:
Two menaces hang over the world today…. The raise of populations ahead of economic development and the American crusade against communism… that prevents others systems from setting into peaceful co-existence and using its resources to meet its population needs.
scratchy, you take the words of satan worshiper...
Borglum was an active member of the Ancient Free and Accepted Masons (the Freemasons)
Unix: satan worshiper..
Is that the best you can do of your empty sack?
the truth hurts doesnt it loser? the only empty sack around here is the one between your legs...the best part of you dripped down your mommas crack
Truth.
The post is sweet & sincere, but I really wouldn’t have wanted to have been ruled by the Puritan elders and churchmen.
Yes, the same group whose descendants brought Massachusetts the Salem witch trials some 70 years later... an event that was actually a land grab committed by the Puritan elders and churchmen.
Evidence the Witch Trials were NOT successful:
http://www.theinsiderstories.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Photo-IMF.jpg
Nice. He looks less orange during the winter time.
"...but I reallywouldn’t have wanted to have been ruled by the Puritan elders and churchmen."
I'm pretty sure they all voluntarily got on the ship and I'm damned sure they were actually fleeing the religious persecution of the Church of England, a state sanctioned religion which started as nothing more than Henry VIII (a king ie...a monarch=government) wanting a divorce from Catherine.
I have always found it amusing AND informative that atheists and Marxists are the very first ones to denigrate those who "collectively" made a decision to peacefully separate themselves from the imposed uniformity of a state sponsored religion when it is they themselves who "preach it" everyday ;-)
"collectively" made a decision to peacefully separate themselves
Are you talking about ISIS or the puritans?
Either way, neither one is peaceful because religion are the highest form of bigotry and manipulation through mind control and obedience. Don’t question authority. Don’t think for yourself.
So, because of this brainwashing, most of these followers are totally unprepared, and ignorant of facts and realities. Most cant’ hear the words “we live in a finite planet” because that goes against their religion—irrational—believes.
"ISIS or puritans"..."Either way, neither one is peaceful because religion are the highest form of bigotry and manipulation through mind control and obedience. Don’t question authority. Don’t think for yourself."
You talkin about chiefs/shamans or socialists?
And indians didn't really give a damn about how many "finite" buffalo they stampeded over a cliff just as long as there was enough of them killed to feed the tribe on, the rest were left to rot.
So because of the brainwashing you've endured (and somehow still promote) you're beginning to understand everything you've ever been taught is a lie or as Dilma Rouseff might say, "I deserve the largest teepee because I have the very best of intentions!" ;-)
So, which “isms” ideology is you?
Classical conservative (private power. Top-down management): The modern capitalist system.
Classical liberal (Bolshevism): Restrict form of state intervention. Chris Hedges is a classical liberal.
State Capitalist: Private tyrannies protect by US military and subsidized by the states.
State Socialism: Everyone living a dream, of course, some more than others. Backed by World Reserve Currency and now Petrodollar.
Or,
American Libertarian (Ayn Rand): Leave the command of production to the owners—elites.
Libertarian Socialist: Abolish government and private ownership. Chomsky is a libertarian socialist.
you left out a bunch, but i prefer rugged individualism, something you would know little about scratchy...
Because I am an atheist, I individually made the decision to separate myself from the Puritans of the USA and move to China, a nation with no gods and the nicest people I have ever known.
Confucius say, oh never mind...lol.
You do realize the nicest people in the world have gotten sucked into communism at one point or another?
And the first thing communism does is supplant ANY religion with the state, which just happens to be run by men...people.
Well, thats just worked out wonderfully ;-)
man who fuck on ground get piece on earth
Let me guess, you are not black?
For four years now I have raised a thanksgiving turkey for several people locally. All are struggling in our new economy and are having trouble finding anything but occasional work. If they help in the butchering, they are welcome to a turkey. One has 4 children and this means a great thanksgiving with extra meals. I have heard of others raising home grown turkeys for others at $100/ bird and every year Mr Miffed tabulates my costs and thanks to non existent inflation, I see why they charge such a price. Still, I am undeterred.
No money ever exchanges hands and all agreements are made with a nod and handshake. We like it that way. We gut, scald and plug together and afterward drink beer, tell stories, laugh and pray for better days. I know if I ever were to have need, they would be there as I would never fail them.
I am not sure how to define this relationship. In a sense, it is communistic in that we are sharing our labors and resources. Perhaps it is the willingness on all sides to participate in the task is what makes the difference. Certainly different from ones wages being taxed without any recourse on how they are spent.
Happy Thanksgiving to all and may you cherish those who you love. This time of year is a sad one for those of us in healthcare because the stress of the holidays can take its toll on many. Many suicide attempts and overdoses. I have already seen some tragic cases.
Keep love and light in your hearts and stay safe.
Miffed
Miffed, gotta say I've always been a big fan of your posts. You are one inspiring gal and your hubby is a lucky man.
Blessings to both of you and your family this Thanksgiving.
And thank you to all my fellow Hedgers: the value of the information, discussion, and general sanity of this silly lil website have brought me much comfort over the last 4 years.
You guys all rock.
A voice of sanity micro, there is no reason alturism cannot be found in capitalism, community does matter, it is when it is forced that we find the problem. happy TG to you and yours.
Miffed, the type of economy you practice has best been described in "Debt: THe First 5000 Years" http://www.amazon.com/Debt-Updated-Expanded-First-Years/dp/1612194192/re...
It is described as a human economy. It is still practiced in many remote locations and the dominant economy in small communities and clans. I have several friends with whom I keep similar arrengements. I get my water from a friend's well, no questions asked, no money exchanged. I helped another to setup his wind/solar station to power his RV. He in turn, stopped by my cabin and helped me raise the walls. I have multiple examples of the same. Clan or humad economies are ideal with people you trust. Currency is what you exchange with strangers, favors are exchanged with friends.
Your book seems fascinating and I am encouraged others have found the benefits of said arrangements. It saddens me in our nation there is so much polarization between races, sexes, religion and politics. Funny how just processing those turkeys seems to put those things aside for awhile and we become just human beings helping one another without agendas, political correctness or interference from the government. True freedom. We are so technically connected today yet never so far apart.
Miffed
Oh Lord, another 'ism article.
Where does capitalism exist in the New Rome?
Nowhere. Capitalism depends upon a moral populace and the rule of law, two things that are dying on the vine. Corruption rules the day, and no 'ism works under that.
'Capitalism' is your heartbeat.
What you do with it is yours to provide, predate or create.
The emphasis here is 'yours' to underscore the war and funerals currently being held in its name on YOUR potential.
BINGO!
the only ism that matters is BANKSTERism...........charging USURY on currency created Ex nihilo.........
debt-moneyism is what leads us to where we are today........welfare and warfare........all by BANKSTER design.
trav7777........''if you do not borrow, the GOV will borrow on your behalf''...the debt must grow...
America's future is not to be found in central planning of the economy; America's future productivity depends upon the individual, as is made clear in this story of the First Thanksgiving.
Robert G. Anderson in his article “The Assault on Capital” 25 years ago showed how peace and prosperity in the United States had been threatened for 50 years by the political processes of inflation, taxation, transfer policies and direct controls.
“Of all these actions,” Anderson wrote, “nothing inflicts more damage on productive effort, saving, and capital accumulation than a policy of monetary inflation…
“The disruption of the price system through inflation generates awesome losses of capital. Both consumers and producers are led into economic chaos. The false signals of inflated prices alter the allocation of economic resources in production and encourage artificial levels of consumption. The ultimate result is a general impoverishment, as capital is taxed and destroyed.”
The period following the end of the Civil War in 1865 until the beginning of World War I led to in the United States to the greatest expansion of economic activity and an accumulation of capital unmatched in human history – because of the degree of individual freedom.
Anderson makes the point “that this entire transformation of society was made possible only because individuals possessed economic freedom and were able to freely accumulate and employ the needed capital to compete against existing industry…”
But, then, “powerful political forces assaulted, directly and indirectly, both individual freedom and private property in an attempt to ‘preserve’ the status quo. Disguised as ‘progressive programs’ to benefit ‘the people,’ political intervention is consuming the wealth of the citizenry and hampering the incentive to replace it…generating a burden that is destroying the material welfare of society.”
The current system’s failure, which is bound to come, will turn the people back toward the one thing that Governor Bradford demonstrated and that future government was and now fails to provide – the protection of private property. For it is private property which provides the mechanism for individuals to increase their production and it is this consistent increase in production that grows the economy. Private property allows for citizens to accumulate capital and make investments.
“Production and saving rather than consuming will occur only if there exists an incentive to do so. Production and saving requires the personal sacrifice of not consuming. Only when the potential for greater future consumption can clearly be seen from saving and working today, will individuals willingly produce and save.”
A high energy returned on energy invested also helped a wee bit.
This...THIS is the discourse that is so examplary of the ZH of old that is sorely lacking in the comments of the modern incarnation of members to this website. Thank you, JR and Happy Thanksgiving!
America's First Thanksgiving Proclamation - 1789
As President, on October 3, 1789, George Washington made the following proclamation and created the first Thanksgiving Day designated by the federal government of the United States of America:
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.
and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
Go: Washington
Source: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/GW/gw004.html (Library of Congress)
And not a single mention of Allah anywhere.
Why would Washington commit blasphemy by implying another religion.
If Washington were president of a muslim nation he would not invoke the word jesus.
Retarded + Pedantic = Redantic = You
Happy Thanksgiving!
scratchy is you, the only one lying here is you moron!
and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions--
And not a single mention of Allah anywhere.
If Washington were speaking today transgressions against Muslims would be implicit in that statement. Overthrow of Mossadeq, bombing Iraqis for their freedom, the droning of civilians, creation of ISIS, etc.
O merciful God, take pity on those souls who have no particular friends and intercessors to recommend them to Thee,
who, either through the negligence of those who are alive, or through length of time are forgotten by their friends and by all.
Spare them, O Lord, and remember Thine own mercy, when others forget to appeal to it.
Let not the souls which Thou hast created be parted from thee, their Creator.
May the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace.
Amen.
Amen Brother in Christ
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Vikings, and Ancient Chinese? Land Bridges?
Possession is 9/10's of the law. Bitchez
When you hold your breath long enough, the "spear of destiny" appears
too bad that Gov Bradford couldn"t have just printed some money like Bernanke / Yellen.
The hard of thinking may believe he is distributing the wealth created by hard work to the wreched of the earth when in fact, he is distributing the wealth created by hard work to the idle rich. Before you criticize the poor, kill the rich.
I say we eat the lazy!
The first settlers kept deserting the damn settlements, going Native American before it was cool. True, it was a fantastic place at the time.
Forts had to be built!! Not to keep the Natives out, but to keep the settlers in!!!
May your chains lay gently upon your neck.
Happy made up BS Day
Many present day ZioNazi ameriklans proudly trace their (pretend) ancestry back to these lovers of freedom, these brave pioneers, these champions of religious freedom.
Unfortunately, like almost everything we have been systematically programmed to believe about the USSA and its history, it just ain't true.
The Mayflower was far from being the first ship to carry European colonists to what would become the U.S. Prior to the Mayflower's voyage, there were numerous attempts to colonize North America by Europeans, including at least nine by the British, five of which were successful, and many others by the French and Spanish and possibly some by Scandinavians.
You are correct. The Roman Spanish Portuguese Christopher Columbus never set foot on the North American Continent.
The very first ships' visitation probably had their arrival facilitated and evidence erased by the Planet's very regular and historical cycle of Climate Change:
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/1aintro.html
Who knew B.C was the New World?...
palmereldritch:
Already finished the intro.
Bookmarked that for great late night winter reading!
I live in B.C. and have sailed small boats all over the Gulf, the islands and the outer coast for the past 45 years.
Love history like this.
Another amazing thing learned on ZH.
Thanks...!!!
My pleasure. I remembered you mentioning you lived in the Interior.
Cheers
"The true meaning of Thanksgiving, in other words, is the triumph of Capitalism over the failure of Collectivism in all its forms."
And now, after almost 400 years, and the continuous deceit, betrayal, erosion, corruption, persecution, suppression, repression, subjugation and confiscation of coercive collectivism under the liberal progressive socialists, the USA has returned to coercive collectivism that is even more coercive and punitive than it was in New Plymouth, because in that era, if you did not like the Puritans, all you had to do was pack up and move west to land beyond their control.
Where can you go in this era to find a place where you can live free, unencumbered, uncontrolled, unsubjugated ?
Today, you cannot even renounce your USA citizenship - you must make a request, in a HUGE application, pay a fee for its processing AND you must pay a "departure tax" and you must continue reporting income to the IRS, AND continue paying income tax AFTER you have "renounced" - the regime owns not just your income, BUT YOU.
… that’s why Drugs and Booze got invented.
"… that’s why Drugs and Booze got invented."
Did you mean, rope and guillotines?
Alkaloids and Alcohol have always been here Einstien
The reason we have Thanksgiving is to create Black Friday. Happy Thaksgiving all.
At least we have some , DEDUCTIVE Reasoning?
I like fireplaces, and chimneys'
Born in 1962.
In the greatest land, during the greatest time, to ever grace the planet.
We should all be thankful for hitting the cosmic lottery.
Yes, they, TPTB, are pushing things to the extremes. They will foul it up, if given enough time. I've come to believe it is part of the great play. It happens over and over and over, since the beginning of recorded history. They still come along, and think it will be differant this time. Ah, well...
Life is too short. Let's be happy for abundant gmo food, cheap plentiful energy, cars with air conditioning, the Internet, cable tv and porn, the NFL and NASCAR.
A lot of truth, and some sarcasm.
It could be a lot worse for us.
I am thankful.
NoPension: agreed. Never EVER challenge worse.
NoPension - Don't you know you've been lied to? It can't get much worse.
If the indigenous people had been more capitalistic, the m*f* Pilgrims would have starved to death.
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/south/2010/11/24/Native-Americans-play...
True. I can just imagine only a few workers in the fields back then with the others being sold futures contracts. Then the harvest time comes, only to find out the true farmers figured it would be cheaper and more profitable to simply buy a futures contract, sit back. And relax like the others. In the end, none would have done any work, expecting huge profits on their futures. No one could take delivery because there was no produce, just pieces of paper traded around. So they starved.
Marxism blew Ponzi Casino Crony Capitalism out of the water
March 10th 2008, and now all you have left is the false memory of the dark ages of a false revisionist history that never really fostered free markets in the history of commerce. The Roman Catholic Church has always formed cartels, and oligopolies, to centralize power and wealth transfer to church coffers. The Egyptians did the same thing. All are oligarchies, but some are less conspicuous than others.
Then move to China to spout your filthy lies, you wont last a day bwahahahahahaha, moron
"The true meaning of Thanksgiving, in other words, is the triumph of Capitalism over the failure of Collectivism in all its forms."
There is no true meaning of Thanksgiving left, as the history is clouded and the interpreters, whether it be you or me, have no standing.
There is no triumph of capitalism any more than there is a failure of collectivism.
The true failure is the unchecked path towards fascism, because everyone is arguing about what freedom means.
Idiots, all of us.
Humility would've helped.
(That's how, and only how, you agree on Principle and Rule of Law.)
Where is YOUR head?
http://www.showrealhist.com/3warnsRD.html
This article is adolescent. Communism leads to tyranny, and so does Capitalism. Any "ism" (including Anarchism) works just fine for small groups of people, and NO system works well for larger groups. One day maybe we'll realize this and arrange our affairs accordingly, but it's more likely we'll just continue to do awful things to each other whilst pretending that we have the best of intentions.
No. Collectivism does NOT work; even in small groups. The article is fine, your post is adolescent.
So your parents charged you rent when you were a child? Or did you contribute to the family according to your ability?
bwahahahhahaahhaaaaarg, no the family unit is a dictatorship...marx was a fag, just like you
Ahhhh... waving the white flag of ad hominem. Love it.
Stupid argument.
with all due respect.
That was bad libertarian, if your article presents this, you will get more red arrows than you know.
Central characteristics of capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, and competitive markets.
It is typical of all of cartoonish articles such as this one to omit that third pillar of capitalism: wage labor
I guess it doesn't fit well into the narrative, since wage labor by definition means that you are working for someone else's profit.
Guys, I have a question...i know there are members of zerohedge who use the term nigger for low class blacks,(personally i could care less) but as a black person with an education who aspires to be a property tycoon(currently i own multiple rental properties and hope to own more) and who sees the evil that is liberalism and the western lead media narrative is zerohedge a place i should be in or am i basically, no pun intended, a black sheep.
thanks
johnmack, some of the comments over the past couple of days have had me wondering the same thing. This may not be the forum for (mostly) rational thought I once thought it was.
Please write an article then.
That's actually what I've been doing for the past few hours, not specifically about comments here, but more of a meta-narrative about why I think it happens generally. I hadn't thought about submitting it here, but maybe that's a good idea.
I am not sure the Tylers would post it. Maybe just post it here on one of the boards when you finish. Let us all read it and we will tell you what we think of what you wrote. You will get 30 to 50K views. Perhaps even more since we are a bit averse to holidays. That is perfect. Many ZHers are going to be looking for something to do on their computers and avoiding family because they don't want to talk to anyone.
Try this site. You'll fit right.
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-and-the-grand-mufti/
"Netanyahu said that “Hitler had no intention of exterminating the Jews at that time.[1] He wanted to expel them. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem[2] went to meet Hitler in order to tell him “If you expel the Jews, they will all go there [to Palestine].” Hitler asked him “then what should I do with them ?” “burn them,” replied the Grand Mufti."
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You will find idiots everywhere, including here, but this is a forum where you will find more truth than most other places. In addition, check out Mises.org and LewRockwell.com. The intelligent people here only hate the state, not any race. Know your enemy!
I can agree with THIS Vidar...there are no good governments anymore, NONE! what we have here is a fascist oligarchy anymore. There is not a trace of free markets to be found.
The lies will be put to bed soon enough, when people wake up to the true facts all around us.
johnmack2,
If you are a landlord, as time goes on, and you gain experience as to who to rent to, and who to not, your questions will answer themselves.
It is what it is.
People should not be saying shit like that. If it is not "nigger" it is "jew". Those folks who say that sort of thing don't last too long here because it does not help anything or anyone. I see that you have been here for a while and I think you know that. I wish you the best on your rental endeavors. We are all black sheep here. I guess we just don't fit into the mold. Remember that it is fight club and if you say something stupid you had best be ready to defend what you said. Many of us are libertarians and independent thinkers. We love our guns, gold and silver. That said, I welcome you.
Peace
Awww.
Someone is drunk on their own preceived delusions of grandeur....
Maybe you need a safe space?
Or a pillow for your head?
I rarely downvote but you deserved it this time.
Passive aggression is an aberrant behavior. We are where we are due to passive aggression that has gone unrecognized for a century. Extended hand to shake and a knife held behind the back is a blanket description of passive aggression. This is a tool used to get along in the world for the misfits. And make no mistake, the misfits are not us. This is a learned behavior passed down from generation. I recognize it as mother was raised in a catholic institution, and they employed these methods for fast results. No love was ever lost. Orphanages were a business. Medicating inmates without their knowledge. Punishing them with solitary confinement, public humliation, lack of primacy during toiletry, and most of all with FOOD.
I have never typed or spoke the word chosen by hateful people to describe the African americans. But I will say that a religious cult has the whole fucking world BY THE BALLS and they are more often than Jewish.
The plans are in books, discussed in videotapped and recorded conversations by the most respected rabbis and scholars. They have been chosen to lead because we are too stupid. But we had to build the infrastructure first. Then, they take it and shove us off the cliff.
We are on a train to the Cassandra Crossing. You understand that don't you? It is intentional and it is being done in such a fashion that the misery will be more dramatic that would otherwise be necessary in a people bubble. This is genocide. Anyone not fighting for their life right now sentencing their children to tax slave status to bankers primarily jews and contempt-laced pus is exuding from the fine print when reference is made ot the middle class.
Consumption was 24/7, buy EZ credit, liar loans predatory lending. Genocide comes in many forms.
Fuck the jews. Silent approval of this nasty savage-like plan? Fuck no. Dancing.
Never take sides against the fucking family.
well bunny, fuck you, as you generalize all joooooos are to blame, please do not seek help, a frontal lobotomy will do just fine.
People need to say shit like that, and more often, precisely because it does help humanity. If we concede the battle over freedom of speech and thought, then there is no way to win the war. The very reason we have so many niggers of all colors with the rise of the idiocrisy is because our predecessors forsook natural law and freedom and sacrificed the citizenry and future of humanity at the altar of State salvation. The State cannot provide security or education... much less freedom, yet it is quite capable and has a proven record of usurping them. Despite this, the untermenschen still worship at its altar, first for common defense, then lifting the downtrodden, then feeding the fat, then adding credit financed gilding to the prison, and now shielding the brainwashed "minds" with paper legislation and regulation that purports to exceed the signal attenuation characteristics of lead (never mind tinfoil).
Dictionnaire philosophique dans lequel sont réunis les ..., Volumes 9-10
plenty of jerks here. plenty of good folks too.
Come! Have a seat at the table.
Personally, Johnmack2, I could easily call you Friend.
JohnMack2 - Where the hades is your question, braggart?
are you a racist democrat? or a conservative?
I like Manipulation's way of putting it..."We are all black sheep here".
If someone's comment offends me I scroll on to some opinion I like. And, zh has a down vote option, unlike the sufferable other social media sites that do not want anyone being offended.
Welcome to the club. The benefits here out weigh the angst of putting up with some of the riff raff.
I think when we say nigga, we are just emulating the negroes who use it every other word...i applaud you for your industriousness, and firmly believe there are many many fine, upstanding loving african americans, who deserver my respect. Problem is, there are so many nowadays who have taken the handouts and now feel entitled, and are the biggest racists i have ever known.
Some people are thankful
and some people are just ass holes
You eat what you serve
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Final Solution Productions was operating under this front while editing and producing the terrorist videos from their Hollywood studio.
“Around 2300 hours last night, in conjunction with Office of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Los Angeles Police Department, officers seized the assets at 42568 Vine St., arresting six individuals,” said FBI Special Agent Kendrick D. Williams from the LA division. “Two additional suspected were apprehended at their residence at that same time. All eight are being held as suspects in distributing and creating terrorist propaganda and are awaiting formal charges.”
- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/hollywood-studio-caught-producing-isis-videos/...
damn, your cut and pastes are tiresome bunny, seek immediate help, you have been brainwashed.
sometimes you have salient posts, but this jooooo thing has got ya...
Throughout history a Leisure Class forms at the top.
The toil of the working and middle classes supports the upper, Leisure class.
We still have our aristocracy in the UK.
You are just forming your aristocracy in the US.
It is not about hard work but inherited wealth and privilege.
Adam Smith:
“The Labour and time of the poor is in civilised countries sacrificed to the maintaining of the rich in ease and luxury. The Landlord is maintained in idleness and luxury by the labour of his tenants. The moneyed man is supported by his extractions from the industrious merchant and the needy who are obliged to support him in ease by a return for the use of his money. But every savage has the full fruits of his own labours; there are no landlords, no usurers and no tax gatherers.”
And so financialization destroyed capitalism and created slavery.
Ironically, this article is brought you on the Internet.
A platform created by government funded scientists working for the purpose of furthering human knowledge and not investor profits.
Cause you know, profits only measure how much value you can extract from someone else's work. They don't necessarily measure all productivity. Just ask your mother what she was paid to cook your Thanksgiving dinner.
AlGore created the Internet.
....and don't act like you didn't see that coming.
Edit.
From where did the money to pay the " government" scientists come ?
" hey, you didn't build that"
BHO
Oh yeah, free market capitalism has won. Americans are going to spend 830 dollars on christmas this year and god knows how much on thanksgiving. Of course for a large part that will be debt. Americans are brought into a collective called debt. Debt society is the (not so) new collective, people.
you can thank socialism for the that, and croney captialsim we have today, you have never experienced true free markets my boy, that has been dead longer than you've been alive.
Hey uncle Asshole, remember that thousand bucks you owe me for the van I sold you? Yeah, I know you will pay up but when? Thanks for the 22 cents. I hate this time of year.
We stole the land from the indigenous peoples. We may be reaping exactly what we sowed.
they didn't own it asshole
Yup, those dumb collectivists never thought of parceling it out.
you stole the truth and we want it back...jokes over asshole
FYI - massachusets is not, in fact, a "state" in and of itself. taxachusetts is officially the "Commonwealth (commmon wealth) of Massachusetts"
Wildbad - True, but tell that to the octopus in DC.
Good point Wildbad. I remember a tv quiz show where a knowledgeable contestant was asked how many states in USA. His answer started with the qualification 'including the Republic and commonwealths but excluding the unincorporated territories.....'
I was last in US in 1990 and it appeared that the gift of road cones should be thanked for keeping motorists out of pot holes, I expect they are all repaired now. I thoroughly enjoyed my month in the tristates area and the stopover in LA/Vegas
And so assigned to every family a parcel of land...
an officious oaf "assigned" parcels based upon what he thought was best and you call that capitalism? it seems to me with an entire continent to the west that whatever I can clear with my own hand, or kill by my own wits should be mine.
the lloyd blankfeins of the world came later to corrupt the leaders, broker the shady deals, and basically skim off the top. too bad the pilgrims didn't have his brand of crony crapitaklism, eh?
We can't help it that you are a mental weakling, and cannot see for yourself, but have been brainwashed against what is the truth. True today, we have fascism, and we have been going socialist since the days of FDR, but you could not see that, how quaint.
Thanksgiving true meaning is murder.
“a day of thanksgiving kept in all the churches for our victories against the Pequots”
Signed - Massachusetts Bay Governor William Bradford
Massacre any who are not believers/followers in your cause, praise (deity name here).
so it does look like we are maintaining the true spirit of Thanksgiving.
hahahaha, you are a murderer - of the truth...what a waste of flesh you are, sad.
It's very interesting to see all the views. My father was not on board with the 'special relationship' of England and US, so as a child in England I was taught that the thanksgiving was for the plague that eradicated the native population. The colonists were so happy about it that they gave blankets to the natives - Oh wait
Last of the mohicans indeed.
Another bald face lie, nice to see so many here have their heads so far up their asses it's not funny.
Praise be to all the brothers and sisters who elected Obama bin Laden to office. Let us do the victory dance.
Never let facts get in the way of a good narrative. The Pilgrims were never communist. They were shareholders in the joint project. They did not starve to death because of communism. They died from disease and cold. Much of the problem concerning food stems from their staggering ineptitude and lack of preparation. They basically had no clue how to survive in the new world and came there woefully unprepared. They went hungry in a land of bounty because they refused to eat local game and plants.
The organisation of the Mayflower Compact was commercial, not communal. They decided to organize in this manner to increase the overall profits of the entire enterprise and repay their debts faster, not in the name of some bizarre homage to Plato or the Bible.
If the Mayflower Compact failed, so be it. But to call it communism is akin to calling any modern corporation communist since workers and investors band together to maximize profits.
But, please, carry on. This sorry retelling of history pops up from time to time. Its relevance to Obama and modern America is less than tenuous.
Expat, there are lies, and damn lies and you sir are a damn liar! You don't know history, you throw out the facts, written right in front of your warted nose. It will end badly for you. Move along, these are not the drueds you're looking for!
So, basically, your response is "neener, neener, you suck"?
Surely you can do better since you apparently know history. Can you please reread the terms of the Mayflower Compact and explain to me the nature of the agreement by which the brethren organized themselves. And you might also take some spelling lessons. Or would being correct get in the way of your being "right"?
ohhhh, grammar police now, k
no i just hate communist liars such as yourself, go blow marx
expat, you gave up your right to chime in pussy, you ran away like the mongrel you are, how do you like me now?
moron
The Mayflower Compact was based simultaneously upon a majoritarian model (taking into account that women and children could not vote) and the settlers' allegiance to the king. It was in essence a social contract in which the settlers consented to follow the compact's rules and regulations for the sake of order
so take your bullshit somewhere else fella...majority rule, social contract = communism
you cant understand the meaning, so critical thinking is out the window for you, amoeba
Gov.Brandford's observations have been printed more often the last few years. Every person with capitalism running in their veins has read it and sees similarities to the past and present. He may not even have written it...perhaps it was written during the cold war as propaganda to fight the communist hordes? I only first read it after the 2007 election. Has ayone seen the original print in Bradford's own hand writing?
That aside, I'd like to use it compare to today. Today the UN has an agenda to reduce the world's population, to reduce carbon emissions, to reduce sovereign nation's abilties to rule themselves. There is talk of meat taxes to reduce carbon emissions. There is talk of carbon taxes, to redistribute the world's wealth. Ah yes...there's that term from Bradford's day, "Redistribute the wealth"
Years ago Stalin had a similar plan to "redistribute wealth" by taking state control of food production. It was actually a plan to depopulate the farmers who owned the land, and it worked. Ask how many died of starvation in the Ukraine. The state farms never did produce enough to feed the masses and imports from capitalist countries were needed. Dictatorships always needed to get rid of private farmers. Individualism from farmers, was a bad example to the rest of the nation. Farmers had to be removed.
So now we have Agenda 21, a UN platform to control governments with an elite, "top down" governing approach. Is carbon reduction at the coming Paris meetings about reducing carbon or reducing capitalism? Is it a planned way to tax the world's farmers into submission? Is it indirectly a way to de-populate the world?
The original manuscript is at the Massachussets statehouse on deposit at the library there.
Doubtless it will be burned as Bradfords observations depart ever more widely from those of his heirs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Plymouth_Plantation
No, the colonists were not communist, as Marx would not be alive for another two centuries.
They were, as the article correctly states, COLLECTIVIST along the lines of Plato's "Republic".
Of course, to be fair, all the ideological descendants of Plato's Republic, including both Communism and Socialism have a great deal in common.
Also his earlier descendant "SERFDOM"... Whose main difference is that it does not assert that both those who create material property and those who are privileged to be able to redistribute it at will...Including to themselves....are equal.
Only a blind idiot would think both he and the Commisar that ruled him were equal in any real sense.
I never said the "colonists were communists". I hate when people change the wording of my comments.
My comment was made to compare the inept food redistribution of Bradford's colony, to future food shortages caused by the destruction of property rights of farmers.
Bradford learned from their new world mistake...And the UN is using the history of collectivism to further their goals of new world government.
Imagine if Germans were to eat pig every year and celebrate Auschwitz Day...that is the true meaning of "Thanksgiving" where the genocide of the Native Peoples is NEVER EVER mentioned as the spawn of murderous colonial intruders celebrate the genocide perpetrated by the first Britlander trash on the continent.
Fireman, you wouldn't know freedom if it smacked you in the face! Communists like you use hypotheticals to advance your arguements, nice strawman there. One day there will be a great awakening and idiots like you will shit your panties.
All I know is when I went shopping to purchase the food for my family contribution to the great feast, there were 2 other people in front of me using their EBT cards to celibrate THEIR Thangsgiving spending my tax "payment" so they could particpate in the great gorging. So the government is now the substitute for whatever was a ruling council back in olden times but the "progress" they have since accomplished is simply a regression into a proven failed utopian dream that itself will fail again.
Then be thankful that the misery of engaging in a failed and failing system will be temporary.
It seems to me that Thanksgiving has mutated into a kind of a give-thanks-to-your-government holiday.
The only meaning national holidays have to me is time off to be with family.
A Thanksgiving Prayer! https://youtu.be/sLSveRGmpIE
"Industry became the order of the day as the men and women in each family went to the fields on their separate private farms."
How about that, slave-owners and land-stealers are examples of industry and working in the fields! Who knew? I guess ZH knows.
In fact, they owned no slaves. That was introduced by the French and Dutch from their Caribbean colonies to the south.
Nor were the native tribes forced from their land. The native tribes experienced constant warfare amongst themselves. There were periodic wars also between settlers and natives...but in less proportion.
Instead settlers developed relatively good relations with the surrounding tribes, such that the unattached young men of the settlers, who always outnumbered the women, we're able to bargain for wives with the natives.
Many also settled in the native villages with their native brides. This was so common, that within a century the identity of the villages as "native" or "settler" became more a matter of convention than cultural identity to such degree that by the 1740's it was common for villagers to have native first names and English surnames.
The tribes, who did not share a uniform language, also began to increasingly use English, as from common heritage, it was understood by most... So it became a cause for concern as the tribal elders passed away, that their grandchildren did not actively maintain their language or separate tribal identities.
The real "Last of the Mohicans" did not die battling white invaders. His name is remembered. He died in an English bed tended by his English daughters, and was simply the last of the tribe to follow "the old ways".
Ditto to the Algonquin.
The truth you were never told is written indelibly in our mitochondrial DNA.
Hey bunny, you're my serial junker, and could not be more proud, i wear the down arrow as a badge of honor here, amongst the liars and denegrators of true liberty.
Yes, let us gather with the needy hoards who are fighting in line to board container ships and sail west to live in china and N Korea. Let us all line up in Miami and fight with others to get on shitty rafts and boats and hope to land on the shimmering shores of Cuba. Lets argue about how many bottles of water we should carry this time of year to flee this fucked up USA and flee to Mexico. Maybe I will contact relatives that remain in Alberta and start getting pointers on trapping skills as I flee to Canada to leave this shitty country.
You want to rewrite history? Go ahead. You dont like this country? Leave. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. My dad moved here and became a US citizen in 1950. He raised 7 kids. i am 60. i raised three lovely daughters. In April , God willing, my 6th grandchild will be born. i am thankful. Look around. If you have a roof over your head and arent out in the weather, be thankful. If you can hear the laughter of children, be thankful. If you have food on grocery store shelves when you go shopping, be thankful. There are no enemy tanks rolling down our streets, be thankful. If you are reading this post, be thankful, you are literate. Do you know how many people on earth can't read?
I am done. It has been said all of life is attitude. It has been said 90 percent of life is what happens to and for you and 10 percent how you react to it. Why don't we react to Thanksgiving, regardless of origin, with some thankfulness. Why not smile? Lend a hand up? Be a difference in someones life. A good buddy of mine who is an electrical lineman just lost sight in his right eye virtually overnight. He can't work. It is a union gig. He was much more thankful last year. How about it.
If you whine you surround your self with whiners. I once heard the character you possess is reflected by the type of people you draw into your life. Lets draw some thankful people in here. Down arrow away. You have two eyes you are reading this with. i am thankful for much. Good holiday to all.
Hahaha, nice extrapolation of the divide of profits between capital and labour.
In an age of rising inequality all fed on financial delusion and labour manipulation via slave arb outsourcing we now have the 1% ruling the roost on "other people's sweat and credit accounts". Sleep tight the pilgrims of off shored money piles.
Thank you forefathers for having stolen a continent from the indigenous and thank the current generation of Oligarchs for having continued the stealing of Oil and RM all over the world including the labour of the impoverished.
Now you have a beanstalk of capitalism's hi-rise fed on steroids to an extent that even Lance the cyclist would blush all red.
"These guys make moar money in their toxic beds then I did climbing that hill".
"Better dead than red" now reads "better stripped naked and China's indebted slave."
Some thanks can be given to the architects of this infamy on this day I guess.
"A day which will live in infamy"... comes back as boomerang to land of Uncle Sam that now despises the man who said it.
This item is pure bullmanure.
you mean like the crap you spew? got it