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Is Turkey Lying: Rescued Russian Pilot Says There Was No Warning Before F-16 Opened Fire
The conflicting stories over yesterday's dramatic downing of a Russian jet on the Syria-Turkish border continue to grow, and after the ongoing confusion whether the Russian pilot did or did not enter Turkish territory for a grand total of 17 seconds, moments ago Konstantin Murahtin, the co-pilot from the downed Russian jet who survived the ground fire by US-armed rebels unlike his pilot, and who was rescued by the Syrian army, said that contrary to official reports that Turkey had somehow warned the Russian jet "10 times" (in 17 seconds?) that it would fire, Turkey had in fact given no warning whatsoever before downing the Russian jet.
This is what he said, cited by Sputnik:
"There were no warnings. Not via the radio, not visually. There was no contact whatsoever. That's why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand what the cruising speed of a bomber is compared to an F-16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by heading on a parallel course. But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn't even see it in time to take evasive maneuvres."
Murahtin shown in the photo below:
And here he is speaking to the Russian press with an English voiceover:
It would be quite easy to confirm or deny his allegation that Turkey is lying by simply checking the data from the plane's Black Box, and alterantively, from the F-16 that was responsible for the downing of the Russian Su-24, who as shown on the photo below, is one Yb. Uner:
Murahtin also made it clear that he thought there was no violation of the Turkish airspace and added that the crew of the downed Russian bomber jet knew the area of the operation "like the back of their hands."
The co-pilot added that he wants to continue serving in the Russian aviation group in Syria: "I can't wait until I get the all-clear from the medics, so that I can step back into the ranks. I'm going to ask our command to keep me on this base — I have a debt to repay, for my commander."
More in the RT report below:
The bottom line is that someone is lying, and while for now there has been no material escalation in tensions between Turkey and Russia, it is almost assured that Putin is now carefully plotting just what his next move should be, one which will likely include the missile cruiser by the Syrian coast and any Turkish fighter jets that stray into Syrian territory.
For now what Russia appears set on doing next is closing the Syrian border with Turkey. As earlier reported, Moscow backs the proposal of French President Francois Hollande to close the Turkish-Syrian border, Sergei Lavrov said.
"I think this is the right desicion. I hope President Hollande will tell us more about the issue tommorow. We would be ready to consider all measures that needed for this [closing the border]. By closing the border we will basically thwart the terrorist threat in Syria," the minister said.
But Lavov was not finished. In a press conference earlier today, he first said that "Moscow is not avoiding contacts with Ankara" citing his phone conversation with the Turkish FM as proof.
He press on saying that "too many indicators showing terrorist threats have appeared on Turkish soil", Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Wednesday.
"We cannot leave everything that has happened without a reaction not because we have to respond somehow, that’s not it. Actually there have been too many indicators on Turkish soil that show a direct terrorist threat to our citizens."
“I think that now we will insist on not just a list of members of this group, but also agree on the overall understanding of the channels the terrorists use to get their feedlines and support."
“We will somehow probably have to deal with certain countries so that this support ends,” Lavrov added.
It is quite clear just which "countries" the Russian minister was referring to, and it is safe to say the entire world is eagerly looking forward to see just what Russia's ultimate decision will be.
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Yes. Obama lies and Erdogan lies. Putin tells the truth.
Can't even believe I said it.
Erdogan, by shooting down the Russian plane, is trying to pull his main lever against Putin and it ain’t no NATO.
This “lever” is the Bosporus, the Dardanelles, and the Sea of Marmara, which together form the Turkish Straits, connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean.
The passage through the Straits is regulated by the Montreux Convention since 1936.
According to the Article 20 of the Convention, In time of war, Turkey being belligerent, … the passage of warships shall be left entirely to the discretion of the Turkish Government… … a notification to that effect shall be addressed to the High Contracting Parties and to the Secretary-General of the League of Nations.
Now, when was the last time, boys and girls, you’ve heard of a heavily advertised “letter sent to the UN’s Secretary General” about any hostilities, wars, no-fly-zones?
The closure of the Straits can also be overwritten by the Security Council (Article 21).
Erdogan has just shot himself in the ass. He’s enjoyed a very friendly relationship with Putin for a long time, but now he’s got an angry powerful neighbor instead. ;-)
Looney
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Straits
http://sam.baskent.edu.tr/belge/Montreux_ENG.pdf
Of course Erdogan was lying, this was a planned provocation. The USSA and minions, such as Erdogan, are so in LOVE with false flags, that this is how they now govern. Unfortunately for the vile satanists that control our foreign policy, false flags are yielding diminishing returns.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/41-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html
A fighter or bomber without a rear-facing Doppler RADAR is not a good idea. These systems automatically deploy defensive measures include jamming, laser blinders, chaff, and flares. Hell, even commercial jetliners are carrying these things now.
Russia will now run 'top cover' for bombers via MiG interceptors and S400 systems. Once again, Turkey was trying to manufacture an international incident, another false flag to tar Russia as an aggressor.
Unfortunately for the vile satanists that control our foreign policy, false flags are yielding diminishing returns. Russia will re reinforce the border with Turkey, while leaving Erdogan to explain how attacking Russia makes the world safer (tm). Meanwhile, peoples of the European nations, most of whom HATE the Turks, see for themselves that Erdogan is a dirty, treacherous POS supporting the same terrorists that just attacked Paris and Brussels.
Russia's neo-colonial invasion of Syria is a crime against the Syrian people, and threatens the peace and stability of the middle east, and we need to intervene immediately in order to overthrow Assad and restore peace to this region so that Syria can be free. We in the west are to blame for migrant crisis that is plaguing thousands of innocent Syrians, and it is our responsibility to rectify the situation. We need to send a clear message to Russia that we will not tolerate their interference with the Syrian people's efforts to free their nation from Assad and his tyrannical regime. We need to act decisively and put a stop to Russia's war-mongering immediately, for the sake of not only peace in the middle east, but for peace and stability globally.
uh, they have an invitation into Syria. I don't think Assad sent one to the White House....or maybe the US Postal Service lost it.
Ignore this troll.
Stand-up comic by day and blog poster by night - MDB.
'It would be quite easy to confirm or deny his allegation that Turkey is lying by simply checking the data from the plane's Black Box, and alterantively, from the F-16 that was responsible for the downing of the Russian Su-24.'
As far as I am aware, military aircraft don't have 'black boxes' old stick, a little bit too incriminating don't you know...
and the guy in the photo needs to polish his fuckin' boots.
If he gets shot down his feet will be pissed wet through in no time...
By Turkey's own account of the incident, they've said they warned the pilots 10 times they were in Turkish airspace. (I'm not saying they were actually in Turkey's airspace) Also by Turkey's account they were in Turkish airspace for about 2 miles or 17 seconds. I mean just warning them once and allowing time for them to respond would take at least 20-30 seconds. Turkey's own account proves they are lying.
They needed to make sure the russian pilot was dead so he couldn't tell any stories. They screwed that up just like they screwed up the U.S.S. Liberty.
What proves this guy was actually one of the pilots in the downed plane? Because Putin says so?
"Is Turkey lying?"
Gee... I don't know, lets ask the heathen bastards if they did in fact SLAUGHTER 1,000,000 Christian men women and children in one of history's worst acts of genocide and see what they say.
Yeah.... that is what I thought.
LYING, pig fucking, heathen bastards.
NUKE 'em Vlad.
Turkey just put herself on a straight path towards a world of hurt:
http://goo.gl/wbvm16
How on Earth can an aircraft in the class of the SU-25 not have any kind of missile warning system? How on Earth can the Russians run combat ops in an area where ground or air-based surviellance wouldn't pick up an enemy missile launch?
Hmmm. . .
wow...glad that guy lived! I had thought I heard up til now that both of those guys died from the scumbags shooting them out of the sky. But what he said makes perfect sense with what we were thinking yesterday, so I'm glad he's around to verify the situation as it was:
"There were no warnings. Not via the radio, not visually. There was no contact whatsoever. That's why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand what the cruising speed of a bomber is compared to an F-16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by heading on a parallel course. But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn't even see it in time to take evasive maneuvers."
this was exactly what we were thinking yesterday...they had to have been ambushed or else they would not have been shot down so easily like that. And also, as he says, they had been flying that same patrol for a long time and knew the area very well.
This makes is sound even more plausible that they were ambushed on purpose by the Turkish pilot. He probably also flew patrols there frequently and knew the Russian flight pattern and somebody gave the go ahead to shoot them down.
That too...
If you took the time to inform yourself before commenting you might have discoverd that Turkey has been dealing with Russian incursions into thier airspace for several days. They have warned the Russians repeatedly over several days. I have no doubt that a decision was made at the highest level to take down the next Russian plane which violated Turkish airspace perhaps even without further warning. Good on them.
Yep. Turkey drew a line in the sand. And we all know how durable a line in the sand in the Middle East is.
Ahem... NATO an Russia, and before it the Soviet Union, have been playing these games for 60 years son. How many shoot downs did they have? Oh yeah, Gary Powers... over Russia. Literally thousands of intercepts. THOUSANDS. ZERO shoot downs. ZERO. All this bullshit about "they were warned." Where do you guys get this shit from? You think this is the Podunk Sheriff's office? SMFH.
Russians been flying combat ops in that area since they arrived. Turks know it. We know it. Everyone knows it. This shit is solved with telephone calls between full bird colonels followed by hard drinks after.
You shoot on people when you have an agenda.
"They were warned." Pffffff............ South Koreans lined us up with 20mm's over the No Fly Zone so many times if they pulled the shit the Turks did I'd be fucking dead right now. "They were warned." What a jackass comment.
Best comment in this thread.
So easy to tell whose actually been in combat situations from the comments.
My dear friend MDB, we miss you. Unlike the brain burned ukie trolls who spew hateful nonsense, at least you have something substantive to say, even if I disagree. Welcome back :-)
He's usually better than this. Maybe it's the subject matter, spoofing the possible start of WWIII just lacks class. Valentine would be disappointed with this post.
ISIS and thier supporters are getting desparate. By Russia taking out the oil trucks... it's causing a major hit to the illegal oil trade between Turkey and ISIS. SOme have estimated that revenue to be close to 1 billion this year. Russia just needs to keep smashing, and get international support to keep applying pressure to get the Syrian/Turkish border shut down. The worst thing Russia can do now is over-react and give the NATO asshats a reason it increase the pressure elsewhere.
I consider myself to be a sardonic fuck at the best of times but this guys wit, for lack of a better term, leaves me as speechless as Alan Fucking Greenspin's disertations ........ turns out in that case there was a very good reason I couldn't understand what that useless wrinkle was talking about ..... I failed bullshitenese class. Oh well poor me.......
Hes been here for years, sort of an acquired taste. I lit him up the first time too. One of the Tylers in drag no doubt..
judging by the amount of downvotes, me thinks many dont get it.
"Stand-up comic by day and blog poster by night - MDB."
it gets old.
ebear, I think a little levity on ZH lightens the burden of the terrorizing TRUTH that haunts us all daily. Over his last 4 years here on Zero Hedge MDB has joined the ranks of some of this site's most appreciated commenters. This is something you will only learn with time.
To be honest, I couldn't tell whether MDB was for real this time. A perfect Poe's Law post.
Turkey = Radical Islam backstabber in NATO
Turkey should be kicked out of NATO until they prove without a shadow of a doubt, that no radical islamic groups are given any kind of support or civic voice in their country.
Turkey was vetted.
Y'all remember Sibel Edmonds? "… our freedom is under assault -- not from terrorists -- for they only attack us, not our freedom, and they can never prevail. No, the attacks on our freedom are from within, from our very own government: and unless we recognize these attacks … and stand up, and speak out -- no, shout out -- against those in government who are attempting to silence the brave few who are warning us, then we are doomed to wake up one sad morning and wonder when and where our freedom died."
Yeah that Sibel Edmonds, Blew the whistle on spies in the service of Turkey working inside the FBI/CIA and god knows where else up to and including the oval office (my speculation there but then they are all whores for somebody Clinton had China, Bushes had House of Saud)
Love how they gagged her exposing the pedo's.
Instead she posted pics.
Bastids.
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Love your work, MDBB_, stay classy
Hardly anything "classy" about advocating a neo-conservative agenda. The world has seen quite enough of this.
Grow some skin buddy, we've seen quite enough of your obvious lack of comprehension for well-crafted satire.
+100
MDB, welcome back. Long time no see. I missed your unique form of sarcasm. However, it appears, judging by the down arrows, that there are some that need to learn what the word "irony" means.
and the difference between MillionDollarBonus and MillionDollarBonus_...
Fair cop.
Having said that the site's (very inflexible) search engine turn's up nothing for milliondollarbonus but does find milliondollarbonus_. Are you sure the original handle was milliondollarbonus? For the avoidance of doubt there's also a milliondollarbogus.
Try separating the words, I dunno.
Yup, definately was...
MDB
Great satire, as usual. You are clearly misunderstood by many here.
But shooting down a Russian plane has zero to do with Turkey's interests- it has everything to do with the millions/billions Ergogan has been pocketing personally, with Obama's and NATO's tacit consent, from the ISIS oil being transported by Turkish (innocent) drivers in Turkish oil trucks.
Nothing complicated here- Tony Soprano got a message from one of the big 5 families to stop fucking around; so Tony popped a Capo. Now Tony is going to find out if the other 4 families want an all out war over a little leaguer in New Jersey.
K
Stalin put it simply: If you are strong and powerful, everybody will recognize you your rights to do whatever you pleased.
Just look at the US foreign policies, endless invasions, and interventions after the fall of USSR.
Presently Russia is weak economically and militarily but has many nukes. However, chances that Russia will use it nukes for a regional conflict is between zero and none. Militarily Russia uses old or somewhat modernized Soviet military equipment and systems.
"We need to act decisively and put a stop to Russia's war-mongering immediately..."
Who's "we"?
FUll retard. Yes, we are responsible. Should we continue to fuck up everything by being idiots over there? No, we should completely back off and let the muslims/arabic populations deal with their own shit. We just have to defend our own territory and only act when someone actually asks for help. Assad asked Russia for help, didn't he? So who is the only legal fighter over there? That's not NATO and the US for sure.
"... and only act when someone actually asks for help"
And we should charge a fee for our help.
"An empire can only survive if it is a profit center"
Donald Trump
KIll yourself.
Do you work in Langley or Tel Aviv? Russia was invited into Syria by the legal government of the sovereign nation of Syria. Any American military actions inside that country are an act of war and a war crime.
Get back into hiding you moron.
America's neo-colonial invasion of Syria is a crime against the Syrian people, and threatens the peace and stability of the middle east, and we need to intervene immediately in order to protect Assad and restore peace to this region so that Syria can be free. We in the west are to blame for migrant crisis that is plaguing thousands of innocent Syrians, and it is our responsibility to rectify the situation. We need to send a clear message to America, that we will not tolerate their interference with the Syrian people's efforts to free their nation from USA and his terrorist's regime. We need to act decisively and put a stop to America's war-mongering immediately, for the sake of not only peace in the middle east, but for peace and stability globally.
"We need to send a clear message to Russia ..."
Yes, that message being: The US will not cease on its efforts to obtain a right of way through Syria for a gas pipeline that will bring natural gas from Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Israel to Europe.
"The US will not cease on its efforts to obtain a right of way through Syria for a gas pipeline that will bring natural gas from Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Israel to Europe".
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The US will not cease on its efforts to obtain a right of way through Syria? LOL
Who are the US, in terms of the sovereign choice of Syria?
The United States will be have war with Russia and will be wiped out if they think that they are gods who have the right to decide the fate of other countries and peoples.
Uh you left off the /s
Well, MillionDollarShitForBrains, you just outdid yourself. While obviously being a Nigtard Pinko Fascist Commie when it comes to Financial Markets, today you have also exposed your 'wisdom' on international affairs. All I can say is a COWARD sides with what gives him comfort and not necessarily the TRUTH, COWARDS will be running for the hills soon when TSHTF here in the USSA....
I will edit for you:
"ISRAEL'S ZIONIST invasion of AMERICA is a crime against the AMERICAN people, and threatens the peace and stability of THE WORLD, and we need to intervene immediately in order to overthrow ZIONISTS AND NEO-CON ZIONIST LACKEYS and restore peace to THE WORLD so that AMERICA AND THE WORLD can be free. We in ISRAEL AND ZIONIST CONTROLLED CENTERS OF POWER are to blame for migrant crisis that is plaguing thousands of innocent EUROPEAN PEOPLES, and it is our responsibility to rectify the situation. We need to send a clear message to ISRAELI LEADERSHIP that we will not tolerate their interference with the AMERICAN people's efforts to free their nation from ZIONIST DECEPTION and ITS tyrannical regime. We need to act decisively and put a stop to ISRAELI war-mongering immediately, for the sake of not only peace in the WEST, but for peace and stability globally."
GOOD. THIS SOUNDS MORE CORRECT.
Erdogans stupidity is Russia's gift. Soon Northern Syria will be a no-fly zone for anything Nato and Russia will control the border to Turkey.
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One of you more, shall we say, succinct replies?
Best one yet...
Afterburning engines would be too hard on a radar - not a lot of room in the empenage. Fighters and bombers use radar warning receivers (RWR) to detect the target tracking radars for active and semi-active missiles, and for radar guided AAA. RWR can detect search and track radar and tell the difference between the two. An unobserved entry to IR missile parameters is tough to defend against.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/what-will-russia-do-world-awaits-in...
"In the event of a violation of airspace, there are military protocols which seek to mitigate behaviors of the country whose airspace has been violated, as well as the intruding aircraft. Warning jets are deployed to establish contact with the foreign aircraft, ensuring their full visibility (given the possibility of a failure of navigation or control equipment aboard the foreign jet.)
This aircraft is then accompanied out of the said airspace, sometimes landing in the host-nation’s aerodrome. If the offending aircraft continues on its flight path into foreign airspace, ‘friendly fire’ is permissible to serve as a warning to the crew of the aircraft. An attack against the aircraft itself is a last resort action of self – defense, having established the intent of the aircraft.
None of the preliminary steps were carried out by Turkey. The attack was sudden, without warning, and according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, took place over Syrian airspace.
What could be the motives of Turkey, as a Member of NATO? Turkey is on the side of ISIS in this war, with their efforts aimed against the Kurds. Secondly, Turkey benefits from huge amounts of cheap oil extracted and sold by ISIS. Thirdly, Turkey is a member of NATO is entirely under the influence of the US.
This leads me to my next point; what was our SU-24 doing at the time of the attack? It was bombing a column of oil trucks, on their way to Turkey. Effectively, it was burning said “petro-dollars” from the sale of illegal oil. The movements of these columns are controlled by the CIA through their people within ISIS. This attack has one major motive. Take a look at what happened immediately after the incident; Turkey has initiated, on advice of the US, a meeting between the heads of NATO states.
This is an attempt to throw into disarray the apparent warming of relations between Russia, France, and possibly Germany – the anti-ISIS coalition. Allowing this coalition to flourish would be akin to suicide for Washington. This is why the operation to disengage the EU from Russia has been so quick, despite the mutual fight against international terrorism. International terrorism is consistently used as a foreign policy pawn on behalf of the United States."
^^^ Nailed it^^^
Anyone else find it ironic that the surviving Russian pilot is named Konstantin, after him who placed his moniker on the great city, Constantinople? Place your bets...will Istanbul remain Turkish for hundreds of years more or is a change coming?
Hopefully Constantinople will return to the Greeks
Errh, the Romans, surely.?
What would this be then the 10th Crusade?
Inside 3 years. Remember this post
yeah turkey is lying because Russia always tells the truth.
"Erdogan, by shooting down the Russian plane, is trying to pull his main lever against Putin and it ain’t no NATO.
This “lever” is the Bosporus, the Dardanelles, and the Sea of Marmara, which together form the Turkish Straits, connecting the Black Sea with the Mediterranean."
True. But how realistic of an option do Russia have in getting a supply line going from the Caspian Sea to Iran/Iraq/Syria? Is that possibility completely off the table? If passage to Syria's coast is required, I can see a naval to land to naval route involving only Iran and the Suez canal as an intermediary. Turkey's area of influence can be bypassed completely if they maintain poor relations with Egypt.
That is an interesting piece of information. Thanks. Closure of the Straits is a guarantee for trouble in the region.
You did. Now embrace it.
Turks have been know to lie.
The "Deep State" as penned by Peter Dale Scott has its roots in Turkey.
War is a racket, all major powers are working together. ISIS is a complete fabrication, Russia knows this, it is all theater for the masses to distract everyone from the trillions that they stole from us. Don't buy into the propaganda... ISIS, really? We are in full retard mode if we believe there is a small group of 'terrorists' in the desert that are just as powerful as the superpowers. What a friggin joke, wake up you idiots!!!! Russia, China, USA, Europe, they are ALL ON THE SAME TEAM!!! There are elites, and there are peasants... guess who we are?
ISIS is getting through ship loads of money every day. Their armaments and finance all come from western souces or arab allies like Saudi.
With so many countires dropping bombs they keep bumping into eachother, and UK about to send a squadron of biplanes, still nothing vital gets struck??
The only good thing is , if you follow comments on other sites, a sizeable minority no longer buy the government/media line.
Best comment on this thread.
Wish I could uprate it more than once
yes, its all just narratives. no need to investigate any further.
War is a racket, all major powers are working together. ISIS is a complete fabrication, Russia knows this, it is all theater for the masses to distract everyone from the trillions that they stole from us. Don't buy into the propaganda... ISIS, really? We are in full retard mode if we believe there is a small group of 'terrorists' in the desert that are just as powerful as the superpowers. What a friggin joke, wake up you idiots!!!! Russia, China, USA, Europe, they are ALL ON THE SAME TEAM!!! There are elites, and there are peasants... guess who we are?
Disinfo.
Elites are elites - yes, but rulers do differ. Greatly. Some are benevolent some are not. And no, sorry to disappoint, the teams have different cultures and agendas. No way the Russians are on the same team as the Anglo-Zionists. That's the problem - they're *not* on the same team! Hence the current very real danger of nuclear war which nobody, including the elites, wins. My fear however is that power has gone to the heads of certain powers in the West's exceptional nation who believe they can "win" a nuclear war with Russia. Bat. Shit. Crazy.
Edit: not saying the bankers and oligarchs haven't stolen trillions - they have. Only that the picture is quite a bit more complicated than you suggest.
"My fear however is that power has gone to the heads of certain powers in the West's exceptional nation who believe they can "win" a nuclear war with Russia. Bat. Shit. Crazy."
They are more delusional than you think. In fact the West's elites are the prime target in a nuclear war, and even though a small and select strata might have time to hide in a deep bunker, the vast substrata that supports them, runs their bureaucracies and mans their deep state will certainly be annihilated.
No intelligent power like Russia is likely to waste a perfectly good nuke on Paducah Kentucky, but it is certain that the entire population of Manhattan Island, and the DC beltway will be vaporized along with West Los Angeles (propaganda production central) and Silly Valley. The effluvia of the silos in Iowa and Nebraska can be intercepted. Remarkably, our elites and their supporting substrata still believe that the main combatants will be rural boys from Texas and Tennessee which in a strange turn of justice will be the safest places to hide.
The nuclear war our elites seek to provoke will be the first in nearly a thousand years in which the elites themselves will be on the front lines of the combat.
+1000 This is an extraordinary comment. If only we could believe it would be true and actually work.
Agreed. And the 'select strata' that do survive will either starve or face a firing squad when they pop up their heads. The 'Meek' ( those righteous in their thought and deed) will, indeed, inhert the earth....
Maybe....
I think they all lie
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
;-)
I believe the russian at this point before the turks.
Somewhere a russian is writing YB Uners name on a S-400 missile...
yes, i am sure that is exactly what he sez. can we see this pilot?
The Russian threat radar sucks, that is for sure.
He told me he's tired and doesn't wanna see anyone, especially us.
She obviously lies
Turkey can't be lying. Obama said so.
To believe a turkey you have to have him cooked well first, only then it's optional.
A bear could probably safely eat an undercooked turkey though.
(For clarity, I do not trust Putin either. I do not think all Russia's actions are benevolent. However, Turkey is definitely full of stuffing this time.)
It's gonna take a lot of ground troops to close the border with Turkey.
Nothing the Russians, Chinese, Syrians, Iranians and Hezbollah can't do.
Perhaps the french and Germans should join in the effort.
Just think of a "non-UN" peacekeeping force stationed along the border. And they won't need a fence - their 'wall' will be made of 'lead' - try to cross and you die. Also, a handful of people crossing is not an issue - rather the key will be to close the highways - effectively stopping oil tankers, trucks with weapons, large numbers of troops, and even food supplies.
No, drop these on people attempting to cross now and again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon
oh, one more thing. comrade putin showed to the whole world, that russian speaking parts of other countries can be easity and painlessly included into russian empire. since the rest of the world did not do fuck all about it since 2008, it is now erdogan's turn to annex parts of syria that speaks turkish. if you fuckers did not know, there are a lot of ethnik turks that russians were bombing, so if erdogan was to follow your beloved putin's logic, he should be launching a people turkment republic of syria immediately.
last year, russian ariforce was flying into ukrainian airspace on regular basis, venturing as deep as 4 kms into the territory. as if they were asking ukrainian airdefence to react. they completely lost any sense of fear because russian propaganda portrays everbody in the world as a bunch of toothless pussies, that included you - fucking putin lovers on this site. this is great news that turkey punch those fuckers in the face and reminded them that this is not 1945 and they are not in germany.
You are right. This is more like 1943.
fucking putin lovers on this site.
I wouldn't put it quite that way. As an American, I find Washington to be the foremost enemy of the American people. It's sucking the lives and economic vitality out of this country.
I'm sure that Putin is as ruthless as they come. But as the enemy of my enemy, he has my support. It takes a ruthless man to confront a ruthless empire.
Deez_nutz
The SU-24 wasn't bombing them as it flew along (but it will be soon). If Erdogan wants to annex part of Syria he best ask Assad if it is OK.
That would be Assad's decision to say hell yes or FUK NO. Since Putin was invited he too could say something like "Over My Dead Body".
I can't tell you exabut I think there might be lesser Turkmen soon.
"turkment republic of syria" is a nice idea...
I think Kurdish Republic of East Turkey is even better.
Your reputation (e.g. Moniker) preceeds you...
castrate erdogans filthy children he is not even a turk but a stupid georgian jew, who want to drag turkey into a global scale war in favor of his real jew master nato and cia
I found info at the link below that agrees, but do you have more/better evidence?
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/11/turkeys-erdogan-is-jewish.html
first of all get informed about the "young turks" young turks is a movement and many members of this movement were jews
they destroyed turkish monarchy removed/weakend islam and took over turkey
+ "the Jewish population of Ottoman Empire had reached nearly 200,000 at the start of the 20th century."
+ check out this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh
im of jewish descent too i can combine some dots usually only understandable to jews to get the right picture
the first line about erdogan on wikipedia is how much of a liar he is:"Erdo?an was born in the Kas?mpa?a neighborhood of Istanbul to which his family had moved from Rize Province. Erdo?an allegedly said in 2003, "I'm a Georgian, my family is a Georgian family which migrated from Batumi to Rize." However, in a 2014 televised interview on the NTV news network, he said, "You wouldn't believe the things they have said about me. They have said I am Georgian...even with much uglier things, they have called me Armenian, but I am Turkish."
it became clear to me in 2014 that he and the people behind him are jews and turkey is run by jews, but because its a muslim state they hide behind false identeties, when i saw on european tv, that turkey built the second largest synagoge and how turkey is praising its jew population
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/europes-second-biggest-synagogue-turns-into-cultural-center-after-restoration-in-turkey.aspx?pageID=238&nid=49721
i know that a non-jew turkish leadersip/a real turkish leadership would never allow this to happen
raising jews in your country is the same as destroying your childrens future and chance to lead the country
jews will take over media, majaor important key positions, trade and business cooperations etc and jin politics
its comparable to let in criminal robbers in your home over night and say to them here the keys please dont rob me while im sleeping
also questions like why turkey is a member of nato
why do they want to join eu? joining eu = lose independence and control
+being member of nato = not independent/being ruled by someone else and obey his orders
nato and eu are 100% postwar jewish creations from anglo zionists from usa to eastablish the control over the west and central european area
if turkey as non jew ruled state would join them, they would lose influence a but if they are run by jews only then they would actually gain influence and profit from actions
Turkey is lying not only about warning, but about violation of its airspace. In fact, turkish F-16 has violated Syrian airspace to attack our SU.
Obama, NATO and the NWO globalist lie all the time.
Time for Putin to get tough.
Putin: "Patience is a virtue, but mine has run out."
There are going to be may lies in this incident.....why would a pilot admit to screwing up.....you can bet they will all will be watching their locations very closly from here on out......
The art of understanding political motives is in teasing out the truth from the lies. It may be true that the pilot was told what to say. But whether he was lying or not, the political impact is the same. This is another incident in a chain of escalations that knows no end.
According to an ex Dutch general and ex airforce pilot an order to fire on a hostile plane can come only from the highest command in Ankara.
There is your answer.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/24784634/___Ankara_gaf_opdracht_tot_a...
If Turkey was such a great fucking place the Syrian "refugees" wouldn't be clamoring to get to Europe and the US.
Man, the cites of New York, Washington DC and Shanksville should have been contracting with the Turkish Air Force! 17 seconds was all it took to shoot a plane down...
Well, of course, they have had several weeks of Russians overflying Turkey to get ready.
Disaster trolling. You didn't get 9/11 hint, boy.
Done with your cluess tirade ?
It's just too hard to accept that the pilots, if they received warnings, would have maintained silence and continue into Turkish territory.
If true that they spent 5 minutes in Turkish space they would have penetrated several hundred miles. Even the lying US admits they got shot over Syria. i don't blame you. US brains have been washed in harsh detergents. You believe Saddam had wmd and and Ukraine threw over it's own government single handed.
You believe Saddam had wmd and and Ukraine threw over it's own government single handed.
How the hell did you jump to that conclusion?
Crack doesn't smoke itself...
And shit smells like shit. So what's your point?
300 seconds for 200 miles is a speed over land of around 3,500 mph.. Sharpen the pencil friend.. Other than your math, your right..
They didnt give Doctors Without Borders any warnings either.
Russians say whatever they think is to their advantage. Truth is irrelevant.
Russians say whatever they think is to their advantage. Truth is irrelevant.
Substitute Russians with ANY people you can think of and it remains true - so what is your point?
dont think of others the same as you are
The point is, this story is just more silly Russian propaganda. The act that ZH reports as a serious story just shows who they work for.
So tell us, what are your trusted news outlets then?
Yes they always lie isn't it ? Pilot sitting in that plane is also lying everything is sillly russian propaganda because Empire of Chaos lies are not working anymore.
CIA Trolls Infect the NetYou could remove Russians from that comment and insert any nation.
the zionazis love waterboard and naked pyramid truth.
Unlike every other player?
the zionazis forced turkey to shoot down the russian plane. this can't make turkey happy. they can't win a war with russia if russia knows they are going to shoot at them. on the other hand, turkey could just fold to russia and be done with the zionazis once and for all, making nato access to the region almost impossible. that would start ww3 if that is what these guys want.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/08/09/rules-for-flying-blind/
Russian software is not better than any other software. Military software is generally worse.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/22/if-windows-crashes-wwiii/
This is not the geriatric antique that you shot down. /JEDI mind trick
Interesting that the western media (BBC, CNN etc) , who would typically be expected to ignore any story supporting Russia's position, have all run with this. Could mean that the US is prepared to throw Turkey under the bus. But like an iceberg 90% of the actual story is hidden from view.
Don't know about Turkey but the US will gladly throw Erdogan under the bus.
OF COURSE THEIR LYING! THEIR FUCKING TURKS! THEY LIE ALL THE TIME.
"building will be delivered this week."
"trucks are on the way"
"we will take care of the duties"
"Building will be finished next week"
LIES, LIES, AND MORE LIES.
Do bears shite in the woods?
Do the irish drink a lot?
Do the italians make great food?
Do the germans make great cars?
Do the jews steal a lot?
Do the poles not think too much?
Are swedish women hot?
Any more?