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Is Turkey Lying: Rescued Russian Pilot Says There Was No Warning Before F-16 Opened Fire
The conflicting stories over yesterday's dramatic downing of a Russian jet on the Syria-Turkish border continue to grow, and after the ongoing confusion whether the Russian pilot did or did not enter Turkish territory for a grand total of 17 seconds, moments ago Konstantin Murahtin, the co-pilot from the downed Russian jet who survived the ground fire by US-armed rebels unlike his pilot, and who was rescued by the Syrian army, said that contrary to official reports that Turkey had somehow warned the Russian jet "10 times" (in 17 seconds?) that it would fire, Turkey had in fact given no warning whatsoever before downing the Russian jet.
This is what he said, cited by Sputnik:
"There were no warnings. Not via the radio, not visually. There was no contact whatsoever. That's why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand what the cruising speed of a bomber is compared to an F-16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by heading on a parallel course. But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn't even see it in time to take evasive maneuvres."
Murahtin shown in the photo below:
And here he is speaking to the Russian press with an English voiceover:
It would be quite easy to confirm or deny his allegation that Turkey is lying by simply checking the data from the plane's Black Box, and alterantively, from the F-16 that was responsible for the downing of the Russian Su-24, who as shown on the photo below, is one Yb. Uner:
Murahtin also made it clear that he thought there was no violation of the Turkish airspace and added that the crew of the downed Russian bomber jet knew the area of the operation "like the back of their hands."
The co-pilot added that he wants to continue serving in the Russian aviation group in Syria: "I can't wait until I get the all-clear from the medics, so that I can step back into the ranks. I'm going to ask our command to keep me on this base — I have a debt to repay, for my commander."
More in the RT report below:
The bottom line is that someone is lying, and while for now there has been no material escalation in tensions between Turkey and Russia, it is almost assured that Putin is now carefully plotting just what his next move should be, one which will likely include the missile cruiser by the Syrian coast and any Turkish fighter jets that stray into Syrian territory.
For now what Russia appears set on doing next is closing the Syrian border with Turkey. As earlier reported, Moscow backs the proposal of French President Francois Hollande to close the Turkish-Syrian border, Sergei Lavrov said.
"I think this is the right desicion. I hope President Hollande will tell us more about the issue tommorow. We would be ready to consider all measures that needed for this [closing the border]. By closing the border we will basically thwart the terrorist threat in Syria," the minister said.
But Lavov was not finished. In a press conference earlier today, he first said that "Moscow is not avoiding contacts with Ankara" citing his phone conversation with the Turkish FM as proof.
He press on saying that "too many indicators showing terrorist threats have appeared on Turkish soil", Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Wednesday.
"We cannot leave everything that has happened without a reaction not because we have to respond somehow, that’s not it. Actually there have been too many indicators on Turkish soil that show a direct terrorist threat to our citizens."
“I think that now we will insist on not just a list of members of this group, but also agree on the overall understanding of the channels the terrorists use to get their feedlines and support."
“We will somehow probably have to deal with certain countries so that this support ends,” Lavrov added.
It is quite clear just which "countries" the Russian minister was referring to, and it is safe to say the entire world is eagerly looking forward to see just what Russia's ultimate decision will be.
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Do icebergs have tips?
Do women have tits.
Some don't.
Poor bitches.
Do muslim sheep herders make love to their flock?
Datz racisz
Do you have too much time on your hands?
We all knew that was the case yesterday, the math didn't work out and the jet course map provided by Turkey told us much as well. The quick statements made by NATO were also telling as they were awful quick to make findings of fact. If Turkey does something it is okay because they work for us.
So... are US B52 bombers flying over China's man made islands lately? Psychopaths rules... all laws pertain to others but never to them.
im an american with no military background. i guess my questions are:
1. why was the russian jet flying so lo IF they anticipated being fired-upon? wouldn't they be flying at a higher altitude if they thought either ground fire/rockets/missiles posed a threat OR they felt they needed additional time to prep for attack jets coming from turkey to intercept? just seems to me if im flying close to the syrian/turkey border, i would have put some more space between myself and the ground if i thought i had something to worry about.
2. how come there was NO response from the russian pilots? i mean, russian pilots have never had an issue being chatty with us. i remember on the 4th of july, russian plane were flying in the vicinity of our coasts (while still in international air space) saying "good morning, american pilots ... on your independence day!" ... i actually thought it was kinda funny. some thought it was a slap in the face, but it wasn't as-if they were looking to bomb pasadena or LA. same thing here - its not as-tho russian fighter jets were locked & loaded for istanbul.
i just have a hard time believing that blowing a russian fighter jet out of the air was the only course of action here.
1 more thing to add-on there. the satellite/radar imaging produced showed a sliver of land in-question over turkey that is sandwiched between 2 lots of syrian land. JMO but if im trying to "bait" someone into looking like the bad guy so i can take a cheap shot at them, thats where i would do it. JMO but i do believe the russian pilot was over turkish airspace but in such a remote region that shooting them down THERE was COMPLETELY unwarrented. again, if ANY fighter jet is flying over miami, new york, or LA, they are getting blasted as ANY citizen of ANY country would DEMAND their country/government defend them. the shooting (executing) of the 1 russian pilot + the shooting down of a rescue helicopter just shows the cowardness involved. if i were running the U.S. military and THIS happened, would have been the PERFECT opportunity to get on the phone with moscow and tell them we are sending in our U.S. marines/delta/seals to go save the russian pilots. again, this is just where i stand on things. unfortunately, the guy we have now appears just want mass chaos all around the globe.
THe co-pilot indicated they were hit with an air-to-air missile from the Turkish F-16. It wouldn't matter what altitude they were flying at.
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DARKDAZE - i hear what you are saying and i agree with that account but wouldn't any pilot who THOUGHT they were flying in a hostile region be flying at a higher altitude so that 1. they would have more advanced warning of fighter jets looking to intercept/attack them taking off from the ground and 2. while they were hit by another plane, if they thought they were in POTENTIAL hostile area, wouldn't they want to be higher to avoid potential ground fire (again, it was another jet that struk them, but if a hostile region, would want to stay away from potential ground fire/rockets/missiles)
Our leader goes on TV sating Turkey had the right to shoot down the plane over its territory, thus pardoning Russia for KAL 007. Bozo!
Your correct. But, I believe the spooks were involved in that KAL flight just as they are involved in this. Both labeled as conspiracy theories like everything else. The difference is I really think the spooks at the time thought the Soviets would down an airliner but the pilot was ordered to fire before he had a visual. When he got back to base he wondered if he shot down a Soviet aircraft. This current event is somewhat the same,,, to see what the response is.
Yes,,, Obama just gave the USSR a pardon. Our present politicians aren't too bright.
Unidentified commercial pilot allegedly heard Turks warning over a, quote, "int'l emergency frequency." Two points on this. First of all, civil aviation operates on VHF. It's normal for a/c to monitor the int'l emergency frequency (121.5 Mhz)... but... at least for mil a/c, that is to say, NATO, they're mostly on UHF freqs. The emergency freq for mil is 243.00. I can understand a commercial a/c would hear a Mayday or a warning transmission broadcast via 121.5, but if you're trained military you should know NATO mil aircraft aren't on VHF freqs. So they would transmit via 243.00. Why would a civilian aircraft be on a military frequency? Story makes no sense.
I have no clue about Russian radio protocol, but supposedly this is one of the first things that gets established during any sort of joint ops; what freqs are we gonna be using on comms. Who ever verified the Russian freqs? The Turks were saying the Russians never replied, what process did the Turks use to verify Russian freqs? If you're transmitting and you don't receive a reply your first guess is your target is NOT on your frequency. Pretty fucking simple. Thank god the press are fucking illiterate as FUCK and this sort of details are beyond their range of comprehension to ask or investigate.
Whole thing makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Russian story sounds more likely.
Commercial pilot story obviously put out for easily digestible mass consumption. You raise good points. Turks could easily debunk the Russian claims, IF the Turks weren't lying.
The CIA / Whoever are working on this as we speak,,, expect an announcement soon!
Debunk ? So now pilot is also lying isn't it ?
"...could attempt to debunk...", is that better?
Maybe Turkey was trying to contact them on the My Little Ponly channel.
Read the following sentence as fast as you can:
You know it's fun to stay at the YMCA.
Not fast enough! Turkey pilots could read it 100 times.
It would be most extraordinary for Russian Federation pilot to say otherwise than version that is it's military complex sticks to. Like, really - did anyone expected to hear from him something else?
These aren't the cold war days anymore buddy. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt the co-pilot's word. Why would he lie when Turkey could release the black box data from the F-16 and prove he is lying? But Turkey won't do that, will they.
No surprise there, and no surprise that Russia will move to secure the Syrian border with Turkey.
Maybe we should provoke Russia to invade Mexico? The US Air National Guard could shoot down one of their jets, they secure the border... bazinga!
I would like to hear how will US provoke to invade Mexico
Because shooting down a jet and blaming the impetus for such an act on the Russians worked so well in the Ukraine.
Every time NATO or it's handmaiden Turkey try to pull something, the Russians are right back at them, talking quietly but firmly. So there was no warning to a plane that MAY have been marginally inside Turkish airspace, but still flying parallel to it and not entering further. Turkey looks like, well, a turkey. And so now shit face is amassing tanks on his border presumably to send them in to fight the Syrian Army tanks. Nothing like an 'ally' to help you out when times are tough.
I think the Bear, Vlad, can restore CONSTANTINOPLE, if he so chooses.
Turkish intelligence has always been very close with the Mossad and Shin Bet.
Wait a minute. I thought the official line from Turkey was that they were hailing the Russian aircraft 10 times in the 5 minutes preceding the attack. Roll that video back 5 minutes and the Russians were absolutely no where near that border. 5 minutes is a long distance at those sorts of speeds. So the Turks want us to believe they started hailing the Russians when they were on a regular patrol mission and miles away from the border? Did they have a crystal ball? Can they now tell what planes are going to do 5 minutes before they do it? How does the 5 minutes relate to the 17 seconds? Turkey's story stinks to high heaven. That is not to say the Russians didn't still cross the border but Turkey's lies just do not add up.
This is just about the only way an F-16 can tip the scales against a Russian jet. In a fair fight, where both pilots are aware and ready, and monitoring each other's positions, I doubt the outcome would be like this. I think it was a low life act, considering the mission of the Russian bomber. Why wouldn't Turkey be supporting this?
That is because you know little about capabilities.
AFAIK That SU24 carried no ordnance
SU24 is not air superiority fighter
Bet they'll add the air to air missiles onto the SUs from here
on out.
He was on a vector to overfly the border so it is conceivable that they hailed them. Not that what they did was acceptable.
i also would be more worried that the bomber did not even detect the aircraft or the launch. Says something about radar capabilities.
"He was on a vector to overfly the border "
Really, 5min before the attack? If you roll back the video to 5 min before the attack the Russian aircraft is heading east about 100miles from the border and therefore by definition flying away from the border. How on earth can that be construed as being "on a vector to overfly the border"? Maybe 17 seconds before but not 5 minutes before.
dup the obvious is obvious
Turkey version is full of holes..
Never Trust Turkey...you will awake with throat cut
A great Thanksgiving for the Murahtin's this year, but of course Russia doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving. I imagine their happy nonetheless. Condolences to the Russian family whose son was shot parachuting down by the animals my nation (and the west) have allied with. I and many others vehemently disagree with this unholy alliance but there is little we can do. Our government, Intel agencies and the corporations that run it are out of our control.
And it's a damn shame Russia has to route these animals all by themselves. Be careful,,, don't let the western fascists draw you in to a greater war until your ready.
Is Turkey bankrupt / collapsing and need a diversion?
Is Turkey bankrupt / collapsing and need a diversion?
The answer appears to be yes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11660864/Turkey-becomes-fir...
Without the Russian to Turkey pipeline, the Russian tourism - and the decimation of their purloined Syrian cheap oil truck transport system, things don't look good for any short term spikes in their GDP. What did Washington promise them to get them to shoot off this many toes at once?
Yellen's ear?
Obama, US and NATO support ISIS. What else is there to say?
Can we totally trust NATO and the US government on this? How could Turkey possibly be lying? Honesty and truthfulness comes from the very top of the most powerful nation on earth, right?
Just look at the record of the top man:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling...
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Turks are playing a very dangerous game verging on delusional. Blackmailing the EU for $ so more refugees don't flow north, messing with the bear in a really cowardly and personal way, and trying to hide behind NATO's skirts. Maybe they think because Russia is bombing the flow of ISIS oil that feeds the Turks (mixed with Iraqi oil and exported to Israel with Bilal Ergodan in charge of the Turkish end..yeah, that's the PM's son) that they need to establish a "safe zone" and get NATO to help them do it. Only with a safe zone can the oil continue to flow. Oh, did we not know that Ergodan's daughter in involved with the hospital chain that treats ISIS wounded on the Turkish border? Seems that the covers are coming off and the view is really getting fugly!
Russia relies on Black Sea route for logistics...watch Turkey try and mess with closing the Bosphorus. Russia will seal Syrian airspace and likely go for sealing the border with Turkey and put an end to the tiddly-winks with Turkey. Of course sealing the border will be the final moment of truth in who is serious about ending this all and who is not...and the US is trying to sit on 2 chairs with one ass.
Russia can continue supplying Syria over sea via its harbour in Murmansk.
Distance will be a lot longer but still.
The Black Sea Fleet on the other hand ... will become bath tub ducks of the Black Sea if Turkey closes the straits.
As soon as the Russian Federation fighter jet was shot down the American NATO GI Joe in charge of communications for the Signals Intelligence said that the Russian Pilot was given a warning 10 times before it was shot down. In brief, the cocksucking lying bastards in the CIA are using Turkey as a proxy patsy because they are really gutless cowards that cannot stand up to the Russian Federation themselves.
If I were Putin I would effin' nuke the cocksuckers in the Pentagon for being the unethical whore scum that they really are. Frankly, when the fighter jet black box recorder is recovered we will find that the Russian Federation Pilot is telling the truth about not receiving any warnings whatsoever. What is evident in all these instances of aggression on the part of the cowards in the Pentagon is that they are lying pieces of shit that always lie about everything under the effin' sun.
Up yours, USA Military & NATO douchebag lying scum.
When the news first broke, it was supposedly a Russian fighter jet which had been shot down. Well, maybe it was possible for a "fair fight" if the Russian did violate the airspace.
But now the news states this was a Russian bomber, not a fighter jet.
It sounds increasingly, that this was a "cheap shot" or "sucker punch" against the Russian Bomber, regaredless of what you think about the Russians.
It was a close range missile attack in the bomber tail when the bomber was returning to the base. The bomber flight with relatively slow speed (have a look at the minimal sweep of its wings on the crash video). Fighters are about twice faster so it was an easy target for them, and our pilots didn't expect any attack from turks.
Nevertheless, the US military was quick to point out that the Russian aircraft was in Syrian space when struck. An unhelpful observation, Turkey might think.
Probably some general with a memory of how the Turks shafted Uncle Sam in Gulf War 2 when they wouldn't allow Iraq to be invaded via Turkey, which was the allies' plan. From memory it made everything more difficult, costly and wasted a lot of time - as the invasion was then routed through Basra. Sunnis are sunnis and they weren't going to help Dubya whack Saddam.
The Turks aren't your military allies. They're not even your friends.
Oh, yea, lets rely on GPS while the Russians are jamming it, so the it REALLY IS Russia FAULT, they jammed GPS.. circular logic.. always
Turkish Stream dead, new life to South Stream.
The jet wasn't shot down by an F16. It was a BUK missile.
LoL... and the Syrians did it.. (you left that part out)
Trained by North Koreans.
oops
even the DOS trolls here know they are in the wrong. American soldiers and pilots (not US Federal Government!) are honorable fighters and shooting pilots coming down in their parachutes after they bail out is not proper. even the DOS trolls here (maybe not the Uke trolls) know this. they made the dead pilot a Hero of Russia. God Bless him.
Hope any black box didn't fall into Turk/USSA/CIA/Mossad/ISIS hands and will be reviewed by an international tribunal
I wish we had a Lavrov instead of a Kerry.
Wish their was a US Putin instead of a fucking stinking faggot kenyan cocksucking monkey
Mirror has this alleged brief snippet of the Turk warning. I can't believe they're putting this out. NATO been doing intercepts of Russians since 1950s. Are you kidding me? Shit, my father monitored Russian aircraft when he served. This is definitely not how things are done. The Turks are in deeper shit every minute.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-jet-pilot-says-were-6898879
So... Turk is saying he's on "Guard" freq, which should be 243.00. Gets no reply. Doesn't actually identify himself. Saying "this is Turkish Air Force on Guard..." is actually meaningless. Is he ATC? A/C? Who the fuck is he? Second, only states, "You are approaching Turkish air space," yeah but... like the Russian said, didn't actually intercept the Russian... didn't identify himself... and worst of all... didn't issue a threat warning, as in, "IF you proceed on current heading you WILL be fired on," which is pretty standard.
Let me put it this way. If ALL aerial intercepts were handled the way the Turks handled this one, you'd have about a dozen shoot-downs a month globally, and civil aviation would be all but impossible.
This is just not how its done. Simple as that.
The co-pilot states that they had no radio or visual contact at all before the missile hit them.
As I've posted the details here before, there have been MULTIPLE prior incursions of Russian aircraft into Turkish airspace and warnings were made than they were going to get tough on the issue. Thus, warnings were made prior to this event, not during it.
According to the co-pilot :
"There were no warnings. Not via the radio, not visually. There was no contact whatsoever. That's why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand what the cruising speed of a bomber is compared to an F-16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by heading on a parallel course. But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn't even see it in time to take evasive maneuvres."
It was only one incursion, not multiple (only the first incursion was confirmed). It lasted several seconds. Our jets have no targets on Turkey's territory and are not a threat for it. Turks have many reasons to shoot our jets down, but they have nothing to do with self-defense, because we didn't attack turks. But now we will as self-defense, as no one can say now that turks don't attack us.
Dude please...
What about all the unecessary Russian radar locks on aircraft inside Turkish airspace? That my friend IS clearly an aggressive act on the Russians part.
They got sloppy. They thought they could fly anywhere they want. They were shot down. Full stop.
According to South Front, the Turkmen responsible for shooting the Russian rescue helicopter with the anti-tank weapon provided by John McCrazy are now enjoying their 72 virgins. Not a peep in the western media about this instant Russian response. Would love to see some corroboration of this story.
Russian MOD had ID'd and photos of a Turk, commander of 'Grey Wolves'
his unit just arrived there last days, joined with the Turkmen fighters and
appears they prepared for a ambush shootdown.
Equipped with TOW, that used on the Mi8...
All I know absolute was heavy ordnance was sent on that area once co-pilot/navigator
rescued and all SF units out of way..
I guess we'll never sort out most of the "facts" now, only that the Turkish planes fired on an "intruder" that could have simply been intercepted and guided away instead.
Charles Krauthammer says it was done on purpose because Russia was attacking Turkmen "insurgents" in Syria. Maybe, but maybe it was done "on purpose" by some Turkish Captains or Majors without any forethought. Or not. Outside of the actual facts, it'll be all shadows now.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Is Turkey lying?
Please...
You can't believe a single damned thing coming out of Putins Russia.
The Russian plane was warned. They violated Turkish airspace and were then shot down. Full stop.
The Russians have been pushing their airspace luck all over the world. We had a Russian bomber within 40 miles of the coast of California this summer!
All this bullshit lying from Russia is now just embartassing...
I suppose you believe everything Obama and his merry band of liberal socialists tell you, eh?
I most certainly do not!
Howevfer, this is an undisputed FACT.
Putin was a Major in the KGB/FSB with the official title of "Disinformation Officer"
What does that tell you?
What does that tell you?
He's not to be fucked with.
And Obama was a community organizer. That tells me he's a fucking idiot who says what he's told by Beltway disinformation officers.
Thats what it tells you?
Ok. Cult like behavior is not recommended for a happy life...
Did you learn that from a fortune cookie?
No. You told me.
Then no doubt you know what else I said about you that was too unspeakable to write.
You can't believe a single damned thing coming out of Putins Russia.
At least the Russians don't insult my intelligence with lies a child would believe.
Don't confuse the good Russian people with Putins disinformation machine. Leave them out of it because they are getting lied to more than anyone.
There will be a crystal moment. The Russian people will awaken. Watch and see.
That's not unique to Russia; it's the nature of politics.
From an American perspective, Washington and the MSM have zero credibility. I've learned to take the opposite of what they say as closer to the truth.
Whatever Putin's moral liabilities, he and his Chinese ally are not going to let Washington dominate them as hard they might try. So far, he's been frustrating Washington to no end. That's what I like about him.
Yes, just like the American people woke up and took back control of their government.
The Russians are attacking ISIS and other radical jihadi groups (none of them are "moderates"). They were not attacking Turkey. The Russians are there with the permission of the Syrian government, we are not. That trivial violation, if genuine, is not even close to justifying their action. All these lying governments are publicly stating they are there to destroy ISIS.
There is no need to trust Russia's claims. They are acting in their own best interest. The truth is plain to see and the biggest lie is our own. We've had over a year with a coalition of 60 something nations with the mission to "destroy ISIS". In all that time ISIS got stronger. We've helped create them, train them, arm them, and among other things Turkey gives them safe haven. Even after Obama claims they're contained and the very same day they launch an attack on Paris, the US, its allies, and all the bought and paid for media still stick to the "Assad must go" line. That is ISIS's goal too. Funny that!
If canibalism was a sport Turks would have been undisputed world champions.
God Bless Russia,
From Bulgaria
Well if Israel can't have it's pipeline than neither can Russia.
The world will be brought to war unless the merchant is satisfied.
For Thanksgiving this year, I want Mr. Putin to roast a Turkey for us. Well fucking done.
Ask yourself, "Do I really want to fly Turkish Airlines these days?"
THE LIE SURFACES!!!!!
"But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly"
BULLSHIT!
All modern combat aircraft -- especially when flying real combat missions have electronics that help warn the aircrew of missile radar locks and other offensive capabilities pointed at their aircraft.
THE RUSSIAN PILOT JUST SAID THEY HAD "NO WARNING" WHICH IS OBVIOUS BULLSHIT!
The Turks would have been radar locking them and inside the Russian cockpit, there would be bells, whistles and all sort of things screaming at them they were about to be shot.
C'mon these lies are so dumb now that it isn't even embarassing anymore, it's amateur hour...
I wouldn't rule out that the Turks were set up. Either way, it was stupid to take the bait. That gives Russia the pretense they needed to defend Syria and put the hurt to Turkey for financing ISIS.
You may be correct, but the fact of the matter is that sooner or later combat aircraft experts are going to figure out what I just said -- splash it all over the media and catch Putins disinformation in another embarrasing lie.
The Russian pilot lied in the dumbest way. The entire cockpit of their aircraft was ablaze with warning notifications that they were being targeted. Therefore, the "no warning" thing sinks this dimwitted attempt to make themselves look like the victim.
The American MSM has been putting down Putin for the past ten years or so, and it looks to be working for the zombies who limit their news to those sources. While at the same time, Putin's popularity is very high in Russia and the east. In my experience, once people take sides, they rarely change. This is true thoughout history, no matter how despotic a leader might be. As long as they believe in THEIR leaders.
It doesn't really matter if they lied, though it does add insult to injury. Even if the plane had crossed a small portion of their territory, they had no justification for shooting down a non-threatening aircraft for such a trivial infraction.
It was a stupid act too. The Russians now have a greenlight to attack any Turkish operations over the border and it just became open season on Turkmen in Syria. There's a good deal of retaliatory actions that can be taken without a direct military attack. Turkey won't be able to hide behind their NATO membership as they face a renewed PKK insurgency and the Russians undermine their already fragile economy.
Are you crazy?
The Russians shot down a civilian Boeing 747 over an airspace violation... C'mon...
The Russians have been warned and warned AND warned by the Turks to stay out of their airspace after several incidents. Lets not forget Russian aircraft painting Turkish F16s in the past with their lock on missile radar.
The Russians got splashed after endless outrageous behavior. End of story.
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It looks like a Sukhoi Su-30SM deployed to Syria has had a close encounter with Turkish Air Force F-16s past the Syria-Turkey border.
Russian planes deployed to Syria violated the Turkish airspace twice in the last couple of days.
The violations occurred “on 3 October and 4 October by Russian Air Force SU-30 and SU-24 aircraft in the Hatay region. The aircraft in question entered Turkish airspace despite Turkish authorities’ clear, timely and repeated warnings. In accordance with NATO practice, Turkish fighter aircraft responded to these incursions by closing to identify the intruder, after which the Russian planes departed Turkish airspace.”
Furthermore, it seems that the Russian Su-30SM maintained a radar lock on one or both the F-16s for a full 5 minutes and 40 seconds.
According to the Russians, the violation was due to a “navigation error”: quite funny considered the type of navigation systems equipping a modern Su-30SM.
Yes it a bunch of lies from Turkey. And Turkey did it knowing Putin would be aware of the truth.
They did it anyway because Putin/Russia always retreats from direct conflict with NATO.
Even Turkey no longer fears Russia. Now Russia will be pushed repeatedly and may be pushed back to their naval base only.
Soon they will be directly bombing (again) the Syrian army, Iran's contingent and Hezbollah in Syria. Putin was too fearful to take control of Syria's skys with a no fly zone when he started bombing. That was the tell. It showed his lack of fortitude and commitment to the fight and showed his fear of NATO (again).
The Germans have a very long lasting relationship with the Turks.Very suspiciously
the Germans removed a NATO patriot missle battery from Turkish soil not long ago.
This has not been commented on much by anyone but is IMHO very significant,getting their
troops out of the conflict zone before the SHTF.I don't claim to be an authority on the ethnic
groups in the area,but any objective person can see that the migrant crisis cannot be solved,
and the people expatriated unless there is peace in their homeland.
The Russians in my view have been very patient with a several decade long list of provocations.
Georgia conflict,Beslan school massacre,Ukraine,Syria is only a partial list.The western media
are extremely well censored when any event occurrs which might spotlight positive,honorable
behaviour by the Russians.This is in dramatic opposition to the readiness to award the VICTIM
status to small nations which habitually terrorize their own citizens,and continue to occupy
conquered land of their neighbors.
I urge Putin to now release all the dirt he has on the western inspired crisis over the last four decades.
This data should put pressure on the European leaders,and could accelerate change,which is mankinds
only hope.
Erdogan shows exceptionally strong promise to be the recipient of this year's Saakashvili Prize.
It shouldn't be too much trouble lining him up a TA position in either Missouri or South Dakota. If anyone knows of any university willing to give him such a position, that would certainly be helpful. Those working under Mr. Erdogan would be required to sign a standard waiver of sexual harassment rights.
Afterwards, Erdogan will be rotated to Ukraine where he will be given a Ukrainian passport and governmental position where he will work tirelessly on the issues of human rights and official corruption.
BOHICA!
The guy with the dirty boots sitting on the edge of the F-16 cockpit is not the pilot. He is a groundcrew member called Vuqar Abidov
https://twitter.com/agitpapa/status/669549179153350656
The image of the pilot yb uner is a stock photograph from 2012 (generic turkish pilot image)