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Who Said It? "A Short-Term Border Violation Can Never Be A Pretext For An Attack"
Turkey has a right to defend itself and its airspace, President Obama said on Tuesday after Ankara’s F-16s shot down a Russian Su-24 which Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan claims ventured into Turkish airspace for a grand total of 17 seconds.
Similarly, Erdogan said on Wednesday that Turkey was simply acting to defend its security.
Of course you can take everything Erdogan says with a grain of salt because if we’re being honest, he’s an autocrat and largely thanks to his government, Turkey is a tyrannical frontier market masquerading as a largely developed democracy.
When it comes to NATO and the West you can always find a contradiction or two (or five) when it comes to foreign policy rhetoric which is why we weren’t at all surprised (although we were amused) with what we found when we decided to take a look back at what Erdogan said in 2012 after Assad’s air force shot down a Turkish F-4 phantom jet when it crossed into Syrian airspace.
Here's a map showing the flight path of the F-4 and where it disappeared (via BBC):
And now, prepare yourself for some of the most epic hypocrisy ever to spew from the mouths of NATO and its allies. From BBC ca. 2012:
Syria insists the F-4 Phantom jet was shot down inside Syrian airspace. The plane crashed into the eastern Mediterranean and its two pilots are missing.
Mr Erdogan spoke of Turkey's "rage" at the decision to shoot down the F-4 Phantom on 22 June and described Syria as a "clear and present threat". "A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he said.
Well, apparently it can, because that's exactly what Turkey did on Tuesday - use a 17 second incursion as an excuse to shoot down a Russian warplane.
But it doesn't stop there:
In a statement, NATO's 28 members said the shooting down of the plane was "unacceptable" and they stood together with Turkey "in the spirit of strong solidarity".
Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said: "It is another example of the Syrian authorities' disregard for international norms."
It's funny - NATO didn't say Turkey had "disregarded international norms" on Tuesday.
And finally:
Turkey has also accused its neighbour of firing on a search and rescue plane looking for the F-4 Phantom jet, although it was not brought down.
Oh, you mean kind of like the Turkish-supported and US-armed FSA First Coastal Division did yesterday when they used an American-made TOW to destroy a Russian search and rescue helicopter killing one Russian Marine in the process?
Enough said.
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in retailiation for this I will eat turkey Tomorrow
Happy Thanksgiggling to ya! ;-)
Looney
And people in power expect anyone to believe what comes out of their mouths... lol
All they need is enough people to believe, or be dependent on them so they choose to pretend to believe. The percentage of people that have a clue is in the single digits. I know, I've talked to scores of them.
I'm done with them; Let 'em burn.
The partisan shit is incredible. Blue team Obama retards are now war-hawks, and many of the Red team dopes now support Putin.
Never trust anybody that votes because you never what other retarded shit they might do.
At least they didn't shoot the Turkish pilot then...
An F-4 Phantom? Were there no F-104's to scramble that day? What did they shoot it down with, a blunderbuss?
The Sake’s Community Announcement on the Essential Saker Book and the Call for Networking Helphttp://thesaker.is/the-sakes-community-announcement-on-the-essential-sak...
I really used to love The Saker. But lately, John Rambo seems to be sourcing a lot of his sitereps to obviously biased websites.
If he was presenting them as "haha, look at these idiots" it would be different. They are comming across as fact.
Totally detracting from the point of The Saker. To get out the truth, that MSM will not print.
meanwhile, secret ISIS bomb-making lair littered with US weapons
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/622070/underground-ISIS-lair-US-made...
Just in 2014 Turkey violated Greek airspace 2244 times. That's on average 40 times per day.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/24/turkey-violated-greek-airspace-2244-times-last-year-fires-at-russia-for-doing-it-once/
Filthy hypocrites!
But, we are all infidels to Erdogan. Less than dogs. Anything goes. No ethical obligation.
Fogh Rasmussen another psychopath that should be in the dock with Blair, Bush and the rest of the gang.
NATO = North Atlantic Terrorist Organization.
I wish I could get a copy of this band's album.
https://myspace.com/philiacband/music/albums
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Turkey just put herself on a straight path towards a world of hurt.
And damn that's gonna hurt bigtime:
http://goo.gl/wbvm16
WARNING:
NEVER click on Anonymous Loser's porn links.
Heads up for tyler, the "abuse" email doesn't work.
Chunga, I have had issues as of late too. Some floating ad about Secure Count and some difficulty logging in. Patience my friend.
Now moving along... Who said this? "It Doesn't Really Matter"...
Hiilary has a very big problem... I want all women voters to take NOTE.
Followers Of A Mysterious Turkish Islamic Cleric Have Donated Heavily To Hillary’s Campaign And Family Charity
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/22/followers-of-a-mysterious-turkish-isla...
The largest donation from a leader of the Gulen movement, which is operated from Pennsylvania’s Pocono Mountains by a moderate Muslim cleric named Fethullah Gulen, came from Recep Ozkan. (RELATED: Here’s A Map Of Radical Mosques In The U.S. [Interactive])
A former president of the Gulen-linked Turkish Cultural Center, Ozkan gave between $500,001 and $1,000,000 to the Clinton Foundation in recent months, the charity’s website shows. He also served as a national finance co-chair last year for a pro-Clinton political action committee called Ready PAC.
According to Portland State University political science professor Birol Yesilada, who has studied the Gulen movement for more than 25 years, Ozkan is the New York liaison for the 74-year-old Gulen, who has lived in the Poconos since 1999 when he went into exile after he was accused of attempting to undermine Turkey’s secular regime in order to institute an Islamic state.
Hill'rey is a filthy cow that belongs in prison. She has literally been involved in non-stop scandals for over 40 years.
It takes a hell of a nerve for Turkey to say anything about border violations since they've been flying into Syria uninvited and dropping bombs as part of this "coalition" of border violaters. It's absurd.
gulen in not a lightweight player.
gulen is deeper part of the deep state.
has done an amazing job of staying out of the limelight for decades.
That guy get s me everytime...
If he's making money off clicks then hats off....looking forward to next zh article Re trannys.
Especially at work. Reading ZH now becoming a hazard to your ability to make aliving because of this asshole. Come on man.
Thanks. I was closing out tabs, and had a porn window open, and could not figure out how it got there. I guess it pays well. Maybe its how the philiacband band makes money?
for some reason my computer blocks them. is it bad quality pron?
I don't get it man. Always the same link. Why are you into some random dudes balls -- unless they are YOUR balls.
Just lazy. :)))
You should try something that isn't essentially the glorification of another man's genitalia.
Oh, I didn't click on it but if your latter scenario is correct I can only assume it's electron microscope filmography.
That's anal magic, isn't it?
we hate you for your freedom - what a joke
We now know without any doubt who that is.
Who said that that the anti-christ will come from Turkey. Is it this guy?
Rescued pilot is confident they never entered Turkish airspace, first interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmL_5V9TSE
It has been mentioned here by one or two others. Wish they would start beating that issue in to the ground.
Lets talk about the border. There are 2 arguments here, and according to each party, and they are both correct.
I want to see the Turkish version of the map, vs. the Syrian & Russian versions of the same map, complete with GPS coordinates.
Exactly WHICH border is being discussed here? I wanna see the fucking line, inch by inch, WITH COORDS!!!
See, this is more of the same fuckery! Confuse people with bogus arguments without addressing the actual issue.
The only thing I see western media willing to question is "Does this make Putin look bad?"
ANGST!
Unless I am misunderstand something, back in the 70's Syria shot down a Turkish plane, and as a result, just decided to take 5 miles of Syrian terriroty as its own.
Interesting note,
and also,
Basically, they use the term terrorist when it suits them.
Ok, who has links to Turkey claiming 5 miles of Syrian territory as a buffer zone?
My searches are buried with the latest happenings.
The US leeches are clamoring for a no-fly-zone as well, but just to run cover for the desert rats.
Here you go.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-violated-turkish-airspace-because-tu...
Touchdown, hole-in-one, three-pointer, hat-trick, Gooooallll!!!
Thx soo much for that.
Finally, the issue. I would love to see these media ass-hats have a meltdown over this. Throw this up into their face and watch them slip into a seizure where the only word they can say through clenched teeth while choking on their own tongue is "Butcher!!".
Turkey unilaterally moved its border? Jesus fuking Christ! This is what it was like before WWI. These crazies want a major war. All we can do is helplessly watch.
Cartography is an esoteric art, and a strategic tool of war planners. My first experience with international law involved a boundary dispute (and two different maps) which was eventually resolved... with the ironic help of a map stolen from the other party.
The "inch by inch" aspect is also critical Thailand and Cambodia and have been laying land mines and shooting at each other while fighting over literal inches, trees and rocks around Preah Vihar temple for over 50 years.
All Western world leaders, along with Erdogan, seem to have gone completely, moon barking mad.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/08/24/erdogan-s-dirty-dangerous-isis-games/
Former NATO Secretary General Rasmussen is a Squid employee. War means big payday for the Squid !
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-09/goldman-hires-former-head-nato
The nuclear bombs will be dropping soon - make sure you have lots of whiskey, oxy, and weed.
(it's about all you can do when it comes to that)
I really wish someday Tyler would draw attention to what i feel and many is a game changer regarding what is going on. Millenium Report did a great bit on Francis Connely "JFK to 9-11 Everything is a Rich Man's Trick" Fellow ZH ers. If you havent taken the time trust me. , this will be some of the best time you will ever spend in regards even what we are seeing this very hour but the coverage of the past actually answers what is going on in the present. . Hitler=ISIS .. same thing.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/11/cia-company-the-real-plotters-beh...
"JFK to 9-11 Everything is a Rich Man's Trick"
Watched the first few minutes of it. It absurdly claimed 8 shooters in Dealey Plaza.
One man with a gun shot Lincoln. One man with a gun shot Garfield. One man with a gun shot McKinley. One man with a gun shot Teddy Roosevelt. One man with a gun shot at Franklin Roosevelt. One man with a gun shot Reagan. One woman with a gun shot at Ford.
The evidence squarely pointed at Oswald, as to JFK.
Actually, both Lincoln and Kennedy were shot by their batshit wives.
Possibly using the same derringer.
Not the same bullets tho.
The fire ball that came out the right side of kennedy's head was a hot shot of burning metal.
The best snuff film evar!
Of course jacky was jewish and involved in the jesuits.
But no one ever talks about that for some, strange reason....
The limo got shot up. There were more than 3 bullet holes. Oswald "only" shot 3 rounds, so therefore someone else had to have shot the other rounds.
Looks like USSA is pretty much the poster child. And they just keep getting better and better and better.
http://listverse.com/2013/10/20/10-breath-taking-examples-of-government-...
What happens when Israel, whose jets routinely violate Lebanese and Syrian airspace on its way to bomb anyone fighting their proxy, ISIS...:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
Gets shot down by Syria or by Russian forces there at the invitation of Syria's legal government? Intolerable 'aggression' then, right?
What if a Russian soldier had done this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
Probably emptying a clip into a little girl would be deemed something other than self defense, right?
Hypocrisy is easy when you control the media's narrative.
God's chosen murderers.
Johnny, thx for the Clean Break - PNAC connection!!
All leaders eventually look like two-faced, double-talking, double-dealing, backstabbing pricks when their marching orders come down from PNAC country. All who do not do what they are told become the enemy. The wuss factor in today's pols in the West cannot be ignored. Obama, Hollande, Cameron, Merkel, now Trudeau, that guy in Australia - all leaders who look like they were chosen by a bunch of SJW fags and feminist twats.
Don't run afoul of the architects of Zion - they'll sic on you the US military, terrorists, a sycophantic media bullhorn, anything to remove any obstacles to their goals.
Rescued Co-Pilot was the #1 navigtor of Russia last year from their Topgun school.
I will believe him over shit face Recep any day of the week.
Stop violating peoples air space and you won't get your jet shot down. Stop bombing Turkey's allies and you won't get your jet shot down. Go back to Russia where you belong and you won't get your jet shot down. Pretty simple. FYI too, sometimes people shoot back.
Who's airspace I might ask? And what about that shooting back thingy?
Russia is very "christian" now and wants to protect the skygodland of the ME.
This is about winning the hearts and minds of the masses of opiated religious masses to fight one last war over who has the best skygod.
I vote for the one whose heaven has a stripper factory and beer volcano. Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Old boy, I much prefer bubbly wines and natural titties.
Can't stand the estrogen goo that beer is.
And fake tits only look good under clothing.
They pull you in and then make you sick.
But lets face it.
How many strippers have real boobs?
Many strippers have real ones...but it is true that too many have chosen the "upgrade" (which it is not)
LetsGetRetarded: Stop putting your head up your ass and you won't get brain damage.
Did you maybe lick the glue from your peel and stick HILLARY for PRESIDENT sticker?
It's mechanical thinking like that why I stopped watching and reading MSM news a long time ago.
When two nations are supposedly on friendly terms, one would not expected to be treated like a belligerent. And I do remind you Russia was formally asked to defend Syrian territory. If Turkey's allies are operating in Syria, then they are Syria's enemies.
If Turkey had made a mistake, they would have apologized. That they their response was about what this magpie said, could be be taken as an act of war, if the Russians so chose. I would not be surprised to see them attack Syria's enemies camped in Turkey.
This is what happens when a black person is elected president.
The foreign policy is been run like a waffle house in Trenton New Jersey.
"elected"? Really...
Unless you can tell me you've been to one in Trenton, NJ, I'm not really sure you would find a Waffle House in Trenton, NJ. Maryland perhaps, but not NJ. Waffle House is a Southern phenomenom.
Thank you Zero Hedge
for doing the research.
Since the social pyramid systems are based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS, it is necessarily the case that civilization is controlled by the best available professional hypocrites. Of course, as those increasingly psychotic psychopaths head towards starting World War III, one must expect:
Well "Syria" is a 1900's creation by 'royal' jewish european monarchs who propped up their blood bathists and other subdry's to rule newly established nations that destroyed thousands of years of history.
Turkey is owned by them and always has been figting whitey in not so white anymore europe over some non european sky god.
Russia, also owned by the BIS and other sundry organizations is the 'white' knight and the zato nations are "dark" knights in this theatre, this play, this sham.
What the planet is going through is a reverse darwinism, in order to create beings that are easy to control and easier more to kill.
someone wants to spark WWIII.
will he get it?
If Lavrov was right and this really was provocation, which can be proved, then it was an act of war and WWIII is on. Buh-bye Europe.
But if there is enough doubt to cloud the picture at all, even by a small percent, then Russia does not have to declare a shooting war. But Putin can cut off trade and recall his ambassador from Turkey for a lengthy "consultation" and declare the Turkish ambassador persona non grata. He doesn't have to shoot anything to insist on a new ambassador from Ankara.
I wonder what Erdogan and Obama really said at the recent G20 meeting. Already news articles say they planned this episode when they got together then.
Pot, meet kettle.
A degree in hypocrisy is a requirement to join today's western diplomatic corps.
OJT is also acceptable.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
I wish Obama was as vigilant about protecting our borders as he is supportive of Turkey protecting theirs. 17 seconds after you illegally cross our borders we shoot you. Sounds about right.
If you can't beat'm, join'm. Turkey = monkey see, monkey do after 2012.
If we're talking about violating borders, it should be noted that Turkey still has no problem with occupying Cyprus after invading in 1974.
The predators-that-be know the true facts. Which facts? That "law", "state", "nation", "government" and other terms are pure fiction. And in this case, so is "border".