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Why We’re Sliding Towards World War
Paul Craig Roberts – former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, former editor of the Wall Street Journal, listed by Who’s Who in America as one of the 1,000 most influential political thinkers in the world, PhD economist – wrote an article about the build up of hostilities between the U.S. and Russia titled, simply: “War Is Coming”.
Similarly, Ronald Reagan’s head of the Office of Management and Budget – David Stockman – is posting pieces warning of the dispute between the U.S. and Russia leading to World War 3.
Trend forecaster Gerald Celente – who has been making some accurate financial and geopolitical predictions for decades – says WW3 will start soon.
Investment fund manager and adviser Martin Armstrong has charted the “cycles of war” back to 600 BC … and says that we’ll have major wars between now and 2020. He has written pieces recently entitled, “Why We will Go to War with Russia“, and another one saying, “Prepare for World War III“.
Investment adviser Larry Edelson – who has long studied the “cycles of war” – recently wrote:
This year … we will also be hit by another ramping up of the related war cycles.
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All part and parcel of the rising war cycles that I’ve been warning you about, conditions that will not abate until at least the year 2020.
Former Goldman Sachs technical analyst Charles Nenner – who has made some big accurate calls, and counts major hedge funds, banks, brokerage houses, and high net worth individuals as clients – says there will be “a major war”, which will drive the Dow to 5,000.
Veteran investor adviser James Dines forecast a war as epochal as World Wars I and II, starting in the Middle East.
What’s causing the slide towards war? We discuss several causes below.
Debt, Economic Collapse and Distraction
Martin Armstrong – who studies cycles, and managed multi-billion dollar sovereign investment funds – argues that war plans against Syria are really about debt and spending:
The Syrian mess seems to have people lining up on Capital Hill when sources there say the phone calls coming in are overwhelmingly against any action. The politicians are ignoring the people entirely. This suggests there is indeed a secret agenda to achieve a goal outside the discussion box. That is most like the debt problem and a war is necessary to relief the pressure to curtail spending.
Armstrong says the same thing caused Turkey to shoot down a Russian fighter jet over Syria:
This mess lies squarely in the hands of the Obama Administration and then to have the audacity to pretend Turkey had a right to defend its airspace when not being attacked is just too much. These people NEED war to distract everyone from the Sovereign Debt Crisis that is causing the collapse of governments for a system of borrowing year after year with ABSOLUTELY no intention of ever paying any debt off.
The same logic applies to Europe and other countries …
Armstrong writes:
Our greatest problem is the bureaucracy wants a war. This will distract everyone from the NSA and justify what they have been doing. They need a distraction for the economic decline that is coming.
Billionaire hedge fund manager Kyle Bass notes:
Trillions of dollars of debts will be restructured and millions of financially prudent savers will lose large percentages of their real purchasing power at exactly the wrong time in their lives. Again, the world will not end, but the social fabric of the profligate nations will be stretched and in some cases torn. Sadly, looking back through economic history, all too often war is the manifestation of simple economic entropy played to its logical conclusion. We believe that war is an inevitable consequence of the current global economic situation.
Billionaire investor Jim Rogers notes:
A continuation of bailouts in Europe could ultimately spark another world war, says international investor Jim Rogers.
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“Add debt, the situation gets worse, and eventually it just collapses. Then everybody is looking for scapegoats. Politicians blame foreigners, and we’re in World War II or World War whatever.”
Economist and investment manager Marc Faber says that the American government will start new wars in response to the economic crisis:
A Handful of People Make a Killing Off War
War is very good for a handful of defense contractors and banksters who make huge sums from backing unnecessary war.
America is now officially an oligarchy. And a high-level Bush administration official – Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – says that the oligarchy controls American war-making decisions.
So the people who stand to make a killing from wars push the government into fighting them.
Voodoo Economics
Many influential economists and talking heads hold the discredited belief that war is good for the economy.
Therefore, many are overtly or more subtly pushing for war under the mistaken view that it will help the economy.
Challengers Give Declining Empires “Itchy Fingers”
Historians say that declining empires tend to attack their rising rivals … so the risk of world war is rising because the U.S. feels threatened by the rising empire of China.
The U.S. government considers economic rivalry to be a basis for war. Therefore, the U.S. is systematically using the military to contain China’s growing economic influence.
Competition for Resources Is Heating Up
In addition, it is well-established that competition for scarce resources often leads to war. For example, Oxford University’s Quarterly Journal of Economics notes:
In his classic, A Study of War, Wright (1942) devotes a chapter to the relationship between war and resources. Another classic reference, Statistics of Deadly Quarrels by Richardson (1960),extensively discusses economic causes of war, including the control of “sources of essential commodities.”A large literature pioneered by Homer-Dixon (1991, 1999) argues that scarcity of various environmental resources is a major cause of conflict and resource wars (see Toset, Gleditsch, and Hegre 2000, for empirical evidence).
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In the War of the Pacific (1879–1884), Chile fought against a defensive alliance of Bolivia and Peru for the control of guano [i.e. bird poop] mineral deposits. The war was precipitated by the rise in the value of the deposits due to their extensive use in agriculture.
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Westing (1986) argues that many of the wars in the twentieth century had an important resource dimension. As examples he cites the Algerian War of Independence (1954–1962), the Six Day War (1967), and the Chaco War (1932–1935). More recently, Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 was a result of the dispute over the Rumaila oil field. In Resource Wars (2001), Klare argues that following the end of the Cold War, control of valuable natural resources has become increasingly important, and these resources will become a primary motivation for wars in the future.
Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan (and many world leaders) admitted that the Iraq war was really about oil, and former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. And see this and this. Libya, Syria, Iran and Russia are all oil-producing countries as well …
Indeed, we’ve extensively documented that the wars in the Middle East and North Africa are largely about oil and gas. The wars in Syria and Iraq are about pipelines. The war in Gaza may be no exception. And see this. And Ukraine may largely be about gas as well.
And James Quinn and Charles Hugh Smith say we’re running out of all sorts of resources … which will lead to war.
Central Banking and Currency Wars
We’re in the middle of a global currency war – i.e. a situation where nations all compete to devalue their currencies the most in order to boost exports. Brazilian president Rousseff said in 2010:
The last time there was a series of competitive devaluations … it ended in world war two.
Jim Rickards agrees:
Currency wars lead to trade wars, which often lead to hot wars. In 2009, Rickards participated in the Pentagon’s first-ever “financial” war games. While expressing confidence in America’s ability to defeat any other nation-state in battle, Rickards says the U.S. could get dragged into “asymmetric warfare,” if currency wars lead to rising inflation and global economic uncertainty.
As does billionaire investor Jim Rogers:
Trade wars always lead to wars.
Given that China, Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa have joined together to create a $100 billion bank based in China, and that more and more trades are being settled in Yuan or Rubles – instead of dollars – the currency war is quickly heating up.
Indeed, many of America’s closest allies are joining China’s effort … which is challenging America and the Dollar’s hegemony.
Multi-billionaire investor Hugo Salinas Price says:
What happened to [Libya’s] Mr. Gaddafi, many speculate the real reason he was ousted was that he was planning an all-African currency for conducting trade. The same thing happened to him that happened to Saddam because the US doesn’t want any solid competing currency out there vs the dollar. You know Gaddafi was talking about a gold dinar.
Senior CNBC editor John Carney noted:
Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.
Robert Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal thinks the central banking initiative reveals that foreign powers may have a strong influence over the rebels.
This suggests we have a bit more than a ragtag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences. “I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising,” Wenzel writes.
Indeed, some say that recent wars have really been about bringing all countries into the fold of Western central banking.
Runaway Inequality
Paul Tudor Jones – founder of the Tudor Investment Corporation and the Tudor Group, which trade in the fixed-income, equity, currency and commodity markets – said recently:
This gap between the 1 percent and the rest of America, and between the US and the rest of the world, cannot and will not persist.
Historically, these kinds of gaps get closed in one of three ways: by revolution, higher taxes or wars.
And see this.
War Is Destroying Our National Security, Our Democracy and Our Economy
We spent trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yet we’re now less safe after 13 years of war.
Never-ending wars are also destroying our democratic republic. The Founding Fathers warned against standing armies, saying that they destroy freedom. (Update). Perversely, our government treats anti-war sentiment as terrorism.
The Founding Fathers – and the father of free market capitalism – also warned against financing wars with debt. But according to Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the U.S. debt for the Iraq war could be as high as $5 trillion dollars (or $6 trillion dollars according to a study by Brown University.)
Indeed, top economists say that war is destroying our economy.
But war is great for the bankers and the defense contractors. And – as discussed above – governments are desperate for war.
So it’s up to us – the people – to stop wider war.
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the Cold War never ended, it morphed into a battle of government against its own people. historically we ask the immigrants (Mexicans this time) to take up the cause. a number of them are already gang members, but they have good work ethics, and being in the military is mostly a lot of work. someone needs to ask them, are you ready to die fighting the Russians for citizenship, VA benefits, a house in the suburbs.
we can't have W3 without the Mexicans, green card no green card, you get a military ID card. if they don't show up there is no game, but I think they will, although there is a curious antipathy among Mexicans about gaining US citizenship. a lot of them just don't care, but this war will make them care. instilling patriotic values is what war does to you. there really aren't as many Mexicans as everyone thinks, there are three times as many people in the US as there are in Mexico.
its for sure the white kids, video game burger flipping skate boarding kids aren't going to fight and die. so we have to find someone who will.
It's a lot easier for Mexicans to shoot a bunch of Gringos than to get native white guys to shoot other native white guys. Then Obama has an unquestioning army to do his bidding. I dunno 'bout that...
We need World War Three to manifest in order to exterminate the US Administration, the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, and the DARPA mofos, with extreme prejudice like they were Colonel Curtz in Apocalypse Now.
PBR Streetgang, this is Almighty, over.
PBR Streetgang, this is Almighty, over.
some banking mafia crave this war because the thought of so many dead white people makes them shiver with anticipation.
George...
We are not sliding towards war...
We are running towards it. The world wants war... it lusts for war...
From the demonic thugs who rule the Western World and think they will become gods amidst the chaos, to the Imans who believe their awaited one is coming, to the Kabalist who sit in their enclaves plotting for the arrival of their king, to the disenfranchised who, without hope, just want to see the thing blow...
And in the midst of all of it, the poor people of the world just wanting to raise their kids. And by poor I do not mean lacking money, although that can be said for most, and for more all the while... they are poor in spirit and sick in their souls, and they want desperately to be led somewhere good, and they have the loons, goons, and mooncalf buffons to follow after.
The world craves war.
Twenty years ago, when I explained to my colleagues, that world war was coming in fifteen to twenty years they told me I was crazy... which fact I had actually never considered in dispute... War is unthinkable they said... to which I rejoined that war was always unthinkable until it became thinkable.
The world desires war, down the very core of its being... And war it shall have... War unlike any the world has seen. They will wade up to their eyeballs through the sick and the dying and the dead. And when the lust has again subsided... and it will... it always does... then we shall see...
We shall see if there is anything left with which to rebuild...
banking mafia projection - only the banking mafia crave this war
If you believe this you have not been paying attention.
Dear Lord,
As they like to say, sometimes "Things" can go on much longer than you think. The world, once an elephant, has now shrunk to the size of an elephants left nut. As depicted in MAD, the major conflagration is a knife fight in an elevator. Even the most dense and despicable can figure that out.The tension we feel comes from many sources. Primarily there's tension in the very fact of our unexplained existence. And from there you can vault into the myriad of possible sources when monkey vaults into space ship; that our modern world isn't filled with tension would be the surprise.
I guess it comes down to how long we as a species can ride the wave between our natural tendencies to go toe to toe when all else fails, or when the mood arrives, or when the leaders decide....vs a somewhat universal, and unifying realization that things are different this time. You don't just sweep up radiation with a broom.
It's seemed to me for years now that our only savior would be a prolonged outside threat, something to take our minds off ourselves, sort of speak. Maybe the planet will wake up one more morning to the arrival of that threat, and all's it will be is one big mirror.
true that...
"and they want desperately to be led somewhere good, and they have the loons, goons, and mooncalf buffons to follow after."
Excellent Lord....+1,000 for that quip alone.
Georgie.....
I try not to comment much as to your work, so not to look as a sycophantic whacko. However.... Excellent - as always - well done.
A really good post Lordflin, I myself, who lacks no food or shelter, longs for the end of this societal anxiety, I recognize that the ever building tension must explode in, as yet unseen, violence, and as I intuit you do, I doubt there will be anyway to carry on from there.
There are a few flaws in humans, they are unseen to most, because most, considering such pursuits unproductive, are not introspective, these flaws, no doubt, always existed in people, Modern life creates the conditions which expose them.
Take what we call greed greed is instinct gone awry, many creatures have the instinct to save for the future, Dogs, Squirrels, and Bees come to mind, surely Humans have acted upon this instinct since before they had speech, when we saved the products of the natural world there was a natural inhibitor, it was pointless to save more than you could use, it would spoil, and it was a lot of work to get it, with the invention of money and monetiziation this restraint vanished and as money doesn't spoil there is 'theoretically' no limit to the amount you can have, I say theroetically because Money only exists as an idea in human minds, but that is a lecture for another day.
TheThere is an other delusional persuit of people which often goes hand in hand with the persuit of wealth and that is the desire for importance; Shakespeare has us all as players on the stage, entering on the left exiting on the right, having 'wealth' lets you set your stage with 'props', Clothes , cars, airplanes, with these you can enjoy the envy of others who wish they were as important as you.
So that is all importance is, it lives in human delusion, the stage we play on is bounded by eternity and infinity, what is playing out in the Mideast now is just some poor players trying to be important and have revelence and they do have revelence to us because we are all on stage with them, props in their play so to speak, they can't help themselves, they can't see them selves, be like Jesus and ask God to forgive them for surely 'they know not what they do'.
The other
Wow... nice...
Which god promises victory to the neo-cons and their "exceptional" sheeple or the true believers? Which historical destiny promises a new Marxist paradise? Utopia is a fatal fantasy.
Nietzsche adapted: Both the presumed gods and presumed historical destinies were found dead. Their priests hid their bodies. Truth ends fantasies.
Trouble is, most humans prefer fantasies
War.
Just remember who failed you. Remember who funded, trained and supplies ISIS.
That will be all.
Albert Einstein
One of Einstein´s corniest quotes.
Hermann Goring 1945
Goering was, quite possibly, the most intelligent of Hitler's closest associates. He took over the WWI flying squadron that had been led by Baron von Richtofen (the Red Baron). He was a genuine war hero. His attraction to Hitler was a career opportunity...not all too ideologically driven. Over the years, he was a shell of himself, due to his morphine addiction (I don't recall right now whether it was a war injury, or a post-war injury that caused his dependence).
This could go on and on...I could write a book...anyway.
When arrested by the allies, Goering was 300 lbs.(though he was a short guy). Locked up, he no longer had access to morphine. He lost weight, and became what he once was. It was here that his intellect once again came to the forefront. Though the result of his trial at Nuremburg was pretty much a foregone conclusion, Goering regularly outwitted his prosecutors--he did not make it easy. The night before his execution, he cheated the hangman by killing himself with cyanide.
He was a great big fat pig, but had Hitler died in early 1939, Goering would not have done much of anything that Hitler eventually did.
comment of the year
World War III will be conventional for perhaps one week.
Get right with God if your a believer cause this is what we will all get!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMYYEsKvHvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGwSjT-vJo
Then Obozo, Victoria Nuland and all the asshole neocons will get what they
have worked so hard to achieve. Fuck them all!
artists predict it too
if this is the case, the 48 continental states will get hit and pretty hard. The primary targets NY, DC, Chicago, SF, LA (hollywood). Then Russian intel will find out where the presidential bunker is and where Gates and Buffet and all the other billionaires are hiding, and fire up the bunker busters. Then Russia will hunt down all the fed reserve bank locations and bankers, targeting Greenspan, Benanke and Yellen, then they will cut off the internet (aka the PDS - porn delivery system). I would move to south america - in fact, the US 'leaders' will probably leave the country and run the war from a remote location.
Then when the US military leaders, seeing an opportunity to take back the USA split from the 'fearless leaders' in hiding, pull off a coup, take control of the USA, and negotiate a peace settlement with Russia.
In the aftermath, congress is gone, wall street gone, internet gone, fed res system wiped out, and adios to the petro dolar, and zionism gets sent back to the dark ages. And if israel starts shooting, israel gets wiped out. Russia allies with China and Japan, and pretty much the entire pacific rim and a good sized swath of the ME. The US has the effeminate west, so they are useless. With Russia and China (lets throw in India) et al teaming up, the zionist West is totally out manned. If the US federal Zionist controlled mercenary forces 'lose' I would not say that America has lost. Should this happen, this might be the only way to eradicate the zionist infestation. It is a truly horrible thing it might have to come down to that, but the bottom line is America is not America any more. It is a jewish corporate entity, a jewish colony, where the jews just siphon off American blood and money to pursue their dirty agendas. This country can *never* be great again unless we wipe out the zionists and destroy the zionist agenda.
The question is, will they use nukes? If not, then we might have a clean fight. All I have to do is move to ___________ not likely near the action, and see who strikes first and hardest.
Might be getting close to the time to leave the country.
We will use nukes. The neocons will burn the world down before they lose control. We will lose 90 % of our population and the survivors will wade through a dark age of nuclear winter.
Not likely that there will be any survivors in the aftermath.
Nuclear Winter kills everything.
Maybe some will survive the temperatures.
But the phytoplankton and most plant life will be destroyed from lack of sunlight and shock..
There will be no photosynthesis thus there will be NO OXYGEN TO BREATHE.
That is the outcome of the Nuclear Winter. It will take hundreds of thousands if not tens of millions of years to restablish complex plant life....and life forms.
Damn. You are an optimist?
The way you describe it........molon labe baby. World would be a better place afterwards. I bags to be the one who hangs Soros.
The World will be a DEAD PLANET afterwards.
Global Thermonuclear Wars are neither winnable or survivable.
The problem is Nuclear Winter.
The Soviet Academy of Sciences independently studied Carl Sagan's assessment and confirmed his findings that the soot and ash...even if One Tenth of the Global Arsenal of Nuclear Weapons were detonated over fuel dense cities would diminsh the amount of sunlight substantially.
Global Temperatures would plummet as a result.
Tropical Plants in the Rain Forest will die off in unprecedented numbers.
But it is far worse. The phytoplankton in the World Oceans, pretty much immune to the effects of the drop in temperature, would still die off due to the lack of available light. This basic building block lifeform, along with the Rainforests, are the World's source of breathable Oxygen.
Even if some were to go into underground bunkers it does not matter as it will take Hundreds of Thousands of years, if not Tens of Millions, to have breathable air in the atmosphere again.
They will end up suffocating underground or upon the surface of a Planet which will appear very alien to them.
Now Sagan used Mariner 9 data from the Global Martian Dust Storm as Mariner 9 recorded and relayed back to Earth while in ORBIT. He modeled and extrapolated the data to see what would happen if that type of event were to occur here. The results were dismally fatal.
(Mariner 9 was the first Spacecraft ever to orbit another Planet. It arrives and cannot see a thing because of the dust. But the thermal instruments return a bounty of data of temperatures in the Martian Atmosphere during that event. The pictures of the surface after the storm abated were marvelous.)
Now I will write that some have argued against Sagan and his modeling. I will also agree that some have argued that Nuclear War is not just survivable but winnable.
If I am wrong then life will be dismal at best for any survivors. And if I am right...well...I will not be here to tell you that I told you so. Of course you will not be here either.
Care to experiment?
But the World will, most definitely, not be any better off. It will be void of life, human, or otherwise. It will be a dead rock with some Oceans and primitive lifeforms in the aftermath for Hundreds of Thousands of years at the very least.
Global Thermonuclear War is an Extinction Level Event.
Do you like my description better?
Earth, 100 million years from now: Life has persevered after the Greatest Dying of 100 million years ago. Sentient life now thrives both on the land, and in the sea, but tensions have never been greater. The land and the sea are at war. Cockroaches dominate the land, and jellyfish rule over the sea. In his address to the preeminent species on land, their leader, Johnnie Cockroach proclaims: "This is an outrage! Jellyfish taking all of our fish and snails!" The protoplasm who hopes to become ruler of the sea is in a tough bid for office, Jeb Jellyfish proclaims: "Like my brother before me, I will keep you safe!"
But Donald Squid wants to become a land dweller because that is where the Natural Resources are.
And he has forged an unlikely alliance with ravenous exploiters Charles and David Kockroach to do just that.
Dead men don't wear Plaid or rather Dead men don't tell no tales.
In the case of Turkey's War Crime in bringing down the Russian Jet and the subsequent contravention of the Geneva Convention by the TurkMan in firing at the parachutists who bailed out it is obvious that erDOGan also gave the order. No Prisoners.
Usually these terrorists will go to great lengths to Capture and Ransom or Behead their Enemy but in this instance it was not conducive to Turkey to have them alive.
Like the French/Belgian False Flags ALL CO-Conspirators Must DIE.
And Jesus said wars and rumors of wars. Wasn't on list of shot callers.
the wars thing was in revelations, it wasn't quoted as something Jesus said
Gospel according to Matthew, which see.
Chapter 24, Verse 6. King James Version.
Not a religious guy but the red letters seem to indicates Jesus doing the talking...
Why? Because George as I am fond of reminding you, progressives are in charge. NONE of this shit would be happening if consitutional conservative had been in charge the last 100+ years.
Income tax was a progressive creation. The Federal Reserve was a progressive creation. Moar and moar government is a progressive creation. Progressives are the face of death, not only for unborn babies and old people, but for all the EPA mileage mandated crush death on the hiways due to small cars and similar eco-murdering shit. Millions upon million die from a disease (malaria) that was wiped out by a safe pesticide called DDT, that eco-murdering progressives banned using false science(like globull warming). Bird egg good, people lives bad or some such shit. Oh and they are still proud of that even though a million die every year because of malaria.
Thousands of citizens die at the hands of criminals their own progressive governments are importing as fast as they can. The same progressive governments fight HARD to disarm law abiding citizens so they will be defenseless and killed easily.
And then of course, the progressive warmongers. Past progressive presidents and Congresses. Look what Hillary did while she was only secstate. Big progressive government worldwide has MURDERED far moar than all wars combined.
You don't find constitutional conservative screaming for intervention and war. Only progressives, under a variety of names, do that, . As many many people posting here are tainted progressive themselves but need to rail against the progressive stupid for cya purposes, their fav label is "neo-con". Ha yeah, neo-cons are just progressive flavor #2.
The progressive stupid is the face of death for millions.
Grimaldus
@Grimaldus
"You don't find constitutional conservatives screaming for intervention and war. Only progressives, under a variety of names, do that"
ok. you seem to equate warmongers with progressives. for the sake of argument... where are your non-warmongering constitutional conservatives in the US?
do they ask for less military spending? are they influential in any way? do they even understand the current foreign relations of the US?
trot them out, if you find them. you might even find non-warmongering constitutional conservatives in Europe to cheer them, and me with them
@Ghordius
That is a big problem as you note, almost complete and total absense of constitutional conservatives in any posisiton of power. Ron Paul was as close as it came.
I think progressive criminality is far moar rewarding than honorable law abiding limited government.
Yes they ask for less military spending, as I noted to GW, I think originally the US Navy is the only military branch that is supposed to be permanently operating, to provide protection against pirates for shipping. All the rest is supposed to stand down and disband after two years. Does that not sound wonderful?
I'm afraid the progressive criminal mafia grip on power here and in europe is extremely intrenched and has a propaganda machine second to none. Very difficult enviroment for honorable men to operate in without being persecuted.
Grimaldus
he's probably confusing Hillary with a 'progressive'
How are Cheney and the fake conservatives (i.e. they are really neoCons, who are NOT true conservatives) any different, sir?
The Secret Back Story to Russia and Ukraine that Americans Never Learned In School
They are big government progressives too George. No difference.
Thanks for the link, interesting read. I am not sure what to think about historical relations with Russia. I could certainly understand watching and worrying as Stalin murdered 50 million of his own people. Even so, that is their business. Certainly today we should be doing brisk business with Russia instead of all this progressive big government interventionist insanity. Same with Iran, the rest of the middle east and everywhere else. Let them invade and blow each other up all they want. We should just do business with the winners and losers if they like, f-em if they don't.
Intervention in other peoples affairs is the SOP of progressive criminals. Your constitutional conservative respects individual rights as well as sovereign nations rights. What they do is their business.
I think under the Constitution the Navy is the only thing that is supposed to exist permanently. To take care of pirates basically. Everything else is supposed to stand down after two years. Sounds like fabulous policy to me.
And that would be constitutional conservative policy.
Grimaldus
corruption knows no other philosophy
They're state action proggies as well. NeoCons in particular are barely papered over proggie refugees. I believe that was the point.
Thats the way I took it as well but right in the middle of Arab Spaaarrring! and President Fire-Starter no one wanted to listen to anyone saying..."Sooo, ummm, exactly why are we supplying an air force to Ansar al-Sharia?"
It was a giddy time back then, all full of Hope-n-Change orgasmic promise, one couldn't get a word in edge wise without being called a bigoted-Islamophobic-Neanderthal who couldn't see the intelligence...the..."nuance"...of ya know...bombing the shit out of brown people, that is to say, his pure genius.
Sigh.
Any chance of meaningful opposition has been getting derailed, marginalized, and methodically stamped-out the second they look to be a threat to the establishment as long as there's been an "establishment." There's a reason why your preferred candidates aren't getting elected. Nobody else's are either.
Because they all have been caught red handed and this is the only way out (they hope).
So it’s up to us – the people – to stop wider war.
There's really only one way to do this . . . starve the beast. That means all of you people in the 17-30 year old age bracket need to STOP signing up for the military and if there is a draft instituted (which there will be if there is an all out war similar to WWII) - refuse to participate. Will there be consequences? Of course, but look at what the alternative is . . . .
I would like to know how to stop the war mongers without becoming one myself or even worse?
Take care
The key driving force behind all this are the banking mafia. They are manipulating this directly and also accidentally (through causing economic problems). Avoid supporting one side or the other and focus exclusively on attacking the banking mafia.
...without becoming one myself or even worse
You answered your own question.
Do not participate.
Limit Financial Support of Governments who engage.
They can only tax currency in velocity. So stop spending as much as possible. Refuse to produce. Become a liability rather than an asset which they will exploit. Remove yourself from their economy.
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